1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: and Ben here breaking down episode two of Jen's season. 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Hello Benjamin, Welcome back. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 3: Ashley. I cannot believe we're doing this together again. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: I can't either. Today's definitely the last day. I've been 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 2: manifesting July fifteenth as the day, and I still think 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: it's today. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: So an absolute wild time. Well, Ashley, we are here 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: to talk about the Bachelor ed Bachelor. There is a 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: lot to talk about. This is kind of the episode 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: that things pick up a bit obviously. 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: Also, congratulations to the show did really well. Week one 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: did much better than our expectations ratings wise. So just 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: because I didn't feel like it was about a lot, 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 2: like I think that Jen's totally likable bachelorette, just didn't 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: think that people were like ready for it. 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think the show is in a really good place. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 3: If they don't ruin it and so like this season, 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: if they knock it out of the park, if they 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: don't try to manipulate too much, if they don't make 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: it super corny, if they don't make it unbelievable, then 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: I do think the show is in a really good place, 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: and I do think people are excited about the Bachelor 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: and Bachelorette again and the Golden Bachelor and Bachelor. Yeah, Ashley, 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: I did think this show, this episode's specifically walked a 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: fine line between me not believing it and believing it. 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: It did, at the end become believable to me. It 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: felt there. 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Was something missing from this episode for these guys to 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: be so riled up about. 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like there was something missing. I also 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: really didn't like the intro with like them going to Australa. 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: It felt like all these like thirty year old dudes 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: were acting like ten year old children, like screaming, running around, 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: jumping on the beds with each other, like jumping on 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: the couch. It just was like it felt forced to me. 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: There's some drama queens though in this bunch that I 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: feel like they would just act up for camera. 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh the camera's on. 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: There's corny, Yeah, and they're all. 43 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: Trying really hard to be funny, but like, not any 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: of them. There's not one yet that I'm like, Oh, 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: they're like just like quick witted. There's not one yet. 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: Gin Actually, yeah, those guys yet none of them stand 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: out to me as being like, like somebody would make 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: you belly laugh. 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that you didn't find anybody's stand up 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: performance during the group date good. It was Actually we 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: didn't see anything besides the Devin bashing. 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah it felt weird. Let's start there. And so we're 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: obviously finding ourselves in Australia. Jin and the men are 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: starting out. Theydn't even stay in the mansion, which there 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: was no mansion this year. They're in Australia. 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: About that, okay, I think that Marshall, who owns the mansion, 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: was like, guys, love you, but I'm not going to 58 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: leave for Golden Bachelorette, Bachelorette and Bachelor, so pick your two. 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: I still just believe money speaks, like I'm I think 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: he would leave for a price. Yeah, I guess to 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 3: have another house somewhere. I mean, the guy's been making 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: millions on this show. I think maybe. I mean, it's 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: not a bad theory. I'm just saying I would be 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: shocked if he doesn't have a price, and maybe the 65 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: price is too high for one night of filming, and. 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: Well, definitely one night. He's not going to do it. 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Sure, they're not going to do it. 68 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: That's too much work for one night to turn over. 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: That's a good point too. Well, they're not in the mansion. 70 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: They are in Australia. They're staying at a Marriot. We 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: got to see that nice little ad. I love Marriott. 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: It's big Marrit man, and the guys do their little intro, 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: which I've already said did not make me like him 74 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: any less or more. It just felt like I could 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: fast forward through that and not see any of these 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: dudes doing what they were doing. Jen is looking beautiful 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: as usual. 78 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: So beautiful, like look amazing, this entire episode amazing. 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: And we start with a group date where these guys 80 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: are tasting different things. I do think there was something 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: at the very beginning of this group date that I 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: wanted to speak with you about. It. It is I 83 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: think his name is sam In. He's the one that 84 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: is the love virgin. 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: He is lactose intolerant. 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, lactose intolerant, a little quiet and to himself, and 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: I think they tried to make it a storyline, like 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: it felt like it was going to become a thing, 89 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: and I couldn't help thinking the whole time that he 90 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: was admitting that he just feels a little uncomfortable, a 91 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: little out of his element, that that's very normal, that's 92 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: very okay. This is the first week. You should feel 93 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: a little out of your element. You are trying to 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: figure out how to date this girl or for her 95 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: to even try to get to know you in the 96 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: midst of some chaos. But it almost felt like they 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: were trying to make it where the other guys were 98 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: gonna get upset with him about it. 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: I felt, oh, really, I didn't vibe that, But I 100 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: like him. 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: I like him so far because you were. 102 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: Like, Okay, I kind of see what you're talking about. 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: Because the guy was like, oh, you're not eating that 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: because you're lactose and tolerant, almost like they wanted him 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: to be like, Oh, it's okay, a big tough guy, 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: I'll just eat whatever. 107 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: Just get a stomach ache for you. Yeah, let me 108 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: get a stomach ache for you. Not a not a 109 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: massive deal. But that kind of came and went, and 110 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: then we had the comedy show where all these guys 111 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 3: kind of out of nowhere. 112 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: Well, first, Devin pulls her aside to get gelato on 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: their own, yeah, which gives them the material to hate 114 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: him and. 115 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: It was so crazy, Ashley, And maybe things are just 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: different now, but this happens. It happens every season. It's 117 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: not unexpected, and yes, you're not gonna like everything that 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: every other guy does. But my I remember being on 119 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: the back and thinking to myself, I'm gonna let these 120 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: other guys sabotage each other, like I am not the 121 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 3: one that's gonna step in the middle of this. If 122 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: this dude wants to go spend time with her and 123 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: she really is into it, then that's great for them. 124 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: Maybe they're gonna end up together good. That's what we 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: hope happens here. Maybe she realizes that this dude is 126 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: a little annoying, and maybe the other guys dislike it 127 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: too and they step it up. But it felt like 128 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: all these guys kind of packed together and got mad together, 129 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: which was very odd to me. You didn't just have 130 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: one guy going at him, you had multiple. 131 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: Devin is not the most likable guy, Like, we get it. 132 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: He's brash, bet and I he could even tell from 133 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: his bio he likes to eat things he's allergic to. 134 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: He's he's something okay, But what he did here was 135 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: not outrageous. 136 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: At all. 137 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: He pulled her aside for a few minutes to get 138 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: ice cream, and he didn't even kiss her. And pulling 139 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: someone aside on a group date to get a few 140 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: minutes alone not weird, not even rude. Okay, why would 141 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: you want to spend your entire time on the group 142 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: date with the other guys? Who have these guys never 143 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: seen the show before. They were all just very jealous 144 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: that they didn't come up with an idea to pull 145 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: her aside themselves. 146 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: They're using the word disrespectful. They kind of kept called 147 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: Devin disrespectful at multiple different times during this episode. Now, Devin, 148 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm assuming, is not everybody's cup of tea. I don't 149 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: think everybody likes him, But I don't know anything he 150 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: did that was disrespectful. I don't think I saw anything 151 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: that was like out of the ordinary from any other 152 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: season or any other person trying to get as much 153 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: time as possible. Now, again, I go back to typically, 154 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: if you're in a group setting, especially early on, the 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: guy that is going to do those type of things, 156 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: take her aside, pull her away, step into your conversations 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: is not the guy that's gonna be there at the end. 158 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: Because there's usually like he is the one that is 159 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: going to sabotage himself at some point with her, He's 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: going to become too annoying or too brass or too 161 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: just in her face, and she's gonna be like, hey, 162 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: not for me, man, like take a chill pill, Like 163 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: we're going. If you're gonna be my partner, you have 164 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: to understand the environment that I'm in and that this 165 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: is really hard. And the more time you pull me 166 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: away means the less time I got to spend trying 167 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: to figure this whole thing out, like be my partner 168 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: here and not an annoyance. So I don't know why 169 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: the guys get so upset, but they do, and they 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: take it upon him at the comedy special. 171 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: And Aaron, especially who's Noah's brother, has this weird issue 172 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: with him. Do you not think that was weird the 173 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: way that he felt towards him after this? 174 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it represented the Bennett Noah argument. If you 175 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: remember back in the day when the two of them 176 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: sat down, like especially when Aaron gave him the book. 177 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: Bennett gave Noah a book, I think it was on 178 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 3: to something, yeah, something like that, And so now it 179 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: definitely was a little corny and cheesy from my perspective, 180 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: because you could tell that the show was definitely involved 181 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: and repeating that storyline or they're trying to repeat. 182 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: This sarre But Ben, did you remember that on your own? 183 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: I think it did, actually, because. 184 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: That's a fine note. Yeah, and it's been like four years, so. 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: I'm a historian of the show. Actually, Yeah, at this 186 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: point we've done this long enough. 187 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: Good job picking up on that. That is even cornier now. 188 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: It was almost hard to watch because it was like, you, 189 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: this is this is no longer walking in in my 190 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: in like reality now. People ask you all the time 191 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: it's a show real or not? I always say, yes, 192 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: it is. It's very real. It just matters how you 193 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: go about it. That moment, to me was a little 194 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: too unrealistic, and it made me like kind of curl 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: up an embarrassment, being like why am I watching this? 196 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: Does have a massive issue with Devon. He takes it 197 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: upon himself to make sure that he is angry. 198 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: He keeps saying that he's not deep enough, that he's 199 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: not like, he's not qualified enough gentleman to be with Jen, 200 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: and to be honest, he really doesn't know him enough, 201 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: and he does call him by a different name. He 202 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: calls him Dylan, and I'm like, dude, multiple times. 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: It's not a good look. I don't think anybody's gonna 204 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: watch it and be like that's a good look. Now again. 205 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 3: I don't know if Devon's for everybody. 206 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: Believe me, Devon isn't for everyone. But Aaron's behavior towards 207 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: him was even less for me, was far less for me. 208 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, this is Courtney Thorne, Smith. 209 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: Laura Layton, and Daphnew Zanniga on July eighth, nineteen ninety two. 210 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: Apartment buildings with pool were never quite the same as 211 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: Melro's Place was introduced to the world, it took drama 212 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: and mayhem to an entirely new level. 213 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: We are going to be reliving. 214 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Every hookup, every scandal, every backstap, blackmail and explosion, and 215 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: every single wig removal together. 216 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: Secrets are revealed as we rewatch every moment with you. 217 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: Special guests from back in the. 218 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: Day will be dropping by. 219 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: You know who they are. 220 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: Sydney, Allison and Joe are back together on Still the 221 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,479 Speaker 4: Place with a trip down memory Lane. 222 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: And back to Melroe's Place. 223 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: So listen to Still the Place on the iHeartRadio, app 224 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. 225 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: Mondays are still a bitch. 226 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: It's a weird thing, Ashley. Little side note here, as 227 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: we're talking about a show where marriage or a proposal 228 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: is inevitable or at least the desired hope from the outcome, 229 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: you don't look at a partner and say, you know, 230 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: if conflict arises or there's something going on in life 231 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: where your partner is upset, you surely hope that they 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: don't handle that situation like these guys are doing it 233 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 3: right now on the show. You hope that somebody steps 234 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: into the room and be like, here's the deal. You're upset. 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: You don't like him, you know what? That's okay, Like, 236 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: I can't convince you to like him. But what we 237 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: can do is understand that the more drama and the 238 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: more argument that we have in this room right now, 239 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: and the more we spend time focusing on this, the 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: less beneficial this is for Jen and for any of 241 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: us in this room, including myself, who don't like who 242 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: doesn't like you. So let's put this aside. Let's understand 243 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: that I'm not happy with the decisions that you made, 244 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: and just know that I'm going to stand by that, 245 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: but I don't want it to interfere with this experience 246 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: that would be a response. Instead, these dudes right now 247 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: are being childish, childish towards each other, and they're representing 248 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: themselves as childish, and I think it's very unattractive and 249 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: it's it's very weird right now because we don't have 250 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: that one person that's necessarily standing out. I think Marcus 251 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: stands out. I do, but he's not. And maybe it's 252 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: just because he isn't getting into the drama. But there's 253 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: nobody just stepping up in the midst of this argument 254 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: and being like can we stop? Like what are we doing? 255 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: Like how long do we want this to go? For? 256 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: Well, chemistry wise, I still feel her with Sam. I'm 257 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: gonna Sean Booth look like Sam, but he but he 258 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: is getting into the drama as well. 259 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: He is, He's stepping a toe in the water. I 260 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 3: still just have this feeling that he's going to get 261 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: more involved in the drama than we even know right now. 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too, especially next week's episode. Okay, 263 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: the nighttime portion of the date, she is clicking with 264 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: Grant the basketball player Slash Day investor trader. Mm hmm, okay, 265 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: I mean I like him. He's cute, I mean very cute. 266 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: I get it, I get the get the deal. 267 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: She she is definitely into the guys from the start 268 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 3: that definitely kind of have the yeah, yeah, like just 269 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: kind of you know, know, how to work a room 270 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: and have a conversation and be kind of like romantic 271 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: and like sensual. Like he just kind of that. She's 272 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: into that. With the Sam and Grant, you can tell 273 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: that she likes that kind of look and vibe. 274 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: I mean the look. It's good look. 275 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 276 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: And then she likes to be asked like those questions. 277 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: I think where like we said last week, it's kind 278 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: of like pick up artists like questions. But at the 279 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: same time, yeah, it feels like it could be either 280 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: pick up artist or it can be I'm just trying 281 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: to get to know you. But it just feels a 282 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: little pickup artist Tony. 283 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little forced maybe is kind of what I 284 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: felt like. It felt really forced and it was you know, 285 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: but I get it. It's good on this show to 286 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: be intentional and to ask those questions as early as possible. 287 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: I do think there is a way to go about it. 288 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: That Grant just kind of dove in. Good for him, 289 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: not no criticism there, but he did just dive in 290 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: right away. He was like, Hey, I have two minutes 291 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: to talk to you. What's your biggest fear, what's your 292 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: biggest mistake? Tell me everything. 293 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: Me feel awkward, like, I don't think I would respond 294 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: in that way, like I want more of a playful 295 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: back and forth conversation. But I also understand that that's 296 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: the kind of questioning that she feels like appreciated by 297 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: being asked. 298 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: I think she does. I mean, it does. It always 299 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: is nice to have somebody ask about you. And in 300 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: this experience, at least when I was a bachelor, I 301 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: don't I remember people being curious about me, but it 302 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: was a lot of me being curious about them. You know, 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: you're kind of the lead here in a lot of ways, 304 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: and you're guiding conversations, and you're you're the one that 305 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: feels like you're in charge of the conversation. I'm sure 306 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: Jen feels that way very very often, and so it 307 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: is nice to kind of be set back and be like, no, 308 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: tell me about you. Who are you? 309 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, just takes the pressure off for a minute. 310 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: It does of having to be the one that's. 311 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: Carrying the conversation anyway. And then Jonathan. She also likes Jonathan, 312 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: and like I said, I thought Jonathan is pretty darn cute. 313 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: I know, it's quite the surprise after coming in in 314 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: a hospital gown and his face wrapped last week. He's 315 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: he doesn't scream like final three to me, but top 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: six ish. He's ranking up there so far. 317 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he has a legit shot at it. 318 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: He and Marcus feel very similar to me in terms 319 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: of how she feels about them. I do think there's 320 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: some longevity. 321 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like the second tier of feelings. 322 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's longevity in it, right, So they're not 323 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: the initial shock and awe, the hot and heavy, Yeah, 324 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: but it does feel like it could be two that last. 325 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: Because they're right there, we're not getting a lot of 326 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Marcus had a one on one, but 327 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: we're not getting a ton from them yet. Even though 328 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 3: Marcus had a one on one and he shared his 329 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: incredible story and what he's done for this country, I 330 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: don't feel like we he has the camera time as 331 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: others because outside of the one on one, we don't 332 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: see a lot from him we see a lot of 333 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: the arguments, we don't see a lot from Marcus. I 334 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: do think that's a sign that long term he'll be around. 335 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 5: Oh okay, so I was gonna say, you can flip 336 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 5: it and say that Marcus is the guy that she 337 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: would love to love, but may it may not be 338 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 5: there romantically. 339 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: Well off, d Wayne and see, they're definitely you know, 340 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 3: he'd be in my top four right now if we 341 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: did a top four, and we'll start here at the 342 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: end of the episode, but let's not even to the 343 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: Marcus story right away. Then he does have a one 344 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: on one. They have a really cool day where they 345 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: get to jump out of a plane. So glad that 346 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 3: did not happen on my season. 347 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Have you ever done that? 348 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: Okay no, yeah, not not something that I'm asking to do. 349 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: I thought the show had gotten away from it because. 350 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: Of the legality protocol. 351 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're obviously, you know, if they go to Australia, 352 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: maybe rules don't apply. But they do jump out of 353 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: a plane, and then at dinner they do connect at 354 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: a deeper level and Marcus does get to share his story. 355 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: I think, no matter what, it is a life story 356 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: that when you when he shares it with you, there's 357 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: a respect, there's an admiration, there's an appreciation. There's also 358 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: kind of a an understanding of who this guy is 359 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: after he shares it, Like you know, you know a 360 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: little bit more of what you're getting. You don't know 361 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: the whole picture, but you know he's loyal, he cares, 362 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: he serves, and that he's tough as nails. 363 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 364 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like kind of the quintessential guy that 365 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: you're like, that's a stand up man that you want 366 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: to find and hopefully you have chemistry with them. 367 00:18:59,560 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 368 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: He he just seems like what you just said, like 369 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: he's got a lot of heart and soul. He's going 370 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 2: to be a hard egg to crack. He did a 371 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: great job though he keeps talking about how he's not 372 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: like super vocal when it comes to emotions, but he 373 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 2: really opened up and you can tell that there's going 374 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: to be so much more to him even when when 375 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: he opens up further. And yeah, once you tell that 376 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: story about how you know, he was sent over to 377 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: Afghanistan a number of times and on his last trip 378 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: over there, he got sent back was in the hospital 379 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: for like two months. You know that like once he 380 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: opens up about that, he's going to be more comfortable 381 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: opening up about pretty much everything else. 382 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one to watch for sure. It's a great 383 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: one on one date and then moves us into the 384 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: group date. The group date is a photo shoot with 385 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: animals from Australia. I think this is awesome. 386 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: I love this group date. 387 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: This is great. It's super fun, it's easy. It's also it's. 388 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: A great watch for us, Like, it's just fun for 389 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: us to watch. I agree, and Hikeim is just I 390 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: want him to be in my top four now because 391 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: he is hilarious. He has those crazy eyes and it 392 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: makes very expressive eyes. And the dude with the spider, 393 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: like I knew that the spider was gonna come, and 394 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: the fact that of course he's like, just don't want 395 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: to be a spider, just don't wanted to be a spider. 396 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: Of course a spider. His reaction to it was just 397 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: so freaking funny. And I love him for this because 398 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: the spider would have been the one that I dread 399 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: the most. Put that big snake around my neck far 400 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: before have the spider crawl up my shoulder. 401 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are so many animals there. They were like 402 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: of course you can have a little like furry thing 403 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 3: on your hands, and then he gets a spider. It 404 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: was great television. I like that nobody took it negatively. 405 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: That everybody's like, I get a man, that thing's creepy, 406 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: Like I feel you. I don't know if I hate 407 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 3: that much, but I know that there are things that 408 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: you could put on me, like a big snake around 409 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: my neck. That'd be like, no, not my deal, don't 410 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: want this to happen. 411 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Oh but Dylan did. 412 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: He stud just actualely rocked it. Great for him. He 413 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: really showed off, showed up there in that moment. But 414 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm glad nobody took it negatively from Khakim. I'm glad 415 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: they all laughed about it. Jen almost looked like she 416 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: was judging him a little bit based on his reaction, 417 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: But once the snake came out, I think she was like, 418 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: I get it now, No, I'm good, Like we're on 419 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: the same page here. 420 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: You thought that Jen was kind of judging Hikim's reaction, right. 421 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It almost looked like she was looking at 422 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: him like, come on, dude, step up. 423 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: Exactly, And I was thinking, oh my gosh, this girl 424 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: must really not have a fear of spiders, because to me, 425 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: I would have been one cracking up and being like, 426 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: please don't do this for me, kakm, do not do 427 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: this for me? Is I don't want no idea? 428 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: Well laughed about this later. You don't have to touch it, 429 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: It's fine. But then the snake came out and she 430 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: had the same reaction, and so then I think there 431 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: was a leveled the playing field. She said, I get 432 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: it now, we're all good. 433 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: You're either afraid of spiders or afraid of. 434 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: Snakes, unless you're that guy that was passing him out. 435 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: He seemed afraid of nothing. The group date was great, 436 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 3: it was a good watch, and the cocktail party got 437 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: a little discombobulated. It got a little bit funky. Right well, 438 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: there was. 439 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: No cocktail party because Dylan went straight to the date. 440 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: It was the What I'm thinking of is when they 441 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 3: all went back. 442 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: To the hotel. 443 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: The hotel was where things got a little bit messy. 444 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: It started to fire up a little bit. The one 445 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: only time was good, but the house was We were 446 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 3: starting to get a sense of what the next few 447 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: weeks of this season probably is going to look like. 448 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: And this is where I really somebody could step up 449 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: who wasn't involved in the drama and could just say, hey, guys, 450 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: can we stop this, Like, what are we doing here? 451 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: This is all stupid. 452 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Okay, So the guys apparently convene 453 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: in the car and they say that, like, you know, 454 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm assuming they had this conversation. We're gonna ask these guys, 455 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: because we didn't have a group nighttime portion, we would 456 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: like to make clear that we would like to be 457 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: the priority at the cocktail party at the end of 458 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: the week. And that is the corniest thing ever that 459 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: makes me not like these guys. This is again protocol 460 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: on the show that you go and you know, like 461 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: sometimes group dates end up one on one day, it's 462 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: at the end of it, and then you go to 463 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: the cocktail party and you fight for yourself. You don't 464 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: have a group meeting about who's gonna have more time 465 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: or the first time at the cocktail party the next day. 466 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's what they decide to do. Go upstairs, 467 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: present this idea to the other guys that are just 468 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: sitting there waiting, and I guess, like some guys not 469 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: in the grands, and Devin is like Devin's like, yeah, 470 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: I understand, yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll make sure that you 471 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: guys have priority. But he goes, but he does say, 472 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean. First of line, it doesn't mean 473 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: that I'm going to like sit out. And then the 474 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: next day we get to that cocktail party and it 475 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: is drama because he takes her away. 476 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: First two things here, One is these guys come back 477 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: thinking they're owed this time. 478 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's gross. 479 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 3: It's always a weird thing on the show. Honestly, if 480 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: they have an issue with how this evening went for 481 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: them and that they didn't get time, you got to 482 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: take the up with Gin because Jin's the one that 483 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: decided to send you all home. She's the one that 484 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: stayed back with Dylan. She's the one that said the 485 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: rest of you goodbye, good riddance, go home, go you 486 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: do your thing. This is not the other guy's problem. 487 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 3: Don't make your problems my problems. We say it very 488 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: often here on the show. And it feels like these 489 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: guys are going to try to make their problem with 490 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: not getting time the other guy's problem, and they're all 491 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: going to get together and have this really nice moment 492 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: be like yeah, you know what, I'll support you because 493 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: why we're not friends yet, Like we don't know each 494 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: other really yet. I don't owe you anything here. And 495 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: at the same time, if you don't get your own time, 496 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: like if you haven't found out how to do that, 497 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: you're mad at Devin for pulling him away during a 498 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: group date, you could have done the same thing during 499 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 3: this photoshoot. 500 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: I know these guys from the first group date to 501 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 2: the second group date, they like want everything to do 502 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: like fair and balanced. Here it's like, well, this is 503 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: not this is a bachelorette. Well, I don't know what 504 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: kind of show you think you're on. 505 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: It's just very weird because here's the truth. These guys 506 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: are legitimately upset. They're not actors. Nobody's paying them to 507 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: get upset. These guys are somehow finding a way to 508 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: get mad at Devon, And like I always say, the 509 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: producers could be in their heads being like, aren't you 510 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 3: so upset with Devin? How stupid is it that Devon's 511 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: doing this? And these guys are like, yeah, yeah, I'm 512 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: gonna go at him. But they're not forcing them to 513 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: say a word. You have a choice here to say 514 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: something or not say something. These guys are all choosing 515 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: to say something to choosing to let this rile them 516 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: up and ruin this experience. It could be really great 517 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: for them. At this point in time on the show, 518 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: they have no reason to need to really stand out. 519 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: They just got to make it another week. There's like 520 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 3: twenty dudes there. Let those dudes sabotage themselves. Let them 521 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 3: blow the whole thing up, and then you can come 522 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: in at the end and be like, hey, by the way, Jen, 523 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: I'm still here. 524 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: They really thought that they were going to walk into 525 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: the cocktail party and be like, Okay, your turn, you 526 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: turn your turn. You're turned weird awkwards with you so weird. 527 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: So Dylan takes her or sorry, Devin takes her and yeah, yea, 528 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: was he going to look was were they gonna hate 529 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: him for this? Yes, but he did say not necessarily 530 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: giving you guys first dibbs. And then he goes up 531 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: there talks to her, and then Thomas goes marching upstairs 532 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: in one of the most embarrassing moments I've seen so 533 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: early on in the show, and he's like you, pulls 534 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 2: him aside and says, we talked about this. You're being disrespectful. 535 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: The fact that he didn't think that one pulling him 536 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: aside and spending wasting time on talking to Devin was 537 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: one gonna look bad, and two just having this confrontation 538 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: in front of Jen wasn't going to look bad. Like 539 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: what was going through his head that thought this was 540 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: the right move. 541 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 3: There's nothing that could have been going through his head 542 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: that thought this was the right move, because it wasn't. 543 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: He wasn't thinking clearly. 544 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: He was hyped on the drama, just like drinking it up. 545 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: He got very obsessed with it and then just ran 546 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 3: up to it. And then you know, if you do 547 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: this behind the scenes, sometimes Jen doesn't even find out. 548 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: Lee never even knows he needed this right in front 549 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 3: of her, Like she's very very much now, Jen's very smart, 550 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: she knows she goes. I know exactly who this guy is. 551 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 3: He is he is the disruptor. He is the guy 552 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 3: that's going to tell me at some point that somebody's 553 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: not here for the right reasons, and it's because he 554 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 3: doesn't get along with everybody and he doesn't like somebody. 555 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: So he's just pretty much telling me he doesn't like 556 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 3: this person. And then I'm gonna have to send him 557 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: home at some point. I'm going to two and one 558 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: with this guy. Send him home at some point because 559 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: that's going to be the ass. But it doesn't look 560 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: good for him from this point forward. It looks really. 561 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: Oddome, really hard to recover from this. 562 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really hard to recover from this. 563 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: It is okay any non Devin drama to talk about 564 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: during the cocktail party. 565 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: There really isn't. It kind of takes up the whole 566 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: thing right until the very end, where obviously Devin still 567 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 3: gets a rose here another week now. I don't want 568 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: anybody listen to this and think I'm in team Devin exactly. 569 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying I like the dude. 570 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying I don't get it yet, Like 571 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why this guy, out of anybody there 572 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: is the one that's upsetting some people so much. I 573 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: also want to know more about Aaron. I think Aaron's 574 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: story is not even close to being finished. I had 575 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: high expectations for Aaron because he has Noah's brother, and 576 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: he did come in probably with some insight into the show. 577 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: Yet he chooses to come onto the show fired up 578 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: from the beginning. I'm hoping that cools down a bit 579 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: because I want to like him, I want to root 580 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: for him, I want to get to know him. But 581 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: right now we're seeing none of that outside of his 582 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: arguments with Devin and even the kind of the awkwardness 583 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: with jen by kind of reintroducing himself, and she's like, 584 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: I just saw you today, Like what do you think 585 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: we do here? Like you get five minutes with me 586 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: at these first couple of weeks, Like I know you 587 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: don't make me feel bad or make me question if 588 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: you're upset that you don't know me well enough for that. 589 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: I haven't spend enough time with you. I haven't spend 590 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: enough time with anybody yet. 591 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: He makes me feel super uncomfortable. Well, watching human makes 592 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: me feel weird, well. 593 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, And the expectation is way too much 594 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 3: right now. Like if you're again, if you're going to 595 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: be a partner to Gin, one of the things you 596 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: look at as the lead at the beginning is who's 597 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: actually been a partner to me? Like, who is letting 598 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: me try to take a break, who is keeping it chill, 599 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: Who's maybe asking me some questions? So I'm not like 600 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: the only one conversing here to myself and just wonder, 601 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 3: you know, like give her some space and show her 602 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 3: that you can be a good partner. And part of 603 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 3: being a partner is understanding where they're at in life. 604 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: And right now Gin is in some chaos. She's trying 605 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: to figure out what all your names are. For goodness sake, 606 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: give her a break on if you like she spent 607 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: enough time with you or who she spent more time with. 608 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: She doesn't know anybody yet, Like, just let her chill 609 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: and then as this continues, we'll see the deeper relationships 610 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: for him. 611 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I'll give the guys a second of benefit 612 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: of the doubt, just because you know how last season 613 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: I had I didn't have to. I wanted to and 614 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: new parts of the story in which we're missing with 615 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: Sydney's storyline, and I had a lot of sympathy for 616 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: her because some things aren't, of course shown on TV. 617 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking watching this episode, was there something 618 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: missing that Devin said? Devin did that riled these guys 619 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: up so hot? 620 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: We're not seeing any of that yet. Again, as I 621 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: said last season to you, actually we only know what 622 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: we know and what we see I know, so you know, 623 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: we'll play those games of what about this and what 624 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: about that? But then that doesn't do anybody any good 625 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: because we don't know. We can make assumptions, we can guess, 626 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: but we don't know. We know what we see, and 627 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: that's who we're here to talk to is the audience 628 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: that also is watching this alongside of us. 629 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the guys that were eliminated, and there was 630 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: absolutely no Shockers in that group. 631 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: I just don't know anybody's name it this, so we 632 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: didn't know the names. Yeah, so like it does even work, 633 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: you know? For me, it's like, okay, good give in 634 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: two weeks, I'll start knowing these guys' names. I don't 635 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: know all these guys names. Yeah, I know like four 636 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: of them. That's why the top four is kind of difficult. 637 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: But we are going to do. Our top four is Ashley. 638 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: I'll start with my top four. I think a Keem 639 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: and Marcus are in the top four. 640 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: Are queen there? 641 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: Heck? Yeah, who else would I put at four? 642 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: He's my top four? 643 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I'm going to do Grant and Sam. 644 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: I do think Sam is probably going to be in 645 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: the top four the least amount of time. For me, 646 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: I just get this feeling that something's. 647 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: Going to background Sam as in sham Booth, Sam Sean 648 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: both meets Chase McNary. 649 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: Sure, great, and then Hakeem and Marcus. 650 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so I will change a little bit. I 651 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: think top four is definitely Sam, definitely Grant and Dylan 652 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: and like that, and then probably Marcus. 653 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah gotta be Marcus. 654 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that Marcus is. 655 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: The fourth fair that's okay right now? 656 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: Oh and then yeah, okay, so Dylan, Marcus, Sam and 657 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: who else? 658 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: I say, there's Grant, there's Jonathan, Grant, Grant. 659 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: I put Grant in there, and then Jonathan is my 660 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: top five. He's my like alternate's. 661 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: He's on the bench right now. Yeah, but another good 662 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 3: episode from Jin. I absolutely love her is a bachelorette. 663 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: I think she's fantastic. I think she's a catch. I 664 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: hope some of these dudes step up. I think there's 665 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: a few that definitely are. But she deserves a really 666 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: great guy, and I'm hoping she finds it from this mix. 667 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm not confident she will yet. I just I at 668 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 3: our kind of theory last week is maybe playing on 669 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: my head more than ever that she might not end 670 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: up with anybody, because I don't know if there's a 671 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: guy here yet that she likes enough, that she likes 672 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: enough well to see. 673 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: Sam, she likes enough. But it's physical, yeah. 674 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: And that comes and goes. We all get old at 675 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: some point, Ashley, I really am excited for the week 676 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: ahead for you. I hope you're not here the next 677 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: time we record, but you may be. And I'm only 678 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: hoping you're not here because I'm hoping that you're a 679 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: mother of two at that point and that you're yeah, wild, 680 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 3: you kind of take a break. I can't believe some 681 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: of the last freedom time in your life is being 682 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: spent with me on this show. But that's just how 683 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 3: much you love the listeners, and we do love you listeners. 684 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: So go out and review our podcast. Share a positive comment. 685 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: If you have a negative one, don't share it and 686 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: rate its by stars. But until next time, I've been 687 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 3: Ben be. 688 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: Love you guys. 689 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: Thank you later on. 690 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 691 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.