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Speaker 1: Hmm. Welcome back to the horse Shittingest Podcast and all

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Speaker 1: the Land behind the Bastards. This is part two of

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Speaker 1: our episode on Alfred Prupp, Faimed Arms, Maven and horse

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Speaker 1: poop Lover. Uh. My guests as in part one is

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Speaker 1: Alison Stevenson, writer and comedian Alison How are you doing today? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, excited to hear more about horseshit. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: definitely more horse ship in this. Also, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people get killed. Um and uh spoiler, we get a Germany. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ready to learn how Germany came about? Yeah, man, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. It's one of those things that has

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Speaker 1: nothing but positive consequences. Thank god. Can you imagine life

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Speaker 1: without Germany? How different history would have been. That's facts,

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Speaker 1: that's bad. I'd have more relatives, problems, you would. You

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Speaker 1: would definitely have more a lot of a staggering amount

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Speaker 1: of people. A lot of Germans would have more relatives

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Speaker 1: if there had never been a Germany. Actually I will

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Speaker 1: say there would be too many English people. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't want that. So all the historic events we've discussed

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Speaker 1: so far, we're happening during a mostly forgotten by modern standards,

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Speaker 1: but very violent period called the Wars of German Unification.

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Speaker 1: So for most of the last few centuries, Germany hadn't

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Speaker 1: been a thing. It had been a patchwork of often

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Speaker 1: birth of the German Common Market, which we talked about

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Speaker 1: last episode in the German Confederation. But Germans being Germans,

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Speaker 1: sixty four involved Prussia and Austria allying to fight Denmark,

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Speaker 1: which at the time controlled a chunk of land and

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Speaker 1: what we now would consider northern Germany. Um, Denmark used

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Speaker 1: that should be ours, and so they had they had

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Speaker 1: a war. Now, when this war kicked off in eighteen

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Speaker 1: all of the difference in European wars, you know, more

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Speaker 1: than minor difference differences in musketry or cannon was whether

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Speaker 1: And this actually kind of piste off the King of Prussia,

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Speaker 1: He pointed out that Vienna wouldn't get their new cannons

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Speaker 1: here's what he writes. The terrible ghastliness of those dead

427
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: transcended anything I had ever seen or even dreamed of

428
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: in the shuddering nightmare after my first battlefield. Remember how

429
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: they had been slain. Not with the nimble bullet of

430
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: the needle gun that drills a minute hole through a

431
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: man and leaves him undisfigured unless it has chanced to

432
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: strike his face, Not with the sharp stab of the bayonet,

433
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: but slaughtered with missiles of terrible weight, shattered into fragments

434
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: by explosions of many pounds of powder, mangled and torn

435
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: by massive fragments of iron. Huh. Yeah, it's the first

436
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: modern modern deaths. That's how everybody dies. Now. It's good stuff. Yeah, yeah,

437
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: it's fucking rules. So cities have been ravaged by war before,

438
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: but eighteen seventy marked the first time one was wrecked

439
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: by soldiers who never even entered the city's borders. Far

440
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: from horrifying the planet, it ignited a tremendous hunger for

441
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: krupt guns. So people see this fucking slaughter instead of

442
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: being like, you guys just murdered a bunch of civilians

443
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: and broke all the laws of war. They're like, I

444
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: gotta get some of those fucking cannons. I need some

445
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: of that ship. Give me those, Give me those motherfucker's. Yeah,

446
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: this guy is really good at making guns. Look at

447
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: how many dead people there are in Paris. It's great. Sucks.

448
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: This is not one of our more optimistic about people episodes.

449
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: It sure isn't. At least government suck and a lot

450
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: of the tists. Yeah. So from the arms of Krupt

451
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: quote krup cannon became the new status symbol of nations.

452
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: Turkey used them to guard the Bosphorus Romania to protect

453
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the forty bastions of Bucharest. According to legend, Tiny and

454
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: Dora bought a long range gun and then discovered that

455
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: it couldn't be fired without hitting French soil. In eighteen

456
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: seventy three, the Corrupt Work payroll was half again as

457
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: large as in eighteen seventy. The firm had surpassed the

458
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: peak of its wartime production. Then came the Sino Japanese

459
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: War Scare of eighteen seventy four. In eighteen seventy five,

460
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: the first in a long series of plums which fell

461
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: into Alfred's lap. Tokyo had purchased cannon from Schneider, and

462
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: the Chinese warlords had been buying from Armstrong, but by

463
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: now memoirs of men who had fought at Sadan Mets

464
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: in Paris those are all battles from eighteen seventy were

465
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: being read over the globe. When Krupp wrote flattering letters

466
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: to Lee Hong Chang, the Bismarck of Asia, and sent

467
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: him a model railroad. Lee responded by ordering two hundred

468
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: seventy five field guns, another hundred fifty cannon to arm

469
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: the Taku fort guarding the approach to Tiensen, and a

470
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: complete armament for eight warships. And gratitude. Alfred hung over

471
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: the head of his bed a portrait of Lee, despite

472
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: his fear of combustible combustible objects in the castle. Word,

473
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: if his Chinese coup reached Potstam, Krupp tells governments what

474
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: they must buy. If governments were poor enough, He really did.

475
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Backward countries were given shipments of obsolete weapons despite the

476
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: huge bill paid by Asia's Bismarck. Li Hong Cheng didn't

477
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: receive Essen's latest model, which was being delivered to St. Petersburg.

478
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: That winter, the Taku forts got outdated cannon and a

479
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: handsome order from bang Hawk was filled. From the same prescription,

480
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Alfred wrote, tartly Chinese and Siamese can blow their enemies

481
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: to bits well enough with these. Wow. Yeah, send the

482
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: shitty guns that explode sometimes to the Asians. They're not white, damn. Yeah,

483
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: he's a real piece of ship. Yep. Yeah, he's a

484
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: terrible Person's a piece of horse ship. Sorry, yeah, no,

485
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: don't say that. He that's that's a compliment. Yeah, he

486
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: would love to hear that. You tell him he's a

487
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: piece of horse. He would say thank you, yes. But

488
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: to everyone else, yeah, except for they have to pretend

489
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: it to like it, because they want his guns fair enough, Krupp.

490
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: One of the things I guess that is kind of

491
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: heartening here is that as successful as he was, Krupp

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: was fundamentally incapable of taking any pleasure in his success.

493
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: He always found new things to worry about. And in

494
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: the Yeah, as the eighteen seventies rolled on, this thing

495
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: was communism. So in eighteen seventy one, like, I love

496
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: that there's no like guilty conscious going on. It's like

497
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: it's not worried about how his guns are gonna sell.

498
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: He is incapable. The only thing he ever feels guilt

499
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: about is when his guns blow up and kill German crews.

500
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: M M yeah, Um, he's a good dude, so he

501
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: starts flipping out about He thought communism was pretty funny

502
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy when the French went on strike and

503
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: they didn't get their steel cannons in time. But in

504
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy one, the Social Democratic Party goes on strike

505
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: in Germany and threatens to shut down the minds that

506
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: brought Krupp his iron and coal. Alfred was furious. He

507
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: issued a company directive that neither now nor at any

508
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: future time would a former striker be allowed to work

509
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: for Krupp. He was kind of enough to recognize that

510
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: strikes and communist sympathy among workers were caused by the

511
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of workers were miserable and desperate.

512
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: He decided to address this by issuing a groundbreaking list

513
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: that he called his General Regulations. These guaranteed his permanent

514
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: employees a pension, healthcare, old age care, and a variety

515
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: of other benefits that we now look together as part

516
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: of a social safety net. He invents welfare. Basically, he's

517
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: he's the first company to do a pension. Is see

518
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: if this was to be made into a movie, that's

519
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: the only thing that they would yeah, that they would

520
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: say about him and ignoring all the weapons ship well

521
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: and where it's not as good as it sounds. So

522
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: he sends out a list of these benefits to his

523
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: employees in part to make sure that they won't strike.

524
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: But the list aren't mostly benefits. They're mostly a list

525
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: of obligations that the workers have to the company. Yeah,

526
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: so he like really focuses on what the companies owe

527
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: the firm, and he liberally threatens his workers throughout the document.

528
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: As in this passage, the full force of a of

529
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: authority must be used to to suppress disloyalty and conspiracy.

530
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Those who commit unworthy acts must never be permitted to

531
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: feel safe, must never escape public disgrace. Good, like wickedness,

532
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: should be examined through a microscope, for their truth is

533
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: to be found. Even as a seed bears fruit and

534
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: direct ratio to the nourishment or poison it is given.

535
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: So it is that from the spirit that an act

536
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: benigner evil arises. And again the act that is evil.

537
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: He's talking about is like unionizing um, which is yeah. Now,

538
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: the more corrupt played with the idea of his general regulations,

539
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: the more they turned into a corporate dictatorship. He decided

540
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: that his company was entitled because he was now paying

541
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: them pensions and stuff. His company was entitled to an

542
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: employee's full and undivided energy, and he gradually came to

543
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: feel that that meant CRUP should be the entire focus

544
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: of a CRUP employees life. To that end, he developed

545
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: housing colonies for his employees, each building named after a

546
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: CRUP ancestor. He built a bread factory, a wine store,

547
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: a butcher plant, and even a hotel. This city of

548
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: Essen turned into an extension of Alfred Krupp's personal property.

549
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: From his vantage point, the best thing about providing all

550
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: of these services to his employees was that he could

551
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: take them away from workers who did things he's disproved

552
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: of and destroy their entire lives. A dismissed employee lost everything,

553
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: even his pension and of course his company home. Alfred

554
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: wrote to the Kaiser that this system would quote be

555
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: useful for the prevention of socialistic errors, because you lose

556
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: your whole life if you get fired now. Damn kind

557
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: of true today. Yeah, thanks, Alfred, Yeah, not not much different.

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: He's a trailblazer, not not like an Alfred Right now.

559
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: To help further prevent those errors, Krupp instituted a program

560
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: of snooping, the first centralized workplace espionage program. Yeah, you

561
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: talk about like the night early nineteen late eight hundred,

562
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: early night, like the eighteen nineties through the nineteen twenties.

563
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: This is huge in the United States. The Pinkerton's are

564
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: a big deal. Kruff is doing this in the early

565
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies. He's he's the first company to have an

566
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: organized program of spy. Yeah, yeah, very ahead of his time. Today,

567
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: companies like the Pinkerton's provide corporations like Amazon with surveillance

568
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: of workers who might win a unionize. And that starts

569
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: with Krupp, who ordered, quote a constant, quiet observation of

570
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the spirit of our workers, so that we cannot miss

571
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: the beginning of any ferment anywhere. And I must demand

572
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: that if the cleverest and best workman or foreman even

573
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: looks as though he wants to raise objections or belongs

574
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: to one of those unions, he shall be discharged as

575
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: quickly as practicable without consideration of whether he can be spared. Wow. Wow,

576
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: he's a fucking cool dude. Let's just go to ads

577
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: and not think too much about any of this. We're back.

578
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: I love not thinking too deeply about history. Um So again,

579
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: a lot of as nice as some of these social

580
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: welfare things sound on the surface, a lot of them

581
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: are really very negative and abusive. But I do have

582
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: to give Alfred credit for something which is that inspired

583
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: by the rules that Alfred puts in for his company

584
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: and the social like welfare that he gives his workers,

585
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: Otto von Bismarck introduces a series of landmark German social

586
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: welfare legislation that is like based on the general regulations

587
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: that Alfred writes, and those become the backbone of all

588
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: German social security to this day. The entire German welfare

589
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: state starts because of Alfred Krupp, like he he inspired,

590
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: like writes down the initial laws that become the backbone

591
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: of everything that has done later, which is like something

592
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: you have to make note of. I guess he doesn't

593
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: do it for a good reason, but he does do it.

594
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow right, yeah, it's it's it's fun. Um Now, Obviously,

595
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: even that is more problematic than it might sound. Um,

596
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote from the arms of Krupp here.

597
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, the Reich's workman Insurance Code was extended

598
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: to all laborhoods. Extended to was to extend to all

599
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: labors the rights that Krupp had given his men nearly

600
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: four decades before. And the following year Kaiser Wilhelm the

601
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Second declared an essen that the Iron Chancellor Bismarck had

602
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: been prodded by Krupp. Echoes of the general regulations were

603
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: to be heard in the third Reich. Hitler wrote in

604
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Mind comp that his own program had begun with a

605
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: study of Bismarck's social reforms, and the slogan of the

606
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Fewer's Labor Front leader Robert Ley community spirit must be drilled,

607
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: was taken almost verbatim from Alfred's fourth article, So both

608
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: the Kaiser. Long after Alfred's death, both the Kaiser and

609
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: Hitler copy his labor reforms not because they care about

610
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: the workers, but because they're a good way to prevent

611
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: communism from taking place, because they provide just enough security

612
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: that it makes people not want to unionize. And yeah,

613
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: a little more complacent, and the Nazis recognized this and

614
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: almost copy him word for word in some pet places

615
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's good stuff. Good stuff would have made

616
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good dictator. He would have made it. He

617
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: was basically a dictator, and he would have made a

618
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: fantastic Nazi. I mean his his his son was an

619
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: amazing like his like grandson, I guess was an amazing Nazi.

620
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, his grandson was a huge Nazi, big,

621
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: big solid Nazi. Uh great, a solid Nazi. Did he

622
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: inherit the horseship thing? Or was that just no? I

623
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: think that was just Alfred. Yeah, yeah, it's a little peculiar.

624
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Still stuff, it's weird. So Krupp himself never lived to

625
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: see the lot rise of the Third Reich, but his

626
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: descendants loved it, and there's no reason I think he

627
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't also have loved it. He Yeah. He wrote this

628
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: in reference to the German Social Democratic Party, which, in

629
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: spite of his best efforts, rose throughout Germany. In his

630
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: later life, I wish somebody with great gifts would start

631
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: a counter revolution for the best of the people, with

632
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: flying columns, labor battalions of young men. He's saying, he

633
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: wants a Nazi party. Like that's what that statement is, is, like,

634
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: there's too many fucking liberals. I wish somebody would start

635
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: a counter revolution with like flying columns of young men

636
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: ready to beat the ship out of socialists. Yeah, that's

637
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: definitely what humanity needs as a solution to things. Yeah. Yeah,

638
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: when he's crying out for somebody with great gifts, he's

639
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: he's crying out for Hitler, Like that's who he Like,

640
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't know it at the time, but that's who

641
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: he's begging for. What if he like built Hitler himself

642
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: out of like a bunch of horseshit. Yeah, I mean,

643
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: in a way, he kind of did. He certainly was

644
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: one of the people made Yeah, he was one of

645
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: the people who made you know, Hitler possible. Obviously, you know,

646
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: you don't get a Hitler without a lot of people

647
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: wanting a Hitler and a lot of ground work had

648
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: to be laid. But Alfred's one of the guys who's

649
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: down there plugging away to make Germany ready for a Hitler.

650
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: That is absolutely fair to say. Alfred was a staunch

651
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: opponent of democracy. He wanted the abolishment of universal human stuff,

652
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Ridge and the franchise to vote withdrawn from people without property.

653
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: He urged his workers to ignore politics and put up

654
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: notices in his factory that a vote for the Social

655
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: Democratic Party was a vote for the idle, dissolute, and incompetent.

656
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: He went on to advise them, enjoy what you have

657
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: when work is over. Stay in the circle of your family,

658
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: with your wife, children and the old people, and think

659
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: about the household problems and education. Let that be your politics.

660
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Then you will be happy. But spare yourself the excitement

661
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: of big cut. Questions of national policy, issues of high

662
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: policy require more time and knowledge than the workman has

663
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: at his command. You're too dumb to think about politics. Yeah,

664
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: when the Social Democrats, yeah, he's not. He himself is

665
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: a pretty smart guy. When the Social Democrats won seats

666
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: in the reichs doug anyway, he fired thirty men for

667
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: suspicion of socialism. Now in his late sixties, Crupp became

668
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: a tyrant, cracking down or rationally on anything that seemed

669
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: like the scent. Periodically he would flee Essen and his

670
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: company for weeks at a time, hiding in his terrible

671
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: house and sending missives out. He would invite p belover

672
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: and then refused to see them, spying on them secretly

673
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: through hidden chambers in his home and leaving them notes

674
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: critiquing their behavior. Once, when an unmarried couple flirted in

675
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: his home, they woke up to find a sheet of

676
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: paper with his handwriting on it in their bedroom telling

677
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: them that a carriage was ready to take them away

678
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: because they kissing and ship. Yeah, he's a weird dude.

679
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: In short, Alfred Krupp lost his damn mind. His wild

680
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: success brought him a kind of megalomania. He mortgaged the

681
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: company near the breaking point to buy up almost every

682
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: mine in Germany on the notion that he must secure

683
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: for his descendants a hundred years worth of raw materials

684
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: to keep the company running. He threatened to sue employees

685
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: who left Krupp for another company, and even attempted to

686
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: have it made illegal for people to switch employers. Like,

687
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, Yeah, he's out of his damn mind

688
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: by the time he's like in his fifties and sixties. Um,

689
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from the arms of Krupp again here.

690
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Since he was providing his employees with homes, schools, hospitals,

691
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: and food, he reasoned that they're hours away from work

692
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: belonged to him too. It is an astonishing fact that

693
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: most of them agreed, or at any rate right displayed

694
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: no signs of mutiny. There is no evidence that he

695
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: provoked either indignation or amusement with what was, by any yardstick,

696
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: his most extraordinary order to the men of my works.

697
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: He had been thinking it over, he said, it had

698
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that a faithful workman's place of

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: work included the marriage bed. Just as the sole proprietor

700
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: was acquiring enough raw materials to last the house of

701
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: Krupp for the next ninety nine years, so must every

702
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: conscientious CRUP employee strive to provide the state with plenty

703
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: of loyal subjects and to develop a special breed of

704
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: men for the works. In other words, you owe me

705
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: a duty to have kids so that I have employees

706
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: in the future and my children have employees. Damn, this

707
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: is messed up. Yeah, it's it's really bad. He's terrible,

708
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: and a lot like Jeff Bezas. He's just open homeless

709
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: shelters for Amazon employees. So the continued success of the

710
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: social Democrats through Alfred into a constant rage in his

711
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: waning years, he ran for election and lost amidst a

712
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: massive leftward swing that saw the SPD. The Social Democratic

713
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Party allied with the Centrist Party to try and block

714
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: a landmark military appropriations bill that would have been a

715
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: lot of money for Alfred. Alfred became incredibly invested in

716
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: that year's elections, pushing his employees to vote for an

717
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: approved mandate and going so far as to have the

718
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: local elections Commission, which he controlled, issue marked ballots so

719
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: he could punish any employee who voted the wrong way.

720
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: And yet still his candidate, who was his son at

721
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: this point, lost and the Social Democrats gained seats. Alfred

722
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: threatened to dynamite his entire factory and had to be

723
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: argued down by his employees, who pointed out that the

724
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: Nationalists were still in charge and we're still going to

725
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: pass the appropriations bill, so it was kind of stupid

726
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: to blow up his entire factory just because they were

727
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: slightly less overwhelmingly in charge than they had been before.

728
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: But he's that kind of guy, like, you're still in power,

729
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: but other people have had political success, so you want

730
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: to blow up your own factory. Like he's yeah, he

731
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: is kind of trumpy um, and the fact that the

732
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: SPD still existed and seemed to be gaining ground kind

733
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: of bro Alfred. He posted a note in his shop

734
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: that stated, the next time I go through the works,

735
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: I want to feel at home, and I would rather

736
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: see the place empty than to find some fellow with

737
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: venom in his heart, such as every social democrat is.

738
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh boy, it's like maybe a little bit of it

739
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: might be putting that a little bit, uh, projecting a

740
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: little bit there, buddy, Like yeah. So next he hired

741
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: inspectors to go through all the trash and his workshops

742
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: and his worker housing projects and comb for literature critical

743
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: of either company management or the German government. An old

744
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: man who had worked as a corrupt night watchman for

745
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: thirty three years was fired, so was a worker whose

746
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: landlady had wrapped his lunch in a newspaper Alfred disliked.

747
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Alfred considered this program a great success, and so he

748
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: hired a new inspector to go through the used toilet

749
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: paper to see if socialists had left any notes in

750
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the bathroom Like it's he's fucking out of his mind

751
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: at this point, um, And it's weird because like the

752
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: left never harmed his business in any way. In fact,

753
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: the last decade or so of his life was the

754
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: most profitable period in CRUP history to date. At least

755
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: fifteen little wars broke out and involving countries he sold

756
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: arms to. Sometimes his clients even fought. Yeah, yeah, and

757
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: he loved this. Yeah. So the Russio Turkish War happens

758
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: from eighteen seventy to eighteen seventy eight, and Krupp had

759
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: sold guns to both sides, and so he starts asking

760
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: both sides for testimonials both so he can improve the

761
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: killing power of his weapons. And he takes these like

762
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: testimonials from Russians and from Turks about how deadly his

763
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: guns are, and he sends them to every member of

764
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: the English House of Commons, and he's like, why are

765
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you guys buying British guns when my guns are so

766
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: much better? Like look at how good, look at how

767
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: good they are at killing my customers, Like you should

768
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: be buying guns for me. Geez, like drawing little pictures

769
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: like everything hurt this guy. Yeah, boom nico boom on him. Yeah,

770
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: he's a little bit, it's just yeah, he's kind of

771
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: obsessed with England. Too, so he's very frustrated that they

772
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: never do buy his weapons. By the late eighteen eighties,

773
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: Alfred was constantly ill in more than half mad. He

774
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: spent his twilight years constructing and attempting to sell what

775
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: was basically an enormous stationary tank. It was just a

776
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: giant armored gun that couldn't move and was wrapped in

777
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: so much armor that it was basically destructible. During demonstrations,

778
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: Alfred would sit inside it and wait while his own

779
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: gunners shot him with artillery shells. Despite this display, nobody

780
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: bought a single one of his guns. He hatched hatched

781
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: another scheme to create hollow islands topped by armored guns

782
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: that he was going to use to blow up boats.

783
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: But everyone was like, these are crazy, And eventually his

784
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: son instructed the factory to ignore any further communications from

785
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: his father because he had just gone mad. Uh Krupp

786
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: finally ceased to rule the arms factory that had been

787
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: his entire life's work, and he died almost immediately after that,

788
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: on July seven, from a heart attack. And that's the

789
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: story of Alfred Krupp. Wow, Yeah, he lived so long

790
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: for a horseshit guy, for a guy who breathed in

791
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: nothing but industrial poisons and horseshit his whole life. Maybe

792
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: there's something too that ship thing. Yeah, maybe he wasn't wrong.

793
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not try that, but let me know how

794
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: that goes. Yeah yeah, somebody else wouldn't have to try it. Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

795
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: So that's the story of the man who made everything

796
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: else that happened in the twentieth century possible damn good. Yeah,

797
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: and the guy who helped in invent Germany. So him

798
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: and Bertha did have a kid, Yeah, no, he had.

799
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: He had a couple of kids with her, and the

800
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: kids mostly Actually, the reason they finally split is in

801
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: two she asks him to um like she comes to him,

802
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, our son wants to get married. And

803
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: it was to a woman that Alfred didn't like because

804
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: he didn't like anybody, and he was like no, and

805
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: she packed up all of her ship and left for

806
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: good and it broke his heart and she never talked

807
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: to him again, even though he like let his kid

808
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: get married after that. Um because he's again just like

809
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: a like a cussed piece of ship who was incapable

810
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: of like hated being with himself and as a result,

811
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: it was miserable to be around, and so nobody could

812
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: be with him, and he just spent his entire waning

813
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: years designing increasingly impossible weapons. Jeez, all he could think

814
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: about as an old man because he had nothing else.

815
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: All he could think about as an old man was

816
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: how to make more ways for other people to kill

817
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: each other. What a life for in existence? Could have

818
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: been the train track guy, Alfred, But instead you're the

819
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: guy who people killed. What a waste of being a

820
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: smart person. Yeah, if he just made better ways for

821
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: people to travel, everybody, Alfred crap, the train guy. What

822
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: a cool dude. Yeah yeah, but no, that is not

823
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: the way the story ends. So how are you feeling

824
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: taking it all in, absorbing all of these facts. Yeah,

825
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, yeah, this is definitely a

826
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: little bit more German history nerd uh for our podcast.

827
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: I should also state for the record that Alfred was

828
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: pretty anti Semitic, but also so was everyone at the time.

829
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't get the sense that like he was

830
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: different from literally every other person in German and that

831
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: right right right, Like he like everybody's racist against Jewish

832
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: people in Germany in the eighteen seventies. You know, history

833
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: has shown it's pretty easy to be Anicomitic. They were

834
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: that racist in France and England, in America too, something

835
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: about us in Russia, Turkey, everywhere, but China pretty it

836
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: wasn't anti China. China was good about In fact, there

837
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: was there was I forget which city, but one of

838
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: the coastal cities in China had like a huge Jewish

839
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: population by the time World War two broke out, because

840
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: like the Chinese actually liked having Jewish people in their cities,

841
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: and then of course the Japanese killed all those people

842
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: to please the Germans, and it was just like this

843
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: horrible thing, and that's why we eat Chinese food on Christmas.

844
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: And the China after that massacre, after like the city

845
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: was retaken, China build a giant monument to the murdered

846
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Jews of that city because they felt bad about it.

847
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's that, there's that, but everybody else unbelievably

848
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: racist against juan people. But yeah, Krupp is not like

849
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Speaker 1: a trailblazer in his as. Yeah, yeah, he's just kind

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Speaker 1: of like joining the mob on that one. Yeah, at

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Speaker 1: this point in time, anti Semitism is like liking Rick

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Speaker 1: and Morty. It's just not at all worth acknowledging. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Alison, you've got any pluggables to plug? I mean

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Speaker 1: I will speaking of Jews, plug my uitable original like Mother.

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Speaker 1: It's very Jewish. I mean, I will say that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the most positive statement that's ever come after the

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Speaker 1: words speaking of juice. Normally that does not lead to

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Speaker 1: something good. Well, here we go. I'll give it to you.

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Speaker 1: Uh if you want to listen to a mother daughter

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Speaker 1: comedy called Like Mother that starts me and comedy legend

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Speaker 1: Susie Esman, then there you go. There you go, check

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Speaker 1: out that, check out everything and check out I don't know, cannons.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's a bad thing to check out. Cannons.

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Speaker 1: Don't check out horseshit. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I like

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I much prefer people have a lot

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Speaker 1: of horseshit than a lot of cannons. I mean, fair

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Speaker 1: enough at the point, Yeah, what about cannons, but instead

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Speaker 1: of like cannon balls, it's big horseship balls. He didn't

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Speaker 1: come up with that, just fling horseshit at the enemy

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Speaker 1: to try to give them better ideas. Yeah, weirdo what

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Speaker 1: a fucking weirdo,