1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how stup 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And for people who follow us 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mom's Stuff Podcast, you got a little 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: prevideo a couple of weeks ago, and we're gonna be 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: doing this episode on Instagram that was live live tweeting 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: some podcast research asking folks what they wanted to know 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: about Instagram, and a lot of replies were about selfies, 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: food picks, yoga moms. So even though there hasn't been 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of formal research on Instagram, we figured why 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: not talk about it? Right? Yeah? I mean I I 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: actually just got on there recently, not too long ago, 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: and I can't remember. I was just telling Kristin. I 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: can't remember why what drove me on there, other than 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: I just felt like, go all right, fine, I'll get 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: on there and posting pictures. But I've actually gotten kind 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: of sucked in because I do like the sharing aspect. Yeah, 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: I'll confess that I am not as Instagram literate as 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: I should be because I have an account it is private, 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: but I have a very few photos even in there 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: because I have an old phone and the camera does 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: not take crisp, beautiful photos. So I've been telling myself 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: that once I get a new phone, I've been telling 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: myself this Poe two years, that I'll get on Instagram 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: and become an Instagram queen. But maybe this episode is 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: the catalyst for getting active on Instagram. There you go, 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: because stuff I've never told you should probably get on Instagram, right, 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: we probably should get on all of the social media's. 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: What do you think we would post photos of Caroline? 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: If stuff I've never told you had an Instagram, we 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: could post studio selfies. Oh yeah, yeah, research pictures. We're 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: a researching um pictures of women. I don't know what else. 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Photos of your favorite sandwiches. Oh heck yeah, I know, 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: but I am sort of morally opposed to food pictures. 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into food picks. Yeah, so I don't. 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: If I were to make a great sandwich like I 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: made this weekend, then I would absolutely post a picture, 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: but you know, not of my run of the mill 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: average sandwich. Okay, no, no, PB and J's right on 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: the sminty Instagram. Well yeah, well we'll post on our 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: so existing social media's to announce uh if and when 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: we're going to get on Instagram, will probably be doing 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: it a sap. Let us know if you want us to, 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: if you'd even if you even follow us, if you 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: want to look at our photo. Yeah, I mean you 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: can follow. I guess they can follow us in the meantime, Yeah, absolutely. 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: But who founded Instagram? Some geeks, A couple of geeks 48 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: stand these guys Kevin's sister m and Mike Krieger out 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, who this this really interesting New York 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Times article talked about the help they got from people 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: around them. It's sort of like they were able to 52 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: reach out to other people in the tech community. Um, 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: just because they knew a whole lot of people around 54 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: the whole Stanford community. Yeah. And one thing that stood 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: out to me about the founding of Instagram is how 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: it's such a snapshot of these kind of bro networks, 57 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: for lack of a more formal phrasing, because all of 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the people except for one really cited in that New 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: York Time story, it's all guys, and they're all in 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: the startup culture. They're all in the Bay Area, and 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: they hang out together. They drink beer together, they went 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: to Stanford together, etcetera. And this is how all of 63 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: these startups like Instagram are being made. Not to say 64 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: that women are not in the mix as well, but 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: for instance, let me let me just read from the 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: New York Times. It says, by and large, it's a 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: network of young men, many who attended Stanford and had 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: attention of the world's biggest venture capitalists before they even 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: left campus. Among the set, risk taking is regarded as 70 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: a badge of honor. Ideas are disposable. If one doesn't work, 71 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: you move on quickly to another. Timing matters. You make 72 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: your own luck. Which I feel like that that nugget 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: right there of moving quickly, taking risks making your own 74 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: luck is maybe an example that women could learn from 75 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: from more so as well, because we do tend to 76 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: be a little more risk averse. Yeah, so jump jump 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: in there, Jump in there, because you too could make 78 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: a billion dollars from Facebook, from your app. Yeah, And 79 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean Instagram is a great example of something that 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: started off as a different incarnation. Um It's started off 81 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: as a project kind of like four square, but for pictures, 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: right exactly. It was an HTML five check in project 83 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: for mobile photography. So and I think it was my 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Krieger who had the initial idea where he saw what 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: four square was doing and he liked the idea of 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: the location based check ins, but he wanted to do 87 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: something more with pictures. But then once four square really 88 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: started taking off, he's like, we need to focus more 89 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: on the photo. And then on October sixth, two thousand ten, 90 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: history was made in the Apple Store, right, that's when 91 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: Instagram hits the Apple Store and within the first twenty 92 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: four hours they have twenty five thousand users, and they 93 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: had three hundred thousand by week three, and fast forward 94 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: to today, they have over one thirty million users with 95 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: over sixteen billion photos uploaded. And it took off so 96 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: quickly within the first twenty four hours that they had 97 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: to call up a guy that they knew over from 98 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: Facebook to help because their server kept ashing. They're like, 99 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: we don't know what to do. We've made apparently the 100 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: most incredible thing in the world, and our servers can't 101 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: keep up because everyone loves posting selfie so much. It's 102 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: like the Internet didn't know what it was missing until 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: October six, two thousand and ten. Um But in analysis 104 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: that's been done since that short window of tom I 105 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: mean that's we're only we're only in. But analysts would 106 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: say that this fits naturally within the progression of how 107 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: we use the Internet, particularly women and young adults, right, 108 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Pinterest. We've done an episode on 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Pinterest before talking about just this culture of curating online 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: rather than creating, and how Pinterest is such a women 111 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: driven site. Instagram is too, but not quite to the 112 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: same degree. So the Pew Center did a breakdown of 113 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: who's using it and found that sixteen percent of women 114 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: Internet users are on Instagram versus ten percent of male 115 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Internet users, and I was surprised to see that the 116 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: gender gap wasn't wider, almost Pinterest sized, because I don't 117 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: know about you, Carolin, but I feel like Instagram is 118 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: stereotyped as very female centric. I don't know. Maybe it's 119 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: because I just got on there recently and hadn't been 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: paying attention to it, but I didn't really have a 121 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: stereotype about it either way. But I also do follow 122 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: a pretty even split of men and women online. I 123 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: wonder if that idea in my head of been Instagram 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: being more lady focused is because of the rise of 125 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: the selfie, because while guys and girls I'm sure post 126 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: equal amounts of selfies. What a guy taking a photo 127 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: of himself ever called a selfie? You know? I asked 128 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: dude roommate about this last night. Yeah, and he was 129 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: so like scornful and dismissive of the idea of the selfie. 130 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: He was like, well, that's a girl thing. Girls to that, 131 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: and it's really stupid. Guy would never do that. He's like, 132 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: the only time I would ever take what you would 133 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: call a selfie is if I had like a cool 134 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: scar on my face that I got from fighting. I 135 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, you're masculine, so then what it we 136 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: call is scarfie? Oh I like it. He In fact, 137 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: the puce that I found that age is a much 138 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: stronger predictor of Instagram use than gender, with eighteen to 139 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty nine year olds comprising the core demo. And we're 140 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: just we're just holding on there. Yeah, you and I 141 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: and the cord demographic, we're just holding on. We're millennials. 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: We're in there. Um. And there's an interesting race breakdown 143 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: as well. And I think this also holds for Twitter, 144 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: in that Instagram is more popular among black and Hispanic 145 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: users versus white users, and also income wise, those making 146 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: under thirty k are the most likely to use it, 147 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: and that probably has to do with the age factor. 148 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: We're a lot younger, we're probably not making as much money. 149 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: But the fact though that the we're making under thirty 150 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: dollars but using Instagram the most. And yet Instagram often 151 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: sort of us in a in a status conscious kind 152 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: of way of taking pictures of either you know, your 153 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: your beautiful face and your cool hair, your shoes, or 154 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: your bag or your vacation spot. Right, I mean, I liked, 155 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I do like to post vacation photos. I don't really 156 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: want to take pictures of cool clothes or bags because 157 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I have any cool closure bags. 158 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: But one thing that I did notice, I mean, demographic wise, 159 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: is uh, it is also much more likely to be 160 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: used by city dwellers versus people in rural areas, which 161 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: I wonder what the reason for that is. Maybe there's 162 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: just something more appealing about the urban vista with sky 163 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: scrapers and sunsets and skylines. There we go urban skylines. Um. 164 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: But I wanted to know what kind of stuff people 165 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: are posting on Instagram outside of just the basic things 166 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: of well selfies and food uh, so we looked at 167 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: the most common Instagram tags, which aren't necessarily specific to 168 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: the objects, but I thought they were kind of fascinating. 169 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: This is as of June. This was reported on by 170 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: HuffPo text Brian Hanigman and the number one Instagram tag love, 171 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: And I thought that was all cute until I realized 172 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: that people probably post love for like things. Also, exactly, 173 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: you're just as likely to post love under a picture 174 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: of your boyfriend as you are a pair of shoes 175 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: or something. Sure not to be totally cynical, No, it's true. Yeah, 176 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: love is followed by insta, good Me, TBT, Throwback Thursday, 177 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: and cute. So those at least those top five hashtags 178 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: do sound at least feminine skewing. They do, they do, 179 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: except for I didn't realize what TB he stood for. 180 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: So there we go, everyone, I'm learning something right in 181 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: front of your ears. Throwback Thursday, that's what we could 182 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: post on Instagram. Yeah, I have Sally has so many 183 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: baby pictures with me displaying my baby mullet. We could 184 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: easily post some Caroline baby mullet pictures on Throwback Thursday. 185 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: And I have kindergarten mullet pictures to post, Caroline, let's 186 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: just stop recording and get on Instagram right now, all right. Well, 187 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: so one thing that did not pop up in the 188 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: top five tags on Instagram is food. Food. Food. I 189 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: think of all of the negative stereotypes about Instagram, one 190 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: of the main ones is what's up with all these 191 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 1: food pictures? Well, you stop posting your food on Instagram. 192 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I think there's even I'm sure there are multiple ones, 193 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: but there's even a giant Facebook group with a mean 194 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: title about we hate people who post food on Instagram. Yeah, 195 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: there is it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know 196 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: what's so impressive about taking pictures of your dinner, uh, 197 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, other than maybe if you haven't eaten in 198 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: a really long time. Well, I have seen some some 199 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: accounts from professional food photographers and cooks, and it's really 200 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: pretty and gorgeous. Yes, I agree with you. There. I 201 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: take back kind of partially what I said, because I 202 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: do follow a chef and I do love seeing his 203 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: food pictures. Um, but yeah, I mean in general, man, well, 204 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: maybe this this gets to the heart of your myn 205 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: for that. According to data from moment Feed, the cheesecake 206 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: factory is the number one most instagrammed restaurant. Yeah, I 207 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: I rolled real hard at this because cheesecake factories followed 208 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: in this list by Applebe's Chilies, and Olive Garden, and 209 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: I was like, come on, seriously, And then I thought 210 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,119 Speaker 1: about it. I was like, Okay, don't be so judgmental. 211 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: These restaurants are all over the country versus like your 212 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: little neighborhood bistro that obviously would not be the most 213 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: instagrammed place in the country. Yeah. I mean there's one 214 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: location of your adorable bistro over this is how many 215 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: cheesecake factories. And I will say the portion sizes the 216 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: cheesecake factory are incredible. Yes, I would want to take 217 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: a picture just to prove how big my pasta portion was. 218 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: But some of the research that has been applied to 219 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: Instagram has looked at this aspect of snapping pics of 220 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: our food, and there was a study published in Psychological 221 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: Science which suggested, loosely the instagramming meals might actually have 222 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: the benefit of making the food taste better. Right in 223 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: the same way that people say, you know, you shouldn't 224 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: watch TV at the same time that you eat, or 225 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, do another activity while you're eating, you should 226 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: focus on your food. Researchers from the University of Minnesota 227 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: and Harvard Business School found that rituals enhanced the enjoyment 228 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: of consumption because of the greater involvement in this experience 229 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: that they prompt. So, like, the study had people, um 230 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: like given the rich of breaking a chocolate bar in 231 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: a certain way and eating it in a very ritualized 232 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: fashion versus just shoving it in your face like I 233 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: do when I eat a chocolate bar. And the people 234 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: who like had a ritual to it and we're supposed 235 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: to like break it here and then eat half and 236 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: then do this, they were able to enjoy it more 237 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: because it kind of slowed them down. I guess, yeah, 238 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: it's delaying that gratification. Um And while the study didn't 239 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: look specifically at Instagram, study author Kathleen Divos did tell 240 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: having imposed that it seemed like a ritual that could 241 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: enhance pleasure from food, But I mean that could be 242 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: applied to other things as simple as uh, you know, 243 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: growing up in my family, we would bless the food first, 244 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: and I remember sitting there and being like, can I 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: just want to eat? And then of course, you know, 246 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: like once I finally got to eat it was maybe 247 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: especially delicious, but Instagram could be considered a more tech 248 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: savvy type of ritual that you could apply. But instagramming 249 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: all of your meals could also accord to some people 250 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: be too much of a good thing. Yeah. This is 251 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: coming from Dr Valerie Taylor, who told the Canadian Obesity 252 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: Summit that obsessively instagram documenting your food could be a 253 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: sign of an actual unhealthy and complicated relationship with food. 254 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: She talks about how these people aren't taking pictures of 255 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: the people there with they're taking them of food, and 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: it's sort of another way of demonstrating just like we 257 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: talked about in our foodie episodes and all that stuff, 258 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: foods elevated importance and our lives more so than like hobbies. 259 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: Now we have food. Yeah. Well, while food definitely tends 260 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: to polarize people on Instagram in terms of whether they're 261 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: totally for it or like totally against it, one of 262 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the most controversial topics that's come up in terms of 263 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: Instagram are images of mom's breastfeeding on there, and a 264 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: lot of people may have seen an image that went 265 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: viral from breastfeeding yoga mom. Her user name is a 266 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: daughter of the sun. Yeah, and she had a picture 267 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: of her doing a headstand naked and her child I 268 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: believe was her daughter, was breastfeeding. All of this was 269 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: going on at the same time. I'm just impressed with 270 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: her balance. I feel like that's too much for my 271 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: brain to handle doing all the same time. So anyway, 272 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: this was a picture from it. Like Kristen said, it 273 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: went viral and as a result, Instagram disabled her account. Yeah, 274 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: and this isn't the first time that Instagram has run 275 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: into issues taking down or censoring pictures of moms breastfeeding, 276 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: which has led to lots of conversations about well, hey, 277 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's so wrong with women exposing their 278 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: breast in this way? It's not sexualized their breastfeeding. Facebook 279 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: has had similar issues as well. Also Tumbler and people 280 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: are upset that Instagram has taken down Daughter of the Son. 281 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: There's even a mini campaign to get them to reactivate 282 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: her account. And I have a feeling that Kevin's sistrom 283 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: and Mike Creager, who founded Instagram, probably never thought they 284 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: were going to have to outline a breastfeeding policy on Instagram. 285 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: But this is what it is. Uh Instagram's policy on 286 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: breastfeeding is we agree that breastfeeding is natural and beautiful, 287 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: and we're glad to know that it's important for mothers 288 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: to share their experiences with others on Instagram. The vast 289 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: majority of these photos are compliant with our policies. Photos 290 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: that show a fully exposed breast where the child is 291 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: not actively engaged in nursing, do violate our community guidelines. 292 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: These policies are based on the same standards which applied 293 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: to television in print media. Well, the thing about that, 294 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: like people were arguing, Okay, well her breast wasn't showing 295 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: and she was actively engaged in breastfeeding. However, they do 296 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: have a new nudity policy. So but I mean it's 297 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: like the side, it's a profile shot where you see 298 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: the side of her her bottom from her bottom bom uh, 299 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: And don't it's not like you see her expose vagina 300 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I mean, God forbid vagina. Um. 301 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to know from from listeners whether 302 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: or not you think that it's cool to crackdown on 303 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: breastfeeding photos or if it's like, come on, can we 304 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: just get over this fear of the breast? Well, those 305 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: were a lot of the comments. That was the split 306 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of on the story talking about this, because it 307 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: seemed like people were either get over it, who cares? 308 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: Like breastfeeding is natural? What are you so worked up about? 309 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: And other people who were like, she's an exhibitionist. You know, 310 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: she wants to post all these naked photos and they're 311 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: titillating and she just wants attention. But it wasn't when 312 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: I clicked through a gallery of a lot of her 313 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: photos and they were gorgeous. You live in Hawaii with 314 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: her family on this commune, and a lot of them 315 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: were very scenic and interesting and kind of made me 316 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: want to go live in a hippie commune and but 317 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: only like yeah, exactly. Um. But speaking of the fact 318 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: though that she was doing a yoga headstand, one thing 319 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: I was surprised to see was how intense of a 320 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: yoga community is on Instagram. These yoga folks have hundreds 321 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: of thousands of followers, to the point that there was 322 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: a New York Times trend piece that came out not 323 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: too long about this right, and it gives a whole 324 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: lot of guidelines, like if you're going to take these 325 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: pictures like you know, it was asking all of these 326 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Instagram yoga people what makes them so successful on the site, 327 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do with framing. 328 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: Don't have your dirty dishes in the background, have a nice, 329 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: peaceful background where some fancy s fancy leggings. Um. You know, 330 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: one woman was saying that she sets her fancy camera 331 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: to take pictures every two seconds as she's going through poses, 332 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: and the pictures were gorgeous. The ones that the New 333 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: York Times had pulled for the piece were incredible. Um. 334 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: But they're are some who would say that yoga is about, 335 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, cultivating yourself away from the ego, the concept 336 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: of the ego, and isn't trying to amass hundreds of 337 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: thousands of followers on Instagram by putting on mermaid leggings 338 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: and doing incredible headstands violating those principles. Yeah, and you 339 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: know what, that was brought up in that story and 340 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: it was never really answered, which I thought was interesting 341 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: because they put that question to some of the people 342 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, well, you know, legging. Well, 343 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: it's I mean, I think for the breastfeeding issue and 344 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: for the yoga stuff and even for food too. Um, 345 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to see how Instagram is exposing 346 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: what we're comfortable with seeing, and we're not comfortable with 347 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: seeing what seems to violate our norms in like very 348 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: everyday kinds of ways. Like normally, like if you and 349 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: I were walking past, uh, you know, a table of 350 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: people eating lunch and we saw their food, we wouldn't 351 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: like put it away, but we had a room. Yeah, 352 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: but we don't want to see a photo of that. 353 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: What's the difference. Well, I mean, I think it's the 354 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: same thing with selfies. You know, like I think you're 355 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: a very lovely person sitting across from me, but if 356 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: I see you posting pictures of yourself every five minutes 357 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: on Facebook, I'm gonna be like, Kristen, cut it out. 358 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Enough of those selfies. Uh, yeah, we got to talk 359 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: about the selfies. Selfie was coined on Flicker actually and 360 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: popped up on my Space in two thousand four, So 361 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: selfie's been around in our vernacular for a long time, 362 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: but only recently has the online Oxford English Dictionary adopted it. 363 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Shaking my head, you are shaking your head, just shaking 364 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: my head. I just you know, just because people say words, well, 365 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: I mean to be fair. The O. E. D. Also 366 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: is including denim on denim and cake pops and there editions. 367 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: So look, stop trying to make fetch happen? Okay anyway, 368 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: um So, as more than twenty three million photos with 369 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: the selfie tag had been uploaded and seventy million photos 370 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: were tagged me and some of course, we're saying this 371 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: is just an example of millennial narcissism, pure and simple. 372 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: I feel like if you pick up any trend piece 373 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: written about millennials, you're gonna see a mention of Instagram 374 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: and selfies, saying these people clearly are obsessed with themselves 375 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: because they can't stop taking images of themselves. But I 376 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: will say, in the defense of the selfie in the 377 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: front facing camera for someone who is simply not very photogenic, 378 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like I'm a troll. I'm just saying, 379 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: like cameras don't always capture my my best angles and 380 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: being able to manipulate and find precisely where you look 381 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: the best, I mean, yeah, I take a picture, sure. Yeah. Plus, 382 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: Mindy Kaling has the whole chapter in her in her 383 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: book about it. It's not selfie, she pro selfie. Oh 384 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, it's like her she was basically talking 385 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: about how our entire black Berry is filled with selfies 386 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: and how she uses it not only just to take 387 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: pictures of herself willy nilly, but also like check her makeup, 388 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: how do I look in glasses? How do I look smiling? 389 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's my hair, Okay, But then she doesn't 390 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: delete them, and it's kind of silly. Well, you could 391 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: argue that maybe the ability to take a perfect selfie 392 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: is good for girls because it allows us to maybe 393 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: more easily find our own beauty. I'm going on a limb. Yeah, 394 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: you're you're out on a limb. But see, like what, 395 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I am trying not to be I'm 396 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: trying not to be super judgmental about people who post 397 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: NonStop selfies, Like what is what is up with that 398 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: sense of selfie? Yeah, like fifteen a day or something 399 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: crazy like that. What's going on? I'm not sure. I mean, 400 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: Pamela Rutledge has a more positive outlook on all of 401 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: these selfies are being posted. She's the director of the 402 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Media's Psychology Research Center, and she was talking to the 403 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: Christian Science Monitor about this, and she said that selfies 404 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: are simply democratizing the quote unquote once snooty practice of 405 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: self portraiture, and she's like, you know what, Yeah, we 406 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: see a lot of selfies, but selfies have been going 407 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: on ever since the mirror was invented in the fifteenth century, 408 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: and it became a lot easier for people to paint 409 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: self portraits. So I don't know about that because I'm 410 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of looking at it from the opposite direction like 411 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: she is saying, it's it's not a negative thing, you 412 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: know that it's democratizing something that used to be just 413 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: in the upper echelons. But I'm looking at it as no, 414 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: we're all narcissistic and we all always have been, and 415 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: now we just have an easier way to capture photos 416 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: of ourselves or images of ourselves well, and to post 417 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: those images and to select the perfect image for that. 418 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: There was actually to study, uh that is one of 419 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: the only studies looking specifically at Instagram, looking at an 420 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: application of Instagram, and the methodology was a little limited, 421 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: I'll say, to extrapolate too many results from it, but 422 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: it came out in April out of Sweden's University of Goldenburg, 423 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: and what the researchers did was look at how people 424 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: used Instagram when they were visiting a natural history museum, 425 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: so okay um, And they concluded that people put a 426 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: lot of time and effort into the Instagram pictures that 427 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: they upload that it wasn't just a lot of kind 428 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: of vapid selfie photos, but they were really going through 429 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: and creating and curating the best possible photo. But also, 430 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean you have to think about it. These are 431 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's a self selected group of people who 432 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: are going to a natural history museum, and probably natural 433 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: history museums are not don't lend themselves as well to 434 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: selfies as say where where's a place, as a as 435 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: a party, as a cool party, as a rooftop party 436 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Well, yeah, I mean the whole putting a 437 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: lot of time into it. Also, you've got to think 438 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: about what is the motivation for that. You want to 439 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: post good pictures because you want people to click like 440 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: and comment and so that other people can see that 441 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: their friends liked your pictures, so that they can start 442 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: following you. Well, and you want to just look good 443 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: to the world. It's all. It's a new facet and 444 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: well not so new facet now of this constant self 445 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: presentation that we have to maintain which I personally find 446 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: exhausting on my On my personal Facebook account, I don't Hey, 447 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: I don't post that much, and I really don't post 448 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: many photos because it just I don't know, it's so much. 449 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: It is a lot. I prefer to use Facebook. I 450 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: did post vacation photos because of course, but um, I 451 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: I used it mainly to post links about things I'm 452 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: interested in. Well, Caroline with those photos of vacation for instance, 453 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: all right, and I'm sure did you instagram some to 454 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: share a couple. Yeah, Vaca photos very common on Instagram. 455 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: A lot of times. The stuff that we're going to 456 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: see on Instagram, because it's image based, are really you know, 457 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: it's really portraying the best of our lives. And so 458 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: some research is now looking into, well, what is the 459 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: impact of consuming Instagram? Not like, what does it mean 460 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: when we're taking all these selfies? But what does looking 461 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: all these selfies? What is me seeing your photo of 462 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: you on the beach due to me when I'm sitting 463 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: in my cubicle. Um, Because there's been a ton of 464 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: research now on the impact of consuming Facebook, and a 465 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: lot of it is negative, saying that it provokes jealousy 466 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: and depression and feelings of isolation because we are curating 467 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: how our lives look to the world, usually in the 468 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: best possible light. So what about Instagram. Well, you know, 469 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: when I was reading this, and I had been looking 470 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: at some of the studies on Facebook and just thinking, 471 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: you know, this is so I don't really feel that 472 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: way about Facebook. I don't feel like I'm missing the 473 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: party or something when I look at Facebook. But then 474 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: when I was looking at the Slate article that said 475 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: quote Instagram distills the most crazy making aspects of the 476 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: Facebook experience, I was like, bingo, Because, like we said, 477 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: people post really beautiful pictures on Instagram. They do put 478 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort into it. And so 479 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: some of the people I'm following, you know, I don't 480 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: even know them. They're traveling the world and they're posting 481 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: pictures of like Buddhist temples and wherever they're they are. 482 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, oh, man, I guess I'll just 483 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: go to work today and send traffic again. Well, even 484 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: if someone's not traveling around, thanks to the filters, Instagram 485 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: really can make the ordinary look extraordinary exactly. This podcast 486 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Instagram. Instagram if you'd like 487 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: to send me that check. Um, but really, I mean, 488 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: you can we could take we could make our podcast 489 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: studio look so cool. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure there's 490 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: a filter for that. It's like the Nashville one maybe 491 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: on Nashville or Kelvin. I'm sure yeah. Um, but so. 492 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: Hanna Krasnova of Humble University in Berlin co authored a 493 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: study on Facebook and those envy spirals, and she talked 494 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: about how um photos can provoke immediate social comparison and 495 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: that can make you feel inferior. And you know, whereas 496 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: I might just be posting links on Facebook about issues 497 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: or news stories I'm interested in, you know, she's saying 498 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: news stories don't promote envy. That's where those pictures come in. 499 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: And Cataline Atma of the Department of Communication Arts at 500 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: the University of Wisconsin Madison has also looked into Facebook 501 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: and um how it affects our self esteem, and she 502 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: told Slate uh that the photographs, likes, and comments are 503 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: the aspects of the Facebook experience that are the most 504 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: important in driving the self esteem effects. And so when 505 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: you isolate all that down kind of like you were saying, 506 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: the way that instag Graham does, then Yeah, you're probably 507 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: gonna see some very similar results in terms of Instagram 508 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: provoking not so positive self esteem. Yeah, I don't know. Like, 509 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: there's this one guy I follow who posts pictures of 510 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: his beautiful life and they're like in all these far 511 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: flong locations that I was just thinking last night, like 512 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: I need to stop following this guy, Like his life 513 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: looks too amazing. I can't even handle it well. Socialist 514 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: psychologist Sarah J. Gervais wrote over at Psychology Today that 515 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: she she sees all of the selfies that people post, 516 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: all of the diversity of the actual faces and bodies 517 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: that you see on Instagram. Maybe, maybe Caroline is not 518 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: that you need to unfollow those people, but just follow 519 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: more people to provide a more diverse feed, because she says, 520 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: this is actually all going to be good for our 521 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: body image because it showcases diversity. Right instead of only 522 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: having like Glamour or Vogue to flip through where everybody's 523 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: airbrushed and in designer clothes and looking amazing, but only 524 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: looking like kind of one kind of amazing. Um, she 525 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: is saying that, you know, Instagram, even if we are 526 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: trying to present the best picture to the world, Instagram 527 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: does give you a more diverse picture of humanity kind of. 528 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: And she also likes how it does give a glimpse 529 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: into what she calls the makings of people's everyday lives. 530 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: She says, we get a sense of those things that 531 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: make the everyday extraordinary, things that inspire us, peak our curiosity, 532 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: deeply touch us and make us smile. But I do 533 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: think there's that fine line between all of those things 534 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: that are incredible and inspire us in the everyday working 535 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: to other people's lives, and how we internalize that and 536 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: compare it to the shortcomings perceived or otherwise in our 537 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: own lives. Yeah, and you also don't want to be 538 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: too much of a stalker, no, although it can be 539 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: hard to also not not do that as well. So 540 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: from what we know today, which is not a lot, 541 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: we we know who uses Instagram, We know the kinds 542 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: of things that are on Instagram. We know that people 543 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: love posting pictures of themselves and food and yoga poses. 544 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: What do you think? What's your take? Well, you know, 545 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: as somebody who's new to Instagram, I I do like 546 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: it a lot. I think it's great. I like keeping 547 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: up with not only what people in my community are doing, 548 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: but what world travelers are doing and looking at all. 549 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: They're awesome pictures. But I think we should start a movement, Kristen. 550 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: I think instead of food pictures and selfies, we need 551 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: to come up with something else. What is something else 552 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: that we can obsessively post pictures about. You mean in 553 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: terms of on the more inspirational front. You know how 554 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: tumbler has all and and pinterest as all those inspirational 555 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: quotes that are everywhere will be the Instagram real world 556 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: imagery version of that. I don't know, but I have 557 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: star did uh Like? There's another app. There's an Instagram 558 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: related app called overgram where you can put texts in 559 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: nice fonts over your images. And I've started putting Whitney 560 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: Houston lyrics on top of my inspirational looking sunset photos. Well, 561 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're going to be managing the new stuff. 562 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I've never told you Instagram, I'm so on it. Well, 563 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. Now. What do you 564 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: think about Instagram? Do you do you use it? Do 565 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: you like it? Do you loath it? Let us know 566 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: all of your thoughts. Mom. Stuff at Discovery dot com 567 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: is where you can send your letters and if there 568 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: was an aspect of Instagram that we didn't talk about, 569 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: because it would have been impossible to talk about every 570 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: single genre of Instagram photo. Let us know if there's 571 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: been one that's really piqued your interest, and of course, 572 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: if you want us to get on Instagram, let us know. Now. 573 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at Discovery dot com is where you can 574 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: send your emails. You can also find us on Facebook 575 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: and follow us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. And 576 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: we've got a couple of letters to read when we 577 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: come back, and now actually our letters. I have a 578 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: letter here from Heather subject line getting pregnant over thirty 579 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: five question Mark in response to our fertility episode. She says, 580 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: I'm so sad that waiting for Mr Wright was never 581 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: mentioned as a reason for delaying pregnancy. I know several 582 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: over thirty five year old women who would love to 583 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: find the guy, get married and have babies. They even 584 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: feel a bit despondent at times and think they may 585 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: never get married and have a baby. I'm so tired 586 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: of all the articles talking about how women are delaying 587 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: having babies to work on their careers. I myself finally 588 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: met the right guy at thirty four, waited for him 589 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: to finish grad school, got married at thirty eight, pregnant 590 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: at thirty nine, and finally had a baby at forty. 591 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: Trust me, I would have been ready at twenty five. 592 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: I think most women know they can have a career 593 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: and a baby, but most women do not want to 594 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: use a sperm downer and be a single mom. So 595 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: thanks for your story, Heather, And I've got an email 596 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: here from Joanna also in response to that episode on 597 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: getting pregnant after at their five. But um, it's actually 598 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: about miscarriage, which was something that we mentioned that we 599 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: need to do an episode on, and she said this 600 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: past May, I lost my daughter when I was twenty 601 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: two weeks pregnant. I have been blessed have a number 602 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: of women in my life who have experienced pregnancy or 603 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: early infant deaths, so they understand. However, talking to other 604 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: women online, I realized that a lot of people don't 605 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: have that kind of support. I just feel that people 606 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: who have had a loss may not know where to 607 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: turn to for support. Also, other people may not know 608 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: how to respond. So the worst is when people don't 609 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: acknowledge the loss at all. Some come in comments that 610 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: people who are trying to help say that are actually hurtful. 611 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: Include your baby would have been disabled. Be grateful for 612 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: the children you have. It was God's plan, God need 613 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: another angel. Don't say you will make a good mom someday. 614 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm a mom now I have experienced the type of 615 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: pain that many moms will never experience. People also need 616 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: to understand that seeing other pregnant people, babies and children 617 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: may be hard, and to not be upset if we 618 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: can't attend baby showers or birthdays. Things you can do 619 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: send a card, opfer to spend time with us, let 620 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: us cry, ask about our babies, remember us on Mother's 621 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: Day or due date in the date of our loss. 622 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: Help us connect to other people who have experienced a loss. 623 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: Sorry for such a long email. If you really enjoy 624 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: your show and hope you do an episode on miscarriages. 625 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: So thank you Joanna for um that candid letter, and 626 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: we absolutely will do an episode on miscarriage because I'm 627 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: sure that a lot of listeners, both women and men, 628 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: can relate to that topic. So if you have a 629 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: topic you'd like to request, or just want to send 630 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: us a shout out, you can email us mom Stuff 631 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: at Discovery dot com. You can also find us on 632 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Facebook or follow us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast, 633 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: and you can follow us on Tumbler as well to 634 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: keep up with us during the week where at stuff 635 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: mom Never told You dot tumbler dot com, and of 636 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: course you can watch us on YouTube as well where 637 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: at YouTube dot com, slash stuff Mom Never Told You, 638 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: and don't forget to subscribe for more on this and 639 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. Is It How staff Works dot com.