1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. Hey, what's up, everybody, 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday, April five. 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: It's National Championship Monday. Coming off a phenomenal Easter weekend, 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: not just personally, but obviously, Saturday Nights Final Four was 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: off the charts good, I mean goodness, gracious Gonzaga U 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: c l A. Probably played one of the three best 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: college basketball games I've ever seen. I did witness Duke 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: versus Kentucky the Laatener shot. I remember watching it on 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: my basement with my buddy at the time. I forget 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: what great I was in, but his name is Brett Fox. 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: All my high school friends listening to this, No Brett. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: We were huge fans of basketball and we played all 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: the time, and we were watching that game and it 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: was just staggering when Laytner hit the shot. I was 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: with family, my kids, even my wife checked out the 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Jalen sugs Bank jo. I mean, I rewounded like seventeen 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: times because I'm a nerd, but I just I thought 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: it was a great weekend because of that. Obviously, hope 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: everybody had a great time Easter with their friends and 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: family and I just want to say we took a 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: brief pause on Easter because I had to record an 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: interview yesterday with Jay billis just a phenomenal analyst, pretty 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: much the de facto commissioner of college basketball, if you will. 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: Nobody knows the sport better. He played, he was a star, 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: he played a duke. He's a lawyer. He's basically one 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: of these analysts who calls it like he sees it. 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: I've known him for a little over a decade. Just 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: a great guy. And he came on the podcast. He 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: said some really interesting stuff about not only the Gonzaga 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: U c l A game, but tonight's game. I'm not 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: gonna give away his pick, but we're on opposite sides. 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: And I will just say this, if you are into 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: college basketball futures looking toward next year, Hello gamblers. He 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: said something fascinating and I had to go research it 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: so that I did research it later on Sunday and 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I came up with this and fran Fra Sheilla touched 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: on it on this pot a couple of weeks ago. 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: Is the transfer market exploding and starting to become bigger 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: than one and done? I did not know this, but 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: transfers usually don't play a part in the Final Four, 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: and in the last five years that has changed. So 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: in twent there were only two starters in the Final 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: four who were transfersen. That number went to five this year. 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Eight starters in the Final four or transfers. There are 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: four in tonight's game. Baylor has three of them. Gonzaga 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: has Nemhard, the kid from Florida. But transfers are the 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: way to go right now, because you don't know what 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: you're getting with some of these high school kids who 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: have been gassed up through AU And obviously there's really 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: good players in high school, but what would you rather 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: have an eight nineteen year old with a bit of 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: a learning curve or one or twenty two year old 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: transfer who has played college basketball, scored at a high level, 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: defended at a high level, and you know, again, it's 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: like four years older than a high school kids. So 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: transfers are the way to go. And I'm telling you 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: right now, whoever gets high impact transfers is going to 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: help greatly their chances. At the Final four night we 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: talked about that with Billis. I'm not gonna steal his thunder. 60 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put out one team right now to 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: watch for next year. They landed two transfers already. Georgetown 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: center transfers to Maryland, Rhode Island point guard transfers to Maryland. 63 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Both of these guys are double digit scores. And then 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: you look at the Terps. Their top three scorers are back. 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: This is a team beat Yukon in the first round 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: and they got annihilated in the second round. Doesn't matter. 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna have basically five guys who are twenty one 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: or older. And when you get that kind of veteran play, 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna see it translate on the court and they 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: say is a Baylor team. Folks, you're gonna watch him 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: tonight like davey on miss Are. You're gonna be like, Wow, 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: this guy's awesome. Where's he been? He's twenty two years old? 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: You know. That's why he's not being talked about as 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: a high lottery picker top ten because he's twenty two now. Butler, 75 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: who was Baylor's best player all season, he's only twenty. 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: Teams feel like, oh, Mitchell's two towy with college kids. Yeah, 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: he's really good, but what's his upside? Is this the 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: best He's gonna be versus Butler, who's only twenty. What's 79 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: his upside like? So that's something to think about as 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: you analyze the futures market once this game ends. Obviously, 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: every sports books racing to put up lines for next year. 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Maryland is a team you're gonna want to watch. Now. 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: The transfer markets ridiculous. There's so many good talents out there, 84 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: not a lot of them to pick schools. Yet. We'll 85 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: see how that pans out. Just one thing in the 86 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Bill's interview, listen to what he says about the best 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: high school player in the country, chet Homegrun, who is 88 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: currently tearing up or tore up Minnesota high school basketball. Okay, 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Sugs tore up Minnesota high school basketball. He landed 90 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: at Gonzaga. Is check Homegroun gonna get out of Minnesota? 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: And where would he? Lynd Billis says he already knows 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: that was stunned me, But you know you gotta wait 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: for the interview really quickly. I'll just give my two 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: cents on the title game, I bid bet Baylor. I 95 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: did bet Baylor instantly as it came out. Got five um, 96 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: significant play and it's down to four and a half, 97 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: So I feel kind of good about the side I'm on. 98 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: That being said, I just this Gonzaga team it feels 99 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: and I know you're gonna hear this. It's cheesy. It 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: feels like destiny, does it not? I mean a thirty 101 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: five ft shot at the buzzer to keep the undefeated 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: season alive to beat U C l A. But that 103 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: you really you looked at that game and you're like 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: it Gonzaga's defense that good? Or did you see l 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: A just play out of its mind and didn't miss 106 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: anything in the mid range? And I just I don't 107 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: know how Baylor will match up with Timmy. He's number 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: the problem, the biggest problem. Baylor's two big guys in there, 109 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: like rim runners, nothing special, And I don't know how 110 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: they match up with Kissberg. They'll probably have to bring 111 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: the kid with the mullet off the bench. He's a prospect. 112 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: He's a pro prospect. And conversely, I don't know who 113 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: you put on Mitchell and Butler, Like Jalen Suggs is 114 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: a great defender as we saw in that game, the 115 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: phenomenal block and then he recovered it and went down 116 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: through the the great bounce pass like jail and Suggs 117 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: a stud kids incredible top five pick could be number one. 118 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to sort that out this week. 119 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know who he God. Does he guard 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Mitchell because antig will go for twenty two fatigue by 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: the way a transfer, I mean, does he guard Butler? 122 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Then Mitchell will go off. So it's a difficult decision. 123 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: I'm expecting a great game. I'm I'm took the points 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: of Baylor. I have one pool. I'll finish fifth and 125 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: win a little bit of money if Baylor beats Gonzaga. 126 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: My guess is it's a one point game. I think 127 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Gonzaga probably wins it, but I bet Baylor, and I 128 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: do think there is some value Baylor winning on the 129 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: money line. Do you know what the comedown is off? 130 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: A Saturday Nights win over time? Four starters played over 131 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: forty minutes. They played the late game, and their their 132 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: hearts were probably beating when they woke up with the 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: morning Like you know, Baylor's probably a practice earlier morning. 134 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Gazagga probably needed to just relax a little bit, like 135 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: to come down off of winning a game of that magnitude, 136 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: seeing your name all over the internet having your phones 137 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: blow up. Baylor didn't have to go through that. Every 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: player on Gonzaga was getting reached out to by every 139 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: friend they've ever had. That was the greatest game ever. 140 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: You couldn't turn on the TV without seeing Gonzaga highlights. 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I just think Baylor has the value here, so I 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: bet them. Now let's hear what the great J Billis 143 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: has to say about the Final Four. Jason likes to 144 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: think he knows everything when it comes to sports. I 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: know what sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't. 146 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 147 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: know a guy who knows another guy. Let's welcome into 148 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: straight fire. A legend in the college basketball world, played 149 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: at Duke, was an assistant coach during the Christian Lightner 150 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 1: shot against Kentucky, and now he's an ESPN analyst. J Billis, 151 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: J Billis, how are you man? Happy Easter? Yeah, happy Easter? 152 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Jason good. Good to talk to him? Doing great? Yeah, 153 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: I've known j for a long time. I interviewed him, 154 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Jeez must have been like twelve years ago. Him and 155 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Bill Raftery. I walked around at a Big East tournament 156 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: following those two characters boy, you guys are you guys 157 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: are good buddies. How how is raf are we doing? 158 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: By the way, I talked to him last night about 159 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: two in the morning after the game. But the u 160 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: c l A good Zagga game, and we just kind 161 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: of talked about that and you know, laughed. And usually 162 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: when referee calls it too in the morning, he's probably 163 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: up to no good. But uh, but we had a 164 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: good time kind of just talking. We talked about we 165 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: was talking about for twenty minutes just about the game. 166 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a remarkable game and we we 167 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: couldn't come down from it. Really. Yeah, it was unbelievable. 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: I just want to start. I don't even know where 169 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: to start. Like, the game was incredible. U c l 170 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: A put up an amazing fight. The finish, you know, 171 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: a lot of Let's start with the you know, Gonzaga 172 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: electing not to call time out they had one time 173 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: out to spare. Were you a little surprised at that? 174 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Or take me through your thought process as Jusang scores 175 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: the bucket. I was actually calling the game for ESPN International. 176 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be a huge star in Sweden now, 177 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I guess, um, But when when the game. You know, 178 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: when when Jusang scored on that stick back and tied 179 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: the game, I thought you shouldn't call it time out. 180 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's plenty of time to get down, you know, 181 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: three dribbles and get a shot up um. But it 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: all depends on kind of can you get it in 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: clean things like that, And I think Mark f You 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: after the game said it looked like, you know, he 185 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: might call it time out because I think they were 186 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: bobbling the ball around or something like that. But you're 187 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: gonna get a better shot, used, a better opportunity when 188 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: the defense isn't set than if you call time out, 189 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: because you get to set up some sort of play, 190 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: but they get to set up their defense too. And 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: defense is you know, it's so different now than it was. 192 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned Christian late. Everything is more sophisticated now. Certainly 193 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: the offensive sets are more sophisticated. The players shoot half 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: court shots all the time now. They've practiced them so so, 195 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you Tagga practices that every day. At the 196 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: end of every practice, they shoot half court shots, so 197 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: they're they're used to that kind of thing. And you know, 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: back when I played, that's not something you did that 199 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: those were considered frivolous, you know, screwing around shots and 200 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: uh and I think I think this is right, Jason. Like, 201 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: right before Kentucky broke their huddle, the last thing that 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: Rick Petino said before they went on the floor before 203 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: later hit that shot was don't foul. And so when 204 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the ball was in the air, instead of going after 205 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: the ball, um, you know, they were worried about about 206 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: picking up a foul and that that's not the case anymore. 207 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: Nobody's worried about that. They that's a loose ball when 208 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: it's in the air, and they basically say go get it. 209 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Do you think it mattered that the game was tied 210 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: if they were if Gonzaga was down one on the 211 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: Jusang bucket, maybe then they called time out because you 212 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean you could you don't want to lose the 213 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: game on on a forced half quarter. I don't know, 214 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: that was just the thought I had, you know, tie game, 215 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: they let it fly. Yeah, that's see that that's sort 216 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: of the the idea. Theoretically, it should be the same 217 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: that if you're gonna get a better shot when it's tied, 218 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a better shot when you're down one. 219 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: You know what's the difference. Um, you know that the 220 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: issue is what's the best shot that you can get? Uh. Now, 221 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're that concerned about it, um, yeah, 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: then call the time out. But but I think the 223 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: same logic holds and the same theory I had. I've 224 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: had this discussion a lot with people in the college space, 225 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: uh in the college game about you know, fouling when 226 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: you're up three. Um, you know, so you're up three, 227 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: Rponis got the ball? Do you allow them to get 228 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: a shot up to tie it? And and you'll have 229 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: people say, well, I don't you know, I don't want 230 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: to let anybody have they have the chance to time me. 231 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, why why don't you foul 232 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: then when you're up to so you can get the ball? 233 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: Like what? Why? That doesn't make any sense? Like if you, um, 234 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you're worried about losing, that's one thing. 235 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: But uh, but I think when you're worried about getting tied, 236 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: it's okay to rely upon your defense. Like I'm I'm fine, 237 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it's better to foul under five seconds. But 238 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I understand why why some programs want to rely on 239 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: their defense. You know, Kansas Bill self doesn't foul in 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: that situation. For example, Yeah, well mc cronin against Alabama 241 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: up three, didn't foul and the kid hits you know, 242 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: like a twenty eight foot or the force overtime. You 243 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: know they U c l A had a charmed run 244 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: j youah right. I mean they got extremely lucky, but 245 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: no luck against Gonzaga. I thought that was one of 246 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: that was they looked like an incredible team. People are like, 247 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: how are they in a eleven seat? Yeah? And and look, 248 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: that was the best game they've played all year long. 249 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: And I really believe that would have beaten any other 250 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: team in the country except Gonzaga. That's good. It was. 251 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: And and I think it was a day or two 252 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: before the game. You know, when you know how as 253 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: you're being asked a thousand times on TV, you know, what, what, 254 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: what's your prediction? What do you see happening? And all that, 255 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: which of the two games has a better chance of 256 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: an upset? And I thought the better chance to pull 257 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: an upset was Houston. And and so I had said, look, 258 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying U c l A can't win. I 259 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: actually said this, I'm not saying U c l A. 260 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Can't win, but they'd have to have a Villanova tie 261 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: eight five type game. And they did. I mean, they 262 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: actually played. They might have played for forty minutes better 263 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: in ways than Villanova did against George Town because they 264 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: went toe to toe, up and down. Villanova slowed the 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: game down and shot in the second half. But but 266 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: this was this was as well played a game in 267 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: that setting. It wasn't just the ending that was good. 268 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: The entire game was great. And uh and I think 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: it was the best game I've seen in person. I 270 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: w wasn't there in or some but the best guy 271 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: game I've seen, like the high level games since uh 272 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: since that Duke Kentucky game night. You were you on 273 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: the bench for that. You were an assistant coach at Duke. Yeah, 274 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: I was a grad assistant then, so that was my 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: third year as a grad assistant. So yeah, I was 276 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: sitting right there. I was the one that behind the 277 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: huddle saying, well, you know what are we gonna do? 278 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: And we're screwed. This is you get a score here, 279 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: We're screwed. Uh yeah, So I mean it's everybody wants 280 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: to compare the games. I don't want to say about 281 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Gonzaga's defense. I know they're top ten by all the metrics, 282 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: but you c l a was I mean, they were 283 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: hitting mid range shots all night, like, you know, looking 284 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: ahead to the Gonzaga game, Gonzaga Baylor game. I didn't 285 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: think Gonzaga's defense was particularly great last night. Well I wouldn't. 286 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean, they made mistakes 287 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: in fouling jump shooters, I'll give you that, but it 288 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: made a couple of like Jalen sucks came off of 289 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Johnny Jusang when the ball on a ball side post 290 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: pass when it went into Cody Riley and that that 291 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: you can't do that. So he made a mistake. Then 292 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: he it up for it right away, came down to 293 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: hit some unbelievable turnaround jumper, uh, pivoting in the lane. 294 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: But you know, it certainly wasn't a perfect defensive effort, 295 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and they did they did make some errors, but I 296 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: think it was more high level offense. And honestly, Jason, 297 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: like I would use that as as an example for 298 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: the rules committee, like, look, we got to get away 299 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: from all this, you know, giving charges away like the 300 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: t Halloween candy and and uh, you know, like slanted 301 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: officiating toward the defense, Like it's so much better to 302 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: have a game where where you know, you do have 303 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: some freedom of movement, where guys can make shots and 304 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: the game should be about scoring, not about who can 305 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: bow guard the other to the ground. And and look, 306 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: did they miss some calls? And was there you know, 307 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: physicality that I think they could have dealt with better 308 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: in the in in that game perhaps, but but but overall, um, 309 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: it was the kind of game you go, Okay, this 310 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: is the way you want to see a game, a 311 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: game played. Yeah, the Baylor Houston game was pretty awful. 312 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was over five minutes in, it felt 313 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: never felt close. I am curious. You know when you 314 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: look at Baylor Gonzaga, I just you know, Baylor's got 315 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: the great guards. But Jay, I don't a I don't 316 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: know how they handled Timmy and b I don't know 317 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: that they have a good matchup for kiss Burt unless 318 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: they go to the kid off the bench who who's 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: really good. But then they'll end up being a little smaller. 320 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: What do you think if what do you think Scott 321 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: drew strategy is going to be here? Well, they switch 322 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: a lot, so the initial matchups don't mean all that much, 323 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: um so, so I'm not as concerned about that. I 324 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: think the biggest issue for um for Baylor, as you said, 325 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be Drew matching up with Drew Timmy 326 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: because he's such a great scorer. And the Baylor big 327 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: guys are more rebounder, defender, screen rollers, you know, guys 328 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: that are going to get stickbacks, drop offs, things like that. 329 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: They're not throw it in the post, you know, scorers 330 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: or pick and pop scorers. Uh So, when they were 331 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: going against Houston, initially in the game, Houston every every 332 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: ball screen, Houston was sending two guys to the ball 333 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: and basically darrying Baylor, throw it to your big guys, 334 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: let him make a play. And and so they brought 335 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Matthew Meyer in and played a little smaller where they 336 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: could spread it out. That helped them. And and also 337 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: they made an adjustment of of you know, running their 338 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: ball screen action in the middle of the floor where 339 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: you can eliminate help. So all of a sudden, you're 340 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: big guy rolls to the basket, and then there's a 341 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: decision to make if if you're gonna tag that and 342 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: and send a week side defender, then you can have 343 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: a shooter open at the three point line. And I 344 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: thought Baylor did a really good job of that. Yeah, 345 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, I do, I do. I think Baylor the 346 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: line has come down a little bit. It was five 347 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: down to four and a half. And you just wonder, Jay, 348 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: you played a lot of basketball games when you have 349 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: a buzzer beater like that, you know, and you've got 350 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: to come around quick, turnaround in forty eight hours and 351 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: play tossing the undefeated aspect um. It feels like all 352 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: the pressure is gonna be on Gonzaga Monday night. Yeah, 353 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess so it depends on how you 354 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: look at it. I mean, both teams are are right 355 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: there for something they've always worked for, always dreamed of, 356 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: never happened before in their sphere, in their program, nobody 357 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: within their programs have ever has ever done this before. 358 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: And uh and that's a weighty, weighty thing. You can't 359 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: help but feel it. I don't know how it's going 360 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: to affect the team's um. You know, it does one 361 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: team get tight? I don't think kizag is gonna be 362 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: too worried about the whole undefeated thing. To me, that's 363 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: h I don't think that's gonna affect the way they 364 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: play now the stage and being this close to a championship. Maybe, 365 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: But but I think it's just gonna be one of 366 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: those factors of which team plays better, uh, in that 367 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: in that setting, and both of them are capable, like 368 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: both of them are capable having great games, and both 369 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: of them are capable of having having a little bit 370 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: less than agreement. The one thing Jason that I kept 371 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: saying on the broadcast last night and to myself honestly, 372 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: was throughout the game with U c l A and Gonzaga, 373 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: the quality of Gonzaga's shot attempt was better than than 374 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: U c l a S. Throughout the whole game, they 375 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: kept getting layups, and after a while you're kind of going, 376 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer U c l A 377 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: can keep this up. Now, they kept it up the 378 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: whole game. It was just too had the ball last. 379 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: But but in that, in that kind of when that's happening, 380 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: you have to favor the team that's getting easier shots 381 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: over and over again. And and Gonzaga got scored fifty 382 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: six points in the paint against U c l A. 383 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, Michigan didn't come close to that, and nobody, 384 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: nobody they played came close to that, and uh, and 385 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't see how they don't do the same thing 386 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: to Baylor that they've done it. They've averaged fifty points 387 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: uh in the paint all year. And it's not because 388 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: they've got you know, Timmy, some Eli Juan type behemoth. 389 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: You know. They they're the best passing and cutting team 390 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And and they played like a EuroLeague 391 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: team with the with their movement, and they're just extraordinarily 392 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: hard to guard. Where the heck their fourth best players 393 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: had a triple double this year and was on well 394 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: mention All America and at twenty two last night. Yeah, 395 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: he was really good. It's funny you mentioned euro team. 396 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: When I watch him, I think, geez, this is like 397 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: an NBA team. It's all layups or three's. It's everything 398 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: inside or jack and three's like an NBA team. And 399 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: U c. L a Is taking much lower percentage mid 400 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: rain shots. They just happen to make them like six 401 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: their twos last night. Do you think Baylor can hang now? 402 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: They they are the best three point shooting team in 403 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: the country per Ken palm Um. So you know, theoretically 404 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: they can give up the layups, will trade two for 405 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: threes all night, right, Well, they gotta make them though. 406 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: That's the problem when you're giving when you're giving up 407 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: all those two's. And and you know Gonzaga shoot six 408 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: as a team from two point range. I mean, that's absurd. 409 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: You know that that's all time great stuff. And uh 410 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: and you know, Gonzaga is not a really good three 411 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: point shooting team. They can make freeze, but they're not. 412 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, like the old days with 413 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Gonzaga where they'd make ten or eleven or something like that. 414 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: They're not that type of team. But Baylor is, and 415 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep shot them they shoot. I think the 416 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: issue is, you know, on the three point shooting is 417 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: what type of threes can Gonzaga make Baylor take? Like 418 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: if they're driving kick threes when they're step ins, that's 419 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: gonna be tough to deal with because they make those. 420 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: If if you can make them take them off the dribble, 421 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: maybe behind the screen or something like that, um, then 422 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: you've got a chance. Like if you can shrink the court, 423 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: to me, the best example of how to guard Baylor successfully. 424 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: They still lost, but Iowa State did a really good 425 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: job of it because they kind of they kind of 426 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: shrunk the court a little bit and uh and made 427 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: Baylor take threes that they would would have preferred not 428 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: to take. Not not that they can't make them, but 429 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: they they're not gonna make this higher percentage of them 430 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: three you know, in theory. Um, but look, you know 431 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: it's a championship game. You know, we never thought George 432 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: down was gonna get beat I don't think I don't 433 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: think Zag is gonna get beat, but but they certainly 434 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: can be beaten. Certainly. Now, let's say Nzaga wins. I 435 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: think everybody's gonna try to put their list of the 436 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: greatest teams. Let's just stick in the modern era. You know, 437 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: shot clock, that's the one I'm most comfortable with. Where 438 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: where do you think you'd put this Gonzaga team. I 439 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: know it was a weird, quirky season with the bubble 440 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: at the n Tournament, but I mean, without question, they've 441 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: got to be there with some of the better coach 442 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: k duke teams, Kentucky, U, N l V. Right, Oh yeah, 443 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean, I I don't know, you know, 444 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard some of the teams that you know, 445 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: maybe have lost a game or two. If they go undefeated, 446 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be really hard not to start talking 447 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: about them as one of the one of the greatest 448 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: teams ever, and not just in the shock clock here 449 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: because it's kind of funny, like and I know they're 450 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: different here as I get it, But that's what we 451 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: do is we talk about stuff like this is fun 452 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: and it's not binding. It's fun. Uh you know, we're 453 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: not We're not putting it on parchment or you know, 454 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: like it's not that putting in a museum. Um. But 455 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: if you took this Gonzaga team and they played Indiana six, 456 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, who do you think would win? And you know, 457 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I think this Knzaga team would win. Um but but 458 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: but the the Indiana seventies six team has been voted 459 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: upon as the greatest team ever by certain outlets, and 460 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: so does it? Is it just that they were the 461 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: last undefeated team or we had an affinity for them, 462 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: like I think that some of the teams that get 463 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: the worst treatment, or like uh U c l A 464 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: with al cinder, you know, like ESPN did a thing 465 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: when the pandemic started. The greatest college basketball player ever 466 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan won. Hey, look, look, I'm like, look, 467 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue about Michael Jordan being the greatest 468 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: player ever everything included. But he was not the greatest 469 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: college player ever. Llewell sender. Kareem dul Jabbar was. And 470 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: it is not a discussion point, Like it's not close 471 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and uh and but you know, how do you do 472 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: that when when most of the people voting weren't born 473 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: yet or or you know, didn't study the game, And uh, 474 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard, like fibre Kareem, you know, I'm 475 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: sure he was shaking his head, going, are you kidding me? 476 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Like you're putting like Shaquille O'Neal finished ahead of him, 477 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: and like Pete Maravich, Like Pete Maravich had a five 478 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: record in college, he never played in the Double A tournament. 479 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: And uh and shock, as great as he was, couldn't 480 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: have couldn't have scratched what what Kareem did in college. Say, 481 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: but but then, the same thing I think with teams 482 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: is there's a recency bias and some other other kind 483 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: of bias that goes into it. Yeah, you didn't even 484 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: mentioned Christian Laytner, who you know, for my time on 485 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: this planet. I don't think there's ever been a better, 486 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: more successful player in college hoops than Christian Lightner. Yeah, 487 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: more successful for sure, and and he he would be, 488 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, among certainly on the top tier. But some 489 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: people give me pushback on this. But when they when 490 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson was at Duke, they were saying, you know, 491 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Zion Williams and the greatest Duke player ever. I'm like, no, Um, 492 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Grant Hill was. And they're like, what about Christian Latener, 493 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: Like Grant Hill was better than Christian Later? And and 494 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't believe it's an argument. Um. 495 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: That's not to say Later wasn't great and all time great, 496 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: but what do you do when you're talking about all 497 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: time great versus all time grade and you gotta you 498 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: have to pick one. Grant was a better player, and uh, 499 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: and then that shows you how great Grant was. But 500 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: it's that kind of you know, that kind of thing 501 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: with these teams, like, um, you know, do do I 502 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: think Duke two thousand one would beat Gonzaga? It would 503 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: be close. I mean they probably would, But that undefeated part, 504 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: if Gonzaga wins it, that undefeated part is a trump card. 505 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: You throw down and then and then the undefeated team 506 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: bring brings the chips towards them. I think, yeah. I 507 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: mean even that U n l V team that you know, 508 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: the one that beat Duke and then lost to Duke, 509 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: was pretty much the same team. And uh, I would 510 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: love to see that group against Gonzaga because that would 511 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: be as an incredible matchup. I mean that UNLV team 512 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: was stacked. I do want to use Jalen Suggs to 513 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of dovetail into a larger issue in college hoops. 514 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: So Suggs incredible high school player in Minnesota. I was 515 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: reading seeing he was a football legend, like this State 516 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: of Minnesota's Mr Basketball. Mr Football. How does a guy 517 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: like that get out of Big Ten country and end 518 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: up at Gonzaga? Because that is that? Can we say 519 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: something about college hoops changing because I mean that's a 520 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: seminal moment for the Gonzaga program. I mean they haven't 521 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: lost with Jalen Suggs there. Yeah, it's a um it 522 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: shows Gonzaga is a different animal in college basketball, uh 523 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: than it used to be, and it is now among 524 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: the top programs. It's not like, hey, there are mid 525 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: major that's competing with No, they're as good as anybody, 526 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: and they're they're as good as anybody ever. Really when 527 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: you start thinking about, you know, the last five years, specifically, 528 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: Gonzaga is the first team ever so when thirty games 529 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: are more in five straight years, and that includes last 530 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: year with the pandemic, without playing the instable a tournament. Uh, 531 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: they've made of the tournaments played, which you know excludes 532 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: last year, they made six straight Sweet sixteens. I mean, 533 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: it's absurd what they've done. And and so now now 534 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: they're not only getting a better cut of player, um, 535 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: they're getting top five talent, and they're they're likely to 536 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: get the number one player in next year's class that 537 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: that goes to Gonzaga. They're gonna get there, getting top transfers, 538 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: they're getting top international players. UM, because the players know, Okay, 539 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: I can go to Ginzaga. I get really well coached. 540 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: It's a great group of people, great group of guys, 541 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: great group of coaches. They're wonderful people and and they 542 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: get it on and off the floor. You can concentrate 543 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: on on school and basketball. It's a great community. And uh, 544 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: and every every practice is going to be like an 545 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: NBA practice, um, and you can work on your game. 546 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: All the players that have gone there seemed to stick 547 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: around there. It seems like everybody that's played for Gonzaga 548 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: lives there. UM and so so they've built a great 549 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: basketball community around the program and it's become incredibly attractive. UM. 550 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: You know, and Jason, you didn't ask me this, but 551 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you anyway. UM. That's that's that's what I've become. 552 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna tell you what I think, whether you 553 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: ask or not. But Mark, few like years ago, I 554 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: met Mark. I'm probably in the late nineties and years ago. 555 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: When jobs would come open, that really big jobs, I 556 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: would always talk to him and say, you know, you 557 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: have to think about this, and he's like, no, I'm 558 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: not interested. I'm happy where I am. And I'm like, 559 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: but Mark, you can win one there. And he's like, 560 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: we can win one here because we can win it here. 561 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: And he was the only one, maybe his assistance or something, 562 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: but he was the only one that believed this could happen. 563 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody outside of his inner circle really 564 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: actually believed that we would ever see anything like this. 565 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: And to me, I think it's the It may be 566 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: the greatest success story in in college basketball history, and 567 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: especially if they pull this one off. Um, you know, 568 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: like that, just don't see that. You're not gonna see that, 569 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna see it. I don't think you're 570 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: gonna see. He's got more coaches at mid majors fired 571 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: than anybody. It's ridiculous. M hmm, that's an it's I 572 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: hadn't heard that line. That's a good one. Um, I 573 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: I do you know, I wonder if this is just 574 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: cyclical because we've seen some mid major's bubble up VC 575 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: you at a moment, Butler with Brad Stevens at a moment. 576 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: But this is consistent greatness. And I wonder are we 577 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: seeing a changing of the guard j You know, UK 578 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: had a Kentucky had a really down year, and we're 579 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: seeing the one and done stuff. Um kind of. I 580 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: don't know if it's go away, but given the G 581 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: League and the overseas options, Uh, we're seeing Indiana fire 582 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: a coach. We're seeing Roy Williams stepped down coach k 583 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: is I believe seventy four? Are we just seeing a 584 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a change here in college basketball? We're 585 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: seeing a little bit of a shift in the way 586 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: things are being done. I don't think we're seeing a 587 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: shift that all of a sudden, you know, anybody can 588 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: do what Canzag it did. And that's what I mean 589 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: about getting get coaches fired. Like there are a lot 590 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: of A d s and in presidents who frankly don't 591 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: have their head screwed on straight to think they can 592 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: be the next Gonzaga. And you can't. Like that was 593 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle. They did everything right. It's been 594 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: an extraordinary thing that they've done. But but you're right, 595 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: like you can point to, Okay, Butler did it for 596 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: a while, this team did it for a while, which 597 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: State had it going for a while, but never like this, 598 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: And we're just not going to see that kind of thing. Uh. 599 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: It's more likely to continue and happen at the at 600 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the major level where you've got you know, the brand 601 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: names and all that stuff. But we're not going to 602 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: see one and done go away. We're still going to 603 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: have that. The issue for for Kentucky and Duke and 604 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: all that this year was they didn't get the right 605 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: one and done. And you know, Kate Cunningham went to 606 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State where his his brother works UM and you 607 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: had Evan Mobley go to USC where his brother went 608 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: to school and and his uh, I think it's his 609 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: dad works, you know, stuff like that, so so you 610 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: know they didn't. And then you have Jalen Sucks, as 611 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: you pointed out, goes to Gonzaga, doesn't go the traditional 612 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: route when they get the big shots, and they will 613 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: um that will change again. Um for that for their fortunes. 614 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: But the other thing, Jason, that that everybody has to 615 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: adjust to is you gotta you gotta recruit transfers. Now, 616 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: the programs that are recruiting the transfers well are winning, 617 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: and the ones that don't and are sitting around complaining 618 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: about the changing landscape. It's like it's like us sitting 619 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: around going, god, I missed the rotary phone days, and 620 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't like these cell phones. And you know, I 621 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: I preferred it when you you had a real answer 622 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: machine that that had a cassette tape in it. You know, 623 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: you can sit and complain all you want to, but 624 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna get left behind. This is changing. Everything changes, 625 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: and the transfer market is a big deal and if 626 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: you're not in it, you're gonna lose. Period. Fox Sports 627 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 628 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot 629 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart do you Laugh? Search 630 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: f s R to listen live. And I noticed that 631 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: Kentucky got the kid Grady from Davidson, who I mean, 632 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: I thought he was a pro for several years now, 633 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: really good talent. And so do you think people will 634 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: start to go away from the one and dones a 635 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: little bit? And maybe we'll see more schools like this 636 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: kid chet home groom. Mau'm sure you've sta seen him, 637 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: the seven footer. Do you think someone just goes to 638 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: his dad and says, Hey, I'm gonna make you assistant coach? 639 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: Can we get your son to come here? Because you 640 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: know we saw that with Danny Manning back in the 641 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: day at Kansas. You mentioned Cave Cunningham, the mobilis like, 642 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: are more school is going to do that to the 643 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: elite one and done? Guys? They should if they want to. 644 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: It's legal, there's nothing wrong with that. Um, you know, 645 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: some people don't like it, don't care for it, whatever, 646 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: And maybe some schools have anti nepotism rules or something 647 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: like that. I have no idea, but yeah, if you want, 648 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: if you if it's something that's effective and getting the player. 649 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with all that stuff. Um, 650 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, and you mentioned chet Holgren Homegren. I think 651 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: he's I think he's gonna go to Gonzaga. So yeah, 652 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: so you have all these and who knows. But I mean, 653 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I that's what I my 654 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: judgment is and what I hear. But um, when you 655 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: I think, when things have changed like this, you're gonna 656 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: have to make decisions. And the decisions are gonna be 657 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: the same whether you take a high school kid, uh 658 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: and you think that the player is going to be 659 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: one in Ton or whether you take a transfer, whether 660 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: you're taking someone you think is gonna be there for 661 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: two or three or four years whatever. I think you 662 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: have to have a mix and you have to make 663 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: good judgments as to who you bring in, just like 664 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: you do when you're hiring assistance or whether you went 665 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: when you're hiring a coach, Charlotte, you have to make 666 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: good decisions that you just can't say, well, i'm gonna 667 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: go hire a former sister, I'm gonna hire someone's head 668 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: coaching experience. You have to hire the right person, uh, 669 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: and those can be variables, but it has to be 670 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: the right person. It's the same thing with players. It's 671 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: got to be the it's got to be the right player. 672 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure it matters as much about like 673 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: the one and done thing comes with a value judgment. 674 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: And when you hear people say I don't like one 675 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: and that's funny they like it with Jalen sugs. You know, 676 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about one and done right now. But I'll 677 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: tell you what, if Gonzaga had lost in the regional final, 678 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: you would hear all of so many of us talking 679 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: head saying there are no one and don's in the 680 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: final four, can't win with them. And then you look 681 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: at at the last ten years or eleven years since 682 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: John Calipari got the Kentucky who's won the most tournament 683 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: games in the in that that amount of time, in 684 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: that period time period eleven years, Duke and Kentucky the 685 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: ones who've had the most one and done. So we 686 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: can look at this one year and say, ah, one 687 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: data point makes a trend, but it's not the trend 688 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: is that one and dones win. It's just that that 689 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, you not everybody can have them, and uh 690 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: and and so if one of them goes to the like, 691 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: uh you have you have usc uh go to the 692 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: go to the Elite eight. Was it was that a 693 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: failure of one and done? I don't think it was. 694 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: They haven't been to the Elite eight since Paul Westfall 695 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: was there. Uh so that's not true. It's probably two 696 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: thousand and one was the last time. But but it's 697 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: it's that kind of thing, like you know, people pick 698 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: and choose what what suits their argument rather than looking 699 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: at the whole thing. I guess I'll wrap up with this. 700 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: We saw Indiana, Um listen, I'm not gonna criticize Mike Woodson, 701 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: but they wanted to keep it in the Indiana family, 702 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: so to speak. And now we have U n C. 703 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of chatter Waller shops. Who should 704 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: they go after? Should they have gone after Porter Moss? 705 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: Should they go out? I should Mark few? Should they 706 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: keep it in the family? Where are you j on 707 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: the whole? Let's keep it in the family. And I 708 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: know every school is going to do it differently, but 709 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: you've been around the sport longer than anybody. I'm curious 710 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: as to your thoughts on this, on this idea of 711 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: keep it in the family. Well, I first of all, 712 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: do what you want because there's a lot of there 713 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of constituencies that go into this, you know, 714 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of money righting on this. So 715 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: you have people, you have people in the quote unquote 716 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: in the family that that you want to keep on 717 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: board and all that stuff. So there are a lot 718 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: of variables that go into it, not get it. The 719 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: thing that I've always I've always maintained is in any job, 720 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: you want the right person kind of like we were 721 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: talking about before, you want the right person. Why would 722 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: you close the universe off of the right people or 723 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the right person by family, you know, family only. Like 724 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: if I was having brain surgery, I wouldn't look for 725 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: the best brain surgeons in my family. I'd look for 726 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: the best damn brain swer And not to not to 727 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, conflate things here, but but um, or if 728 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking for the best pilot to fly me in 729 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: an airplane, I wouldn't go, well, you know, his uncle 730 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: Joe a good pilot, or you know, I wouldn't I 731 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing that. I'd looking for the looking for 732 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: the best pilot period um. But there are other things 733 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: that go into this stuff. But the family thing. One 734 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: of the funny things about family is the head of 735 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: the family wasn't in the family to begin with, and 736 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: and so like like you know, Dean Smith wasn't He 737 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: didn't go to North Carolina, went to Kansas. And Coach 738 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: k didn't go to Duke, you know, he went to 739 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: West Point. He wasn't in the family, but he started 740 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: this family and uh and Indiana, you know, Bob Knight 741 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: didn't go to Indiana, he went to Ohio State and uh. 742 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: And now I don't think they're still beholden tonight, but 743 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: I think Indiana fans want some wanted somebody that they 744 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: felt understood the job, understood the challenge, and understood them. 745 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: And they've got it with Mike Woodson. He's a great 746 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: coach and a great guy. They couldn't have done better 747 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: as far as all those things are concerned. But if 748 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't win, they'll turn on him too, and they 749 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: don't care about that. That's the way it goes. And 750 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: I asked that because you know, listen, we've seen Steve 751 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: Kerr come out of the booth to coach Golden State. 752 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: We saw Steve Nash go to Brooklyn with almost zero 753 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: coaching experience. I know he was on the bench with 754 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: the Warriors for a minute, Um, but listen, coach k 755 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: is seventy four. I know there's a lot of former 756 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: UH coach k guys in the family, Quinn Snyder, Tommy 757 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: Amaker who would probably want it. But you know, at 758 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: your at this at your stage, in this career that 759 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: you've carved out for yourself, would coaching ever appealed to 760 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: you or probably not? It did years ago. Um, I 761 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: got I and I had some offers to get get 762 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: into it, get back into it, but I don't know 763 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: at this stage of my life that something might be 764 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: willing to do that would be more up to my 765 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: wife than anything. It is intrigue, It is intriguing. I 766 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: don't I don't know that i'd be any kid at 767 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: it after all these years. But I think I've learned 768 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: a lot um about the game just when the broadcast 769 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: side getting being behind the scenes with all these great coaches, 770 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: You're sitting in their practices and their meetings and their 771 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: film sessions and all that. So I probably learned more 772 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: about the game as a broadcaster than I ever did 773 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: when I was actually in the game. Uh, and I've 774 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: had time to study it. It's been great. But but 775 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't anticipate anybody picking up the phone and saying, hey, 776 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: you want to coach do for Carolina. You don't want 777 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: a CEO type role as head coach. You don't want 778 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: to have to jump on a private jet and go 779 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: recruit these guys every week. That's not that's not fun. Um. 780 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: But private jet sounds good. The private jets sound come on, 781 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: you just mentioned your wife. I know you like life 782 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: and golfing and having fun. But anyways, all right, j 783 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: Bill lists ESPN analyst. Really good guy, and Jay, thanks 784 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: for taking the time of your Easter weekend man. Always 785 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Jason