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Speaker 4: Sports Radio. But the guys are out. They filled in

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Speaker 4: for Dan Patrick this morning, So you get Dan Byer

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Speaker 4: and me Monty Bilanios for a little on air B

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Speaker 1: Isaac still waiting for my check on that bay by the.

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Speaker 4: Way, Yeah, you're gonna wait a long time. Our producer

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Speaker 4: Bo Benson over there, excited that Lebron James is back.

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Speaker 5: Don't put me on the spot again. I can't lie

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Speaker 5: to our loyal listeners. I'm not excited he's back.

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Speaker 1: Utah j Us Low Watch twenty twenty five, Low Watch

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. We forgot to bring that back. I know.

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Speaker 5: I guess we lay watched last nights.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we did.

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Speaker 4: We did, and Ryan Smith on the ones and twos,

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Speaker 4: Papa bear to everyone else except me?

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Speaker 1: Did should can Scataboo have? They've could have written a

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Speaker 1: better script for him instead of pushing him on Monday Night?

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Speaker 6: Right, Yes, no, like everything was fine. He knew what

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Speaker 6: was going to happen. They go over things like this,

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Speaker 6: he will do with it. He didn't really push him,

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Speaker 6: push him like, it's all just like he took it well.

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Speaker 6: He was never to any type of danger. This is

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Speaker 6: all blown out of proportion.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not blown out of proportion because you could

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Speaker 1: have gotten the same effect. There didn't have to be

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Speaker 1: a scuffle. There didn't like we know that the scuffle

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Speaker 1: isn't real. We are more interested in the beef. So

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Speaker 1: camp Scataboo standing up, you know what I mean? Put

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Speaker 1: your mind out of the gutter. I didn't even think that. No,

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Speaker 1: the only one that laughed out.

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Speaker 4: Loud with the mic on right like not to himself.

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Speaker 4: We are mine?

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Speaker 1: How do you have the highest laugh on a show

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Speaker 1: with MANSI like, man, that's amazing, that's fair. That was

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Speaker 1: that was out of nowhere. They didn't have to push him.

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Speaker 1: We got the message by them going face to face, Dan.

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Speaker 4: What if I called in sick and told you, oh

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Speaker 4: I have I have a sore throw, I can't speak,

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Speaker 4: and you then see a video of me karaoke like

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Speaker 4: that's what this is true?

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Speaker 1: Stories actually happened. So yes, oh it's not.

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Speaker 4: Because of it.

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Speaker 7: Why didn't you be like I thought?

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Speaker 4: You couldn't talk? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I can't talk, but I can sing?

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Speaker 4: But I can sing?

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Speaker 1: Please play Total Eclipse of the Heart.

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Speaker 4: Yes, or what's another one? Eminem?

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Speaker 1: And that's not singing?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: But what is it with doctor Dre? What's that song?

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Speaker 9: Boh?

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Speaker 4: Come on?

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Speaker 5: Forgot about you?

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Speaker 4: Forgot about Dre? That's what I would be doing in

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Speaker 4: a karaoke All right, I'm over there. The point is.

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Speaker 4: The point is there are things you can't do if

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Speaker 4: you call.

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Speaker 1: Us exactly that you aren't a good look.

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Speaker 4: It's just not a good look. You can do whatever

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Speaker 4: you wants, it's not a good look. Don't know your

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Speaker 4: eye over there, Rian Smith?

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Speaker 1: You know what else is not a good luck? The

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Speaker 1: look is always talking about yourself. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: I need to give Shador Sanders a break, but somehow

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Speaker 1: it always comes back to him, and today named the

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Speaker 1: which happens a lot. He's the next man up. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's part of the business in the NFL. Yes, But

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders is the starter in Cleveland Manci and he

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Speaker 1: was asked about how he's going to handle his first start.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to handle the week, and I

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Speaker 1: was going to handle the game against the Raiders. This

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Speaker 1: is what Shador had to say to reporters when he

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Speaker 10: My development, you know, is a player and everything and

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Speaker 10: mentally everything has to speed up due to the situation.

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Speaker 10: I did everything I need to. I'm doing everything I

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Speaker 1: And that's great. You know.

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Speaker 10: I like pressure. I'm just excited for everything. So I

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Speaker 10: But you know, you just have to be able to

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Speaker 1: Got to speak. I get the confidence, I get the

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Speaker 1: belief in yourself. I understand all of that. He is right,

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Speaker 1: His game does have to speak on Sunday. He does

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Speaker 1: have to step up to the to the plate. But

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Speaker 1: no matter the outcome come Sunday, Manti, there is gonna

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Speaker 1: be one group of people who are extremely happy, and

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Speaker 1: of people who are extremely disappointed. We don't know yet

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Speaker 1: because right now in the National Football League, shad Or

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Speaker 1: Sanders is probably the most polarizing player in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: with camps on both sides that want to point out

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Speaker 1: But he's not the only player like in that microscope,

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Speaker 1: film that have this sort of backing. And I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: that there is this crowd of people who will still

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Speaker 1: quarterback for whatever reason, completely ignoring what we've seen on

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Speaker 1: another part maybe that I don't think it's as much

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Speaker 1: in the Shadure case. There may be people rooting against

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, but it just hasn't been there yet. You

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Speaker 1: get hoolarizing opinions about two young quarterbacks in the National

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Speaker 4: Kellanny Sais. The first thing is, I would hate to

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Speaker 4: the scrutiny, the pressure that you are under, unless you

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Speaker 4: are a rookie quarterback that got dropped into a situation

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Speaker 4: that's different where you knew you were going to sit

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Speaker 4: and you were going to learn. But the ones I

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Speaker 4: get thrown into a situation where it's like, we want

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Speaker 4: you to go play and help us win when this

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Speaker 4: is your first he's in the NFL. I know for

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Speaker 4: j J McCarthy he got hurt last year, but you're right,

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy, from what we've seen, there's there's not a

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Speaker 4: lot of positive it To me, it looks like JJ

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Speaker 4: which is unfortunate. Because he sat a whole season, you

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Speaker 4: the NFL. But I the only the only thing that's.

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Speaker 7: Different, I really feel like with JJ McCarthy, and maybe

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Speaker 7: why the criticism is not as loud as it is

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Speaker 7: got got drafted by the Vikings and people were like, really,

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Speaker 4: No, he wasn't higher on many people's lists. He played

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Speaker 4: at Michigan, were they won not because of him?

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Speaker 1: Well that that may or may not be the case,

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Speaker 1: but he was. I mean, he is a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: But there were other teams that were interested in JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy airsick, yes, yes, yes, as crazy as that sounds,

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Speaker 1: that there was a narrative around him. Now he didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean he fell back because obviously Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels and Drake may were picked before, and Michael

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Speaker 1: Pennix was actually picked before he was. But the Vikings

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Speaker 1: spot to make sure so he was wanted. He was wanted.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that were questioning whether JJ McCarthy would have been a

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Speaker 1: good quarterback. We didn't start to question Shadu or I

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Speaker 1: the draft process, maybe when we started to hear about

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Speaker 1: the botched interviews, the negativity there. But then the extreme

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Speaker 1: When mel Kiper has him as a top prospect and

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Speaker 4: Right doesn't go until days later and ever since, I

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Speaker 4: think you hit it on the thing where it's like

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Speaker 4: the story of Shador, though, has been the front story

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Speaker 4: for a while now, it's been pushed in front of

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Speaker 4: our faces. Well, JJ McCarthy has kind of been able

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Speaker 4: At this point, though, should JJ McCarthy receive the same

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Speaker 4: criticism or are you more questioning what the Vikings were

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Speaker 1: I what I think is I think that they're the

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Speaker 1: With JJ McCarthy, there are people who are blind to

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Speaker 1: what they are seeing. Okay, with Shador, we haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it fair. So there's like there's this bit of an

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Speaker 1: end up saying that they're right, even though both will

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Speaker 1: the other with JJ McCarthy his absence to me last year,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been been in a great fashion, considering the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacking moves that they've made or decided to make, and

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Speaker 1: even flirting with Aaron Rodgers this past offseason, ultimately deciding

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Speaker 1: to go with JJ McCarthy. They aren't even necessarily convinced.

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Speaker 1: And I would say that that when we look at

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, I just don't know how you can support

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Speaker 1: the guy right now in the quarterback that I compare

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Speaker 1: him to. And it's not apples to apples, but it's

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Speaker 1: not Shudoor Sanders. It's Anthony Richardson of the Colts. So

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is in his third year. We've seen Daniel

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Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones ends up winning it partly because Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson wasn't available because of injury. And now it looks

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Speaker 1: like the Anthony Richardson era in Indianapolis is over. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson came into the NFL with one season of college

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Speaker 1: football starting under his belt, and there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of talk about him trying to develop into that quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't and be one of the reasons why was

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Speaker 1: because he wasn't healthy. So that also stands to say

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Speaker 1: why the JJ McCarthy timeline in the sands of that

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Speaker 1: hour glass are running out because if he stinks, now

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Speaker 1: you've already waited long enough and you can't use the

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Speaker 1: injury as an excuse because guess what, now it's a

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Speaker 1: part of who he is as a player. So now

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Speaker 1: you're trying to develop an injury prone quarterback there right

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Speaker 1: now just isn't getting the football to the players that

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Speaker 1: need be. Like, so the clock is taking on JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy with ample evidence on why people would want to

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Speaker 1: jump ship. And no matter what other people say, and

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Speaker 1: I mean Manuelaccho says he has the clutch gene because

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Speaker 1: of his comeback that he had against the Bears again

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Speaker 1: Well, Caleb Williams just has the physical traits that are

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Speaker 4: It's Covino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. But

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Speaker 4: the guys are out. I am onto Bilanos. He is

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Speaker 4: Dan Byer a little on Airbnb as the guys filled

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Speaker 4: in for the Dan Patrick Show this morning.

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Speaker 1: Did I tell you about Sunday and my Survivor Pool?

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Speaker 11: I think you did Tooni, Okay, so cause I saw

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Speaker 11: you on Sunday yeah, so survivor pick I picked the

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Speaker 11: Steelers over the Bengals, so I'm locked in the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Bengals And I even said to Montigne at the studio, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm running to get something to eat. I'll be right

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Speaker 1: back right So I drive two blocks. I don't, but

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Speaker 1: I just didn't want to walk two blocks. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get back here. I wanted to get back here

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Speaker 1: in time, and it was more than two blocks, but

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Speaker 1: it probably wasn't more than four. The point being is

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Speaker 1: I wanted to drive down quick. So in the three

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Speaker 1: minutes that it took me to get here, to hop

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Speaker 1: into my car and to drive to the place, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to find out what was happening with the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Bengals game. And I'm like, let's get an update because

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Speaker 1: I need the Steelers to win. This is I gotta

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Speaker 1: stay alive. And the first thing that pops up on

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Speaker 1: my phone is Steelers dB Jalen Ramsey has been ejected

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Speaker 1: for throwing a punch, and I thought, of course, now

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Speaker 1: the Steelers were winning at the time, but I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: if Jalen Ramsey's out in that portion of the game,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have the details of what happened. When I

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Speaker 1: found out the details, I understood why. But that's how

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Speaker 1: I was notified that Jalen Ramsey got ejected on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when that story came out, then he was ejected

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Speaker 4: because he swung the first the first tweet was he's

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Speaker 4: ejected because he swung at Jamar Chase, and you were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: why would he do that? You look up the video.

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Speaker 4: There's video he swings on him, and you're like, oh, yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I was a clear swing at Jamar Chase. That's why

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Speaker 4: you rejected. Okay. Oh wait, he's claiming Jamar Chase spit

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Speaker 4: on him. And then Jamar Chase comes out and is like,

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Speaker 4: I didn't even open my mouth. I didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: And then more video okay, and.

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Speaker 1: Then the video comes out and you see the saliva

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Speaker 1: absolutely however you want to categorize it, but goes flying

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Speaker 1: in Jalen Ramsey. And while most coaches after a Sunday

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Speaker 1: will do their post mortem on Monday, get all the information,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and the Steelers they talk on Tuesday, and

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin was asked about the situation with Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase yesterday about Ramsey's ejection from the game,

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Speaker 1: and this is what Tomlin had to say.

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Speaker 9: I have no message, and someone spits in your face,

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Speaker 9: what comes natural.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I know there people are frustrat with Pittsburgh's inability to

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Speaker 1: get back to a Super Bowl. I know they're frustrated

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Speaker 1: with their inability to maybe be the level of the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. However, it is that reason why so

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Speaker 1: many teams and so many players would bend over backwards

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Speaker 1: to play for Mike Tomlin. And honestly, considering how bad

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Speaker 1: the tenure went with Aaron Rodgers in New York, with

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Speaker 1: his hand picked offensive coordinator, with the people that he liked,

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Speaker 1: and everybody bowing down to him, it didn't work out

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Speaker 1: with the Jets. Yet now Rogers isn't the same quarterback

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Speaker 1: that he once was, but there have been no issues

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers or issues of infighting with the Steelers

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Speaker 1: because that relationship is solid. There's respect on both ends,

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Speaker 1: and it's why everybody loves Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: Great point, because I think at the start of the

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Speaker 4: season I wondered how tho two egos were going to

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Speaker 4: mesh well, because you know, Aaron Rodgers wants to be

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Speaker 4: the face of the team. He is in charge of it. He's,

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the unks. He probably feels that way,

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Speaker 4: but so is Mike Tomlin. I always wonder how that

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Speaker 4: was gonna work. And you're right, there have been no issues.

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Speaker 4: We've heard none of that. In fact, the Steelers are

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Speaker 4: at the top of their division when I think many

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Speaker 4: people dismiss them at the start of the season. But

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin, not only does he keep your team above

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Speaker 4: five hundred, not only does he keep your team in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs at least. Yeah, he has your back, yes,

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Speaker 4: and that is the biggest part of it. He's got

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Speaker 4: your back. And I have no problem with what he said.

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Speaker 1: If he was at another team or another organization, they

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Speaker 1: probably would have moved on, like let's be honest, but

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers don't operate that way. I also don't

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Speaker 1: think that I think that Mike Tomlin would have much

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Speaker 1: more leeway than another coach would be even if it

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Speaker 1: was a different franchise and if you wanted to get

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Speaker 1: a fresh start. But we've seen, we've I've seen Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame level head coaches move on. Pete Carolyn Seattle

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Speaker 1: I mean, brings them a Super Bowl as well, and

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Speaker 1: it comes a point where they're like, all right, we

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Speaker 1: need to kind of go in a different direction. That

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened in Pittsburgh. I've told you, Moncie, I've said

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Speaker 1: on the network, even as a Seahawks fan, if I

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Speaker 1: could have one coach or the coach that I do

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Speaker 1: really like, and I just I hate to say it,

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Speaker 1: it's Sean McVay. I just think that Sean McVay is

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Speaker 1: is so in tune with everything. He's so good offensively

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Speaker 1: in doing what the Rams do, and I think that

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Speaker 1: he works with his players just so well that if

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Speaker 1: Seattle didn't have Mike McDonald and they could make any

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Speaker 1: other other coach in the league, I'd love for them

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Speaker 1: to have Sean McVay. But like you take out the

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Speaker 1: offense like portion of it and just be of who

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Speaker 1: they are and setting the culture like it's it's Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of teams that would, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they would, they would if Mike Tomlin ever became available.

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Speaker 1: That comment right there is why other owners would be

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Speaker 1: running to his door to make him their head coach.

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Speaker 4: I think I love that you brought up Sean McVay

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Speaker 4: because I agree. I think he is a really good

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Speaker 4: coach and I think anyone would would swoop him up

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Speaker 4: if they had the opportunity. Same thing with with Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 4: but for very different reasons. Like I feel like with

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Speaker 4: Sean McVay, the guys see him as one of the guys.

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Speaker 4: They respect him, but they see him as one of

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Speaker 4: one of them. And I feel like with Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 4: obviously there's respect, but Mike Tomlin is more like he's

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Speaker 4: not one of the guys. He is there to oversee

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Speaker 4: the guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sean McVay is.

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Speaker 4: One of the guys I feel I'm just you know,

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Speaker 4: this is my take from being an outside a fan

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Speaker 4: here of the NFL that it just seems that way.

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Speaker 4: So for very different reasons, they have the support of

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Speaker 4: their players and yeah, Mike tom Like, I feel like

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin is probably quietly scary. Sean McVay is probably

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Speaker 4: gonna yell at me and be scary out loud. I

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Speaker 4: feel like Mike Tomlin is gonna yes, and Mike Tomlin's

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Speaker 4: just gonna give me a little yeah and no word,

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Speaker 4: and it's going to terrify me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it'll tear you apart, it will tear me apart.

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Speaker 1: But then this is the flip side that, all right,

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Speaker 1: somebody punches in your spits in your face, you do

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Speaker 1: what you gotta do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would. If somebody spin in my face,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I would do. I would not

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Speaker 4: be able to keep it cool.

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Speaker 1: And this is like Jalen Ramsey hasn't been a choir

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Speaker 1: boy throughout his career. No, We've seen him get into

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Speaker 1: altercations and having words, But in this scenario, Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: realizes that it's justified and and has his back. And

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Speaker 1: that's the like, that's the ultimate thing that you would

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Speaker 1: want in a head coach, especially with a veteran player

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Speaker 1: like Ramsey. But for Mike Tomlin to to almost turn

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Speaker 1: the other cheek and look the other way and all right,

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Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, it's really cool.

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Speaker 4: It is in the In the few words that he used,

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Speaker 4: he made his point very clear. You didn't have to

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Speaker 4: have a backup question. You got what he was saying, Yes,

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Speaker 4: follow up, there's no follow up. You exactly knew what

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Speaker 4: he was trying to tell you with six words.

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Speaker 1: Yes, gosh, he said, oh I forgot what he said

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Speaker 1: last year that was so good. It was he's he's

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Speaker 1: become the master of sound bites, whether he's tried to

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Speaker 1: be or not tried to be. But there was a

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Speaker 1: sound bite, but I can't even remember. But those words

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Speaker 1: that you just heard from Mike Tomlin were very, very effective.

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Speaker 4: There's that that gift, that meme where it's like, we

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Speaker 4: do not care. Yeah, yeah, that's maybe we do not care.

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Speaker 1: Yes, just the tone of the whole cadence of it. Huh, magnificent.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the Steelers. They beat the Seahawks in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty and they should never have, so I

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Speaker 1: still have this angst towards them. But Mike Tomlin cool dude. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Isaac long Crown' is a cool dude. He's here to

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Speaker 1: give us the latest. What's happening on a Wednesday where

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Speaker 1: we've got quarterbacks in and out and everywhere. What's going on, Isaac?

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Speaker 8: That's right, Dan, And honestly, we will start with all

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Speaker 8: those quarterbacks, including with the Cincinnati Bengals, because Joe Burrow

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Speaker 8: was a full participant in practice today for the first

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Speaker 8: time since sustaining a toe injury that caused them to

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Speaker 8: miss the last eight games. Meanwhile, Joe Flacco a limited

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Speaker 8: participant in practice today due to a right shoulder injury,

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Speaker 8: staying in Ohio. The Cleveland Browns named rookie Shadoor Sanders

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Speaker 8: their starting quarterback for Sunday's game at Las Vegas. Jets

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Speaker 8: named Tarrod Taylor their starting quarterback for Sunday's game against Baltimore.

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Speaker 8: The Atlanta Falcons confirmed quarterback Michael Pennix, Junior will need

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Speaker 8: season ending surgery for a partially torn left acl. The

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Speaker 8: Los Angeles Rams play safety Quentin Lake, tight end Tyler Higbee,

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Speaker 8: and offensive lineman Rob Havensnein all on injured reserve today.

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Speaker 8: The San Francisco forty nine Ers signed placekicker Matt Gay

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Speaker 8: through their practice squad. Finally, dand Monsei. In college football,

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Speaker 8: James Franklin held his introductory news conference at Virginia Tech

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Speaker 8: earlier today, which is trending not because of anything Franklin said,

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Speaker 8: but because of an unnamed booster who has heard laughing

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Speaker 8: a little too hard at anything remotely funny that Franklin said.

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Speaker 1: Listen closely.

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Speaker 3: Plays just seem to work better when you got really

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Speaker 3: good players.

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Speaker 1: We had a running back we had a running back

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Speaker 1: at Penn State. Maybe you guys have heard of them

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Speaker 1: named say Kwon Barkley. Coaches get a lot of credit,

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Speaker 1: but this is this is a player's game. My favorites

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Speaker 1: are high production and low maintenance players, coaches and staff.

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Speaker 4: This can of this is a This is not a guy.

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Speaker 1: On stage with him? Was that? Was it Franklin's mic?

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Speaker 1: That was picking. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 8: It had to be somebody who was relatively close to him, Mike.

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Speaker 8: That's why everyone thinks it was a booster. But the

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Speaker 8: mystery is on on social media. They're identifying private planes

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Speaker 8: there now, identifying the laugh patterns of boosters.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the they laughing that goes on

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Speaker 1: in press rooms.

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Speaker 5: It's always so true.

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Speaker 1: When that coach or makes a joke that isn't that

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Speaker 1: funny but ha.

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Speaker 8: And honestly, earlier in my career I was way guilty

658
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 8: of that. A player or coach said something remotely fun

659
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Speaker 8: just like Virginia check laugh out last right, and.

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Speaker 1: Then you live. You live twenty years in broadcasting and there's.

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Speaker 8: You don't cry a smile because your heart, your heart

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Speaker 8: is cold.

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Speaker 1: You do it to hide the tears. That's what you do. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: not tears from laughter, just kidding.

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Speaker 4: You know, Dan, If you fired me and I got

666
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Speaker 4: this giant buyout, the last thing I'm gonna go do

667
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Speaker 4: is get a new job so fast.

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Speaker 1: Well, they negotiated a bio.

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Speaker 7: Yeah no, no, no, no, I'd be like, all right, y'all,

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Speaker 7: I'm taking a year off.

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Speaker 4: Holler at me.

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Speaker 1: They got it down to nine million dollars they did.

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Speaker 4: I know, but you could. Why are you take a second?

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Speaker 4: Why are you taking a job so fast?

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Speaker 5: Is there a reason why he negotiated his bio down?

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it. I'm assuming there's a reason.

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Speaker 1: Well, I I think that there wasn't there offset language

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Speaker 1: in in the uh yeah yeah yeah, so essentially, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the financials were on the Virginia

680
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Tech deal, but it was a win win for both sides. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like if he got another job,

682
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: this is what would happen, right, the buyout would, yes.

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00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: But but there was Yeah, like Michael Scott, win win win.

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00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: It's not a win lose win. This was a win

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Speaker 1: win win. But I don't have the financial numbers.

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Speaker 5: I'm taking all that money, I'm.

687
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Speaker 1: Taking a vacation right, I'll talk to you in a year.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go walk around or something made me go

689
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 5: coach at Blacksburg, Virginia kidding.

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Speaker 1: Me, well, I'll tell you. You know, Isaac's talking about locker rooms,

691
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure covering Virginia Tech football probably hasn't been

692
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Speaker 1: fun for the last couple of years. I always tell

693
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Speaker 1: the story of when I first started out in the broadcast.

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00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: My my first like duty was to cover the Brewers,

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00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: and I would do it on a weekend basis because

696
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I was based in Madison, and I would go this

697
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: is when the Brewer's stunk. This is three four, And

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I would be there for the Saturday Sunday homestand games,

699
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: and the just locker room was miserable. Ben Sheets would

700
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: go out and throw eight innings of one run ball.

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00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: They'd lose, you know, two to one. Nobody's happy, nobody's

702
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: hitting people. It's just it was miserable. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: till about I don't know, in June, because I wasn't

704
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: there every day, but I was. I was there on

705
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the weekends that when they won, they played music in

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Speaker 1: the locker room and they all of a sudden won

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00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: a game that I was. I'm like, oh my goodness,

708
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: this is crazy. And I came in and there was like, oh, okay,

709
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: this is why we got music going on. Otherwise it

710
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: was like a morgane. Yeah, it was a funeral. When

711
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: you get those bad locker rooms, you don't want to

712
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: go in there. Gosh, everybody the play by played people.

713
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Everyone just wants the season to end right and just

714
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: to get over with. So yeah, it's tough to deal with.

715
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: And then the players are like, do you have any questions,

716
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: You're like.

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00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: No, I hate I don't have any answers for you either.

718
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they are bad. So maybe fake laughter, yeah

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: can cover up those tiers. There are no fun She's

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Speaker 1: Monty Belanio, so I'm Dan Bayer. It is Cavino and

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Speaker 1: Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. Shador Sanders is going

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Speaker 1: to start for the Browns against the Raiders coming up

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. There are now prop bets on Shador's first start.

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Speaker 1: We'll dive into those monci next here on Cavino and

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Speaker 1: Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what's up, everybody? Cavino and Rich Fox Sports

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Speaker 4: Radio guys, We're in for Dan Patrick. So it's me

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Speaker 4: Anti bilanyasen Dan Bayer here. As we wrap up the show,

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Speaker 4: a lot of talk about Shador Sanders making his first

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Speaker 4: official NFL start debut, because we know he came in

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Speaker 4: injured in the second half this past week, his first

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Speaker 4: official official start, and the numbers, the betting props are

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Speaker 4: already a thing.

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Speaker 1: They're already out there, and we've got some of them

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Speaker 1: on hand. Our executive producer Bo Benson can give us

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Speaker 1: some numbers on I know the Raiders are a four

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00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: point favorite, but there are other bets that we can

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Speaker 1: make specifically on Shador.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Of course, in twenty twenty five, you can bet

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Speaker 5: on everything, including first pitches. As we've learned in speaking

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Speaker 5: of Cleveland, this start one, this is just good will

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Speaker 5: Cleveland have an offensive touchdown in week twelve, Yes is

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00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: minus six hundred. No is plus three point fifty. So

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00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: Shuldar Sanders's going to go out there and just not

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Speaker 5: do anything for forty five minutes, sir.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't have one against the Ravens last week, right,

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Speaker 1: and I mean it's minus six hundred for Yes. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I know the Raiders have Max Crosby. But

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: at least some point, maybe Quinch.

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Speaker 4: And Judge say it doesn't have to necessarily be Shador

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00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: yes who provides this offensive touchdown.

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Speaker 1: There's probably gonna be a Geno Smith interception Ryan Papa

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Speaker 1: Bear at some point, but that wouldn't be offensive. But

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Speaker 1: at least an interception that could set the bronze up,

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00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: it will be very offensive.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I think I think Brian No mentioned on Countdown

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Speaker 5: that one of his favorite props is yes on Geno

766
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Speaker 5: interceptions because it happens almost every single week.

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: So feels that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what is Shoudar Sanders throw first? A touchdown plus

769
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: one to ten or an interception minus one forty?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's that that's hard.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's almost not fair.

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Speaker 1: You're getting minus money on the interception, which is crazy

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say touchdown. I think it'll be very conservative.

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Speaker 1: And so if he does, if they get that offensive touchdown,

775
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Speaker 1: which is minus six hundred, then I think that it

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00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: could be a pass play, could be a bootleg, could

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Speaker 1: be just Harold Fannin out there two yards touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Browns would love that for my fantasy team because Sam

779
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: Laporte is injured. Would love that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm with Dan. I feel like they're gonna

782
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Speaker 4: set him up for success. What happens after that is.

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Speaker 1: You know, would you have been surprised if the line

784
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Speaker 1: was plus three hundred on if he throws the touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Like like, that wouldn't have shocked me. I know it's

786
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Speaker 1: like way out there, but this is only plus one ten.

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Speaker 1: If it was plus three hundred, I would have been like,

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Speaker 1: and I know that sounds very disrespectful to should do.

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Speaker 1: It's not meant to be, but I would have been like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's the Browns.

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Speaker 5: If you took his name off of it and you

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Speaker 5: just said a fifth round rookie quarterback for the Cleveland

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Speaker 5: Browns to throw a touchdown, you would not get us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, correct, Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 5: Uh, let's see uh over under sacks taken three and

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Speaker 5: a half.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's over. Max Crosby may have three and a

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Speaker 1: half by by.

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Speaker 4: Himself, by himself. Yeah. How many times did he get

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Speaker 4: sacked in this past week?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think at least twice. I watched a couple happen.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Longest completion over under twenty seven and a half yards.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll take the over on that one. Based on

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Speaker 4: the very short sample side, I feel like he wants

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Speaker 4: to throw the ball.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he wants wants to throw it deep.

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Speaker 4: He wants to throw Yeah, he wants to throw deep exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's kind of a there's the no conscience throwing

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Speaker 1: deep feel. Plus we saw him he did it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it Fannin on the on that one.

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Speaker 10: Yay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go the over on that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Completion percentage fifty seven and a half over and over under.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, gosh, now we just talking about him

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Speaker 1: throwing long, so I'm gonna say he completes it, but

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of them will be shorter. I

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Speaker 1: would I would say yes, I would say I would

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Speaker 1: take the over on that.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's gonna be under but not by

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Speaker 4: a lot, like he will be over fifty percent, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's pushing sixty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do we do passing touchdowns?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: Over under half a passing touchdown? So is he going

828
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Speaker 5: to throw a touchdown against the Raiders?

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Speaker 4: I do think he will throw one touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you have to. Yeah, I think so too,

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Speaker 1: after just seeing what the Raiders provided against the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a different story, but yes, I would

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Speaker 1: say I would take the over as well. And what

835
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Speaker 1: about the excuse me passing yards? Do we have passing yards?

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Speaker 1: I believe is it's right here somewhere and a half

837
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Speaker 1: under under. There's no way he throws for two hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: No way, unless there is a screen pass that goes

839
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Speaker 1: for seventy eight yards for a touchdown, there's no way

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Speaker 1: it's over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be over one fifty five

842
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Speaker 4: under two hundred, but it would be like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Somebody writes the tackle seventy eight a week twelve win

844
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Speaker 1: against the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're thinking, Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the plenty of lines, and I'm telling you

847
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: that's going to be the focus of so many eyes

848
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday Mancia. It's been fun. We'll do

849
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Speaker 1: it again always if you know what to rich back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow here on Fox. Bye.