Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So I slid
Speaker 1: into your DMS, yes, which is so bizarre, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know. People always think it's like you know someone
Speaker 1: that's looking to hook up, like I always talk about like, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy slid into my DMS and here I am.
Speaker 1: But it was, like mom based, it was when you
Speaker 1: announced you were pregnant, So mom to mom, I slid
Speaker 1: into your DMS to just say hi, and you responded,
Speaker 1: and we've carried on this DM relationship until May. And
Speaker 1: who is it that news? You didn't know? You didn't
Speaker 1: watch Beverly Hills. I know, no, right, but you're she.
Speaker 2: Is a huge fan. She's actually in the living room
Speaker 2: right now and I can meet her. You do she
Speaker 2: she is not ready, but hey, Crassy Torri wants.
Speaker 1: To meet you. Oh, tell her to take her time.
Speaker 1: We can talk and then she could come in when
Speaker 1: she feels.
Speaker 2: Ready because I don't know get ready.
Speaker 1: So I gosh, I don't even know where to jump in.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I came into this interview interview.
Speaker 1: It's not an interview, it's a podcast chat amongst friends.
Speaker 1: But I came into this thinking, gosh, what do I
Speaker 1: even talk to her about like, I feel like, do
Speaker 1: you feel talked to death? God? No pun intended, excuse
Speaker 1: my slips. I make jokes when I get nervous about
Speaker 1: talking about your past.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that, yeah, I mean I'm tired
Speaker 2: of talking about it. I think that, like at this point,
Speaker 2: you know, my my parole ends day after tomorrow, so
Speaker 2: on the twenty sixth, finally will be free woman to
Speaker 2: the max.
Speaker 1: And then you guys are gonna come visit me in La.
Speaker 2: I mean I would love to, We would love to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I do feel like everything is
Speaker 2: sort of like talked about, and I've entered a completely
Speaker 2: new phase in my life where it's like that was
Speaker 2: my past. I am completely moving forward with everything in
Speaker 2: my life, with with motherhood and and I just have
Speaker 2: so much going for me that like nobody got anywhere
Speaker 2: in life by kept on looking in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I just.
Speaker 1: Have my eyes forward, definitely. And I mean, you you
Speaker 1: don't want that to define you. No, there's so much
Speaker 1: more to any human than what they're past has offered
Speaker 1: them up. But do you And this sounds really so
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but do you feel like, and god,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to liken this to my situation,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to find ways to connect with you
Speaker 1: obviously like your future. Do you feel like that kind
Speaker 1: of opened up doorways in a positive way? I mean,
Speaker 1: let's talk positive about the situation. There's so much negative,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: have been an actress and my father didn't open the
Speaker 1: door and give me a platform, give me a TV show? No,
Speaker 1: maybe not. Do you feel like in is there any
Speaker 1: positive to what has happened that you are given opportunities now,
Speaker 1: maybe to help others, maybe to you know, fulfill dreams
Speaker 1: that you thought. Gosh, everyone's focused on my past, But
Speaker 1: is there a good way?
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I've been I've been trying
Speaker 2: to do that for so long. When I was in prison,
Speaker 2: it was so vocult to be able to sort of
Speaker 2: rebrand myself because it's like I was still in the
Speaker 2: middle of living in it. And now that I'm entering
Speaker 2: into a new phase in my life, I feel like,
Speaker 2: only now could I start to kind of look back
Speaker 2: and say, you know, yeah, I mean I came from
Speaker 2: you know, I became well known from a tragic situation
Speaker 2: on both ends. It's like, I'm a victim and I'm
Speaker 2: a perpetrator. So getting out of the shadow of that
Speaker 2: is the hardest thing. To be able to have a
Speaker 2: platform to which to stand on that is respected. It's
Speaker 2: like I feel like it is only whenever I can
Speaker 2: break out of that mold that defines me. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be defined, but unfortunately I am.
Speaker 2: The reality is I am, And so what is the
Speaker 2: course of action moving forward? It's taking accountability and saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, yes, I I am branded a murderer
Speaker 2: and I did do the crime. I did do the time.
Speaker 2: Owning up to my actions is what it's all about
Speaker 2: and saying I'm not perfect, I made wrong choices, but
Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing today to try to move forward.
Speaker 1: I can never.
Speaker 2: Bring back the life that was taken. I can never
Speaker 2: unhurt the people that were hurt, but I can at
Speaker 2: least try and do some good with it. And I've
Speaker 2: been trying to break out into advocacy and I've been
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what that looks like for me.
Speaker 2: What am I passionate about. I'm passionate about prison reform,
Speaker 2: I'm passionate about the fact that there is. So you know,
Speaker 2: if if anybody's watched my show, they can tell that
Speaker 2: I've gone through it with haters online. So I'm kind
Speaker 2: of stepping into the realm of saying, hey, I'm experienced
Speaker 2: in being cyberbullied and I don't think it's right and
Speaker 2: there are some things in the system that need to
Speaker 2: change to have better preventative measures from cyberbully. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, I have a voice, now, let's figure
Speaker 2: out a way to direct it somewhere in a positive manner.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have this platform if I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: do what I did. But it's like, you can't change
Speaker 2: the past, so what can you do? Mold it to
Speaker 2: where you can better other people in the world and
Speaker 2: do something with that voice?
Speaker 1: And do you I don't know, you might already do this.
Speaker 1: Do you talk to people or are you an advocate
Speaker 1: for Munchausen proxy like working with people that have that.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to several victims that have shared
Speaker 2: their story. That's why I open myself up on social
Speaker 2: media is because there has been so many people that
Speaker 2: have come to me and then shared their story on
Speaker 2: a personal level, and I didn't blast them out. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's your story to tell. If you want me to,
Speaker 2: you know, bring more awareness to your situation, I will
Speaker 2: do that. But whatever you say stays between you and I.
Speaker 2: That's just that kind of safe space that I have
Speaker 2: created for people. But I do want to get more
Speaker 2: involved with organizations, and I have already had several conversations
Speaker 2: with munch House and biproxy experts to kind of lead
Speaker 2: me in the direction and also make me more knowledgeable.
Speaker 2: Because I can only go on my personal experience. There
Speaker 2: are so many different people that have gone through much
Speaker 2: House and biproxy but had a different experience.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I think I said the wrong name.
Speaker 2: Oh you're fine. It's a more hard word to say.
Speaker 1: So it is definitely, but you believe, like deep down
Speaker 1: your soul is that what your mom had.
Speaker 2: I do. I do. Even the doctor the doctors had
Speaker 2: put in the medical records, mother is suspected having MUCHILDS
Speaker 2: and biproxy. And that's that's Unfortunately, where the system is
Speaker 2: failing is there's not enough education about mu Chius and biproxy.
Speaker 2: There is probably about a paragraph that doctors learned about
Speaker 2: in school. It's not enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a mental illness. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: now in a society in twenty twenty five that everyone
Speaker 1: is so focused on mental health. It's kind of it
Speaker 1: is strange that that's there's not more light given to that,
Speaker 1: right do you I've read that it's like the heart
Speaker 1: like not curable. Do you feel like she could have
Speaker 1: been cured?
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like the system failed her
Speaker 2: just as much as the system failed me. Because you
Speaker 2: have to remember, she grew up in the you know, eighties,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was born in the nineties, and
Speaker 2: mental health wasn't talked about as much as it is now,
Speaker 2: and so her own family did not recognize those signs.
Speaker 2: They just kind of was like, Okay, she's the black
Speaker 2: sheep of the family, she's a little weird. They just
Speaker 2: categorized her like that and didn't look into the fact
Speaker 2: that she did have trauma, those things that happened to
Speaker 2: her in her childhood that caused her to have trauma
Speaker 2: and it went unchecked. She was supposed to be on medication,
Speaker 2: she did not take her medication like she should have
Speaker 2: or at all once we moved to Missouri.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. I wouldn't know why she didn't, Like
Speaker 1: she was all about giving you medication and giving but
Speaker 1: she didn't take her own. And did you know she
Speaker 1: was on medication at the.
Speaker 2: Time when I was you know, I grew up with
Speaker 2: a mother that said that she saw you know, shapes
Speaker 2: and shadows and her voices. So it's like I knew
Speaker 2: that she had a lady that would come to the house.
Speaker 2: And this is when we lived in Louisiana, So I
Speaker 2: may have been thirteen, fourteen years old, and I knew
Speaker 2: that there was a lady that would come to the
Speaker 2: house to talk to her, but I still didn't understand
Speaker 2: the scope of you know, who that lady was. And
Speaker 2: she was a therapist and her psychiatrist. So when we
Speaker 2: moved to Missouri, she didn't follow up with her care
Speaker 2: and she wasn't put on her medication because she wasn't
Speaker 2: seeing any plenty anymore. And so it's like that is
Speaker 2: where the system failed her. Is I feel like if
Speaker 2: she had been put on medication, if she had the
Speaker 2: support system that she needed, I feel like things would
Speaker 2: have been very different.
Speaker 1: Okay, And at what point did you realize that you
Speaker 1: weren't sick?
Speaker 2: I mean Honestly, I always knew that I could walk,
Speaker 2: and I talked about this in my book, My Time
Speaker 2: to Stand. I knew that I could walk, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of like growing up, my mom said that I
Speaker 2: had all these medical issues starting off with sleep apnea,
Speaker 2: then a seizure and disorder from birth, so from infancy,
Speaker 2: so growing up it was sort of distorted what I
Speaker 2: knew that I had and what I didn't know. It
Speaker 2: wasn't until my later teen years that I started to
Speaker 2: kind of piece together, well, I haven't had a seizure.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't feel like I have epilepsy. And
Speaker 2: then it wasn't until I got arrested that I knew
Speaker 2: the full scope of I'm perfectly healthy.
Speaker 1: And what happened, like what happens now? When you feel sick,
Speaker 1: do you doubt yourself?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Typically I just get like the common cold, but I
Speaker 2: am I am hesitant to like go to doctors I
Speaker 2: feel like And I was the same way in prison.
Speaker 2: I wasn't one of those inmates I would go to
Speaker 2: the sick bay for anything. I'd be like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: have to really like have run titus or something to
Speaker 2: want to go to the.
Speaker 1: Doctor because they failed you exactly.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm a little mistrusting.
Speaker 1: I understand. I just don't understand how doctors didn't see
Speaker 1: that you were healthy, or if they did, she would
Speaker 1: just take you to another doctor.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that is very common, which with parents with
Speaker 2: Munchausen by promiss. So all the test results were coming
Speaker 2: back normal, So it is very questionable and I still
Speaker 2: question it to this day, like why is the test
Speaker 2: results coming back normal? But you're going off of just
Speaker 2: what my mother said alone?
Speaker 1: Right? And do you feel congratulations on Aurora? Oh?
Speaker 2: Thank you. Christ's looking after right now. I was like,
Speaker 2: I do this podcast, Please look after Herry.
Speaker 1: We'll get you back to her soon. Has she been
Speaker 1: sick at all so far?
Speaker 2: No, she hasn't. It's funny because it's like for me,
Speaker 2: I'm hesitant with doctors, but for her, I'm like I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm normal. I'm like, if she's sick, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take her to the doctor. If she's fine, there's
Speaker 2: no reason too, you know. And also it's like I'm
Speaker 2: not doing it alone. Ken is also there with me,
Speaker 2: So that's kind of like that I'm grateful that I
Speaker 2: am at that point where It's like I'm not projecting
Speaker 2: my mistrust on dry or care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious when she gets sick. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: what she doesn't, but just anything in common, if that is,
Speaker 1: will be a trigger for you. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know that I definitely ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, you know, is this shot needed?
Speaker 2: Is this normal? Is this standard? I definitely question a lot.
Speaker 2: I asked a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: You're a mom, then take everything that's happened to you
Speaker 1: out like your normal, especially it's your first born. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. I remember my first two. They would
Speaker 1: just barely like sneeze and'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we have to go to the emergency room. Like it
Speaker 1: was always a big deal. And I know, you know,
Speaker 1: becoming a parent it puts into such perspective our parents.
Speaker 1: I know. I felt like when I had my first baby,
Speaker 1: I felt differently about my mom because I saw like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is everything changed. Yeah, did your relationship
Speaker 1: with your mom was put into a different light when
Speaker 1: Aurora was born?
Speaker 2: It was in a pretty impactful way. I she was
Speaker 2: probably about three weeks old to three weeks old, and
Speaker 2: I was sitting in the rocket chair and I was
Speaker 2: feeding her and I was folding her and I just
Speaker 2: love looked at her. And as I was holding her,
Speaker 2: it was like I got hit by a truck of emotions, anger,
Speaker 2: disappointment in my mom looking at how like how much
Speaker 2: I love my daughter. I'm like, I could never imagine
Speaker 2: how anybody could hurt, harm or do anything to their child,
Speaker 2: their own flesh and blood like what my mom did
Speaker 2: to me. And it was like I felt like I
Speaker 2: had hit a level where I was coming to forgive her.
Speaker 2: I was coming around to claim myself as healed. And
Speaker 2: that happened, and then I'm like back to square one,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like I never I'm choosing to never
Speaker 2: let my daughter go through anything like what I went through.
Speaker 1: I feel like when any of us have kids, we
Speaker 1: definitely the mother daughter relationship is one of the most
Speaker 1: complicated ones. Like it's definitely different than a mother and
Speaker 1: their son. As you'll see, Do you want more kids?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: I do, but we will have to use IVF for
Speaker 2: our next one because the one medical condition that I
Speaker 2: actually do have, it's called micro deletion one Q one
Speaker 2: point one. So it's just a long word for I'm
Speaker 2: missing a small piece in each of my first chromosome,
Speaker 2: so that is something that could potentially be passed down
Speaker 2: to every child that I have. My child, every child
Speaker 2: that I have, has a fifty to fifty shot of
Speaker 2: having it. Aurora has been tested and she came back negative,
Speaker 2: thank God, so it was not pastor her. But as
Speaker 2: a preventative measure, we will go through IVF for our
Speaker 2: next one.
Speaker 1: Do you want a boy?
Speaker 2: We do want a boy girl?
Speaker 1: The perfect formula. I know I had one boy, one girl,
Speaker 1: and then I kept going and going and going, and
Speaker 1: you know, at five, I like, if I could just
Speaker 1: have one more, have six, I'd have three boys and
Speaker 1: three girls. But yeah, like a big family you want
Speaker 1: just too?
Speaker 2: Probably just too I say that now. You never know
Speaker 2: what the future holds, but just two for now.
Speaker 1: On the horide, do you think you will forgive your
Speaker 1: mom one day? If you've been close to it? Do
Speaker 1: you think it could get closer?
Speaker 2: I think close to it, so I think I could
Speaker 2: get back there. I think the important thing that brings
Speaker 2: me closer to forgiveness is you know the fact that
Speaker 2: she was a victim, but not only my victim. She
Speaker 2: was also victimized by her grandfather, I mean her father,
Speaker 2: which was my grandfather. She suffered child abuse herself. I
Speaker 2: feel like that humanizes her in my mind, and I'm
Speaker 2: able to relate a little bit on that level. So
Speaker 2: looking at her, not as you know, the mother that
Speaker 2: abused me, the mother that kept me from having a
Speaker 2: normal life, looking at her at a different angle is
Speaker 2: I think what's going to get me there? And I
Speaker 2: talked to a Munchausen by proxy expert and the one
Speaker 2: question I kept having that I never knew and didn't
Speaker 2: have any clarification on is was my mother aware of
Speaker 2: what she was doing? Was there that culpability there? And
Speaker 2: the expert told me yes, she was aware. People that
Speaker 2: have that are aware of what they're doing. So unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that's just something that, like now, I have to kind
Speaker 2: of cope with and that's a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: Do you feel the need to defend your mom?
Speaker 2: Yeinning I did. In the beginning. I kind of was
Speaker 2: like I had just got arrested and I didn't want
Speaker 2: my mom's memory tarnished. I was still in this kind
Speaker 2: of I hate her, I love her friend of mine,
Speaker 2: So it was like I didn't want people to look
Speaker 2: at her like a bad mom, because I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: nothing left of her but a memory. You know, at
Speaker 2: the end of it all, there's nothing left but our reputation,
Speaker 2: our legacy, and what is hers. So it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't like it when people call her a bad person.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say she was a perfect person.
Speaker 1: She wasn't.
Speaker 2: But I also it's not their place, and then it
Speaker 2: can go what I went through to talk about my mom?
Speaker 2: Does that make.
Speaker 1: Sense one hundred percent? Because everyone has an opinion, and
Speaker 1: when it's your own human you feel the need to
Speaker 1: defend on any level. I mean, obviously what you went
Speaker 1: through is extreme, but everyone, like I think personally, if
Speaker 1: someone like, uh talks shit about your family member, you're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: wait wait wait.
Speaker 2: No, it's mine.
Speaker 1: I can feel that way because I go through it,
Speaker 1: have been through it. You it's like off limits. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Did you obviously you're on text and everything. Did you
Speaker 1: ever look up online symptoms of what your mom had?
Speaker 1: I didn't because while she was still alive.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't, because it's like I thought my mom
Speaker 2: was like literally just you know, I just about that
Speaker 2: she was just that way. I tossed it up like
Speaker 2: she's a controlling, helicopter bad mom that you know, it's
Speaker 2: just so controlling. So I didn't really know that there
Speaker 2: was a diagnosis for it, and then that other moms
Speaker 2: and other caregivers and other parents have this. I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was a thing.
Speaker 1: Was there anyone in your outside circle slash inner circle
Speaker 1: during that time? Like did you have friends? Did you
Speaker 1: have people you talked to?
Speaker 2: Was there was, you know, people that were friends with
Speaker 2: my mom and there were people that, you know, I
Speaker 2: felt like maybe I could trust on a certain level,
Speaker 2: but then the fear of would they tell my mom
Speaker 2: would always my mind. As for like other peers, I
Speaker 2: didn't go to public.
Speaker 1: School and your homeschool.
Speaker 2: I was homeschooled.
Speaker 1: To homeschool you, h Yeah.
Speaker 2: She homeschooled me from like like a young age, so
Speaker 2: maybe eight years old, and then there was no schooling
Speaker 2: after that. There was like no public school, no homeschool,
Speaker 2: nothing after the age of eight, and I got my
Speaker 2: ged in prison.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I've watched everything on you and
Speaker 1: not a stalker, the whole world just watch everything on you.
Speaker 1: I want to read your book, but it's just you
Speaker 1: are so well spoken.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you that.
Speaker 1: I was curious about the schooling because it didn't from
Speaker 1: what's been put out there, it didn't appear that you did.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you're so smart and so informed
Speaker 1: and to speak so well that I thought, oh, for
Speaker 1: sure she did. So you got your GD in prison.
Speaker 2: Yes, I had to start from the ground up, because
Speaker 2: when I got to prison, I basically I knew how
Speaker 2: to add small numbers. I knew how to like write, read, write,
Speaker 2: but my problem was not good. It's like I would
Speaker 2: I would make a grocery list and I would spell spaghetti,
Speaker 2: spaggy spaggymules and stuff like that. So I had to
Speaker 2: learn multiplication, division.
Speaker 1: You know, all of it from the ground.
Speaker 2: Wait till you start getting into polynomials.
Speaker 1: I had to learn all of that. Now that you're
Speaker 1: I mean, your parole is up in tomorrow, day after tomorrow, tomorrow, sorry,
Speaker 1: forty forty eight hours, My goodness. Would you ever go
Speaker 1: to college?
Speaker 2: Like to to go to a trade school. I've always
Speaker 2: had an interest in hair, makeup, nails, so I would
Speaker 2: love to do something with a cosmetology license. There is
Speaker 2: a cosmetology school. There's actually a couple in New Orleans
Speaker 2: that I have looked into.
Speaker 1: So maybe that would be amazing. By the way your
Speaker 1: nose looks bomb, thank you. I'm very happy had rhinoplasty before.
Speaker 1: Was that just a game changer? It was? I thought
Speaker 1: you looked beautiful before. It really doesn't.
Speaker 2: Don't even try lie, It's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not lying. Okay, your profile was iffy. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I look back on it. I you were great.
Speaker 2: Because like I liked you know, I did so much
Speaker 2: mind the front. It was just the side profile and
Speaker 2: I always been teased because of my nose. And finally
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I used to you?
Speaker 1: You didn't see anybody? No, my mom used to oh
Speaker 1: my mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back into trauma. But yeah, my mom would point
Speaker 2: out things on my body that you know, and just
Speaker 2: like make fun of me. So yeah, but.
Speaker 1: What else was trauma? Oh my gosh, our mothers can
Speaker 1: fuck us up so much. I know what else did
Speaker 1: she say? Wasn't that was not good on you?
Speaker 2: Well, it's like my my my thighs. She's to say
Speaker 2: I have thunder thighs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know? Is that just her generation though? And not
Speaker 1: knowing how and no filter no.
Speaker 3: No, but like for Aurora was like, but no, I
Speaker 3: mean it might be like it's just one of those
Speaker 3: things that like, I don't know, I think that my
Speaker 3: mom's holy Emmo was try and take away any sort
Speaker 3: of femininity, any sort of I feel pretty, I feel confident.
Speaker 3: And that's how like she would knock me down is
Speaker 3: by keeping me in this world of like I'm not pretty,
Speaker 3: I'm not sh enough, I'm not this. And so coming
Speaker 3: out of prison, I had like, arely any self esteem.
Speaker 3: And also like coming out of prison, I got on
Speaker 3: social media and there was all these people judging me
Speaker 3: and basically making me a celebrity overnight, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not a celebrity. I'm not I don't think of
Speaker 3: myself as a celebrity.
Speaker 2: I'm just a person. And I didn't expect to come
Speaker 2: out to such a big platform and so trying to
Speaker 2: do like little cute selfies and stuff like that, I've
Speaker 2: learned really fast that there are people that will not
Speaker 2: take their shoe off to tell you you have a
Speaker 2: bag ass.
Speaker 1: Nose, Like yeah, so social media is like evil evil?
Speaker 1: They can yes, it can be a very positive experience
Speaker 1: in empowering and you can create your own platform. And
Speaker 1: but there's that side to it, the haters, and it's
Speaker 1: just and it's hard not to read. You know, people
Speaker 1: saying stay off social media, just don't read comments. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to read comments because take the bad out
Speaker 1: of it. I want to read the good. I want
Speaker 1: to see what I can do. Like you know, there's
Speaker 1: that so exactly and now you wrote a post or
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it. It was on what date?
Speaker 1: Was it? On June ninth? You wrote what I thought
Speaker 1: was a beautifully written post.
Speaker 2: You the post is actually meant for the next day.
Speaker 2: I ended up posting.
Speaker 1: Early on the tenth because.
Speaker 2: It would have been yeah, so it would have been
Speaker 2: on the tenth, but I just write the post early.
Speaker 2: But oh, you look very nice.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make this about me. But I
Speaker 1: commented on that post and I wrote beautifully said with
Speaker 1: the heart. I mean, I get haters left and right,
Speaker 1: but the amount of haters I got from writing that
Speaker 1: comment what like someone making people are making TikTok videos
Speaker 1: like I can't believe you. Yes, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And I stand by it. I didn't say in the
Speaker 1: comment whether I agree or disagree with anything that's happened
Speaker 1: in your past, and it's that again, that's not my
Speaker 1: place to agree or disagree. That's your story. But I
Speaker 1: was just saying I thought your words were beautiful and
Speaker 1: it was eloquent and very powerful, but it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: what you get is ten times but it was just
Speaker 1: one little inkling of like, wow, oh you're jumping on
Speaker 1: her bandwagon, right, And so many people called me and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, take down that comment. And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't want to, Like, I
Speaker 1: stand by what I said.
Speaker 2: And thank you for that.
Speaker 1: I looked.
Speaker 2: I did look because you know, I kind of wondered,
Speaker 2: you know, if you would take the comment down or not.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have blamed you if you took it down.
Speaker 2: But I remember when I had posted a video and
Speaker 2: Demi Lovado had posted a comment and she got just
Speaker 2: as much backlash and she ended up deleting the comment.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame her for it because it is
Speaker 2: kind of like, I am a controversial figure and I
Speaker 2: don't want anyone to receive backlash just because little old me.
Speaker 2: I don't want that for anybody. So it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: if they do take it down, I understand, but it's
Speaker 2: because volumes if you keep it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when I connect with someone, I connect with them,
Speaker 1: and yeah we connected. And I totally stood by that.
Speaker 1: So whatever, people can say what they want to say.
Speaker 1: They don't know. That's the thing. Nobody knows because no
Speaker 1: one's walked in your shoes exactly. Oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: are you to do in forty eight hours?
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Well, I do have a party
Speaker 2: get together with some of my friends, so I'm excited
Speaker 2: about that. We're gonna go to New Orleans. I get
Speaker 2: to have my first alcoholic beverage. I've never drank in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Because on your own parole, you can't drink alcohol.
Speaker 1: You can't drink, you can't write it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you have any recommendations, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to get.
Speaker 1: He was, Oh my gosh, what should you get? I
Speaker 1: don't know, because you don't even know if you like fruity,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you like go easy on me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So the first thing I ever had
Speaker 1: was called a pink lady, okay, which is so old school.
Speaker 1: I think i'd seen it in like some nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: like movie like I don't know, and I don't really
Speaker 1: know what it was, Okay, And the second thing was
Speaker 1: like a whiskey sour because my mom always drank it. Okay,
Speaker 1: did your mom drink?
Speaker 2: She didn't know. She may have when she was younger.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but she didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking in a bad way. I'm just I've.
Speaker 2: Never seen her drink. Huh. Didn't smoke, didn't drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of times we tend to
Speaker 1: have a beverage that is like something reminiscent of our
Speaker 1: childhood that we grew up with. Not that you'd want
Speaker 1: to reflect on that with a nice freedom drink, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Try a whiskey sour all right.
Speaker 2: I will try that for you.
Speaker 1: Because it almost tastes like a fruity with a sour.
Speaker 1: Do you like sour?
Speaker 2: I like sour patch kids.
Speaker 1: Seem Okay, that's my favorite. Okay, Okay, Oh, so you're
Speaker 1: a sour candy not a chocolate person.
Speaker 2: I do like chocolate too, but it has to be
Speaker 2: milked chocolate.
Speaker 1: Some milk chocolate exactly. I'm very skeptical of people that
Speaker 1: like dark chocolate. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just tastes funny.
Speaker 1: It's nice, it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me of those like x lax laxatives.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you want to eat for fun.
Speaker 1: That's funny. You should try a shream chocolate. Just kidding.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. I actually don't. But
Speaker 1: licorice okay, not really red or black if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one, red, okay. Well, I'm liking all your answers,
Speaker 1: Like we're like super similar. Okay, savor or sweets.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's sweet.
Speaker 1: We just became on friends. We were were such fast friends.
Speaker 1: Now again