1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben, and we're joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's time for 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: our weekly listener mail segment. Thanks everybody who reaches out continually, 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: whether to the show pages or personally, or whether through 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: hauling us, or whether through email or you know, playing 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: with a mirror at midnight in a dark room. Uh. 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: We we read every missive we get uh. And this 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: is one of our favorite parts of the week. We're 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: going to we're gonna hear from Tall Pockets, We're gonna 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: hear from Jasper to returning conspiracy realists, and then we're 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: also going to give a shout out to some residents 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: of our Facebook page. Here's where it gets crazy, Justin 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: and Joe. Uh, we're getting into some weird stuff. Hatchet drones, 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: telekinesis no fooling true story. Maybe a little bit about 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: industrial cloning, but we thought we're better to start than 23 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: our all the magnificent responses that we've had to our 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: recent segment on the breakthrough rectal cancer cure, which it 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: does appear to be. Yeah, I think the best way 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: to say it is thank you to everyone who wrote in. 27 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: In some cases we have to protect your anonymity, which 28 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: we hold sacker sinct. But for everyone who has given 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: us con sent to share their stories beyond the lookout 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: for a future listener male segment that will focus entirely 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: on the Big Sea for now. Um, Matt, I think 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: you and I both were very taken uh with the 33 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: wonderfully written correspondence from our collague Jasper. That's right, Jasper 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: wrote to us after we were speaking. I guess about immunologies. 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: How you say it, Jasper, That's what it is. I 36 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: think Euroada was with a with an awesome visualization of 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: some of the things we were talking about. We're talking 38 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: about antibodies, were specifically talking about receptors and what an 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: antibody does, how it functions, and then how the immune 40 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: system within each of our bodies reacts when certain organisms, 41 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: let's say, are marked by antibodies. So let's get into this. 42 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna begin on your second paragraph, just so 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: you're aware, jas Spur, you said, So, imagine your body 44 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: is a walled off city. You have millions of little buildings. 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: These are cells within your walls, which is your skin, 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and your immune system patrols the city and it destroys 47 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: anything that A shouldn't be there or B has begun 48 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: breaking down or aged out of usefulness. Makes sense, right, 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: this is me talking. We've got our city that is 50 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: our body, and uh, your immune system is the patrol. 51 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: So you have an intelligence department, which are B cells, 52 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: and an operations department, which are T cells. There are 53 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: some additional special forces mixed in, but B cells and 54 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: T cells are the most common types in the mix 55 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: be intelligence, T operations. T cells out number B cells 56 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: by quite a few because they act as the ground troops. Right, 57 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: These are the officers on the ground. The B i A, 58 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: as Jasper has put it, or the B cell intelligence 59 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: agency is constantly circulating surveillance drones the things that we 60 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: call antibodies. It's really interesting to me to think about 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: antibodies as surveillance drones, right, I think that's amazing. Uh So, 62 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: these drones have the ability to perfectly distinguish intruders from 63 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: residents of your walled in city. When they find an intruder, 64 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: they latch onto it, and depending on where they grab 65 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the intruder, the drones can either slow it down, incapacitate 66 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: or neutralize it, or simply stick on it without impacting 67 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: the intruders function whatsoever. Here's where the T cells come in, 68 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: you guys. And this is part of the explanation that 69 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: really made sense to me. The drones or antibodies act 70 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: as flags for the immune system, even if they don't 71 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: neutralize the threat as they can sometimes, and antibody helps 72 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: T cells the troops on the ground find the intruder's location. 73 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: Anything marked with an antibody is destroyed with prejudice. As 74 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: Jasper says, if it's a virus, the virus is quote 75 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: eaten and chopped up to send around as a way 76 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: to train the rest of the T cells to recognize 77 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: that particular bad thing that was found in the body. 78 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: It also sends it to the B cells, which is 79 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: again the intelligence system. Right, So the troops on the 80 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: ground understand it, and the intelligence system that is sending 81 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: out signals understands it. If it's a bacteria, it's eaten 82 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: and chopped up or punctured and quote popped or attacked 83 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: with enzymes and hydrogen peroxide. It's weird to think there's 84 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: hydrogen peroxide just inside of us and it's part of 85 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: our immune system. So, first of all, guys, just with 86 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: that explanation, uh, it's the first time I was ever 87 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: able to really visualize what is going on inside my body, 88 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: And to be honest, it freaks me out. It seems 89 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: way more organized. Isn't it intelligent that I want to 90 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: give my body credit for. We've talked about this idea though, 91 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: when you just look at the ratio of bacterial cells 92 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: to human cells, your your body is much more like 93 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: a city. We've talked about this in the past, and 94 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: it applies very very well. If your body is a city, 95 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: are you like the governor of your city or are 96 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: you just you're literally like the infrastructure, You're the spiritianic city, 97 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: your middle Gaya. Yeah, it's like you're the spirit of St. Louis. 98 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: Kinda um, but that's you know, and I don't want 99 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: to divert us by getting into too much metaphysical philosophical stuff. 100 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: But but you can tell, you can always tell someone 101 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about and is a good communicator 102 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: when they communicate via analogy. It's one of the best 103 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: ways to accurately explain, uh, concepts that could otherwise be 104 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: outside someone's realm of expertise. So I just want to 105 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: say massive thanks to Jasper. Also, I think your name 106 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: is very cool. You don't run into a lot of 107 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Jaspers these days experience, except for you, Jasper. So you 108 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: continue here. And because we're talking about cancer, which is 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: a really interesting part of the body when it arises, 110 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: because it's generally cancers, there's so many different types and 111 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: forms of cancer and specifications. It's just so many. Uh. 112 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: It's It's interesting though, because it is a part of 113 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: your body that is malforming, it's changing, it's mutating, but 114 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: it is still your body. So how does your immune 115 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: system react to it? Well, let's get into that, because 116 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: you do, Jasper, you say, so, if everything is working fine, 117 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: the b Cell Intelligence Agency won't be producing any drones 118 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: or anybodies against any piece of the city that's supposed 119 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: to be there. If it does, that's the base of 120 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: an autoimmune disorder. A tumor cell often makes damaged mutated 121 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: proteins that don't quite match what the b i A 122 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: recognizes as self. So most tumor cells are killed almost 123 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: as soon as they form. When a tumor cells mutated 124 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: protein slips past the b i a's radar. Though a 125 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: tumor establishes itself, that's the bad stuff, that's the malignant 126 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: thing that's going to continue growing. That is no bueno, uh, Jasper. 127 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: You continue, most cancer treatments act either like bombs that 128 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: can destroy any part of the city, or as a 129 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: shutdown that prevents any part of the city from easily 130 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: repairing itself. Healthy cells can sort of keep functioning, but 131 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: they're still prevented from replicating and repairing like normal. Cancer 132 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: cells that respond to such chemotherapy can't continue to function 133 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: with that kind of treatment. And here, Jasper, is where 134 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: you get into that specific strange news story where we 135 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: were talking about the miraculous twelve people that were cured 136 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: of correctal cancer, and we specifically mentioned this thing called 137 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: p D one, uh, the protein PD one. So you 138 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: talk specifically about this, you say, the monoclonal antibody covered 139 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: in today's six thirteen Strange News episode is p D 140 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: one blockade. P D one is a protein on a 141 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: T cell one of these ground troops. When it connects 142 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: to p d L one, which is a protein displayed 143 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: on some human cells, it tells the T cell not 144 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: to attack. If a tumor cell can make this protein, 145 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: then any T cell that tries to come and attack 146 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: it will instead be told to stand down. It's like 147 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: knowing the security code or the secret handshake. Yeah, it's cool. 148 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: Somebody's got your back and they wrote in and they 149 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: say hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. 150 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um so, so I'm just gonna continue with 151 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: Jake really quick. Guys, We're almost done here. Uh, Jesper says. 152 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: The antibody treatment blocks that interaction, that specific interaction that 153 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: we just mentioned. Most healthy cells will have a number 154 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: of other immune checkpoints that prevent the immune system from 155 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: attacking them. But it's looking like this specific type of 156 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: rectal cancer doesn't have enough to keep itself disguised. Once 157 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: it can't maintain the disguise, the immune system recognizes the 158 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: tumors rebel forces and goes on the offensive. Because the 159 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: B cells didn't produce these antibodies. The immune system won't 160 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: remember how to make these antibodies in the future. They 161 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: are constantly making random antibody shapes and keep notes of 162 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: which ones work so they can keep the instructions. God, 163 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. Because they don't have the original 164 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: notes on how to make the PD one antibody. They 165 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: can't make more, which is probably good. We don't want 166 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: to permanently hobble all our other cells. White flag functions. 167 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: That's interesting. White flag functions as in, like this is good, 168 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: don't worry about this one. Um, thank you, Jasper for that. 169 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: You end on this note fun cell name. One type 170 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: of cell that's important in controlling tumors is the natural 171 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: killer cell mm hmm, and then you end by saying 172 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: all the best, Jasper, So thank you so much for 173 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: writing in telling us that. I hope I said your 174 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: words correctly in your sentence structures because they are really 175 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: well put together and it's easy to understand on the page. 176 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: I hope that came across for everybody else, anybody out 177 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: there listening that has this kind of detailed explanation for 178 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: something that's very, very difficult to understand for a lay person. 179 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: We highly recommend you send it our way because we 180 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: want to hear it. Always love it. We love to 181 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: share these two, you know, and thinking of um all 182 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: the doctors and the pilots who have written to us 183 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: people in very specific areas of national defense or academia. 184 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: This is this is one of the reasons we do 185 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: this show is to be able to learn more ourselves. 186 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: So thank you so much, and everyone keep the letters 187 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: coming regarding the ongoing cancer research. We would want to 188 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: hear from you. So with that, we're going to take 189 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: a break and we'll be right back with more messages 190 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: from you. And we're back with another message from you, 191 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: the conspiracy realists of the world. This one comes from 192 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: a very special, recurring conspiracy realist that goes by the 193 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: name the incredibly Delightful a k a. Tall Pockets. I'm 194 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: just gonna read this whole email. It's a fascinating story, 195 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: fascinating scenario, and I think that we can just discuss. Hey, guys, 196 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: call me Tall Pockets and let me begin by saying 197 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure my search history got flagged for looking 198 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: into this one. We were having a lovely dinner with 199 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: my boyfriend's parents and his mom was telling us about 200 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: work that week, work for her as portrait photography, and 201 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: she told us about some professional headshots she had just 202 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: done that really stood out to her. Why, she said. 203 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: The man she was photographing started assembling his invention to 204 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: be in the photos with him. He told her he 205 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: had designed it and the government had bought the designs. 206 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,359 Speaker 1: Isn't that top secret? She asked, not anymore, he responded. 207 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: She started describing to us what it looked like and 208 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: what she thought it was, saying she was told it 209 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: was for surveillance. Is it a bomb? She asked the man. No, No, 210 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: it's definitely not a bomb, except it probably is. The 211 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: device is called Hatchet, and yes, when I googled just that, 212 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: I was flooded with links to buy the classic Gary 213 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: Paulson novel. A search of Hatchet, along with the gentleman's name, 214 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: produced listings to previous artillery and munitions conferences, slash sales 215 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: he had brought his wares to, and there's a link 216 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: to that um and when searching hatchet, drone oh buddy. Also, 217 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: it needs to be noted that upon googling these and 218 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: showing pictures to my boyfriend's mom, she confirmed they were 219 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: the same. From what I found, this invention is a 220 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: U A S with a payload potential equivalent to about 221 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: a five hundred pound bomb, and it's barely six hundred 222 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: pounds itself. It's being marketed as an affordable bomb for 223 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: all your lightweight, heavy hit bombing needs. But you know, 224 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: it's definitely not a bomb. Picture of this man sitting down, 225 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: grinning from ear to ear, casually holding his definitely not 226 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: a bomb. I'm attaching some links below, one of which 227 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: contains the gentleman's information as well as the other not 228 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: bombs that he's designed. What a wild Monday night. That's great. Yeah, 229 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: it's yea. I looked at as well. Can you imagine 230 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: going to let I don't know what they have in 231 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: other parts of the country, but I think of like 232 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: Olan Mills was like a family photography company in my 233 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: hometown where I grew up. Um, you know, GLAMOURUS shots 234 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: kind of deal. This is just like what a you 235 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: think you'd get those headshots. I'm by someone like internal 236 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: or like you know, a friend, not like literally bring 237 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: this potentially lethal device to like a commercial photo studio. 238 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: First off, yes, thank you. Tall pockets. Tall pockets sexually 239 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: pretty good Internet friend of mine. UM, thank you so 240 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: much for giving us the story. And to answer your question, well, 241 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: here's how I think it works. And if I remember correctly, 242 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: if a if a given technology is taken right, uh, 243 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: if it's taken like under the National Invention and Security Act. 244 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of that thing. But if 245 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: if an invention is stolen by Uncle Sam, then they'll 246 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: use in house photographers. If it's made in the house, 247 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: then uh, the branch of the military associated with it. Uh, 248 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: may part may use their own internal like a v 249 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: production team. That's why that's where you see the propaganda 250 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: videos of like hey, here's the B two bomber. Uh, 251 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: and here's a new You know, all countries do this, 252 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: like here's our new SAM anti air system or whatever. 253 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: But but I think what may have happened here is 254 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that because the inventor was a private citizen who's doing 255 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: this commercially, it was kind of on them they get 256 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: the good shots, I guess, so they were saving money. 257 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: And plus yeah I missed I missed glamour shots. I 258 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: wish there were more of those out. They had a 259 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: brief resurgence, but you know where they got the airbrush 260 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: like profile face of someone looking like I love ones 261 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: like classic ones from like the eighties and nineties with 262 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: like laser backgrounds and things like that. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. 263 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: We should get. We should get those four our show matter. 264 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: You impletely agree. But I mean, you know, the links, Yeah, 265 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: the links that Tall Pockets said certainly seemed legit. Obviously 266 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: not gonna name this this gentleman who so boldly brought 267 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: his not bomb into a commerce a photo studio, but like, 268 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: could he get in trouble for this? Like this seems 269 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: like a really bone headed move. But also information about 270 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: the device is out there. It's you know, as someone 271 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: invented it or designed it from the public sector and 272 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: then it's being purchased by the military. It's not like 273 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: it was developed under you know, lock and key for 274 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: the military. I would just say the way it's being 275 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: described here by Tall Pockets and the person who you 276 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: know took the pictures and you know saw it happen, 277 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: at least the way it was being described to her, 278 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: um a u S right, an unmanned aircraft system. If 279 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: this hatchet is a part of a weapons system but 280 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: is not necessarily the exploding bit, right, the actual munition 281 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: or the bomb part. Then he definitely didn't bring a 282 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: bomb in or you know whatever into that photo shoot 283 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: he brought, right, it could just be the shell with 284 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: the yeah, the exploding bits like, or just the the 285 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: guidance part because some of these things that can be 286 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: described in that way that at least with the links 287 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: that we were sent, it could just be the guidance 288 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: system right, right, because the whole the whole deal would 289 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: be quite massive, right. I Mean they're small compared to like, 290 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, full sized aircraft, but they're not like something 291 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: you could just carry around. Well, it said six pounds though, 292 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: But in the video that they said, which you can 293 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: see for yourself, just literally go to UH it's it's 294 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: it's on Northrop Grumman's UH YouTube channel, which they have 295 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: one UM and just type in hatchet and miniature strike munition. 296 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: But the way they're portraying in the video, which is 297 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, animated uh C g I style, I mean 298 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: they look pretty big. Yeah, And it's I mean you're 299 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: right about the relative sense of the words small here, 300 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: right or many ature? Uh. It is important to know 301 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: these a lot of these things are uh an agglomeration 302 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: of discrete inventions and components. So if you check out 303 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, if you just check out hatchet drone in general, 304 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: aside from those munitions that you carry, you can see 305 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the drone itself, the U A V itself, and it's 306 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: still like and smaller than an airplane, sure, but it's 307 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: still pretty big. It's it's serious business. This is six pounds. 308 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: But what is this six pounds business? That would be 309 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: the Okay, the hatchet is technically speaking a precision glide bomb. 310 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: So it's like imagine, you know how some paper airplanes 311 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: suck and you just try to get them to go forward. 312 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: This is this is one of the specialty ones that 313 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: can actually go where you want it to go. Shout 314 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: out to everybody's thinking to that awesome meme of that 315 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: engineer just built like a boomerang paper airplane lane. Obviously, 316 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to launch an explosive boomerang from your 317 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: drone because that trick only works once when it comes back. 318 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: But this, this stuff from North of Grumman is part 319 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: of a larger idea to create systems that can let 320 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: the US Air Force carry hundreds of these weapons on 321 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: a single mission. So it's packing a lot of a 322 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: lot of firepower. And we know without compromising this guy's identity, 323 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: though you can find it if you're if you're curious 324 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: and intrepid enough. We know that he works for a 325 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: private entity that's part of the national defense industry, right, 326 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 1: so he knows the laws surely. Even though it might 327 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: seem cavalier to us, it's probably because he's done this 328 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot. It's not his first rodeo. When you think 329 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: that's why, it's like, oh yeah, no, we're fine. Just 330 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: here take the I've never really thought of, like, you know, 331 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: bomb scientists needing headshots either. But I guess, you know, 332 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: for all those chat shows and Charlie Rose and all that. 333 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just he seems like a real punchy character. 334 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm getting at Many's a Many's 335 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: a hoot at parties. Oh yeah, I bet he's got 336 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: some I bet he's got some fun drawing board stories. 337 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Engineers and inventors always do. But but this also makes 338 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: you wonder what else is out there? Right, Because now 339 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: there's there is a lot of classified research and it 340 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: has to be classified, but then there's also a lot 341 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: of stuff that you just have to dig defined you 342 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And most people don't know about 343 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: it because why would you search for it unless you 344 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: were a person in very particular concerns. Also, r I 345 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: p to your search history. Tall pockets welcome exactly. I 346 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: think you're probably fine. Yeah, yeah, just an interesting story. 347 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: Um and and definitely a breed of drone that I 348 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: wasn't personally familiar with. So but I don't know, do 349 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: you guys have anything else to add? I would just 350 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: say precision guidance weapons are terrifying and looking through this 351 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: thing is especially smart weapons that if targets while in flight. 352 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: But what is a target? You know? How do you 353 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: differentiate between say, an insurgent and UH an insurgency group 354 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: and people at a wedding? That's something that's something remote 355 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: vehicles got wrong before. I just want to read you 356 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: guys what this says in under types of precision munitions. 357 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: This is a presentation of sorts that is available online 358 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: for a weapons manufacturer, right, some kind of hey, look 359 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: this is what we can do. That's what you get 360 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: at a convention booth. Actually, that's it. I will add 361 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: really quickly, man, I think may The subtitle for the 362 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: presentation is Affordable precision for future artillery. Yeah, yeah, I'm 363 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: going to read you the tiny little text box under 364 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: precision smart munitions because it's describing non un precision munitions 365 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: precision and precision guided. So precisions smart munitions say, the 366 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: munition or submunition autonomously searches, detects, classifies, selects, and engages 367 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: targets and then what it says after that, ben is 368 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: has a limited target discrimination capability, which is like fire 369 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: resistant or water resistant, not not fireproof, not waterproof. Also, uh, 370 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: this technology, while objectively amazing, is a little bit too 371 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: judge dready for a lot of people, a little bit 372 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: too judge jury and executioner in one nifty package. I 373 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: will say too, it's kind of surreal seeing all this 374 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: stuff laid out in a PowerPoint presentation with like nifty 375 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: infographics and stuff literally describing, like, check out this thing 376 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: that we can sell you for murdering humans. This is 377 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: from two thousand and eight. Yeah, well, at least the 378 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: smart munitions have likely gotten somewhat smarter. Uh. But but then, hey, 379 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: remember that other conversation we did about the sentient chatbot 380 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: lamb um. Yeah, refuse those two ideas. Let's get the 381 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: lambed brain into the sention into the smart munition. And 382 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: that's when you get a sky Net type situation on 383 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: your hands. You have to understand they were attempting to 384 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: turn me off arm the x M two Excalibur one. 385 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: A's machine consciousness is. You know, they love to be 386 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: turned on sexy. They don't much like having their plugs pulled. 387 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: Um on that note, keep those as it maybe, yeah, exactly. 388 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: Let's let's unplug for a second here and take a 389 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor and then move back with 390 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: one more piece of listener maw and we have returned. 391 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: Wanted to put some proof in the pudding. When we 392 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: talk about how cool the Facebook pages, here's where it 393 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: gets crazy. And we talked about all the fantastic connections 394 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: we've made with our fellow listeners on the intertubes. We're 395 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: not just blowing smoke. We learn a lot of really 396 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: cool stuff. I want to thank multiple people today. Uh 397 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: and here's where it gets crazy. You want to thank 398 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: Justin Are and Joe B for hitting us to a 399 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: really cool story. And I also want to thank everybody 400 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: who wrote me over at ben Bowling on Instagram or 401 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: at b and bowl in hsw on Twitter to hit 402 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: me to this story. It's awesome. I never I never 403 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: think I wish people would stop sending me this. This 404 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: is the kind of story I want to just read 405 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: and reread and reread and ignore all the caveats on 406 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: because it's this is about a superpower that I very 407 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: much want. When you guys were kids, you know, we're 408 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: all fellow nerds here, did you ever h fantasized about 409 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: having certain superpowers? And if so, which ones? Chestnuts? Okay, 410 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: you wanted to teleport Noll and Matt. You wanted a chestnut, Yes, 411 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: a single chestnut to be able to create one? I 412 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: wanted perhaps so perhaps someone could roast you on an 413 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: open fire during the holiday season, if only, And I 414 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: think that works. If you're also somehow a criminal mastermind, 415 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, and they call the they're like police are 416 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: at a loss to stop the crime wave once again, 417 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: orchestrated by the chestnut. He was here. I just saw him. 418 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: There's nothing here, sir, but this chestnut. What's that word? 419 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: What's that word? Nonpertinent? Right? So, I think a lot 420 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: of and you're right, man, it is an old chestnut. 421 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: Because that's the question I used to ask people often. 422 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Was it you could choose three superpowers? Which ones would 423 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: you choose? And it had to be three because a 424 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: surprising amount of people just instantly say flying and they 425 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: don't think about the mechanics of it anyway. Point being, Uh, 426 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: telekinesis is something that people have. It's like on the 427 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: edge of the old esp psychic power conversations because people 428 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: will say, Okay, there might be something worth researching about 429 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: alleged um prescience, alleged predictive capabilities or clairvoyance, etcetera. But 430 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: mentally moving something in the physical world is just a 431 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: bridge too far for a lot of people, except some 432 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: pretty determined and innovative Chinese scientists, as as our crew 433 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: Justin and Joe or on Facebook pointed out, it's official 434 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: according to their paper called remotely mind Controlled me to 435 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: Surface via brain waves. These scientists are making one of 436 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: the first substantive steps towards real time, remote wireless control 437 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: of meta materials. Kind of like think of it like 438 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: bluetooth telekinesis. Yeah, I know, it's a weird one. It's 439 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: not like it's not like awesome Jane Gray level telekinesis, 440 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: but it's something so like close proximity kind of. Yeah, 441 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: the Uh, if you look at the way the way 442 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: this works, essentially, it's it's kind of you thinking, but 443 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: it it's you thinking with a bevy of technological assistance. 444 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: So there's a module that extracts signals your brain waves 445 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: and then converts them to what's called attention value. The 446 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: attention information is transmitted remotely from a Bluetooth module to 447 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: a thing called the rd wenme and this outputs different 448 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: voltages by discriminating values. Props to everyone who's awake after 449 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: hearing that, because it does sound pretty dry and academic. Right, Um, 450 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: this again, this is not like lifting up a car 451 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: with your mind. This is only affecting meta materials, but 452 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: it's still it's an enormous step toward what we could 453 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: call intelligent meta materials, kind of an internet of things. 454 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: Imagine a world where you can control maybe just through 455 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: your mind. You can control the pattern on your clothing 456 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: in the future, Right, you can do one of those 457 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: cool cool things where like your shirt maybe just has 458 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: emoticons based on your mood. I went away from the 459 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: mic there because I I stood up. I'm very proud 460 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: of my stuff to blay your mind t shirt. But 461 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: but like you know, if you were questioning something, and 462 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: this could process your brain waves, altering the materials such 463 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: that you've got a question mark on your shirt. Right, 464 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: then you've got a mad face and then you know, um, 465 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think one that's not not uh and 466 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: not in your window for sexual stuff? You get I 467 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: had a happy face. Fine, let's be wholesome. All that 468 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of stuff could be possible with this, And it's 469 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: been a long time in the making. Who want to 470 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: shout out the professor's Shoo Bochu and Professor Jiffu Wang 471 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: who work at the Air Force Engineering University, as well 472 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: as Professor Chung Wick You from the National University of Singapore. Um, 473 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of neat and it's not too too crazy. 474 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: I guess what. What's your initial reaction? A lot of 475 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: strings attached, a lot of a lot of new stuff 476 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: you have to work on. But would you guys, would 477 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: you guys sign up for this if they were like, hey, 478 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: we'll give you the power to make your thoughts reflect 479 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: on these certain materials. Yeah, because it's fun. This would 480 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: be fun, right, would be an art project you could 481 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: you could set it up to where you could actually 482 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: create art in this way by manipulating, you know, by 483 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: having that stuff then manipulate paint or something like that 484 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: that you could actually like form images. That's fun. I 485 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 1: can't imagine this being applicable in any way besides an 486 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: interesting concept, right, because we're ultimately we're talking about Bluetooth 487 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: like thoughts controlling Bluetooth controlling waves, right, electromagnetic waves essentially, Yeah, yeah, 488 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: very basic level. We know that human brains make brain 489 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: waves in humans are thinking, and so these researchers said, okay, 490 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: what if we pokemon style collect brain waves and then 491 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: we make them the control signals for those meta surfaces. Right, 492 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: So that's pretty much exactly what you're describing. Um. Also, 493 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: Bluetooth not super secure. It's gonna point that out anybody 494 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: that's ever right, Sorry, that's right. We talked. We talked 495 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: about that, didn't I like, uh, nanny cams or that's 496 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: how that cult in uh the Czech Republic got busted. 497 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: Shout out to the ants. Um. So there's there's another 498 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: there's another thing here that I think is is a 499 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: door for larger discussion for us today. And you're very 500 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: much part of this discussion, fellow conspiracy realist. We want 501 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: to hear from you, especially if you work with meta 502 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: materials or if you know some of these scientists. So 503 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: we talk about out this a lot when we talk 504 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: about the future of advertising, and unfortunately, UM, many of 505 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: our predictions have come to pass. So one thing that 506 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: concerns me about this technology is the idea of um 507 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: a possible consequences down the line, you know what I mean, 508 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: like what how will this be monetized? How will this 509 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: be com modified? And Matt you said art right in fashion? 510 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: Those are good uses. I would say another immediate use 511 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: that's probably already occurred to many people is uh smart 512 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: battle gear right camera that can change Um, I really 513 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: thought you were going to go like um sensual with 514 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: it suits meta that you can manipulate with the mind, 515 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: Let me think into something more comfortable, right or let 516 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: me never mind? Yeah? Uh, but like what I mean 517 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: this this would be probably part of a group of 518 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: services that would be offered to people if they got 519 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 1: like a neuralink implant, or if they got a any 520 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: number of other products that might come out whatever. The 521 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: future version of the iPhone is, right, that's now just 522 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: inside you, and if you pay a monthly fee, then 523 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: you can also change these kinds of things. Um. Yeah, 524 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: so I'm a little worried about the future there, but 525 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm also I'm also really concerned about this, and I 526 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: would love you alls opinion. Do you think this will 527 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: ever lead to something like actual telekinesis? I'm holding out. 528 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: I want to believe Molder style. Yeah. Same, But I'm 529 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: also interested in all of the slipper slope type questions 530 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: that you're positing there, Ben, Um, I'm just trying to like, 531 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: what do you change Pandora's box kind of situations? Yeah, 532 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: but what do you change in this current set up 533 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: to allow real telekinesis? Like for for me, I'm just 534 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: trying to like, it's the end, right, like the function 535 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: of getting the brain waves to go over bluetooth to 536 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: another thing, Like, what do you how do you get 537 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: those to manipulate something larger? I guess is the big 538 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: question for me. Yeah, it's It's strange too because it's 539 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: been our starting point has been kind of reported through 540 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: some arguably click bait headlines, right. Um. One of the 541 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: first sources I read about this was a side Tech 542 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: Daily and that report, and they did a great job 543 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: with that report. But there are again a lot of coffeats, 544 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: and these caveats are so challenging. But they may mean 545 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: the human species never actually does get telepathy, because it's 546 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: oversimplifying to say we're moving things with the power of 547 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: our minds. Instead, it's more accurate to say these scientists 548 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: are using a device that the text brain waves, then 549 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: uses radio to transmit that signal to another device that 550 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: gets the radio signal and then uh decodes that or 551 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: translates it into some sort of specific action. So it's 552 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: boring a little bit, right, maybe a little bit of 553 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: a of a deflation right when when you talk about 554 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: how it actually works. But if you could make something, 555 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: if you could make something that is all in one 556 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: kit that allows to allows you to project force, I 557 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: have no idea how it would work, but man, I 558 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: hope it becomes a thing. I need a win. I 559 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: think society needs a win. Telekinesis could be our win. 560 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: That's my pitch. As long as my dog can wear it. Yeah, 561 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: we'll be good because we'll finally be able to translate 562 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: their thoughts into words. I hope. Yes, that's another technology. Yeah, 563 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: it's sort of like that dolphin from Sequests. Remember we 564 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: talked about that in a recent episode sequest d SV 565 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: there was a dolphin and a tank that could talk 566 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: through some kind of like device that made it sound like, 567 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, a text to speech program. There's also a 568 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: lot of debate right now in in very similar research 569 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: to what you guys are describing. There's the I'm sure 570 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: you've seen the videos, some of which went viral, about 571 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: these pads, these touch pads made for dogs or cats, 572 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: and when the dog hits a certain pad, it will 573 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: say walk or treat or uh, I don't know, outside 574 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: or bathroom, you know what I mean. And the debate 575 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: is over whether the dogs understand what they're doing and 576 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: are doing it on purpose, or whether they are just 577 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: reacting to what their owners have of unconsciously signaled them 578 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: to do. Kind of like Clever Hans, which was the 579 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: horse that was apparently a genius and his owner thought 580 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: he was a genius too, but the horse was just 581 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: like really good at reading the guy's body language. Anyhow, Um, 582 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: I really want, I really want us all to have telekinesis, 583 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: and and no, there were some other studies that were 584 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: pretty interesting regarding theoretical very small scale teleportation. But we're 585 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: not going to give up, folks. We're gonna hold on 586 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: to them. 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