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Speaker 1: And really it's it's the only even playing field that

430
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Speaker 1: we have, Tony, right, where everyone's on the same field

431
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Speaker 1: and the same circumstances, on the same turf, and you

432
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Speaker 1: can really measure some of this stuff and you have

433
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Speaker 1: every decision maker in that room seeing one cornerback move.

434
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: Five seconds later they see another cornerback move. And it's

435
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,959
Speaker 1: really the only time where you have these guys all

436
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Speaker 1: in front of you at the same time and you

437
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Speaker 1: can really compare them player to player. Well, you know,

438
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Speaker 1: the testing, the forty, the vertical jim, those are basically

439
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Speaker 1: athletic tests. That's what they're looking at. And all things being,

440
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: all things being equal, all things being even the better

441
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Speaker 1: athlete is gonna win out of times. And when you

442
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Speaker 1: talk to scouts, they look at players, they look at

443
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: the prospect and they say, what does he do well?

444
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Speaker 1: While if he's a real good athlete and we got

445
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Speaker 1: the testing to back it up, that's something he does well.

446
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: So you they feel they can coach that. You know,

447
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: the position drills. We've talked about this, you know, we

448
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 1: talked about it when we talk the top five defensive players.

449
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, now they have to do NFL

450
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Speaker 1: techniques in the position drills. You know, the pensive backs

451
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: constantly side shuffling down the field. You know, they have

452
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: a test where they gotta backpedal tanyards, flip their hips

453
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Speaker 1: and run another ten yards and they get time for that.

454
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Speaker 1: So the position drills. Now, all of a sudden, they

455
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Speaker 1: go from the comfort of just do what you do

456
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: well in the college field to know this is what

457
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Speaker 1: you have to do in the NFL. You have to

458
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Speaker 1: practice these techniques and they want to see that on

459
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Speaker 1: the field at the combine and crac These are things

460
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Speaker 1: these coaches look for in practice every day from their guys.

461
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Speaker 1: So these position coaches watching these position drills will probably

462
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Speaker 1: get a pretty good feel but whether or not these

463
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Speaker 1: prospects can do what they're gonna be asked to do

464
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Speaker 1: in their specific systems. And look, the best gms right

465
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Speaker 1: are not gonna pick players their position coach says can't

466
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Speaker 1: play for us, right, So that's important here in these

467
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Speaker 1: drills to show these position coaches that, to Tony's point,

468
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Speaker 1: that these players can do what they're gonna be asked

469
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Speaker 1: to do at the NFL level. Listen, my most stressful

470
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Speaker 1: time with changing my technique and everything was actually with

471
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Speaker 1: the sounds. They savor cats all my savor Cat stuff

472
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Speaker 1: behind me, and we actually won the Arenable that year

473
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Speaker 1: two fifteen. But they switched up all of my technique

474
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Speaker 1: and I it took me a couple of months for

475
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Speaker 1: it to click and figure out. It was such a

476
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Speaker 1: frustrating process. I think at some point, like, man, do

477
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Speaker 1: they d that pay me on his money? Do they

478
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Speaker 1: even me here? You know? And they's because they swished

479
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Speaker 1: everything up, and it was so hard to kind of

480
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Speaker 1: catch you on too. Now imagine me having months to

481
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Speaker 1: kind of catch you on and eventually clicked. These guys

482
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Speaker 1: have a day where, not even a full day of

483
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Speaker 1: where you're being asked to do stuff totally different sometimes

484
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Speaker 1: than what you've been asked to do previously, and you

485
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Speaker 1: can look kind of funny doing it at times. I remember,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, I brought up Josh Jackson on the last episode,

487
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Speaker 1: but Josh Jackson, he looked funny just working a back pedal.

488
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Speaker 1: It looked like it was foreign to him. It looked

489
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Speaker 1: like something he had no idea how to do it.

490
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Speaker 1: And and then you know, these guys, they're taking notes.

491
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Speaker 1: And again going back to some of my workout days

492
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Speaker 1: with these NFL scouts, remember the Philadelphia Eagles having a

493
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Speaker 1: private workout with them. It's just me and it's fifty

494
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Speaker 1: or sixty people from their front office watching my every move.

495
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Speaker 1: And if you look funny doing things, you just you

496
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Speaker 1: just see them do this check things off, and it's

497
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Speaker 1: just you you just feel it like, oh man, like

498
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Speaker 1: that's not good. And I'm pretty sure guys like Jackson

499
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Speaker 1: where they's getting that back pedal, something has foreign to

500
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Speaker 1: them and they haven't really been coached up to do

501
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Speaker 1: it can feel a little weird and and that you

502
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Speaker 1: just kind of that sense starts to settle in on

503
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Speaker 1: I didn't do too good in that, And that's not

504
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Speaker 1: a good feeling, not in that moment. What are the

505
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Speaker 1: drills Tony that you think are and and and and

506
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Speaker 1: we'll get to the pure athletic testing in a second.

507
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Speaker 1: What are the drills that you think the most valuable

508
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Speaker 1: fans are watching NFL Network on TV for them to

509
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Speaker 1: watch that all the position coaches are watching. That will

510
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Speaker 1: really get him a feel for what you know, some

511
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Speaker 1: of these players might be able to transfer to the

512
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Speaker 1: NFL level. It depends on the position and is on

513
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Speaker 1: the player. A guy like Drake Jackson. Is the forty

514
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: important for Drake London? Up? Sorry? The receiver from USC

515
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: is the forty important for him? Yeah? But you know

516
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: what's more important the three cone as well as the shuttle,

517
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: because that will tell you know, does he have that

518
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Speaker 1: change in direction? Can you move from left to right quickly?

519
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: You know, what is his route running going to be like?

520
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Speaker 1: As well as the position drills? How is he doing it?

521
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Speaker 1: How is he running round during position drills? Is he

522
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Speaker 1: gathering but before he gets into his brakes? Is he

523
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Speaker 1: chopping his steps? Is he's chopping his footwork? Or is

524
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Speaker 1: he inting out of the brakes quickly staying low on exit?

525
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Speaker 1: So I don't think I think it's you can't broad

526
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Speaker 1: rush you. You You gotta look at the position, and you've

527
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Speaker 1: got to look at the player. You know, some guys

528
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Speaker 1: are gonna be really fast in a straight line, But

529
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Speaker 1: how do they do with the three going? How do

530
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Speaker 1: they do with the shuttle? How do they do you know,

531
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Speaker 1: changing direction during the position drills? How about you? Yeah?

532
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Speaker 1: I think you know, just trying to decipher, be doing

533
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Speaker 1: what's important for a player and what's not not. Just

534
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Speaker 1: alsoone and post something on social media Cooper Cup and

535
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Speaker 1: his pro day numbers, and you know you're at a

536
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Speaker 1: four sit I mean, excuse me, combine numbers. You're at

537
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Speaker 1: a four six two. That's not ideal, right, but look

538
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Speaker 1: at some of the other numbers. His short shuttle was

539
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: extremely get it was like six seven or something like that.

540
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Speaker 1: So the show is, hey, he has that short area equickness,

541
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Speaker 1: get in and out of brakes in that way and

542
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Speaker 1: change the direction. Maybe let's have the uh legit speed

543
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: to be in the pure outside receiver. But you know what,

544
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Speaker 1: because he tested well in these areas, we can put

545
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Speaker 1: him in the slot. Well, now he looks like one

546
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Speaker 1: of the best receivers in the NFL. Does a lot

547
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Speaker 1: of his work out of the slot. But the short

548
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Speaker 1: area equickness, the smarty understanding of how to settle and

549
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Speaker 1: sit in his own he's pretty much perfected those type

550
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Speaker 1: of things that I think it starts with his ability

551
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Speaker 1: to have that short area quickness that you saw at

552
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Speaker 1: the combine with the numbers that he posted. So I

553
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Speaker 1: think part of the two is kind of deciphering what's

554
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Speaker 1: important for players, Like Tony said, yeah, I think everybody

555
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Speaker 1: talks about the forty the ten yards split, is that

556
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Speaker 1: just as important because split is an indicator how quickly

557
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Speaker 1: a guy can get off the line and Cooper Cup

558
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he runs the four or six, but

559
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: if he is, you know, slightly a tenth faster than

560
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Speaker 1: everybody else is in that tenured split that means he

561
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Speaker 1: gets off the line quicker that means he gets immediate separation.

562
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Speaker 1: The quarterback can get the ball to him right away

563
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Speaker 1: because he's open, no question. All right, So let's talk

564
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Speaker 1: about some of these specific you know numbers and drowsy

565
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Speaker 1: gett for positions. And I think you know, the one

566
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Speaker 1: thing that's pretty consistent in the league. If you want

567
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Speaker 1: to be a good edge rusher, you better be a

568
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Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. Like it's hard to be a great adge

569
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Speaker 1: resser and not be a great athlete. And I know

570
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Speaker 1: one of the numbers that I've seen that closely correlates

571
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Speaker 1: a lot of that is the three cone drill for

572
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Speaker 1: for those you know edge guys that are coming out

573
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Speaker 1: of the three point stands and does change the direction,

574
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Speaker 1: some bends, some explosion. Uh Why Tony and do agree

575
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Speaker 1: first of all that that's really important for that spot.

576
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Speaker 1: And if you're looking for an edge rusher, what are

577
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Speaker 1: some of the other numbers you're keeping an eye on

578
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: where athletic testing is really important for that spot? Well,

579
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Speaker 1: it's important because it basically almost simulates it mimics you know,

580
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Speaker 1: what an addresser has to do. You gotta make a

581
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Speaker 1: almost a forty five ninety to return. I'm sorry. You

582
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: gotta keep your balance, you gotta keep your speed, you

583
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: gotta stay on your feet. So you know, again, when

584
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Speaker 1: he's making the turn in the three cone, is he

585
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Speaker 1: gathering into the turn or is he able to keep

586
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Speaker 1: his momentum and balanced. So yeah, it's important again, I

587
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: go back to the tent ton. The ten ti the

588
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Speaker 1: ten split is very important for a UH, for an

589
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Speaker 1: addressier because it shows it's kind of simulates his ability

590
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Speaker 1: to get off the snap and get that first step

591
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Speaker 1: on the point. The guy's got a slow ten time

592
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Speaker 1: and you can't get that first step on the offensive tackle,

593
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Speaker 1: and you're an edge dresser, you can have problems at

594
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Speaker 1: the next level. Obviously, you know the vertical jump. They

595
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: don't do vertical jumps in the NFL, but it does

596
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Speaker 1: show explosion. It just show lower body explosion, the ability

597
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Speaker 1: to basically blast off the snap. So the ten time,

598
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Speaker 1: the three cone time. I also like to see the

599
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Speaker 1: vertical jump and also the UH the broad jump as well,

600
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Speaker 1: not because they knew it during the NFL game, but

601
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Speaker 1: because it's a representation of lower body explosion. Also, I

602
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Speaker 1: think for edge dressers that that ten yards split. I

603
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: think it's very important for those guys showing that get off.

604
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Speaker 1: One of my guys, my guy io, uh dog shout

605
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: out to my guy Io. He trains a lot of

606
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: defensive lineman addressers things like that, and he emphasizes almost

607
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: exploding off of the ball in the track stance to

608
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Speaker 1: get up field right now. And you know, when you

609
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: watch these guys, you want to see how they get

610
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Speaker 1: out in that ten yard split. You know, I talked

611
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Speaker 1: about uh nick bos maybe not being the most freakish

612
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Speaker 1: athlete in the sense of his uh straight line speeds

613
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: for your dash ramp like for eight, but his tenure

614
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Speaker 1: split was extraordin here. And that's I think one thing

615
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Speaker 1: that really kind of translates for some of these guys,

616
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, that's what's gonna be important for him because

617
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Speaker 1: we know he's not a speed guy, or maybe his

618
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: pursuit won't be as good as his teammate David Najabo,

619
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Speaker 1: But how does he get off in that tenure uh

620
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Speaker 1: stretch right here? What's his time and how does that

621
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Speaker 1: measure up with some of the other d dreshers. Think

622
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be important for him and not just him,

623
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Speaker 1: but a guy like George Carloft is as well that

624
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: might have some athletic questions, you know. And I'll be

625
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: honest with you, you you guys, I know people are obsessed

626
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Speaker 1: with the forty yard dash for wide receivers and all

627
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it's important. I'm not saying it's not.

628
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: You gotta run, you gotta be fast. I think the

629
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Speaker 1: league is more of a change of direction league now

630
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: than it is a straight ahead speed league. Like I

631
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: want to see those short shuttles. I want to see

632
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: that three cone drill. You mentioned the short shuttle with

633
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Speaker 1: with Cooper Cup Croc and I agree a thousand percent

634
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: because to me, the more you can change direction without

635
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: slowing down, that's how you force miss tackles, that's how

636
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: you create separation in your routes in addition to your speed.

637
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: And I think unfortunately, those are some of the drills

638
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: that a lot of these guys don't do. Like almost

639
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: everyone runs the forty, you see a lot of guys

640
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: skip some of those change of direction drills. Tony and

641
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Croc and I I think that might expose some of

642
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: those weaknesses. Now, there are guys that can overcome that.

643
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Remember DK Metcalfs three cone was historically awful. But the guys,

644
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Speaker 1: you know six five to forty and he's just a

645
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Speaker 1: freak running down the field and contested catches and body

646
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Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. So we can make

647
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Speaker 1: up for that sort of stuff. But I think we'll

648
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Speaker 1: with John. I mean, he ran four or three low

649
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Speaker 1: for three, right, So maybe his change of direction isn't

650
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: that of a Cooper Cup, but he doesn't have to

651
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Speaker 1: be because I can win in a different way. So

652
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Speaker 1: I think also a figure out how does the guy

653
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Speaker 1: win and does he have any other elite trades. Maybe

654
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Speaker 1: it's not a short show, but hey, if I can

655
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Speaker 1: win vertically, or I can run away from guys on

656
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: crossing routes, or I can use my four or three

657
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: speed to push vertical and give the illusion that I'm

658
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: running the go route and sit down, it's gonna naturally

659
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Speaker 1: create that separation for me on outside vertically pushing routes.

660
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: So I think you also have to kind of figure

661
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: out who who is the player and how is he

662
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: going to win, and then that's gonna kind of measure

663
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: what's more important for a guy. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at a lot of the best quote unquote receivers or

665
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Speaker 1: route runners in the league. They're not four or three guys. Right.

666
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Speaker 1: You look at Davonte Adams, there's a four or five guy.

667
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Speaker 1: Look at a guy like uh uh, Mike Thomas wins. Yeah,

668
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Speaker 1: And Mike Thomas, we're on the same page here he wins.

669
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Speaker 1: Not not a four four a guy. Look at a

670
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Speaker 1: guy like um Keenan Allen. He's one of the best

671
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: runners in the league. Not a four or forth. A

672
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think you've in a four seventh

673
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Speaker 1: at a pro day, So you know. A lot of

674
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Speaker 1: it is, uh, can you have high end controlled speed?

675
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Speaker 1: So regardless of if I can, is there anything more

676
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Speaker 1: annoying than having to run to the store and freezing

677
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Speaker 1: just going to three different grocery stores that you forgot

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Speaker 1: the toilet paper and refuse to enter yet another parking lot.

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690
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Speaker 1: I run and still be able to break off my

691
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: route at a high speed? Can I have higher controls

692
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: being and those guys they can win with routes regardless

693
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: of not having the elite time speed. You know, the

694
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: forty yard dashes, you know the Olympic event at the

695
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: UH that that that the that the NFL network wants

696
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: to see it. It's for programming. It's always been there

697
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: and it's a mark of athleticism. But John, getting back

698
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Speaker 1: to your point about why a lot of these guys

699
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: don't run the three com why they don't run the shuttle.

700
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Speaker 1: Those are the last events that they do at the

701
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Speaker 1: combine that any player will do. They will do the

702
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: forty one, the position drills, they'll do the Verton in

703
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: the show first. Those are the last events and go

704
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Speaker 1: back to whatever can I were saying about how the

705
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Speaker 1: combine is grueling, You know, four or five days of

706
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Speaker 1: you know, morning, noon, and night for these guys. So

707
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Speaker 1: what happens is, and this is not to make excuses,

708
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys like, you know what, I'll

709
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: just do it at my project. If you're gonna run

710
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Speaker 1: a six seven five or six seven eight the three column,

711
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it at the combine. A lot of

712
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: these guys by the time time that they by the

713
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: time it's time, by the time it is time for

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Speaker 1: them to do the short shuttle the three con even

715
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Speaker 1: a launch of some of you know we talked about

716
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Speaker 1: then show is also a sixty shot up for the

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Speaker 1: dbs and the receivers. They say, you know what, I'm

718
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: just spent I'm gonna do with my protect Yeah, that's

719
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Speaker 1: interesting because I do think that's I think you put

720
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Speaker 1: the best Eric, to be honest with you, when you

721
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: look at all these test things, right, and guys can

722
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Speaker 1: win in different ways, but you have to see a

723
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Speaker 1: way where the guy can win, right, Okay, can you

724
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Speaker 1: win with his power if he's a defensive line of

725
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, great? All right, is he really bendy off

726
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: the edge? You talk about that hoop dro tony when

727
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: you run around the hoop, right, you see the kind

728
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: of ankle flection, how much their ankles are flexible. Things

729
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: like that. You know, if you're a receiver, you're winning

730
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Speaker 1: with quick this year, winning with speed. You know, I

731
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Speaker 1: think you gotta find that one way that each one

732
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Speaker 1: of these guys can win. All right, So let's get

733
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Speaker 1: to this class specifically Tony. As we got about ten

734
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Speaker 1: minutes here to go. You can either start with an event,

735
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: you can start with interviews, go wherever you want. Guys

736
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Speaker 1: that you think are really trying to help themselves here

737
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: as they had to Indianapolis to help their draft stock.

738
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Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing is the Alabama receivers in

739
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Speaker 1: the medicals. We talked about the importance of the medicals.

740
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Speaker 1: Both thing he's got coming off from major knee injuries.

741
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be you know, they're gonna be tested. They're

742
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Speaker 1: gonna be m R ride and and maybe X ray

743
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, at the combine this week, and then they're

744
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Speaker 1: gonna be called back for the medical re checks, which happened,

745
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Speaker 1: you know, in the beginning of April, right before the draft.

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Speaker 1: And then Tony very quickly, just for fans, this is

747
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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams and and MATCHI correct, correct, both of those

748
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Speaker 1: guys who you know, I'm sure as every viewers know,

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Speaker 1: the guys who hurt their knee in the semifinal game

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Speaker 1: as well as the national championship game. The medicals are

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Speaker 1: utterly are critical for those guys because it will determine,

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Speaker 1: you know, was it a clean terror is he gonna

753
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Speaker 1: be a quick recovery or is it gonna be a

754
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Speaker 1: little bit longer. We may not get this guy back

755
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Speaker 1: intol October. As far as the you know, the players,

756
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to see Kenny Pickett, want to

757
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Speaker 1: see his arm strength compared to the other guys. That

758
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Speaker 1: that's one of the beauties of the combine is you know,

759
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a quarterback they're throwing fifty sixty

760
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Speaker 1: seventy passes like he will be hit his pro day.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna have quarterback going right after each other.

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Speaker 1: Go sometimes I'll be throwing side by side. So I

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Speaker 1: want to see how Kenny Pickett's arm strength is compared

764
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Speaker 1: to the other quarterbacks. For the other strong arm quarterback

765
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Speaker 1: as the top of the class, whether it be League Wills,

766
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Speaker 1: whether it be Matt Corrall, will it be Carson Strong

767
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna be something I'm looking at. Uh. Some of

768
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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman Cameron Jerkins, who I feel is one

769
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Speaker 1: of the best zone blocking linemen in this draft. How

770
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Speaker 1: much does he wait? I'm told he's gonna be closer

771
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Speaker 1: to three hundred pounds, where his playing weight was closer

772
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Speaker 1: to two pounds, So a three hunderd pounds? Does he

773
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Speaker 1: have good forty times a good tennisplits? I should say,

774
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Speaker 1: does he? Is he moving well around the field? Is

775
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: he moving with bounce or is he all over the place? Uh?

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to see as as well as

777
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Speaker 1: the measurements. I mean, how tall is uh? Andrew Uh?

778
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Speaker 1: Andrew Booth of of of Clemson? You know what is

779
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Darryl Deryl Derek Stingley like after not playing too much

780
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Speaker 1: football in the past two years? Those are gonna be

781
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Speaker 1: some interesting questions that have to be answered. How about you, Croc, Yeah, definitely,

782
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Speaker 1: I mean right away, I want to hopefully we get

783
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Speaker 1: some insight on, you know, his interview process and how

784
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: that whole thing goes. I know a lot of people

785
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: are gonna be interested in that. Roger McCrary cornerback. I

786
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: think he has to run very well because you know

787
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Speaker 1: the arm, the arm length, they're gonna knock him for that.

788
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Speaker 1: The slight built, they're gonna knock him for that. If

789
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Speaker 1: he doesn't run extremely where, they're gonna pigeonhold him into

790
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Speaker 1: a just a pure nickel. And I think he has

791
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Speaker 1: outside ability regardless of the lack of length. I think

792
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Speaker 1: he can play all over the field. I think it's

793
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Speaker 1: film is tremendous, but we all know forty r dash

794
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: more so than anything. It's gonna cost you money, doesn't

795
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: mean they don't like you, right. I think back a

796
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: few years ago with Jarvis Landry ran like four seven

797
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Speaker 1: seven or something crazy like that. But he still in

798
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Speaker 1: second round because they like you. They will take you

799
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Speaker 1: at some point regardless of how you test. But Roger McCarry,

800
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Speaker 1: it's just four year Dad's gonna cost him money because

801
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Speaker 1: some of the other areas where he's not as ideal that,

802
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Speaker 1: especially with the land I want to hear about the medicals,

803
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Speaker 1: and you talked about medicals, Tony. But Matt Correll, how's

804
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Speaker 1: that ankle that he's dealing with and is that going

805
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: to check out? Well? Another one, Drake London, he was

806
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: in the midst of having a historically great season far

807
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: as receptions goes and yards and things like that. A

808
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he had the most contested catches in

809
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Speaker 1: college football and didn't even play like the second half

810
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Speaker 1: of the season. But how are his medical is gonna

811
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Speaker 1: come out with his ankle? Is he gonna be able

812
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Speaker 1: to perform and he's gonna be able to do all

813
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Speaker 1: the testing there? And if he is, again, like Tony said,

814
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Speaker 1: what does that three cone look like? Um? And then

815
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Speaker 1: George Carlo again another guy who you know, I'm curious

816
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Speaker 1: see how he tests. What is that gonna look like

817
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: I did for the my last guy, Tya Lindeball, because

818
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Speaker 1: he for a guy that's probably projected to be the

819
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Speaker 1: top center in the league and coming out in his class,

820
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: and he is tremendous with a movement everything. He's two

821
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Speaker 1: hundred ninety pounds and he came out and said openly, yeah,

822
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Speaker 1: six two d nine pounds. That's not as ideal even

823
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Speaker 1: for a center. The height that won't be an issue,

824
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Speaker 1: but that size, you know, you can be two ninety

825
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Speaker 1: playing in college football and now you gotta go up

826
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Speaker 1: aginst You know, guys like Aaron Donald and in the

827
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Speaker 1: anterior and are you gonna be pushed around by somebody

828
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Speaker 1: that's more, I think than You're stronger and quicker than you.

829
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting to see. So, uh, those are

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Speaker 1: some of the things I'm interested to, you know, see

831
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Speaker 1: on the you know, storylines as far as the uh,

832
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Speaker 1: the draft combine books. And you gotta remember one thing

833
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: about the medicals is we're never really gonna enough. I mean,

834
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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear snippets of information, but you're not gonna

835
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Speaker 1: get the medical great. And the other thing is it

836
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: varies from team to team. I mean not all teams.

837
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Speaker 1: If let's say John Metchi's nee isn't good, not all

838
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Speaker 1: teams you're gonna strike them. Remember Laton Vanderesh, I mean

839
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Speaker 1: Laton Vanderash a couple of years ago with stingers and

840
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Speaker 1: the neck. There were some teams that flag him when

841
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: you when you get flag, it's usually a round or

842
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Speaker 1: two penalty because of a medical issue. And then there

843
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of teams like the Dallas Cowboys who

844
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Speaker 1: said it's fine. Well Tony and Tony last year is

845
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Speaker 1: he was Oglari is a perfect example. He was a

846
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Speaker 1: first round pick until people saw that knee at the

847
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Speaker 1: combine and then all the stunt he's around you guy,

848
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: right exactly. But but see the thing with oh Jelari

849
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Speaker 1: is you could tell that most of the teams in

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Speaker 1: the league. I thought it was a major issue, which

851
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: is why he fell so far. Go back to Montes.

852
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: What they were talking about. Montes, what after that hard

853
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Speaker 1: issue where you know he was gonna be a Day

854
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Speaker 1: two pick. He could fall into the fourth round. The

855
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Speaker 1: Washington football team, the Commanders, whoever the hector called these

856
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: these days. But otherwise, and you know, it took a

857
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: roll of dice on what happens, what the injury guys is,

858
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: teams will figure at some point in the draft the

859
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: reward outweighs the risk. And even though you know he

860
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: may have medical results or results for medical exams that

861
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: are not exemplary, not what we want at this point

862
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: in time, we're gonna roll of dice on it because

863
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: the reward of this guy on the field is going

864
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: to outweigh the risk of the medicals. Yeah. You know

865
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: the other part of this is threshold, Right, Some teams

866
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: have specific thresholds for measurements and testings for specific positions.

867
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: And I think you know, we even talked about you know,

868
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman much because you know, you think athletic

869
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: testing offensive lineman, you know not who cares about the

870
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: four and all that stuff. But I tell I'll tell

871
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: you when they measure at Quantia, when they measure Charles Cross,

872
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: when they measure Evan Neil Um, wait for Neil is

873
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna be I think a little bit important to see

874
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: how good a shape he's gonna be in. I think

875
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: at Kuanna, you Tony, you think he's more of a guard, right, well,

876
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: how well does he move right? How well does he

877
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: do in in in the three cone, in the lateral moves.

878
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: The people that he does he sell people that he attack. Remember,

879
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: before we got to the combine two years ago, a

880
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: lot of people thought Tristan Worse was a guard. Then

881
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: he worked out, people are like, nah, he's a tackle.

882
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: That was really good. So, you know, I think it's

883
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of important for those top three guys on the

884
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: offensive line for arm length and movement skills, because look,

885
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: if you're gonna measure under thirty three and charges, people

886
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: are gonna say, well, maybe you're not a tackle, maybe

887
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: you do have to play guards. So I think for

888
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: those offensive tackles as we try to sort out what

889
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: order they're gonna go in. Those things are gonna be

890
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: very important for for for that group of guys too.

891
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: One last thing I want to mention about the medicals.

892
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, Chris was talking about Drake London and some

893
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: of the ankle guy guys with ankle injuries. Matt corral

894
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I was talking about the UH the Alabama receivers. Keep

895
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: been on on Carson Strong. Carson Strong had a massive

896
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: knee injury as a senior in high school, and they

897
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: go back to high school high school years and there's

898
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: been speculation that it's a significant knee injury and that

899
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: he could really drop. I've heard that everything from it's okay,

900
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: to the fact that he's got a bone on bone

901
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: which is gonna kill him, to the fact that he

902
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: may need condever surgery. Nobody knows at this point in time.

903
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: But keep an eye on Carson Strong with the UH,

904
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: with the medicals, because you know, it's either gonna be

905
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: okay or he could be one of those guys like

906
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: ziz Ojilari where he's gonna drop significantly because the results

907
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: are not what NFL teams want. You know, Kroc, A

908
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of people right now have Garrett Wilson's a number

909
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. I know some people think that he

910
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: might measure more in that four five forty yard dash category,

911
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: but he's a really good route runner. You can make

912
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: contested catches and stuff like that. How much do you

913
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: think some of this testing could impact the top of

914
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: your wide receiver lists? Yeah, I think big time. And

915
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: again it is not gonna be. You know, a team

916
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: doesn't like you because Garrett wasn't he ran a four

917
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: or five, but the forty yard death it just costs

918
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: you money. And that's what we've seen history workally, especially

919
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: if uh, they want to start nitpicking that certain parts

920
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: of your game. So I think for Garrett Wilson, you know,

921
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: love him and his ability, and I think he runs

922
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: very well on film and speed didn't seem like it

923
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: was an issue. But if he doesn't run as fast,

924
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: it is something I could potentially knock. Now. Last year

925
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, he was a hundred and sixty five pounds.

926
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: They didn't care too much about that. He's still a

927
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: top ten pick. He also, uh, some people were saying

928
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: that he potentially doesn't run it as fast. I think

929
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: he ran fast and he ran fast away from Derek Stingley.

930
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: But you know, some people were saying, oh, he might

931
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: be a four or five type guy, but he still

932
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: went top ten. So I wouldn't worry about it too

933
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: much because I think what people are seeing from his film,

934
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: they really like it. But forty it definitely cost some money. Yeah.

935
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is this is Jamison Williams is one

936
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: of the top receivers in this year's trap. He's not

937
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna test, He's probably he's not gonna test before the

938
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: UH for the draft. So you know with Jamison Williams

939
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: is gonna be a roll of the dice. UH. And

940
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: then after you know, Drake London forty time ten split,

941
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, three con time, Trailan Burke's forty times ten

942
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: split three con time, you know, twenty yard twenty yard shuttle.

943
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: So you want to see it from those guys. It's

944
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting with the receiver position and the testing because

945
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: possibly the top receiver in the draft is not gonna

946
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: work out before the draft, and then you have all

947
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: these other questions about these bigger receivers and how does

948
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: that testing translate to being able to run routes in

949
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: the on Sunday and separate in the NFL Antonio has

950
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: for your suggestion. I did go back this week and

951
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: I watched Olave's first two years of tape, and you're right, Uh,

952
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: much more varied rout Tree I thought. I thought he

953
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: was much more sudden coming in out of his brakes.

954
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: And to see the way he creates separation on a

955
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: straight line, I could see him be one of those

956
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: low for three guys than the forty. He is gonna

957
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: fly and he plays that fast. That's the thing is,

958
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you know you everyone else talk about, you know, forty

959
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: time at the combine, But does a guy play that fast?

960
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: And a love is one of those guys who plays

961
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: as fast, if not faster than his forty times times

962
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: with with Justin Fields skim behind some defenses. Alright, guys,

963
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: final thoughts before um Tony are gonna head out to

964
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: the Combine. We'll do a special hit on Big Blue

965
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: Kickoff five while we're out there. Then we're gonna reconvene

966
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: for episode five, will recap the combine, Uh next Monday.

967
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: Everything that went on JA makes you check it out? Guys,

968
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: any final thoughts before we head out? Kenny Pickett I

969
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: reported this last week on Pro Football Network. Everyone's talking

970
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: about his hand size. They can't get his hand measured

971
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I'm told Kenny Pickett will have

972
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: his hand measured at the Combine. I also learned something interesting.

973
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: His double joint and thumb if you could see my

974
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: hand here, has caused him to have a almost a

975
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: vertical stance of his thumb rather than an outward stance

976
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: as what a quarterback would do when he used is

977
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: the when he grips the football. I'm told that Kenny

978
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Pickett has been doing range of motion exercises to get

979
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: at fum from a vertical stance out to a horizontal stance.

980
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: The bottom line is, I still don't think it's gonna

981
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: be nine inches, which is what a lot of teams want,

982
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna be significantly better than the

983
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: eight and a quarter inches that scouts had him written

984
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: down for when they measured him during junior timing day. So, Tony,

985
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: what are you doing your own personal medical exams in?

986
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: And indeed is it at your hotel? You're renting a

987
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: space at the convention side there? What are you doing?

988
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: I'll pass, I'll wait Tonet the results from you. John. Thanks.

989
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: I've been convince trying to convince those social media people

990
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: to use your thumb rotation as a final clip for Twitter,

991
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: croc your final thoughts head to get to the combine,

992
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, final times. I think everybody knows. I love

993
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: my receivers, my deepest the bags and Traylon Burke's I

994
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: think it's gonna test well. I'm curious see does he

995
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: test as well as I believe he is and some

996
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: other people? Can you run in the four threes? Got

997
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: to be exceptional for him? And then just how he

998
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: looks running routes, getting in and out his brakes, having

999
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: to do some of those things. How did you check

1000
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: the ball in Here's to see that as well? With

1001
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: Traylon Burg's had in Arkansas? How any quarterback stuff you

1002
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: keep an eye? We haven't mentioned them so far myself.

1003
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like I said, I just I

1004
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: just want to see Kenny Pickett's wall speed. Now I'm sorry,

1005
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: corner quarterback, I said, cornerback A corner yeah. Ke Woollen

1006
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: of uh Texas, San Antonio, former receiver. I expect him

1007
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: to test through the chart too, through the roof. I mean,

1008
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna run if he If he doesn't run

1009
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: a low four three he's gonna run the high four two.

1010
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: So you can expect that from Tariq Wall because he's

1011
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: a great athlete. But how does he do in the

1012
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: position drills? Because he's new to position, he does a

1013
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: lot of face guarding. Want to see his back pedal

1014
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: during position drills? Want to see you know, his hip flip. Again.

1015
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about the you know, the forty time and

1016
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: everything else, the position drills are just as important, especially

1017
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: for a position at like the defensive backs. Croc, you're

1018
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: still with this, buddy, I alway still with you. I

1019
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: got a phone call in the middle. That's right. Go ahead,

1020
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: your final thoughts on the corners before we say goodbye.

1021
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: I like I like the Garfield cat that's up there.

1022
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Go ahead, Okay, I'm back, all right,

1023
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: But you guys that throw off my train of thought.

1024
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, twet Willing, that is somebody, and you know

1025
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: I suggested to him. I talked to him out the

1026
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: seeing bowl. Hey, you need to get on Tonio Comarty.

1027
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: You guys are built similar long, tall corners. Give it

1028
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: somebody that understands your movement skills at your ability, and

1029
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I want to be challenging for you. I set that up.

1030
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: Antonio Comarty said, it's all good whenever reason in Texas,

1031
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: we can definitely link up. I'll train them. We'll see

1032
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: if he takes that advice and if you take any

1033
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: of it heading into the combine week so you can

1034
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: kind of be better for here for it. Alright, awesome,

1035
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Tony and I will head out to Indie. We'll be

1036
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: there all week. We'll recap the combine when it's all

1037
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: done next Monday. Make sure you come check out in

1038
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: the draft season and make sure again you go and

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00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,279
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Speaker 1: Giants moll Blapper Johants dot com slash podcast. Make sure

1041
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: you check it out for Tony Pauline of the Draft

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00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Network of from from Football Network, parton Me and Eric

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00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Crocker of the locks on NFL Draft podcast. I am

1044
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,279
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