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Speaker 1: Hey everybody.

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Speaker 2: By you guys, we are two Jersey Jays and Jackie Goldschneider.

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Speaker 1: I'm Den Fessler.

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Speaker 2: We're so excited today we have one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: people on as our guest, but we have.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get to before then. Yes, we certainly do.

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Speaker 1: We do.

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Speaker 2: As I was driving here this morning, news was breaking

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Speaker 2: about some people leaving some of the Bravo shows and.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I lost my voice, and I like, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Rasby like this, but I.

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Speaker 3: Can't seem to get We're gonna excrase it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, people are leaving some of the shows.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the timing of that, although unfortunate I'm sure

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Speaker 3: for lots of viewers, and potentially even for the Housewives, Uh, unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunate though it is maybe for them, it sort of

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Speaker 3: works out for us because our topic today is sort

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Speaker 3: of what happens after you lose you or I don't

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Speaker 3: know about identity, because I don't know that our guests

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Speaker 3: would agree that it was an identity that he lost.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you go from being famous and

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you're not, whether it's at

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Speaker 3: you're canceled, or you leave a show that you've been,

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Speaker 3: you know, part of for so long, and I guess

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Speaker 3: it's different if you decide to leave. But even if

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Speaker 3: you do decide to leave.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're fired or put on pause or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: that is a big piece of your identity, it is,

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Speaker 2: and when you are separated from that, you can really

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Speaker 2: have an identity crisis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've seen it. I've

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Speaker 3: not been close friends with anyone that has gone through it,

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Speaker 3: but it, you know, would unfolds in social media, and

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Speaker 3: it feels like it's very, very hard for people to rebound. Specifically,

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Speaker 3: I think Housewives I'm talking about, but certainly there are

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Speaker 3: plenty of famous people that all of a sudden they're

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Speaker 3: not in the spotlight anymore for whatever reason. I mean, Jack,

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Speaker 3: you've been doing Housewives way longer than I have, and

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Speaker 3: you know you've gone through some stuff, but you probably

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Speaker 3: are more of an expert in terms of like speaking

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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 1: Right well, I mean my.

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Speaker 2: Step back to friend role from full time. Even though

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Speaker 2: that was something that I had spoken to Bravo about

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Speaker 2: and we all decided that was best considering my mental

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Speaker 2: stata at the time, it was still very hard for me.

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Speaker 2: And when I started filming my fifth season suddenly as

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Speaker 2: a friend instead of a full time cast member. My

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Speaker 2: head was spinning. I was so upset. All the time,

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Speaker 2: I felt really insecure. I would walk into rooms and

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Speaker 2: instead of being put into scenes, I was told to

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Speaker 2: wait until full time cast members had finished talking, and

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Speaker 2: it made me feel oh yeah, I felt so I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with myself. I kept asking myself,

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Speaker 2: why am I here, What's going on? And it took

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Speaker 2: me a really long probably until the end of that

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable again at the reunion. I just didn't know how

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Speaker 2: to not be a full time cast member and how

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Speaker 2: to be there now.

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Speaker 1: I love I've said this all the time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm pigeonholing myself, but I really

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Speaker 2: do love the funeral, mostly because I get to just

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Speaker 2: do it and my family doesn't have to do it right,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say that I wouldn't in the future.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm really really comfortable like this, and

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Speaker 2: you'll see it this season too. There's none of that

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Speaker 2: feeling of like inadequacy this season at all for me.

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Speaker 2: I don't genuinely don't feel that anymore. I like the

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Speaker 2: friend eral, But that being said, it was a really hard,

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Speaker 2: hard transition for me. Plus I wasn't in the best

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Speaker 2: place in terms of mental health, but that certainly it

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Speaker 2: certainly didn't help. Even though it wasn't my decision, it

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Speaker 2: was not easy at all. I went home and questioned

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Speaker 2: myself a lot, questioned my worth, questioned my identity.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's so key, right, And I mean,

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Speaker 3: you got demoted as opposed to being put on pause, fired,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, and what then? Right, So when, especially

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Speaker 3: with I would think a show like this to have

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Speaker 3: it encompasses you, Right, It's not just the three months

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Speaker 3: so what happens when that goes away?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, So that's why I was so lucky, because I

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Speaker 2: got to stay in it and also be out of it.

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Speaker 2: And since that time, I have become a master at

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Speaker 2: really compartmentalizing work. And I love this show and I

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Speaker 2: enjoy my castmates, and I have some really true, genuine friendships.

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Speaker 2: But I can step back and let work be work,

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Speaker 2: and let the rest of my life be the rest

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Speaker 2: of my life, and I don't feel like that's always possible.

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Speaker 1: If you're full time.

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Speaker 2: It really does take over your life. And some people

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Speaker 2: love that and they wanted to take over their life.

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Speaker 2: For me, it had become overwhelming. But I will tell

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Speaker 2: you that one of the hardest things about being demoted

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Speaker 2: was the social media, because no matter what I would

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Speaker 2: do on social media, there would be at least like

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Speaker 2: one hundred comments saying shut up you're demoted, or shut

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Speaker 2: up demotion or they called me demoted.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was like for a down like

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Speaker 1: it was. It was really hard.

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Speaker 2: It made me feel really bad about myself and it

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Speaker 2: took me a while to get passed.

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Speaker 3: Listen, and the truth is said, they weren't calling you demoted.

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Speaker 3: They were calling you a whore, a thief people on

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Speaker 3: social media. Social media is the devil. So it's like,

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Speaker 3: if they're not calling you one thing, at least that's

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Speaker 3: been what I've seen, they're calling you something else. Maybe

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Speaker 3: demoted is like the lesser of many evils. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but it is really hard. I mean, I didn't have

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Speaker 3: to do this.

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Speaker 2: I still stayed honestly the friend role nothing has changed

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Speaker 2: except for the fact that my family doesn't film. I

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Speaker 2: still am invited to everything I go to, everything I do,

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Speaker 2: a ton of press. I also had a book come

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Speaker 2: out this year, so I'd said I had more press

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Speaker 2: than like anybody's, but I not anybody. I mean, but

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Speaker 2: I had a ton of press, more than I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: So for me, things haven't really changed so much, right,

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Speaker 2: But I can't imagine going from all of this to

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Speaker 2: suddenly being knocked off the show and having none of

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Speaker 2: it anymore, because it.

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Speaker 1: Does dry up.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing I think is when I watch housewives

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Speaker 3: who have like really rough seasons right like like go

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Speaker 3: through so much, seems so unhappy. I can't imagine being

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Speaker 3: and then but continuing to want it right, continuing to

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Speaker 3: if you don't, And what are you really losing if

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Speaker 3: you're not a public figure anymore, not a housewife anymore. Again,

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Speaker 3: all of this is not just applied to the housewives,

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Speaker 3: of course, but that's what you know, where we come from,

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Speaker 3: and you know, why would you want to continue going

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Speaker 3: down that rat trap. It's not always that obviously, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of positives in being a housewife. But you

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Speaker 3: see then when people do, you know, stop being housewives,

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Speaker 3: they want to do it again, or they want to

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Speaker 3: do an ultimate girls trip, or they want to do

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Speaker 3: another show, and so you know, what are they missing.

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Speaker 3: It's not easy to be a housewife or a friend

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Speaker 3: of for that matter, and it's also very anxiety producing.

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Speaker 3: It is also an adventure and really can be just

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Speaker 3: so much fun. And of course there's so much about

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Speaker 3: it that's positive, but there are there's stuff that's negative.

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Speaker 2: There's also a really decent paycheck, and we're forgetting that part,

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Speaker 2: you know, and a lot of people need this money.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think everyone does. I don't think everyone does.

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, obviously, but I think.

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Speaker 3: That I think without the paycheck that there would still

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Speaker 3: be that sort of panic after I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think eighty percent of the Housewolds wouldn't do it

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I really do. I don't agree.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe for a year or two, but I

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Speaker 2: think without a paycheck, I think a lot of them

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I mean, look at Robin Dixon just left.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she made an official announcement yet, so

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but as of recording, it's being reported.

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Speaker 1: That she left at Candas Dillard.

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Speaker 2: I know that Robin's husband has had a shaky job lately.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he's working. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on with that. But I can't imagine that she

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Speaker 1: would walk away from such a big paycheck if she's

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Speaker 1: the only one with a stable income right right now.

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Speaker 3: I get that, but you know, you know, also, I

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Speaker 3: think when I started we started recording my first season,

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Speaker 3: throughout the you know, the filming of it and stuff

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Speaker 3: that would go down. It was my first season, and

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Speaker 3: it was extremely uncomfortable and being me and being this neurotic,

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Speaker 3: there was stuff that just wouldn't just sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: you've been doing this a while. I just didn't feel like, well,

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Speaker 3: this is work and this is life. It's it's you know,

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Speaker 3: I think those lines get very blurred, but the producer

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Speaker 3: said to me, I would be like, I can't do this,

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Speaker 3: and he said, really, Let's see what happens after the

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Speaker 3: season airs.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how you feel.

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Speaker 3: Let's see how you feel once you're a little famous,

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Speaker 3: because you'll be the only one that doesn't get addicted

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Speaker 3: to it. And so obviously I do think it's some money.

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Speaker 3: I do agree with you that you have to factor

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Speaker 3: in all of these things. But when you go from

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Speaker 3: being I mean, I'm not famous. You have been doing

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Speaker 3: this a lot longer than I have, Jackie, so it's

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Speaker 3: a different thing for you. But when you go from

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Speaker 3: getting so much attention and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you don't, I think that's an esteem thing. It's a

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Speaker 3: certainly it's an identity thing. And I know that I'm

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Speaker 3: because I am new to all of this. Still I

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Speaker 3: years old, like, my trajectory is not to be the

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Speaker 3: next you, Teresa Judas. You won't see me in twenty years,

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Speaker 3: you know, being a housewife. So it's it's going to end,

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Speaker 3: whether it ends, this is it or it's going to.

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Speaker 2: End for everybody right flash, Like I don't think anybody

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Speaker 2: is going to be here in a decade from now,

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Speaker 2: like look back in twenty thirty four, and like it's

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Speaker 2: not happening.

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Speaker 3: Well either way. Like I I try to keep myself

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Speaker 3: in check, like and the thing is, I have a

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Speaker 3: whole life outside, like all of us do outside of

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Speaker 3: this show. And I was it's my life was happy,

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Speaker 3: not always happy, but happy and you know, filled with

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Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff before I got on the

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Speaker 3: Housewives of New Jersey. So I just always kind of

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Speaker 3: like doing a check because I see these housewives. They

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Speaker 3: get off and they've seem they're so eager to get

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying sometimes people do truly deserve to be canceled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's brutal and that I am not into the

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Speaker 3: No, And I know that you don't always even probably

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Speaker 3: will be bruised. And that's a different thing. I don't

437
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: have a fear that like my life won't go on.

438
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: It's more an ego thing. And it's more like, oh,

439
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't good enough and they were better than me,

440
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: and I am not proud of that. But it's not

441
00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 3: like what will I do now? It's more, you know, Well,

442
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: when I was told that I was just going to

443
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: be a friend of at the beginning, when we were

444
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: all brought in, Danielle and Rachel and myself, and then

445
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: it was going to be decided who was going to

446
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: go on to become a housewife, and it wasn't me.

447
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: I was going to stay a friend of anyway. That first,

448
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: the moment that I found out, and probably for a day,

449
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: I was like devastated, how dare you? I feel like

450
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: I've spoken about this on the on this have we

451
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 3: spoken about this before here on the pod? Well, when

452
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: I found out, I was like, you know, how dare you?

453
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: And then I was just I was I found myself

454
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: getting choked up after hearing it, and I was just spinning.

455
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: And a friend of mine, her name is Marcy anyway, she.

456
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: I was talking to her about it and very upset,

457
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 3: and she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like,

458
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 3: you've got to be kidding me. You have an opportunity

459
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: to do something that is so exciting, and you're getting

460
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: to do it without having to expose so much. Have

461
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: people come into your home and you know, put Jeff

462
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: through cameras in his face, and although I think now

463
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 3: Jeff probably would have loved it, but anyway, so you know,

464
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: you have like such a great scenario going here, and

465
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: what do you what do you at?

466
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: Like, what do you want?

467
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: And I had to like stop, think it through, and

468
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, and I swear this is true

469
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 3: because I was like, well, I'm not gonna do it.

470
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna I called the next day. I called

471
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: the producers not making this up, and I said, guys,

472
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: please ignore me.

473
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: It was all my ego. I'm good.

474
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: I just felt like in that moment, this sense of rejection.

475
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: And even when I started, I was like, you know what,

476
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to be end up being

477
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: a housewife. I'll be a friend of a housewife. That'll

478
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: be great, but it's it. It was all my ego

479
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: and it worked out for me beautifully, right. I had

480
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: a great time. We had a great time, and you

481
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: know it wasn't I watched some of our other cast

482
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: mates and they get it's just so invasive.

483
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Jen, you want to know the honest truth.

484
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: And I don't think I've said this to you. I

485
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: think it was just an age thing. And I don't

486
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: think that Bravo's agist. I just think that they're like,

487
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: they wanted young, young families. That's what Jersey is, It's families, agreed.

488
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: I really think that you.

489
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: I think you and I'm not just saying this because

490
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: you're my closest friend on the cast, but I think

491
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: that you have the most dynamic personality of the three movies.

492
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that people love you.

493
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen people drawn to a friend the way

494
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: that they are to you, and I've never seen.

495
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: A friend grow so fast the way that you have.

496
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: But and people don't even realize you're a friend, Like

497
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: everyone just calls you a housewife. But I think that

498
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: that they want young families.

499
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: Firstly, I appreciate what you just said.

500
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jack, And yeah, I mean I was very

501
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: happy with the amount of you know, airtime I got

502
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: and all of that worked out, and I agree that

503
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: it is Jersey is a family franchise, and so of

504
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: course think that that has a lot to do that

505
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm an empty nester, you know. But I will say

506
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: that it was just an interesting ride for me the

507
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: first couple of days to go from like this feeling

508
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: of you know, rejection and inadequacy to wow, you dumb bitch,

509
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 3: like this is a great scenario for you.

510
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?

511
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: And I remember the next morning calling the producers insane

512
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: guys because I was huffing and puffing. I was like,

513
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: please forgive me. It was my ego. I'm good, this

514
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: is all great, So just forget what I said. And

515
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: it wasn't just because I didn't, you know, even wanted

516
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: to stay on the show. And I was just like,

517
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: really just felt like my feelings were just hurt. Yeah,

518
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: And so I was sort of reacting from that and

519
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: then I stepped back from it. But guess what then

520
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: again this past summer, when I was told I'm going

521
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: to be a friend of again, because I had people

522
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: saying are you going to be full time? I had

523
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: the same like like there was no I had the

524
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: same reaction, I was like, what, I was totally cool.

525
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, peace, well I.

526
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: Was I was again my feelings were hurt. And then

527
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 3: again I swear I'm not making this up. The next day,

528
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: I was like, you dumb bitch, get a grip, like

529
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: this was so fun the first time, it'll be fun

530
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: the second time.

531
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I guess is here.

532
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, with regard to the

533
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: people that have left the shows as of recording time,

534
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: I hope that Candice has a really successful music career

535
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: because I think she's very talented and I thoroughly enjoy

536
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: her song drive Back.

537
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: I think it's such a bop, and I wish only

538
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: a really.

539
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: Successful career for her. But so, why don't you announce

540
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: our guests?

541
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: You guys, we are really really excited. So today's guest,

542
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 3: I think you probably all will know. He's somebody that

543
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: did a reality show for how many years?

544
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: Jack? Oh god, I don't even know. Forever, fifteen years? Well,

545
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: I can't forever was right?

546
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: He was the heart and soul of a shifty years Okay,

547
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: so he was the heart and soul of a show

548
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: you may know called The Bachelor.

549
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Our guest is Chris Harrison.

550
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 4: Hi, Chris Harrison, good afternoon, Good day to you. How's

551
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: it going, Good.

552
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Day to you. Well, it's going well. Now we are.

553
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: We've actually, you guys had the honor of being on

554
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: Chris's podcast.

555
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: That was a really really good day.

556
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: And we've been pressuring him to come on ours, and

557
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: he broke under the pressure.

558
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: Finally I did.

559
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 4: Finally. First of all, congratulations because the podcast is doing

560
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: amazingly well. You guys are crushing it. The numbers have

561
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 4: been fantastic.

562
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: Thank you.

563
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me that you guys have really resonated

564
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: with the fans and everybody. He's loving it. And so

565
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: I really don't do a lot of podcasts anymore because,

566
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: as you know, when you have your own podcast, you

567
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: kind of need to save all the good dirt.

568
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: True, Yeah, that's very true.

569
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: But I did. I broke down for you too.

570
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So feel free not to answer anything you don't

571
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: want to answer, but we're going to ask all the questions.

572
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: So now we won't we won't.

573
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Put you on the spot, but we are excited to

574
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: congratulate you. We heard that you have a new TV comeback.

575
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about it?

576
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been such a phenomenal blessing and kind

577
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 4: of I would say, a nice surprise, but we've been

578
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: working at it for a while, so it's not like

579
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 4: it just came out of nowhere. But we have joined

580
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: forces with Doctor Phil at Merritt Street Media. You know,

581
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: there was a big story a year or two ago

582
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 4: whatever when Doctor Phil decided to up and leave CBS,

583
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: and everyone's like, what in the world. He's the number

584
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: one talk show host. What is happening? And it's a

585
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: big deal for CBS to lose him. And he had

586
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: been quietly working behind the scenes to build and bought

587
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: a network that is called Merritt Street Media. It's debuting

588
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: April second. It'll be the biggest network debut ever, over

589
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: eighty million subscribers, from Dish to direct to all the

590
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: cable companies. And he came to us US, meaning Lauren

591
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: and I my wife, and we had our production company,

592
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 4: and he said, look, I think it's crazy you're not

593
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: on TV. I don't understand it. I want you back

594
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: on TV, and I want you to be working on

595
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: my show, Doctor Phil Primetime, kind of what he was

596
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: doing with Oprah, I will be doing with him. We've

597
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: already started taping those shows, but then he said, I

598
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: want you guys to think bigger. What do you want

599
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: to do? And so Lauren and I are in the

600
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: midst of cranking out a morning show. We're in the

601
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: hiring phase of that. There will also be a relationship show,

602
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: a reality show. And it is maybe the most incredible

603
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: exciting news I've had in my career. I mean so

604
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: pumped to be doing this.

605
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: Are you the talent on the morning show where you're

606
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: just putting it together as a producer.

607
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: No, Laura and I are going to be hosting it together.

608
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: We're going to take We're taking the magic of the

609
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: podcast and we're launching it into a morning show.

610
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: I love that.

611
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: Working with Lauren is phenomenal. She is incredibly funny, very

612
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: good at improv, took you know, worked on improv for

613
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 4: many years, has a great comedic note to her. But

614
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: she's also brilliant and smart and well read and pushes

615
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: me in.

616
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Jeff Sessler says about me. Yeah, like

617
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Worth would kill me if we were goodness. But so

618
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: the dating show is it's different than The Bachelor? I'm

619
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: assuming of course.

620
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: Yes, it'll be. It'll it'll be different. We won't say

621
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: how and what just yet, but it has been something

622
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: that this idea we we kind of hatched and then

623
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: I was this doctor Phil thing came and we went

624
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: and pitched it to him because now that I'm kind

625
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: of in the family and I want to keep everything

626
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: on Merritt Street. He bought it in the room and

627
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 4: it really is refreshing because you know, you guys are

628
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: obviously in the industry. The industry has been dumped on

629
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: its head lately. Yeah, you know, everybody is contracting cutting.

630
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: It's the business has become very much business and not

631
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: creative anymore. The people making the decisions are bean counters

632
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: and tech people, and they're not creatives who understand the

633
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: business who have many of them have never even created

634
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: television before, and they're making these huge decisions, and you're

635
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: seeing the repercussions. These streamers are struggling. They're either closing

636
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: their doors or they are massively cutting costs. Same thing

637
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: with a lot of these studios. Now you have doctor

638
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: Phil who is doing the exact opposite. He is a host,

639
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: he has created before, and he's the one that's pulling

640
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: the strings and he is creating this network and it

641
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: has been so refreshing.

642
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: I bet when do you think that started? When do

643
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: you think that switch began? And I don't know if

644
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: you're also talking about the way we were talking about

645
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: people getting canceled and buyed and all of that, and

646
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: we'll get into that certainly with you, but what do

647
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: you think that's about. When did that switch happen where

648
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: it became about being counters making decisions and as opposed

649
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: to creative people being able.

650
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: To do their thing.

651
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: You know, Lauren and I talk about this a lot

652
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: because we're very much into the business, and we listened

653
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: to so many podcasts about this, and you know, you

654
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: would have to go there was first Netflix and Netflix

655
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: came on the scene and you remember like House of

656
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: Cards with Kevin Spacey and Lamon Wright and it was incredible.

657
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you're hearing these numbers and

658
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: it's twenty million dollars for this and twenty million dollars

659
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: for this, and the right you're thinking to yourself, wait,

660
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: you have no advertising. You're charging four dollars or seven

661
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: dollars a month for subscription and you're paying one hundreds

662
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: of million dollars. This is not sustainable. This can't work,

663
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: and then you had this flood of Peacock and Hulu

664
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: and you name it Paramount. Everybody was like, oh my god,

665
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: we got to have a streamer. Well, again, it's not

666
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: sustainable because you have no advertising dollars. Well, and seven

667
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: to ten dollars a month from a subscriber is not

668
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: going to make it possible to make a Game Thrones

669
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: or to make any of these incredible epic movies or shows.

670
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: And so I think you had the Amazons of the

671
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: world Apples of the world. To them, it's a rounding air.

672
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: They don't care.

673
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: Right.

674
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: Amazon is not worried about making television. They hope you

675
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: buy underwear. They hope you're buying your shoes. So it's

676
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: a rounding air for them. If they lose money on

677
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: their streamer, it doesn't matter. Same thing with Apple. They're

678
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: the most cash flush company in the world. So if

679
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: they lose money on Masters of the Air with Tom

680
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: Hanks and Spielberg, they don't care. It's not that big

681
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: of it. I mean, I say they don't care. They

682
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: would love to make money, but it's not a big

683
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 4: deal because what they care about is that you and

684
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 4: I are sitting here with our phones and then you

685
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: have apples and oranges, right, you have real studios like

686
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: Disney and some of these you know, some of these

687
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: studios that they really need the content to work. That's

688
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: how they make their money. So when you have people

689
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: trying to make money off content and company that don't care,

690
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: something's got to give.

691
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: Very interesting and Merritt Street is going to be one

692
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: of those that actually care.

693
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: That the best name by the way, ever, well, it

694
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 4: was very intentional, doctor Phil was very intentional on merit

695
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: and earning the respect and trying to make television for

696
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: the rest of the country that feels like they've really

697
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: been left out of the conversation lately. Wow, and and

698
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 4: kind of take over the debate world, and let's start

699
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: having television and news for those that don't want to

700
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: just win an argument. You would really like toy solve

701
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 4: problem A.

702
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: Well, I'm really excited to see you back on TV.

703
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: Was there any hesitation on your part, considering you got

704
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: pretty beat up by the TV world by social media?

705
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Was there any hesitation?

706
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: Not at all? You know, I luckily, you know, I

707
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: was divorced and went through a you know, I was

708
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: married for what seventeen eighteen years and then got divorced,

709
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: and I may I'm sure that after I got divorced,

710
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: because the one thing we all do, whether we go

711
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: through something tragic or grief or divorce, is there's that

712
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: snapback of like, oh my gosh, I need to start

713
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: dating again, or I need to get back out there,

714
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: I need to be back in a relationship. And I

715
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: was very good about pumping the brakes, giving myself time

716
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: to heal, grow, get my life back in order, and

717
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: then start dating again. I felt the same thing about

718
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: the Bacheler. I've been doing it for nineteen years, and

719
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: obviously there was that traumatic split with the Bachelor, and

720
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 4: I pumped the brakes and just took some time off

721
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: and made sure I got my kids off to college

722
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 4: and enjoyed that. I fell in love and got married

723
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: to Lauren Zema and really got my sea legs back

724
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: under me. But now the fire was burning again, and

725
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: I really got to the point where the podcast was going.

726
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: But that's not enough for me. I want to do more.

727
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: And this came along and it was just the perfect timing.

728
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 4: So when doctor Phil approached us and we went and

729
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: had lunch several times, and he says, I want you back,

730
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: there was no question, no has it at all, especially

731
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: considering how he's doing it and what this network stands for.

732
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: So I'm interested in two things. Well, first where in

733
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: the kron a lot chronology of it all? The divorce

734
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: and your exit from the Bachelor?

735
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: Oh uh, nowhere close? We were my divorce, I like

736
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: what twenty eleven? I think it was. So it was

737
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: a while ago, okay, and then took some time to

738
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: be single and dated and you know, it was in

739
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 4: some relationships, and then you know, it took a while

740
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: to come back around and find the one and only

741
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: Lauren Zema.

742
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Right.

743
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, I ask you because I and this is obviously

744
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: where we're going with all of this. And I don't

745
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: know how much you've actually spoken about your exit from

746
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: the Bachelor, but I'm picturing a scenario that must have

747
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: been very, very difficult. So and then picturing divorce a

748
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: divorce into the mix. So I'm glad that you had

749
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: some separation from those two things. And maybe you're going

750
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: to tell us that it wasn't difficult, But I really

751
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: think that you are going to tell us that your

752
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: exit from the Bachelor was not pleasant.

753
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: Oh, of course it was not pleasant. It was, and

754
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: one hundred percent I've said it's difficult, and it was difficult.

755
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: I wouldn't wish that. I wouldn't wish what we went through.

756
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: And I say, well, because it was my family as

757
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: well on anybody. It was brutal. But at the same time, oddly,

758
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 4: and I really haven't spoken about this, it definitely helped

759
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: that I had gone through a divorce. Obviously, the divorce

760
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 4: it was public, but it wasn't as traumatic and crazy

761
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: and it wasn't as sensationalized as the departure from The

762
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: Bachelor was. But at the same time, the lessons you

763
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: learn when you go through things in life. You know,

764
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: for example, if I had if what I had gone

765
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: through with the Bachelor separation had happened when I was

766
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: thirty years old, thirty five years old, it would I

767
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: would not have handled it and been able to cope

768
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 4: with it as well as going through it at forty

769
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: nine or fifty or how well, however old I was

770
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: at the time. Experience helps in anything, go through it life.

771
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: Chris, I love this because we are, you know, talking

772
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: about well we talk. We always refer a lot to

773
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: the Housewives for obvious reasons, but of course, but how

774
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: to handle that feeling of being, you know, of losing

775
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: quote unquote relevance and your whole identity. I would think

776
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: so much of it was I hope not, but I'm

777
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: assuming was wrapped up and being the host of the Bachelor.

778
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: But you'd been through this before, You've been through this

779
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: sort of loss and these changes, and it's I would

780
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: love for you to speak more to that, like what

781
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: could you bring into the loss of the Bachelor from

782
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: your divorce and how how did you maintain?

783
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you get through it?

784
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: Because I mean, I was demoted at one point and

785
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: it was quite a traumatic to my identity and it

786
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: took me a while to find my way back.

787
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: I always and you know it's funny, I always preached

788
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: and lived by a certain value in a code that

789
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: luckily came to fruition during my separation of the Bachelor,

790
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: and that was I never identified myself from what I did.

791
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 4: I was never a big Hollywood guy. I never defined

792
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: myself by being the Bachelor host. That was not my being.

793
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: My being was being a good dad, being a good husband,

794
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: being a great friend. All my friends, most if not

795
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: all of them, trying to think aren't in the business

796
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: at all. The weird thing about The Bachelor was especially

797
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: early on we were kind of the bastard stepchild of television,

798
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 4: you know, long before Housewives and all that. This reality

799
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: TV thing was not welcomed by the community. I remember

800
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: going to the upfronts and Lloyd Brown was the president

801
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: of ABC and I was on stage at the I

802
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: think it was Radio City Music Hall in New York,

803
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: and they're announcing all the fall schedules for what's coming up,

804
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 4: and it's like, according to Jim and NYPD Blue and

805
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 4: they're like, and I hate to say it, it's unfortunate,

806
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: and you know, I hope it dies a miserable death.

807
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: But the Bachelor's coming to ABC. And I'm like, I

808
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: really felt like, you know, the prostitute of like, sure,

809
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: everybody wants to sleep with us, nobody wants to be seen.

810
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: At lunch with us. That's so funny.

811
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 4: It's funny, and it's funny the because you know, when

812
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: there's change in the industry, when there's change in life,

813
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 4: the norm fights back, right. So TV writers and producers

814
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: and even actors were like, they're taking our jobs, they're

815
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: ruining the business. And you know, my whole thing was

816
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: I've never seen a great television show that everybody loves

817
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 4: be canceled for anything, much less amen a reality show.

818
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: If you have a great show that's doing well, trust me,

819
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: it's not going anywhere. But the funny thing is is

820
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 4: then everything does a oneint eighty and all those people

821
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: who are bitching and moaning are now hosting game shows,

822
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: hosting reality shows are a part of those shows or

823
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: producing shows. So everybody came around. But early days, it

824
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: was really funny how we were treated, and so I

825
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: was totally I was never really a part of the

826
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 4: Hollywood community, and I never lived in Hollywood. I always

827
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: lived outside of you know, out of LA and you know,

828
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: raised my kids. And I was the only person, you know,

829
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: in the Housewives. There's a group of you. Well, for me,

830
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 4: I was the only host that stayed. I was the

831
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: only constant, you know. The Bachelor and bacherettes came and went,

832
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 4: and so I never really had a cast to hang

833
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: out with. When I would go promote it at ABC

834
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 4: or other events, I was by myself, and so it

835
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: was a very weird existence but also probably beneficial in

836
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: the end.

837
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: I just absolutely love everything you just said because and

838
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: I would love to adopt it for myself. And we're

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: talking about one day it's going to be over. Maybe

840
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: one day soon it'll be over for me, and it has.

841
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't compare. I've been on a Friend

842
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: of the housewive for two years. For two minutes, it

843
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: feels like Jackie's been on a lot longer. But to

844
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: have that sense of identity that can't be swayed by

845
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: being canceled or even fired, right, like you're saying, you

846
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: were filled with children and friendships and living somewhere else.

847
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: So maybe it didn't take you down in the same

848
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: way that it would up if you were younger.

849
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: But I think you also trusted the process and knew

850
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: that other things were to come because you believed in

851
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: your talent and what in your drive, right.

852
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: Is that true?

853
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: Well?

854
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: And I think at the end of the day, you

855
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: got to believe in yourself, and you believe. I know

856
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: I'm a good man, I know my values, I know

857
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: everything that I've stood for for my entire life, much

858
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: less than nineteen years that people have gotten to know

859
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: me on the show, And so I wasn't worried about

860
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: some of the things that were being said about me

861
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 4: because I just I know they're not true, right, It

862
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: didn't affect me in that way. It definitely affected my

863
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: life and it affected me, but at that part I

864
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: knew I'm a big believer in karma, and I just

865
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: know the truth will come out and I know people will,

866
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 4: good people win in the end. I truly believe that,

867
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: big optimist. But you know, I also think and i'd

868
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: be interested to throw this back on the two of you.

869
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: I know it was easier for me because I'm a host,

870
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: and while you saw my life somewhat and you got

871
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: to know me, I was the host of the show,

872
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: whereas with you too and all the housewives, the show

873
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: is about your life technically, you know, is everything one

874
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: hundred percent real? No, But it's still you, it's your values.

875
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: We're watching your lives, your marriages, your divorces. So I'm

876
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: just curious how the two of you can walk that line.

877
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: It was maybe a little bit easier for me as

878
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 4: a host.

879
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: That's that's I think more a question for you, Jack,

880
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: only because you've been doing it for longer.

881
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, how did I walk that lot?

882
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: Like?

883
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: How did I?

884
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 5: Well?

885
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: I think are you saying that because it was part

886
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: of your actual personal life.

887
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: So how was it for me to step back from that?

888
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: How does it? How does that not define your how?

889
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: And when I look around at all the other house eyes,

890
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I mean at Bravocon, I was looking around and like,

891
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: I think that most of the people in that room

892
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: feel defined. They are a housewife first and foremost, and

893
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: it was a really really hard transition. It does define you,

894
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: and that's that's something that I feel very grateful to

895
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: have been able to step back and work on myself

896
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: and realize that it doesn't, because it actually allowed me

897
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: to do a lot of other creative things in the

898
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: past year.

899
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I wrote a book, I started a podcast, I have

900
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: some other projects starting.

901
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: And I don't think I would have been able to

902
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: do that had my entire life been defined by housewives.

903
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: And I guess we should also differentiate because people might

904
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: be listening and thinking, well, this is what you're known for,

905
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 4: and there's something different. I understand what I'm known for,

906
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: and I understand, you know, like tonight, Jason Tartick is

907
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 4: here in Austin, Texas. He's doing a big book launch

908
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: for his new book, and Lauren and I are going

909
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: to go support him. I understand that and I understand. Like,

910
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: I just went back home to Missouri. My son was

911
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: playing lacrosse at Missoo and so we went up there

912
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: because Lauren went to school at Miszoo College kids. Everybody

913
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: was coming up and talking about The Bachelor. And I

914
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 4: understand what I'm known for. And I will never fight that.

915
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: You know, I'm never one of those people of like, hey,

916
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to Merritt Street, Please don't bring up The Bachelor.

917
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 4: Believe me to be proud of it.

918
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: Of course I am.

919
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 4: I you know, I'm not proud of everything, but I'm

920
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: very proud of what I did. We've made television history

921
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: over twenty years, and so I will never fight that.

922
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: And I understand what I'm known for. I guess what

923
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: I'm I just want to make sure there's a clarification

924
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 4: of uh, like what Jackie's saying. I understand what you're

925
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: known for, But what defines your right right? What do

926
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: you allow in your heart and soul of When I

927
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: wake up in the morning of like, Okay, I'm the

928
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: Bachelor guy, It's like, no, I'm I'm a husband, I'm

929
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: a dad, I'm a good friend.

930
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: Can I ase you a personal question that you don't

931
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: have to answer, Well, I'm asking you if I can,

932
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to so, but you don't have to answer it.

933
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: So I'm I mean, I talk a lot about the

934
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: fact that I've been in therapy for years and years

935
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: and years, twenty years, but I work on this still

936
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: almost every time every week. And when I say that

937
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: I work on it, not oh my god, if I

938
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: lose my position is the house I have more sort

939
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: of like my identity and becoming comfortable with who I am.

940
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry again, I'm just I feel like I'm

941
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: just very corny on this whole episode, but like loving

942
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: myself right. But I'm wondering if therapy was something that

943
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: you've ever been in, or you know, maybe even after

944
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: you left the Bachelor it was, or you just naturally

945
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: are this conference and resilient. Yeah, a secure man.

946
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: Number one, I believe in therapy. Number two, I have

947
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: gone to therapy. I went to therapy. Started. The first

948
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: time I ever saw a therapist is back probably in

949
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: my divorce phase, like ty ten twenty eleven, as I

950
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: was unwinding. It was a seventeen year marriage. But I've

951
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 4: been been with this person, my ex wife, since my

952
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 4: sophomore year of college when you're eighteen nineteen years old,

953
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: and then you know, when you go from eighteen or

954
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: nineteen to forty, that is you know, those are massive

955
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: years of your life of growing and things where we

956
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: should have been dating and getting broken up with and

957
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: so there was a lot of growing and learning I

958
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: had to do and needed to do. And when I

959
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: started dating again, I mean think about that. You're eighteen

960
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 4: nineteen years old and you stop, and when I say

961
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: you stop, it's like you kind of stop developing to

962
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: a certain degree, right because you have this one person

963
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 4: in your life. So I'm not dating anymore. I'm not

964
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: learning how to you know, break up, love, all this,

965
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: you know, heartbreak. And so then all of a sudden,

966
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: I'm forty years old and it's like, okay, now I

967
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: have a little bit of money, a little bit of fame,

968
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: start dating again. Oh my god, It's like there's a

969
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 4: comedy in there. Believe me, because it was a mess.

970
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 4: So I hundred percent believe in in therapy. And my

971
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: daughter actually is a psychology major going into child development.

972
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: So we talk about that a lot in our family.

973
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: Amazing. Can I ask you a question?

974
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: There was an article an interview that you gave in

975
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: that was published in December, and you said that you

976
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: had to remove yourself from a toxic situation and that

977
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: it wasn't healthy. Were you talking about the show itself

978
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: or the process by which you were you left the show?

979
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: Because I think we all have opinions on The Bachelor?

980
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, no, And so the thing about The

981
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: Bachelor is the show was an amazing creation and it

982
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: really was revolutionized reality TV and dating shows. I mean,

983
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: you look at what's happening today. There is I've always said,

984
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: there's an insatiable appetite for romance and love. And so

985
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: you see these other shows that have kind of taken

986
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: the mantle of the big shows, whether it's Love Is

987
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 4: Blind or even a buddy of mine produced f Boy Island,

988
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: And you know, so there's this huge spectrum of shows

989
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 4: now that are doing very well. So there's still this

990
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: appetite for love and romance. And look, did we do

991
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 4: everything perfect over the nineteen years I was there?

992
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: No?

993
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: Are they probably? And I haven't watched the show. Are

994
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: they still doing everything perfectly? Probably?

995
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: Not?

996
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: But that wasn't what I was referring to. I was

997
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: more referring to the world with which I was working

998
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: in thing too detailed.

999
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: Do you think there's also an insatiable appetite for heartbreak and.

1000
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: Watching the person get stood up the other person and

1001
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: watching them take him home and meet their families and

1002
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: then get dumped the next day. I just think that

1003
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: it's such a I don't know, we enjoy watching.

1004
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're talking about that at the beginning of

1005
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: this episode down Fall the heartbreak. And I don't like

1006
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: to admit that about myself, but I do everybody. I

1007
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: have those moments when I'm watching reality TV and I'm

1008
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: not a fan of whomever. I wish that I, you know,

1009
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: could be different, but I'm human and sometimes it's fun

1010
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: to see, you know, somebody get there, somebody get theirs.

1011
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: And look we all. I think, if you you know,

1012
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: it's funny. I just spoke to the journalism school up

1013
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: at Missouri and I said the same I said the

1014
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 4: same thing. We were talking about this exact topic. If

1015
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: you asked people like it's it's take it to politics.

1016
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: When we give these exit polls for politics, you know

1017
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 4: the pundits on TV this, how often are those exit

1018
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 4: polls actually right? Very few times? It's you know, people

1019
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: will vote in private speak publicly we watch TV, and

1020
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: private we will talk publicly, meaning we will say that

1021
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: we love the romance, we love a love story. We

1022
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: like it, you know, the fairy tale ending. But even

1023
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: in any Disney movie, you know what's it start with.

1024
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 4: It usually starts with a parent being murdered, and then

1025
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: you get to the happy ending. And that's Disney for

1026
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: crying out last night, So we all will you know,

1027
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 4: in Nascar events, do we want to just see cars

1028
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: drive around in a circle. No, it's the idea that

1029
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: at any moment, at two hundred miles per hour, this

1030
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 4: car could roll and burst into flames, and often it

1031
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: does happen. And so there when I watched The Housewives,

1032
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: same thing. I don't want to just see a bunch

1033
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 4: of ladies get together and have mimosas and just giggle.

1034
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: You want to see the trama to see exactly if.

1035
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: Of course, you have to have conflict. Any good movie,

1036
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: any good book, any good story has conflict, and so

1037
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: every good television show, reality or otherwise has to have

1038
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: that conflict as well, and then you want the resolution.

1039
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: Did you get the sense from social media after your

1040
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: departure that people are enjoying your downfall, because as somebody

1041
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: who watched The Bachelor and watched you on it for

1042
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: so long, I found it heartbreaking, and because you know,

1043
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: you weren't part of the mix, you weren't a character.

1044
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: You were the host, and you were a loving host,

1045
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: and you were a respectful host and a fun to watch.

1046
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if you felt some of that, like

1047
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: your fall from Greece was.

1048
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 4: I would add much to this. I would say, much

1049
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: to the chagrin of probably just a few people, it

1050
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 4: was overwhelmingly positive, good from day one.

1051
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

1052
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt publicly to this day. People come up

1053
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: to me and it's nothing but love and respect and

1054
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: admiration and this thing we all shared again. I was

1055
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 4: at Missoo this weekend and these college kids come in

1056
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: and they're like, hey, I grew up watching your show.

1057
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: My mom and I would watch your show and it

1058
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: meant a lot to me. And sadly, a lot of

1059
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 4: them say they don't watch anymore, and that's that's unfortunate

1060
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: that you know they.

1061
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: You feel like that's unfortunate. You don't like that just

1062
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1063
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, this is well, this is a weird thing,

1064
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 4: because yes, the ratings have plummeted, and there's, of course,

1065
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 4: there's probably a part of me that's like, okay, good,

1066
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: I'm glad the show is, you know, half of what

1067
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 4: it used to be when I was there. But there's

1068
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: this other side of me that doesn't want it to

1069
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: go away because it was something I built, and I

1070
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: was part of the construction process of this thing, and

1071
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: I built this franchise and was the face and voice

1072
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: of it for two decades. And you know, that's almost

1073
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 4: two generations of people growing up that have watched this show,

1074
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of people that are still

1075
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 4: on that show. And when people talk about people being fired,

1076
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: we hear this a lot in sports, of like this

1077
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: guy should be fired, fire the coach, And I'm like, man,

1078
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: as someone who's gone through and I wasn't fired, But

1079
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: at the same time, someone who broke away from a

1080
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: job that he'd had for a long time. I'm just

1081
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 4: really reluctant to call for anybody's job, or to wish

1082
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 4: anybody to lose a job, because it affects so many people,

1083
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes. Even if you wanted, like

1084
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: the executive one EP or whoever you're really mad at them. Well,

1085
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 4: the photographers, the camera guys. You guys have know you've

1086
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 4: been on set, the audio craft services. The ripple effect

1087
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 4: is huge and there's a lot of jobs on the line,

1088
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 4: so I don't wish them ill will in that way.

1089
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about being an empty

1090
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: nester and how that's like I've been time and.

1091
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: I want to hear about that too. And Lauren. We

1092
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: want to hear about Lauren. Yeah.

1093
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, the greatest thing that ever

1094
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: happened to me in my life. She has just been

1095
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 4: She's been a godsend, truly, and it is the most

1096
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: wonderful thing. And I tell people that are looking for

1097
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 4: love and you're out there and you're single, or you're like,

1098
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: oh my god, I've been looking forever. Hey, if you

1099
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 4: really break it down, and I had a wonderful marriage

1100
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: that had that created two beautiful kids. But at the

1101
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: same time, I don't know if I found the love

1102
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: of my life until I was fifty years old, if

1103
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: you think about it. So, you know, when I hear

1104
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: people that are in their twenties, thirties and forties like,

1105
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: you know, oh my god, gosh, oh my gosh, what

1106
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 4: was me, and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm just

1107
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: now really to this point in my life at fifty

1108
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: two years old, where I think I got this thing

1109
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: dialed in, so be patient.

1110
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Amen. I love that.

1111
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: And I would just say as far as the empty

1112
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: nesting goes, and I hope my kids aren't listening, but

1113
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, it's so wonderful what I said.

1114
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: Jackie Feels said, Hey, I'm in terror. I don't know

1115
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 5: what I myself. Amen, brother, Oh my god. And I'm sorry,

1116
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 5: I'm getting a little too excited.

1117
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: Heart. I love it. I love it as long as

1118
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: my kids are happy.

1119
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: You know, if one when one of your kids are

1120
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: not happy, then you're not happy. And it's but knowing

1121
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 3: that they're both good and enjoying their lives and then

1122
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: getting to wake up and not have to raise children.

1123
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not sorry.

1124
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a joy.

1125
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Speaker 4: There's a there's an old saying, and I didn't invent this,

1126
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: but it is very true that if you put in

1127
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: the work early on with children, you do less work

1128
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 4: later in life. I feel like I really in the

1129
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: work early on, and so did my ex wife, who

1130
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: by the way, is an amazing mother and still is

1131
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 4: and her husband. She got remarried. He is wonderful to

1132
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: my kids. Lauren has been an unbelievable addition to my kids' lives.

1133
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: But putting in that work early on allows you to

1134
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 4: enjoy this phase of life because they are now there's

1135
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: still kids. My daughter's twenty, my son's twenty two. They're

1136
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: wonderful human beings. And now I'm at the phase of

1137
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 4: I don't have to parent as much as kind of

1138
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 4: guide and give some advice. But it's at the phase

1139
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 4: of we're heading into graduation and he's looking at apartments

1140
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: and trying to get a job, and now it's giving

1141
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: him adult advice on life.

1142
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: And that's exactly where you are to that next phase. Yeah.

1143
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 4: We just spent spring break with my daughter and some

1144
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: of her sorority sisters, and it's just fun. It's a

1145
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 4: fun stage in life. And I loved every stage. When

1146
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 4: I was coaching Little League and going to piano recitals.

1147
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: I love that too. But I'm done with that.

1148
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, like that too.

1149
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: That next the next time I do that, it'll be

1150
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: with my grandkids. Well, and let's hope.

1151
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: Let's not lead people on though, Chris, it's still ain't easy,

1152
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: at least for me. Maybe I still feel like, what

1153
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: do they say that a boy's brain isn't developed until

1154
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: he's twenty six, a girl maybe twenty four, and I'd

1155
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: say fifty two fifty for men, right, I mean there's

1156
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: still it still comes with challenges, but there is oh,

1157
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: of course, a freedom you know that I haven't had

1158
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: since I gave birth at age thirty one.

1159
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's another identity thing. I think I

1160
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: have to work on not making mother my whole identity either.

1161
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 4: Well, and you do, and Lauren and I talk about that, Jackie,

1162
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 4: and it's something I think it's one of the leading

1163
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: causes of divorces in this country. And you have to

1164
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: be very careful because oftentimes, and oftentimes it is the

1165
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: woman who has stayed at home and has defined herself

1166
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: of being an amazing mom, room mother, running the pta,

1167
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: you know, you name it, just being involved. Well, when

1168
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 4: that stops, and it doesn't stop in college, it usually

1169
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: stops earlier. When they get to high school, they just

1170
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: need you less, and then they are driving and they

1171
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: need you even less than that, and it's hard to oh,

1172
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: my gosh, after fifteen years, I have defined myself by

1173
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: being this pillar and now, now what what do I do?

1174
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 4: And that often causes a lot of strife and contention

1175
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 4: in a relationship. You have to be very cognizant of

1176
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: that of kind of re entry and helping each other

1177
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: get back over that hurdle.

1178
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: All of this goes back to what we're talking about

1179
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: in the sense that when you lose the Housewives or

1180
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: you know, certainly a way bigger scenario, you were the

1181
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: host of the Bachelor for nineteen years and that ends,

1182
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: you stop being a stay at home mom. All of

1183
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: this is about I guess identity and so trying to

1184
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: find out who you are before any of this ends,

1185
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: and being enough before that you got it and after

1186
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: it goes away.

1187
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: I think that's there's a check.

1188
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: There's a little piece of lead. I'm looking at it

1189
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: right now. It's on my desk behind me, and it

1190
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: sits there and it has for many years. My mom

1191
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 4: gave it to me. Is what would you attempt to

1192
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: do if you knew you could not fail? And the

1193
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 4: whole point of that is I've never been afraid to fail.

1194
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this comes from my sports background.

1195
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: I played sports my whole life and in college, but

1196
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: putting yourself out there on that tightrope and not being

1197
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: afraid to fall. Some people will keep themselves from ever

1198
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 4: doing anything in life because the what if, what if

1199
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 4: this happens? What if I fail? What if I make

1200
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: an ass of myself and I get embarrassed. I have

1201
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 4: never lived like that. I'm a big optimist. And so

1202
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 4: as soon as the backsher went away, Yes, I had

1203
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: to lick my wounds and I got kicked in the gut,

1204
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 4: and it got toxic, and it was crazy, and it

1205
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 4: was very public, and I had to wait for the

1206
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 4: turmoil to calm down. But almost immediately my theory and

1207
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: my thought was what's next. This is just now an

1208
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: opportunity to show everybody what's next. And by the way,

1209
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 4: Merritt Street has the potential to be a disaster. It

1210
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 4: could go up in flames. It is a startup. At

1211
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it is a wonderful startup

1212
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 4: with a lot of money and some unbelievably big names.

1213
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: Steve Harvey was just added to the roster. He announced

1214
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 4: that Nancy Grace, doctor Phil myself, Lauren Zima. So there

1215
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 4: is some serious ass talent coming to this network. So

1216
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 4: it probably won't but it's a startup, and trying to

1217
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 4: start up a network in this day and age is

1218
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 4: very hard. So I'm putting myself out there in something

1219
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: that I could fail at. You can't sit there and go,

1220
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, what if something I create isn't as

1221
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: big as The Bachelor was? I can tell you it

1222
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 4: won't be. I probably will never do another show that

1223
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: has thirty three million viewers watching it, and by the way,

1224
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 4: either will The Bachelor ever again. I don't know if

1225
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 4: anything will ever exist, but having a home run like

1226
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 4: that is probably once in a lifetime. But it won't

1227
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: stop me from trying to do that again. And I

1228
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: think that is the difference of you got to just

1229
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 4: you can't care so much about what everyone else is

1230
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: going to say because I know people are going to

1231
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: pan it. I know people will rip me on social media.

1232
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 4: Who care? So I'm not doing it for you. Just

1233
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 4: put yourself out there and get going again. I'm just

1234
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 4: excited to do it.

1235
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 3: On speed Dial, I was going to be therapist Jackie.

1236
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: I was going to say, Chris, you got to talk

1237
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 3: to more housewives. Yeah, you've got it like this, you

1238
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 3: are going to be the housewife whisper because I love

1239
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 3: that thing on your deak me too.

1240
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: I love that me too.

1241
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 3: But you know, just the idea that it's okay and

1242
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: and something else will come, and it may not be people.

1243
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: Not everybody is craving fame and fortune, right so but

1244
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: for you know, those that are not that are just

1245
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: worried about the kids leaving and a new identity that way,

1246
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: But how to feel good about that, How to not

1247
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: define yourself by what's happened in your past.

1248
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: So when can we watch you? When is it going

1249
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: to be up and running?

1250
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: April second, the network starts, So we're going up to

1251
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 4: Dallas Fort Worth, which is where the studio is. It's

1252
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: this amazing five acre facility. And by the way, if

1253
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 4: you're in the DFW area, Doctor Phil his uh live audience,

1254
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 4: he's taking his prime So he's taken his show and

1255
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 4: he's going to take it to Primetime. So Doctor Phil

1256
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: Primetime is kind of his old show but kind of

1257
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 4: on steroids. And he built this beautiful studio for himself.

1258
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 4: But within that there's a newsroom we're doing morning news,

1259
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: evening news, and a newsroom like I've never seen before.

1260
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: There's three or four other sound stages. We're gonna shoot

1261
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 4: movies and commercials there that can be rented out, and

1262
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 4: then there's like three or four other just studios, like

1263
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: one will be used for our talk show. And so

1264
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: this facility is unlike anything I've ever seen. And they

1265
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: have live studio audience. You can go check out Doctor Phil.

1266
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 4: So starting April second, he'll be doing his show live

1267
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: at Primetime. I will be on some of those shows,

1268
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: and then eventually we'll get the daily morning show going

1269
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 4: and then also the talk show. But we got to

1270
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 4: you know, we have to cast the show. We have

1271
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 4: to staff those things up and get it going. That's

1272
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 4: going to take a minute. And the great thing with

1273
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: Doctor Phil is this network and this is where to

1274
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 4: go back to our original conversation. It's so different than

1275
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 4: streamers or network TV. It's like, Okay, we have to

1276
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 4: get institutional money, we have to get advertising. We will

1277
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 4: get advertising, but we can kind of get our own

1278
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 4: like we can go out and just cut our own deals.

1279
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 4: It's really bizarre where he's kind of cut this thing

1280
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 4: back to the original way TV is done. Of like

1281
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: we'll go straight to a company and say, hey, you

1282
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 4: want to be a part of our show. Come sponsor

1283
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: our show. We are not owned by bigger conglomerates, so

1284
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: we are not controlled by a ABC Disney. We're not

1285
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 4: controlled and so number one, we don't have to speak

1286
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: how they want us to speak. We can cover whatever

1287
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 4: we want. Doctor Phil can do whatever he wants, so

1288
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 4: we don't have to go into the principal's office later

1289
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 4: and say, oh, you don't want me to cover this story.

1290
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: It's too controversial. Oh, your advertisers may not like this,

1291
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 4: So we won't mention this. And we're not going to preach.

1292
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 4: We're not going to tell you what we feel. We're

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Speaker 4: going to just tell you the facts. And Doctor Phil

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Speaker 4: is amazing at that.

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Speaker 3: I love that so much. Can you get us tickets

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Speaker 3: or no, you hook us up?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Oh we've been so, I've been to a dozen

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Speaker 4: shows and I've been on. I've already taped three or

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Speaker 4: four of his shows and then we go up and

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Speaker 4: depending on the subject matter, I'll get involved. And he's

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Speaker 4: doing some amazing shows and it really runs the gamut

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Speaker 4: and I've I've loved it. It's you know, he is

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Speaker 4: someone I've admired for so many years, and I didn't

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Speaker 4: realize obviously he was on Oprah before, but The Bachelor

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Speaker 4: and Doctor Phil started the same year really two thousand

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Speaker 4: and one, two thousand and two, and so to be

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Speaker 4: hosting with him, and we're on stage a lot together.

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Speaker 4: It's like this awesome masterclass of like being on with

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Speaker 4: someone who is so damn good at what they do.

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Speaker 4: And you know, not to pat myself on the back,

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Speaker 4: but I'm really good at what I do, Creed, and

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Speaker 4: so we kind of we really compliment each other and

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Speaker 4: it's kind of that game recognizes game. So I really

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Speaker 4: have a blast.

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Speaker 2: Well I can see when you're talking about this you

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Speaker 2: are like just lit up, animated SI.

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Speaker 1: So I'm so.

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Speaker 2: I'm really happy for you and wishing you and Lauren

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Speaker 2: and doctor Phil all the success in the world.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to watch you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you guys, our listeners, keep the faith. Man, look

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Speaker 3: at this and you know there's life after life, right,

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Speaker 3: there's just made out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yes everything. Yeah, oh cool.

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Speaker 4: Nothing's too big, nothing's too big that we can't overcome it.

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Speaker 1: Amazing man, you're my new therapist. Well, we loved having

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Speaker 1: you on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so grateful. Well, congratulations to the

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Speaker 4: two of you. Speaking of launching something that's been amazingly successful.

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Speaker 4: Very proud of you. I'm happy to be even a

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Speaker 4: small part of this endeavor that you two have started,

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Speaker 4: and love you too and wish you the very best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, appreciate it. He was amazing, very inspiring.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. I really he could be my therapist.

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Speaker 3: I hope that listeners, you guys, can take away from

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Speaker 3: some of this because it's such a bigger there's such

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Speaker 3: a bigger picture, and it's not just about like what

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Speaker 3: do you do when you're not a housewife anymore? Or

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Speaker 3: what do you do when you're not like you lose

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Speaker 3: a job you've had your whole life.

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Speaker 2: Even like a friend, like anything that ends, you have

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Speaker 2: to be able to separate who you truly are from

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Speaker 2: that one part.

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Speaker 1: Of your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really hard. He seems to have like mastered that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. He's just he's amazing, and you're amazing,

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Speaker 1: and you're amazing. Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I love this episode, me too, And until

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Speaker 2: next time you to Jersey Jays leave a review. We

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Speaker 2: love you, guys, love us back, and we will see

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Speaker 2: you next time.

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Speaker 1: Jay's out