WEBVTT - What's With The Overheated Rhetoric? Gary Dietrich Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why don't we start there with our good friend

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<v Speaker 1>political uh analyst Gary Dietrich, who has long been part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Armstrong and Getty show. Gary. Welcome, How are

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<v Speaker 1>you hey? Proud to be part of the long legacy

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<v Speaker 1>of angie people. Yeah, so, Gary, let's start with the

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly overheated rhetoric. Have you ever seen anything like it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, guys, I've been talking with people

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<v Speaker 1>about this for months as this has been building, and

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<v Speaker 1>and the numbers sort of proved the overheated rad quotem

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<v Speaker 1>aim by that, Uh Joe, it's that the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are saying I'm destinely going to vote you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really paying attention to selection. Those numbers are off the charts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like at se guy just evened up this week,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats kind of pulled even with Republicans in the so

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<v Speaker 1>called passion quotients. So yeah, i'd say, yes, you have

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<v Speaker 1>seen And of course, guys, it goes without saying almost

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<v Speaker 1>that in the aftermath of the last election cycle, that's

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<v Speaker 1>heightened even further. Well, the reason I'm only want to

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<v Speaker 1>have you honest because I heard you're talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>California's got the two most expensive initiatives they've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get to that, UM, I hit everybody

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<v Speaker 1>with this because I think it's the most amazing poll

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<v Speaker 1>number I've seen this entire cycle. It's an NBC poll

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<v Speaker 1>from a couple of weeks ago. Eighty percent of Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent of Democrats believe that if the other believe

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<v Speaker 1>the other part party is out to destroy America, of

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<v Speaker 1>each side believes the other side's out to destroy America,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you function with that number? Well, Jack, that

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<v Speaker 1>that is probably you know, that's the million dollar question

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<v Speaker 1>that gets buried a lot because of course, beneath that number, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that both sides, I think the other

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<v Speaker 1>side is prepared to quote unquote steal the election, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's the problem. You know, it's well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're blocking poles, they got armed guys that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>voting machines. We're gonna be having, you know, poll watchers.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is absolutely crazy. And of course that

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<v Speaker 1>narrative is already that narrative is already getting prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the Well, the problem with that, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>race to the bottom. It's Ah, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>what would be the right in metaphor or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>if if you believe the other side is going to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy the country, you probably should rig the election. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that was not me saying

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<v Speaker 1>you want if you're historian Michael bes bech Loss and

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<v Speaker 1>you believe children are going to be executed if the

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<v Speaker 1>other side wins, you probably should do whatever you can

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you win. Well, yeah, there's that, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the important thing, guys, is what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on, what's being put in jeopardy really from a

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<v Speaker 1>governance standpoint is we've always had a date certain and

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<v Speaker 1>president of politics in January, right, we have the inauguration,

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<v Speaker 1>We're done, we move on. Everybody's still screams. Everybody screams

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<v Speaker 1>and yells, we're all still upset. But you have a date.

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<v Speaker 1>When you don't have a date, and if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be continually throwing this into the courts at various

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<v Speaker 1>level from Scotus on down, that becomes exceptionally problematic, just

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of not only doing our own governance business

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<v Speaker 1>internally but externally when external countries, external forces. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to know, okay on January or at least gonna who's

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<v Speaker 1>geting you run in the place over there. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>have that. You have to have that. Well, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the lengthening of the the voting process. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's hurting our belief in the vote. I people

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<v Speaker 1>with I'll take people at their best intentions and not

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<v Speaker 1>their worst intentions. That just wanted to more access for

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<v Speaker 1>more people. More voting is always good that idea. So

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<v Speaker 1>will lengthen the hours and the days and make mail

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<v Speaker 1>in battle, But I feel like it's leading to less

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<v Speaker 1>belief in the outcome. Well, I think the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I like about the biggest I think plus to having

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<v Speaker 1>you know, longer voting times and can vote in person

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<v Speaker 1>or you can do it by mail at all, is

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<v Speaker 1>that people at least get to choose what they believe

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<v Speaker 1>to be the most authentic, most reliable means to cast

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<v Speaker 1>their vote, so, you know, and lest people have options,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, apart from that, does it does it

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<v Speaker 1>increase people's confidence in the process. At this junct, you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not well. Yeah, And honestly, Gary, I uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to quipal with you because you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>terrific and everything, but you said, people choose the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the best most trustworthy. No, people choose the most convenient

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<v Speaker 1>way to vote, the easiest way to vote. And to

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, the stretching out of the period of voting

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<v Speaker 1>and the many means of voting now have made it

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<v Speaker 1>has made it much much more difficult to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>Henhouse to ensure the fidelity of the ballot, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm for some compromises. It need not just be paper

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<v Speaker 1>ballots in person on election day. We can, we can

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<v Speaker 1>expand it a bit beyond that. But every step you

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<v Speaker 1>go making it long are and longer, and more and

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<v Speaker 1>more means of voting, the less you can assure people

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<v Speaker 1>the vote is one hundred percent valid. We're sure of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear what you're saying. Hey, here's what. Here's what.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, the challenges is that there is absolutely, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, zero maybe sub zero standard for what is

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<v Speaker 1>their reliable means. In other words, in the past, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of debate of all electronic voting water.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have those kind of machines. You gotta go

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<v Speaker 1>with people, pencils, paper on election date. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions about that now. So the problem is we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any kind of an acceptable standard that any

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<v Speaker 1>you know, two parties can agree on that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one we're gonna go with. Let's put the other

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<v Speaker 1>ones aside. Well, that's why we have to appoint a

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<v Speaker 1>bipartisan commission, give them two years and fifty million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and then have everybody completely ignore the results. That's our

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<v Speaker 1>only have we got. We gotta move on Gary, just

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to round a time, because I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to ask about this. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>everybody around the country knows California and some other states,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you probably know how many have these initiative systems,

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<v Speaker 1>these ballot systems where you kind of in propositions propositions.

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<v Speaker 1>In theory, it was supposed to, you know, take the

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<v Speaker 1>big money out of it and just directly let the

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<v Speaker 1>people decide the big issues. Well, it didn't take the

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<v Speaker 1>money out of it. This time. In California. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>the two most expensive ballot propositions in state history. And

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<v Speaker 1>what are they? Yeah, well there, what a surprise there?

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<v Speaker 1>Over money have to sell a gambling, most notably sports gambling,

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<v Speaker 1>sports betting. Some states, people, what are you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>sports betting? We've been doing that for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>and too and to the back stories really quick. Two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eighteen, Scotus said, you could the states can

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<v Speaker 1>legalized sports betting. Thirty five of those, including and and

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<v Speaker 1>the District of Columbia have done that. But the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>prize of all California White because twelve percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>population lives there, so there's a lot of money reside

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<v Speaker 1>there does not currently have legalized sports betting. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's what this battle is about. Really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pitting two sides. In California. You have legal gaming on

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<v Speaker 1>Indian tribe lands or in casinos owned and operated by

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<v Speaker 1>Indian tribes. That's Prop twenty six. They want to now

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<v Speaker 1>legalize sports betting there. That would have to be in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Prop twenty seven the big competing measure or a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the big boys, the MGMs, the draft Kings, the

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<v Speaker 1>fan duels, blah blah blah to have you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>would tronic sports betting on your Sino cell phone computer wherever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the battleground is. Four million dollars, Why would

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<v Speaker 1>people spend that much? Get this in one The total

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<v Speaker 1>handle for sports betting fifty seven billion with a B

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that's why this is going on right now the polls.

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<v Speaker 1>To see the most recent numbers, I pulled them up

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<v Speaker 1>to share them with you guys today. Just got these

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. They're both going down in flames. Yes, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three for only twenty two. Yes, sixties, I mean yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, sixty four note for Prop twenty seven. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know the ads have been mainly negative, knocking the

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<v Speaker 1>other guy down. But here's the deal end with this.

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<v Speaker 1>If both of these fail, will look like they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to this is not going to be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They will come back that they're already our plans for

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<v Speaker 1>another round next cycle, and the next cycle this thing

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<v Speaker 1>knocked down, drag out to the end's gonna win this.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of questions about this one. I'm kind of surprised,

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<v Speaker 1>so like California all of a sudden, is what fundamentalist

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<v Speaker 1>about gambling? They don't think it's it's just surprising to

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<v Speaker 1>me where they anything goes state? Um and but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it at all because I can gamble

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<v Speaker 1>on anything anywhere, anytime with my phone. What's what's allowing

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<v Speaker 1>it in the state? Even mean, well some I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how all the mechanism happened, Jack, But you're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be able to gamble on your phone within California.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, everybody's laughing here in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, everybody's throwing back their head and laughter

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<v Speaker 1>at the idea that you can't gamble on your phone

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<v Speaker 1>in California. Jack. By the way, Hey, Jack, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the mechan is about what you kind of were wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>pondering why we don't have it yet here the legislature

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<v Speaker 1>and all exquisdom tried to arbitrate this fight in our legislature.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you guys know, almost all these statewide propertitions

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<v Speaker 1>or at least a big dollwins come about because you

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<v Speaker 1>can't get a resolution in the legislature. They tried a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, couldn't for obvious reasons. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>they banged heads together, couldn't get people to agree. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they're on the ballot. The two most expensive

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<v Speaker 1>props in California history are this interesting. Yeah, very strange

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<v Speaker 1>and still a little mystifying to me. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>the tribes right, big giant checks too. They do some

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive lobbying to keep gambling on their side. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>I can bet on every single NFL game, next Major

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<v Speaker 1>League Baseball season, the upcoming golf tournament, and probably two

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<v Speaker 1>kids in a foot race and an elementary school on

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<v Speaker 1>my smartphone right now if I want to. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to, Joe, Well, thank you, Gearty. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've seen this breaking news. There are reports

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<v Speaker 1>people inside Trump circles say he's going to announce tonight

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<v Speaker 1>j d Vance's event that he's running for president. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not even wait till the till the poles are

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<v Speaker 1>closed down. Well, well, no surprise. I pretty much expected it. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after the mid term he's jumping in and that

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<v Speaker 1>will be a discussion for nodcase. That's going to raise

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of new uh shall we say question? Many

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<v Speaker 1>yes or no? Audio? Biden on the ticket for an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute decided I intend to, But of course it's just

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<v Speaker 1>an intention. Okay does that name? Does that sound for me?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Biden's official, Lindes, But guys, all the indicators

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<v Speaker 1>are inside the White House. He's going for it. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, stop, it's gonna be Trump again. I will

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<v Speaker 1>wager any figure anybody can come to California. If Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk texts and said Joe I got a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>says Biden runs, I would take that action. Well if

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<v Speaker 1>if Joe, if Joe makes that gamble in California, I

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<v Speaker 1>will call the police. So so, if you want some good,

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<v Speaker 1>nonpartisan political analysis, to follow Gary on Twitter at Gary Dietrich. Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>It's always great to talk. Thanks. Okay, yes, Art stro