WEBVTT - Weird Mushrooms!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Christian Sager. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how many times, like when you're just walking around the

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<v Speaker 1>city we live in Atlanta, Like you're at a park

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<v Speaker 1>or you're just walking around, maybe with your son or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, do you see just these utterly bizarre mushrooms? Oh? Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I This is something I love about living in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the slice of Atlanta I live in,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's plenty of you know, plenty of vegetation around,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of you know, park areas, and then after a

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<v Speaker 1>rain typically so when you see these these strange fungal

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<v Speaker 1>bodies burst up out of the ground and take on weird,

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre shapes. In fact, it's something that I've I've loved

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<v Speaker 1>doing with with my son who's four now, but for

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<v Speaker 1>for years now, when we're going to the park, park

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<v Speaker 1>and all, if we see some sort of a weird mushroom,

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<v Speaker 1>like go oh, let's look at this weird mushroom and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he'll point him out. Now I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a weird mushroom over here, let's go look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and you guys try to figure out what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that you take pictures and then back home you

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<v Speaker 1>try to like match it to a database or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, you know, you just do a do

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<v Speaker 1>a search for Hey, what kind of mushroom looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a weird fallust? And uh And in fact, that mushroom

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<v Speaker 1>which frequently pops up in our in our own yard

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mulch, is one that's called mu tennis

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<v Speaker 1>caninus or dogs stink horn, because it supposedly looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a dog fallust and it smells really awful. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the worst image. I don't know what a dog

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<v Speaker 1>stink horn looks like. The media the dog lipstick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the worst. Well, yeah, because you know, I'm from

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast originally, and man, the mushrooms down here are bonkers,

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<v Speaker 1>like like, uh so some of our Facebook followers might

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<v Speaker 1>remember this, but I posted to our Facebook page maybe

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<v Speaker 1>six months ago. Took my dog to the dog park

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<v Speaker 1>and it was right after a rain like you described,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a day, and there was this totally bizarre thing

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<v Speaker 1>growing up out of the ground. Didn't even look like

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<v Speaker 1>a mushroom. It looked like the egg from Alien and

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like the egg had opened, um, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was red on the inside. And so I took a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of it, and I was like, well, who better

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<v Speaker 1>to answer what this thing is than our Facebook followers.

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<v Speaker 1>So I uploaded the picture and said, does anybody know

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<v Speaker 1>what this is? And they did. Somebody figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Devil's finger fungus, that's what it's called. And

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<v Speaker 1>like not a month later, Nurdiced did like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a feature on their site on the Devil's finger fungus

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<v Speaker 1>and how it looks exactly like a xenomorphag. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't this looks like some alien thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the dog park. I don't want my dog

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<v Speaker 1>around it. What what is this thing? You know? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was a little worried at first, but it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out it's relatively harmless. Yeah. There's another one that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what this one is called, but I

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<v Speaker 1>see it in our yards sometimes where it's it's as

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<v Speaker 1>if there is an underworld and occasionally they use cocking

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<v Speaker 1>to to fill to fill in holes between our world

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<v Speaker 1>and there, and it kind of puffs outing bubble. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, exactly which one you're talking about. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>that one before, like on the sidewalking your where I live. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>now tell me this. Uh, you're a dog owner, I'm not. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>In various neighborhood threads that I've seen about weird mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen some people react with wonder and off and

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally you know, uh uh nausea. But other people's, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>a few dog owners, are like, oh, I hate those mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>How can I get rid of them? Because there's this

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<v Speaker 1>fear and I don't know to what extent it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>founded or unfounded, but uh, they're afraid their dog is

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<v Speaker 1>going to eat the mushrooms, which of course can have

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<v Speaker 1>disastrous consequences. My wife worries about that constantly. Every day

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<v Speaker 1>when she gets home, she does a walk through the

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<v Speaker 1>yard and picks every single mushroom up that's growing in

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<v Speaker 1>the yard so that our dogs won't eat them. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of mushrooms actually, because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a really big We've been over to my place before.

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<v Speaker 1>My front yard has a really big old tree. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And our landlord is actually an arborist, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>told us, look, this tree is really old and a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, we're gonna have to take it down because,

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<v Speaker 1>like the roots are rotting. And the way you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell is because of the way that these bizarrely huge

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms are growing up all around the tree, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're fitting on the rot of the down there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because of course the fun guy and mushrooms are are

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<v Speaker 1>excellent decomposed or something. Yeah, totally that. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they get by, right. Um, And uh so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at first I was a little worried, and I said, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're the arborist. Is this cool for my

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<v Speaker 1>dogs to be around? He said it was fine, But

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<v Speaker 1>my wife still worries. So yeah, she's she always cleans

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<v Speaker 1>up that stuff. And are you talking about like next

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<v Speaker 1>door dot com or like those uh you know those

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<v Speaker 1>like message boards. This is just like a Facebook, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of that chatter on our neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Well even I live in a fairly close proximity to

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<v Speaker 1>one another, so maybe it's the same neighborhood board. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's concerned about those mushrooms. I haven't heard anything about

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<v Speaker 1>like watch out for this one. It's poisonous. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that's fascinating about Atlanta is that there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many fungal spores flying around that you get these

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<v Speaker 1>really bizarre, kind of off the wall mushrooms that you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't normally see, you know, especially in a city area. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. I mean, I don't know about you. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the mushrooms that we we're gonna talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys haven't guessed yet out there, listeners, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about weird mushrooms today. Of course, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>cover all of them by any stretch of imagination, So

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<v Speaker 1>we just picked three either specific mushrooms or sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a general type of mushroom or a type of mushroom behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna sort of have a you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>potpourri uh episode. Yeah, the none of minor poisonous. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you choose any poisonous ones? Um? I always chose the

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<v Speaker 1>death cap, which is the most poisonous one. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's varying levels of things you shouldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>with the ones that I'm going to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>but the the toxicity doesn't really factor heavily into the

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<v Speaker 1>areas I discuss. One of them is definitely not poisonous

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a it's an edible mushroom, um. The others.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of it encompasses a number of different types.

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<v Speaker 1>But but this is the kind of thing where if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys like us talking about mushrooms, we can come

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<v Speaker 1>back and do more. We can do a one speak

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<v Speaker 1>various poisonous mushrooms, be good. Well, I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>this reminded me of an episode we almost did I

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<v Speaker 1>think almost a year ago, uh to this week, which

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<v Speaker 1>was our episode about Wolfspange, and it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>aconite poisoning. UM. Reading through these descriptions of all the mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>and really I had no idea how in depth of

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<v Speaker 1>field mycology is and how precise it is. And the

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<v Speaker 1>entries for these mushrooms were very, very detailed. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>so detailed that we could do an entire episode just

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<v Speaker 1>on one species. So for these entries we really had

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<v Speaker 1>to I think boil them down to their essence. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended. We're not actually boiling the mushrooms down here,

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<v Speaker 1>but but yeah, they're they're fascinating um. And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that we we all kind of just live with.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, I mean like they're everywhere and

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<v Speaker 1>we'm at the grocery store and we eat them, but like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there there there's an endless variety of them, and they

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<v Speaker 1>all do these like very different things and have incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>complex compounds inside of them. And I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 1>only like as a as a scientific society, like on

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<v Speaker 1>the tip of understanding fungal growth. Yeah, I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there is so much diversity out there. We keep discovering

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<v Speaker 1>new species to the point where I'm I can only

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<v Speaker 1>give like a rough estimate right now, but essentially we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a hundred thousand different fungi species, and of those,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at in the neighborhood of fourteen thousand mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that is that's a number that's constantly changing.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at numbers from a few years back and

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<v Speaker 1>they were significantly less than that. So it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing world. And you know they are so because

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<v Speaker 1>they're so weird, they're so alien. It's no wonder that

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<v Speaker 1>you you can find conspiracy theorists who think they came

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<v Speaker 1>from space, especially when you see ones that look like

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<v Speaker 1>a xenomorph. Yeah, or I can I mean, going back

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<v Speaker 1>to our Wolf Spain episode, right, Like, imagine all of

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<v Speaker 1>the folklore that sprang up out of all the various

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<v Speaker 1>species of mushroom. Yeah, they're so different looking. If you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you know, have a broader scientific understanding of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't even classify them as being the same thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of my one of my favorite monsters from

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<v Speaker 1>the Dungeon and Dragon universe or the Mikon It's which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course our mushroom people, the monster science episode on them. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we did a Monster Science on the Mushrooms of Matanga,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a Tohoe horror film about this these spores

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<v Speaker 1>that turned people into walking mushrooms. It's a it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a really creepy movie, totally different vibe than most of

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<v Speaker 1>the Toho films. Well, so full disclosure, audience. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I propose that we do an episode on weird

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<v Speaker 1>weird mushrooms is I'm working on like a horror story

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<v Speaker 1>right now that the basis is about mushrooms and spores

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<v Speaker 1>and mycology, and so I was like, you know, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to know a little bit more about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be a good topic for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are Um. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to bring up before we dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the individual ones. The funky as an organism essentially has

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<v Speaker 1>a parasitic lifestyle, and that's something I think we we

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<v Speaker 1>forget about. We see our mushrooms in the grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped in plastic and we just go, oh, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people just think it's a vegetable, right, Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But they absorb soluble nutrients through sell membranes. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>they subsist and uh with together with bacteria, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>they're responsible for the decay of organic matter. Now, some

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<v Speaker 1>estimate that of the biomass on the entire planet is

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<v Speaker 1>fun Guy, that's a lot. So I mean it's worth

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<v Speaker 1>go mycologists. It's it's worth uh studying further and us

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<v Speaker 1>knowing a lot more about these, especially when you get

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<v Speaker 1>into the health benefits that we'll talk about. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>without further ado, let's go ahead and kick things off.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you have our first mushroom of the episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the one that is most well known

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<v Speaker 1>for its health benefits. It's called the Rashima mushroom. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to jump in real quick and just

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<v Speaker 1>tell everybody that on the landing page for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have a picture of each one that

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<v Speaker 1>we're discussing. So if you start wondering about it, just

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<v Speaker 1>go to stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll be able to see what each one of

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<v Speaker 1>these looks like, especially because we were show some really

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre looking The raci isn't as well known for being

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre looking, although it is kind of weird looking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>mostly known for its life extending properties. In fact, they've

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<v Speaker 1>been used medicinally for at least two thousand years because

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<v Speaker 1>they have a reputation for promoting health and longevity. Rayci,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, is the name for it in Japan. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also called the ling g mushroom in China. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>may recognize these, Uh. They're kind of a deep reddish brown.

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<v Speaker 1>They're shaped sort of like saucers. The upper surface of

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<v Speaker 1>them looks like it's lacquered when it gets wet. Um

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<v Speaker 1>And because they have this glossy look, some people call

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<v Speaker 1>them varnished conks. And I went, what's the conk? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>conk is a mushroom that has pores instead of gills.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And again I've never heard of them referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as gills before, so that's a nice creepy metaphor there

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I have to say this one kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they might be leathery human ears. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's funny is um I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever played this video game, but for but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a video game called battle Born, uh, and my wife

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<v Speaker 1>is addicted to it and I play it with her

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Anyways, so there's this guy who's a living

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<v Speaker 1>mushroom person and he his head is like a mushroom

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<v Speaker 1>cap and his head looks like a racie mushroom and

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<v Speaker 1>he's the healer in the game. So he's the one who,

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<v Speaker 1>like he blasts the other characters with mushroom spores and

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<v Speaker 1>makes them feel better. And then he can take off

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<v Speaker 1>his mushroom cap and throw it down on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and it acts as like a healing area buffer or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So I have to assume that the

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<v Speaker 1>people who made battle Born were inspired by the Racehie

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<v Speaker 1>mushroom when they came up with this character. Anyways, the

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<v Speaker 1>Racehi they grow up to be eight inches to or

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty centimeters in diameter. You usually find them in

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<v Speaker 1>temperate forests. These are moist areas sometimes in Asia, Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>South America in the US, and they typically attach themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to trees. So similar to what I was just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about with the tree in my front yard, they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>feeding off of the decay on these trees. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's the deal, why is it a weird mushroom? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually something to this life extending property thing. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just like a you know, folklore myth um. They

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<v Speaker 1>are prepared as teas or as infusions. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>get them as capsules or tinctures, and you can even

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<v Speaker 1>eat them in candy, chocolate bars, and coffee blends. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking to myself that a Racie coffee blend might

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<v Speaker 1>be good, But I don't know what a Rachie US

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<v Speaker 1>mushroom tastes like yet. Uh yeah, I guess it would

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<v Speaker 1>taste like a mushroom tea, which is is not generally

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<v Speaker 1>not that pleasant, and in my opinion, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably maybe yeah. Um. Now you see, so when I

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<v Speaker 1>went to do research on this one, you see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of advertisements or articles pop up about them, and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of new age style publications about these life extending properties, right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we are talking about traditional medicine and supplement

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<v Speaker 1>here so exactly, they used to be pretty rare, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's new cultural cultivation advances that make them more widely available. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reviews of science literature do indicate that most

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<v Speaker 1>of the medicinal claims for these mushrooms can be validated.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just talk briefly about what's the science behind them. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>research has found that because of unique compounds in these mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>they can stimulate our brain neurons, search and destroy cancer cells,

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<v Speaker 1>and prevent the development of fat cells in obese individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>So that alone is like, that's a pretty broad summaryn wow. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've done lots of studies on mice and humans.

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<v Speaker 1>But studies on mice have shown that these mushrooms may

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<v Speaker 1>also have therapeutic effects on asthma, allergies, autoimmune diseases, Alzheimer's,

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<v Speaker 1>Parkinson's diabetes, liver failure, and more. Now that it all

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<v Speaker 1>boils down to these three compounds that are in the

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<v Speaker 1>rati mushroom that give it its health be fits. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is what why I said earlier, like

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<v Speaker 1>these mushrooms are just incredibly complex in their organic matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So the three are polysaccharides. Now, these have anti aging

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<v Speaker 1>effects because they prevent abnormal blood vessel formation in our bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>They also boost immune system function. There's also triter penes

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<v Speaker 1>that protect the liver. Uh. They lower our blood pressure

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<v Speaker 1>and our cholesterol, and they prevent platelet clumping in the

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<v Speaker 1>blood that leads to heart attacks or strokes. They also

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<v Speaker 1>fight allergic responses that are triggered by histamines and indicate

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<v Speaker 1>anti cancer activity. Now, the last compound is called the

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<v Speaker 1>ganoderma lucidum peptide. We've got a lot of latin in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode because mycology really loves its latin. Now, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a protein that has strong antioxidant characteristics that are still

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<v Speaker 1>being studied. So there's a lot going on here with

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<v Speaker 1>this raci mushroom. Uh. There's other studies that indicate that

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<v Speaker 1>it can reduce the size and growth rate of tumors,

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<v Speaker 1>both in human and animal trials. UH, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it's most dramatic in cases of colorectal cancer. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to qualify that statement with there are other

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<v Speaker 1>studies that dispute the use of these mushrooms for treating cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's kind of up in the air right

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<v Speaker 1>now and it requires more research. But some oncologists have

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that the mushrooms antioxidant properties may actually interfere with

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<v Speaker 1>chemotherapy drugs. So yes, it may have anti cancer properties,

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<v Speaker 1>but it may also interfere with other therapy for cancer. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>these mushrooms are like a mini first aid kit, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like they're just this great thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>should take every day, you know, although there's and and

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<v Speaker 1>forth noting you were not in the pocket of big

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<v Speaker 1>fungutions no big right, she does not support the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I haven't done an ad read yet

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode. Maybe it's there was a race dot

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<v Speaker 1>com And I do have to admit that when I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing research for this, I saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sites that were like, Hey, buy your raciot supplements here,

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<v Speaker 1>get um, get the tease, get the chocolate bars, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's totally a business that thrives around this. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is some science to it. Well, actually a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of science to it. So what do you have? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my first one here is not not a specific mushroom,

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<v Speaker 1>though I will mention a couple of different specific ones

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<v Speaker 1>as we go. But discussing the topic of of bioluminescent mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so um, I'm sure everyone's quite well acquainted

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<v Speaker 1>with the mushrooms elevated status in the iconography of stone

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<v Speaker 1>or black light post Um. I'm thinking of like every

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<v Speaker 1>you know metal fan, every sleep metal album poster has

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<v Speaker 1>like mushrooms at the bottom of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of engage in in that kind of iconography

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. It's too often see it's it's either the

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<v Speaker 1>caterpillar from the house in Wonderland a top of mushroom,

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<v Speaker 1>or I've seen like bong smoking wizards with mushrooms. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen aliens, gray aliens into chikis with mushrooms. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course they all glow when you have the black

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<v Speaker 1>light on it. But but there are of course actual

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms out there, and actual uh beyond mushrooms, just fung

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<v Speaker 1>gui that are bioluminescent, uh, and we keep discovering more

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Uh. Now there are there are a rarity

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<v Speaker 1>within just the overall fungal population, with only about its

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<v Speaker 1>seventy plus species. Out of again the hundred thousand fungi species,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen thousand odd mushroom species and they admit like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours a day, but they're only gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to really observe them at night. Now. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>more common species here include the jack o lantern mushroom

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<v Speaker 1>or um omphilatus, which will find in North America, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the honey mushroom. And they've belonged to two

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<v Speaker 1>separate lineages here. There's another there's another one that made

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds a few years back called my Sinna chloroffice

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<v Speaker 1>and that's another glowing um mushroom, specifically a mushroom in

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<v Speaker 1>that case. So three quarters of the glowing mushrooms belong

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mycena genus uh and a group of mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a group of mushrooms that decomposed organic

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<v Speaker 1>matter to feed themselves, like like like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun guys, we've discussed um. So I know you and

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<v Speaker 1>I share in common that we're both playing Fallout for.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you've gotten to the point yet where you

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<v Speaker 1>find the glowing mushrooms. Yeah, they're popping up everywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're I mean, I guess like in the premise

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<v Speaker 1>of Fallout For it's probably because of radiation that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the glowing feral ghouls. Yeah, yeah, but no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you find plenty of glowing fun guy, um without nuclear fallout,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah. Um. They even use them in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at one point as like there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>community that uses them as the lights in their underground community,

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<v Speaker 1>like they have the mushrooms and like lanterns. Yeah, I think, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it the children of the Atom do? That's it?

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<v Speaker 1>And and I'm I'm actually running a Dungeons and Dragons

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<v Speaker 1>campaign right now. It takes place in the under dark.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of five luminescent mushrooms and that

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<v Speaker 1>because you gotta you know, you might have everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the party with dark vision, but otherwise you need to

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<v Speaker 1>have a little light for people to see some light visions.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, oh, well, there's some luminescent mushroom right here. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of glow are we talking about? Generally it's

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<v Speaker 1>a yellowish greenish light with wavelength of five nanometers. Not

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<v Speaker 1>all of the parts of the mushrooms necessarily glow, and

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<v Speaker 1>some species it's only the cap for the gills. In

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<v Speaker 1>others it's the stem, and some species the mushrooms don't

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<v Speaker 1>really glow. At all. But it's the fine thread like

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<v Speaker 1>filaments the mycelium from which the mushrooms developed that grows

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<v Speaker 1>brightly and specifically, we're talking about a lucifer in lucifories

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<v Speaker 1>mediated reaction here. Now, basically what we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 1>these are light emitting compounds that you can find in

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<v Speaker 1>many creatures like fireflies. Of course they're named sort of

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<v Speaker 1>named after lucifer, which means a shining one or light bearer.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense because most people find them underground. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>with the devil. But but yeah, so this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a common bioluminescent property, and so that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>it hard here. It's nothing strange and alien and out

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<v Speaker 1>of keeping with other glowing creatures. Now, according to San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco State University biology professor Dennis de Jardine, luminescent species

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<v Speaker 1>of fun Guy come for about sixteen different lineages, which

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that luminescence evolved at a single point and some

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<v Speaker 1>species later lost the ability to close. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>a single early origin of fungal luminescets. Okay, so why

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<v Speaker 1>but what, like why would a mushroom evolve to glow

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with? Like what evolutionary advantage is there to that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's interesting. There a number of mysteries still remain. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>De Jardine believes that some fun guy probably glow in

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<v Speaker 1>order to attract nocturnal animals, and these animals then you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's dark, they're glowing, the animals come over to

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<v Speaker 1>see what the glowing is about, and then they end

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<v Speaker 1>up helping to disperse the spores um and therefore the species.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is especially adaptive and closed canopy forest because

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<v Speaker 1>there's you're not gonna have winds blown through their you know,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy breezes to to to distribute the spores. Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned here on stuff to blow your mind. Like

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<v Speaker 1>any good parasite, they have an absolutely bizarre way of

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<v Speaker 1>reproducing that are complicated, I should say, rather than bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that sounds like totally in line with what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about other parasites. Yeah. Now, another theory is

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<v Speaker 1>that in some cases they glow to attract the predators

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<v Speaker 1>of insects they eat the mushrooms, so it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an offensive mechanism. And then in other cases we just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like we're continually finding new bioluminocent mushrooms, and

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<v Speaker 1>some of them may have a different game in play. Yeah, huh, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm now, I'm like really curious if you can

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<v Speaker 1>really light up a room bioluminescent mushrooms in a lantern.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not, it'ld still be pretty gloomy. Well, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be like tracking like a goth nightclub, but probably not

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<v Speaker 1>in office space. It would have it would be the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of situation as trying to fill a lantern

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<v Speaker 1>with lightning bugs and light your way, or or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the original Riddick movie, like bioluminescent grubs. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a quick break, but when we get back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the puff ball mushroom. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Now. This one is This one is the

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<v Speaker 1>phone because I have a lot of fond memories of

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<v Speaker 1>this because when I was a when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in boy Scouts, and it seemed like we

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<v Speaker 1>were always having our scout trips out to this area.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a bunch of cows. So there was something

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<v Speaker 1>about the puff balls were always growing up around the

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<v Speaker 1>cows because of the manure. I don't know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, so I certainly know that some mushrooms and

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<v Speaker 1>including psychedelic mushrooms, depend on comedy or and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>you go to find them. But in this case, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. They're just growing in the same fields

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<v Speaker 1>with them. And so everyone got a big kick out

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<v Speaker 1>of stepping on the puff balls and or stepping on

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<v Speaker 1>the dried cow patties. Right, Because the spores puff out,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they're called called puff balls. I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>were called puffballs because they looked like these little puffy clouds.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's when they grow up there. Actually, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say of the mushrooms we're talking about today, these are

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<v Speaker 1>probably the ones that people are most visually familiar with. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They do kind of look like the mushrooms that we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the just generic mushrooms that you buy at

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store and at to your salad or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're sort of like a bigger, mutated version of them. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, like I said, they're called puffballs not because

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<v Speaker 1>of how they look, but because the spores puff out

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of them in a cloud when they're hit, even by

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 1>falling rain drops. That's nuts to me. Any kind of

0:24:54.200 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>impact amidst these spores. So again reproduction. Uh, they're found worldwide,

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but when they desiccate, they release their spores when they're agitated,

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:10.159
<v Speaker 1>and only one puffball species can produce psychoactive affection. Might

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>be wondering why I'm bringing that up, Well, it's important

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to a case study that I'm gonna bring up in

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit here. Um, there are a lot of

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>different varieties of puffball mushrooms. They all belong in the

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Bassie dio micada division, and they all have the following

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>characteristics in common. They do not grow an open cap

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>with the spore bearing gills, so that's why they have

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>to you know, emit their spores when they're when they're agitated. Instead,

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the spores are grown internally and the mushroom develops an

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>aperture or it splits open to release the spores outward.

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Puffballs are a variety of sizes. Some can be as

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 1>small as a marble, and others can be as big

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>as a basketball. I saw a picture of a guy

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 1>holding one that was as big as a basketball, and

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I was I was kind of shocked by that. Um.

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>But they're white and round. They look a lot like

0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>what you think mushrooms look like. Sometimes they're smooth than

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>other times. They have large wartz or or even like

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 1>little spikes on their surface, and there's very little stems,

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 1>so they're pretty close to the ground. The term puff

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>ball refers to three genera of fungi Calvadia, calbo vista,

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and leco perdon. Now leco pernn is the one that

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>I really want to focus on today. Um, but really

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>make sure so for instance, like if you're out there,

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>like Robert, you just said you saw them when you

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>were you know, going to look at cows and stuff

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like that, Right, So some people go and forage for

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>puffballs and they you know, by all accounts it's it's edible.

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.959
<v Speaker 1>And uh we did actually an episode here at How

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works about foraging in the woods for various foods.

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna leave you with this disclaimer, like

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 1>you should really make sure you know exactly what kind

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of mushroom you're picking before you just go out into

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the woods and grab a mushroom and throw it into

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a salad or pop it in your mouth. I don't

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>don't go picking odd mushrooms based on anything we've told

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you here. If you're gonna engage in that, and make

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>sure you are following the footsteps of a true expert.

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why, especially with puffballs, is because you

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>can get quite sick even from just breathing in their spores.

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>So this is the main mushroom that's responsible for something

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>called lycoperdonosis. This is a really rare respiratory illness that's

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>caused by inhaling mushroom spores. And this is the case

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>study that I wanted to mention to you. Uh In

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>eight teenagers in southeastern Wisconsin had inhaled and chewed the

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>spores of puffball mushrooms at a party. Now, according to

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the study that I read, there were no other illicit

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>drugs that were found at this party. But it's hard

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>for me to believe that these kids weren't eating these

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>mushrooms because they thought they would have some psychoactive properties.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why I mentioned earlier there's only one of these

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that has any kind of properties like that. Three of

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>these people reported nausea within six to thirteen hours. Within

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>three to seven days, all of the patients had a cough, fever,

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>shortness of breath, muscle pain, and fatigue. Five of them

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>were hospitalized too, had to be intovated. They had to

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have a tube put down their throat. Three had to

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.959
<v Speaker 1>undergo various kinds of lung biopsies to figure out what

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>was going on with them. This revealed that their lungs

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.959
<v Speaker 1>were inflamed and they had formed yeast like structures in

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>between the flesh of their lungs that were like mushroom spores,

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>but there were no fungal cultures found in their lungs.

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>The spores got in there and and either replicated or

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>just we're clogging up their lungs or something. It really

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't make them feel well. Uh so, I really want

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to warn you about this. This is like, this is

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a species that seems harmless, we see it all the time,

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and yet like it can make people quite sick. The

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.959
<v Speaker 1>other hand, this is very rare. Um. The people were

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>given cotocosteroids, they got better. Four of them received antifungal

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>therapy with rugs. All of them recovered between a week

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and a month. But despite this, there isn't a lot

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of evidence for what in the literature was referred to

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>as the efficacy of using anti fungal agents to treat

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this disease. When you breathe in these spores, they don't

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>know if it really works. No. And in fact, there

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>other than this, there's only been three other recorded cases

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>of this, so two of them were in children in

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>one and an adolescent. And remember these these were teenagers,

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>so it seems to be something that affects younger people more.

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to point out to like, yes,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm focusing in on the puff ball here because

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it has these rare cases of this disease, right, and

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they make people quite ill. But in general, the spores

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>of mushrooms may contain microtoxins. Okay, uh, there are several

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>diseases that are associated with inhaling fungal spores, including toxic numonitis, hypersensity, pneumonitis, tremors,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>chronic fatigue, syndrome, kidney failure, and even cancer. So you know,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>before again, before you got into the woods and you

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>just start picking up mushrooms and breathing them in or

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>chopping them up and putting them in a salad, you

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>really want to make sure you know what you're getting. UM.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Make sure you've either got an expert with you or

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you're consulting a book or something like that. Um.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, just consider fungi have a parasitic lifestyle.

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, so imagine this, like you breathe in

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.719
<v Speaker 1>their spores. Of course, when they get inside your lungs,

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>their cell membranes are going to start absorbing nutrients through

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>your lungs. So, yeah, they've ended up in the wrong place,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean they're They're not gonna attempt to

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>carry out their basic program. Yeah, absolutely so. Puff Ball,

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a cool, weird kind of It reminds me of

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>jiggly Puff the Pokemon. I have to imagine that that

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Pokemon was probably a designed after the puff Ball. But

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's a cute, little weird mushroom. But you

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to necessarily inhale those spores. Right. Well, if

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you're wonderable, what what mushrooms can I eat? Well, the

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>one I'm going to talk about you can definitely eat.

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Um It is the edible oyster mushroom or Plerotis austriatis.

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And this, uh, I mean, I think I'm a lot

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>most of us have had this before. Oysterroom mushroom. You'll

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>typically find it in various stir fries. It's delicious. But

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the really cool thing about it, and what I'm gonna

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about here is that this is essentially a carnivorous mushroom.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So before it ends up on your your grocery store shelf,

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it's out there eating things. Now, I mean, obviously we

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>eat things that eat other things, unless you're just eating

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>straight up you know, plants that are absorbing um solar radiation.

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>But but the thing here is that you don't necessarily

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>think about what the mushrooms are consuming, and you don't think, oh,

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>they are essentially catching and consuming live nematodes and or spiders. Yeah,

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>so there's UM so when you eat them, you're getting

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of spider well you know, I mean yeah,

0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it kind of comes back around to

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.719
<v Speaker 1>when you eat your food, how how far back are

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>you're going to try and trace the heritage of your

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>your nutrients? Um? You know it's gonna go to something

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>dead at some point, right, But this isn't like, UM,

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of the fig wasp, which you and I

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>have both research before, you know, which which ends up

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>in most figs that you eat. But of course insects

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>wind up in most foods of the eat. So what

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>can you do UM in this particular case, though essentially

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that the mushrooms will eat these nematodes

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>or these spiders. Uh. Probably is a way to supplement

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>low levels of nitrogen available available in the wood because

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>they tend to grow on like the size of trees

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and stuff they have that you know, they look like

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>a little oysters, like little like like a little overhangs

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>that you know, yeah, no, might hang under to get

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>away from the from the rain the radio. Yeah, I

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. So according to

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>a two thousand fifteen study from ARC Imaging Center at

0:32:54.920 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Monash University and Brickbeck College published in Plos Biology, the

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>shrooms employ special membrane attack complex paraffin like proteins or

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>m A CPF proteins to punch holes in the cells

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of its prey. And what's crazy here is this is

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the very tactic the human immune cells us against bacterial invaders. So,

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>like I'm trying to imagine this, So a spider crawls

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>across this and these these cells start poking tiny little

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>holes through it. Well, the better examples probably with it

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>with the nematodes um and and there's actually a whole

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>classification of nemoto phagees fun guy, And this covers nematode

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>eating fungi in general. Uh. They often use um my

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>cilial trap structures or spores to trap the nematodes, or

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>they use special branching structures known as hypel tips to

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>attack nematode eggs and cysts. Uh. So the yeah, they're

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>actively engaging in I've seen some write ups even go

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>so far as to say they're they're hunting and killing nematodes,

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>they're hunting and killing spiders and in some cases as well. Uh.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's and it goes beyond just like near grotesque

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>curiosity here because their potential medical applications here, learning how

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to to damp in immune response and people with autoimmune disease,

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>stopping listeria escaping our immune cells, and preventing malaria from

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>infecting the liver. Those are just a few possible um

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>treasures we can unlock with the fungal key here. Yeah,

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>it seems like the m A CPF that you you

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, those proteins, the functionality of those can sort

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of be reverse engineered for our benefit. Yeah, that's the

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the hope that the researchers have. But even if

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>we never get there it is. It is fascinating to

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>think that this this mushroom that we love is essentially

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>feeding itself in part on nematodes, which nobody really wants

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to think about the role of nematodes uh in their diets.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>But of course there are other animals that eat nematodes

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. What can you do some people? Maybe this

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>next mushroom is the one that I have the hardest

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>time looking at pictures of. And so we mentioned earlier

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have pictures of all of these on stuff

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to blow your mind dot com. You should definitely go

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>look at what this time looks beautifully bizarre. Yeah, they're

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>called the bleeding tooth mushroom, uh. And the reason why

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>is because, well, it basically looks like a white mushroom

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>that is bleeding all over the place. It has little droplets.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Basically that's a younger specimens of this mushroom they quote

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>bleed a bright red juice. And here's the crazy thing.

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>That juice has anticoagulant properties. Now, the blood itself, it's

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>not actual blood, uh, isn't because the mushrooms damaged. That's

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>just what it really looks like. It's a it's a

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>red sap that emerges from this mushroom because of high

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>root pressure. When they get older, the pressure eases and

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the fungus turns brown own. But they're about three to

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>eight centimeters in diameter summer round but more often not

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>their oval or maybe multi lobed. They're white or pale pink.

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>They become deeper pink and then brown as they did decay.

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean it basically looks like, uh, it's

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the stigmata of mushrooms. Like it's a it's a mushroom.

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a kind of bizarrely shaped mushroom too. It's

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>a little pinkish, a little whitish, but there's just little

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>dots of what looks like blood coming out of this thing,

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes so much so that it drips down the side

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of these mushrooms. They're just utterly creepy looking. Yeah, the

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>thing they really remind me of if we have any

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Mystery Science Theater three thousand fans out there. Uh, there

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>was a film, a nine film titled Attack of VV

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Eye Creatures that had two vs in the title and

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that one. Yeah, it's wonderfully bad film and it it

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>involves a number of these shambling eye creatures and they

0:36:55.239 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>look like bleeding tooth mushrooms. Okay, okay, yeah, they're real weird. Um.

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 1>They were first described by an American mycologist in nineteen twelve.

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>His name was Howard James Banker, and they are found

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>in North America, Europe, Iran, in Korea. In Britain, it's

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 1>mainly known as a woodland mushroom, so they mostly grow

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>near coniferous trees. Um. They're not poisonous, despite how bizarre

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>they look. Yeah, it looks like the last mushroom you

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>would yeah. Well, okay, so one of the nicknames that

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it has, especially in Britain is strawberries and cream. Well,

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the last thing that I would call it. It

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't at all look appetizing. Um. There's another nickname for

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>it is devil's tooth um. But yeah, they're not poisonous,

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>but they are pretty bitter. They have an accumulation of

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 1>an element called c c M one seven in them,

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't make them very pleasant to eat. Their formal

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>name is hyddenell um. Again, here we are with the Latin.

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I can get this hydenylum pecky

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I believe is what it is is, but so yeah,

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>they go by a number of names. That's the formal name,

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Devil's Tooth, Strawberries and Cream, or bleeding tooth. Now here's

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing. Remember I said it had anticoagulant properties in it,

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 1>So this blood the same blood. It actually has something

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>in it called atromanan which is an effective anti coagulation

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that's similar to heperin. It is anti bacterial against strepto

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>coxus pneumonia. That this is the main bacteria that causes

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>pneumonia and people. Uh. And you can even use this

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff to stimulate smooth muscles. I don't know what that means,

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>but it was in the literature, and it causes apoptosis

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 1>in certain leukemia cells, which we were We've talked about

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>apoptosis before when we've mentioned m D M A on

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 1>the show before. So M D M A also has

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a poptosis properties, but this is specific to leukemia. It

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>might be a way to treat it. All these properties

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.919
<v Speaker 1>were discover it in nineteen sixty five by a team

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of researchers published in the Journal of Pharmaceutical Science. So

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>we've known for a while now that it has these

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>anticoagulant properties. To it. The other thing that it made

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>me think of was when we've talked about bats before

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on the show and how their saliva has anti coagulant

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>properties in't it. I know. I love how that sixty

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>five article that you reference here it includes mentioned of

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>heiden Ellum diabolus. Yeah, so is that I'm wondering, is

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that's another species of it that is diabolic in nature,

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>or maybe that was an earlier term for it, or yeah,

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe that was what its name was earlier. So from

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>what I remember loosely from the notes was that hyden

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Ellum Pecky was named as such because there was a guy,

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>a well known mycologist with the last name peck Uh,

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and this it was like sort of like an honor

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to him by naming it after him. But I wonder

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>if maybe diabolus was what its name was first, or

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's different difference between the devil's tooth and the

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>bleeding tooth, like are the same species but different genera.

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about that that that is a good

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 1>point that it has a different name in there, but

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe they all have that same anticoagon kind of

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>seeping blood property to them. So yeah, if you see

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 1>one of these. I mean, you could pop it in

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>your mouth. It's gonna taste pretty gross, but it's not.

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>But absolutely do not pop it in your mouth. Do

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>not pop any mushrooms in your mouth. Because you heard

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.320
<v Speaker 1>us talking about the Yeah that too. Uh no, So

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 1>speaking of the devil, we're gonna get to our our

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>last selection here and again with me. This is not

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a specific mushroom, but a type of behavior, if you will,

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:44.359
<v Speaker 1>manifestation that you see with with mushrooms and fun guy,

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and that is the fairy ring. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>There's lots of folklore that pops up out of the ferry. Yeah,

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and it shows up a gosh. It's in Shakespeare, right,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.479
<v Speaker 1>and it's in Dungeons and Dragons. It's basically cultures around

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the world most important literally area achievements of human kind.

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare douches. Yeah, you's encountered in cultures around the world

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>because essentially what we're taught, fairy rings essentially just means

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>strange circles on the ground or in the ground that

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>you find in nature. And uh, we've the causes we

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>attribute fairies dancing around and around on the spot, or

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.720
<v Speaker 1>perhaps it's witches or devils. Hey, maybe it's a ufo.

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>If you're using a modern interpretation of it, it's whatever,

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever the attributed supernatural cause. However, the basic idea is

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that some unseen force is causing the circle to manifest.

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, have you ever seen is it

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>pronounced haxon? I always get the pronunciation room because the

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>old devil worshiping hasn't whom loud over the a. Is

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it hawks in? I'm not sure what the proper pronunciation

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is of it, but yeah, it's it's this old documentary

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>about sort of the folklore around witches. Yeah, I've never

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>watched it in in full, but it has some wonderful

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 1>images in it. Yeah, I want to say that fairy

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>rings show up in that, but I might be wrong.

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>But but but because of the reasons you just meant,

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>because of the idea that which is did like rituals,

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that they danced around the ferry ring right now, Absolutely

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>no fairy rings are caused by fairies or aliens or

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 1>the devil or the devil. Sorry, but that's the truth. Um,

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But there there are accounts of fairy rings that are

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that are not trum related, not directly funk related. So

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I ran across one, for instance, from Nambia, and there

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>apparently fairy rings here that are caused by termite constructed

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>water traps. Uh. But other instances of fairy rings are

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely tied to fungal activity and and not the dancing

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>micons that you encounter in Disney's Fantasium. So there are

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 1>essentially two varieties of fungal fairy rings. Then the first

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>is more mysterious, and I don't think I've ever seen

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>one of these in person. But this is just a

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>circle of dark green grass in a lawn or meadow, okay,

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>and with surrounding grass it's somewhat lighter. The culprit here

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>is subsurface fungal mycelia that caused the darker color due

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to increased nitrogen produced by the fungus. Interesting, and you

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 1>also find other fun guy that caused in a chronic

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:15.479
<v Speaker 1>ring of dead vegetation due to nitrogen depletion right, which

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you know again back to the parasitic aspect of Guy. Right,

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>And the massilia is just kind of threading through underneath

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the grass. So you can imagine where you look at this,

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you're like, why is this grass screen or why is

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 1>this grass dead or it must be some sort of

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>supernatural force. Um. And then of course there's the more

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 1>overt form, and that's where you have actual surface mushrooms,

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>identifiable mushrooms that are lined up more or less in

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a rough surface. You know what I just realized is, uh,

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>in my head, fairy rings combined two of the mushrooms

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you've mentioned today, the fairy rings and then the phosphorescent mushrooms.

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.319
<v Speaker 1>But I guess they don't necessarily right, they don't glow.

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I did not in my research. I did not run

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 1>across a species of mushroom that was both. But but

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure it's it's possible, as you'll see when

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I describe you know, what exactly is going on here.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>So in either case, whether we're talking about subservice mushrooms

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>surface mushrooms, uh, the cause of the circle has nothing

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to do with fairy kingdom and everything to do with

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 1>spore dispersal. So this is this is a fabulous model here.

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So you can start with a single spore, al right,

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it lands in a field, and then it grows, Okay,

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it eventually produces a mushroom, or at least it reaches

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>this as adult form, and then it spreads out more spores. Uh.

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>And then this causes the growing colony to spread only

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>outward since the inner circle uh is the territory that

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it's ravaged. Okay, this is a there's no more nutrients there,

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>so it can only spread out. So it's kind of

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>like theoretically the circle is going to get larger. Yes,

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the circle gets larger and larger, and the inside of

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the circle is depleted of the nutrients. That it doesn't

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>mean that the grass is all dead. It just means

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 1>that there's nothing else. Yeah, nothing else that the to

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>this particular fun guy can feed off of. So the

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.240
<v Speaker 1>circle continues to grow and grow and uh. And sometimes

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>there are additional circles so you'll actually get uh, you know,

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like figure eights and whatnot. Yeah, I was thinking, like,

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there's like a ven diagram one out

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>there somewhere maybe. But I love this because wonders of nature.

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>But I love this one because it makes me think of, say,

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>what have you had a like a sci fi or

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 1>fantasy scenario with say, say zombies or vampires, you know,

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>whatever your your breed of destructive monster that reproduces rapidly

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>might be. You can have a similar scenario where it

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>starts at one point and then it begins to spread outward,

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's spreading as a as a ring because it

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>has to feed and it cannot continue to survive in

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>the area that it has ravished. That would all right,

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>producers of the new movie Rings that's coming out, I

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:51.800
<v Speaker 1>think pretty soon. Right, They didn't pay us to say this,

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>but that would be a good spin on that mythos.

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>The idea of the girl across on the television and

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>kills me her ring forms in like an actual geographic

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>area as she kills everybody around, only people in that

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 1>ring like area can watch the video and it grows

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.879
<v Speaker 1>further and further, or you know what show it would

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>It would work really well on a strain. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>It reminds me a lot two of these creatures known

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>as the shrunk in Um in our Scott Baker's books,

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>because these are these are kind of the Orcs of

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 1>his world, except there there seemed to be just they're

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>particularly bred, particularly created to just ravage the land and

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>so I get a mad and they bread rapidly, So

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>they would be a good model for this, Like they're

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>in one area and then they spread outward in this

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in this Ring of desolation. You know, I like to

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.800
<v Speaker 1>think that I'm there's still obviously a lot for me

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to read, But I like to think that I've read

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of horror, and I think you have to.

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>And I can't really think of a ton of mushroom

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>based horror. And yet it seems to me that there's

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>something fun mentally creepy. You have mushrooms and just have

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>their formations are just their life process in general. Off

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the top of my head, I cannot think of a

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>good one. Maybe I'll think of one after we go

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>off off offline here. Maybe you out there have one.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You're you're screaming at your podcast right now and saying,

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Robert Christian, what you forgot about whatever? I mean? Well,

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the most obvious one is that just the fun guy

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>from you go with that believe that Themigo and Lovecraft

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.879
<v Speaker 1>stories are technically funguses, right, Okay, But but but that's

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 1>the only example that's instantly coming to mind. So there

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 1>may be some other great ones out there. Yeah, maybe

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>there are alright. Well, on that note, we're gonna go

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>ahead and close it out here again. We can only

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 1>discuss a few different mushrooms a few different types of

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>of mushroom behavior, if you will. So, if you have

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>some other amazing mycological specimens that you would like us

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 1>to discuss, let us know. Especially if you're a mycologist,

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear from you. I'd be really curious

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>what your favorites are that and like, what what's the

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>daily life of a mycologists? Like it just sounds it

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 1>sounds charming to kind of go around and identify mushrooms

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and examine them and write about them and with lots

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.239
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0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.279
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0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.400
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0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.000
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0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.279
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0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:42.840
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0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.000
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0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.600
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0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.040
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