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Speaker 1: really fun podcast with some guys that I've known now
Speaker 1: for about a year. I started watching the Untamed on
Speaker 1: the YouTube when they were just getting started, and I
Speaker 1: saw that these guys had a lot of potential, mainly
Speaker 1: just because of how authentic they were, and I could
Speaker 1: tell that they were good hunters, and I could tell
Speaker 1: that they were committed to the platform and what they
Speaker 1: were doing. I reached out to these guys a while
Speaker 1: back and just to encourage them and just to say
Speaker 1: what I thought they were doing. It was cool. On
Speaker 1: this podcast, I sit down with Josh and Kirk from
Speaker 1: the Untamed YouTube channel and we talk about building the
Speaker 1: YouTube platform, YouTube analytics. We talked about some hunting, we
Speaker 1: talked about hound hunting, we talked about their very unique
Speaker 1: style of deer hunting, and it's just overall a super
Speaker 1: fun podcast. I even do a couple of impressions of Josh.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna want to check this out? Say it again.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been going back and forth on it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I think I'm dyslexic. I was putting the D before
Speaker 1: the L and called you, Colonel Idler. Yeah that sounds
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I like that better. But everybody says
Speaker 1: the Elderton. Nobody says the Olderton. We are at the
Speaker 1: We're in Indianapolis. I was actually confused about what town
Speaker 1: I was in this morning. We drove from Arkansas last
Speaker 1: night and Uh, I told, Well, I guess I wasn't
Speaker 1: confused about the town I was in, but I said,
Speaker 1: I said, Kobe, we were here last year, and he
Speaker 1: was like, no, we weren't. We were in Louisville, and
Speaker 1: I said, no, we weren't. A t A was in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: So I guess I was confused about what town I
Speaker 1: was in last year at this time. But then he
Speaker 1: said that you were flying I told Kirk last night,
Speaker 1: I said, he's flying up. I said, that's a long
Speaker 1: drift Rkansas. It was a long drive. It was nine
Speaker 1: hours in the rain. But hey, we're here with UH
Speaker 1: with two of our two of our buddies, Uh from
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel. I'll just put it on the table,
Speaker 1: Uh Josh, Uh, geez, we're gonna cut this out. Pronounce
Speaker 1: your last night. I've been going to Josh Oddlerton for
Speaker 1: like two years, Josh Josh Alderton, Josh Elderton, Josh Elderton
Speaker 1: Price and uh and Zach over here, and I got
Speaker 1: Colby Moore head the bear Tech. But h man, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a good, good conversation about I want to
Speaker 1: hear about. We're gonna talk about some YouTube stuff. We
Speaker 1: usually don't go into like the back room of outdoor
Speaker 1: media to that kind of talk about, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of how some of this stuff works. But I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about your YouTube channel because
Speaker 1: you guys have built a really cool YouTube channel. Um
Speaker 1: and I think you've got forty something thousand subscribers on
Speaker 1: YouTube and producing a lot of content. But I'm more
Speaker 1: interested in your hunting. I want to talk about your
Speaker 1: white tail hunting and some of your bear hunting with
Speaker 1: hounds and uh, turkey hunting. You got a you got
Speaker 1: a turkey video that's got three point three million views,
Speaker 1: don't you That's crazy? Because we did. It was a
Speaker 1: compilation video. Yeah, it's got three and a half. We
Speaker 1: talked about it all the time. Yeah what Josh? Okay,
Speaker 1: before we hear Josh's voice too much. Yesterday in the car,
Speaker 1: I did a Josh impression that was uncanny, uncanny. I'd
Speaker 1: like to hear it right now. Well, I tell you
Speaker 1: I lost it. We it was so good. I got
Speaker 1: excited more to come see Josh and to come to yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I told Kobe that Josh called me and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, Josh called me. He said, hi is Josh,
Speaker 1: And I nailed it, nailed it, nailed, and then I
Speaker 1: lost it because this it was like better it like
Speaker 1: it's about the voicemail. I left it. No, just just
Speaker 1: talking to you yesterday I told cold said, Josh called me,
Speaker 1: and I just was trying to say what you said
Speaker 1: and you were like, Hi, this is Josh. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? Are you doing? Man? We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a great time at a Yeah. I mean Kirk's
Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, hev me rolling. It was good by
Speaker 1: Well do you think Zack? Because that is that pretty good?
Speaker 1: Pretty good. I had a whole conversation with COVID. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. You have a lot of conversations in the
Speaker 1: nine and a half hour drive. Uh. Me and Kirk
Speaker 1: saved the world on our drive in New Mexico. So
Speaker 1: I bet you did, oh twice? Yeah. Well, hey, Josh,
Speaker 1: introduced yourself, give us us a little a little uh,
Speaker 1: just your where you're from, your family, just a little
Speaker 1: bit of history, just so we can kind of know
Speaker 1: who you are. UM, Josh Ilderton. So Clay can pronounce
Speaker 1: my name right, Obviously he's thought I was somebody else
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Born and raised in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: UM military guy, UM veteran Marine Corps and got a
Speaker 1: wife and a son. And I absolutely have a die
Speaker 1: hard passion for anything outdoors. And I could care less
Speaker 1: what it is. UM, I just like being outside. Um.
Speaker 1: So you were in the military when you graduated from
Speaker 1: high school? How long we're in the military five and
Speaker 1: a half years. Originally was in for four and then
Speaker 1: I signed an extension to go back over seas for
Speaker 1: eight teen months, and UM then got out. And I
Speaker 1: want blue blue collar guy. Um. I've got a construction
Speaker 1: company and a welding fabrication shop, and I believe in
Speaker 1: you know, everything you get you you go after, you
Speaker 1: get paid for hard work. I mean, I believe in it.
Speaker 1: If you get up early and every day and you
Speaker 1: get after it, then you get rewarded for it. Um
Speaker 1: and then the untamed you know, Kirk. Um, I brought
Speaker 1: this idea, you know a couple of years ago about
Speaker 1: the untamed, and I bought into it. And did you
Speaker 1: guys know each other? We we we were acquaintances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kinda uh my buddy Trace yea. And of course
Speaker 1: you know if you watched our videos, you've seen Tracey
Speaker 1: in the videos. He uh he was like, uh, hew,
Speaker 1: do you want to go bear hunting? And uh that's
Speaker 1: how I met Josh that way. Yeah, Kirk, go ahead
Speaker 1: and introduce yourself so we can, right, Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get too far into it because I
Speaker 1: was kind of part of the story. I guess. Um.
Speaker 1: My name's Kirk Price. I'm also from uh West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Um I have. I've been doing this video thing for
Speaker 1: uh quite some time now. It started as a hobby
Speaker 1: when I was probably in middle school. I was just
Speaker 1: using my parents cameras, using cell phones, whatever I couldn't
Speaker 1: get my hands on. And uh I got a anyways,
Speaker 1: I started you know, building up quite a bit of footage,
Speaker 1: and I got a job working for Buck Commander while
Speaker 1: I was in college, and so, uh it was kind
Speaker 1: of like an internship deal. I wasn't looking to do
Speaker 1: it full time, um, but it was more of like
Speaker 1: a you know, a life experience I couldn't turned down.
Speaker 1: And so I went out there and I worked for
Speaker 1: Buck Mander. I lived in Arkansas and uh, actually I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I lived in Arkansas. Uh actually it's
Speaker 1: called do you know where Harding University is? A? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I lived like right there, and seriously I believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And uh so I got well, actually the
Speaker 1: guys that I was filming and like I was headquartered
Speaker 1: right there, but I would drive down to Louisiana. They're
Speaker 1: there in uh Louisiana. So it was you know, I
Speaker 1: was jumping back and forth across the line. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I got my start to Buck Commander, and really
Speaker 1: they taught me. You know, I went from just running
Speaker 1: a camera and auto to really running a camera, you know,
Speaker 1: really learning cameras and stuff. And then uh, after that
Speaker 1: was over, I went to I went back to school
Speaker 1: when you know, finished school up and while I was
Speaker 1: in college. Uh, that's when Tracey was like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know you want to go bear hunting you And I
Speaker 1: was like, sure, you know I didn't. I'd never coon hunted.
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Speaker 1: So he's like, Hey, we're gonna rote with this crazy guy.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's my buddy. He's like, but like if
Speaker 1: he does something good, I know who you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's in the room with the spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, you wanna you wanna go? So I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, let's let's go. I I took my
Speaker 1: camera and uh, I was just taking still photos. You know,
Speaker 1: these people were probably never had cameras around him, and
Speaker 1: I'm pointing it out. I'm just going to town taking
Speaker 1: photos and stuff. And I had a blast. And and
Speaker 1: that day was I mean, we we I believe we
Speaker 1: treated bear and killed it and we had a really
Speaker 1: good time. But I was like, man, I was like
Speaker 1: that that Josh Kat. I was like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So we went about our ways and then
Speaker 1: we wanting to start, you know, I was wanting to
Speaker 1: do something and I was I didn't, you know, want
Speaker 1: to get stagnant, and uh, you know, Tracey and I
Speaker 1: started talking and we went to Josh, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I started thinking, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: realized West Virginia has a training season for Bears. That's
Speaker 1: um all year long. I mean, you can run bear
Speaker 1: anytime West Virginia. So I was like, huh. And then
Speaker 1: this YouTube thing started. You know, I could tell that
Speaker 1: it was going to take off. And and uh me,
Speaker 1: you say YouTube thing? You mean you didn't have a
Speaker 1: channel yet, know, you just spent YouTube in genera that platform.
Speaker 1: I could tell something was there and and people were
Speaker 1: probably gonna start going away from cable because none of
Speaker 1: my buddies have cable anymore. And like, I feel like
Speaker 1: my generation is kind of changing that, like we're going
Speaker 1: to like fire sticks and rokup or whatever it's called
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So we went to Josh. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you said my generation as if, like, Josh
Speaker 1: and I are old? Is that what you is? That
Speaker 1: what you bet? I kind of implying that, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to directly say it. He opens doors for me,
Speaker 1: and there's your stuff before you, sir, You go ahead.
Speaker 1: We've been mistaken for father and son how many times?
Speaker 1: A lot? I mean, oh yeah, kills me. We're going
Speaker 1: to a gas station. We're going to gas station get
Speaker 1: our biscuits before we go bear hunting. It well though,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, here's your dad's biscuits. There. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you wanted. Well, if you had a beard,
Speaker 1: you look a little bit older. Listen, that's what I listening.
Speaker 1: I want a beard so bad. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They don't. I don't know if you've seen me trying
Speaker 1: to grow one, but it's pretty good work, pretty patchy. Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 1: we went, I just I kind of we figured out
Speaker 1: that YouTube platform was was a good way to go
Speaker 1: for us, and uh I knew. I mean I when
Speaker 1: I went bear hunting, I literally was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even I don't know if I've even seen a bear
Speaker 1: hunting video, like how hunting video. So then I got
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I was like bear hunting with hounds,
Speaker 1: just some generic search, you know, And of course I
Speaker 1: come across your videos and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, this is the only guy I've
Speaker 1: seen doing any type of hound stuff. And it's not
Speaker 1: like you were only doing hound or something. You did
Speaker 1: a wide variety of bears, but you had some hound
Speaker 1: hunting videos on there. I was like, huh, and the
Speaker 1: ones that you had on there had done really well,
Speaker 1: like views wise, So I was like, man, I was like,
Speaker 1: we need for this YouTube, like we want to put
Speaker 1: out a ton of content. And I was like, bear
Speaker 1: hunting is a ton of content, Like it's interesting just
Speaker 1: because you can do it so much. Training season is
Speaker 1: all year long, twenty good days in the fall, like
Speaker 1: a white tail rut, right, and for us, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not about killing the bear. Um, it's about it's
Speaker 1: about our dogs and the hounds. And so when we're
Speaker 1: able to video, you know, people see our dogs progress
Speaker 1: on you know, on video or seeing new dogs and
Speaker 1: they ask us about them. It's just unlimited content and
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, that's kind of how the Untamed got started.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the when did you actually start the
Speaker 1: YouTube channel? Um? Our first video was in Okay, so
Speaker 1: just almost almost two years. So let me describe what
Speaker 1: kind of the different styles of YouTube channels. To me,
Speaker 1: you guys are like a classic YouTube channel, Like the
Speaker 1: platform is really seems to be designed for people that
Speaker 1: are producing a ton of content, would you agree, Cobe
Speaker 1: I didn't have Colby introduced himself tech the um people.
Speaker 1: People think I'm Colby's father, they don't. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta keep it trim light like, so it looks like
Speaker 1: it's intentional. So the platform really seems to be geared
Speaker 1: towards people that are producing a ton of content, like
Speaker 1: putting out weekly stuff, you know, um in in you know,
Speaker 1: the hunting public. That they kind of they didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't pioneer that at all, but they they made it
Speaker 1: real successful in the hunting space. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: that they pioneered it, but I'm gonna tell you right
Speaker 1: now that they opened a lot of doors up for
Speaker 1: because like Hushing had been on YouTube for I think
Speaker 1: eleven years, eleven or twelve years, So I think that
Speaker 1: they they're like original outdoor channel. Yeah, now what th
Speaker 1: HP and I honestly we talked about it all time,
Speaker 1: but we get in a buying on our channel because
Speaker 1: of content, because Kirk is the editor, producer, the hunter,
Speaker 1: the houndsman, dog handler, you know, everything you know, and
Speaker 1: we're wearing all those hats. But YouTube reward you. We
Speaker 1: can see a difference in YouTube when Kirk in the
Speaker 1: office season, when Kirk's able to pound out the videos
Speaker 1: and we're putting two videos out a week and working instant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden we start going to the
Speaker 1: top of the food ladder. Yeah yeah yeah, and our subscribers,
Speaker 1: our views, everything goes up. So if we miss a week.
Speaker 1: So there's there's analytics that are working behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Like I think most people that would watch YouTube that
Speaker 1: aren't creators YouTube creators, they might just think, well, if
Speaker 1: you put a good video up, it's gonna get a
Speaker 1: million views. If you put a bad video up, it's
Speaker 1: gonna get a thousand views. It's not true. It's there's
Speaker 1: there's there's algorithms and mechanisms at play that are bigger
Speaker 1: than what YouTube even lets people know. But they do
Speaker 1: reward people for consistent content. Um, they reward people for
Speaker 1: the type of content I mean, like hunting stuff is
Speaker 1: already at a back. It's it's like a step back
Speaker 1: from their premium content. They penalize us because it's like
Speaker 1: sensational content. Like if we were creating I can't remember
Speaker 1: the exact terminology, but I mean, if we were creating
Speaker 1: like you know, like ballet videos, they would they would
Speaker 1: much more freely distribute our stuff. We we we talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday on the web here, and it's funny
Speaker 1: to bring up, but we talked about it. If if
Speaker 1: Kirk would we talked about Moon and Truckers. What we
Speaker 1: talked about Moon and Truckers got the road out here.
Speaker 1: Can guarantee it. If we Moon Truckers and videoed it
Speaker 1: and put it up, it would blow up. We'd get
Speaker 1: millions of views and people would laugh. And but for
Speaker 1: us it's it's not the right thing to do. So
Speaker 1: we decided against it. You know. And then without door videos,
Speaker 1: you kind of take they would rather have that type
Speaker 1: of content then an outdoor setting content. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 1: more geared towards hunting. Uh, there's a there's a classification
Speaker 1: and and and I've really studied into it when I
Speaker 1: first got our YouTube channel, going, Um, there's a classification
Speaker 1: that we are inside of there. I mean, they they
Speaker 1: have ways to categorize creators and we're automatically and I
Speaker 1: can't remember the exact details of it. Basically, our stuff
Speaker 1: is already at a slight disadvantage from more stuff that
Speaker 1: they would consider like benign content. Um, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to say so, so you guys are producing kind of
Speaker 1: like live action stuff. Like the whole the whole thing
Speaker 1: is that you're producing content that like it's quickly coming
Speaker 1: out to right, It's not so typically when you watch
Speaker 1: a show on the Outdoor Channel, that stuff is filmed
Speaker 1: a year a year out, like from like two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen, but it's two thousand nineteen, but you're watching
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen footage, So they got that's why
Speaker 1: you got. You know, there's a lot more done to
Speaker 1: it and stuff. But the way we do it is
Speaker 1: I might film it tomorrow and put it up today,
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, that's that's what that's why YouTube
Speaker 1: is popular, right, I mean, that's why it works. Right.
Speaker 1: And and you know I've seen um TV shows, uh
Speaker 1: you know, hunting shows that they'll take their episodes from
Speaker 1: the show and then directly upload that same edited version
Speaker 1: they put on the show and put it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It'll get like and these are like major like big
Speaker 1: money production TV shows on the Outdoor Channel, they'll put
Speaker 1: it on YouTube and they'll get like two or three views.
Speaker 1: And that's because the content and what what people want
Speaker 1: to watch from YouTube versus TV is completely different. And
Speaker 1: some people, you know, they can't understand that it's tough
Speaker 1: to wrap your mind around. Yeah, but there's an authenticity
Speaker 1: factor that comes in when you're looking at something that
Speaker 1: has a time stamp that was from last week. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean when you when you watch it and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: they filmed this last week, you know, and it feels
Speaker 1: it feels relevant, it feels like real time. I said
Speaker 1: partly just that all to say, what we're doing now
Speaker 1: is not very good for YouTube, even though it's working
Speaker 1: for us. We're getting to the point where we're trying
Speaker 1: to make eight to ten kind of cinematic, polished, like
Speaker 1: the best you know, production that we can do in
Speaker 1: produce eight to ten maybe twelve videos a year. That's
Speaker 1: kind of our platform, and it actually doesn't work very
Speaker 1: good for YouTube. We would do better on like Netflix
Speaker 1: or or something like as an episode show. And that's
Speaker 1: just the decision we made. You know, we don't have
Speaker 1: a U which I mean Netflix could be a route
Speaker 1: of the future. You know, well, boy, if anybody could
Speaker 1: play no, no, I mean, it is work. It's just
Speaker 1: a little different strategy when you know, you know, when
Speaker 1: we met last year, you were at twenty six thousand subscribers.
Speaker 1: When we talk last when you're you're right almost fifty now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this working. I mean obviously, so something's working there
Speaker 1: and you're not doing the consistency. You're not hitting the
Speaker 1: consistency part of that algorithm to drive you up. But
Speaker 1: when you do put a video out, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: once people start watching it, then YouTube goes, hey, they're
Speaker 1: watching bar Hunt magazine videos. So they start clicking and
Speaker 1: start putting your thumbnail up above everybody else is for
Speaker 1: a while, and then Peter's off. I'm sure that they, yeah,
Speaker 1: start driving it back down. It's so interesting to me
Speaker 1: from a marketing perspective, all that stuff. But we had
Speaker 1: a video, well that bear video, the Roy Clark you know,
Speaker 1: uh Appalachian Laurel Mountain bear video. This last week it
Speaker 1: got like sixty five thousand views. Yeah, it was dead
Speaker 1: for a year, I mean, just gaining like views a month.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you why that happens either, it will
Speaker 1: random does that happened too? It goes. It happens all
Speaker 1: the time. Now. The only one that stayed consistently growing
Speaker 1: is the one we have with every three inion views.
Speaker 1: It just keeps going, keeps going, keeps going. It's not
Speaker 1: extremely fast, but it's also not slow. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just it doesn't stop. And um, the biggest reason why is, uh,
Speaker 1: what I believe is the thumbnail. I think the thumbnail
Speaker 1: when it comes to YouTube videos, and that's what people
Speaker 1: will put all their work into the video. But when
Speaker 1: we first got started, we actually talked to someone locally
Speaker 1: and he said, if you spend you know, three hours
Speaker 1: editing the video, you need to spend two hours on
Speaker 1: your thumbnail. Which you know that's probably overdoing it. He
Speaker 1: was making a point to me, and it's stuck to it.
Speaker 1: Stuck with me because I figured that out. So I'll
Speaker 1: think of a you know, my when I'm out there
Speaker 1: hunting or I'm out there doing whatever, the whole time,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking what would be a catchy thumbnail, because the
Speaker 1: first thing you gotta get someone to do is click
Speaker 1: on the video before anything. It doesn't matter how good
Speaker 1: the video is if they don't click on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the our our best videos have good thumbnails and that
Speaker 1: that usually is a big part of it. But well, uh,
Speaker 1: so you're you're working full time, and so the un
Speaker 1: teamed guys, you guys turkey hunt, you're deer hunting, your
Speaker 1: bear hunting. Those are the main things you're doing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Turkey bear deer, and then we will travel to like
Speaker 1: like we just got back from Mountain Lawn. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But now the new Mexico stuff. Y'all just put out
Speaker 1: that this year. When when was that decent Thanksgiving week? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Well, the one video was from last
Speaker 1: year when the very first one, so I saved did
Speaker 1: something we normally won't do, saved a video from two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Well it was two thousand nineteen in
Speaker 1: January last year, and and uh, I saved it because
Speaker 1: I knew we were going to go back out there.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna let that video kick things off
Speaker 1: for the new set of videos, hoping it was just
Speaker 1: kind of a shot in the dark, hoping that this
Speaker 1: year panned out, which I was guessing it was going to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we just went in with a different strategy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it panned out so nice. Well for for anybody
Speaker 1: that's not seen your white tail stuff, then you are
Speaker 1: killing some incredible deer there in West Virginia. Is it
Speaker 1: West Virginia? I thought we were hunting up in Kentucky. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no it Uh, we we had a good year the
Speaker 1: first mean, I was just surprised that the quality of
Speaker 1: bucks that you all pretty consistently see, right, I think
Speaker 1: that surprised a lot of people. It does. It does
Speaker 1: because you don't when you think of West Virginia, you
Speaker 1: don't think of big white. You don't think of white
Speaker 1: to hunt. No, nobody does. Yeah, Um, especially in the
Speaker 1: in the industry now and then the spot in stock
Speaker 1: I'm like you guys are doing, describe describe a hunt
Speaker 1: in those places you are hunting, Josh, Um, miserable. Miserable, No,
Speaker 1: not miserable. In the train it's and it's fast. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know how in the Midwest you've got these big
Speaker 1: valleys and canyons and yeah, it'll take you all day
Speaker 1: to walk from one side of the other. And in
Speaker 1: southern West Virginia where we hunt, I mean you'll be
Speaker 1: the top of a ridge in the creek and on
Speaker 1: the other other side of the ridge an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. You know, it's it's straight up, straight down,
Speaker 1: back down. Yeah, and we're hunting. And then we hunting
Speaker 1: an old old coal mine and reclamation. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like so it's open when they when they get
Speaker 1: down with the reclamation part of it. I mean, it
Speaker 1: kind of reminds you of the Midwest of kind of
Speaker 1: the rolling hills and the kind of prairie until it
Speaker 1: grows up. Now, when it's it grows up, it's just
Speaker 1: a big forest. Call. So you're you're nasty, thick hunting
Speaker 1: time the way you are hunting, and that I guess
Speaker 1: is sort of limited. Well that stuff grow back, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So like it's kind of strange. But like just because
Speaker 1: this area is awesome right now, we're able to and
Speaker 1: not that it gets bad, but you're you're hunting style
Speaker 1: has to change because it's just like our clear cuts.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll probably have clear cuts. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: they're they're cutting and they plant pines. Maybe you don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but in Arkansas they do that. And
Speaker 1: then you know, you'll have five six years before the
Speaker 1: pine trees grow up so tall that it's just a thicket, right,
Speaker 1: you know, but before you might be able to see
Speaker 1: three yards and too. You know when they say they
Speaker 1: freshly uh you know, reclaiming area something, well they'll use
Speaker 1: like hydro seed and you know they'll be clover and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so you know, there's it's almost like a mountain
Speaker 1: food plot that we don't have the luxury of ever
Speaker 1: hunting other than when something like that happens. They're still
Speaker 1: mining there and doing stuff like that. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: there'll be new places you can. Well, the surface my
Speaker 1: is going is going away. Just they're just taking they're
Speaker 1: peeling the tops off these mountains. Yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then they put it back, but just not to that.
Speaker 1: So if you haven't seen their videos, these guys are
Speaker 1: glassing on tops of these big ridges and seeing seeing
Speaker 1: across big valleys and spotting deer and then moving around
Speaker 1: and and that's what you know on our videos. It
Speaker 1: is so hard to show the viewers. Kirk does a
Speaker 1: great job in in a fifteen minute span to show
Speaker 1: the viewers that what a day's like. But we might
Speaker 1: last for three hours and not see anything. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you just get headaches and it might not see anything.
Speaker 1: It's just like the video of him we were talking
Speaker 1: about it last night of him spotting is talking that
Speaker 1: that Bucky he shot in the early season. I mean
Speaker 1: they laid down the human lane. They laid down there
Speaker 1: for three hours in the rain, sixty yards from this
Speaker 1: deer and stayed right there until the deer stood up.
Speaker 1: But you can't put that three hours in there. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna watch it. Um So it's hard to, yeah, to
Speaker 1: show really how difficult it is. Yeah, in the time
Speaker 1: and the in the in the misery and you know,
Speaker 1: not misery because you're after loving what you do, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying it's sometimes it's it's really tough. But
Speaker 1: I mean we hunt on the I think introduced Kirk
Speaker 1: to hunting on the ground. Yeah, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting like, uh what typically most people do,
Speaker 1: Like a hunted a piece of private property. It was
Speaker 1: just like a basically like a family farm. We had
Speaker 1: you know, stands here on that point, you know that
Speaker 1: cut through whatever, you know, the typical spots like that,
Speaker 1: and uh it my my style of hunting was what
Speaker 1: I would think like most p people do, you know,
Speaker 1: not not what we're doing now. What we're doing now
Speaker 1: is like the Midwest, like the it's like multier hunting
Speaker 1: or something. That's fun. That's what it's so crazy about it, right,
Speaker 1: it's a it's so I mean, it's extremely fun. Is
Speaker 1: there a lot of that kind of country over there? Um?
Speaker 1: A decent amount. Yeah, I mean there's it's not it's
Speaker 1: not all over the place. You got to be in
Speaker 1: the right areas. But yeah, yeah, so I mean it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I could guess that in the stand and hope something
Speaker 1: comes to this funnel, or I can go out there
Speaker 1: and chase them down in gilly suits and try to
Speaker 1: make it happen. You know, were you hunting like that
Speaker 1: your whole life? Yeah, I've hunted on the ground. I
Speaker 1: think I've killed two. Two of my dear have a
Speaker 1: tree stand. Most of your hunting was off the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we taught you to do that. Did you just start? Know?
Speaker 1: When I got out of the service um Apacan buddies
Speaker 1: with a guy named Keith Alfrey, and uh, we started
Speaker 1: hal hunting together wild boar and we started hunting them
Speaker 1: on the ground. And I was watching him hunt on
Speaker 1: the ground then just like spotting stock hunting them. Yeah, dogs, No,
Speaker 1: you can't hunting hawks with dogs there in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: But just hunting on the ground and jumping them up
Speaker 1: and then stalking them after you jump them. And but
Speaker 1: then we started deer hunting, and I started deer hunting
Speaker 1: with him, and he would he would walk, grunt, he'd
Speaker 1: blind snort ways, um everything. And I was like, and
Speaker 1: then we started killing deer. Nick we we we doubled
Speaker 1: up one day and I was like hooked. We killed
Speaker 1: two pope and young deer on the ground on one day.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this is the best thing ever.
Speaker 1: And you see so much. That's the greatest thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not real keen on. I mean I do it
Speaker 1: because I think that there are certain times that you
Speaker 1: need to hang in the tree all day long. Um
Speaker 1: Like if I mean, like you know, Ohio or something,
Speaker 1: we don't have the same terrain that we're do in
Speaker 1: West Virginia. UM, So I think that you know, there's
Speaker 1: times that hunt on the ground, but you see so
Speaker 1: much and you see something dear opportunities. It's just like
Speaker 1: Kirk said, you can you can sit in this stand,
Speaker 1: in this saddle or wherever on this ridge on this
Speaker 1: point and wait for a deer to come. Or you
Speaker 1: can go out there and you can see there and
Speaker 1: try to make it happen. Now, you're your chances of
Speaker 1: getting a shot in that saddle, in that tree stand
Speaker 1: are higher if a deer comes through, higher percentage chance
Speaker 1: of Yes, absolutely I think may sit there for three days.
Speaker 1: So on the ground, I don't think that the success
Speaker 1: rate of getting a shot it is lower. But you'll learn,
Speaker 1: you're you will learn a lot about the game's terrain.
Speaker 1: It's more fun and it's and it works for it.
Speaker 1: Like we said, it ties into content because now we're
Speaker 1: getting Yeah, we spooked the buck, but we got a
Speaker 1: YouTube video out of it, you know, you know, and
Speaker 1: we don't care if we spoke a buck. And we're
Speaker 1: not like most. I mean, I get the thrill of
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I hang chalk cameras and stuff, but
Speaker 1: I'll take it, you know, a good buck, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll shoot it. I mean, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a monster. It doesn't have to be that deer that
Speaker 1: I'm hunting. You know where the business we're in, uh
Speaker 1: we are, you know, Josh always says we're opportunists. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't pass up good bucks. We care
Speaker 1: less you know, uh you know about killing big giants
Speaker 1: or something, but we will. I mean, you know, everybody, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to kill Crockett just to give an idea
Speaker 1: of how good some of these deer are. How big
Speaker 1: was that dear that trace killed this year. Oh that
Speaker 1: was I believe it. And uh, it grossed almost one
Speaker 1: almost one night. What are you serious? Yeah, in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know those pictures. I thought, I mean,
Speaker 1: just because of where it was from, I thought, there's
Speaker 1: no way that deer is as big as it looks.
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing against them. And I didn't. I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't a trick photo. It was just like, that's
Speaker 1: a huge deer, that deer um in that area, that
Speaker 1: there was one killed a few years ago. Um that
Speaker 1: scored two at three And we believe that might that
Speaker 1: that dear has some relation to it, whether it's his
Speaker 1: father that he didn't video that he did not know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just hunting. I mean, Tracey's kind of took
Speaker 1: a step back because of his works. He's a pipeliner
Speaker 1: so and he's seven days a week, so he took
Speaker 1: kind of a a step back from the video. So
Speaker 1: that's his second boom. Crockett deer in West Virginia. That's incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zach's killed one or two, he's killed two boot and Crocketts.
Speaker 1: Is that in West Virginia. Another buddy of ours just
Speaker 1: killed too. Bootm. Crockett's his brother killed one Bootom Crockett. Um,
Speaker 1: yeah you got killed. His brother killed one this year. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is a great uh white tail. And it for
Speaker 1: the people listening we hunt in bow only county? Is
Speaker 1: that because there's so many people there? Why did they
Speaker 1: do there's four counties in West Virginia that are bow only.
Speaker 1: There's no muzzleload or no no firearms whatsoever. They closed
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine because of the dear population. Um,
Speaker 1: there were no dear so it wasn't a safety concern. Well,
Speaker 1: I think part of it was safety. Um, there were
Speaker 1: there had been a couple of shooting accidents. There was
Speaker 1: a safety concern and low deer population. And then low
Speaker 1: deer population there was no hunting at all. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't no bow hunting anything. And then
Speaker 1: they and what they did was because of how low
Speaker 1: the dear population was. We talked about hogs. They brought
Speaker 1: in wild hogs ums and and that's what people get.
Speaker 1: You're like, uh, you think, like why wouldn't they let
Speaker 1: you know, everywhere else in the country. You go, They're like,
Speaker 1: uh uh, wipe the hogs out, you know, kill them
Speaker 1: all you know, trap them that you know, you got
Speaker 1: that attitude towards them. But our hogs are like they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be on wild, so they don't they don't
Speaker 1: spread like those Ferrell hogs do. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long the hog has been there,
Speaker 1: but they're still in the same area they put them
Speaker 1: in years and years ago. And they brought those hogs
Speaker 1: in because there was nothing else for people to hunt. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all just do things a little different West Virginia, don't you. Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like how many states bring hogs and release them? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, yeah, And so that those
Speaker 1: bow only counties, Um, the deer have time, yes, And
Speaker 1: that's the number one that that That explains a lot
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I mean, and you let a
Speaker 1: deer get old. It's not only so the rest of
Speaker 1: the part of the state is three bucks. You can
Speaker 1: kill three bucks, but only is one buck. So you've
Speaker 1: got you know some really, I mean, people will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they've brought deer in from I've heard all kinds. They
Speaker 1: brought deer in from Wisconsin. They've brought deer in for
Speaker 1: down there. But that's not the case. Um, the deer
Speaker 1: are they just have more time to you know, typically
Speaker 1: you're not and it's not you're you're taking to all
Speaker 1: the right equation. Yeah, that's exactly right. So you're taking
Speaker 1: a place that the dear one have time to grow.
Speaker 1: And number two, it's hard as heck hunting down there. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean it, it is. Access wise, it's tough. If
Speaker 1: just someone you know, someone comes down there and tries
Speaker 1: to hunt, it's a good luck. Yeah, if you don't
Speaker 1: know the right you know the right thing, the right people,
Speaker 1: the right I mean, you will learn quickly. If you
Speaker 1: and Kobe would come down or to bow hunt, obviously
Speaker 1: you all would happen in with us. But it's not
Speaker 1: a resident at the nation, right, you might you might
Speaker 1: run into crazy Billy up the Holliday. You might bring
Speaker 1: come out with a shotgun just because Yeah, very little.
Speaker 1: I say the same thing about Arkansas to keep people
Speaker 1: out there. We're very we have secret we have quink.
Speaker 1: We have very little little public land. You don't have
Speaker 1: public land. We have very little. Okay, Now a lot
Speaker 1: of West Virginia has a lot of public am I right?
Speaker 1: And like say the county, I'm I'm from Boone County.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's actually any public land in that time.
Speaker 1: I see. That's surprising to me. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that we, you know, Boone County actually might be the
Speaker 1: only county in the entire state. That's cool, man, that's
Speaker 1: all news to me. I didn't I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: So that's why the quality of deer is where it's at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in those southern four counties. They call him the Southern
Speaker 1: four hunting only counties. Oh that's cool man, Um, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So that that's what gives them time and there everything
Speaker 1: all game really flourishes down there. Do you have real
Speaker 1: good turkey hunting? Oh? Yeah? Man? How many? This is
Speaker 1: how I know. This is my gauge. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: it's everybody's gauge, but I know what I would tell
Speaker 1: you if I was talking about Arkansas, perfect morning in
Speaker 1: the spring, standing on a ridge, bartel hoot, how many
Speaker 1: gobblers you gonna hear? Gobble? You might not hear him
Speaker 1: none less depends on that morning. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: would that be some places where you'd hear oh? Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking thing in the world. Okay, would
Speaker 1: you would you hear? Would you hear twenty. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think I have a piece of property, um, now
Speaker 1: that is loaded with turkeys. I mean, like I he's
Speaker 1: never took me down there. Yeah, this is a secret
Speaker 1: piece of property. Okay, they know what county it's in,
Speaker 1: hel wrong county. But a lot of people too about Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I know you're lying, but it is. I
Speaker 1: mean it's actually kind of different terrain and it's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why. Um, it's like rolling it more
Speaker 1: rolling hills and stuff. Which is I prefer hunting that
Speaker 1: turkey hunting then that straight up and down you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but I mean it really is. I mean I tagged
Speaker 1: out the first two days season. Uh, I made turkeys.
Speaker 1: Can you kill too? Just to so? I mean he
Speaker 1: you killed one out there? He missed one too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first turkey ever missed. I'll get you. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could that you could. You could hear tin twill birds
Speaker 1: for sure in the mornings. You know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of birds in West Virginia. Josh, what's your what's your
Speaker 1: favorite thing to hunt? Well, let me let me let
Speaker 1: me back up from that question. I think, uh, I
Speaker 1: think you guys kind of represent kind of the the
Speaker 1: true Southern woodsman in that I find a lot of
Speaker 1: Western guys maybe, and that's the wrong way to say it.
Speaker 1: My dad wanted me to be a He called it
Speaker 1: a pH d. He said, I want you to have
Speaker 1: a PhD in Arkansas hunting. He wanted me to be
Speaker 1: a deer hunter, turkey hunter, bear hunter, you know, like
Speaker 1: do all these things? Well, know how to you know,
Speaker 1: just be a woodsman that could hunt all year round.
Speaker 1: That that's the way I perceive you. It's somebody that's
Speaker 1: doing a lot of stuff. Am I righting? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean I are you a good turkey hunter? I killed turkeys?
Speaker 1: Am I the best collar in the world? No? Do
Speaker 1: I get up every morning? Do I hunt until legal
Speaker 1: time every day? Absolutely? You do? Does that present opportunities?
Speaker 1: It does? That goes back to the hard work I
Speaker 1: believe in it. I mean, am I the best turkey collar? No?
Speaker 1: But do I kill turkeys every year? I? Absolutely will? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love smashing the heads. You get a little bit
Speaker 1: excited when you kill them, don't you. Yeah. Back to
Speaker 1: the three million views, That's probably part of the reason
Speaker 1: why Alice video does good because I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen someone freak out like you did on a
Speaker 1: few days. Uh yeah, yeah, baby, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you know I get excited. I mean, um, I love turkey,
Speaker 1: I mean I love it all. Um, if I if
Speaker 1: if I could do it twelve months out of the year,
Speaker 1: I would, I mean, which which we hunt probably nine
Speaker 1: or ten months out of the year because we predator hunt.
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as we get back from here,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna start predator hunting and we'll do
Speaker 1: that for a couple of months and then back into
Speaker 1: turkey hunting and the um training season after turkey season,
Speaker 1: where what's your favorite? Um, what's your favorite thing? You
Speaker 1: gotta have one that you wouldn't Actually you can just
Speaker 1: pick one. Do you just get one time of year?
Speaker 1: I cut in though it really I just I could
Speaker 1: care less if I'm even hunting anything. I just like
Speaker 1: being outside. Um yeah, I mean yeah, you know I'm not.
Speaker 1: I like being out there. I mean I love turkey hunting.
Speaker 1: I love dear hunting. I love my hounds. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no better. There's nothing better in those in those tide
Speaker 1: hollis in southern West Virginia. I'm telling you right now, Clay,
Speaker 1: there's not a better sound than a pack of five
Speaker 1: head of hands coming through it and you hear you
Speaker 1: hear them from way off and it's just like a
Speaker 1: it's all together. And then as they get closer and
Speaker 1: closer than you start haying, Hey, that's gage, that's that's bliss,
Speaker 1: that's you know, you start hearing all the separate barks
Speaker 1: and it's I'm telling you man. And then in those
Speaker 1: tight I mean, it's just a great sound. I love
Speaker 1: hearing that. And um, and then when I got into
Speaker 1: hound hunting, Um, I started doing it, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, but when I started getting my own dogs
Speaker 1: and my son, that's the big thing with me too
Speaker 1: on a hound hunting is it it's such an easy
Speaker 1: way to get your kids outside. Um My son has
Speaker 1: been He went to his first tree. He was almost
Speaker 1: three years old. He was doing diapers. I mean, I
Speaker 1: had a diaper in my back pocket and wet white,
Speaker 1: you know when we went to the tree. And and
Speaker 1: to this day he absolutely like he's never killed a bear,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many he's seen. But we
Speaker 1: have so many kids and it's just it's such an
Speaker 1: easy way to introduce kids to the outdoors. Because of
Speaker 1: attention Spain. There's always something happening when you're head hunting,
Speaker 1: and if it is, if there is a don't have
Speaker 1: to be quiet, don't have to worry about scent, you
Speaker 1: don't have to work camouflages. But what I've told them
Speaker 1: because when I was working at Buck Commander, I mean
Speaker 1: I was filming Duck Commander two, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is our duck hunting, Like what they do? You know
Speaker 1: you have to sit there and beetles still when you've
Speaker 1: got ducks flying in whatever. But it's so relaxed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's other people involved. I was like, that's a good
Speaker 1: disc this version of duck hunting. And because we really
Speaker 1: don't waterfoul hunt at all. I mean you know some
Speaker 1: people do in West Virginia, but it's very, very minimal.
Speaker 1: But I can answer your question. My favorite is hound
Speaker 1: hunting for real, for real, And I see that surprises
Speaker 1: me because you didn't even you didn't grow up with
Speaker 1: hound right, really like better than deer hunting. Absolutely do
Speaker 1: deer hunting. I get stressed out and stuff when I'm
Speaker 1: hound hunting. I mean I I've I'm obsessed with it
Speaker 1: right now. I mean now I love he Yeah, the
Speaker 1: day that he came hunting with us with the crazy
Speaker 1: guy when he was the crazy guy, and he I
Speaker 1: will I could say, I could probably answer that for
Speaker 1: you and tell you that your favorite because he's doing
Speaker 1: something every day with the hounds. Yeah, I mean every
Speaker 1: like that. The other day we killed a bobcat with
Speaker 1: our hounds in West Virginia. Um, and then you know,
Speaker 1: the next night I was coon hunting, you know, with
Speaker 1: them same dogs. Like we don't will you call our
Speaker 1: dogs meat dogs? Meat dogs? There's there's two things we
Speaker 1: don't want them to run well to genera, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want them to run deer and Cootie's He's like,
Speaker 1: but I'll hunt mine on bobcat, uh, cons, bears whatever,
Speaker 1: take them to New Mexico for lines. Yeah. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's that is really cool to hear. Yeah, that's cool
Speaker 1: to hear. You know. The so we can't run big
Speaker 1: game in Arkansas, but we coon hunt and my my
Speaker 1: dogs all their litter mates and all the lineage of
Speaker 1: my plots of big game dogs. So I kind of
Speaker 1: have I feel like I've got a hand ending the
Speaker 1: big game dog, you know, but coon hunting for us
Speaker 1: all the I mean, I've taken I don't even want
Speaker 1: to say a number because I don't. I mean, fifty
Speaker 1: plus maybe a hundred people that have never hunted coon
Speaker 1: hunting with us over the last four years. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's and it's a it's a different introduction to people
Speaker 1: because it's uh, you know, I mean it's not the classic,
Speaker 1: but it's not the typical hunt that people think about.
Speaker 1: It is a little different. But I've got a I've
Speaker 1: got a spiel that I tell everybody while we're driving
Speaker 1: to where we're going hunting. I mean, I I make
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's an adult. I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: got a two part spiel that I'm gonna give you. First,
Speaker 1: first of it's about plot hounds, and the second of
Speaker 1: it's about coon hunting. And I talked to him about striking, trailing,
Speaker 1: locating tree and talk about I mean, people don't know anything.
Speaker 1: They think your dogs out there looking for a coon,
Speaker 1: like literally see in a coon and chasing it and
Speaker 1: trying to you know what. I'm like, No, they're they're
Speaker 1: trailing ground scent and there, you know, talk to him
Speaker 1: about a layoup. Anyway, I have a I have a
Speaker 1: pretty polished spield that I give everybody. But but I've
Speaker 1: never taken anyone coon hunting that had a bad experience,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's it's social, it's fun, it's
Speaker 1: exciting to be on the woods at night. Um. But
Speaker 1: it I mean, when I think about the number of
Speaker 1: people I've introduced to bow hunting white tail deer, it's
Speaker 1: a very small it's a very small number because it's
Speaker 1: it's such a specific I mean, they've got to be
Speaker 1: proficient with a weapon, they've got to be able to
Speaker 1: store meat, and you know that they're not just gonna
Speaker 1: kill a deer. Those number, those numbers will will continue
Speaker 1: to decrease unless we do a better job at introducing Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's not easy to introduce somebody to white tail hunt. Um.
Speaker 1: It's not easy to introduce somebody to turkey in when
Speaker 1: you can take them out. Yeah, and we've took several
Speaker 1: people out turkey hunting, Um, but it's not as easy
Speaker 1: as taking them up whether you're coon hunting. It would
Speaker 1: be easy taking somebody out of cat hunting. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these people too. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: of to all the people that have coon hunting with me, say,
Speaker 1: most of those people aren't gonna be hunters. I mean
Speaker 1: honestly that I'm not. They're not probably gonna be hunters,
Speaker 1: but some of them will be. But they they at
Speaker 1: least have a frame of reference for the rest of
Speaker 1: their life. And a lot of these people are kids,
Speaker 1: and at some point they're gonna go, here's something about
Speaker 1: hunters and they go, yeah, I used to hunt with
Speaker 1: Mr Clay and Shepherd, and you know, he'll have a
Speaker 1: positive image inside of his worldview for hunting because he
Speaker 1: knew somebody. And you know, I mean there's benefiting. There's
Speaker 1: been a you know, we talked about recruitment and people
Speaker 1: sticking into hunting, which is what we want, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, we want someone that goes hunting and becomes
Speaker 1: a hunter, kind of an autonomous hunter on their own.
Speaker 1: You know. But even if you take somebody hunting and
Speaker 1: they have a positive experience, that's a benefit for us too,
Speaker 1: because the people that are going to ultimately make decisions
Speaker 1: for us and hunting are the people who aren't hunters.
Speaker 1: But if they had I mean, even these people, these
Speaker 1: kids go you know, we took a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids hunting around Christmas time. Well, they
Speaker 1: were talking about that at their Christmas and maybe they
Speaker 1: were talking that about that with their cousins who never
Speaker 1: knew about hunters, and you know, it just it's just
Speaker 1: a positive thing, like just just kind of a buzz
Speaker 1: inside their world that we went cool nuting last week hunting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was great, was fun. That's a positive thing because
Speaker 1: those people all of a sudden, they're like, well maybe
Speaker 1: maybe hunters aren't Barbara, you know, the the second tier people, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's there's benefits inside of that stuff, even though
Speaker 1: we're probably not recruiting. But I mean everything said there
Speaker 1: you yet the nail on ahead. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Yeah, something I'd like to touch on.
Speaker 1: You were talking about, um, you're you know, you're getting
Speaker 1: to um. You said, like like guys out out west
Speaker 1: and they kind of focus on this is changing subjects here,
Speaker 1: but they kind of focus on like just white tail
Speaker 1: or something. And there's people like where we live that
Speaker 1: just focus on white tail, and I feel like they
Speaker 1: are I was the same way. I mean, I just was.
Speaker 1: I was a proud white tail you know, big buck hunter,
Speaker 1: but I was missing out on so much different hunting
Speaker 1: styles when I got introduced to hound hunting, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: these guys are just white to hunt and I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: it's fun and all guys, but you're missing out on
Speaker 1: a great hunting experience. And uh, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think more people and when we try to, like
Speaker 1: we said, we try to bring people hunting, but if
Speaker 1: more people would try it and they would be like wow,
Speaker 1: especially hunters, you know, they're like, wow, this is not
Speaker 1: what I thought. It was. Like this is fun because
Speaker 1: you find a lot of you know, just white tail hunters,
Speaker 1: but also you know there's a lot of like just
Speaker 1: coon hunters and just bear hunters, and like you see
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, we try to do it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what man. I think. I think we're
Speaker 1: pretty diverse fund. I mean, if you if you look
Speaker 1: on other people's YouTube channel and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: great animals out there, but they're focused on white tail
Speaker 1: in Turkey or they're elk hunters, and we we want
Speaker 1: with the End Team, we kind of just wanted to
Speaker 1: be um, we're not focused on anything. We're just focused
Speaker 1: on the outdoors and in our way of living. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've introduced Kirk to several things. Since
Speaker 1: we've been in business in the outdoor, since we've had
Speaker 1: the entertainment, it's been great because he's because he's learned
Speaker 1: and got so much better at it than what we
Speaker 1: You know, it's fun to watch Kirk grow as that outdoorsman,
Speaker 1: not as a hunter, as a a woodsman you were
Speaker 1: talking about. And that's what we want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: I want my son to be a woodsman care less
Speaker 1: we knows how to hunt deer. I want to know
Speaker 1: how to hunt everything. When you said that, you know
Speaker 1: you want to have a PhD in Arkansas hunting, And
Speaker 1: that's that's the same way that I look at it too.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't just nailed down to one thing
Speaker 1: I love doing. Like I got trapped setting out, ready
Speaker 1: to go home. I'm gonna go set traps soon as
Speaker 1: we get back. You know. Yeah, well I think what
Speaker 1: I think what you guys are doing. Um, it was
Speaker 1: specifically with hound hunting. To go back to that. I mean,
Speaker 1: hound hunting is people just media has stayed away from
Speaker 1: it on purpose. I mean it's almost like in the
Speaker 1: last if you think about when outdoor television really started
Speaker 1: kind of in the nineties, that indoctrinated people so strongly,
Speaker 1: and white tails was where the money was. White tails
Speaker 1: was white tails were widely distributed. Nothing against white tails.
Speaker 1: I love hunting them just as much as anything. I hunt,
Speaker 1: absolutely and commit as much time to it. But it's
Speaker 1: like people, just like in everything people, that's just what
Speaker 1: they focused on. And it was highly influenced by outdoor
Speaker 1: media also opportunity. I mean, there's a lot of pros
Speaker 1: to white hunting, but what's what's happening now with platforms YouTube,
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's like you don't have they the
Speaker 1: content doesn't follow the money, if I could put it
Speaker 1: that way, you know, I mean, like there's there's never been.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that you're free to show who
Speaker 1: you are without the constraints of some big sponsor telling
Speaker 1: you what you need to do to get the views.
Speaker 1: But that's but people like that authenticity and and we're
Speaker 1: and you're showing people a whole bunch of new stuff
Speaker 1: inside hunting that maybe they were never exposed to that
Speaker 1: the mainstream media did not expose people too. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the greatest things about And
Speaker 1: it don't matter if you're on the YouTube platform. Now
Speaker 1: we like the YouTube platform, but the the commercialization, yeah,
Speaker 1: of the outdoor industry, they've killed themselves, um like any
Speaker 1: other basically, you know, if you don't know talking talking
Speaker 1: about like just pushing product product products people this deer
Speaker 1: without this, that and the other. You know, and yes,
Speaker 1: I mean Cope could go out and what he's wearing
Speaker 1: right now and kill dear. If you're put yourself in
Speaker 1: the right situation, and we don't, we're never going to
Speaker 1: get in a position that we have to. We have
Speaker 1: to be told that we're doing stuff like that. That's
Speaker 1: where you were talking about. You know, you don't have
Speaker 1: we don't have these sponsors telling us. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a couple of sponsors that we're working with right now,
Speaker 1: but we're very choosy. But and they understand your platform,
Speaker 1: understand that. If they don't understand, we don't deal with
Speaker 1: them because and they've been great, they're very soft sales.
Speaker 1: If you can show our products are stuff. If you can't,
Speaker 1: we'll catch it next time. It's not like you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to put us on their hard part to stay
Speaker 1: in that way, right because money, you know, money talks,
Speaker 1: and money is what makes things. And you see, you
Speaker 1: see these some of these bigger outdoor platforms. It's hard
Speaker 1: to when when you get to a certain place, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm always curious about that. It's like you have
Speaker 1: to I mean you you do have to have money,
Speaker 1: you do have to have sponsors. That's how we're able
Speaker 1: to do it full time, you know. But there's a
Speaker 1: happy medium there where you don't get to, I guess
Speaker 1: money crazy and and start doing things that you typically
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to get away from you know,
Speaker 1: what we're doing now, We never want to get away
Speaker 1: from it. We always want to stay in check. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because as soon as we start, you know, pushing products
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, on people, then we're doing what
Speaker 1: you know, it's already happened on you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of not not every show does it, but a lot
Speaker 1: of what you see on TV. And we're just not
Speaker 1: interested in that. And and people will comment on our
Speaker 1: videos saying we love that you guys don't do that.
Speaker 1: I mean they've they will come out and say it
Speaker 1: like we enjoy watching the video where you didn't have
Speaker 1: to name fifteen different products that you were using. We
Speaker 1: just watched you use them. But on the flip side,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to have that. You have to.
Speaker 1: It's expensive doing what we do. Yeah, and it's been
Speaker 1: a it's been an investment for us, you know, the
Speaker 1: past two years, because you know, we definitely ain't making no,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not making any money right now. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: is there a potential? Yeah? There, I hope that there's
Speaker 1: potential with what we're doing. I feel like what we're
Speaker 1: doing is good. Do you ever think about YouTube putting
Speaker 1: the clamps on you in some way? Oh? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: scares me because we've had a couple of warnings. You
Speaker 1: ever had a video flag? Uh? One time? Only one
Speaker 1: you can go? Look because I mean, did you dispute it?
Speaker 1: We did? Did did you win? I have one to actually,
Speaker 1: so I take that back. I had one flag that
Speaker 1: state flag. Now sometimes like I uploaded one and it
Speaker 1: flagged it immediately and I was like a robot caught that. Like,
Speaker 1: no one's sitting on YouTube at their headquarters like they've
Speaker 1: they've messed up. I've had a couple were like that,
Speaker 1: we've disputed in one. Um. But yeah, well I think
Speaker 1: I think I have one video that that they said
Speaker 1: no it was and I disputed it and they said
Speaker 1: graphic violence. Yeah, they said too intense. This is what
Speaker 1: they said, and no I did. But it's still still
Speaker 1: a lot of tizable video. It is. We always when
Speaker 1: when when Kirk appealed it, um, which is great because
Speaker 1: they were going to just kill it, right and when
Speaker 1: Kirk appelled it, we got an age restriction. But you
Speaker 1: can't it's it's not monetized. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: It's probably okay, of course, I think I think YouTube
Speaker 1: something has changed because before it's probably before y'all were
Speaker 1: even doing stuff. When I first got on YouTube, my
Speaker 1: stuff was just getting hammered. Yeah, and I would have
Speaker 1: to dispute it, and some I would win and some
Speaker 1: I would lose. One of my videos, I honestly think,
Speaker 1: would probably have been the highest viewed video that we
Speaker 1: have if they had not flagged it. Now I lost
Speaker 1: the dispute, and it makes no sense. While I lost
Speaker 1: the dispute and it's just a it's just a bear
Speaker 1: kill with a boat. I mean, there was nothing. I
Speaker 1: didn't even show skin in it or in in Uh.
Speaker 1: That video at the time was gaining fifty thousand views
Speaker 1: a day. I mean, it was just like and it
Speaker 1: got up to two or fifty thousand views that got flagged.
Speaker 1: I lost the dispute, and and it's still on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but it they shut it down, they don't promote it,
Speaker 1: and the video still has six hundred thousand views, so
Speaker 1: it got you know, three and fifty thousand views, just
Speaker 1: like I think that video probably would have just marched
Speaker 1: up if it hadn't got shut down. And that's crazy
Speaker 1: that YouTube. I mean, of course it's their platform. They
Speaker 1: have the power just to say, oh, no more on
Speaker 1: that video. But you know, you don't know who also
Speaker 1: is reviewing the videos, Like I don't understand how the
Speaker 1: process works. Like you might have uh, Tom that YouTube
Speaker 1: in your video, right, but then a lot of it
Speaker 1: is automated. Yeah, when you dispute it, I think it
Speaker 1: actually goes to yeah, I think you're right on it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got a trick. I'll tell you after this. I've
Speaker 1: got a trick if you're actually doing with a person,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it might work. But um, Kobe
Speaker 1: can even what else would you like to talk to
Speaker 1: these guys about? I think I would go back to
Speaker 1: the whole thing about sponsorship. I mean, because the thought
Speaker 1: I had is like, you're not really looking for sponsors.
Speaker 1: You're looking for partners, you know, someone that understands that
Speaker 1: they're partnering with you and something rather than just financing
Speaker 1: you to do something. I mean, at least that's that's
Speaker 1: what I see inside of the pieces. I don't even
Speaker 1: like using the word sponsor, pro staff. I hate those words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's something that I've seen inside
Speaker 1: of the people that we work with, is it's just
Speaker 1: people that were companies that are wanting to partner with
Speaker 1: us and they want us to just like use their products.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean sometimes I mean, well, you know,
Speaker 1: like Instagram and stuff. You know, it's like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: using this, but but it's it's more of like it's
Speaker 1: more like building a strong partnership and friendship with something
Speaker 1: that you know, it's like we're with you for the
Speaker 1: long haul and not just something it's like, well, we're
Speaker 1: just here, why it benefits us? You know? Um. And
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things even up here
Speaker 1: when we see it's like when we're coming here to
Speaker 1: a t A, We're we're going and we legitimately just
Speaker 1: want to see the people, you know, we're not coming
Speaker 1: here to like the conversations we're having isn't like, well,
Speaker 1: what can we do to help you, or what can
Speaker 1: we do to help you? It's just like, hey man,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You know? And I think building
Speaker 1: relationships has to like it, at least from our platform,
Speaker 1: it seems like that's something that that I've seen this
Speaker 1: valued more so than just like what the other person
Speaker 1: gets from the other. It's like, yeah, we're building together,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's it's more so I
Speaker 1: just like you guys, you know, and and I like
Speaker 1: that we're forging something together that's for our mutual benefit,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, the I mean the advertising dollars create
Speaker 1: false relationship really, I mean, like really what people want
Speaker 1: to see is they want to know really what Steve
Speaker 1: Ronnella would use if he wasn't being paid, Like like,
Speaker 1: that's what you really want to know. And and so
Speaker 1: you know, because anybody, I mean, I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: the nature of the planet is money causes people to
Speaker 1: to do stuff. So we're trying to create these and
Speaker 1: I and talk about Ronella, I think he's kind of
Speaker 1: done that in a lot of ways. He kind of
Speaker 1: helped build the soft sell into a wider market by
Speaker 1: the way he kind of did things back eight or
Speaker 1: nine years ago. But point being, that's what we're trying
Speaker 1: to do is just I mean, like in y'are too,
Speaker 1: I've talked to you. I mean, you guys are only
Speaker 1: partner with people that you truly believe in using their stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, a company reaches out to us and
Speaker 1: we haven't used it before, you know, we've never used
Speaker 1: that product, but we'll say, okay, you know, send us something.
Speaker 1: We'll try it out. You know, we're not just going
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, send it to us, we'll sign
Speaker 1: this contract and then pay us ten thousand dollars. You know,
Speaker 1: well you want to try this out, and uh, if
Speaker 1: it's something that we're like, hey, this is legit and
Speaker 1: we're comfortable, you know, the people that watch our videos
Speaker 1: and really enjoy them, we're comfortable you know, telling them
Speaker 1: about this, then then we'll go with that company. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think on those videos, one of the things
Speaker 1: I really like is it just looks like you guys
Speaker 1: are having fun, you know, And I think that's something
Speaker 1: that produces a lot of buying on platforms like that,
Speaker 1: is they want to see, like again, that relationship and
Speaker 1: just having fun and and I think even like being
Speaker 1: able to show like the relationship between a person in
Speaker 1: his how you know, like those relationships are good to
Speaker 1: see two And I think there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: mystery that's been created around those things because you just
Speaker 1: don't see it as much. I mean, like I grew up, um,
Speaker 1: you know, running coons and and hogs with hounds, and
Speaker 1: so it's like I had a view inside of it.
Speaker 1: So it was like when I came around the magazine
Speaker 1: or Clay started putting stuff up, it's like I had
Speaker 1: a particular type of buying. They're like seeing big game
Speaker 1: hunting with like cat and bears. It's like that's a
Speaker 1: whole new thing for me. Like whenever I came into it,
Speaker 1: but I understood the relationship between like, uh, like we
Speaker 1: had hounds and so I understood that relationship, and so
Speaker 1: it was like, man, this is really cool. I didn't
Speaker 1: know you could run them with with hounds. You know
Speaker 1: it is it is so um hidden in the in
Speaker 1: the outdoor world, and nobody wants you know, people in
Speaker 1: the outdoor world don't want to talk about it because
Speaker 1: it's like a I don't want to say it's like
Speaker 1: the evil side of hunting. But it's like day and night.
Speaker 1: If if you're a hound hunter, then you just looked
Speaker 1: at differently in the outdoor industry. And and that's what
Speaker 1: people what we're trying to do is is it doesn't
Speaker 1: We could care less if you hound hunt, if you
Speaker 1: bathe hunt. We've talked, we'd go on and on about it,
Speaker 1: and it will be the demise of the outdoor industry
Speaker 1: if we're not altogether. Because there's so many, uh, non
Speaker 1: hunter interest groups that we don't have to deal with
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. Those groups would be stupid to come
Speaker 1: into our borders. Um. But we could care less. And
Speaker 1: that's what the problem. You know, we don't look at
Speaker 1: you know, Clay hunts over bait for bears and you
Speaker 1: hound hunt too. Yeah does that matter to me? Is
Speaker 1: it going to affect me? No? I'm for Clay doing
Speaker 1: that because he's in the outdoors. He's promoting the outdoor industry. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's what Clay always refers to it as is
Speaker 1: bear huntings the low hanging fruit. Yeah, yeah, you said
Speaker 1: that last year, you know, are this is We talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot, but we still haven't clarified it
Speaker 1: a ton. But I can clarify it. In short, I
Speaker 1: think that bear hunting is actually one of the most
Speaker 1: important pieces of the whole of the hunting scene in
Speaker 1: North America. Point being that bears are the entry point
Speaker 1: for the anti hunting sentiment and anti hunting action, legislative action,
Speaker 1: everything to come into the hunting space. So if you
Speaker 1: were just a monitor the wide sphere of the hunting world,
Speaker 1: it's not the Deer's not elk, it's not pheasants, is
Speaker 1: not ducks, it's bears and lines too, but more bears,
Speaker 1: and and and So if you were a hundred years
Speaker 1: out looking back at this little point in time, and
Speaker 1: you know that the strategy of anti hunting organizations is incrementalism.
Speaker 1: They're not trying to knock it all down at once
Speaker 1: because they can't. Trying to chip off pieces. If you
Speaker 1: look at what they've done over the last fifty years
Speaker 1: in this country, they've chipped off pieces. They chipped off
Speaker 1: bear hunting in these days, they chipped off line hunting,
Speaker 1: they chipped off you know, certain things. So the most
Speaker 1: important thing at any given time in history in terms
Speaker 1: of preserving our way of life is that you guard
Speaker 1: that low hanging fruit, because if you guard that low
Speaker 1: hanging fruit, they can't get to the thing behind it.
Speaker 1: And so that's our hashtag. We're using guard the Gate.
Speaker 1: So we're saying bear hunting is the gate. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of resource and time in the outdoor industry
Speaker 1: being invested in a lot of different places, which a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is really good. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is that we need the broader support of the
Speaker 1: outdoor community that is targeted towards the preservation of bear hunting,
Speaker 1: because we got nothing left to give the anti hunting
Speaker 1: community in two thousand and twenty. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: all the chief has been blown off by the wind.
Speaker 1: I mean, like what we have in North America right
Speaker 1: now with our bear hunting with hounds in seventeen states
Speaker 1: and our you know, lion hunting in different places. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has been whittled down to the foundations. And so
Speaker 1: my whole thing is, if you're an elk hunter, if
Speaker 1: you're a deer hunter, if you're this kind of hunter
Speaker 1: on board with helping, you better be on board with
Speaker 1: those guys because and now this ten years ago, five
Speaker 1: years ago, I might have said this was like fearmongering
Speaker 1: or something, but it's not. Man. The last seven years
Speaker 1: we have been on the forefront, but through Bare Hunting
Speaker 1: Magazine being the only bare hunting magazine in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean like we have a unique perspective on the
Speaker 1: on the anti hunting sentiment against bear hunting um just
Speaker 1: because of where we're placed. And I mean they are
Speaker 1: on track to knock us off the map in the
Speaker 1: next twenty years. I mean, that's that's there, that's what
Speaker 1: they think. If they did that, they absolutely would be
Speaker 1: taking another step up the ladder, which they'd be saying,
Speaker 1: you use elk decoys, to use those little puff up
Speaker 1: decoys that have elk ears on it and look like
Speaker 1: a cow elk and blow blow calcols when you're elk coming. Really,
Speaker 1: that sounds unfair to me. I think that's unfair. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna take away all elk colling. Just spot
Speaker 1: and stock elk hunting. That's all you can do. I mean,
Speaker 1: that would take the knees out of elk hunting, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that sounds like again five years ago,
Speaker 1: I said that was just it would be like conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory or something, but it's not. I mean, North American
Speaker 1: hunting will be vastly different in twenty five years, fifty years,
Speaker 1: ten years. If we don't do something, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that the bear hunting piece is really critical, I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I mean, and it's not nobody's saying that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like that, but it's a it's
Speaker 1: a broad picture, and it's a long picture, and people
Speaker 1: have a real hard time looking at the long term
Speaker 1: picture and the big broad picture because people, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're kind of like the red headed step child of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in the outdoors, you're you're kind of
Speaker 1: black eyed. And because I mean it, it's hard because
Speaker 1: you also have fellow hunters that hunt other animals that
Speaker 1: don't support you, you know, and in that unity, that's
Speaker 1: what we try to do with our YouTube channel, I mean,
Speaker 1: because of how diverse we are with you know, we
Speaker 1: put out a bunch of white tail videos, we put
Speaker 1: on a bunch of bear videos. Well, we have people
Speaker 1: that I love our white tail videos. They'll comment like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like your your your bear videos,
Speaker 1: but I love your white tail stuff. I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair that you use dogs on theirs,
Speaker 1: you know, so we're we're hopefully, you know, showing you know,
Speaker 1: those people that typically wouldn't watch a bear video, but
Speaker 1: because now we're popping up on their phone to hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we like these guys. What they're doing is
Speaker 1: actually pretty cool. You know. It's we're open, yeah, through
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel that we're kind of merging two worlds.
Speaker 1: So what do you guys tell people about hound hunting,
Speaker 1: like the benefits of it? Because I know I've heard
Speaker 1: like Clay talk about it like the office. I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: like whenever people to say that to you, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you say about hound hunting like it's it's benefits
Speaker 1: and and like its purpose. Well, a lot of what
Speaker 1: I've learned from it is actually listening to Clay. I
Speaker 1: mean you can, uh, you can when you have a
Speaker 1: bear tree, it's catching at least hunting. I mean you
Speaker 1: can decide right there, um, you know, is that a boar?
Speaker 1: Is that a sow? How big is it? Um? Doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be taken out? Um, you can make all
Speaker 1: those decisions right there at the tree. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: And and it's it's and when we shoot a bear
Speaker 1: um out of a tree. Nine percent of time the
Speaker 1: bear is dead before it hits the ground. So like
Speaker 1: when we shoot, you know, someone might shoot one of
Speaker 1: the bow, which of course I have no issue with.
Speaker 1: They'll shoot one. You don't know exactly where you're going
Speaker 1: to hit it. You know, with a gun, you don't
Speaker 1: always find them. The bears that that we run, you know,
Speaker 1: most of the time we're catching and then we make
Speaker 1: a you know, we can make a clean, good decision,
Speaker 1: ethical decision should we kill that bear? And so in
Speaker 1: terms of in terms if if we're actually talking about
Speaker 1: the ethics of being humane to an animal, it would
Speaker 1: be hard to stand in a court of law with
Speaker 1: an unbiased judge and not say that that's actually the
Speaker 1: most ethical that when you're talking about the death of animal.
Speaker 1: Because the animals in a tree, you're able to make
Speaker 1: a good shot, You're able to make a decision about
Speaker 1: the sex, age, whatever categories that that you have, if
Speaker 1: you have any you know, you're able to make that decision.
Speaker 1: And and you know, an old hound hunter and Appalachian
Speaker 1: Mountains told me this in response to somebody saying that
Speaker 1: running bears with hounds was cruel, like actually cruel to
Speaker 1: the animal while it was being ran. And he said
Speaker 1: the old man. What the guy said to me, He said, Clay,
Speaker 1: He said, there are critters being killed on that mountain
Speaker 1: right now as we speak, being chased down by coyotes,
Speaker 1: being caught by raptors being you know, hawks being. I
Speaker 1: mean like this idea that you know, how's chasing the
Speaker 1: bear is something unnatural, something new. I mean, Mother nature
Speaker 1: had a much more cruel death plan for that animal.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: see kill a bear with a with a shotgun after
Speaker 1: it's been chased for hour and a half by hounds.
Speaker 1: Mother nature had a much more cruel death planned for
Speaker 1: that critter. Doubt whether whether he died of starvation at
Speaker 1: old age, whether they got killed by rival male, whether
Speaker 1: he starved out in the then one winter after a
Speaker 1: low mass crop and no beech nuts. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like man, nature nature is cruel, and you know, like
Speaker 1: the antis, they don't want to hear that side of it,
Speaker 1: you know, they want to ignore that that part of it.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't want us being the ones that
Speaker 1: that you know, take that big mature bore out of
Speaker 1: out of the hearth. They would rather it's out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of minds, they really don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: what actually goes on, and so they typically ignore everything
Speaker 1: you just said. You you ask Kirk a question. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't help myself. I had to just jump in
Speaker 1: there and answer it for him. Sorry, no, you did.
Speaker 1: Once again, I agree. I feel like one of the
Speaker 1: things that there's a disconnecting is just like inside of life.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of people just don't understand struggle
Speaker 1: or like the way things actually work. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like just the way that kids are raised and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like things are so easy and so disconnected that
Speaker 1: that you just lose that sense that there's things that
Speaker 1: you have to struggle for or there's things that are
Speaker 1: just hard. And you know, it's like thinking about you know,
Speaker 1: dogs chasing the bear and the way mother nature is.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 1: just like they're just disconnected by the way that it's
Speaker 1: perception nature. Yeah, false perception nature. And I think I
Speaker 1: think that we add a human element to that that
Speaker 1: is valuable for people that to help them understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you guys YouTube channel, people seeing you guys being
Speaker 1: real and liking you. I mean the first time I
Speaker 1: watched you, I just liked you. I mean, and and
Speaker 1: that's highly valuable. I mean, like an anti hunter that
Speaker 1: was just adamantly opposed to running bear I figure that
Speaker 1: of them. If they came to my house and had
Speaker 1: dinner with me and my family and set around, and
Speaker 1: I mean, and I knew they were anti hunter, and
Speaker 1: they knew I was a bear hunter, they would walk
Speaker 1: away with maybe not a totally changed mind, but they
Speaker 1: would have respect for me. I feel like they would,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just in I mean, in so anyway
Speaker 1: that the whole idea of a face with a person,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what following a channel on YouTube does,
Speaker 1: is you kind of feel like you know somebody. So
Speaker 1: I think there's some benefit inside of that that people
Speaker 1: people probably there's just a there's a human, there's a
Speaker 1: human involved with it. It's not just a barbarian. It's well,
Speaker 1: some people might think Josh is barbarian. But I've given
Speaker 1: you a hard time, Josh. I hope you know, I
Speaker 1: hope you know I stay on him since he's used to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the greatest thing about the channel
Speaker 1: and YouTube, is it When you came up thus last
Speaker 1: year you were and we were sitting at our table
Speaker 1: when you just came up and say, Hey, Josh, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And I was like, hey, it's Clay. We
Speaker 1: never even met, but we've seen each other on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So that's the That's one thing I do like, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's one thing we try is connecting
Speaker 1: personally with our audience through the video. And well, uh
Speaker 1: late an hour at a Giovanni's Pizza and logan and uh,
Speaker 1: I had put a video up that the night before,
Speaker 1: UH where Josh and I weur bear hunting and I
Speaker 1: forgot my radio and I walked down to the dogs.
Speaker 1: So the bear came out of the tree and I
Speaker 1: was down there by myself. He couldn't track me, didn't
Speaker 1: know where I was. I couldn't talk to him, didn't
Speaker 1: know where he was. We just knew that the bear's
Speaker 1: gonna end up somewhere. But the point is I forgot
Speaker 1: my radio, so I'm walking and we made it me
Speaker 1: in the video like we talked about it because because
Speaker 1: it was a cluster, it was a cluster and that
Speaker 1: and and that's kind of that's that's kind of like
Speaker 1: who I am, though, Like I do stuff like that
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, I'm I'm kind of true. Josh,
Speaker 1: absolutely my messy, unorganized, no radio, no gun, GPS, no nine,
Speaker 1: no nine. He is scattered and gone. All he is
Speaker 1: is I'm getting to the dogs. But what I'm getting? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: back to So, I had forgotten my radio. So I'm
Speaker 1: walking out of Giovanni's and a guy says, hey, Kirk.
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like like, I look at
Speaker 1: him like I didn't know who he was. He said,
Speaker 1: don't forget your radio. Forget That's cool And that's the
Speaker 1: number one roule. Do not leave the truck without a radio.
Speaker 1: And I've done better. We got those chest harnesses that
Speaker 1: we've gotten probably sixty messages on what kind of chest
Speaker 1: harnesses do you all have? Where do you get those?
Speaker 1: That's that's our most asked question. You would not believe.
Speaker 1: What's the answer, can Tara non affiliated? No, they probably
Speaker 1: who we are. But I guarantee if they go back
Speaker 1: and they look at seals from two thousand and eighteen
Speaker 1: to two thousand and twenty, they had that. I guarantee
Speaker 1: that their chest pouches, the ones that we wear, they've
Speaker 1: went out of the They've had to produce God knows
Speaker 1: how many and can they're they're paramedic and smoke jumpers.
Speaker 1: That's what they were, the firefighters, like it's a safety pass.
Speaker 1: I would be like just google Chest Harness radio. But
Speaker 1: that's why biggest questions and I probably copy a past
Speaker 1: of the link to Amazon to that. I can't even
Speaker 1: tell you how many times we should be should be
Speaker 1: anything about it is. Kirk still to this day would
Speaker 1: not have one if he did not cabbage on to mine.
Speaker 1: Kirk is like a pirate. He he participates in a
Speaker 1: lot of piracy. Chest Harns s D cards. Don't leave
Speaker 1: any s D cards Kobe around this man because it's
Speaker 1: like it's like the guy off of X Men. He
Speaker 1: with the SD cards and metal he doesn't ye, he's
Speaker 1: like s D do with SD cards. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But now it it worked, what what
Speaker 1: what we do works for us? And and I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take the opportunity to give Kirk a
Speaker 1: lot of ADDI boys, because I mean I'm not any
Speaker 1: technical guy. Most people probably know that on our channel
Speaker 1: that listened to us and watch us. Now I'm learning, Yeah, slowly,
Speaker 1: he's learned how to turn the camera on ye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he Kirk has done a superb job at the editing,
Speaker 1: producing and and everything on that on that and um
Speaker 1: but and it's and it's working for us and that's
Speaker 1: what matters. And we're having fun. I mean, yeah, did
Speaker 1: we get pissed at each other? Absolutely? We do. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you spend that much time with somebody, if you
Speaker 1: don't have disagreements, then you're probably not real with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, um, do we get aggravated with with Lane?
Speaker 1: And you know Lane probably with Lane a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he gets brought well, he gets brought in
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm gonna say, but you know, he
Speaker 1: gets brought into a group he's never been around. Uh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know our hunting habits. You know, it gets intense. Um,
Speaker 1: I can imagine. But you know, we have a good time.
Speaker 1: And that's what you know, that's a that's the main
Speaker 1: that's a we wake up, you know, like for instance,
Speaker 1: I'm full time doing this. I wake up every day.
Speaker 1: I Mean my stresses in life are, Man, I gotta
Speaker 1: get that video edit of a hunt, you know, a hunt,
Speaker 1: you know, and then I can get it done and
Speaker 1: I can go out and hunt and video and I
Speaker 1: wake up every day with a smile on my face,
Speaker 1: you know, because if I absolutely love what I'm doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Man. Well, hey guys, any closing closing thoughts,
Speaker 1: anything you wanted to say that you didn't get to say. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff I wasn't able to say.
Speaker 1: I'm just I need to I need to close the
Speaker 1: podcast and my Josh voice, Yeah you should, I can't do.
Speaker 1: I wish you'd been there, Josh. It was awesome. I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear it. Yeah. Well, I just I want
Speaker 1: to thank you all for you know, having us and
Speaker 1: hopefully you're your audience like listening to us. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure we have a lot of it'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of crossover. Yeah, it'll be cool that we they got
Speaker 1: to hear us all together, you know place and I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, just the support, you know, since we've had
Speaker 1: our Champel, Clay and I've talked a lot on the phone,
Speaker 1: and um, I know that we don't um have to
Speaker 1: endure with a lot of other people in Hannah States endure.
Speaker 1: We understand that, but and we never want to hurt
Speaker 1: anybody in the other states. And what we do what
Speaker 1: we do. Want to show people what we do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've had those discussions, but just thank you all
Speaker 1: for supporting us and our channel and what we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we're fans. So check out the
Speaker 1: untamed YouTube channel and I guess this is going on
Speaker 1: your podcast too, so people can check out the bear
Speaker 1: hunting magazine of our people may not even we don't
Speaker 1: talk about the YouTube channel with time, but hey, thanks guys,
Speaker 1: thank you. The wild places wild because that's where the
Speaker 1: bears live. You should do it. And Josh's boys place wild,
Speaker 1: that's where and I think Josh needs to say it now.
Speaker 1: We need to say it full through. So it's keep
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the bears. That
Speaker 1: say it like full throttled Josh, it's keep the wild
Speaker 1: places wild because that's where the bears. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my headphones off. We might even use this give me
Speaker 1: give me a fist pump No no, no, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm like a yeah baby, yeah, yeah yeah, keep it,
Speaker 1: keep the wild. Yeah. I don't even know what I
Speaker 1: starts to say, the wild places wild because that's where
Speaker 1: the bears live. Can you write that now? Yeah, text
Speaker 1: to keep keep the wild places wild because that's where
Speaker 1: the Bears live. Yeah yeah, baby, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Guys that