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Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, ba fam, I have been waiting to tell you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I have been sitting on this news forever. But for

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Speaker 1: the first time in Brand Ambition history, we are going live, y'all.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be live from Newark, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: It is all happening October tenth at six pm. If

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Speaker 1: you want to get tickets now, tickets are limited. We

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Speaker 1: picked the best venue. It's a historic black owned bookstore

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Speaker 1: in Newark, but seating is limited. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be an intimate evening with me and Tiffany live in person.

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Speaker 1: It may be the only chance y'all get I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna lie to see us together live in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: so please come get your tickets. We want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the crowd is packed with true be a family. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to get tickets, run, don't walk.

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Speaker 1: Run to Brown Ambition podcast dot com to get the

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Speaker 1: link right there and let us know that you're coming.

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Speaker 1: Tag us, send us your receipts, send us your order.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll send you some BA wag. We'll have some

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Speaker 1: BA swag at the event. Even we are going to

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Speaker 1: be celebrating nine years of the show, y'all. Nine years.

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Speaker 1: We're like geriatric podcasters in the very best way. But

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Speaker 1: we cannot wait to see y'all in Newark. So go

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Speaker 1: ahead Brown Ambition Podcast dot Com to get your tickets

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Speaker 1: to see me and Tiffany live for Brown Ambition Live

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Speaker 1: in Newark, New Jersey. It's all going down. Like I

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Speaker 1: said October tenth, get your tickets again at Brown Ambition

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Speaker 1: Podcast dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, we're back. We're black, We're bread. Take

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Speaker 2: us there, take us Ambition Ambition, Ambition, Ambition Ambition, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Mandra how you doing.

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Speaker 1: Hey right now? Every day is a little different. Every

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Speaker 1: day is a little different day. It's a Satin day.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like the last This is our

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Speaker 1: the last school district in America. To go back to

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Speaker 1: school in New York. It's very like, it's very quintessential,

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Speaker 1: like what you see and how Mark movies. I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: The after Labor Day. Yep, very quintessential. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: that other people didn't get seasons. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: I was great, you're gonna put on your fag jacket

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was in Cali for like a week visiting

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Speaker 1: I'm not recommending it as a tourist destination. It's not

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Speaker 1: exactly the most exciting, but we did get to like

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Speaker 1: I sometimes make self sabotaging decisions. But I don't think this,

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Speaker 2: Expect to get from tivity. So we have some I

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Speaker 1: But what do you mean You're not gonna call it

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Speaker 2: I've decided that this is my last year doing Brown Ambition,

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Speaker 2: it's not there. And so yeah, so I told Mandy,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've been planning our wedding, how it

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying not to sound like a don't

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Speaker 2: So I didn't want to keep pushing it, pushing it.

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Speaker 1: few years. But in the past I've just kind of

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Speaker 1: given over. I've just like given myself over to that

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Speaker 1: sensation in the sense that whatever it is, I'll just

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Speaker 1: try to greet it with open arms. And we don't

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Speaker 1: know what it's going to be. And then so Tiffany,

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Speaker 1: this news it felt like, I'm like, oh, that was

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Speaker 1: it okay, And there's a lot of excitement there is

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Speaker 1: because I do still have so I mean, I will

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Speaker 1: never not believe in brand, ambition and all the potential

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Speaker 1: that we have. But now I don't have to ask

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Speaker 1: for anybody availability myself, and I don't have to go

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Speaker 1: through twelve thousand back and forth scheduling emails with whatever

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Speaker 1: assystem of the day.

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Speaker 2: Don't movie, sorry, you're not going to go.

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Speaker 3: But now I hope State farm agents are small business

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Speaker 3: owners too, so they know how to help you choose

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Speaker 3: personalized policies that fit your needs, like a good neighbor.

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Speaker 3: State farm is there. Talk to your local agent today.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, ba fam We are going live y'all. We

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Speaker 1: are going to be live from Newark, New Jersey. It

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Speaker 1: is all happening October tenth at six pm. If you

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Speaker 1: want to get tickets now, tickets are limited. We picked

448
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Speaker 1: the best venue. It's a historic black owned bookstore in Newark,

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Speaker 1: but seating is limited. This is going to be an

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Speaker 1: intimate evening with me and Tiffany live in person. It

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Speaker 1: may be the only chance y'all get. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lie to see us together live in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: So please come get your tickets. We want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the crowd is packed with true be a family. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so if you want to get tickets, run, don't walk.

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Speaker 1: Run to Brown Ambition Podcast dot Com to get the

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Speaker 1: link right there and let us know that you're coming.

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Speaker 1: Tag us, send us your receipts, send us your order.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll send you some be A swag. We'll have

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Speaker 1: some BA swag at the event. Even we are going

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Speaker 1: to be celebrating nine years of the show, y'all, nine years.

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Speaker 1: We're like geriatric podcasters in the very best way. But

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Speaker 1: we cannot wait to see y'all in Newark. So go

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Speaker 1: ahead Bronambition Podcast dot com to get your tickets to

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Speaker 1: see me and Tiffany live for Brown Ambition Live and

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Speaker 1: New Work, New Jersey. It's all going down. Like I

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Speaker 1: said October tenth, get your tickets again at Brown Ambition

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Speaker 1: Podcast dot com. Yeah no, I'm just just it's so big.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to share?

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Speaker 2: Kind of like the business part, so like what does

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Speaker 2: it look like? So partnership dissolving? Typically? Oh, I forgot

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Speaker 2: to go ask Tony Mandy, you know I remember, so

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Speaker 2: I know It's like that's what I be talking about, right, So,

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Speaker 2: partnership dissolving, like I've done this book I've done where

475
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Speaker 2: I've bought out a partner and literally you assess the

476
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Speaker 2: company and you agree on the assessment or don't. You're

477
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Speaker 2: going an assessment company at least, and then you can

478
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Speaker 2: purchase out the other person whatever. But I told Mandy,

479
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that here. You know that,

480
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Speaker 2: I believe you know, like there's the workload of Brown

481
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: Ambishon has always been uneven, but now more so than ever.

482
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Speaker 2: And then I spoke with a friend of mine who

483
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Speaker 2: also was in a podcast with her best friend, and

484
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: but theirs was different. And then they started off friends

485
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Speaker 2: friends friends first and then added in the business and she,

486
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Speaker 2: like me, had another business that just that business start

487
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Speaker 2: to eat a more capacity. And she just was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I love my bestie and I just

489
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Speaker 2: can't do both because I'm being unfair now. So I

490
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: asked her what she did, and I thought that that

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Speaker 2: felt fair to me and that I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: sign over my Brown Ambision rights to Mandy, like right

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Speaker 2: now Mandy and I are fifty to fifty. But I

494
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Speaker 2: told Mandy like I'm going to sign over my rights.

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Speaker 2: It's not a buyout. You know that Mandy doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to purchase anything for me. I feel like it's the

497
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Speaker 2: right thing to do, to be like, Okay, my half

498
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Speaker 2: now becomes your half. Mandy will own it one hundred percent,

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Speaker 2: and then after this year, you know, like we Mandy

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Speaker 2: and I were actually talking about the legal ramifications, like

501
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Speaker 2: she's like, do I need my own attorney? And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I've done it before where we can have an attorney

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Speaker 2: represent the business and not me or Mandy, and then

504
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Speaker 2: we'll be like if you should think about this, you

505
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: should think about this. And so we're deciding if that's

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Speaker 2: the route that we're going to go in because I

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Speaker 2: have an attorney and I want her to kind of share,

508
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Speaker 2: like if that's something that she feels that she can

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Speaker 2: do or something that we should do, and if not,

510
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Speaker 2: then we'll figure out something else. But ideally, because it

511
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Speaker 2: will save money for everybody that having an one attorney

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Speaker 2: that represents the business, and because essentially I'm not fighting

513
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Speaker 2: for anything, I want to be able to say I

514
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Speaker 2: just want to sign something that says BROWNO vision now.

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Speaker 5: Uncoupling, yes, constantly, Yes, but there are some things right,

516
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Speaker 5: so it would be like I mean, to the end

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Speaker 5: of the year, it's be like, okay, the last revenue split,

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Speaker 5: you know, might be like December thirty first, you know,

519
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Speaker 5: but then you're.

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Speaker 1: Like January because we don't get paid for December until.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean. Like so even those

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Speaker 2: type of things, you know, And then too, what happens

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Speaker 2: with podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I can get rid of our big bank account. I

525
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Speaker 1: can get my online only bank account. Yes, you can't

526
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Speaker 1: want to get because I hit our bank.

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Speaker 2: I know, I hate our big two. But what you

528
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Speaker 2: can we also too what happens is then, you know,

529
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: like the podcast, you don't just make money on the

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Speaker 2: podcast off of the current episodes. There are past episodes

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Speaker 2: that might generate. So I've decided that, like regardless, I

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Speaker 2: told Mandy you could continue like one, all the old

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Speaker 2: episodes continue to air because we own Brown Ambition, you know,

534
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: like there's some podcasts that are created on a network

535
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: already that's not so like Mandy and I started this

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00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: before there was even networks, I believe, so she will

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Speaker 2: own it. But also too, she gets to own the

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Speaker 2: back blog category, so if it makes money, she will

539
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Speaker 2: get to keep it January first, moving on, even though

540
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Speaker 2: my voice is there, and then we'll have to decide.

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Speaker 2: I guess like name you some in likeness as far

542
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: as I don't know what that looks like. But this

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Speaker 2: is what an attorney is here for. So that's what

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Speaker 2: I've just decided to just basically give Mandy my half.

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Speaker 2: Stop taking any payments at the end of this year,

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Speaker 2: and even know like additional payments will happen as a

547
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: result of like my voice and things, but she will

548
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: be able to keep that moving forward. That's what I

549
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Speaker 2: feel feels like fair for all the work that she's

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Speaker 2: put in. And I just I mean, you know, it's

551
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: easier Brandna Bisham does well, but it's not you know,

552
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: multiple seven figures and I'd be like, wait a minute minute,

553
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But now, yeah, And I mean like we've been cashing

555
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Speaker 1: in on the profits. It's not like there's a war

556
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Speaker 1: chest that we have. Yes, yeah, because it was always

557
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: like supplemental fun money for both of us, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I'm taking it all in. I'm definitely yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely looking forward to getting all the legal shit

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Speaker 1: behind us because we don't usually spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time on legal stuff, and I think this is the

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Speaker 1: only potential area where like, if there was ever going

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Speaker 1: to be a contentious moment, it would be like during

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Speaker 1: this kind of dissolution, what do you call it? Dissolving

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Speaker 1: of a partnership. But even when I think when I

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Speaker 1: say that, I'm like, well, that's just other people. That's

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Speaker 1: not me and Tiff, you know, Like I feel like

568
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have the kind of like post BA relationship

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Speaker 1: where I don't like, to be honest, I don't think

570
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: that it feels right to me that you wouldn't make

571
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Speaker 1: any residuals off of our existing back catalog, like not

572
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Speaker 1: that it's like a movie where you can. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel one hundred percent right to me. Like I think

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Speaker 1: some kind of percentage of earnings moving forward makes sense

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Speaker 1: for your legacy and your nine years. I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Get to your point that, yes, this is why. What

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Speaker 2: I love about this is that you get to see

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00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: real time Manny, and I haven't figured it out.

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Speaker 1: I just know, great, to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well then we can we'll talk through it. And

581
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: like this is why having kind of like an attorney

582
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Speaker 2: in the middle, because what does that even mean and

583
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Speaker 2: how long? And these are like questions. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be contentious. Honestly, Many and I have

585
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: worked together for nine years and it's never been contentious

586
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: because we always come from a place of like we

587
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: want what's best for both of us. No one is

588
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: here like you see here. I'm like, you can just

589
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: have it all. It's just like that doesn't feel fair.

590
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: We've always navigated from that place of like, wait a minute,

591
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: sounds cute, but how does that have was that for you?

592
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Speaker 2: And so I'm not worried about the contentious, you know,

593
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: because I.

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Speaker 1: Just don't want to downplay your significance and I think

595
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: that you're being very humble. But at the same time,

596
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: BA is the two of us, and yeah, I've done

597
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: like the technical side for a long time and negotiated

598
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: with networks and like strategy and you know everything everything,

599
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's true, but no, but there is no show.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't. It's been the kind of show where you know,

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Speaker 1: without you, and there's been months where I haven't been

602
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: able to record and you've shown up for me and

603
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: carried that and anyway. To me, your value is immense

604
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Speaker 1: and always has been. I do I think this is

605
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Speaker 1: one of those like reflective moments where yeah, we've been

606
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Speaker 1: like it's been more one sided for a while, but

607
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it, Like I thought that was my

608
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: superpower and that was what made the relationship work, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want anyone who's listening to feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Mandy was like not valuing herself for like was being

611
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Speaker 1: like there was I never and I still don't feel

612
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Speaker 1: like I was ever taken advantage of or that it

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Speaker 1: was unfair. It's just that it was what we needed,

614
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Speaker 1: Like we needed me to stand up in order for

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Speaker 1: the show to happen. It wasn't going to be you.

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: It had to be me, and I was happy to,

617
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Speaker 1: you know, to do that and still am and to.

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Speaker 2: Be fair the less, Like, we talked recently about paying

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Speaker 2: you additionally for the work, you know, so that was

620
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Speaker 2: one of the things that Mandy and I talked through.

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Speaker 2: She's like, well, if I'm going to do the heavier lift,

622
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: which he's been doing for a while, you know, what

623
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Speaker 2: does that look like for me to be paid because

624
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: normally it's kind of like, you know, we make money,

625
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: the network takes whatever they're going to take, and then

626
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: the rest land in our arm our bank account, and

627
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: then Mandy and I kind of know how much needs

628
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Speaker 2: to be left over and paid and whatever was there

629
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Speaker 2: was like here's a fifty fifty split, you know, but

630
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Speaker 2: then it was like, well, what if she can get

631
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: additional pay because of the extra work, and I said, okay,

632
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Speaker 2: So we agreed on what that pay was going to be,

633
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: and then it's like, then what's left over after that?

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Speaker 2: There could be a fifty to fifty split because I

635
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Speaker 2: wanted to, like, you know, even then, I'm like, you know,

636
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Speaker 2: what does that look like to make this more fair?

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Speaker 2: So we still our aim now is now that you know,

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Speaker 2: we and you might have some ideas. I mean, I

639
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Speaker 2: don't know, maybe some of you guys have gone through

640
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 2: like a like an amical full uncoupling with a business partner,

641
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: but we would love like every show was not going

642
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: to be about this, but certainly we're going to check

643
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: in regularly just because if nothing else, this is a

644
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: learning lesson for you and us, and uh yeah, because

645
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: we're still figuring it out. As you can see, some

646
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: stuff is just coming up now. I'm like, oh, I

647
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: didn't know you felt that way. All that's time and

648
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: I just I am grateful for the opportunity to learn

649
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: out loud, you know.

650
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Speaker 1: And I will let it happen, even though it's a

651
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: bit more vulnerable. I know you do though, oh thanks, No,

652
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like we can, we'd have these conversations,

653
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: but I do think that at the end of the day,

654
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: it's our decision. So as much as I love ba

655
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: fam like and I will like you're gonna be it's

656
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: gonna be great, and you're gonna I'm excited about what's

657
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: to come and all of that, I'm just like it

658
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: feels a little bit like letting someone into your this

659
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: little bubble that we've created this safe space where we

660
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: talk about business stuff on the backs and we do

661
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: it very collegially, yeah, respectfully, but it's yeah, I don't

662
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: want to it's a little under the microscope. But we'll

663
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: see how this goes and how you guys take it.

664
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Speaker 1: And I was thinking, like, man, this is like you're

665
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: hearing by a lot of podcast hosts who are like

666
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: either leaving the show or taking breaks or the you know,

667
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: co hosts are leaving. And I feel like I've been

668
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: hearing that more with the black female co host led

669
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: shows that I listen to, and I was like, oh,

670
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: we're so different.

671
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: We love it, we love.

672
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not an idgit like you know. It was like,

673
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't it makes sense. It's exciting. A

674
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: change is gonna come always, That's the one thing I

675
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: know in life. And yeah, I'm just grateful the time

676
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: we have left. I want to focus on that. We

677
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: have a hole. Hopefully by the time you know, you

678
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: close out the show, we'll have our first black female president.

679
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: What a wo out as if we had like a

680
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: huge role in that. But a lot of time to

681
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: go out. Yeah, I think, well, should we leave it

682
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: there to take a break and maybe come back or

683
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: is more to say?

684
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think we've said all that I

685
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: have to say.

686
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: But okay, I'm trying not to think of how many

687
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: shows are left. Just don't think about it. We'll let

688
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you guys know when the last day for Tip's going

689
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: to be. We haven't even told the network officially yet,

690
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: so they probably are interested in this as well. But

691
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, that's how we roll. And I'm gonna be

692
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: right back via VAM.

693
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: We're back. I feel like I don't even feel like

694
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: broad Boost. I know, Oh, I mean it's okay.

695
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 1: To just end on a very demure, very mind.

696
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: I know, well, I for one am excited, okay, And

697
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: now it's time for booster break up boost, break up

698
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: boost break Are you going to boost? Are you gonna break?

699
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do, what you're gonna take? Can I

700
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: go first? I'm gonna do a brown boost because I

701
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: was Honestly, I'm excited to see Mandy untethered, Mandy how

702
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: she flies for real, because y'all don't know, Mandy is

703
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: a freaking beast, like a business beast behind the scenes.

704
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: I have seen this woman builder. I mean, what Mandy

705
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: has built in six months would take me five years,

706
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: and it's taken me by like for real, like I am,

707
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: there are only two people who I admire their ability

708
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: to execute that. I'm like in awe of and it's

709
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: my friend Brandis and Mandy. That's literally it. Everybody else

710
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, girl, that's all right. No, Like Mandy

711
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 2: is a master executor. I don't think y'all understand. So

712
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: I am so excited to see what you do, Mandy.

713
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: When you have the full autonomy to execute how you want,

714
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: when you want, without any tethering. So my brown boost

715
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: is that, like, honestly, I can't just wait to watch

716
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: and see because I've seen what you did with Mandy

717
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: money Makers, I've seen what you've done in your own business.

718
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: I've seen what you've done when you work for someone,

719
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: you are like such a powerhouse, and now you get

720
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: to do it your way. I'm just like, I'm excited,

721
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: thank you.

722
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: And to the few people that I've told, it seems

723
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to be the overwhelming reaction is that they start to

724
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: giggle get excited, like what do you Why is everyone

725
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: so happy about?

726
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: Because I know you.

727
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I think it's like, yeah, it's more about the excitement

728
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm like, why is nobody else as anyway? Okay,

729
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: so my brown boost, well it's going to be a

730
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: brown I'm gonna make it a brown break because something

731
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: something that I posted before I went on vacation kind

732
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: of took off and went a little bit viral, and

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Speaker 1: it just reminded me of the power of research and

734
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: data to really like and I know that I know

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00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: that our experiences be a fan like the stuff that

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00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: we talk about about being women of color, you know,

737
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: in business and in corporate like those experiences are are

738
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: very shared, and like we understand that, but at the

739
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, having our voices and our anecdotes

740
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: is clearly not enough, like having our lived experiences. We

741
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: already know because the world has shown us how they

742
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: feel about our voices and if they want to listen

743
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: to them, and when they want to listen to them.

744
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: And you don't have to look too far to see

745
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: what has been happening post twenty twenty with the disinvestment

746
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: de investments, the divestment of the investment that companies were

747
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: making into diversity, equity and inclusion efforts and all that

748
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: is kind of starting to crumble. And I think that

749
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: we were not surprised. We're not surprised, let's be honest,

750
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: but I wanted to. I highlighted some data that had

751
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: been published like almost a year ago, and I was

752
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: just flabbergastic because I learned about it through the research

753
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: for my book. I'm working on a chapter right now

754
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: about the pet to threat phenomenon, which we have talked about. Essentially,

755
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: the idea that black women or women basically any minority

756
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: is like they're really happy to have us when we

757
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: first art and it's like, oh my gosh, this is

758
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna be great. We'll give you this, we'll give you that.

759
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: And then you arrive and you start using your influence

760
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: and accumulating power, and then you become very threatening, and

761
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: then there there is an effort to get rid of

762
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you or to defund you. So anyway, so in this

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00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: chapter that I'm writing, I came across this paper from

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00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: the Harvard Kennedy School, which is a policy research sort

765
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: of like think tank through Harvard, and they came out

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00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: with a study last last fall that just chilled me

767
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: to the bone and it really spoke to I think,

768
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: a lived experience for so many women of color, especially

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Speaker 1: black women. So the study showed that. And I don't

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Speaker 1: have the numbers write in front of nabe will post

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00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: in the show notes for you guys. But essentially it

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Speaker 1: was a very it was a huge study of like

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Speaker 1: thousands of employees at a very large consulting firm. So

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking like PwC, Deloitte, one of these, Mackenzie one

775
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: of these huge ones. And they looked at elite entry

776
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: level workers, so people joining as elite firm but didn't

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00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience, and they followed them for

778
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: about six years, and they found that the only group,

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00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: when they broke it down by gender, by race and ethnicity,

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Speaker 1: the only group that was negatively impacted by an increase

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00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: in white co workers were black women. And you know what,

782
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: the study didn't particularly speak about the increase or what

783
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: happens to black women when they're on teams with white

784
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: women in leadership roles or in management roles. It didn't

785
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: dig that deep into it. But I was just so

786
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: blown away by the overwhelming response on my post on

787
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: TikTok and ig, where almost every commenter came there to

788
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: talk about a toxic white female manager that they had had,

789
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: And I had to go back to read the report

790
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: because I'm like, did they mentioned white women? And it

791
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: wasn't there? But I'm like I was. I was overwhelmed

792
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: by that response and a little bit shaken by it

793
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: because even in writing this chapter in my book, when

794
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I go back, I'm living through reliving these like stories

795
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: of my own overcoming sort of toxic management and the

796
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: two toxic managers that I had we're white women. And

797
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really like, I hadn't really clocked that. I

798
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: hadn't thought, Okay, this is a dynamic that is not

799
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: just something that I'm experiencing. But yeah, this research really

800
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: hit a nerve and it made me even more. It

801
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: made me even more excited to be writing this about

802
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: this in my book. And it also, like I said,

803
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: it chilled me because I'm just like, we have people

804
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: have to know this, Like, yes, we have known it

805
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: and clearly, like the you know, the commenters, like clearly

806
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: you guys are living this and you understand it. And

807
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: there's this frustration like, of course this is what the

808
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: data shows. We're not surprised, et cetera. But I want

809
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: to be sure that this data doesn't just stay in

810
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: our hands and it shouldn't just be important to us.

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00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: You know. There were a few white women HR managers

812
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: who commented and said, I'm taking this data back to

813
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: my team, and I'm like, that's what we need, because

814
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: this is not a problem that we can fix alone.

815
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: One if we complain about it, which I tried, that

816
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: didn't break out great for me. Read the book. I'll

817
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: tell you more. When we complain about that, then we

818
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: are often we can be penalized. We put our careers

819
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: at risk. The people with power are not us in

820
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: this situation. In large, in most cases, so yeah, I

821
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: think a brown brown boost for the response that we

822
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: got and the like the cathartic kind of moment on

823
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: the internet we had together with that post, but a

824
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: break for the idea that we need this kind of

825
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: data to justify our experiences. And I just hope that

826
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: this is like this is I'm going to be sharing

827
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: more because there's way more than this that doesn't get

828
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: enough attention. And I'll keep sharing it. And thank y'all

829
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: to everyone who like shared your experiences. And I'm really sorry.

830
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: I'm unpacking my own shit too.

831
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Speaker 2: I know. I saw it and I was like wow,

832
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: I saw like because it went viral, and I thought,

833
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: this is where you shay and shine, you know, like

834
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: we forget that Mandy's a bona fide journalist, you know,

835
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: and so I was just like wow, wow, So thank

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00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: you for your service. Oh you're welcome, ah rod a vision.

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Speaker 2: All right, y'all, if you enjoyed this show, if you

838
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, you know, we'd love to

839
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: hear back from you.

840
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, just been a while.

841
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: One day at a time, sweet Jesus, that's all we

842
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 2: asking of you. So yeah, until next show, Until next show,

843
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: well Friday. You know we have our baqa. We'll see

844
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: you air. Bye bye