1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Well, why don't we start there with our good friend 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: political uh analyst Gary Dietrich, who has long been part 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: of the Armstrong and Getty show. Gary. Welcome, How are 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: you hey? Proud to be part of the long legacy 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: of angie people. Yeah, so, Gary, let's start with the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: incredibly overheated rhetoric. Have you ever seen anything like it? 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, guys, I've been talking with people 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: about this for months as this has been building, and 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and the numbers sort of proved the overheated rad quotem 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: aim by that, Uh Joe, it's that the people who 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: are saying I'm destinely going to vote you know, I'm 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: really paying attention to selection. Those numbers are off the charts. 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: They're like at se guy just evened up this week, 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Democrats kind of pulled even with Republicans in the so 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: called passion quotients. So yeah, i'd say, yes, you have 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: seen And of course, guys, it goes without saying almost 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: that in the aftermath of the last election cycle, that's 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: heightened even further. Well, the reason I'm only want to 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: have you honest because I heard you're talking about how 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: California's got the two most expensive initiatives they've ever had. 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, UM, I hit everybody 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: with this because I think it's the most amazing poll 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: number I've seen this entire cycle. It's an NBC poll 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks ago. Eighty percent of Republicans 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: eight percent of Democrats believe that if the other believe 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: the other part party is out to destroy America, of 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: each side believes the other side's out to destroy America, 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: how do you function with that number? Well, Jack, that 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: that is probably you know, that's the million dollar question 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: that gets buried a lot because of course, beneath that number, Jack, 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: is the fact that both sides, I think the other 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: side is prepared to quote unquote steal the election, right. 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the problem. You know, it's well, 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: they're blocking poles, they got armed guys that they're not 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: voting machines. We're gonna be having, you know, poll watchers. 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it is absolutely crazy. And of course that 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: narrative is already that narrative is already getting prepared for 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: the Well, the problem with that, you know, it's a 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: race to the bottom. It's Ah, I don't know what 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: what would be the right in metaphor or whatever. But 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: if if you believe the other side is going to 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: destroy the country, you probably should rig the election. Okay, 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that was not me saying 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: you want if you're historian Michael bes bech Loss and 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: you believe children are going to be executed if the 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: other side wins, you probably should do whatever you can 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: to make sure you win. Well, yeah, there's that, But 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: I think I think the important thing, guys, is what's 49 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: going on, what's being put in jeopardy really from a 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: governance standpoint is we've always had a date certain and 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: president of politics in January, right, we have the inauguration, 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: We're done, we move on. Everybody's still screams. Everybody screams 53 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: and yells, we're all still upset. But you have a date. 54 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: When you don't have a date, and if you're going 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: to be continually throwing this into the courts at various 56 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: level from Scotus on down, that becomes exceptionally problematic, just 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: in terms of not only doing our own governance business 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: internally but externally when external countries, external forces. You want 59 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: to know, okay on January or at least gonna who's 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: geting you run in the place over there. You gotta 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: have that. You have to have that. Well, do you 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: think the lengthening of the the voting process. I feel 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: like that's hurting our belief in the vote. I people 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: with I'll take people at their best intentions and not 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: their worst intentions. That just wanted to more access for 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: more people. More voting is always good that idea. So 67 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: will lengthen the hours and the days and make mail 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: in battle, But I feel like it's leading to less 69 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: belief in the outcome. Well, I think the only thing 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I like about the biggest I think plus to having 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, longer voting times and can vote in person 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: or you can do it by mail at all, is 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: that people at least get to choose what they believe 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: to be the most authentic, most reliable means to cast 75 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: their vote, so, you know, and lest people have options, 76 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: and you know, apart from that, does it does it 77 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: increase people's confidence in the process. At this junct, you're 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: probably not well. Yeah, And honestly, Gary, I uh, you know, 79 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: I hate to quipal with you because you know, you're 80 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: terrific and everything, but you said, people choose the you know, 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: the best most trustworthy. No, people choose the most convenient 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: way to vote, the easiest way to vote. And to 83 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: my mind, the stretching out of the period of voting 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: and the many means of voting now have made it 85 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: has made it much much more difficult to watch the 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: Henhouse to ensure the fidelity of the ballot, and I'm 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm for some compromises. It need not just be paper 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: ballots in person on election day. We can, we can 89 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: expand it a bit beyond that. But every step you 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: go making it long are and longer, and more and 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: more means of voting, the less you can assure people 92 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: the vote is one hundred percent valid. We're sure of it. Yeah, 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Hey, here's what. Here's what. 94 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: To me, the challenges is that there is absolutely, as 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, zero maybe sub zero standard for what is 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: their reliable means. In other words, in the past, there's 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: a great deal of debate of all electronic voting water. 98 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: We can't have those kind of machines. You gotta go 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: with people, pencils, paper on election date. There's a lot 100 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: of questions about that now. So the problem is we 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: don't have any kind of an acceptable standard that any 102 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, two parties can agree on that this is 103 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: the one we're gonna go with. Let's put the other 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: ones aside. Well, that's why we have to appoint a 105 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: bipartisan commission, give them two years and fifty million dollars, 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: and then have everybody completely ignore the results. That's our 107 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: only have we got. We gotta move on Gary, just 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want to round a time, because I 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: really want to ask about this. I don't know if 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: everybody around the country knows California and some other states, 111 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: I guess you probably know how many have these initiative systems, 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: these ballot systems where you kind of in propositions propositions. 113 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: In theory, it was supposed to, you know, take the 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: big money out of it and just directly let the 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: people decide the big issues. Well, it didn't take the 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: money out of it. This time. In California. You've got 117 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the two most expensive ballot propositions in state history. And 118 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: what are they? Yeah, well there, what a surprise there? 119 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Over money have to sell a gambling, most notably sports gambling, 120 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: sports betting. Some states, people, what are you talking about 121 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: sports betting? We've been doing that for a long time 122 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: and too and to the back stories really quick. Two 123 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, Scotus said, you could the states can 124 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: legalized sports betting. Thirty five of those, including and and 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: the District of Columbia have done that. But the biggest 126 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: prize of all California White because twelve percent of the 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: population lives there, so there's a lot of money reside 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: there does not currently have legalized sports betting. And yet 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's what this battle is about. Really, it's 130 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: pitting two sides. In California. You have legal gaming on 131 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Indian tribe lands or in casinos owned and operated by 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Indian tribes. That's Prop twenty six. They want to now 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: legalize sports betting there. That would have to be in person. 134 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Prop twenty seven the big competing measure or a lot 135 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: of the big boys, the MGMs, the draft Kings, the 136 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: fan duels, blah blah blah to have you know, I 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: would tronic sports betting on your Sino cell phone computer wherever. 138 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: That's what the battleground is. Four million dollars, Why would 139 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: people spend that much? Get this in one The total 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: handle for sports betting fifty seven billion with a B 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: dollars that's why this is going on right now the polls. 142 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: To see the most recent numbers, I pulled them up 143 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: to share them with you guys today. Just got these 144 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: this morning. They're both going down in flames. Yes, fifty 145 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: three for only twenty two. Yes, sixties, I mean yes, 146 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: that's right, sixty four note for Prop twenty seven. So 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: you know the ads have been mainly negative, knocking the 148 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: other guy down. But here's the deal end with this. 149 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: If both of these fail, will look like they're going 150 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: to this is not going to be the end of it. 151 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: They will come back that they're already our plans for 152 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: another round next cycle, and the next cycle this thing 153 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: knocked down, drag out to the end's gonna win this. 154 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: A couple of questions about this one. I'm kind of surprised, 155 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: so like California all of a sudden, is what fundamentalist 156 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: about gambling? They don't think it's it's just surprising to 157 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: me where they anything goes state? Um and but uh, 158 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand it at all because I can gamble 159 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: on anything anywhere, anytime with my phone. What's what's allowing 160 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: it in the state? Even mean, well some I don't 161 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: know how all the mechanism happened, Jack, But you're not 162 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be able to gamble on your phone within California. 163 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody's laughing here in the studio. 164 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: By the way, everybody's throwing back their head and laughter 165 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: at the idea that you can't gamble on your phone 166 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: in California. Jack. By the way, Hey, Jack, by the way, 167 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: here's the mechan is about what you kind of were wondering, 168 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: pondering why we don't have it yet here the legislature 169 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,359 Speaker 1: and all exquisdom tried to arbitrate this fight in our legislature. 170 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: And as you guys know, almost all these statewide propertitions 171 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: or at least a big dollwins come about because you 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: can't get a resolution in the legislature. They tried a 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, couldn't for obvious reasons. Even though 174 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: they banged heads together, couldn't get people to agree. And 175 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: that's why they're on the ballot. The two most expensive 176 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: props in California history are this interesting. Yeah, very strange 177 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: and still a little mystifying to me. And I know 178 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the tribes right, big giant checks too. They do some 179 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: aggressive lobbying to keep gambling on their side. But again, 180 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: I can bet on every single NFL game, next Major 181 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: League Baseball season, the upcoming golf tournament, and probably two 182 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: kids in a foot race and an elementary school on 183 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: my smartphone right now if I want to. So you're 184 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: not supposed to, Joe, Well, thank you, Gearty. I don't 185 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,239 Speaker 1: know if you've seen this breaking news. There are reports 186 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: people inside Trump circles say he's going to announce tonight 187 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: j d Vance's event that he's running for president. Oh yeah, 188 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: she's not even wait till the till the poles are 189 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: closed down. Well, well, no surprise. I pretty much expected it. Guys. 190 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: Right after the mid term he's jumping in and that 191 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: will be a discussion for nodcase. That's going to raise 192 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of new uh shall we say question? Many 193 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: yes or no? Audio? Biden on the ticket for an 194 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: absolute decided I intend to, But of course it's just 195 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: an intention. Okay does that name? Does that sound for me? 196 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: That's what Biden's official, Lindes, But guys, all the indicators 197 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: are inside the White House. He's going for it. Oh 198 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: my god, stop, it's gonna be Trump again. I will 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: wager any figure anybody can come to California. If Elon 200 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: Musk texts and said Joe I got a billion dollars, 201 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: says Biden runs, I would take that action. Well if 202 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: if Joe, if Joe makes that gamble in California, I 203 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: will call the police. So so, if you want some good, 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: nonpartisan political analysis, to follow Gary on Twitter at Gary Dietrich. Gary, 205 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: It's always great to talk. Thanks. Okay, yes, Art stro