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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The cruise teen cheerleader Anna Kaptner dead from a bar

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Speaker 2: hold asphyxiation after her stepbrother sixteen, now named a suspect.

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Speaker 2: We learned he misses, he skips his daily drug cocktail

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Speaker 2: of meds. Was he on some type of n agitated withdrawal?

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Speaker 2: And tonight we learn as punishment he's sent to relatives.

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Speaker 1: Why no charges?

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Speaker 2: And the death of a teen girl cheerleader found stuffed

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Speaker 2: under a twin bed on a cruise I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. That little girl stuffed under a cruise

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Speaker 2: ship bed, wrapped in a blanket mummy.

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Speaker 1: Style, life is stuffed over her. She quote thought.

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Speaker 3: For her life.

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Speaker 1: And this is one thing I don't get.

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Speaker 2: Why am I learning all of these facts from a

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Speaker 2: seemingly unrelated custody argument. The family dynamic lands this very

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Speaker 2: very blended family in court fighting over custody of the

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Speaker 2: younger children straight out to investigative journalist author of Down

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Speaker 2: the Hill, My Descent into the double murder of del

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Speaker 2: Fi Susan Hendrix. Why am I having to learn all

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Speaker 2: of this from a seemingly unrelated custody fight.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and the infighting. It's been going on a while,

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Speaker 4: and we're getting information from this through that, as you said,

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Speaker 4: and where is the outrage. I watched the entire hearing.

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Speaker 4: We're getting bits and pieces. The suspect's older brother, it

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Speaker 4: stood out to me that he said he was put

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Speaker 4: in a choke hold, So is that where I'm guessing

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Speaker 4: that the suspect learned to do that? But you're right, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: we are only hearing details through this somewhat unrelated hearing.

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Speaker 4: It's just very complicated, and I feel, you know what's

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Speaker 4: missing the outrage of this eighteen year old girl Anna.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody was sitting in court like they were all

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Speaker 2: on sedatives, talking about custody issues. When Anna, we believe

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Speaker 2: is either nude or partially nude, dead, wrapped mummy style

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Speaker 2: in a blanket and stuffed under a twin bed, and

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Speaker 2: we find out the parents haven't even seen her for

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Speaker 2: how many hours? To Sidney Summer's joining us in addition

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Speaker 2: to Susan Sidney Summer, investigative reporter for Crime Stories, Sidney,

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Speaker 2: how long was it the parents didn't see Anna on

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Speaker 2: the cruise and didn't check on her?

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Speaker 5: Sixteen hours that Anna was not checked on, seen a

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Speaker 5: lot before her body is found brutally stuffed under that bed,

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Speaker 5: hidden covered with these life jackets.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we're only getting dribbles and drabbles of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Facts that we're learning, including nearly.

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Speaker 2: A day passes without the parents checking on Anna, well

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Speaker 2: the whole time she's dead, her body cooling, decomposing, evidence

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Speaker 2: drifting away while they're what at the buffet and the bar.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but we will find out from all

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Speaker 2: of the video cameras. I mean, you know, Spencer Aaronfield,

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Speaker 2: you're the cruise lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I'll introduce you formuly in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But these cruise ships are they're like gambling in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're at NASA. Everywhere you go there's a

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Speaker 2: video camera. And I want to see that video. Who

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Speaker 2: went in and out of that cabin where Anna was

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Speaker 2: found dead? But I want to know what were the

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Speaker 2: parents doing? The bio dad and the stepmom. What were

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Speaker 2: they doing for nearly a day without checking on Anna?

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Speaker 1: What were they the bar, the buffet?

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Speaker 2: Round two?

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Speaker 6: Most likely Nancy, they were probably at the casino or

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Speaker 6: in the spa or enjoying themselves. Remember this young lady

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Speaker 6: was my.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you say casino so people can

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Speaker 2: drink like fish and then bailly up to lose all

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Speaker 2: their money at a casino?

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Speaker 1: Casino?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean these are like floating Las Vegas resorts.

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Speaker 6: So there are casinos, there are spas, there are numbers

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Speaker 6: of pools, there are shops, there are tons of restaurants

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Speaker 6: and most importantly, tons of bars. But this was an

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Speaker 6: eighteen year old, so probably the level of supervision was

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Speaker 6: not as intense as it would have been if she

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Speaker 6: had been fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Or fourteen or younger than that. Put hell up here.

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 2: I believe at one juncture you told me you had children,

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Speaker 2: did you not?

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Speaker 7: I do have kids.

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Speaker 6: There are adult children.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you exactly where my eighteen year old

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Speaker 2: twins are right now. I can tell you how they feel.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a temperature. Lucy actually has a mild

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Speaker 2: temperature right now in a little cough. I know exactly

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Speaker 2: where they are. I don't know what you're even talking about.

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Speaker 2: You've got a young girl on the high seas. You

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Speaker 2: know how fast she could be sold into sex slavery.

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Speaker 2: She's just what those people want her. Oh no, no, no, no, eighteen,

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Speaker 2: not supervised. You know what I'm calling defects on you

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Speaker 2: tonight as soon as they get off the air Susan Hendricks.

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Speaker 2: Nearly a day passes. They don't know where she is.

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Speaker 2: And in the midst of all this, where are they?

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Speaker 2: I asked Aaronfield, and he brought up the specter. I

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Speaker 2: felt I'd seen a monster of a casino. So they

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Speaker 2: can drink like fish, eat at buffets all day long

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Speaker 2: and then gamble. Do we have any idea where they

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Speaker 2: were while Anna was stuffed dead under that twin bed?

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Speaker 4: Well we heard this also at the emergency custody hearing,

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Speaker 4: and a stepmom Chantale said that she went in her

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Speaker 4: room at seven pm, that she was tired, she was

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Speaker 4: there for the night, went to sleep, But again we

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Speaker 4: don't know what she was doing all day. She asked

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Speaker 4: about gambling. She said that Anna was eighteen, so she

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Speaker 4: assumed she was in the casino. But again no supervision.

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Speaker 4: And guess what Nancy? She was asked during this Chantelle

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Speaker 4: on the stand, is it true that they stayed across

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Speaker 4: the hall, all of them together, her stepbrother, her biological

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Speaker 4: brother and her.

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Speaker 1: And she said yes. It was recommended by the travel agent.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard she tried to blame

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Speaker 2: the travel agency.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I got to go to John Bueller.

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Speaker 2: Guys, if you don't know the name John Buehler, google it.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I found out that Lacy Peterson had

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Speaker 2: disappeared on Christmas Eve while her husband, Scott Peterson was fishing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: John Buehler, one of the very first detectives on that case,

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Speaker 2: worked the case like a dog.

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Speaker 1: They're at Modesto PD.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one year's Robbery Homicide John who gets stolen into

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Speaker 2: sex slavery on cruises and trips abroad. Hey, forget it

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Speaker 2: at the Atlanta Airport beautiful young teen girls agree?

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Speaker 1: Disagree, Dealer, Oh.

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Speaker 7: Totally agree.

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Speaker 8: This is the target rich environment when it comes to

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Speaker 8: the people that are trading in that, and they lure

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Speaker 8: them with a variety of different promises and things like

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Speaker 8: that that they find hard to resist, and then all

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Speaker 8: of a sudden it's too late.

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Speaker 7: They're trapped and they can't get get away from it.

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Speaker 2: Bueler, you know, I've had so many sex trafficking cases,

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Speaker 2: but one that really shocked me. A young teen girl

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Speaker 2: something bond with his daughter. He takes her to a

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Speaker 2: MAV's game control room. Wasn't it a Mavericks game? They

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Speaker 2: go to a professional game. He goes to the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: she goes to concessions. She's lured away. You know how

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Speaker 2: they found her. A detective like you, by the way,

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Speaker 2: is trolling online.

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Speaker 1: He sees her. She's been missing for days. They think

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Speaker 1: she's dead.

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Speaker 2: She pops up on an internet site in Racie Laningerie,

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Speaker 2: some hooker site. This little teen girl sex trafficked. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many clients she had before she was saved.

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Speaker 2: So to have your daughter or your son, but your

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Speaker 2: daughter in the casino where grown men are in.

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Speaker 1: There drinking as much as they can and.

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Speaker 2: Gambling, and then they see Anna Kettner, that is a

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Speaker 2: recipe for disaster.

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Speaker 8: Well just because she's a of course, isn't going to

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Speaker 8: take her out of the realm of these guys. Any

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Speaker 8: and inhibitions are low, the drinking is high.

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Speaker 7: She's ripe to be attacked.

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Speaker 8: But of course it goes right back to the main suspect,

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Speaker 8: the stepbrother on this.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're right, she was not sex trafficked.

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Speaker 2: We know that, But what I'm saying is there's no supervision. Okay,

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Speaker 2: how are we finding out all of this information?

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Speaker 9: Listen a family court hearing regarding Thomas Hudson's emergency petition

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Speaker 9: for custody of the nine year old daughter he shares

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Speaker 9: with Sean Tell Hudson reveals new details and Anna Kuepner's murderer.

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Speaker 9: Hudson tells the court he's concerned for Brooks safety under

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Speaker 9: Chantell Hudson and Christopher Keepner's care due to their failure

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Speaker 9: to supervise their children during the cruise. Thomas didn't want

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Speaker 9: the children to take Shan Tell Hudson testifies her sixteen

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Speaker 9: psychiatric observation.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, let me understand something minute.

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Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks, the judge in this hearing, confirmed the teen

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Speaker 2: step brother is the main suspect in Anna's choke hold asphyxiation.

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Speaker 1: That's the murder. There's no two ways around it.

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Speaker 2: Choke cold asphyxiation, her neck covered in bruises, and his

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Speaker 2: punishment is how he has to go with with relatives.

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Speaker 1: That's the punishment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even Chantelle, and the suspect's mom said that when

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Speaker 4: she was on the studie, Sean, why.

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to her as Chantelle? You're on a

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Speaker 1: first name basis.

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Speaker 4: No, it's confusing to any other Chantelle stepmother correct. Correct,

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Speaker 4: And the mother of the suspect, she was on the

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Speaker 4: in and out. It's like they're all in agreement that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's the main suspect. Why isn't he arrested. He's staying

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Speaker 4: with her relatives, just staying there, chatting on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, still, I don't know how to say this without

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Speaker 2: my head exploding. But Karen Stark, I'm gonna use some

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Speaker 2: Karen Stark psycho talk.

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Speaker 1: That's sending the wrong message.

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Speaker 2: He's a suspect and a brutal murder of a little

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Speaker 2: teen cheerleader who's stuffed under the twin bed. Nobody knows

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Speaker 2: he's missing for nearly a day. Nobody checks on her.

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Speaker 1: There she is.

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Speaker 9: He is a.

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Speaker 2: Suspect, and he is quote sent to live with relatives.

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Speaker 2: That's his punishment.

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Speaker 1: I might as well just sit him in the corner.

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Speaker 10: Well as you could tell Nancy something that is really

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Speaker 10: wrong here, and that's to say it mithly with the parents.

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Speaker 10: They didn't supervise enough, and what is he doing at

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Speaker 10: a relatives. I'm particularly concerned because there were two nights

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Speaker 10: where he did not take his insomnia medicine, which is

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Speaker 10: cleonapin and clonipin. Is something especially for a teenager who

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Speaker 10: has ADHD, which allegedly he has. It's not a good

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Speaker 10: thing to start the client and that there's a rebound effect.

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Speaker 10: He could have all of a sudden be out of control,

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Speaker 10: not make wise decisions, be impulsive. So even there, something

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Speaker 10: was very, very wrong with this family supervising this boy,

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Speaker 10: or all of them.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know.

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Speaker 2: You said that they didn't supervise enough. They didn't supervise

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Speaker 2: at all. I know for nearly a day they didn't

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Speaker 2: supervise Anna because they didn't know she was dead, her

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Speaker 2: body stuffed under a twin bed. Let's jump to the

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Speaker 2: fact that this teen step brother suspect skipped his daily

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Speaker 11: Hudson admits my son missed two dozes of his night

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Speaker 11: prescription for insomnia clonidine. Sean Tell Hudson testify she carried

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Speaker 2: He is a renowned chief medical examiner in Terrance County.

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Speaker 2: That's fort Worth, never a lack of business, as I

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Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine.

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Speaker 2: At TCU, and he is the star of a hit

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Speaker 1: Please I need a new one.

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Speaker 2: By the way, feed my addiction to may him in

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Speaker 2: the Morgue, Doctor Kendl Crowns.

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Speaker 1: I have cross examined many.

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Speaker 13: Just didn't feel safe around him. She's scared to tell

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Speaker 15: Chris doesn't realize it's his fault. This whole thing is

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Speaker 2: Christopher from Inside Edition at Just Mom nineteen eighty four

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Speaker 2: on TikTok, she's dead, stuffed under a cruise ship bed

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Speaker 3: There are so many confusing details.

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Speaker 2: lawyer firm. Spencer, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: a very serious issue. It came up during the hearing.

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Speaker 2: The parents, the stepmother, and biodad vehemently deny it. But

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Speaker 6: Ships absolutely, Nancy. There's a thousand and one ways that

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Speaker 6: They put it in mouthwash, they put it in feminine

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Speaker 1: Crime stories.

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Speaker 2: With Nancy, Grace, Susan Hendrix, the stepmother, and the biodad,

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Speaker 2: they insist none of the teens had alcohol. But I

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Speaker 2: want to circle back to clonidine. I've researched it and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this to you. Doctor Kendall Crown's

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Speaker 12: It's correct. So the withdrawal symptoms start occurring immediately, but

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Speaker 2: Any potential alcohol consumption is only gas on the fire.

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Speaker 2: I've got another issue, and what we're talking about is

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Speaker 14: Anna's brother heard a heated argument between them in their

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Speaker 2: Now, that is Anna Kettner's little Egg's boyfriend, and he

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Speaker 1: All he had to do is.

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Speaker 2: At stepmom's door, but he didn't Where were they? Why

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it looks to me like there was complete lack

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Speaker 8: They saw it, they heard it from her ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 7: It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 8: Complete lack of any type of responsibility on the part

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Speaker 2: Now again, Chantelle HUD's and the stepmother and Christopher Ketner

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Speaker 2: They wanted to know how it tasted, So Mom pours

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Speaker 10: Well, then the symptoms are exacerbated for sure, Nancy, because

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Speaker 10: I have to agree that anyone would ever let this

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Speaker 10: He's sixteen and he doesn't make great decisions. He has

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The little fourteen year old brother standing out in the hall, listening, cowering, afraid.

438
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: What time was that, because according to what we are

439
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: learning tonight, step mommy and husband were right across the

440
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: hall asleep in their cabin.

441
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: Is that real?

442
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 14: Listen questioned about the last time she saw the teens

443
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 14: the night before Anna found dead. Shantell Hudson says, Anna

444
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 14: leaves dinner for her room six pm in pain from

445
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 14: her braces. She last sees the boys an hour later,

446
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 14: returning to her own room seven thirty pm. Neither she

447
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 14: nor Christopher Kaepner check on the teens at all. Anna

448
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 14: isn't seen for more than sixteen hours before her body

449
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 14: is discovered.

450
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Let me understand, Susan Hendrix.

451
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: So, while Anna we believe is getting bar holed asphyxiated

452
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: in her own room, what ten.

453
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Feet across the way?

454
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 2: I mean the hallways are about four feet wide max.

455
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: And they're in the next.

456
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Room over and the little brother standing in the hall

457
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: crying and cowering.

458
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: What where were they asleep? Why couldn't he just knock

459
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: on the door? What really happened? Why didn't they just

460
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: walk across the hall and put it into it? Yeah?

461
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: Why didn't they hear that? And the fourteen year old?

462
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: You're right, Nancy, why didn't he just knock on the door.

463
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: By the way, the grandparents were one floor above. Could

464
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: he run up there? Could he scream out for help?

465
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 16: Nothing?

466
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 4: Then he went back in and he didn't see Anna. Meanwhile,

467
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: she's dead under the bed.

468
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 17: We feel there are some circumstances regarding that the sixteen

469
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 17: year old and the mother's judgment regarding that cruise that

470
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 17: would affect you know obviously that her ability to care

471
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 17: for the minor child, the nine year old, the sixteen

472
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 17: year old was allowed to drink. The teenagers were given

473
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 17: their own room in which to stay. Just a lot

474
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 17: of circumstances that showed that the mother in this case

475
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 17: was not exercising appropriate supervision over this child.

476
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: They've got Anna dad stuffed under a bed.

477
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: They've got the sixteen year old reportedly a target. Everybody

478
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: now asking these questions, a stepbrother being a suspect, What

479
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: is the truth?

480
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: Why no charges?

481
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: Tonight we understand the sixteen year old stepbrother a suspect

482
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: and teen cheerleader Anna Kettner's death the bar hold a

483
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: six siation of a little girl. Even though he is

484
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: the only target, the only suspect of this juncture, he

485
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: has not been arrested, He is not in custody. As punishment,

486
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: he has been sent to quote live with relatives. Okay.

487
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Tonight we learn that the stepmother, Chantelle Hudson, and Anna

488
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: his biodad Christopher Kepner, place the blame of the rooming

489
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: arrangement on the travel agent.

490
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 18: Listen, so this is what it looks like in the

491
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 18: rooms when you have the two twins whereas the other

492
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 18: one is the one king. The only difference is obviously

493
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 18: that put those two in the middle and the two.

494
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 19: Side tables go on the end.

495
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I'll double back to my room just to show you.

496
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 19: But again this is the interior of six' two o.

497
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 19: Nine the king bed is in six two, fifteen totally adjoining.

498
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 19: Rooms So i'll shuffe back to mine really. Quick so

499
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 19: again that's the king bed with the two side tables

500
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 19: and the two beds pushed.

501
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 9: Together carnival provides options for family, lodging including adjoining, interior,

502
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 9: balcony ocean view and cove rooms on nearly every. Deck

503
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 9: in the Family harbor section of the ship caters to

504
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 9: parents with children that.

505
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: From Ask cooks on.

506
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: YouTube but, Again hudson And kepner lay the blame on

507
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: the sleeping arrangements on the travel agent Listen.

508
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 11: Chantelle hudson testifies their travel agent recommended Teens Anna connor

509
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 11: and her sixteen year old son share a room While

510
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 11: hudson And christopher K captner sleep across the hall with

511
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 11: younger Daughters brook And. Kylie hudson says the teens were

512
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 11: all for, it describing them as the three. Amigos hudson

513
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 11: claims all three teens were to wear Grandparents barbara And

514
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 11: Jeffrey kapner had an extra bed in their room and

515
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 11: someone could sleep with.

516
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: Them WHEN i was looking at the layout that we

517
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: just showed, You i'm, Saying King Sidney, sumner the adjoining

518
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: rooms are highly, popular and as a matter of, fact

519
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: On carnival, cruises there's a whole area of the ship

520
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: the cruise ship that caters too children that are traveling with,

521
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: parents and it's a very common feature adjoining.

522
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Rooms isn't that?

523
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: True, yes it's very common Across carnival cruise ships on the.

524
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: Horizon nearly every single deck has adjoining rooms available to,

525
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: passengers but they do sell out really. Quickly carnival says

526
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: these are their most popular, rooms and they encourage people

527
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 3: to book early if they're wanting accommodations like that because

528
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: they sell out so.

529
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Quickly we are also, learning As Susan hendricks has told

530
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: us about a very contentious custody hearing and an emergency

531
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: hearing relating to taking the younger children away From Seantel

532
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: hudson listen to this arrangement.

533
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 14: Despite their written custody. Arrangement thomas Testifies chantell agrees to

534
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 14: exchange his then doesn't bring the children at the stipulated.

535
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 14: Times When chantelle does show With Christopher kepner in, Tow

536
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 14: kepner is the one to approach him and say the

537
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 14: children don't want to. Go thomas claims he gets no

538
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 14: unsupervised contact with the children and can hear them in

539
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 14: the background on speaker As chantell And chris tell him

540
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 14: they don't want to speak to.

541
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: Him crime stores With Nancy.

542
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 11: Grace shortly after his mom's, Move andrew says Shan tell

543
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 11: And kepner unexpectedly pick him up from. School in the,

544
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 11: Car chantell turns his phone, off explains they're heading To.

545
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 11: Titusville andrew says he doesn't want to. Go the sixteen

546
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 11: year old tries to get out of the, stoplight But

547
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 11: chantell And kepner put him in a chow called nearly

548
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 11: half an. Hour when they, Arrive andrew immediately calls his

549
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 11: where a dad who couldn't Reach andrew for hours after

550
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 11: the school notified. Him the team was picked, up drives

551
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 11: four hours round trip to return To shake And andrew.

552
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: Home Saysan, HENDRICKS i need a flow chart to figure

553
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: out who is who what? Happened AND i hear that

554
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: disturbing phrase choke hold used.

555
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: Again, yeah the suspected killer here at all of. This

556
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: his older, Brother andrew eighteen years, old said that he

557
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 4: was picked. Up it sounds like this has been going

558
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: on for quite a, while this nasty back and, forth testy.

559
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 20: Battle he was picked. Up he, said, NO i don't

560
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 20: want to go to my mom, KEEL i want to

561
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 20: stay with my. Biodebt they say, no you're staying, here

562
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 20: and he was put in a choke. Hold so WHEN

563
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 20: i heard, that WHEN i listened to that emergency, HEARING i,

564
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 20: thought is that what the suspects?

565
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: Saw is that why he knew how to do? That

566
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: and what's lost in?

567
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 7: This?

568
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: Again nancy Is?

569
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Anna how did she?

570
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: Die how did she literally slip through the cracks with

571
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: her parents right across the. Hall even if they just

572
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: heard that and didn't believe it from the ex boyfriend

573
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 4: that something went, on you knew that that was in

574
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: the back of your, head and you put them in

575
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: a room together unsupervised on a.

576
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: Cruise it's.

577
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Unforgivable the carnival cruise teen, girl the little, cheerleader thought

578
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: for her, life strangled, dead a mechanical.

579
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 19: Strangulation when is something going to, Happen when is there

580
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 19: going to be an, Arrested when are the answers going

581
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 19: to come?

582
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: Out and what Does Anna, keptner the teen cheerleaders biological,

583
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: mother have to say about all of.

584
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: This the relationship between.

585
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: Her bio mom and her bio, Dad Christopher, kepner who

586
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 2: was on that cruise with, her apparently across the hall

587
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: from her at the time she was strangled, dead has been.

588
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Contentious to put it, Mildly, listen.

589
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 15: You cheated on me with twenty four other, women Including,

590
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 15: keaby and then he married her after she turned. Eighteen

591
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 15: And i'm not okay with, that mind YOU i say,

592
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 15: that But i'm not mad At. Tabitha tabitha is a great.

593
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 15: Person she was a mother to my daughter WHAT i couldn't.

594
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 9: Be by the Time anna is, Five Christopher kaepner is

595
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 9: having an affair with a teenage. Babysitter When Tabitha Donna

596
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 9: hugh turns, Eighteen chris marries her and they have two children.

597
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 9: Together heather has a hard time maintaining a relationship With

598
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 9: anna due to the bitter divorce With chris.

599
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: That from at Just mom nineteen eighty four TikTok joining

600
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: me right now is the bio, mom the biological mother

601
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: Of Anna, ketner the teen cheerleader Sister Crystal, right thank

602
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: you for being with, Us Miss.

603
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: Wright.

604
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 10: Yeah.

605
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 21: Absolutely how is.

606
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: The bio Mom Heather right handling everything that she is

607
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: learning about her daughter's.

608
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 16: DEATH i think you trying to keep it. Together she's

609
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 16: trying to be right for it and make sure that

610
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 16: those that are accountable are held.

611
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Accountable what does she make of the fact there is

612
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: no arrest?

613
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 16: Yet he is beside, Herself but at the same, time she.

614
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 21: Just trying to tell herself that it's because they want

615
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 21: to make sure they get him properly charged and that

616
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 21: his charge is able to uphold in, court so that

617
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 21: he does take the.

618
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Time joining us to shed some light on this For

619
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Crystal right And Heather right is a renowned cruise line.

620
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: Lawyer Is, Spencer Aaronfeld. Spencer right, now there's a game

621
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: of hot potato being played between The feds and the.

622
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: State and we don't know who is going to take in.

623
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: Jurisdiction what's going? On why they?

624
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 6: Delay, okay so both the federal government and the state

625
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 6: can simultaneously if they choose to prosecute this young, man

626
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 6: and they both have different. Results he could be acquitted

627
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 6: in one convicted in the. Other and this is exactly what.

628
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 6: Happened if you Recall nancy in The Rodney king, case

629
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 6: he was prosecuted both in the federal and state court

630
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 6: and only was convicted in. One so both of these

631
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 6: prosecutors are probably fighting to have an opportunity to take this,

632
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 6: case and both can't and probably will proceed with this

633
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 6: under the dual sovereignty.

634
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: Doctrine, well What i'm curious, About, Spencer Aaron, felden you're

635
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: the expert in.

636
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: This what is taking so?

637
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: Long and if the, stepbrother the teen stepbrother off his

638
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: meds is the target is the, suspect and they've been

639
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: very clear that he is nobody, else why hasn't he been.

640
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: Arrested my guess.

641
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 6: Is they're just trying to get their ducks in a.

642
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: Row they may be waiting for the toxicology, report so you,

643
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 6: KNOW i would rather them wait and get it together

644
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: and get it right then rush to file this and

645
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 6: risk the chance it might get dismissed on some.

646
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: Technicality or We're, spencer the defense could always slap the

647
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: state with a speedy trial, demand which means the state's

648
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: got to go forward within the next two typically next

649
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: two grand jury, sessions and if the state's not ready

650
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: when the charges are, brought they may face an acquittal

651
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: if there was a speedy trial.

652
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Demand so you're.

653
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: Right, right and you're.

654
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 6: Right and THEN i hate to say, this but in

655
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 6: the midst of, all this Was, Thanksgiving christmas In New

656
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 6: YEAR'S i hate to think they're waiting to get through

657
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 6: the holidays to do, this but that is SOMETHING i

658
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 6: see frequently where they're, saying you know, what we'll tackle

659
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 6: this the beginning of twenty twenty, Six so there's that.

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00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: Possibility oh my, STARS i hope you're.

661
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: WRONG i mean To crystal, right this Is anna's maternal, Aunt.

662
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: Crystal the thought that everybody's taking a break Everything christmas

663
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: And thanksgiving instead of handling this. Case that's disturbing To heather's.

664
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Understanding what has she been? Told certainly law enforcement has

665
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Briefed Anna kaptner's biological mother about what.

666
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: Happened yet, No heather doesn't know anything.

667
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 21: Said she finds out from the.

668
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: News she just sits and waits for the.

669
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 5: News that is.

670
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Horrible no one is speaking to her and telling her

671
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: what happened to her. Daughter isn't it, True, crystal that

672
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: the Biomom Heather right had to sneak into her own daughter's?

673
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: Memorial she.

674
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 21: Did chris had told her that if she attempted to

675
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 21: come that he was going to have her arrested for

676
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 21: back to hold support.

677
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 7: THEM i trying to call me and get a hold

678
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 7: of me and.

679
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 10: Anything when she. DIED i found out.

680
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 7: Through The, Google heather.

681
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 11: Says on top of Discovering anna died Through internet searches

682
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 11: instead of her, Father captainer also told her she wasn't

683
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 11: welcome At anna's celebration of life. Service she Claims captainer

684
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 11: threatened to have her arrested were a disguise to her

685
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 11: own daughter's memorial to she could say goodbye and. Peace

686
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 11: there is not mentioned In anna's obituary.

687
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: From which two that is.

688
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: HEARTBREAKING i mean to, You John, buehler you are a

689
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: veteran homicide.

690
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: Detective can that be true.

691
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: That the non custodial biological mother is calling law enforcement

692
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: asking about what happened to her daughter and they won't.

693
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 8: Tell, well it's certainly true that that can happen depending

694
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 8: on the detective you're dealing. With some have a little

695
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 8: bit more heart than others and are maybe willing to

696
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 8: talk to. Them but there may be some efforts by

697
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 8: the prosecutor to, say, hey, look we got to keep

698
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 8: some of this stuff under close to the vest and

699
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 8: we don't want you.

700
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 7: Talking to these.

701
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 8: People but it really doesn't take into the human account

702
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 8: that you have to have for victims' families when it

703
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 8: comes to these. THINGS i know from personal, experience getting

704
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 8: a lot of family members involved can create some friction

705
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 8: in the, investigation but they have enough with on their

706
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 8: hands with a crime scene that was probably. Compromise you

707
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 8: got family loyalties that are conflicting with the, truth, interviews

708
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 8: and all sorts of. Things this really is a salad

709
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 8: bowl of all sorts of things that are difficult to

710
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 8: work with when you're putting a murder case.

711
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: Together the biological mother Hether, right has had nothing but

712
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: trouble since her split With.

713
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: Christopher Captain, Listen.

714
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 15: Christopher made it next to impossible for me to have

715
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 15: a relationship with my. Daughter he made it extremely hard

716
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 15: for me to see. Her he would ignore my phone,

717
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 15: calls not Tell anna they, called and then call like

718
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 15: a week and a half two weeks later And, anna

719
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 15: like my. Mind he called, me And i'm, Like i've

720
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 15: been calling. You you didn't get any of my. Voicemails

721
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 15: your dad didn't let you listen to. Him, no he,

722
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 15: said you didn't called.

723
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 2: Tonight if you know or think you know anything about

724
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: the death of teen Girl, Anna, captain please dial seven

725
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: five four seven zero three two, thousand anything that's been,

726
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: said anything that you've, learned if you were on the

727
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: cruise and you observe something seven five four seven zero

728
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: three two. Thousand we remember An American Hero, Officer Austin Cooley,

729
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: kaufman P D, texas just twenty, seven killed in the

730
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: line of, duty leaving behind his wife turned widow and

731
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: a three month old baby. Girl American Hero Officer Austin

732
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: Muley Nancy gray signing off goodbye.

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Speaker 13: Friend