1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bill's Light, a flame throwing version of 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: our daily show One Bills Live, where we delve into 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: different kinds of Bill's discussion and do it in about 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: forty minutes. Coming up, how much should key Bills players 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: participate in the preseason if at all? Steve gets quizzed 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: on Bills looking starters in the numbers game. Josh Allen's 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: offseason quarterback coach, Jordan Palmer joins us, and we asked 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the question, should we be concerned blow the whistle at 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: a Steve tester who has been all over the fields? 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Kind of unique? He was kind of a dual role 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: players for you, Steve, Steve a blimp, We're not even 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: in the stratedere of normalcy. Thanks for joining us here 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: in our alternate discussion space on the Bills. One Bills liked. 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Chris Brown and Steve yar with you. So the NFL 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: preseason has already begun, but the Hall of Fame game 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: between the Cowboys and Steelers and we'll get rolling for 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: the rest of the league this coming week. Much of 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: the discussion concerning the Bills with respect to the preseason 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: is should establish stars and key components of Buffalo's success 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: last year. Even take the field in the preseason. This year, 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: we're talking players like Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders, Tremaine Edmonds, Tradevious White, etc. Etc. What do 23 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, they need some reps, not many. If 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: I think the fear of getting these guys hurt is 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: a I don't want to say overblown because it's always 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: a risk, but it's worth the risk to get these 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: guys some reps. They've got to practice. Listen, we're paying 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: them to play football. They're gonna play seventeen games of football. 29 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: A couple of extra series in prese and games is 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: not going to make that big a difference. These guys 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: are coming off the field, they're fresh and as healthy 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: as they're going to be all season. Let them go 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: out and play and get there, get the rust off 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: their joints and let them get a feel for what 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: you can go live in practice, but it's never live 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: in practice. Yeah, let them go with some evil intent 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: and see what it's like. I think you need to 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: snap back into that. It doesn't take much, but they 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: do need to play a little bit. The risk reward 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: in this case, I think it lands on the side 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: of the risk, right. I'm reminded of what Micah Hyde 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: told us about Week three or Week four last season, when, 43 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: as we remember, there was no preseason and Micah Hyde said, 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: we basically went from not tackling anybody for nine months 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: to full scale regular season football, and to a man, 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: all thirty two defenses had a problem with that. It 47 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: was an issue. Scoring was at an all time high 48 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: like we have never seen before in the month of September, 49 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: and it was because there was no preseason acclamation period 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: for starters, backups are third stringers to even remember how 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: to tackle at full speed until they were on a 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: regular season field and the games counted. So I agree 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: with you, Steve. I think there is a measure of 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: reacclamation to the speed of what is close to regular 55 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: season football. One of the thing they get to be 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: reminded of is the officiating. The game's gonna stop. You're 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: gonna get called for that in the game. You're gonna 58 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: get called for this in the game. You need to 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: get your mind around how the officials are going to 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: call the game. You remember what you can get away 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: with and what you can't get away with. What the 62 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: new rules are and every year they tinker with the 63 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: interpretation of what they're gonna call and what they're gonna 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: let go. You've got to get acclimated that otherwise you 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: have a rash of injuries in the first month of 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the season. It could hamper your effectiveness on offense, hamper 67 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: your development, all of that stuff. So your top guys 68 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: need to get remember what it's like when the officials 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder. And that's one more aspect as 70 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: to why you need some live reps. Yeah, and taking 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: it a step further because you know, I mentioned how 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: it affected defensive players on the offensive side of the ball. 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Knowing how much Brian Dable tinkers with the offense and 74 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: trying new plays this and that, this is the perfect 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: time to maybe do that here or there. And actually 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to play your hand in the preseason, 77 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: but there might be some things they want to test 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: against a defense that doesn't know everything that they do, 79 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: like the one they face in practice every day, and 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: see what kind of space this route concept might create 81 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: on the backside, or you know what I mean, little 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: things like that. There are experimental avenues that coaches want 83 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: to go down with their offensive players. In the preseason. 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: First and foremost, it's about watching a player go live 85 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: against another NFL player and see how he how does 86 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: he handle himself? How does our friends, how does Greg Rousseau, 87 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: how do boogie bash him? Aj Epeneza? How do those 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: young guys match up against the number one offensive line 89 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: of the Detroit Lions. What they look like, can they 90 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: handle it um? And then also, like like you said, 91 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: there's some tinkering going on with concepts, but mostly and 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: I think it's evolved away from it used to be 93 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: strictly evaluation for the players because your offense was what 94 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: it was. You ran this offense. This is a bit. 95 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: This is the Buffalo bill offense, is the Detroit Lion offense, 96 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: this is Chicago Beart offense. We're gonna run this offense, 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: and people kind of get it now. It's not that now, 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: it's all right, we're gonna we're gonna attack your defense 99 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: where it hurts most every play, and we intend to 100 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: not look the same in week four, exactly four, week six, 101 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: or maybe even in the third quarter. So they're so 102 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: they're sprinkling in some stuff. And I remember this vividly. 103 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: You'd get out there because there's so many guys in 104 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: camp and you're taking it. There's a lot of reps 105 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: going on, but you know, Josh Allen, Steph Diggs are 106 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: taking a lot of reps all the way down the line, 107 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: like Isaiah Hodges. Those guys they're not getting might got 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: to get as many reps. So it's also a mental 109 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: test for some of these players, because do you get 110 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: on the field in a preseason game and you'll be 111 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: running through a play you've never run in practice. You've 112 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: only seen them do it, you know, And that's a 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: and that is a big test, a big test. Knowing 114 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: there were no preseason games last year, I think we 115 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: looked to Week seventeen game last season as a bit 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: of a roadmap to coach mcdermot's thinking on this with 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: respect to starters. Even though there was nothing to gain 118 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: via playoff seating seating entering Week seventeen last year, McDermott 119 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: still played his starters, including some of the key players 120 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: we mentioned, right up until halftime, a few even into 121 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: the third quarter. The belief there was to keep the 122 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: group sharp for the postseason. That carried far greater risk 123 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: than playing such players in the preseason. I don't know 124 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: about you. But I think we believe, knowing Coach McDermott 125 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: like we do, these guys are going to play some 126 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: in the preseason. They're not going to just be put 127 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: on a shelf for a month here, right. But I 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: also know this, there's some of these guys deep in 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: his heart. Sean McDermot doesn't need to have them prove 130 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: anything to him, right, But the way he runs things 131 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: from Josh Allen all the way down through me and you, 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: the whole building's got to bring it every day, right. 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: And if he starts letting Josh Allen slide and Steph 134 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: dig slide and Mitch Moore slide and Starlo tu Lay slide, 135 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: and those guys are like, yeah, there, we know it. 136 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: It it's a trickle down. So you will You'll know 137 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: those guys are gonna put it, get put out there 138 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: in a position where they're going to be expected to perform. 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Do those players, though, have the cache where there can 140 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: be a given take with the coach where they can 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: say a coach like, I'm ready to go here in 142 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: the preseason, but I do want to preserve my boy. 143 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: I know we got an extra regular season game. I'm 144 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: gonna be playing a lot of snaps during the season. 145 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Is it okay if I just get three series because 146 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: that should get me ready for the next preseason game 147 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: in it? Or do those conversations happen to threshold? It's 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: not whether you play or not, it's how big a 149 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: voice you have and how much you play. Yeah, but 150 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: like a Diggs for example, I give you example of 151 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: the conversation. I can picture it happened. Sean McDermot comes 152 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: and goes, hey, man, we're thinking about playing you three 153 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: series against Detroit. What do you think Okay, Josh would say, 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to go for or I'd like to go too. 155 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: What do you think about And I'd like to get 156 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: a two minute drive, Like yeah, I'd like get a 157 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: two minute drive too, And he's all right, well, what 158 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: we might do is just come out of the blocks, 159 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: give you a two minute drive first series of the game. 160 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. Yeah, and so that's kind of 161 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: conversation happens. But I'm sure that's the threshold of guys 162 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: like Jerry Hughes, guys like Starlouti, La Josh and Steph Diggs, 163 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: those Trey White, proven veteran players. They'll say, hey, we 164 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: want to play you this much. What do you think 165 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: and they'll say yes or no. And I think I've 166 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: told you this earlier in the show. One of the 167 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: key components for players to play their best in the preseason. 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: If you're not if it's one of these how much 169 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna play, how much you're not gonna play, is 170 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: go to that guy and say here's exactly how much 171 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna play. Because when you can get your mind 172 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: aer on what's going to be expected of you do it. 173 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: But when you go to a guy like Josh said, Hey, Josh, 174 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: act like you're gonna play the whole game, well, yeah, no, 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play the whole game. That's that's a lie, 176 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: you know. Don't do that. Just tell him say listen 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: we're thinking about and the greyer area there is, the 178 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: more uncertain the guy is and the more uncomfortable it is. 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: Just say listen. If there's if there's o one left 180 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: in the first quarter and we get the ball back 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: with one second left, you're gonna go out and finish 182 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: that drive. If if you come out of the game 183 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: at twelve thirty or at three minutes to go in 184 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: the first quarter, they get the ball in the quarter Turney, 185 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: you're done. As long as that says first order and 186 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: we have the ball, you're in. Other than that, you're out. 187 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: That's that's how specific players want it to be, because 188 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: once you get your mind around that, you can go 189 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: hard knowing that there's an endpoint. When you leave it 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: open ended, it's like, all right, well if they get 191 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: this back and then you're over there going okay, now 192 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: you're doing mental math series. Yeah, what he there's mental math, 193 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: Like what if they go there? You don't know that's 194 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: a problem, But the conversations do happen, particularly for the 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: players that are near and dear to us. Obviously, the 196 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: hidden benefit to not playing your primetime players is providing 197 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot more time for the younger talent, often leading 198 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: to a more accurate evaluation of them by the coaching 199 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: staff while they gain valuable experience, and that should lead 200 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: to a handful of players potentially emerging and proving they're 201 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: ready to contribute. Now that brings us to the numbers 202 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: game and Steve. The challenge this week concerns rookie starters 203 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: in Week one of the regular season in the Sean 204 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: McDermott Era. Since twenty seventeen, there have been a total 205 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: of seven players who has rookies started Week one of 206 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: the regular season for the Bills. So, Steve, can you 207 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: name those seven players who started in their first career 208 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: regular season game between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty. Do 209 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: you want to start at the front end of them 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: or the back end? It was only seven names. I'm 211 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: just gonna pull them out. I think I got a 212 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: chance at this. Yeah, all right, Trey White correct, Tremaine 213 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Edmonds correct, Cody Ford incorrect, No, really, all right, Dawson 214 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: Knox incorrect. Week one? You're talking about a week one? 215 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: All right, it's not Josh, I'll say Gabe Davis correct? 216 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: How many of I got three? You've got White, Edmunds, Davis, 217 00:11:52,520 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: you have four remaining? Phillips Nope, oh, Ed ed Oliver correct, 218 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: that's four. Four, you got three to go. I thought 219 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: it was gonna do better. Oh uh not. Levi Wallace nope. 220 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: Matt Milano incorrect. That's I've just missed that one. So 221 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: I will tell you in Devin Singletary. Devin Singletary is correct, 222 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: You've got two to go, Steve, and I will tell you, 223 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: in the interest of being fair, we are accounting special 224 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: teamers in this offense, defense and special dam Johnson not 225 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Dam Johnson. It's not dam Johnson, not as a rookie. Nope, 226 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: What the what? All right? Oh? Borkes, not Borkes, Nope, 227 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: not as a rookie. Ttter Bass, Tyler Bass. There you go. 228 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: You got one left, Steve, one left? Come on, make 229 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: this sweep to speak, Tredavious White, Tremaine Edmonds, ed Oliver, 230 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, Gabriel Davis, Tyler Bass. You mentioned h Cody Ford. 231 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: He did not start in week one Tie and Secky 232 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: started at right tackle and then he platooned with him. 233 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Don't clear my mind, U, I will tell you go 234 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: back to the earlier parts of the McDermott era. It 235 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: is not someone on the current roster. Um, not somebody 236 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: on the current ros Yeah, trying to help you with that. 237 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: That's tough. A rookie who started week one who's not 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: on the current roster since two thousand, we've gotta be 239 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Mm hmmm, Oh getting warm? Is it the quarterback? Nope? 240 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: Who's number? I can't even think of his name? No 241 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: number two? Oh, Peter Peterman. It's not Nathan Peterman. No, 242 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: he started his second year a week one. Uh oh man, Oh, 243 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: it's right there. Tommy Sweeney, it is not tommys Uh 244 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: it's gotta be Oh, Dion Dawkins, it is not the 245 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: d oh he was. He's no longer on the club. 246 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen draft pick. Yes, I should trade it up 247 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: for him. Oh wait a minute, I wait. Uh oh. 248 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get it. I'm not gonna get it. 249 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: You are gonna get it. I'm not gonna get it. 250 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: Traade your position twenty seventeen. Trade it up for him 251 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: in round too wide receiver. Oh, Zay Jones, Zay Jones. 252 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: There it is. You got there. We had to push 253 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you over the finish line, but you made it. Good job. Yeah. 254 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Those are the seven, at least according to NFL game books. 255 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: From Greek one from right out and buying another coffee, 256 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: There you go, extra large? What go? Good job, Steve. 257 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Time Now for our featured guests of the week. It's 258 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's offseason quarterback coach, Jordan Palmer, who is blowing 259 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: up on the quarterback Guru scene. He weighs in on 260 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: the nuances of where Josh worked to improve his game 261 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: this past summer. Here is Jordan, and it is now official. 262 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: The team has confirmed that Josh Allen has signed a 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: contract extension six years in length and runs through twenty 264 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: twenty eight. In terms of numbers, Adam Schefter is already 265 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: reporting the compensation. He's saying it is a deal worth 266 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty eight million dollars, including one hundred 267 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: and fifty million guaranteed. I think we knew the money 268 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: was going to be big and confirmed it is if 269 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter is reporting, is on the mark, and usually 270 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: it is. And joining us now is someone who has 271 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: been instrumental in getting Josh Allen to a level of 272 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: play that would earn him a contract of this size. 273 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: So I think this guy deserves at least a stake 274 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: dinner from Josh. It is Jordan Palmer joining us on 275 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: the line, the man who works with Josh each and 276 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: every summer on the intricacies and nuances of his game. Jordan, 277 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: your time. It couldn't be better. How does that feel? 278 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: That's got to kind of make you a happy guy, 279 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: knowing you know you had a hand in that to 280 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: some degree, right, Well, it's funny. I was wondering why 281 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: you guys relate to the call. And then down I go, 282 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: all right, well, that's a good excuse that one works. Um, 283 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: couldn't be couldn't be happier for him and his family. 284 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I look at this through a couple 285 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: of perspectives. One, I've spent a lot of time with him, um, 286 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, as as the player coach relationship, there's also 287 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: just the relationship we have as he's like a little 288 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: brother to meeting his family. UM. And then also you know, 289 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: I was the little brother of a guy who was 290 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: drafted number one, signed the biggest deal in league history 291 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: at that point, and was in the room when my 292 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: brother signed his first big contract extension with the Cincinnati Bengal. 293 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: So I also see it from that perspective of the family. Um. 294 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: And so just couldn't be happier all the way around. 295 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: And you know, I'll be honest with you. You see, 296 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: you see players, We see it all the time every sport. 297 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: You see a player signed a massive deal where they're 298 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of money. But I don't know 299 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: about that team, and I don't really know about that organization, 300 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: and I don't know how good that team's really gonna 301 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: be because all the holes everywhere else. I think the 302 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: real story here is not the deal that they just 303 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: got in play. He's Brandon Bean and Josh and the 304 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: agents that were involved. But the steam is really good 305 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: and better than they were last year. And this is 306 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: not some situation where they just paid a player and 307 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: can't afford to do anything else. I think this is 308 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the hottest team in the NFL, with pieces that are 309 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: just continue to get addressed on all three phases of 310 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: the game. It's so easy for fans to sit out, 311 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: say one hundred and fifty million bucks guaranteed two hundred 312 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: and fifty eight million overall, it's average like forty three 313 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: million bucks a year. But what they forget and is 314 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, and even we forget sometimes how 315 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: hard he worked to make it happen, not just at Wyoming, 316 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: not just at community college, not going to just going 317 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: to quarterback camps. But once he had signed a deal 318 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: that now he's guaranteed twenty three million on the old deal, 319 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: but now he signed this deal. The hard work that 320 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: he put in year after year, you saw it firsthand, 321 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: and he helped him get there. What you know, talk 322 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about how far he from being you know, 323 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: top fifteen pick with some elite traits physically to being 324 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: a quarterback that's in the MVP conversation. Well, there's just 325 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: so many ways. There's so many different periods throughout his 326 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: career where early on he could have given up when 327 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't having success, and then as he started to 328 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: have success, you know, really college and then the draft, 329 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: and then you know, he's a seventh pick in the draft, multimillionaire, 330 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: young twenty something year. All the last few years, there's 331 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times when it was difficult where he 332 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: could have quit, and then there's a lot of times 333 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: when he had success where he could have got complacent. 334 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I grew up in a household where 335 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: my father talked about complacency, breeds, failure, getting comfortable, feeling 336 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: like you've arrived, taking your foot off the gas, whatever 337 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: you want to call it. As soon as you start 338 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: to do that, you're you're heading towards failure and and 339 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: not completing what you set out to do. And so 340 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: I look at it as a kid who fought through 341 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: all those times when he could have given up. You know, 342 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: he emailed over, sent out over a thousand emails just 343 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: begging colleges to give him a chance, and all of 344 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: them said no. Went to a very small junior college 345 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: we all know the story reading junior college, and then 346 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: went to Laramie, Wyoming. Plenty of opportunities there to hang 347 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: him up or switch to baseball or start working on 348 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: the farm. He never did that. And then once he 349 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: got drafted and became a multi millionaire and had some success, 350 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities to take a step back and enjoy 351 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: it and not put them the work and not keep 352 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: that same aggressive competitive mentality that he has, and he 353 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: just never did it either. And you can give him 354 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: all the money in the world right now, you could 355 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: have given him five hundred million dollars a signing, and 356 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: that it's not gonna change how he's going to go 357 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: about this season and what his goals are to bring 358 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl back to Buffalo. Jordan, I want to 359 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of get in the nuts and bolts. We actually 360 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: had Bruce Feldman on the show last week, and I 361 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: know he kind of spent some time with you guys 362 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: out at your QB summit, and he was actually looking 363 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: to do a story on the Cincinnati quarterback in college 364 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: that's working with you, and instead he gravitated to doing 365 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: a whole piece on Joe Burrow and Josh because he 366 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: was kind of fascinated, I think by how advanced your 367 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: teachings are and how you marry it with the technology 368 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: that you use as well. What were some of the 369 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: new elements that maybe you brought to some of the 370 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: work you did with Josh. I read about some of 371 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: the things and we talked to Bruce about this as well. 372 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: You had their feet on like foot sensors as well 373 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: to see where the body was, you know, balanced on 374 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: the you know, balls of the feet, the whole foot, 375 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Maybe just for the layman like us, 376 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: explain the purpose of some of those new elements you 377 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: brought to some of the teachings this summer with those guys. Yeah, 378 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: you got to connect the stock valve to the rotary 379 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: cable and then carry the denominator. So really the technology 380 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: side of what I've been look, I trained players who 381 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: are the best of what they do in the world, 382 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: that are trying to figure out ways to get better, 383 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm just a quarterback coach who's 384 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: trying to get better at serving these guys. So every 385 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: year and we would get talk in three years from now, 386 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: we'll probably be talking about something different than I'm up to. 387 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: The reality is is that I have the same goals 388 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: as these guys that they want to win super Bowls 389 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: and I want to be positioned to help them win 390 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: super Bowls. And so for me, the technology side of 391 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: how I continue to evolve and incorporate that it's less 392 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: about It's not a computer where you could download new 393 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: software and your computer is better now. It's really just 394 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: helps to tell the story of what's happening where somebody 395 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: could be losing efficiency by something that they're doing. And 396 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: then the other thing that technology allows us to do 397 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: is the frames per second that my eye can see 398 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: versus what a really really high end piece of equipment 399 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: can see allows us to get better answers at what's happening. 400 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: And so put rap it all up, the technology side 401 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: of what I've incorporated into working with my players is 402 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: to help me better understand what they're doing, to explain 403 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: it to them in a way that hits their brain 404 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: because everybody learns differently, and then we can build a 405 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: protocol of what they should be doing on a regular 406 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: basis to make that bad habit feel terrible and the 407 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: new way of movement feel comfortable. And you know that 408 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: that's really Josh is, you know, as a poster boy 409 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: for it, just because of the mechanical changes that he's 410 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: made since coming out of college. But I also up 411 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: to say this to you guys before too my name 412 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: gets lumped him with Josh way more than it should. 413 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: I mean, Ken Dorsey is his quarterback coach, Running Dable 414 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: is his offensive coordinator, and those guys are the ones 415 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: who were with him all the time developing him. And 416 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: it's one thing to I work with guys on the 417 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: driving range, right where we've all got showed up at 418 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: the driving range and felt really good walking out that 419 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: first tee box and it did not know the way 420 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: that we intended. And then we've all had crappy time 421 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: on the driving range and it worked out on the course. 422 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: So you know, I really am more on the driving 423 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: range helping guys. But you know it's Ken Dorsey, It's 424 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: even the quarterbacks that have been in that room. You know, 425 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: Davis Webb, and I know Matt Barkley when he was there. 426 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: All these guys and Mitch sounds like He's been an 427 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: incredible resource for Josh. It's really the some of those 428 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: parts in Buffalo Um that deserve all the and in 429 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: terms of Josh's development, after Josh, who put in all 430 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: the work and is the one who's constantly seeking ways 431 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: to improve. So you've seen more, probably more quarterback play 432 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: and coached a lot of guys more so than most 433 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: guys have. I mean, most coaches get their crew of 434 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: guys and they've got him for a couple of years 435 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: and they move on. They moved through slowly. You, on 436 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: the other hand, you get you get young quarterbacks, you 437 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: get guys that are established, and you get guys that 438 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: are improving. You get guys at all levels. And you've 439 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: also had a vast experience as a player yourself, and 440 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: also your brother Carson, who when he came out, you know, 441 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: before all this guru stuff was a thing, Carson was 442 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: probably considered the most technically sound quarterback around. He was 443 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, that was his thing, right, So put into context, 444 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: Josh now as a quarterback to where hes he just 445 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: signed this big deal. Okay, he's he's kind of accomplished 446 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: something now that he's kind of an established guy with 447 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: expectations at the highest level. Put him into context with 448 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: guys like that you've seen, like Jordan Paul, like Carson 449 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: and some of the guys you played with. Where does 450 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: Josh fit in with all of that? Right? Where he is? Now? 451 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Where's his you know, where's he headed? And have we 452 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: seen maybe a quarterback position that may go places where 453 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen before in the coming years. Not so 454 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: much with Josh, but with anybody. Yeah, well, one the 455 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: position has changed, right, So the quarterbacks ability. I've been 456 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: saying this for ten years now that the future of 457 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: the position is the quarterbacks ability to create time and space. Now, 458 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: being really fast and getting outside of the defensive end 459 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: and running is one way to create time and space. 460 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: But Tom Brady does a great job of sliding at 461 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: the right time to the right place to create time 462 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: in space. But either way, it's the future defensive linemen. 463 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: Every year you look at the draft to get a 464 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: little bit taller, a little bit faster, a little bit longer, 465 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: and that position continues to get more and more athletic. 466 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: And at the young levels, you know, everybody's running the 467 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: same systems in high school and college now where it's 468 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: get the ball out quick, they're not really running the 469 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: ball a whole lot, and so pass rushers rushed the 470 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: passer more. So. I just think in general, the position's 471 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: going to get more athletic. The big, tall guy who 472 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: can't run at all, I can't move, who has a 473 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: rocket arm, I just we're gonna see I think we're 474 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: gonna see fewer and fewer of those guys go get 475 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: drafted high. What Josh is and I made this comment, 476 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I think he was in Sports Illustrated, and I got 477 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: feedback on both sides of it is I said, look, 478 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: I think he's the most talented physically talented player to 479 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: ever play the position. And I understand how bold of 480 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: a statement that is. And what I followed up with, 481 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: which didn't make the article, was, so let's come up 482 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: with a list, and I'm happy to have a conversation 483 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: about each guy, because you know, at six five, two 484 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: fifty whatever, he is arguably the strongest arm in the 485 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: league and yet one of the most dynamic runners in 486 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: the league. And so he's got the size of this guy, 487 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the speed of that guy. There are fast guys who 488 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: can't run that great, and there are guys who aren't 489 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: that fast who are really good runners. Blake Bortles ran 490 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: a four nine at the combine and led all quarterbacks 491 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: in rushing his first two years in the NFL. So 492 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: there's those guys that can run without the speed and 493 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: vice versa, and then there's guys that have big arms 494 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: but can't really control it underneath. And so I just 495 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: look from a physical standpoint and I go come up 496 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: with a list of five or six of the most 497 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: physically talented guys, and I think, if you really think 498 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: about it, you probably agree with me at the end. 499 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: And so Josh is. I think it's kind of hard 500 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: to replicate him because you've got to be big, strong 501 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: and fast, and those guys aren't just all over the place. 502 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: But I think Josh's very unique in that from that standpoint. 503 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: And then the second thing I'll say about Josh's He's 504 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: a point in your career which is about as fun 505 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: as it gets, and that is where you've got realistic goals, 506 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: like realistic attainable goals. I'm not saying these are his goals, 507 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: but I'm saying these these would be realistic outcomes for 508 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: the year. Is League MVP and Super Bowl MVP. You know, 509 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: we can all say, you know, you can be any 510 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league and say that's the goal for 511 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: the year. The reality is a very very small number 512 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: of people actually get to have that as a realistic goal. 513 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: And so he just got the big steal in the 514 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: league and he's setting into a season where as good 515 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: as they were last year, I think they've improved across 516 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: the board, and he's got realistic goals of winning a 517 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and being the best player on the planet. Jordan, 518 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: I know we had you on the show last fall 519 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: when he was truly taking off, and as impressed as 520 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: we all were were all the things and the giant 521 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: jumps that a lot of his statistical categories made. I mean, 522 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: he rewrote the single season record book for the Bills, 523 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: and they've got a Hall of Fame quarterback that played 524 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: for this team, whose name I don't need to reveal 525 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: to you. But all of that aside, you told us 526 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: he's a guy that really has no ceiling if he 527 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: continues to apply himself each and every offseason the way 528 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: he has with you and on his own time for 529 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: that matter. So we had Bruce Feldman on here, who 530 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: had a full on bromance after watching Josh work with 531 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: you and saying he thinks he could get to seventy 532 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: two to seventy five percent completion somewhere in there this year. 533 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: We've looked it up. I mean, and I don't have 534 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: to tell you Jordan, that's pretty rare air. I mean, 535 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: Drew Brees has seven of the seventeen single seasons with 536 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: seventy percent completion or more. There aren't many. Josh almost 537 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: got there last year. You're saying he's got no ceiling. 538 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: You're saying you're expecting him to have an even better 539 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: year this year. Obviously, circumstances can change week to week 540 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. We know that, But realistically, where is 541 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: Josh's completion percentage this year if all these improvements come 542 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: to fruition, Well, let's just I definitely don't want to 543 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: throw out a number, but let's just let me get 544 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: a build a case as to why it should be high. 545 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: He went into last year as good as Stefan dis 546 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: was and is as much chemistry as those two guys 547 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: had together. They did not throw a pass other than 548 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: a couple of days in Miami in the off season, 549 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: didn't know each other, got to had to develop a 550 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: relationship both the personal relationship and the playing relationship really 551 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: had to develop that during training camp, in the season, right, 552 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: not in the off season. So they're heading into this 553 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: season in a completely different place with the relationship again 554 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: on the field and off the field, right. And then 555 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: you look at and I love Smokey Smokey John Brown 556 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: played for my brother with my brother in Arizona, known 557 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: him since his rookie year. But I really feel like 558 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: that other position has been upgraded. One by Isaiah continuing 559 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: to get better and getting reps now and having a 560 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: season under his belt, but also just bringing in Emmanuel 561 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: Sanders and what he brings. Guys been around a championship, 562 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: Guys played with some of the great quarterbacks, playing great systems, 563 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: and so I think on offense they're they've upgraded. And 564 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: then obviously with the pass rush position, so getting off 565 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: the field on third down, maybe they get a hand 566 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: if they get four or five more sacks, that's potentially 567 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: had a couple more series. So you upgrade at the 568 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: receiver position, you upgrade the chemistry between that guy right there, 569 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: number fourteen and that guy right there, number seventeen. You 570 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: get more opportunities on offense by increasing by in theory, 571 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: by upgrading the pass rush and the defense in general, 572 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: and then just the idea that last year I know 573 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: they thought probably thought they were going to be really 574 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: good on offense. But the way that you can design 575 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: and scheme and what Brian Dabele can do in an offseason, 576 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: this offseason one with all the OTAs in practice, and 577 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: two knowing what your quarterbacks literally capable of is different 578 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: than I think where they were last year. You know, 579 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: Josh was coming off of whatever his completion presents US 580 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: fifty something percent. There was high expectations that last year 581 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: would go well, but you got COVID, you got no 582 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: crowd noise, you got like just all of that stuff 583 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: where I look at it and I go, well, I 584 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: think he'd probably would be better in every category across 585 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: the board this year. What can we expect now, We've 586 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: seen it before where a guy has a breakout season. 587 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Even Mahomes when he threw for fifty touchdowns was the MVP. 588 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Then the next year he throws for twenty six. They 589 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: still get deep into the playoffs. In fact, the next year, 590 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, they win the Super Bowl. What what will 591 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: defenses do in response to what the Bills bring up 592 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: and what they brought offensively last year. What's the first 593 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: thing the defenses tend to do when they're facing a 594 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: quarterback that's like this ultimate weapon where he can outrun 595 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: most of the guys on your defense and you can 596 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: throw it like Josh can throw it. What what's the response, 597 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: generally speaking to an offense like the one the Bills 598 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: put put out their last year. Well, I'd be surprised 599 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: if defensive coordinators are gonna go, here's start off the 600 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: meetings with saying, here's how we're going to stop these guys. 601 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think the way the 602 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: teams are going to have to play the Bills this 603 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: year is they are going to have to score in 604 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: the red zone their own offense, and they're gonna have 605 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: to put points on the board when they have a 606 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: chance to because you're not going to stop this offense 607 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: because they're not built on running the ball on first 608 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: and second down and throwing it on third. You just 609 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: look at some their ability to get the ball of 610 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: his hands quickly. The quick game, the screen game came 611 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: on last year. I think back to I think it 612 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: was Week four Miami. They had a big play action 613 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: there four minute I think they were up up eight 614 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: point eight points something like that, and in a situation 615 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: where you want to run the ball just to kind 616 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: of bleed out the clock, and Brian Dable dials up 617 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: a big play action post over the top and Josh 618 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: kind of misses John Brown. The next play, they come 619 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: right back to the same thing and they hit it 620 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: for a basically to seal the game. When you have 621 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: like an unpredictable offensive coordinator like that who's not afraid 622 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: to dial anything up that he thinks makes sense at 623 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: that time, you got a quarterback who doesn't turn it 624 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: over a lot, and you got an offense who's doesn't 625 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: rely on the run game to get the game going, 626 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: but can absolutely run the ball when needed. I'm not 627 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: really sure. I'm not a defensive coordinator. I'm not really 628 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: sure what you do going into that. You certainly can't 629 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: leave Steph Diggs by himself, and then you've got Dawson 630 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Knox and these other pieces that if needed, can step 631 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: in and make a big impact in the game. Cole 632 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: Beasley's I think probably the best slow in the league. 633 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: We have all those pieces. I think the only thing 634 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: you can do as another as an opponent is try 635 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: and outscore the Bills Jordan. We know that because Josh 636 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: has said it. Among the things on his to do 637 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: list was to kind of nail down better consistency on 638 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: what he described as the incutting routes. It seems as 639 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: though those frustrated him at times in terms of his 640 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: own play and consistency. I'm sure there isn't like a 641 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: hard and fast well, this is what we do to 642 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: fix it. There are different things that you guys probably 643 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: ran through to try to address those as best as possible. 644 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: My question to you is how did he feel about 645 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: making that a more consistent part of his game when 646 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: he left you, you know, and headed to training camp. 647 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: So what we kind of do is I like to 648 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: start off, whether it's him or Burrow or a lot 649 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: of these other guys, is we look at hey, pull 650 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: up some clips of some things that it just felt off, 651 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: whether it was a great throw but it didn't feel 652 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: right or it was a mess, and then we try 653 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: and a common denominator or what illogically what's happening there? 654 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: And so really common when guys based off the drop, 655 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: when they take a hitch, they move in a way 656 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: that causes this front shoulder to tilt up and when 657 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: that front shoulder tilts up, and now you're going to 658 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: try and layer one to a spot. It's really hard 659 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: to do that really consistently. These guys can all, especially Josh, 660 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: he can make any throw at any time. But what 661 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: we're trying to do is go one hundred for one 662 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: hundred on everything right, get to a point in theory 663 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: where it's always the same outcome. Maybe I just move differently, 664 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: but I can always replicate the same pattern. And so 665 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: we're able to do is figure out what in his 666 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: drop was causing him to get to a place where 667 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: when he got to throw that ball, that shoulder tilted 668 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: up a little bit. And so we figure out what 669 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: exactly is happening there, give him a new kind of pattern. 670 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: How do we kind of have a process for changing 671 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: things mechanically. One we learn the new pattern and execute 672 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: it correctly. Two, then you add resistance to it, whether 673 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: it's a band of belt, I'm pushing an applying pressure. 674 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: And then three you train it for speed. Now you 675 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: can move fast. And then fourth you get ready for 676 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: competition with it. And now we see is it a 677 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: reaction and does it happened automatically. That's kind of the 678 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: process that I go through with guys. So really simply, 679 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: he had one area of his game and that was it, 680 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have said it if he didn't. But 681 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: if that's the area that he mentioned, Yeah, that's the 682 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: thing that we want to focus on. We come up 683 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: with a new movement pattern, apply resistance, train for speed, 684 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: and now he's ready for competition. And now he's got 685 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: all the training camp to get to a point where 686 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: how does he do that the way that he wants 687 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: to the way that we talked about without every thinking 688 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: about it? How does it become muscle memory? And just 689 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: and I realize different parts of the intricacies of the 690 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: game take a different number of reps, but in general, 691 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: are we talking five hundred reps to get that motor memory? 692 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: Were talking ten thousand? Like, what is what's a realistic 693 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: range to really reprogram some of the things we've seen 694 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: Josh reprogram in his game and his throwing motion. Well, 695 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: it totally varies on the guide and it varies on 696 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: how a permanent of a habit that was right. So 697 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: I trained my brother in the last three years of 698 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: his career, treated him like a client flew out to 699 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: Arizona and trained him. He was thirty six years old. 700 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: Some of the things that we worked on were really 701 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: really hard to adjust, that little, tiny, simple thing that 702 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: a twelve year old might fix like that, just because 703 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: the twelve yeard it's not it's not a pattern yet. 704 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: He hadn't been playing full very long, and so it's 705 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: a little bit that various and depends. You know that 706 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Josh on college, the way that he played the game, 707 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: bouncing on his toes with a narrow base, which is 708 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: the opposite of how he plays now. I thought it 709 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: would take a couple of years, but just that isolated 710 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: thing was was better his rookie year. You know it 711 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: already kind of. It only took one offseason. So what 712 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: I say to make a mechanical change, a major one, 713 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: to change muscle memory, you gotta be two things. One 714 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: you gotta be all in on the right plan. You 715 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: can't be half in on the right plan, and you 716 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: can't be all in on the wrong plan, okay. And 717 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: two you got to be athletic enough to learn the 718 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: new movement. And athleticism in this case is less about 719 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: forty yard dash or how explosive somebody is It's way 720 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: more about the mind body connection that they have. So 721 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: if I say, all right, leave that left foot in 722 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: the ground, when you hitch pull that right footback underneath you, 723 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: do you feel that in your left adductor the inside 724 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: part of your left leg. A really athletic person with 725 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: really good mind body connection can feel that. Somebody without 726 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: that mind body connection, really, what do you mean my leg? 727 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: And I don't. It's just harder to help that person 728 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: make a change really quickly. Josh is incredibly athletic when 729 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: it comes to mind body connection. So Josh can get 730 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive than some other guys can 731 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: in terms of what they want to work on and 732 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: what they want to address, even in a short amount 733 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: of time because of he's all in and between ken 734 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: Gorse and everything they do there. And then Josh and 735 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: I his working relationship on the right plan, and then 736 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: he's incredibly athletic in terms of the mind body connections. 737 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: So um, this is a safe bet if you're the 738 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: Pagoula family and Brandon being because this is a guy 739 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: who's just gonna always try and figure out a thing 740 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: to get better at um and then he'll be able 741 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: to do that really quickly, and I intend on continuing 742 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: to help him find those things in my time with 743 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: him for as long as I had me fascinating. Yeah, 744 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: we've had last one from me. We've everybody saw. I 745 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: mean you, you could be the most casual fan ever 746 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: and see the vast improvement he made last year. The 747 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: different kind of quarterback he was, didn't run that much, 748 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: his arm did the work for him. He slid, he 749 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: bought some time and showed his athleticism, but they didn't 750 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: call as many runs from him. They just let him 751 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: make decisions, and he did it. What if if Josh 752 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: comes in and improves and shows the improvement you've worked 753 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: on him with that you're hoping for, what tangibly will 754 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: SOMETI Will there be enough improvement that a casual fans like, wow, 755 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: he's even better this year. What would we see if 756 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: that's the case. I don't know. I don't know if 757 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: you'll be able to see it like that over the 758 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: Washington over the course of the season. If somebody jumps 759 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: up four percent in completion percentage, that's a massive jump, 760 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't show yet. Right. It's like I see 761 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: my kids every day. They look the same to me. 762 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: But my parents haven't seen him in three weeks. They go, oh, 763 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: my gosh, they look so different, like they've grown so 764 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: much since I've seen him last. So I don't know 765 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: what the casual fan will be able to see, but 766 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: what they're gonna see is a guy that I think 767 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: all we've talked about so far is his physical stuff. Today, 768 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: I actually think the biggest jump is going to be 769 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: for him is going to be and how he manages situations. 770 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: That's the evolution of these young quarterbacks is go from 771 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: figuring out ways to win games and then go towards 772 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: making phenomenal decisions at all the key points in the 773 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: games at the end. And Josh is so competitive that 774 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: he wants to make a play every single time. The 775 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: evolution of his game as he transitions from starter to 776 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: MVP caliber franchise guy, and then as he transitions into champion, 777 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: whether it's this year sometime in the next few years, 778 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: is he transitions into champion, it'll be less about making 779 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: physical adjustments to his game and it'll be more about 780 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: going one hundred for one hundred, unhandling really complex, tough 781 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: emotional situations. The last three or four minutes of these 782 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: big games. That'll be the evolution of him as a player, 783 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: and I can't think of a better staff of guys 784 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: between Ken Dorsey, Brian Dable, Coach McDermott to help the 785 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: evolution of that. And I can talk to him about 786 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: it from here, but it's those guys that are going 787 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: to help him make that transition, and that'll be I 788 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: think the difference to in this team winning how many 789 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowls they win here over the course of this 790 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: contract will be Josh's evolution on that side of the game, 791 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: and I place a hefty bet on it that he 792 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: does that. Jordan, I'm glad the timing worked out as 793 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: well as it did today for you to join us 794 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: here on a really special day for Josh. I know 795 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: you're happy for him having him as your client. Let 796 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: me know if you need us to pass along your 797 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: stake preference, whether it's Delmonico, Bone and Ribby, whatever it is, 798 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: because at the very least, I ozias steak dinner for 799 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: some of the work he's done with him, it's been 800 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: a it's been great to see him evolved and become 801 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: such a franchise guy for this team. Thanks Jordan, Yeah, 802 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: I want to I definitely gonna make it out to 803 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: a hung game this year, and now there's fans back 804 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: in the stands. I need to go. I need to 805 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: go visit Bills mafia for sure. Yeah, that sounds good. 806 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: We'd be happy to have you. Thanks Jordan for the time. 807 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate it. Thanks guys. Congrat alright, alright, Stephen. 808 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: Our closing segment here we asked the question should we 809 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: be concerned? We present a few scenarios the Bills are 810 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: dealing with and assess whether it's something that could turn 811 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: into an issue. Here we go an issue. Two Bills 812 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: lineman who could both be starters missed the first week 813 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: of training camp and Dion Dawkins and Butker. They've also 814 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: had John Feliciano out of the lineup, knowing injuries and 815 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: absences compromise the effectiveness of their offensive line last year. 816 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: Should we be concerned? No, not yet, not yet. The 817 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: COVID things will pass. They'll be back when they're ready, 818 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: and they'll be better for it. They'll be now when 819 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: they come back. But Dawkins, one thing you have to remember, 820 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: they left before training camp, just before training camp, so 821 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: they haven't really practice at all. So they come back 822 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: the team's gonna be in full pads. That's a big jump. 823 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: So you can see one of those guys tweaking something 824 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: or or having a pay a tempo problem with practice 825 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: and injuring themselves because of it or being injured because 826 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: of it. Feliciano, I think he'll probably be out a 827 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: short period of time now. One they did sign a 828 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: couple of offensive linemen to cover for these guys being out, 829 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: and I get that, but I do think it's gonna 830 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 1: help the coaches evaluate what they've got behind those three starters. 831 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: I mean, those are those Buttker was consider him a starter, 832 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: which he did last year for at the end of 833 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: the season. Feliciano of course, and of course Dion Dawkins. 834 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: It gives him a chance to evaluate who they got, 835 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: particularly guys like Spencer Brown and Tommy Boyle. So I 836 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: think it's actually a plus that those guys are sitting 837 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: for a minute. It's not a concern. Yeah, I'm not 838 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: terribly concerned either. You get past preseason game number two 839 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: and if you still have nicks and things and guys 840 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: are in and out of the lineup, well then I 841 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: might harbor a little more concern for this. But knowing 842 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: the time on the job that the majority of these 843 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: guys have had together, I don't think there's cause for 844 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: concern at this juncture. We could find out very quickly 845 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: that there is no way to keep all the promising 846 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: receiver talent on the roster when it comes time to 847 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: reduce it to fifty three players, With players like Jake Kumero, 848 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens, Marquis Stevenson, Brandon Powell others likely to be 849 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: in that mix, should we be concerned about finding room 850 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: for the guys they want to keep. I don't think so. 851 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: Not With the way the practice squad's been expanded and 852 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: the fifty three man and you and I've gone down 853 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: the numbers, there's a possibility in a way they can 854 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: keep seven wide receive they keeps seven wide receivers, they'll 855 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: have plenty of guys. Even if they keep six and 856 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: keep stash a couple on the practice squad and protect them, 857 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: they'll there'll be plenty of talent out there for Josh 858 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: to have guys that can roll through. If indeed there's 859 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: a rash of injuries at the wide receiver spot, I 860 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: think no. I think there's gonna be enough room for 861 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: these guys, and there's been some talk of maybe the 862 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: Bills have enough guys and show enough guys in the preseason. 863 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: The other teams would would want to, you know, poach them, 864 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: and Brandon Bank could get some draft capital in return 865 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: for trading these guys to other teams here in the preseason. 866 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: That's a slim possibility. Yeah, slim. Things are moving too 867 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: fast in the preseason for teams to go out on 868 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: a limb and say, hey, I want that guy. That guy. 869 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: They haven't seen enough and they've got enough of their 870 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: own evaluation processes to go on. But no, I think 871 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: they could possibly keep seven on the on the reactive 872 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,720 Speaker 1: roster and one or two stashed on the practice squad. 873 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: Nine eight or nine guys. That's plenty, plenty, plenty. Yeah, 874 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: And I know that most people are of the opinion 875 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: that there are four locks at receiver, with at being 876 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: digs Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. I think Isaiah McKenzie is 877 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: making a pretty strong case for himself through the first 878 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: week of training camp. He has been solid and consistent. 879 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: That's five already, But I agree with you. The saving 880 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: grace here is the expanded practice squad of sixteen players 881 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: Without that, they'd really be up a creek and risk 882 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: losing a player that maybe is in their future, but 883 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: is not in there right now. You know what I mean. 884 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: It's yeah there. You don't want to let quality players go. 885 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: And we've talked about it all offseason. This is a deep, 886 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: talented roster. It's gonna be hard to make guys like 887 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: Jake Kumereau, Marquis Stevenson, Poornier Is. He's been good. So 888 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: they've got some guys, no question, but we'll see. I 889 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, having too much, got too many good guys 890 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: at one position is a plus, not a minus under 891 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: any circumstances. Same question, But for defensive line, some quality 892 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: players may get caught up in a numbers game there. 893 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: It's almost like you're forced to compromise your own roster depth. 894 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: Should we be concerned we're talking about people like Darryl Johnson, 895 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips, Justin Zimmer. Yeah, because as deep as we 896 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: think we are at wide out, they're deeper on the 897 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: d line of guys that are very either either proven 898 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: quality players maybe not maybe not top elite players, quality roles, 899 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: quality players, and their neck deep in them. They call 900 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: eight or nine deep and some of them have been 901 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,240 Speaker 1: productive for this team, like well like Bam Johnson, Harrison Phillips, 902 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: and Justin simmer Well. And that's the point I'm making 903 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: because it's not it's not only the fact that they 904 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: are quality role players. You've invested development time in these 905 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: players as well. It's got to kill a coach that 906 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: knows that this player can give us value. We just 907 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: don't have a spot for That's right, That's it. That's 908 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: the crusher. And I think that the D lineman on 909 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: this team, I think that is the most com petitive 910 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: position battle of camp with bar none. It is with 911 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: the draft picks. They've got the young players that they 912 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: can't get. They can't give up on at Oliver, they 913 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: can't give up on a Japans, and they're not gonna 914 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: give up on the two draft picks. Bash them and Rousseau, Well, 915 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,280 Speaker 1: where does that leave Justin zimmer Bet, Darryl Johnson, Harrison Phillips, 916 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: You know where does that leave those guys? And that 917 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about Jerry Hughes and Starlow two Lela 918 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: and Vernon Butler. I mean you, it's their neck deep 919 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: in them. Yes, defensive line, that's a concern for for 920 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: some of the players who were those you know, six 921 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: or seventh rotated guys. In no question about it. It is. Uh. 922 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: I think it might be trickier there, Yes, and I 923 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: think it is. I think it really is. I mean, 924 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,879 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some tough calls there because you're gonna 925 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,959 Speaker 1: be counting. You're gonna be asking yourself, you know, well, 926 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: do we only keep four dts? Can we count on 927 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: fa Obada to be a position flex player and tackle? 928 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 1: Can Carlos Basham hold up if we move him inside 929 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: and pass rushing situations? Is he a position flex that 930 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: can afford us to keep maybe one less at DT 931 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: so we can keep one more end that offers more 932 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: position flexibility. A myriad of questions that have to be 933 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 1: answered there by the coaching staff. It's the personnel department. 934 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: It's the most up in the air position rotation battle 935 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: because they do rotate those guys through. But man o, man, 936 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: they've gotten there. They're like twelve or thirteen deep for 937 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: a spot where you might keep what nine. Yeah, it's 938 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: gonna be very compelling, no question about it. And the 939 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: preseason games will probably help in creating the separation that 940 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: the coaches need to see to make those decisions even 941 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: just a little bit easier. That'll do it for this 942 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: edition of One Bill's Light. Remember to subscribe on your 943 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 1: podcast platform so you know when the next episode is 944 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: available for you. You can also watch and listen to 945 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: us on The Bill's YouTube channel. And remember, whenever there 946 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: isn't enough tie for our three hour show One Bills Live, 947 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: there's always enough time for One bills Life restive task 948 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: around Chris Brown. We'll see you next week. Everybody