WEBVTT - Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: Identity Crisis? with Chris Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>By you guys, we are two Jersey Jays and Jackie Goldschneider.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Den Fessler.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so excited today we have one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>people on as our guest, but we have.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot to get to before then. Yes, we certainly do.

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<v Speaker 1>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>As I was driving here this morning, news was breaking

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<v Speaker 2>about some people leaving some of the Bravo shows and.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I lost my voice, and I like, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rasby like this, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't seem to get We're gonna excrase it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, people are leaving some of the shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and the timing of that, although unfortunate I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>for lots of viewers, and potentially even for the Housewives, Uh, unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunate though it is maybe for them, it sort of

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<v Speaker 3>works out for us because our topic today is sort

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<v Speaker 3>of what happens after you lose you or I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know about identity, because I don't know that our guests

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<v Speaker 3>would agree that it was an identity that he lost.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, when you go from being famous and

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<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden you're not, whether it's at

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<v Speaker 3>you're canceled, or you leave a show that you've been,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, part of for so long, and I guess

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<v Speaker 3>it's different if you decide to leave. But even if

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<v Speaker 3>you do decide to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you're fired or put on pause or whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a big piece of your identity, it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you are separated from that, you can really

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<v Speaker 2>have an identity crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've seen it. I've

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<v Speaker 3>not been close friends with anyone that has gone through it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it, you know, would unfolds in social media, and

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<v Speaker 3>it feels like it's very, very hard for people to rebound. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Housewives I'm talking about, but certainly there are

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of famous people that all of a sudden they're

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<v Speaker 3>not in the spotlight anymore for whatever reason. I mean, Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>you've been doing Housewives way longer than I have, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know you've gone through some stuff, but you probably

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<v Speaker 3>are more of an expert in terms of like speaking

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<v Speaker 3>to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right well, I mean my.

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<v Speaker 2>Step back to friend role from full time. Even though

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<v Speaker 2>that was something that I had spoken to Bravo about

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<v Speaker 2>and we all decided that was best considering my mental

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<v Speaker 2>stata at the time, it was still very hard for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I started filming my fifth season suddenly as

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<v Speaker 2>a friend instead of a full time cast member. My

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<v Speaker 2>head was spinning. I was so upset. All the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt really insecure. I would walk into rooms and

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<v Speaker 2>instead of being put into scenes, I was told to

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<v Speaker 2>wait until full time cast members had finished talking, and

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<v Speaker 2>it made me feel oh yeah, I felt so I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to do with myself. I kept asking myself,

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<v Speaker 2>why am I here, What's going on? And it took

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<v Speaker 2>me a really long probably until the end of that

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<v Speaker 2>season to even feel comfortable, And then I felt really

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable again at the reunion. I just didn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to not be a full time cast member and how

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<v Speaker 2>to be there now.

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<v Speaker 1>I love I've said this all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm pigeonholing myself, but I really

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<v Speaker 2>do love the funeral, mostly because I get to just

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<v Speaker 2>do it and my family doesn't have to do it right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not to say that I wouldn't in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I'm really really comfortable like this, and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see it this season too. There's none of that

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of like inadequacy this season at all for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't genuinely don't feel that anymore. I like the

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<v Speaker 2>friend eral, But that being said, it was a really hard,

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<v Speaker 2>hard transition for me. Plus I wasn't in the best

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<v Speaker 2>place in terms of mental health, but that certainly it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly didn't help. Even though it wasn't my decision, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not easy at all. I went home and questioned

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<v Speaker 2>myself a lot, questioned my worth, questioned my identity.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's so key, right, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you got demoted as opposed to being put on pause, fired,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is, and what then? Right, So when, especially

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<v Speaker 3>with I would think a show like this to have

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<v Speaker 3>it encompasses you, Right, It's not just the three months

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<v Speaker 3>of filming, it's the entire year of social media and

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<v Speaker 3>events and trying to figure out what's coming next, and

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<v Speaker 3>so what happens when that goes away?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, So that's why I was so lucky, because I

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<v Speaker 2>got to stay in it and also be out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And since that time, I have become a master at

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<v Speaker 2>really compartmentalizing work. And I love this show and I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy my castmates, and I have some really true, genuine friendships.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can step back and let work be work,

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<v Speaker 2>and let the rest of my life be the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of my life, and I don't feel like that's always possible.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're full time.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does take over your life. And some people

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<v Speaker 2>love that and they wanted to take over their life.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it had become overwhelming. But I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that one of the hardest things about being demoted

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<v Speaker 2>was the social media, because no matter what I would

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<v Speaker 2>do on social media, there would be at least like

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred comments saying shut up you're demoted, or shut

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<v Speaker 2>up demotion or they called me demoted.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. It was like for a down like

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It made me feel really bad about myself and it

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<v Speaker 2>took me a while to get passed.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, and the truth is said, they weren't calling you demoted.

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<v Speaker 3>They were calling you a whore, a thief people on

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<v Speaker 3>social media. Social media is the devil. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>if they're not calling you one thing, at least that's

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<v Speaker 3>been what I've seen, they're calling you something else. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>demoted is like the lesser of many evils. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is really hard. I mean, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I still stayed honestly the friend role nothing has changed

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<v Speaker 2>except for the fact that my family doesn't film. I

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<v Speaker 2>still am invited to everything I go to, everything I do,

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of press. I also had a book come

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<v Speaker 2>out this year, so I'd said I had more press

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<v Speaker 2>than like anybody's, but I not anybody. I mean, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had a ton of press, more than I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, things haven't really changed so much, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't imagine going from all of this to

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly being knocked off the show and having none of

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<v Speaker 2>it anymore, because it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does dry up.

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<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing I think is when I watch housewives

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<v Speaker 3>who have like really rough seasons right like like go

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<v Speaker 3>through so much, seems so unhappy. I can't imagine being

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<v Speaker 3>in the spotlight. I mean, you think about someone like

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<v Speaker 3>Kyle who's been doing it for so long on Beverly Hills,

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<v Speaker 3>and what she's gone through, the ups and the downs,

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<v Speaker 3>and then but continuing to want it right, continuing to

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<v Speaker 3>sign on the dotted line, because what does it mean

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't, And what are you really losing if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not a public figure anymore, not a housewife anymore. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>all of this is not just applied to the housewives,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, but that's what you know, where we come from,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, why would you want to continue going

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<v Speaker 3>down that rat trap. It's not always that obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of positives in being a housewife. But you

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<v Speaker 3>see then when people do, you know, stop being housewives,

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<v Speaker 3>they want to do it again, or they want to

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<v Speaker 3>do an ultimate girls trip, or they want to do

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<v Speaker 3>another show, and so you know, what are they missing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not easy to be a housewife or a friend

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<v Speaker 3>of for that matter, and it's also very anxiety producing.

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<v Speaker 3>It is also an adventure and really can be just

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<v Speaker 3>so much fun. And of course there's so much about

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<v Speaker 3>it that's positive, but there are there's stuff that's negative.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a really decent paycheck, and we're forgetting that part,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and a lot of people need this money.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think everyone does. I don't think everyone does.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, no, no, obviously, but I think.

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<v Speaker 3>That I think without the paycheck that there would still

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<v Speaker 3>be that sort of panic after I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think eighty percent of the Housewolds wouldn't do it

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<v Speaker 2>if there wasn't a paycheck.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, I really do. I don't agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe for a year or two, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think without a paycheck, I think a lot of them

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<v Speaker 2>would not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting. I mean, look at Robin Dixon just left.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she made an official announcement yet, so

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<v Speaker 2>I could be wrong, but as of recording, it's being reported.

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<v Speaker 1>That she left at Candas Dillard.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Robin's husband has had a shaky job lately.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that he's working. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with that. But I can't imagine that she

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<v Speaker 1>would walk away from such a big paycheck if she's

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<v Speaker 1>the only one with a stable income right right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that, but you know, you know, also, I

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<v Speaker 3>think when I started we started recording my first season,

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<v Speaker 3>which was just whatever a season ago. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>the producers said to me, and I would have angst

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the you know, the filming of it and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that would go down. It was my first season, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was extremely uncomfortable and being me and being this neurotic,

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<v Speaker 3>there was stuff that just wouldn't just sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you've been doing this a while. I just didn't feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is work and this is life. It's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think those lines get very blurred, but the producer

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<v Speaker 3>said to me, I would be like, I can't do this,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, really, Let's see what happens after the

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<v Speaker 3>season airs.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see how you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see how you feel once you're a little famous,

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<v Speaker 3>because you'll be the only one that doesn't get addicted

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<v Speaker 3>to it. And so obviously I do think it's some money.

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<v Speaker 3>I do agree with you that you have to factor

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<v Speaker 3>in all of these things. But when you go from

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<v Speaker 3>being I mean, I'm not famous. You have been doing

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<v Speaker 3>this a lot longer than I have, Jackie, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>a different thing for you. But when you go from

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<v Speaker 3>getting so much attention and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't, I think that's an esteem thing. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>certainly it's an identity thing. And I know that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>because I am new to all of this. Still I

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<v Speaker 3>try to prep myself because, especially if I'm fifty five

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<v Speaker 3>years old, like, my trajectory is not to be the

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<v Speaker 3>next you, Teresa Judas. You won't see me in twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, being a housewife. So it's it's going to end,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it ends, this is it or it's going to.

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<v Speaker 2>End for everybody right flash, Like I don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be here in a decade from now,

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<v Speaker 2>like look back in twenty thirty four, and like it's

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<v Speaker 2>not happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well either way. Like I I try to keep myself

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<v Speaker 3>in check, like and the thing is, I have a

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<v Speaker 3>whole life outside, like all of us do outside of

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<v Speaker 3>this show. And I was it's my life was happy,

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<v Speaker 3>not always happy, but happy and you know, filled with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of good stuff before I got on the

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<v Speaker 3>Housewives of New Jersey. So I just always kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like doing a check because I see these housewives. They

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<v Speaker 3>get off and they've seem they're so eager to get

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<v Speaker 3>back on and they want their jobs back. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>a money thing, is it a fame thing, is it

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<v Speaker 3>an esteem thing? Is it an ego thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think some of them don't have very fulfilling

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<v Speaker 2>lives outside of the show. I really think that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have that much to go back to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>take somebody like and I really like this person, but

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<v Speaker 2>take somebody like Shannon, right, she's been on the show

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<v Speaker 2>along to Orange County. Shannon Shannon Badoor on Orange County.

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<v Speaker 2>She's great, bubbly, has beautiful children, but I believe she's

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<v Speaker 2>an empty nester.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think, right, they're all off in college.

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<v Speaker 2>And her relationship of the past three years is like

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<v Speaker 2>burned to the ground, and he's now dating one of

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<v Speaker 2>her ex friends very publicly. She just had a horrific,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, public embarrassing dui where she like hit house

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<v Speaker 2>and ran away, I mean like and she wants to

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<v Speaker 2>come back.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>That her life, her life felt very fulfilled outside of it,

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<v Speaker 2>she had a relationship that was special to her, or

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<v Speaker 2>she saw her kids all the time. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that I think she'd be in a healthy enough place

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<v Speaker 2>to say this is not working for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, think about though, think about like a Heather du

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<v Speaker 3>Bro and I would hope that we can like come

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<v Speaker 3>up with examples that are not just just housewives, because

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<v Speaker 3>housewise is any tiny they were in it is, But

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<v Speaker 3>there's also a whole world that there are people that

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<v Speaker 3>like our guest, who sort of go through you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being uber famous on TV and then not so. But

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<v Speaker 3>having said that, like a Heather who doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>me that she's doing it for the money, seems to

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<v Speaker 3>have a you know, you never know obviously what really

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<v Speaker 3>goes down with people, but adorable what it is for

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<v Speaker 3>adorable kids. They see her and Terry seem madly in love.

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<v Speaker 3>But if she keeps signing up for it and ps,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think every season is that easy for her.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she has a lot of really, really tough seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's that about that you? So? I think that

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<v Speaker 3>people can have full lives, but there's an addiction that

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<v Speaker 3>happens here. So it's I think it's the money. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's the fame. And what is that about? Like

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<v Speaker 3>if people don't recognize you, do you not feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you're enough?

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<v Speaker 2>If I think for a lot of people, that was

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<v Speaker 2>where I am was last year, but where I am

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<v Speaker 2>now is so drastically different.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this honestly. I am so not addicted to this.

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<v Speaker 2>You see the way I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't go to like the things like every I

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<v Speaker 2>don't go to the opening of an envelope the way

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody else does, like I pick and choose now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel the need to be in the center

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<v Speaker 2>because I know, based on the things I've done this

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<v Speaker 2>last year, I know that I can remain if I

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<v Speaker 2>want to remain in the spotlight. I don't need necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a show. There's a lot of other things I can do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that everybody believes that.

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<v Speaker 3>But what if you can't remain in the spotlight. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking about you, what I I think I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be okay, So that's the question, that's I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know I'm smart, I can do things right.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's say that you don't feel that way because

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<v Speaker 3>I work I talk about this a lot in therapy,

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<v Speaker 3>and so if you're not famous, if you can't make

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<v Speaker 3>yourself famous another way, right, So so I do really

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<v Speaker 3>work on trying to understand that, like the fame, being

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<v Speaker 3>at the top or being at the bottom, none of

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<v Speaker 3>it is really real, right, So if you're not in

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<v Speaker 3>touch with yourself and who you are. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to get all you know, therap pew dick and

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<v Speaker 3>but it's it's just what I do work on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I worked on it way before this show. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>say you know you're not at the top and you

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<v Speaker 3>get kicked off a show, or you know you're at

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<v Speaker 3>the very bottom trying to climb up, or at the

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<v Speaker 3>top trying to avoid getting you know, fire, whatever a

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<v Speaker 3>situation that's in it all goes back to the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that if you're not content, you know, within yourself, I

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<v Speaker 3>know that not only are you enough, Like and again

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry for all this. Hope this doesn't sound too corny,

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<v Speaker 3>but that you are okay, and you are loved, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're not more because you're famous, and you're not less

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<v Speaker 3>because you're famous, and it's all just a matter of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that feeling of loving yourself and not needing

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<v Speaker 3>attention from outside.

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<v Speaker 1>True and yes, but also you have to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there are other ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like we'll talk to our guests about but

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<v Speaker 2>like he had a very hard departure from his you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the show that defined him. But as we'll learn today,

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<v Speaker 2>he is embarking on some new ventures and they're really

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<v Speaker 2>really exciting and very big. It's very easy to think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is it and when one door closes, then

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<v Speaker 2>your life just closes down.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't want to. I think that it's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the trick. I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I try to prep my own self for,

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<v Speaker 3>like feeling all of this and this is such an

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<v Speaker 3>adventure and you know, being at a premiere and there's

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<v Speaker 3>cameras and oh my god, I can't you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelming and very exciting, but it doesn't I'm really I

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<v Speaker 3>really try hard. That's not what I want to define me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and that's not what I want to fill

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<v Speaker 3>me up. I wanted to be exciting in the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>have the fun, and then be able to step back

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<v Speaker 3>and know that if it went away, I'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was even thinking about like TJ and Amy.

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<v Speaker 3>TJ Holmes and Amy Robach. We talked about them last week.

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<v Speaker 3>But the way that they said aft you know, now

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<v Speaker 3>that they're not on Good Morning America, they would never

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<v Speaker 3>go back. I don't know what the future holds for

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<v Speaker 3>them exactly, but how they said that, they were really

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<v Speaker 3>so unhappy. You know, on Good Morning America, TJ spoke

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<v Speaker 3>about the depression that he battled and it got really

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<v Speaker 3>really bad for a while. But it's interesting because they

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<v Speaker 3>they were there, both of them were there for such

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<v Speaker 3>a long time, and they were they're both very famous,

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<v Speaker 3>both in the spotlight, and now they're not, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in some ways there's so much happier. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they do crave the spotlight back. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what they know. Their next move is but I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's always a mixed bag. But I definitely think that

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<v Speaker 3>for someone like our guests, we're being very mysterious about

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<v Speaker 3>the guest. And for a lot of housewives, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a housewife, I'm a friend of a housewife. But

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<v Speaker 3>if this is my last season, I am, there could

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<v Speaker 3>be a big I could have a big identity crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>I really really hope not, but it's certainly possible because

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<v Speaker 3>I see it, you know, with other people that have

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<v Speaker 3>been housewives or friends of how to handle that and

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<v Speaker 3>how to know that, like life goes on and you're

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<v Speaker 3>enough even if you walk into a restaurant and no

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<v Speaker 3>one knows who you are, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is actually and like I want me talking to plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of restaurants, and I am people like to get free

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<v Speaker 2>stuff all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, I might get like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Free canoli at the end of dinner, but like it's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I'm out at an event that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>invited to, of course they get free stuff. But like

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<v Speaker 2>in general, I'm paying for my meals. I pay for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm one of these people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>like to take advantage of small businesses. So I know

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of people are always like, you should get this

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<v Speaker 2>for free, you should get even people on our cast.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you should get that for free, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>get that. I don't want to I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course, everybody likes a freebie, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to ask for anything from a small

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<v Speaker 2>business that's not offering it for free, because I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that like that's I want to help.

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<v Speaker 1>Them succeed and thrive.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that a lot of small businesses or not

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<v Speaker 3>even small business, but they want the exposure quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so like if you highlight my company and

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<v Speaker 3>what we do, that'll bring more business. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff is negotiated like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If they approach me and they want it like that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one thing. But like to push a small business

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<v Speaker 2>to give me things for free is not great in

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<v Speaker 2>my personality.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that we like that on reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>And one thing that makes it really hard to stay

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<v Speaker 2>there and maybe a blessing in disguise when you do leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Not not me, I'm saying other people who have decided

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<v Speaker 2>to leave, is that it's the public really enjoys watching

0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:26.040
<v Speaker 2>people fail and canceling them and watching them discover their

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<v Speaker 2>spouse is cheating or having a mental breakdown or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having going bankrupt or getting a dui. Like the internet

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<v Speaker 2>goes crazy, we go crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Why? Why do we?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's and I say we because you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>the past, watching everything goes back to the housewise all

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.719
<v Speaker 3>rose lead back to houses. But watching housewives and there

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<v Speaker 3>were cast members or whatever characters that I really didn't like,

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<v Speaker 3>right that I thought, you know, this one is such

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<v Speaker 3>a bitch. And then something happened, and unfortunately I would

0:19:55.320 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 3>get satisfaction, not something necessarily was horri horrifying or I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not talking about you know, God forbid, like an illness

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<v Speaker 3>or a child or anything like that, but like when

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<v Speaker 3>you see someone kind of get theirs and I hate

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.879
<v Speaker 3>that part of myself and I know it's there and

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<v Speaker 3>it makes me human and I know for all of

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<v Speaker 3>us that's I mean, And that's a battle ife fight,

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<v Speaker 3>right too, even if I when you don't like someone,

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<v Speaker 3>still knowing that they're human and still praying for their health,

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<v Speaker 3>wealth and happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not easy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do sometimes myself when I really don't like

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<v Speaker 3>someone and I'm watching them on a housewives show, get

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<v Speaker 3>satisfaction out of like, ha, you know you got yours.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just I think it's a human response. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very human and but but it's also very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a and I'm not saying it's always wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying sometimes people do truly deserve to be canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, do we cancel people really? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's brutal and that I am not into the

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<v Speaker 3>cancel culture at Yeah, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Really into it either.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if somebody does something really terrible, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's one thing. But wow, we cancel curiously. We don't

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 2>cancel people for anti Semitism that easily.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a different episode. Yes, yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean my god, sometimes it feels like you can say

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<v Speaker 2>anything about us.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm with you there, sister. Yeah, we'll go into

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<v Speaker 1>that another time.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but what about you do you do you have

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<v Speaker 2>like this big fear of not being asked back?

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<v Speaker 3>No, And I know that you don't always even probably

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<v Speaker 3>don't even necessarily believe me because it feels like everybody

0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.439
<v Speaker 3>is so afraid of being not being asked BacT. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a fear about it. I have though at

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<v Speaker 3>a healthy self awareness that if I don't, my ego

0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.879
<v Speaker 3>will be bruised. And that's a different thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a fear that like my life won't go on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more an ego thing. And it's more like, oh,

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't good enough and they were better than me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am not proud of that. But it's not

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<v Speaker 3>like what will I do now? It's more, you know, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>when I was told that I was just going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a friend of at the beginning, when we were

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 3>all brought in, Danielle and Rachel and myself, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to be decided who was going to

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<v Speaker 3>go on to become a housewife, and it wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to stay a friend of anyway. That first,

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<v Speaker 3>the moment that I found out, and probably for a day,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like devastated, how dare you? I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I've spoken about this on the on this have we

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<v Speaker 3>spoken about this before here on the pod? Well, when

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<v Speaker 3>I found out, I was like, you know, how dare you?

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was just I was I found myself

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 3>getting choked up after hearing it, and I was just spinning.

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 3>And a friend of mine, her name is Marcy anyway, she.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to her about it and very upset,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to be kidding me. You have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to do something that is so exciting, and you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>to do it without having to expose so much. Have

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<v Speaker 3>people come into your home and you know, put Jeff

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<v Speaker 3>through cameras in his face, and although I think now

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:16.639
<v Speaker 3>Jeff probably would have loved it, but anyway, so you know,

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 3>you have like such a great scenario going here, and

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<v Speaker 3>what do you what do you at?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what do you want?

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<v Speaker 3>And I had to like stop, think it through, and

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, and I swear this is true

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 3>because I was like, well, I'm not gonna do it.

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 3>If I'm gonna I called the next day. I called

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<v Speaker 3>the producers not making this up, and I said, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>please ignore me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all my ego. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>I just felt like in that moment, this sense of rejection.

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 3>And even when I started, I was like, you know what,

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I'm going to be end up being

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<v Speaker 3>a housewife. I'll be a friend of a housewife. That'll

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 3>be great, but it's it. It was all my ego

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and it worked out for me beautifully, right. I had

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 3>a great time. We had a great time, and you

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 3>know it wasn't I watched some of our other cast

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 3>mates and they get it's just so invasive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jen, you want to know the honest truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think I've said this to you. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was just an age thing. And I don't

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>think that Bravo's agist. I just think that they're like,

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>they wanted young, young families. That's what Jersey is, It's families, agreed.

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I really think that you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you and I'm not just saying this because

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>you're my closest friend on the cast, but I think

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>that you have the most dynamic personality of the three movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. I think that people love you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen people drawn to a friend the way

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that they are to you, and I've never seen.

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>A friend grow so fast the way that you have.

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>But and people don't even realize you're a friend, Like

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>everyone just calls you a housewife. But I think that

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 2>that they want young families.

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<v Speaker 1>Firstly, I appreciate what you just said.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Jack, And yeah, I mean I was very

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 3>happy with the amount of you know, airtime I got

0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 3>and all of that worked out, and I agree that

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:03.639
<v Speaker 3>it is Jersey is a family franchise, and so of

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 3>course think that that has a lot to do that

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm an empty nester, you know. But I will say

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 3>that it was just an interesting ride for me the

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>first couple of days to go from like this feeling

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 3>of you know, rejection and inadequacy to wow, you dumb bitch,

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 3>like this is a great scenario for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember the next morning calling the producers insane

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 3>guys because I was huffing and puffing. I was like,

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 3>please forgive me. It was my ego. I'm good, this

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 3>is all great, So just forget what I said. And

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't just because I didn't, you know, even wanted

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 3>to stay on the show. And I was just like,

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 3>really just felt like my feelings were just hurt. Yeah,

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:48.879
<v Speaker 3>And so I was sort of reacting from that and

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 3>then I stepped back from it. But guess what then

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 3>again this past summer, when I was told I'm going

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 3>to be a friend of again, because I had people

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 3>saying are you going to be full time? I had

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 3>the same like like there was no I had the

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 3>same reaction, I was like, what, I was totally cool.

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, peace, well I.

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Was I was again my feelings were hurt. And then

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 3>again I swear I'm not making this up. The next day,

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you dumb bitch, get a grip, like

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 3>this was so fun the first time, it'll be fun

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 3>the second time.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want to say, with regard to the

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>people that have left the shows as of recording time,

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I hope that Candice has a really successful music career

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 2>because I think she's very talented and I thoroughly enjoy

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>her song drive Back.

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's such a bop, and I wish only

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a really.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Successful career for her. But so, why don't you announce

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>our guests?

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<v Speaker 3>You guys, we are really really excited. So today's guest,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 3>I think you probably all will know. He's somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>did a reality show for how many years?

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<v Speaker 1>Jack? Oh god, I don't even know. Forever, fifteen years? Well,

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't forever was right?

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 3>He was the heart and soul of a shifty years Okay,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 3>so he was the heart and soul of a show

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 3>you may know called The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest is Chris Harrison.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Chris Harrison, good afternoon, Good day to you. How's

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 4>it going, Good.

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Day to you. Well, it's going well. Now we are.

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 3>We've actually, you guys had the honor of being on

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Chris's podcast.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>That was a really really good day.

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 3>And we've been pressuring him to come on ours, and

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 3>he broke under the pressure.

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Finally I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally. First of all, congratulations because the podcast is doing

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 4>amazingly well. You guys are crushing it. The numbers have

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:39.719
<v Speaker 4>been fantastic.

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't surprise me that you guys have really resonated

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 4>with the fans and everybody. He's loving it. And so

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 4>I really don't do a lot of podcasts anymore because,

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 4>as you know, when you have your own podcast, you

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 4>kind of need to save all the good dirt.

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>True, Yeah, that's very true.

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 4>But I did. I broke down for you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So feel free not to answer anything you don't

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>want to answer, but we're going to ask all the questions.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>So now we won't we won't.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Put you on the spot, but we are excited to

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>congratulate you. We heard that you have a new TV comeback.

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us about it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this has been such a phenomenal blessing and kind

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 4>of I would say, a nice surprise, but we've been

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 4>working at it for a while, so it's not like

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 4>it just came out of nowhere. But we have joined

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 4>forces with Doctor Phil at Merritt Street Media. You know,

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 4>there was a big story a year or two ago

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 4>whatever when Doctor Phil decided to up and leave CBS,

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 4>and everyone's like, what in the world. He's the number

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 4>one talk show host. What is happening? And it's a

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 4>big deal for CBS to lose him. And he had

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 4>been quietly working behind the scenes to build and bought

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 4>a network that is called Merritt Street Media. It's debuting

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 4>April second. It'll be the biggest network debut ever, over

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 4>eighty million subscribers, from Dish to direct to all the

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 4>cable companies. And he came to us US, meaning Lauren

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 4>and I my wife, and we had our production company,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.719
<v Speaker 4>and he said, look, I think it's crazy you're not

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 4>on TV. I don't understand it. I want you back

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 4>on TV, and I want you to be working on

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 4>my show, Doctor Phil Primetime, kind of what he was

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 4>doing with Oprah, I will be doing with him. We've

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 4>already started taping those shows, but then he said, I

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 4>want you guys to think bigger. What do you want

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 4>to do? And so Lauren and I are in the

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 4>midst of cranking out a morning show. We're in the

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 4>hiring phase of that. There will also be a relationship show,

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 4>a reality show. And it is maybe the most incredible

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 4>exciting news I've had in my career. I mean so

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 4>pumped to be doing this.

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Are you the talent on the morning show where you're

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>just putting it together as a producer.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 4>No, Laura and I are going to be hosting it together.

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 4>We're going to take We're taking the magic of the

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 4>podcast and we're launching it into a morning show.

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 4>Working with Lauren is phenomenal. She is incredibly funny, very

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 4>good at improv, took you know, worked on improv for

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.719
<v Speaker 4>many years, has a great comedic note to her. But

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 4>she's also brilliant and smart and well read and pushes

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 4>me in.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what Jeff Sessler says about me. Yeah, like

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Worth would kill me if we were goodness. But so

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the dating show is it's different than The Bachelor? I'm

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>assuming of course.

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it'll be. It'll it'll be different. We won't say

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 4>how and what just yet, but it has been something

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 4>that this idea we we kind of hatched and then

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 4>I was this doctor Phil thing came and we went

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 4>and pitched it to him because now that I'm kind

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 4>of in the family and I want to keep everything

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 4>on Merritt Street. He bought it in the room and

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.479
<v Speaker 4>it really is refreshing because you know, you guys are

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 4>obviously in the industry. The industry has been dumped on

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 4>its head lately. Yeah, you know, everybody is contracting cutting.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 4>It's the business has become very much business and not

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 4>creative anymore. The people making the decisions are bean counters

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 4>and tech people, and they're not creatives who understand the

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 4>business who have many of them have never even created

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 4>television before, and they're making these huge decisions, and you're

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 4>seeing the repercussions. These streamers are struggling. They're either closing

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 4>their doors or they are massively cutting costs. Same thing

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of these studios. Now you have doctor

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 4>Phil who is doing the exact opposite. He is a host,

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 4>he has created before, and he's the one that's pulling

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 4>the strings and he is creating this network and it

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 4>has been so refreshing.

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I bet when do you think that started? When do

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>you think that switch began? And I don't know if

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 3>you're also talking about the way we were talking about

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>people getting canceled and buyed and all of that, and

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>we'll get into that certainly with you, but what do

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 3>you think that's about. When did that switch happen where

0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 3>it became about being counters making decisions and as opposed

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 3>to creative people being able.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>To do their thing.

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, Lauren and I talk about this a lot

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 4>because we're very much into the business, and we listened

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 4>to so many podcasts about this, and you know, you

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 4>would have to go there was first Netflix and Netflix

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 4>came on the scene and you remember like House of

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>Cards with Kevin Spacey and Lamon Wright and it was incredible.

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, you're hearing these numbers and

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 4>it's twenty million dollars for this and twenty million dollars

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 4>for this, and the right you're thinking to yourself, wait,

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 4>you have no advertising. You're charging four dollars or seven

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 4>dollars a month for subscription and you're paying one hundreds

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 4>of million dollars. This is not sustainable. This can't work,

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 4>and then you had this flood of Peacock and Hulu

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and you name it Paramount. Everybody was like, oh my god,

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 4>we got to have a streamer. Well, again, it's not

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 4>sustainable because you have no advertising dollars. Well, and seven

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 4>to ten dollars a month from a subscriber is not

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 4>going to make it possible to make a Game Thrones

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 4>or to make any of these incredible epic movies or shows.

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 4>And so I think you had the Amazons of the

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 4>world Apples of the world. To them, it's a rounding air.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 4>They don't care.

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 4>Amazon is not worried about making television. They hope you

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 4>buy underwear. They hope you're buying your shoes. So it's

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 4>a rounding air for them. If they lose money on

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 4>their streamer, it doesn't matter. Same thing with Apple. They're

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 4>the most cash flush company in the world. So if

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 4>they lose money on Masters of the Air with Tom

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Hanks and Spielberg, they don't care. It's not that big

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 4>of it. I mean, I say they don't care. They

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 4>would love to make money, but it's not a big

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.479
<v Speaker 4>deal because what they care about is that you and

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.959
<v Speaker 4>I are sitting here with our phones and then you

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 4>have apples and oranges, right, you have real studios like

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Disney and some of these you know, some of these

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 4>studios that they really need the content to work. That's

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 4>how they make their money. So when you have people

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 4>trying to make money off content and company that don't care,

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 4>something's got to give.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Very interesting and Merritt Street is going to be one

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 3>of those that actually care.

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 4>That the best name by the way, ever, well, it

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 4>was very intentional, doctor Phil was very intentional on merit

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 4>and earning the respect and trying to make television for

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 4>the rest of the country that feels like they've really

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 4>been left out of the conversation lately. Wow, and and

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.959
<v Speaker 4>kind of take over the debate world, and let's start

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 4>having television and news for those that don't want to

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 4>just win an argument. You would really like toy solve

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 4>problem A.

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm really excited to see you back on TV.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Was there any hesitation on your part, considering you got

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty beat up by the TV world by social media?

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Was there any hesitation?

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Not at all? You know, I luckily, you know, I

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 4>was divorced and went through a you know, I was

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 4>married for what seventeen eighteen years and then got divorced,

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 4>and I may I'm sure that after I got divorced,

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 4>because the one thing we all do, whether we go

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 4>through something tragic or grief or divorce, is there's that

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 4>snapback of like, oh my gosh, I need to start

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 4>dating again, or I need to get back out there,

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 4>I need to be back in a relationship. And I

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 4>was very good about pumping the brakes, giving myself time

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 4>to heal, grow, get my life back in order, and

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 4>then start dating again. I felt the same thing about

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 4>the Bacheler. I've been doing it for nineteen years, and

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 4>obviously there was that traumatic split with the Bachelor, and

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.959
<v Speaker 4>I pumped the brakes and just took some time off

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 4>and made sure I got my kids off to college

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 4>and enjoyed that. I fell in love and got married

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 4>to Lauren Zema and really got my sea legs back

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 4>under me. But now the fire was burning again, and

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 4>I really got to the point where the podcast was going.

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 4>But that's not enough for me. I want to do more.

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 4>And this came along and it was just the perfect timing.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 4>So when doctor Phil approached us and we went and

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 4>had lunch several times, and he says, I want you back,

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 4>there was no question, no has it at all, especially

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 4>considering how he's doing it and what this network stands for.

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 3>So I'm interested in two things. Well, first where in

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the kron a lot chronology of it all? The divorce

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 3>and your exit from the Bachelor?

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh uh, nowhere close? We were my divorce, I like

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 4>what twenty eleven? I think it was. So it was

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 4>a while ago, okay, and then took some time to

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 4>be single and dated and you know, it was in

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.479
<v Speaker 4>some relationships, and then you know, it took a while

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 4>to come back around and find the one and only

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Lauren Zema.

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, I ask you because I and this is obviously

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 3>where we're going with all of this. And I don't

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 3>know how much you've actually spoken about your exit from

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 3>the Bachelor, but I'm picturing a scenario that must have

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 3>been very, very difficult. So and then picturing divorce a

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 3>divorce into the mix. So I'm glad that you had

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 3>some separation from those two things. And maybe you're going

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 3>to tell us that it wasn't difficult, But I really

0:36:58.239 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 3>think that you are going to tell us that your

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 3>exit from the Bachelor was not pleasant.

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh, of course it was not pleasant. It was, and

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent I've said it's difficult, and it was difficult.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't wish that. I wouldn't wish what we went through.

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 4>And I say, well, because it was my family as

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 4>well on anybody. It was brutal. But at the same time, oddly,

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 4>and I really haven't spoken about this, it definitely helped

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 4>that I had gone through a divorce. Obviously, the divorce

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 4>it was public, but it wasn't as traumatic and crazy

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 4>and it wasn't as sensationalized as the departure from The

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 4>Bachelor was. But at the same time, the lessons you

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 4>learn when you go through things in life. You know,

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 4>for example, if I had if what I had gone

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 4>through with the Bachelor separation had happened when I was

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 4>thirty years old, thirty five years old, it would I

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 4>would not have handled it and been able to cope

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 4>with it as well as going through it at forty

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 4>nine or fifty or how well, however old I was

0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 4>at the time. Experience helps in anything, go through it life.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Chris, I love this because we are, you know, talking

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 3>about well we talk. We always refer a lot to

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 3>the Housewives for obvious reasons, but of course, but how

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 3>to handle that feeling of being, you know, of losing

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote relevance and your whole identity. I would think

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>so much of it was I hope not, but I'm

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 3>assuming was wrapped up and being the host of the Bachelor.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 3>But you'd been through this before, You've been through this

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>sort of loss and these changes, and it's I would

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>love for you to speak more to that, like what

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>could you bring into the loss of the Bachelor from

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>your divorce and how how did you maintain?

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how did you get through it?

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, I was demoted at one point and

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>it was quite a traumatic to my identity and it

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>took me a while to find my way back.

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 4>I always and you know it's funny, I always preached

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 4>and lived by a certain value in a code that

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 4>luckily came to fruition during my separation of the Bachelor,

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 4>and that was I never identified myself from what I did.

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 4>I was never a big Hollywood guy. I never defined

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 4>myself by being the Bachelor host. That was not my being.

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 4>My being was being a good dad, being a good husband,

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 4>being a great friend. All my friends, most if not

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 4>all of them, trying to think aren't in the business

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 4>at all. The weird thing about The Bachelor was especially

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 4>early on we were kind of the bastard stepchild of television,

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, long before Housewives and all that. This reality

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 4>TV thing was not welcomed by the community. I remember

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 4>going to the upfronts and Lloyd Brown was the president

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 4>of ABC and I was on stage at the I

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 4>think it was Radio City Music Hall in New York,

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 4>and they're announcing all the fall schedules for what's coming up,

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 4>and it's like, according to Jim and NYPD Blue and

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.399
<v Speaker 4>they're like, and I hate to say it, it's unfortunate,

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I hope it dies a miserable death.

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 4>But the Bachelor's coming to ABC. And I'm like, I

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 4>really felt like, you know, the prostitute of like, sure,

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 4>everybody wants to sleep with us, nobody wants to be seen.

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>At lunch with us. That's so funny.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 4>It's funny, and it's funny the because you know, when

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.640
<v Speaker 4>there's change in the industry, when there's change in life,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 4>the norm fights back, right. So TV writers and producers

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 4>and even actors were like, they're taking our jobs, they're

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 4>ruining the business. And you know, my whole thing was

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 4>I've never seen a great television show that everybody loves

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 4>be canceled for anything, much less amen a reality show.

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 4>If you have a great show that's doing well, trust me,

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 4>it's not going anywhere. But the funny thing is is

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.399
<v Speaker 4>then everything does a oneint eighty and all those people

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 4>who are bitching and moaning are now hosting game shows,

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 4>hosting reality shows are a part of those shows or

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 4>producing shows. So everybody came around. But early days, it

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 4>was really funny how we were treated, and so I

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 4>was totally I was never really a part of the

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Hollywood community, and I never lived in Hollywood. I always

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 4>lived outside of you know, out of LA and you know,

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 4>raised my kids. And I was the only person, you know,

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 4>in the Housewives. There's a group of you. Well, for me,

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 4>I was the only host that stayed. I was the

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 4>only constant, you know. The Bachelor and bacherettes came and went,

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 4>and so I never really had a cast to hang

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 4>out with. When I would go promote it at ABC

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 4>or other events, I was by myself, and so it

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 4>was a very weird existence but also probably beneficial in

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 4>the end.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I just absolutely love everything you just said because and

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 3>I would love to adopt it for myself. And we're

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 3>talking about one day it's going to be over. Maybe

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.359
<v Speaker 3>one day soon it'll be over for me, and it has.

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can't compare. I've been on a Friend

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 3>of the housewive for two years. For two minutes, it

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 3>feels like Jackie's been on a lot longer. But to

0:41:55.920 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>have that sense of identity that can't be swayed by

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 3>being canceled or even fired, right, like you're saying, you

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 3>were filled with children and friendships and living somewhere else.

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 3>So maybe it didn't take you down in the same

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 3>way that it would up if you were younger.

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 2>But I think you also trusted the process and knew

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 2>that other things were to come because you believed in

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 2>your talent and what in your drive, right.

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 4>And I think at the end of the day, you

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 4>got to believe in yourself, and you believe. I know

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm a good man, I know my values, I know

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 4>everything that I've stood for for my entire life, much

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 4>less than nineteen years that people have gotten to know

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 4>me on the show, And so I wasn't worried about

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 4>some of the things that were being said about me

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 4>because I just I know they're not true, right, It

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't affect me in that way. It definitely affected my

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 4>life and it affected me, but at that part I

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 4>knew I'm a big believer in karma, and I just

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 4>know the truth will come out and I know people will,

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 4>good people win in the end. I truly believe that,

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 4>big optimist. But you know, I also think and i'd

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 4>be interested to throw this back on the two of you.

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 4>I know it was easier for me because I'm a host,

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 4>and while you saw my life somewhat and you got

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 4>to know me, I was the host of the show,

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 4>whereas with you too and all the housewives, the show

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 4>is about your life technically, you know, is everything one

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 4>hundred percent real? No, But it's still you, it's your values.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 4>We're watching your lives, your marriages, your divorces. So I'm

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 4>just curious how the two of you can walk that line.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 4>It was maybe a little bit easier for me as

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 4>a host.

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:36.919
<v Speaker 3>That's that's I think more a question for you, Jack,

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 3>only because you've been doing it for longer.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how did I walk that lot?

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>How did I?

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:41.439
<v Speaker 5>Well?

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I think are you saying that because it was part

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 3>of your actual personal life.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>So how was it for me to step back from that?

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 4>How does it? How does that not define your how?

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 2>And when I look around at all the other house eyes,

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean at Bravocon, I was looking around and like,

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that most of the people in that room

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>feel defined. They are a housewife first and foremost, and

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>it was a really really hard transition. It does define you,

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's something that I feel very grateful to

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>have been able to step back and work on myself

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>and realize that it doesn't, because it actually allowed me

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>to do a lot of other creative things in the

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 2>past year.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a book, I started a podcast, I have

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:24.240
<v Speaker 1>some other projects starting.

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think I would have been able to

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>do that had my entire life been defined by housewives.

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 4>And I guess we should also differentiate because people might

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 4>be listening and thinking, well, this is what you're known for,

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.879
<v Speaker 4>and there's something different. I understand what I'm known for,

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 4>and I understand, you know, like tonight, Jason Tartick is

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.240
<v Speaker 4>here in Austin, Texas. He's doing a big book launch

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 4>for his new book, and Lauren and I are going

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 4>to go support him. I understand that and I understand. Like,

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 4>I just went back home to Missouri. My son was

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 4>playing lacrosse at Missoo and so we went up there

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 4>because Lauren went to school at Miszoo College kids. Everybody

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 4>was coming up and talking about The Bachelor. And I

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 4>understand what I'm known for. And I will never fight that.

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm never one of those people of like, hey,

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to Merritt Street, Please don't bring up The Bachelor.

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Believe me to be proud of it.

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Of course I am.

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 4>I you know, I'm not proud of everything, but I'm

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 4>very proud of what I did. We've made television history

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 4>over twenty years, and so I will never fight that.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 4>And I understand what I'm known for. I guess what

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm I just want to make sure there's a clarification

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 4>of uh, like what Jackie's saying. I understand what you're

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 4>known for, But what defines your right right? What do

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 4>you allow in your heart and soul of When I

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 4>wake up in the morning of like, Okay, I'm the

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 4>Bachelor guy, It's like, no, I'm I'm a husband, I'm

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 4>a dad, I'm a good friend.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 3>Can I ase you a personal question that you don't

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 3>have to answer, Well, I'm asking you if I can,

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to so, but you don't have to answer it.

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 3>So I'm I mean, I talk a lot about the

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 3>fact that I've been in therapy for years and years

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 3>and years, twenty years, but I work on this still

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 3>almost every time every week. And when I say that

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 3>I work on it, not oh my god, if I

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 3>lose my position is the house I have more sort

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:25.399
<v Speaker 3>of like my identity and becoming comfortable with who I am.

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sorry again, I'm just I feel like I'm

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 3>just very corny on this whole episode, but like loving

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 3>myself right. But I'm wondering if therapy was something that

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 3>you've ever been in, or you know, maybe even after

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 3>you left the Bachelor it was, or you just naturally

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 3>are this conference and resilient. Yeah, a secure man.

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Number one, I believe in therapy. Number two, I have

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 4>gone to therapy. I went to therapy. Started. The first

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 4>time I ever saw a therapist is back probably in

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 4>my divorce phase, like ty ten twenty eleven, as I

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 4>was unwinding. It was a seventeen year marriage. But I've

0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 4>been been with this person, my ex wife, since my

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 4>sophomore year of college when you're eighteen nineteen years old,

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 4>and then you know, when you go from eighteen or

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 4>nineteen to forty, that is you know, those are massive

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 4>years of your life of growing and things where we

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 4>should have been dating and getting broken up with and

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 4>so there was a lot of growing and learning I

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 4>had to do and needed to do. And when I

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 4>started dating again, I mean think about that. You're eighteen

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 4>nineteen years old and you stop, and when I say

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 4>you stop, it's like you kind of stop developing to

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 4>a certain degree, right because you have this one person

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 4>in your life. So I'm not dating anymore. I'm not

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 4>learning how to you know, break up, love, all this,

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, heartbreak. And so then all of a sudden,

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm forty years old and it's like, okay, now I

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 4>have a little bit of money, a little bit of fame,

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 4>start dating again. Oh my god, It's like there's a

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 4>comedy in there. Believe me, because it was a mess.

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 4>So I hundred percent believe in in therapy. And my

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 4>daughter actually is a psychology major going into child development.

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 4>So we talk about that a lot in our family.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Can I ask you a question?

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 2>There was an article an interview that you gave in

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that was published in December, and you said that you

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 2>had to remove yourself from a toxic situation and that

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't healthy. Were you talking about the show itself

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>or the process by which you were you left the show?

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Because I think we all have opinions on The Bachelor?

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh no, no, And so the thing about The

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 4>Bachelor is the show was an amazing creation and it

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 4>really was revolutionized reality TV and dating shows. I mean,

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 4>you look at what's happening today. There is I've always said,

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 4>there's an insatiable appetite for romance and love. And so

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 4>you see these other shows that have kind of taken

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 4>the mantle of the big shows, whether it's Love Is

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Blind or even a buddy of mine produced f Boy Island,

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 4>And you know, so there's this huge spectrum of shows

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 4>now that are doing very well. So there's still this

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 4>appetite for love and romance. And look, did we do

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.839
<v Speaker 4>everything perfect over the nineteen years I was there?

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 4>Are they probably? And I haven't watched the show. Are

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 4>they still doing everything perfectly? Probably?

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Not?

0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 4>But that wasn't what I was referring to. I was

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 4>more referring to the world with which I was working

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 4>in thing too detailed.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you think there's also an insatiable appetite for heartbreak and.

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Watching the person get stood up the other person and

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 2>watching them take him home and meet their families and

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 2>then get dumped the next day. I just think that

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>it's such a I don't know, we enjoy watching.

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, we're talking about that at the beginning of

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 3>this episode down Fall the heartbreak. And I don't like

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 3>to admit that about myself, but I do everybody. I

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.160
<v Speaker 3>have those moments when I'm watching reality TV and I'm

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 3>not a fan of whomever. I wish that I, you know,

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 3>could be different, but I'm human and sometimes it's fun

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 3>to see, you know, somebody get there, somebody get theirs.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 4>And look we all. I think, if you you know,

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 4>it's funny. I just spoke to the journalism school up

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 4>at Missouri and I said the same I said the

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 4>same thing. We were talking about this exact topic. If

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 4>you asked people like it's it's take it to politics.

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 4>When we give these exit polls for politics, you know

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:30.720
<v Speaker 4>the pundits on TV this, how often are those exit

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 4>polls actually right? Very few times? It's you know, people

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 4>will vote in private speak publicly we watch TV, and

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 4>private we will talk publicly, meaning we will say that

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 4>we love the romance, we love a love story. We

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 4>like it, you know, the fairy tale ending. But even

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 4>in any Disney movie, you know what's it start with.

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.919
<v Speaker 4>It usually starts with a parent being murdered, and then

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 4>you get to the happy ending. And that's Disney for

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 4>crying out last night, So we all will you know,

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 4>in Nascar events, do we want to just see cars

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 4>drive around in a circle. No, it's the idea that

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.680
<v Speaker 4>at any moment, at two hundred miles per hour, this

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 4>car could roll and burst into flames, and often it

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 4>does happen. And so there when I watched The Housewives,

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 4>same thing. I don't want to just see a bunch

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.760
<v Speaker 4>of ladies get together and have mimosas and just giggle.

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.759
<v Speaker 4>You want to see the trama to see exactly if.

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Of course, you have to have conflict. Any good movie,

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 4>any good book, any good story has conflict, and so

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 4>every good television show, reality or otherwise has to have

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 4>that conflict as well, and then you want the resolution.

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Did you get the sense from social media after your

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.840
<v Speaker 3>departure that people are enjoying your downfall, because as somebody

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 3>who watched The Bachelor and watched you on it for

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 3>so long, I found it heartbreaking, and because you know,

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 3>you weren't part of the mix, you weren't a character.

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 3>You were the host, and you were a loving host,

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 3>and you were a respectful host and a fun to watch.

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 3>But I'm wondering if you felt some of that, like

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.920
<v Speaker 3>your fall from Greece was.

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 4>I would add much to this. I would say, much

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 4>to the chagrin of probably just a few people, it

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:15.799
<v Speaker 4>was overwhelmingly positive, good from day one.

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad.

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I felt publicly to this day. People come up

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 4>to me and it's nothing but love and respect and

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 4>admiration and this thing we all shared again. I was

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 4>at Missoo this weekend and these college kids come in

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, hey, I grew up watching your show.

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 4>My mom and I would watch your show and it

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 4>meant a lot to me. And sadly, a lot of

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 4>them say they don't watch anymore, and that's that's unfortunate

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 4>that you know they.

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You feel like that's unfortunate. You don't like that just

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Well, honestly, this is well, this is a weird thing,

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 4>because yes, the ratings have plummeted, and there's, of course,

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.879
<v Speaker 4>there's probably a part of me that's like, okay, good,

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad the show is, you know, half of what

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.359
<v Speaker 4>it used to be when I was there. But there's

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 4>this other side of me that doesn't want it to

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 4>go away because it was something I built, and I

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 4>was part of the construction process of this thing, and

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 4>I built this franchise and was the face and voice

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 4>of it for two decades. And you know, that's almost

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 4>two generations of people growing up that have watched this show,

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 4>and I know a lot of people that are still

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:25.760
<v Speaker 4>on that show. And when people talk about people being fired,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 4>we hear this a lot in sports, of like this

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:30.920
<v Speaker 4>guy should be fired, fire the coach, And I'm like, man,

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 4>as someone who's gone through and I wasn't fired, But

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, someone who broke away from a

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 4>job that he'd had for a long time. I'm just

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.880
<v Speaker 4>really reluctant to call for anybody's job, or to wish

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:47.320
<v Speaker 4>anybody to lose a job, because it affects so many people,

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, behind the scenes. Even if you wanted, like

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 4>the executive one EP or whoever you're really mad at them. Well,

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:56.839
<v Speaker 4>the photographers, the camera guys. You guys have know you've

0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.760
<v Speaker 4>been on set, the audio craft services. The ripple effect

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.799
<v Speaker 4>is huge and there's a lot of jobs on the line,

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 4>so I don't wish them ill will in that way.

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you about being an empty

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 2>nester and how that's like I've been time and.

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear about that too. And Lauren. We

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>want to hear about Lauren. Yeah.

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:25.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean, first of all, the greatest thing that ever

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 4>happened to me in my life. She has just been

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:34.240
<v Speaker 4>She's been a godsend, truly, and it is the most

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 4>wonderful thing. And I tell people that are looking for

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 4>love and you're out there and you're single, or you're like,

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I've been looking forever. Hey, if you

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 4>really break it down, and I had a wonderful marriage

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.200
<v Speaker 4>that had that created two beautiful kids. But at the

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 4>same time, I don't know if I found the love

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.320
<v Speaker 4>of my life until I was fifty years old, if

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.920
<v Speaker 4>you think about it. So, you know, when I hear

0:54:56.920 --> 0:54:58.920
<v Speaker 4>people that are in their twenties, thirties and forties like,

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:00.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, oh my god, gosh, oh my gosh, what

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 4>was me, and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm just

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 4>now really to this point in my life at fifty

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 4>two years old, where I think I got this thing

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 4>dialed in, so be patient.

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Amen. I love that.

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:13.280
<v Speaker 4>And I would just say as far as the empty

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 4>nesting goes, and I hope my kids aren't listening, but

0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 4>oh my gosh, it's so wonderful what I said.

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Jackie Feels said, Hey, I'm in terror. I don't know

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 5>what I myself. Amen, brother, Oh my god. And I'm sorry,

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm getting a little too excited.

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Heart. I love it. I love it as long as

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>my kids are happy.

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, if one when one of your kids are

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 3>not happy, then you're not happy. And it's but knowing

0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.399
<v Speaker 3>that they're both good and enjoying their lives and then

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 3>getting to wake up and not have to raise children.

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I'm not sorry.

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a joy.

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 4>There's a there's an old saying, and I didn't invent this,

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.239
<v Speaker 4>but it is very true that if you put in

0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:56.680
<v Speaker 4>the work early on with children, you do less work

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 4>later in life. I feel like I really in the

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.359
<v Speaker 4>work early on, and so did my ex wife, who

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 4>by the way, is an amazing mother and still is

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 4>and her husband. She got remarried. He is wonderful to

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 4>my kids. Lauren has been an unbelievable addition to my kids' lives.

0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 4>But putting in that work early on allows you to

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:18.919
<v Speaker 4>enjoy this phase of life because they are now there's

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 4>still kids. My daughter's twenty, my son's twenty two. They're

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.000
<v Speaker 4>wonderful human beings. And now I'm at the phase of

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't have to parent as much as kind of

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 4>guide and give some advice. But it's at the phase

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 4>of we're heading into graduation and he's looking at apartments

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.399
<v Speaker 4>and trying to get a job, and now it's giving

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 4>him adult advice on life.

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly where you are to that next phase. Yeah.

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 4>We just spent spring break with my daughter and some

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 4>of her sorority sisters, and it's just fun. It's a

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 4>fun stage in life. And I loved every stage. When

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 4>I was coaching Little League and going to piano recitals.

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.440
<v Speaker 4>I love that too. But I'm done with that.

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, like that too.

0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 4>That next the next time I do that, it'll be

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 4>with my grandkids. Well, and let's hope.

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's not lead people on though, Chris, it's still ain't easy,

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 3>at least for me. Maybe I still feel like, what

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 3>do they say that a boy's brain isn't developed until

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>he's twenty six, a girl maybe twenty four, and I'd

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 3>say fifty two fifty for men, right, I mean there's

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>still it still comes with challenges, but there is oh,

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.720
<v Speaker 3>of course, a freedom you know that I haven't had

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 3>since I gave birth at age thirty one.

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's another identity thing. I think I

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 2>have to work on not making mother my whole identity either.

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, and you do, and Lauren and I talk about that, Jackie,

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 4>and it's something I think it's one of the leading

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 4>causes of divorces in this country. And you have to

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 4>be very careful because oftentimes, and oftentimes it is the

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 4>woman who has stayed at home and has defined herself

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:51.000
<v Speaker 4>of being an amazing mom, room mother, running the pta,

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, you name it, just being involved. Well, when

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.080
<v Speaker 4>that stops, and it doesn't stop in college, it usually

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 4>stops earlier. When they get to high school, they just

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 4>need you less, and then they are driving and they

0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 4>need you even less than that, and it's hard to oh,

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 4>my gosh, after fifteen years, I have defined myself by

0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 4>being this pillar and now, now what what do I do?

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:17.320
<v Speaker 4>And that often causes a lot of strife and contention

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 4>in a relationship. You have to be very cognizant of

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 4>that of kind of re entry and helping each other

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 4>get back over that hurdle.

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 3>All of this goes back to what we're talking about

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 3>in the sense that when you lose the Housewives or

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, certainly a way bigger scenario, you were the

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 3>host of the Bachelor for nineteen years and that ends,

0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 3>you stop being a stay at home mom. All of

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 3>this is about I guess identity and so trying to

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 3>find out who you are before any of this ends,

0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 3>and being enough before that you got it and after

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 3>it goes away.

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's there's a check.

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 4>There's a little piece of lead. I'm looking at it

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 4>right now. It's on my desk behind me, and it

0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:58.120
<v Speaker 4>sits there and it has for many years. My mom

0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 4>gave it to me. Is what would you attempt to

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 4>do if you knew you could not fail? And the

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:07.080
<v Speaker 4>whole point of that is I've never been afraid to fail.

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.000
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if this comes from my sports background.

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 4>I played sports my whole life and in college, but

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 4>putting yourself out there on that tightrope and not being

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 4>afraid to fall. Some people will keep themselves from ever

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 4>doing anything in life because the what if, what if

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 4>this happens? What if I fail? What if I make

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 4>an ass of myself and I get embarrassed. I have

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 4>never lived like that. I'm a big optimist. And so

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 4>as soon as the backsher went away, Yes, I had

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:33.800
<v Speaker 4>to lick my wounds and I got kicked in the gut,

0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 4>and it got toxic, and it was crazy, and it

0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.440
<v Speaker 4>was very public, and I had to wait for the

0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 4>turmoil to calm down. But almost immediately my theory and

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 4>my thought was what's next. This is just now an

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:49.320
<v Speaker 4>opportunity to show everybody what's next. And by the way,

0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Merritt Street has the potential to be a disaster. It

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 4>could go up in flames. It is a startup. At

0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, it is a wonderful startup

0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of money and some unbelievably big names.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Harvey was just added to the roster. He announced

1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:08.120
<v Speaker 4>that Nancy Grace, doctor Phil myself, Lauren Zima. So there

1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.840
<v Speaker 4>is some serious ass talent coming to this network. So

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:14.200
<v Speaker 4>it probably won't but it's a startup, and trying to

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.960
<v Speaker 4>start up a network in this day and age is

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<v Speaker 4>very hard. So I'm putting myself out there in something

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<v Speaker 4>that I could fail at. You can't sit there and go,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my gosh, what if something I create isn't as

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<v Speaker 4>big as The Bachelor was? I can tell you it

1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 4>won't be. I probably will never do another show that

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<v Speaker 4>has thirty three million viewers watching it, and by the way,

1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 4>either will The Bachelor ever again. I don't know if

1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 4>anything will ever exist, but having a home run like

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:46.640
<v Speaker 4>that is probably once in a lifetime. But it won't

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<v Speaker 4>stop me from trying to do that again. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that is the difference of you got to just

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<v Speaker 4>you can't care so much about what everyone else is

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<v Speaker 4>going to say because I know people are going to

1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.040
<v Speaker 4>pan it. I know people will rip me on social media.

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<v Speaker 4>Who care? So I'm not doing it for you. Just

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<v Speaker 4>put yourself out there and get going again. I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>excited to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>On speed Dial, I was going to be therapist Jackie.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, Chris, you got to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to more housewives. Yeah, you've got it like this, you

1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:17.280
<v Speaker 3>are going to be the housewife whisper because I love

1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:18.960
<v Speaker 3>that thing on your deak me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that me too.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, just the idea that it's okay and

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:24.760
<v Speaker 3>and something else will come, and it may not be people.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everybody is craving fame and fortune, right so but

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<v Speaker 3>for you know, those that are not that are just

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<v Speaker 3>worried about the kids leaving and a new identity that way,

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<v Speaker 3>But how to feel good about that, How to not

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<v Speaker 3>define yourself by what's happened in your past.

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<v Speaker 1>So when can we watch you? When is it going

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<v Speaker 1>to be up and running?

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<v Speaker 4>April second, the network starts, So we're going up to

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas Fort Worth, which is where the studio is. It's

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<v Speaker 4>this amazing five acre facility. And by the way, if

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<v Speaker 4>you're in the DFW area, Doctor Phil his uh live audience,

1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.720
<v Speaker 4>he's taking his prime So he's taken his show and

1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:00.680
<v Speaker 4>he's going to take it to Primetime. So Doctor Phil

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:03.880
<v Speaker 4>Primetime is kind of his old show but kind of

1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:08.160
<v Speaker 4>on steroids. And he built this beautiful studio for himself.

1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.720
<v Speaker 4>But within that there's a newsroom we're doing morning news,

1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.600
<v Speaker 4>evening news, and a newsroom like I've never seen before.

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<v Speaker 4>There's three or four other sound stages. We're gonna shoot

1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 4>movies and commercials there that can be rented out, and

1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.160
<v Speaker 4>then there's like three or four other just studios, like

1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 4>one will be used for our talk show. And so

1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:28.320
<v Speaker 4>this facility is unlike anything I've ever seen. And they

1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:31.360
<v Speaker 4>have live studio audience. You can go check out Doctor Phil.

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<v Speaker 4>So starting April second, he'll be doing his show live

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<v Speaker 4>at Primetime. I will be on some of those shows,

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<v Speaker 4>and then eventually we'll get the daily morning show going

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<v Speaker 4>and then also the talk show. But we got to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we have to cast the show. We have

1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:47.320
<v Speaker 4>to staff those things up and get it going. That's

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<v Speaker 4>going to take a minute. And the great thing with

1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Doctor Phil is this network and this is where to

1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:55.920
<v Speaker 4>go back to our original conversation. It's so different than

1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:58.920
<v Speaker 4>streamers or network TV. It's like, Okay, we have to

1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:04.840
<v Speaker 4>get institutional money, we have to get advertising. We will

1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.240
<v Speaker 4>get advertising, but we can kind of get our own

1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 4>like we can go out and just cut our own deals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really bizarre where he's kind of cut this thing

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<v Speaker 4>back to the original way TV is done. Of like

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<v Speaker 4>we'll go straight to a company and say, hey, you

1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:19.840
<v Speaker 4>want to be a part of our show. Come sponsor

1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:23.400
<v Speaker 4>our show. We are not owned by bigger conglomerates, so

1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:26.680
<v Speaker 4>we are not controlled by a ABC Disney. We're not

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<v Speaker 4>controlled and so number one, we don't have to speak

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.880
<v Speaker 4>how they want us to speak. We can cover whatever

1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.520
<v Speaker 4>we want. Doctor Phil can do whatever he wants, so

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<v Speaker 4>we don't have to go into the principal's office later

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<v Speaker 4>and say, oh, you don't want me to cover this story.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too controversial. Oh, your advertisers may not like this,

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<v Speaker 4>So we won't mention this. And we're not going to preach.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not going to tell you what we feel. We're

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<v Speaker 4>going to just tell you the facts. And Doctor Phil

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<v Speaker 4>is amazing at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that so much. Can you get us tickets

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<v Speaker 3>or no, you hook us up?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? Oh we've been so, I've been to a dozen

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<v Speaker 4>shows and I've been on. I've already taped three or

1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:06.360
<v Speaker 4>four of his shows and then we go up and

1:04:06.360 --> 1:04:09.600
<v Speaker 4>depending on the subject matter, I'll get involved. And he's

1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.680
<v Speaker 4>doing some amazing shows and it really runs the gamut

1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:14.600
<v Speaker 4>and I've I've loved it. It's you know, he is

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:17.800
<v Speaker 4>someone I've admired for so many years, and I didn't

1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.800
<v Speaker 4>realize obviously he was on Oprah before, but The Bachelor

1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:24.320
<v Speaker 4>and Doctor Phil started the same year really two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and one, two thousand and two, and so to be

1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:30.800
<v Speaker 4>hosting with him, and we're on stage a lot together.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like this awesome masterclass of like being on with

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<v Speaker 4>someone who is so damn good at what they do.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, not to pat myself on the back,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm really good at what I do, Creed, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we kind of we really compliment each other and

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of that game recognizes game. So I really

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<v Speaker 4>have a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I can see when you're talking about this you

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<v Speaker 2>are like just lit up, animated SI.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy for you and wishing you and Lauren

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<v Speaker 2>and doctor Phil all the success in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't wait to watch you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you guys, our listeners, keep the faith. Man, look

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<v Speaker 3>at this and you know there's life after life, right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just made out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes everything. Yeah, oh cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing's too big, nothing's too big that we can't overcome it.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing man, you're my new therapist. Well, we loved having

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<v Speaker 1>you on.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you so grateful. Well, congratulations to the

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<v Speaker 4>two of you. Speaking of launching something that's been amazingly successful.

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<v Speaker 4>Very proud of you. I'm happy to be even a

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<v Speaker 4>small part of this endeavor that you two have started,

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<v Speaker 4>and love you too and wish you the very best.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, appreciate it. He was amazing, very inspiring.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed. I really he could be my therapist.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that listeners, you guys, can take away from

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<v Speaker 3>some of this because it's such a bigger there's such

1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:52.000
<v Speaker 3>a bigger picture, and it's not just about like what

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<v Speaker 3>do you do when you're not a housewife anymore? Or

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<v Speaker 3>what do you do when you're not like you lose

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<v Speaker 3>a job you've had your whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>Even like a friend, like anything that ends, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to separate who you truly are from

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<v Speaker 2>that one part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really hard. He seems to have like mastered that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. He's just he's amazing, and you're amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're amazing. Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, guys, I love this episode, me too, And until

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<v Speaker 2>love you, guys, love us back, and we will see

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<v Speaker 1>Jay's out