Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Sierra Siarra Tomato Tomato. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition to Be Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Handis. I'm joined in a room filled
Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Lindsey Rhodes, and Gregg Roseal What
Speaker 1: is up? Boys and girls? Should I point out that
Speaker 1: Greg's really dressed up today? Well, part of it is
Speaker 1: it's freezing in this studio and this is the only
Speaker 1: way that's going to keep my frail small body. That's
Speaker 1: one way to put it. Another way it is when
Speaker 1: we do our live hits on Network, Greg likes to
Speaker 1: put on the jacket and then not used. People on
Speaker 1: the third floor be like, oh this guy he's got
Speaker 1: he's got live potential, Like who's the human pulled out
Speaker 1: of the West Anderson films on the left. Don't dress
Speaker 1: for the job, you have dress for the job. Many
Speaker 1: hits where you're you're much better dressed than I am
Speaker 1: and mixes up Well find me one. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I put Dan in that category. Good nice stresser,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many times you wouldn't say
Speaker 1: are you wearing the same shirt as Craig is? Color blind?
Speaker 1: Sweet Marks first common to me was we're wearing the
Speaker 1: same shirt. Another reason put on the coach that made
Speaker 1: sense with the coat for that reason. So for the
Speaker 1: minute and a half that we run on, I mean
Speaker 1: we yeah, we got our We got both of our
Speaker 1: shirts from the Generic Man of two thousand nineteen checkered collection,
Speaker 1: Like who doesn't have Generic whites magazine had a really
Speaker 1: nice good publiction clothing line. Uh, Lindsay, I was going
Speaker 1: through some of the history of Lindsay on the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast, which is just comb through the archives.
Speaker 1: Is very rich here, Yes, that's color also rich history
Speaker 1: of Kelleen. But um, a couple of episodes back. This
Speaker 1: is probably your fifth or six, maybe seventh time on
Speaker 1: the show. Remember there was the Lindsay Rhodes maternity leave extravaganza.
Speaker 1: That was one of the all time favorite Lindsay appearances.
Speaker 1: That's with your second child, right, Okay, don't remember deep
Speaker 1: into probably we were waiting for a brief amount of time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was like my last day before I
Speaker 1: did go, And it's just an indicator that was memorable. Dude.
Speaker 1: Do you remember it now? Yes, exactly. We we all
Speaker 1: have a you know, combined not with each other. But
Speaker 1: we have eight children, and uh how many since we
Speaker 1: started working together? You started an NFL win two eight? Wow,
Speaker 1: all these children have showed up since we all got
Speaker 1: to know each other. How we've been able to work
Speaker 1: together for so long. I mean you and I also
Speaker 1: weren't married when you started here, so you did things
Speaker 1: in that correct order. Dude, did it the right way? Yeah,
Speaker 1: did the right way. Technically. I brought a baby with
Speaker 1: me to ship. Yeah, but we had just men, just
Speaker 1: met the baby, just bet Dan and the baby. She was,
Speaker 1: you know, just the baby. But um, so, yes, the
Speaker 1: history is rich, Lindsay, and we're happy to have you back.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm happy to be here. You're sitting in
Speaker 1: the West chair because Chris Westling is on his honeymoon.
Speaker 1: Uh down in Mexico. I believe, yes, Puerto Biorta is
Speaker 1: that in Mexico. I believe that's where Yes, I believe
Speaker 1: that's where it is. You know that's where it is. Well,
Speaker 1: we also we when he comes back, he has a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about because we group purchased him west
Speaker 1: a big, nice massage, so we'll have to see how
Speaker 1: that went for him. I saw about that on Instagram. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which there was a text chain going back and forth,
Speaker 1: and the idea is this something because you never know
Speaker 1: with West what he likes and what he'll be like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm open for anything, or what he'll be like. I'd
Speaker 1: never do that. I'm a man. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of a coin flip. But I think he I was
Speaker 1: kind of at a pocket this weekend, but he enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: What was his response? I missed everything on that. Gisa
Speaker 1: said that he was on Instagram. I believe he was
Speaker 1: considering now getting monthly massages. That seems there you go,
Speaker 1: he nailed it. Uh so um, happy honeymoon to the
Speaker 1: lovely Westling couple. Uh. Coming up on today's show with
Speaker 1: the Great Lindsay Rhodes of NFL Network. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know, Lindsay, first of all, you're a monster. How
Speaker 1: are you not watching our program? Responsible to not know
Speaker 1: is we're talking about the face of NFL Network. That's uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know eyes and Okay, Eisen maybe is like, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy he was the first person to say words
Speaker 1: on this platform. Yes, he is the face, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the more day to day NFL network. What's
Speaker 1: going on, Lindsay is always there because she is the
Speaker 1: host of NFL Total Access. She's the sucker who will
Speaker 1: show up every single flagship, the flagship program of NFL Network,
Speaker 1: which she co hosts with UH, Scott Hanson and you guys,
Speaker 1: UM do great work. So you check that out. And
Speaker 1: in honor of that, UM, on today's show, we'll do
Speaker 1: another tradition with Lindsay, which is some t A topicals
Speaker 1: we have UH with Lenz also coming up on today's show.
Speaker 1: Under the Radar NFL and m VP candidates. So everybody
Speaker 1: knows that the names that always get bandied about is UH,
Speaker 1: this guy's the m v P, usually a quarterback. UM.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna throw out some names and it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be anything preposterous. It's gonna be people that UM,
Speaker 1: it should make sense as soon as that person says it.
Speaker 1: When we go around the horn. Oh yeah, I can
Speaker 1: see that it's a possibility, so not so far under
Speaker 1: the sitar that you know we would be. He's three
Speaker 1: main plausible like Matt Paradise. You know, he's not going
Speaker 1: to be the m v P. I know he might
Speaker 1: anchor the offensive line UH this year, but he's not
Speaker 1: going to be somebody that you're gonna throw out there
Speaker 1: no offensive linement is everyone the Associated press most like that.
Speaker 1: You're following that up like that was hold on in
Speaker 1: case any of you actually are still on the train
Speaker 1: for Matt to win. This a word, but before we
Speaker 1: do that, let's do some news. Everyone's gonna say something,
Speaker 1: you know when right now, oh, you're awful pig, But
Speaker 1: when he went to Super Bowls, everyone's gonna, oh he
Speaker 1: was a great That's just how life works, well, said
Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley, who was commenting on his new teammate,
Speaker 1: a rookie passer Daniel Jones. That included, like my least
Speaker 1: one of my least favorite things in sports media, which
Speaker 1: is the over eager, too loud, too soon laughter. That
Speaker 1: would never they would never be laughing that much in
Speaker 1: real life off of that con But it was like,
Speaker 1: that's just how life works. I know. I will say
Speaker 1: that you're right. Sometimes journals when athlete actually kinda is
Speaker 1: light and jovial, maybe you get over eager. But then
Speaker 1: you gotta remember these journals also deal with people like
Speaker 1: Tack McKinley in Atlanta. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: his recent post press conference where he gave um eighth
Speaker 1: straight I'm good, that's good, it's good answers, and then
Speaker 1: walked off. So when somebody is actually giving you a
Speaker 1: fun line, I could see they get a little over eager.
Speaker 1: All right, I have a line. I've been, I've been,
Speaker 1: I've done that before. I've you know, given pete athletes
Speaker 1: way too much credit for being funny when you know
Speaker 1: it's fine. One guy that gets too much credit for
Speaker 1: being funny, Rob Gronkowski, the former Patriots tight end. Little
Speaker 1: zinger at you there, but no, he's fine, felt like
Speaker 1: an unnecessary singer, an accurate that needed anyway. Ten weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Gronk called it a career. He stepped away, said I'm
Speaker 1: done playing after a legendary run with the Patriots that
Speaker 1: ended with another Super Bowl title. Remember his agent at
Speaker 1: the time, we were actually in Arizona, Drew Rosenhouse, was
Speaker 1: making himself very public in the lobby throughout the weekend,
Speaker 1: talking loudly on the cell phone, enjoying himself, and he
Speaker 1: told the media he didn't believe it. His own client.
Speaker 1: He said, no, he you know, don't be surprised if
Speaker 1: Gronk plays again. Well, Grock was speaking, uh two reporters
Speaker 1: at a children's event at Gilette Stadium and was asked
Speaker 1: about any you know, rumors that he wants to come
Speaker 1: back or will come back. Whatever I say, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It will always be crazy out there. You can put
Speaker 1: him to rest. I'm feeling good in a good place.
Speaker 1: Thirty years old. You know, a beat up thirty years regular,
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln here, we're out of old. Um No, but
Speaker 1: he uh end quote, thank you, Lizzie. A real journal
Speaker 1: is in the room. But he is, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: showed he had something left in the tank in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but also it was a tough last season. Is he
Speaker 1: coming back? I still think he's gonna be on the
Speaker 1: Patriots in November. I I do believe that. I don't
Speaker 1: but I don't put much stock into what he's saying
Speaker 1: at like a June charity event he's forced to speak.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's thinking that now when it gets to
Speaker 1: September October, like, could his mind change? Maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do training camp and mandatory minicamp in June
Speaker 1: and all that. I feel like it'd be more like
Speaker 1: something where he just comes in for like the stretch run.
Speaker 1: Belichick always says, you know, season starts at Thanksgiving or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's when we start. That might fit me in there.
Speaker 1: It's the one case where it's the Patriots have been
Speaker 1: too successful because what is the motivation. It's not the
Speaker 1: athlete trying to get come back to get that Antonio
Speaker 1: Gates that one Super Bowl run. Well, you've been there
Speaker 1: like fourteen times, your dominant What is why? What is
Speaker 1: more appealing than you know, watching football from a distance
Speaker 1: to no longer be giant people? I get it. I
Speaker 1: tend to think that that that he probably won't come back.
Speaker 1: I think he definitely believes he won't right now. Um,
Speaker 1: but primarily because I think the Patriots are going to
Speaker 1: change their whole offense. They haven't. It's not like they
Speaker 1: brought in another tight end to take his place, So
Speaker 1: I feel like I I feel like they're just going
Speaker 1: to do it completely differently this year, and that it
Speaker 1: would be weird to call him up in November like
Speaker 1: you would normally do that. If the guy that they
Speaker 1: brought in to take his place got hurt and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're looking for a tight end,
Speaker 1: would that be a reason why to rule it out
Speaker 1: from an organization standpoint. I feel like if you have
Speaker 1: a chance to get a recharged and into it, Grounk
Speaker 1: and you're often especially like we're speculating now, a lot
Speaker 1: of the football agneth centi is speculating that the Patriots
Speaker 1: could struggle on offense. There's just not a lot of
Speaker 1: really though, Like we haven't heard that narrative the off season.
Speaker 1: It's always they're always expected to struggle because they lost
Speaker 1: Phil in the blank like, and they always find ways struggle.
Speaker 1: I have no expectation for them to struggle this year
Speaker 1: because Gronk left. They've been fine without Grounk, like, they
Speaker 1: find ways. I think he's an extremely special tight end.
Speaker 1: But I think that Bill Belichick will just find a
Speaker 1: different way to attack things offensively, and I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to be fine. I agree with you for
Speaker 1: the record, I don't want to agree with you, but
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots will have a top ten offense
Speaker 1: again this year. It would be a bizarre reality if
Speaker 1: they don't, because they always do. It's just completely different
Speaker 1: time to live in. Uh. Tom Brady, he is the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Patriots. He's entering his age forty two season. Well,
Speaker 1: what about playing even later, Russell Wilson did a had
Speaker 1: a nice conversation with our own Mike Silver, in which
Speaker 1: he explained, you know, he's thirty years old, he just
Speaker 1: signed a big contract with Seattle's entering his ninth season,
Speaker 1: but he wants to play a lot more football. In fact,
Speaker 1: he wants to play until he's forty five years old.
Speaker 1: I feel like begin quote, I feel like I'm just
Speaker 1: getting started. That's the scary part. That's the most exciting part.
Speaker 1: That's really really where I believe that I am right now.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting started, and I believe this team is
Speaker 1: just getting started. So I think that we can do
Speaker 1: anything that we set our minds to do. Close quote.
Speaker 1: So where where was I'm looking for in the company standby? Alright?
Speaker 1: So it's there. It is in the story, which it's
Speaker 1: a beef piece by Mike. I absolutely I would think
Speaker 1: would be earlier in the copy. But well, it's a
Speaker 1: good invite for the listener to go anybody itselves at
Speaker 1: any point, saying that he wants to play until he's
Speaker 1: forty five feels a little bit like, don't put that
Speaker 1: out there, like when people even in any way, and
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen did this last week in a way that
Speaker 1: was very benign and whatever, but he used he compared
Speaker 1: himself to Tom Brady in a way that was very
Speaker 1: not like I'm comparing myself to Tom Brady. But he
Speaker 1: said something like if I could be even you know,
Speaker 1: close to what he is in this way and this
Speaker 1: way and this way, then that's what I want to be.
Speaker 1: And it was a compliment, and it was like, here's
Speaker 1: the bar, and I just him striving to be that.
Speaker 1: But the way that the quote was parsed and then
Speaker 1: put out on Twitter, it becomes this like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: comparing himself to Tom Brady and he's not even close
Speaker 1: to tom Brady. And I just feel like people should
Speaker 1: sort of learn that lesson and maybe just don't even
Speaker 1: going close to that. Tom Brady has been saying forty
Speaker 1: five now for a while, and tom Brady is still
Speaker 1: three seasons away from it, you know, forty five. I'll
Speaker 1: believe that when I see it, like he's turning forty two.
Speaker 1: He's clearly the greatest aging quarterback of all time in
Speaker 1: terms of his ages, you know, thirty nine to forty
Speaker 1: one seasons, and even he I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: he's around in a couple of years. It's a strange thing.
Speaker 1: I know that three years you'd be surprised. Yeah, well wait,
Speaker 1: this is going to be forty two right season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be surprised if you're starting in his age forty
Speaker 1: five season still in the NFL. Yes. To me, from
Speaker 1: a fan angle, it's uh. And I was saying this downstairs,
Speaker 1: these guys that I like star athletes in my life
Speaker 1: for a nice long amount of time, but I don't need.
Speaker 1: For instance, if you're Kyler Murray or Sam Donald, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to play until you're forty five, your career
Speaker 1: wraps in that. And Dan. I like Sam Donald, but
Speaker 1: that's too much of him in my life for the
Speaker 1: next twenty something years. It's like, give me, I want
Speaker 1: Brady to be a little bit more of an outlier
Speaker 1: than every quarterback is playing for the next two plus decades.
Speaker 1: It really does have changed the how the NFL looks
Speaker 1: because right now, Aaron Rodgers, you know, his turning thirty five, sick,
Speaker 1: You would have think he'd be on the back, not
Speaker 1: you know, he'd be kind of wrapping up his career,
Speaker 1: and you don't even think about that with him. They
Speaker 1: just gave Ben Roethlisberger a new contract. He's getting up there.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like Drew Brees. I think Breeze, Rivers and
Speaker 1: Brady and Eli are all free agents next offseason. So
Speaker 1: it's like, what kind of contracts do you give those
Speaker 1: guys at that age. It's it's the last one, not
Speaker 1: a contract. Eli doesn't get a right, that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Giants truly double down on their and Nolde Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota's new backup in Jacksonville. But that's an interesting question
Speaker 1: for the rest of them. Update. I have a more
Speaker 1: pertinent quote the topic by so fast. You think about
Speaker 1: just turning thirty years and what I have for the
Speaker 1: rest of my career for the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I'm just so fired up about it. You think about
Speaker 1: some of the best quarterbacks of all time, guys like Drew,
Speaker 1: guys like Tom. I really look up to those guys.
Speaker 1: There's so much more to do. And then Mike uh
Speaker 1: says five, and then Russell replies, yeah, yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 1: I'm just fired up for it. End quote. Go Hawks,
Speaker 1: moving on, it's a good goal. Yeah. Mark talked about
Speaker 1: on Network. Mark said, up to the minute with Andrews
Speaker 1: Siciliana today that he will be podcasting till he's eighty
Speaker 1: nine or ninety. God willing mark this production questionable. But
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere, maybe in my house, we're doing this
Speaker 1: podcast in forty five years. Oh my gosh, I just
Speaker 1: don't know what to say. I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that would be a grand achievement or
Speaker 1: it feels some type of pet because we are We
Speaker 1: just discussed we have a flock of children that we
Speaker 1: could actually hand the show off too, and they'd be
Speaker 1: handed the show off. They'd be deep into their four
Speaker 1: giving them a career at that point. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you're still there, it will be an
Speaker 1: indictment of the NFL's you know, retirement and healthcare plan. Well,
Speaker 1: we're still needing this show up. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're doing three shows this week. Round up. Yeah. Absolutely. Well.
Speaker 1: One of Russell Wilson's thing is he eats no dairy,
Speaker 1: no mold, no yeast, no gluten, and that's he's going
Speaker 1: to be healthy longer. You're gonna have to change your time.
Speaker 1: No mold, that just means what like no cheese, old mushrooms,
Speaker 1: lots of certain sauces. Soy sauce can be have mold
Speaker 1: to it. How does that end up on your dietary list? Like?
Speaker 1: No mold? Well it's it's yes, it's hard to get
Speaker 1: like an orange with a sheen of green on it
Speaker 1: that you take eat like a hand fruit. No, like,
Speaker 1: it's more like like cheese as a mold. Calvin john
Speaker 1: Let's move. Calvin Johnson is retired wide receiver, a great,
Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer. Um played his entire career
Speaker 1: with the Lions. But there has been no Calvin Johnson
Speaker 1: halftime celebration. There's been no Calvin Johnson Lions anything. And
Speaker 1: it all goes back to, well, what a lot of
Speaker 1: things go back to money. Money, Uh, Calvin Johnson told
Speaker 1: Dave Burkett in the Detroit Free Press, Um, what the
Speaker 1: Lines need to do to get this relationship back on track?
Speaker 1: They already open quote, They already know what they got
Speaker 1: to do. The only way they're gonna get me back
Speaker 1: is they put that money back in my pocket. Close quote.
Speaker 1: And if you remember, the Lions required Megatron to reimburse
Speaker 1: the team for a portion of his signing bonus um
Speaker 1: that he hadn't earned before retiring three years ago. So
Speaker 1: it's I think it's around a million dollars um that
Speaker 1: you know the money if he gets that, that's the
Speaker 1: price tag to get Calvin Johnson back and ford Field
Speaker 1: would you pay for that for what? I have a
Speaker 1: problem with the fact that there's an expectation that that
Speaker 1: he should get that money back in the first place.
Speaker 1: Like I get that, there's also an argument that like
Speaker 1: a million dollars seems like pennies if you're the Lions
Speaker 1: and you get one of the faces of your franchise
Speaker 1: to come back to the table. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm lost on why there's an expectation on his
Speaker 1: part two have earned that money, Like why you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to pay that back if they pay you if
Speaker 1: you sign a three year deal and then you retire
Speaker 1: after yer and then the signing bonus is essentially just
Speaker 1: a way to give you more money around the salary cap.
Speaker 1: So it's a pro rated situation. It's not really like
Speaker 1: thank you so much, because you're an organization of failure
Speaker 1: and he is a player of total excellence and your
Speaker 1: nicol and Diman someone who brought a higher level of
Speaker 1: performance to your organization than your ownership ever has, or
Speaker 1: your coach or pretty much any other player, and you're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna just take that little bit out of your
Speaker 1: pocket because we can. They did the same thing with
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. It's the type of thing, dumb organization, dude.
Speaker 1: They made Barry Sanders repay his signing bonus to them,
Speaker 1: and he always, you know, felt bad about It's it's
Speaker 1: you know, instead of like saying oh, thank you and
Speaker 1: sending cool Instagram messages, just like let him keep his
Speaker 1: money and don't be Nickel and Diamond. It's a bad
Speaker 1: book in respect. I think it speaks to a team
Speaker 1: that post Megatron has almost no other players they could
Speaker 1: even put out there at half time to celebrate. There's
Speaker 1: a very unrich history. He's still playing though, I mean
Speaker 1: talking about past guys a job at best. Let's bring
Speaker 1: him back and throw a bunch of flags up in
Speaker 1: the air. But if you're not doing the work, then
Speaker 1: so if you agreed on and maybe I'm just diving
Speaker 1: into the semantics of this, okay, then every coach should
Speaker 1: have to pay back every every you know year that
Speaker 1: they were unpaid and didn't do the job. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just you're you're making a decision
Speaker 1: ultimately because they're only they're only getting the they only
Speaker 1: keep that money because the team fired them. He walked away.
Speaker 1: It was his decision. So if you're signing a three
Speaker 1: year deal and I don't remember the terms or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like, just if you sign a three year deal
Speaker 1: and you walk away after one year, then you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be paid for the two years that you agreed to
Speaker 1: be paid for, Like that was what you both sides
Speaker 1: decided was your value at the time. I could totally
Speaker 1: don't agree with your point, Like I think that's from
Speaker 1: like a honor the job you did kind of standpoint. Yes,
Speaker 1: the problem a little bit is I think the Lions
Speaker 1: just look petty and all this look at it more
Speaker 1: like the NFL owners having incredible and teams in general
Speaker 1: having incredibly one sided and dominant relationship over player contracts anyways,
Speaker 1: So it's like why why why go out? Why go
Speaker 1: after it? It's like picking on them picking Let's take
Speaker 1: a break in the news now to throw it to
Speaker 1: Lindsay Rhodes again of total access every part of your
Speaker 1: your everyday duties, right, Lindsay's It's not like you just
Speaker 1: walk out on the set at seven pm Easter for
Speaker 1: PM Pacific and just talk about football for forty two minutes. No,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of prep. That's what Hanson does. But
Speaker 1: Lindsay preps. She gets it in a survivalist sort of way.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that in a second as well. Surviving.
Speaker 1: Uh So, in the spirit of that, what Lindsay does
Speaker 1: leading up to um every show, part of it is recording,
Speaker 1: like pre taped. Topical promo is that they show in
Speaker 1: other shows that it's like a little fifteen second commercial
Speaker 1: that really teases you, gets you fired up. Geo oh Man,
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch that show. Ongoing tradition, we give
Speaker 1: Lindsay some copy to reach is not seen this beforehand.
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask Erica to play the music and Lindsay
Speaker 1: take it away tonight on NFL Total Accents, How far
Speaker 1: is too Far? Daniel Jones rams up efforts to replace
Speaker 1: Eli Manning on the field and at home. We have
Speaker 1: Omaruise in Green Bay to find out if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: still respects Matt LeFleur after his hoops injury. Plus Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia's awful chilly recipe Tonight's sevent eastern where my music go?
Speaker 1: What happened to the music? That was the length of
Speaker 1: you know when I read it it was that long,
Speaker 1: but then a professional broadcaster reads it, so you did
Speaker 1: not read that that fast. Now right now here, you're
Speaker 1: ready go total access? How far is too far? Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones rams up everts to replace Eli Manning on the
Speaker 1: field hand. At home we have Omaruise and green Bay
Speaker 1: to find out if Aaron Rodgers still respects matt Lefloora
Speaker 1: after his hoops injury. That's a disaster, Dan, I feel
Speaker 1: like that was shorter. It's getting shorter. How long was?
Speaker 1: I feel a lot better because this was a point
Speaker 1: of contention about my copy and I were how long
Speaker 1: was what you just played? Seconds that I sent earlier
Speaker 1: to It's the same thing she did. Erica didn't as asked.
Speaker 1: That was like a low key like I did, exast
Speaker 1: team that was going to do Thanks for writing second
Speaker 1: copy for my fifteen portrail per her email paper trail M. Well,
Speaker 1: what can you do anyway? That's the first one. Well done, everybody,
Speaker 1: that's great. That was great and at home unnecessary. Don't
Speaker 1: fling those Dan just flung the piece. No, because at
Speaker 1: one point one is going to come and sever my
Speaker 1: eyeball because it's gonna be wayward. Throw. That's about when
Speaker 1: you throw the thinking about some other human will have
Speaker 1: to ultimately pick up Dan's refuse. Well, there's that secondary issue. Yes,
Speaker 1: grow up here, we got moving on in the news.
Speaker 1: Moe Wilkerson. You remember big Mohammed Wilkerson, Uh, former Jets
Speaker 1: pro bowler, got a big contract, didn't play well, didn't
Speaker 1: work hard, got cut, signed with the Packers, got hurt,
Speaker 1: and he has not been able to get a job
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna get easier. He got a d
Speaker 1: U I in New York City. The twenty nine year
Speaker 1: old blew a point oh nine during a early morning
Speaker 1: stop UM and released on Boden later Saturday. UM. He
Speaker 1: was actually ranked at rank greg at number eighty eight
Speaker 1: on your Top one hundred free agents, but the market
Speaker 1: has not come together. I don't know if Wilkerson is healthy,
Speaker 1: but now and off the field incident not helping things. Well.
Speaker 1: This will especially hurt his chances because he was rumored
Speaker 1: to have a drinking problem when a member of the Jets,
Speaker 1: I think it was that was pretty much out in
Speaker 1: the open um and so any chance of him getting
Speaker 1: back in the league it went down, I would have
Speaker 1: thought he would have been able to play again. He
Speaker 1: was playing okay at the beginning of last year before
Speaker 1: he got hurt. It feels like I've heard more about
Speaker 1: the negative stories of Mohammed Wilkerson having nothing to do
Speaker 1: with his play than I've heard about his play. And
Speaker 1: when on a list that only consists to players without
Speaker 1: a job, I don't know that that means, like, you know,
Speaker 1: any right to uh to be out with your adventures
Speaker 1: on the road uh and other news. This is something
Speaker 1: that we should all be plugging in on. A report
Speaker 1: um published by the Breakthrough National Center for Climate Restoration
Speaker 1: think tank in Melbourne, Australia, describes climate change as a
Speaker 1: quote near to mid term existential threat to human civilization
Speaker 1: and sets out a plausible scenario where business as usual
Speaker 1: could lead over the next thirty years. And what's going
Speaker 1: to happen the end of civilization? High likelihood of human
Speaker 1: civilization coming to an end in twenty fifty. Who's work,
Speaker 1: Who's by it? Well, here's what I'd say is that
Speaker 1: what has got us into this situation already probably is
Speaker 1: irreversible by any habits that we any better habits that
Speaker 1: we conduct over the next couple of decades, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean like everything is going to be fine on December.
Speaker 1: That's the attitude they're trying to fight there is like
Speaker 1: the that's essentially that, that's much of the opposition's argument.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like there's no way to hold on.
Speaker 1: I use my blue recyclable bin in my at my
Speaker 1: household problem, right, so you're not. It freaks me out
Speaker 1: when people come over to my house and throw away
Speaker 1: things that are recyclable. I don't go through it, but
Speaker 1: if there's something sitting right on top, I will take
Speaker 1: it out and go putty. I looked at the positive
Speaker 1: whause this guy said forty nine if he was asked
Speaker 1: to give a percentage chance, you know, civilization starts to
Speaker 1: you know, crumble, it's a better than half that we're
Speaker 1: in the clear. You know who else doesn't like those odds?
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's attempts to play till he's forty, thank you,
Speaker 1: which his career would wrap around, but then his then
Speaker 1: suddenly you go into the later stages of life and
Speaker 1: it's it's a wrap within seven years well, I mean
Speaker 1: you want to enjoy that retirement. Its civilization is done
Speaker 1: by fifty, then when is it starting to wipe up?
Speaker 1: Like like when are we like really in crisis mode
Speaker 1: like walking dead without the zombies, but we don't have
Speaker 1: civilization anymore. I would say within seven years we'd start
Speaker 1: to see fundamental breakdown issues that would be there would
Speaker 1: still be years now or seven years now off. I
Speaker 1: mean the Earth moves at a snail's pace, like it's
Speaker 1: not like a seven things are going to start the
Speaker 1: tail off, So that would really inhibit his chances of planking.
Speaker 1: Largely sucky scenario. It's for everyone involved a thirty one
Speaker 1: more years of NHL hockey, though to still enjoy it
Speaker 1: does make you like think about wow, the debate about
Speaker 1: the eighteen game NFL season doesn't seem as pressing. Put
Speaker 1: that on the back burn. Finally, in the news, Scott
Speaker 1: Smith of buccaneers dot Com has it. Over the weekend,
Speaker 1: Bruce arians Bucks head coach, put some pressure on kicker
Speaker 1: Matt Gay, the rookie who's in a big battle against
Speaker 1: Cairo Santos. Lined up Gay for a fifty yard or
Speaker 1: if he makes it, practice ends an hour early. If
Speaker 1: he misses it, everyone hates him. That's how you do it.
Speaker 1: Bruce pushing the right buttons, the rookie drilled and practice over.
Speaker 1: Have a nice Gay Santos Zilch the number one camp
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Speaker 1: do that, it's time for another t a topical with
Speaker 1: Lindsay Rhodes. Now, I messed up the time, and I
Speaker 1: actually now realized what I did wrong. And it's an
Speaker 1: interesting kind of human trait reading it just to myself
Speaker 1: in your mind much faster. I never took the extra
Speaker 1: step to read it out loud. I have made a
Speaker 1: similar mistake, I predict. I know I'm gonna do some editing.
Speaker 1: Am I going up next? Or as a mark? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in the middle of an editing process,
Speaker 1: now it's gonna be simple. I'm gonna cross out this
Speaker 1: line right here, trying to get it under and I
Speaker 1: wish I had, But you know, men who said that
Speaker 1: was that America. It was Lindsay Lindsay pretty much. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe read it through once and nothing surprises you, but
Speaker 1: let's stop it. I didn't get the shafety reinforcements hit
Speaker 1: the music. Ricky on NFL Total Access, Big Fin or
Speaker 1: Big Baby, Jade Snyder on Jason Garrett's new hair colored,
Speaker 1: Freddie Wayne on raising the minimum wage and special in
Speaker 1: studio guest that guy from Modern Family again Total Access
Speaker 1: seventies Stern still too long? It was that was? That
Speaker 1: was good? Though? Which guy from Modern Fire Family? I
Speaker 1: don't know. They always have the guy from and don't
Speaker 1: know who it is, Like, Hey, some stone Street who's
Speaker 1: a big Chiefs fan, which is obviously who he was
Speaker 1: talking about. Or it could be the dad who's a
Speaker 1: Rams fan. Yeah, but multiple dads on that show. The
Speaker 1: dad like I always see him. I don't go out
Speaker 1: on dates. Is that what we're talking about life anymore? What?
Speaker 1: Who billed Dunfi the dad? Or were you talking about
Speaker 1: stone Street? No, Duffy, how are you talking about him?
Speaker 1: Stone Streets on Rich Eyes and Show like once we
Speaker 1: but Duffy Duffy is like the main dad on the show,
Speaker 1: and I've seen him many times in downtown Culver City,
Speaker 1: just walking with his family. Just wanted to point that out.
Speaker 1: All right, he's a RAMS fan. There you go. Now
Speaker 1: you have something to talk about next time you encounter him.
Speaker 1: Duffy it's not his real name. All right. That was good,
Speaker 1: but we still have not hit it yet where the
Speaker 1: music is SYNCD up with the I think there's like
Speaker 1: a longer out tro where. Yeah, there's definitely a longer
Speaker 1: because we have a thirty second the topical thirty seconds
Speaker 1: m seconds. I think this was the plan, and no
Speaker 1: one explored that there's still a window here to in
Speaker 1: a lane to possibly pin it on our producer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like and it's a small lane. But just
Speaker 1: you've read these, is it true at some point? You
Speaker 1: haven't had one where it was Big Ben or Big Baby?
Speaker 1: What are they? A little too dealers? I enjoyed. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed your copy, which was Judge, But I don't know
Speaker 1: that we'd go. We'd like couch it just like after
Speaker 1: a game where he's complaining about the rafts or something.
Speaker 1: Come on, where can you imagine that cut line graphically
Speaker 1: like a Big Baby question mark? Well he's shining. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, we got one more to come. A lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on Mark, actually none because you both have
Speaker 1: utterly failed. Literally, that's a good point. That's a good
Speaker 1: Pointe will fall and be like within fifteen seconds and
Speaker 1: we're good. All right, here we go. Let's get to
Speaker 1: it now. Let's talk about under the radar m VP candidates.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know the names that get thrown
Speaker 1: out every year. You're Drew brees Is although he's never
Speaker 1: won one. Uh Patrick Mahomes of course, will be a
Speaker 1: popular pick every year. That guy. There's always somebody out there. Greg,
Speaker 1: I feel like you've done this before. This is it.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson gonna win that trophy? Of course Tom Brady
Speaker 1: who has a whole bunch of them, but where more
Speaker 1: of the big Ben's finally got to win an MPU
Speaker 1: or guy now I'm now I'm over with that. Although
Speaker 1: if they have a good year, this is the year
Speaker 1: for it to happen, because nobody can make the argument
Speaker 1: that it is leavy On Bell that's really the reason
Speaker 1: for his success or nobody else has Antonio Brown to throat,
Speaker 1: it's never happened. He's thinking, never even come close. Brian
Speaker 1: Bill came close on the j Cutler prediction that generated
Speaker 1: some waves. Big Ben has one Team MVP award in
Speaker 1: his entire career. So UM and the the idea I was,
Speaker 1: I'm working on a piece. You could read it on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: UM Team MVP Predictions in the a f C and
Speaker 1: then on Wednesday NFC Team MVP Predictions. We are so
Speaker 1: deep into. Don't be judging of the column. Just please
Speaker 1: read it. I'll read it. I'll be sure to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be refreshing my Twitter feed. Alright,
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is go around the horn
Speaker 1: a couple of times here and throw out some UH
Speaker 1: candidates and Greg I will start with you, throw out
Speaker 1: and under the radar two MVP candidate. Well to do
Speaker 1: this since now it seems like the NFL and UH
Speaker 1: and the desert as we refer to here are getting
Speaker 1: like a little tighter. It's like not as big a thing.
Speaker 1: I went to even look at the odds, so I
Speaker 1: didn't want to take anyone in the top ten possible. Wait,
Speaker 1: can you kind of curious? Well, as we go along,
Speaker 1: I'll say, what the here's one plus four thousand. I'm
Speaker 1: just putting the number out there here. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means, but it sounds like a lot. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you put down a hundred, you get you would get
Speaker 1: four thousand back for this. We're gonna have to cut
Speaker 1: all this out. Quarterbacks generally win it, but not always.
Speaker 1: Occasionally they'll throw a running back in the mix. And
Speaker 1: what running back I think is in a better position
Speaker 1: to sneak up and get an m v P than
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara this year, not a lot of other big
Speaker 1: time offensive skill weapons on that team. Not only is
Speaker 1: mark Ingram gone, but it's basically just like Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: and Alvin Kamara, and he does things that other players
Speaker 1: just don't. And I think he is set up for
Speaker 1: a twenty two thousand yards from scrimmage type of season
Speaker 1: where he catches a ton of passes, he scores a
Speaker 1: ton of touchdowns. You look at the Saints and on
Speaker 1: paper they kind of look like the best team in
Speaker 1: the NFL going into the year. And Drew Brees is
Speaker 1: you know, he will certainly be in the mix if
Speaker 1: if they're if they have that could have a record.
Speaker 1: But if we're looking for under the radar and like
Speaker 1: something that might be a little more surprising, I could
Speaker 1: absolutely see Alvin Kamara in his third season in the
Speaker 1: league kind of putting it all together and having his
Speaker 1: career year. I just think they wouldn't give it to
Speaker 1: him over Breeze. Like if the Saints are in that position,
Speaker 1: I think you've got to be in a spot like
Speaker 1: the other running backs that have won it, where Sean
Speaker 1: Alexander or Ladinian Thomlinson. You score a lot of touchdowns,
Speaker 1: you put up a lot of yards. Everyone can see
Speaker 1: that it's not necessarily Drew Brees's best season. Uh, the
Speaker 1: defense is really good. Are predicting it's not going to
Speaker 1: be Drew Breeses in this scenario. Yeah, I mean if
Speaker 1: if Drew Brees puts up a slightly worse season than
Speaker 1: he did a year ago and it's their defense that
Speaker 1: keeps getting better and it's Camara in the running game,
Speaker 1: I can absolutely see a scenario where they're the one
Speaker 1: seed in cameo. And Yeah, to Lindsay's point, if Breeze
Speaker 1: puts up a representative season, I think he would get
Speaker 1: the nod. Well, a lot of this is narrative driven
Speaker 1: in will in theory be the final year of Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: They there was a big push for that to happen
Speaker 1: last year, you know, doing roughly seven billion video but
Speaker 1: he didn't. In the end, Drew Brees, he didn't. But
Speaker 1: that's like if if he did another Drew Breese ish
Speaker 1: type year where he isn't noticeably falling off the cliff's
Speaker 1: Alvin Camara, to me, is is such a unique, almost
Speaker 1: singular type of player that he at this point to me,
Speaker 1: has a better chance of putting together and absolutely bonkers
Speaker 1: year that blows your mind, and Drew Brees does. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think Breeze would have gotten it last year if
Speaker 1: Mahomes wasn't so great. He just couldn't be denied. It
Speaker 1: was five thousand yards, fifty touchdowns, basically was the most
Speaker 1: exciting player in football. Um so Breeze how to take
Speaker 1: the back seat. But I'm gonna bring up another third
Speaker 1: year running back about that, a guy that also came
Speaker 1: very close to uh two thousand yards from scrimmage um
Speaker 1: and also came about a hundred and twenty yards that
Speaker 1: believe from being the third player ever running back ever
Speaker 1: to have one thousand yards rushing and one thousand yards received. Thing.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going the poor man's camera, Well,
Speaker 1: that's when we put that's one way to put it.
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. You call him the poor man's camera. How
Speaker 1: dare you? This kid is after a nice rookie season
Speaker 1: in Carolina, but maybe some a little bit underwhelming as
Speaker 1: a rusher. I think last year he kind of absolutely
Speaker 1: justified why Carolina used the top ten pick on a
Speaker 1: running back. And I think things are kind of lined
Speaker 1: up for this guy to even take his game up
Speaker 1: to the next level. When you think about Cam Newton
Speaker 1: and where he's at physically now coming back from the
Speaker 1: second shoulder surgery, He's thirty years old. That entire organization
Speaker 1: is all about how do we get um Cam Newton
Speaker 1: through a season healthier? And you know what that means.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is not going to be diving over the
Speaker 1: goal line anymore. He's gonna be absolutely running lest We
Speaker 1: saw that last year when McCaffrey became kind of their
Speaker 1: goal line guy. So you're gonna he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: touch monster. We know that McCaffrey both as receiver and
Speaker 1: a russia, but he's also gonna be their goal line guy.
Speaker 1: And I think Caroline is gonna be a good team
Speaker 1: this year. I think they're gonna be in the mix,
Speaker 1: so they won't be an also around like they turned
Speaker 1: into last year if Camp could stay healthy. So for
Speaker 1: all those reasons, I think mccavery, who I guess some
Speaker 1: people call a poor man something, I believe he is
Speaker 1: a superstar and in his third year is primed maybe
Speaker 1: have his best season. I like it because, I mean,
Speaker 1: under the radar has to this exercise has to happen,
Speaker 1: acknowledging that the way this voting process works makes running
Speaker 1: backs extremely unlikely unless they have one of these absolutely
Speaker 1: blow your mind seasons. But I feel like for McCaffrey
Speaker 1: to win, because you're gonna be battling guys like Sequon
Speaker 1: Barkley and fill in the blank. To that your numbers
Speaker 1: are gonna have to be so huge, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to have like single handedly won four or five
Speaker 1: like key games for them, and they need to go
Speaker 1: like thirteen and three, which that's all possible. But I
Speaker 1: just like in the mix that well Peterson, that was
Speaker 1: a and the six vikings seem I don't think the
Speaker 1: team needs to be a total monster force, but he
Speaker 1: has to be clearly like with breeze Um and Camara
Speaker 1: has to be the guy that's seen as the engine
Speaker 1: driving the show. And even more than that, it has
Speaker 1: to be almost like historic if it's if it's going
Speaker 1: to be team. And they went into the off season
Speaker 1: saying they thought, you know, they wanted to take the
Speaker 1: load off him a little bit, but then they did
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to get someone really capable of taking that
Speaker 1: load off. So he'll get a lot of carries. I
Speaker 1: worry more about him than Camara in terms of total touch.
Speaker 1: It like Camara is just a little thicker, like they think,
Speaker 1: have you seen McCaffrey recently? That's true. He's looking he's
Speaker 1: almost well, he's looking like he's on Dion Jordan's season.
Speaker 1: And Melvin Gordon has the best shot of the running
Speaker 1: backs for the reason, so the same reason that I
Speaker 1: think of. And that's not my answer, by the way,
Speaker 1: but so I think it was. Mark's answer is no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll shift gears. No no, no no no. If Melvin, no,
Speaker 1: it was not, I was a Tory. You're good, alright,
Speaker 1: guess God stay in your lane. Um, I mean, because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a quarterback who is going to demand
Speaker 1: the votes, right, So if the Chargers are that are
Speaker 1: really good team this year, which I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people expect them to be. Then it kind of
Speaker 1: is going to run through Melvin. He's going to be
Speaker 1: a big part of the reason why, and then Philip.
Speaker 1: He's always good and he'll be a part of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that people he's not slotted in
Speaker 1: that like, well, if they're really good, we have to
Speaker 1: vote for Philip. I think people will think that the
Speaker 1: difference maker there is Melvin because Phillip has always been
Speaker 1: there and he's always been good, and they still haven't
Speaker 1: gone anywhere. So I think so, I I'm wondering how
Speaker 1: dark horse we're going to need to be because I'm
Speaker 1: not like you. It's not going to be a running
Speaker 1: back because there are never any running back. So I
Speaker 1: like the dark horse factor, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a dark I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be that. So I'm going quarterback like Andrew luck
Speaker 1: is not dark horse, right, like you take him off
Speaker 1: the tip, Okay, so then we're going like really dark horse.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw Derek Carr out there, and here is
Speaker 1: why I'm going to do it, because we've seen him
Speaker 1: have an m v P caliber season before, so we
Speaker 1: know that he can do it. It's not a total
Speaker 1: like shot in the dark. And now you have these
Speaker 1: offensive weapons that are playing with him. You put some
Speaker 1: weapons in front of him on the offensive line. I
Speaker 1: think that offense could look incredibly different ways that we
Speaker 1: can't even really fathom right now because they were so
Speaker 1: bad last year. Derek Carr was a checkdown king last
Speaker 1: season UM, but he didn't have any weapons that could
Speaker 1: really stretch the field. PF just put out some numbers
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. Has he's their number
Speaker 1: one rated UM deep ball efficiency passer in the league.
Speaker 1: Part of that probably is because he didn't go downfield
Speaker 1: very much and so maybe that could be a knock
Speaker 1: against him. But he had like a fifty two completion
Speaker 1: percentage on UM deep passes, so he can do that,
Speaker 1: and he certainly has the weapons to do that with
Speaker 1: Hayrol Williams and Antonio Brown and now you have Josh
Speaker 1: Jacobs in the backfield keeping defenses. Honest I think you
Speaker 1: could see a major turnaround because his rating is a
Speaker 1: little low right now. I feel like he's been through
Speaker 1: super rough two years, but everyone felt very different, much
Speaker 1: differently about him before he got hurt, he got some,
Speaker 1: he got some literal m v P votes. So the
Speaker 1: fact that he is now right now plus ten thousand
Speaker 1: around which is the same, which is basically what they
Speaker 1: give to someone that has almost no shot. Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is there, James Conner, Kyler, Murray, Leonard four Net, Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: So he's drive East, Lindsay's deep drive East is what
Speaker 1: I'll say, if you truly believe it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a team award partly, so they will have to win
Speaker 1: some games for that to happen. I think ten, as
Speaker 1: we've learned with ten, sounds about right. But for quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're right, he's gonna have to win more than that.
Speaker 1: And you are forever tied to Derek Carr in this
Speaker 1: podcast is as the woman who brokered the piece. Of course,
Speaker 1: you're welcome between Greg and I and Derek who unblocked us.
Speaker 1: There was a Pro Football Talk put out a right
Speaker 1: up this slow part of the season football calendar, UH
Speaker 1: did a whole article about how they were blocked by
Speaker 1: Derek car or maybe it was a tweet. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. If I don't know that Pro Football Talks, UH,
Speaker 1: they're not articles so much as far as that as
Speaker 1: complaints on Twitter. Uh so Derek is still blocking away.
Speaker 1: But at last time I checked, Um, we're safe, We're safe.
Speaker 1: And that's when somebody on the show is saying m
Speaker 1: v P for Derek Carr. That only hell, that's good.
Speaker 1: That reflects well on us. I mean that would be
Speaker 1: that is a dark horse. But to your point, Mark, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago. It's always dangerous to play
Speaker 1: the it wasn't that long ago game, especially in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But he was before he broke his ankle. He was
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. Now he has arguably the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in football on his team. Why couldn't
Speaker 1: he get back to those heights throwing out there, Sessler,
Speaker 1: I you know, you have to go back to six
Speaker 1: for a defensive player to have wanted Lawrence Taylor. And
Speaker 1: yet I would argue that it's concerning that that J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: for instance, his absolute peak, didn't pull one of these
Speaker 1: wards because it's clear to me the Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year is essentially just what they're calling m v
Speaker 1: P on defense, and it's the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: we have gone thirty something years since the defensive players
Speaker 1: so I was like coming up with someone that could
Speaker 1: maybe pull it off, and it needs to be for me,
Speaker 1: a team or a player that would generate an intense
Speaker 1: amount of sacks. It would be like a record setting
Speaker 1: type year and on a great defense, on a team
Speaker 1: that could have the best record in the a f C.
Speaker 1: And so I went with Joey Bosa. And you need
Speaker 1: him to stay healthy. That's a concern, but it does
Speaker 1: seem like a guy because I love that they got
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery to kind of clog up the middle, and
Speaker 1: you still have Melvin Ingram, You've got there's reason to
Speaker 1: believe that Bosa will be not getting triple teamed as much.
Speaker 1: He have a chance to have a big year if
Speaker 1: he stays healthy puts up an insane amount of sacks.
Speaker 1: And then there's needs to be because it's all narrative driven.
Speaker 1: This mid season sort of ground swell for why haven't
Speaker 1: we picked a defensive player in so long? Isn't something
Speaker 1: wrong with our system? Now? The defensive players in the league,
Speaker 1: and then bang Bosa gets picked and you look back
Speaker 1: on this early June episode and to say, how did
Speaker 1: he know ahead of times six months ago that this
Speaker 1: would happen episode over. Wow, I think honestly, I you're right,
Speaker 1: that's like forever ago. I think you need like sacks
Speaker 1: to win the m v P probably like not even
Speaker 1: break the record, like shadow the record. I think that's
Speaker 1: probably what he'd have to do. And that's a tall right.
Speaker 1: I think what seasons and one of them was against
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers's best season, so that was it was that
Speaker 1: Cam Newton had but that season where was what versus Cam?
Speaker 1: Like those are the best defensive seasons possible. Aaron Donald really,
Speaker 1: if you look at at least that's the pressures and
Speaker 1: stuff would be up there, and he really hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: much attention, so it's gonna be tough. Joey Boss has
Speaker 1: gotta he just gotta stay healthy. He's probably three years
Speaker 1: right now. He has one really healthy year out of
Speaker 1: those three. Aaron's shot would be this year if Gurley
Speaker 1: doesn't pan out, but the offense somehow still works, although no,
Speaker 1: because then if the offense works without Girly, then people
Speaker 1: it will be because golf is good. So never mind
Speaker 1: game winning plays for a defensive player, even though a
Speaker 1: lot of that it would be on luck. Is how
Speaker 1: you do it, like Paulo Malo and suck like where
Speaker 1: you make where you make like three play at the
Speaker 1: end of a game to win a game. That that
Speaker 1: what about Khalil Mack because Cleil Mac has the potential
Speaker 1: to make those plays in that type of environment on
Speaker 1: a team that really doesn't have any other superstars. So
Speaker 1: early about defense, right, Like if you look like I
Speaker 1: would think, if you look at October last year, Mac
Speaker 1: is someone that you would have had to say has
Speaker 1: a chance to if he continues to and it is
Speaker 1: climbing having those great games if Al Michael's and Chris
Speaker 1: Collinsworth are in the building. When you have those games
Speaker 1: and it becomes the big story on Monday, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, Mark with a narrative, it's built into
Speaker 1: It's a storyline reward as much as it is a production.
Speaker 1: Let's go one more time around the worn, a little quicker,
Speaker 1: a little speed round. We're all right, Well, I'll go
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson, who I think is someone who can
Speaker 1: make enough absolutely incredible plays who obviously is just putting
Speaker 1: a team on his back in a way that they love.
Speaker 1: M VP voters love that it's not about almost anyone
Speaker 1: else it's just about Deshaun Watson like making extraordinary plays,
Speaker 1: and I like, if I was trying to take a
Speaker 1: real long shot at quarterback, he would be my pick.
Speaker 1: That was my choice as well for everything you just said,
Speaker 1: and also just the idea that he kind of has
Speaker 1: been a little bit overlooked in the conversation with the
Speaker 1: best young quarterbacks in football, and he shouldn't be. With
Speaker 1: that awful offensive line where he got sacked sixty two times,
Speaker 1: knocked down a hundred and thirty two times, He's still
Speaker 1: accounted for thirty one of their thirty eight touchdowns. Watson
Speaker 1: is a stud and if that offensive line, if the
Speaker 1: upgrades take, he will get a lot better and those
Speaker 1: numbers could reflect in an m v P type campaign.
Speaker 1: What about you, Lin's um, this is not what I
Speaker 1: believe will happen, But I'm just gonna throw out a
Speaker 1: dark horse option because when you look at the teams
Speaker 1: that are it has to be a team that's positioned
Speaker 1: to do well. If the team does well, it will
Speaker 1: likely because this person is playing well. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just because if he takes that step from
Speaker 1: one to two, if he fixes some of what appeared
Speaker 1: to be flaws in the passing game, but he still
Speaker 1: has that run game ability, which obviously he will um
Speaker 1: then and if the Ravens are good next year, which
Speaker 1: I think that you know, they've taken a hit in
Speaker 1: terms of expectations. Everybody's talking about the Browns, so people
Speaker 1: will be more surprised that they're good, and then they'll
Speaker 1: be more likely to reward the reason why So I
Speaker 1: think maybe a'll uh, like you know, Cam when he
Speaker 1: won that m VP year, kind of from an expectation standpoint,
Speaker 1: you just kind of come out of maybe maybe Lamar
Speaker 1: He's probably not going to put up like numbers that
Speaker 1: normally net an m v P A court. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: looking at the odds that he actually has better odds
Speaker 1: than Derek Carr. He he was not that low unless
Speaker 1: he was right in the same ballpark of Deshaun Watson. Uh, finally,
Speaker 1: close this out, Mark, This is one where um, I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not gonna go bet the house that I
Speaker 1: don't even own on this, but um Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: let me throw it out to you. Why I think
Speaker 1: it could. It doesn't need the Cardinals to go thirteen
Speaker 1: and three because I think it's going to be an
Speaker 1: offense that from wire to wire gets a ton of attention,
Speaker 1: and for good reason, I think they're gonna be They went.
Speaker 1: It helps to have gone from being one of the
Speaker 1: most boring teams to watch in our human lifetime to
Speaker 1: what will be potentially a fascinating human attack. And if
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray goes out and does things that we haven't
Speaker 1: seen a quarterback do, and if he succeeds, he plays
Speaker 1: from wire to wire, throws a ton of touchdowns and
Speaker 1: they lighted up and maybe knock out a few heavy
Speaker 1: hitters down the stretch and play that sort of berserker
Speaker 1: role that knocks like a team like the Packers out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs or something late, and Kyler Murray is
Speaker 1: sort of doing it week to week. Then it is
Speaker 1: he becomes the guy that suddenly is even more exciting
Speaker 1: than Patrick Mahomes from a perception angle, and you get
Speaker 1: voters to start voting for that kind of thing. Long shot, Yes,
Speaker 1: that would be outrageous if he stepped into the league
Speaker 1: and was dominant and they still probably have to win
Speaker 1: get pos I think they go. Let's say they were
Speaker 1: like a sexy nine and seven where in or out
Speaker 1: like you can just say the whole organization has been
Speaker 1: totally changed by coach and quarter. Mean, I'd love to
Speaker 1: know the last time there was an m v P,
Speaker 1: if there ever was, where the team didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I know what Peterson did it. They just barely got in. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why it's so narrative driven though it's it's but
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Barry standards one along with
Speaker 1: Brett Farve. I don't know what they did that year. Um, anyway, good,
Speaker 1: good stuff. We got another one, another topical mark A
Speaker 1: lot of stress around this problem? Am I supposed to
Speaker 1: read that part? Yeah? The whole thing? Okay, got it?
Speaker 1: All right? You ready? Wait too long? And then Ricky
Speaker 1: you have one too, right? Yeah, I just whipped on up. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ricky whipped on up as well. Well, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: timed out perfectly from the producer. Well we'll see about that. Well,
Speaker 1: she's a professional. She's been reading it out loud in
Speaker 1: the booth. She has not even been listening to the shows.
Speaker 1: Well that wouldn't be new. All right, here we go,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Rhodes take it away on NFL Total Access. Oh,
Speaker 1: Odell what's next for the Browns after Odell Beckham was
Speaker 1: kidnapped by an angry band of female Cause players dressed
Speaker 1: up as Velma from Scooby Doo? Did you run out already? Okay?
Speaker 1: And is it Cause Players? I've always wondered how you
Speaker 1: pronounced that. I think you nailed that. Okay, she still
Speaker 1: got his version because it fades out in the real verse.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying earlier. Adam Gates response to
Speaker 1: reports that Sam Donald has been bald since age seventeen.
Speaker 1: It wears a meaty blondish wig made from the preserved
Speaker 1: tea or your frontier at seven Eastern. Um, Sam Donalds
Speaker 1: hare is real and it is magnificent. That's what you think?
Speaker 1: All right? Here comes Erica, Erica, by the way it
Speaker 1: should be uh oh wait yea Erica, who totally um
Speaker 1: is gaslighting us right now? There you go? Okay, here
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Speaker 1: will attempt to nail it, Lindsay take it away on
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Speaker 1: Well well done, Erica, Way to go, Erica. You're the best.
Speaker 1: You've done it again. You win. I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1: I thought you was gonna be so nice. Three podcast
Speaker 1: bozos who talked too much. Also West once a end
Speaker 1: left out of the mix, and some football stuff you
Speaker 1: actually care about that. I like, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what shows what Erica's fair play? Fair play? H Lindsay.
Speaker 1: I mean, what can be said? You came in and
Speaker 1: you said it all. You've you've done it again and
Speaker 1: let it Let it be known to the audience that
Speaker 1: um Lindsay did it all with not a single paper
Speaker 1: in front of her because and there's no tele prompt either,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there were a lot of really
Speaker 1: heavily detailed arguments that were made. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's stupid. I mean you and you're doing it truly
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Speaker 1: Right now? The only nerves that I have are I'm
Speaker 1: refreshing constantly to see if Drill McCoy signed, because we
Speaker 1: would love to have that story for our luck. Because
Speaker 1: it's June. You still feel like a little bit of
Speaker 1: juice in the moments before the show starts, right, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be totally dead inside to that, right,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't describe myself as dead inside in that moment,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I have nerves anymore before
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Speaker 1: are actually watching because there's about the same, like fifteen
Speaker 1: people on set every day, so it just sort of
Speaker 1: feels like you're having just like we're just like a
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Speaker 1: All Right, that's it, We'll be back Wednesday. So uh,
Speaker 1: while usually say at the end of this, so this
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