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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Billy Gill.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Stu Gotts, How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good? How are you, buddy?

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Speaker 4: I'm good Stecott's Can I ask you a question that I.

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Speaker 6: Don't mean to, you know, hurt your feelings here, But

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Speaker 6: why can't you take a vacation? Why can't you just relax,

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Speaker 6: turn things off, unwind like you should be relaxing, enjoying

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Speaker 6: your family time before your daughters go off to college.

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Speaker 6: And you're like, you know what, big KD news. We

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Speaker 6: got to talk to Shams about this because I love Shams.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play Sham or scam. It's like being

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Speaker 2: on vacation.

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Speaker 4: Shit, I think ten times already.

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Speaker 6: But this is the part of stupodity where we say, well,

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Speaker 6: you know his name's actually Sham Stu Gotts, and then

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Speaker 6: you'll ask him is it Shams or is it Shams?

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Speaker 5: I think, listen, I think it's Shams. Like let's told

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Speaker 5: us multiple times. Yes, that's unfortunate. Can't play the game.

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Speaker 5: How about Schams or no Jerrowski? No anyway, how well, Billy,

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I can't just take vacation I

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Speaker 5: have no idea. It's a really good question. I should

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Speaker 5: just take vacation, but this is big news, the KD news,

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Speaker 5: and I want to talk to our guys shams and

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Speaker 5: see what happened with the heat.

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Speaker 2: And while the heat didn't get them, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, where'd you think he was going to go? Do

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Speaker 4: you really think he was going to go to the heat?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 5: I actually thought that he did a chance of getting him. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm surprised he didn't go anywhere. I mean, I really am.

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Speaker 2: How's the week been?

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Speaker 6: By the way, you know, I'm been missing a little something.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's been fun, but this is missing a little.

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Speaker 2: Something, A little something something like what like Dan?

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Speaker 4: Well, Dan, yeah, is one of the some things You're

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Speaker 6: It's just you know, when everyone's not together, things are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it seems like you guys have been having fun,

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Speaker 5: like it mean's been doing a uh well, he's been

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Speaker 5: working hard. It's the hardest I mean, has ever worked

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Speaker 5: for four consecutive days of his life, that's for sure.

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Speaker 6: A Means seems to have a billion things going on

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Speaker 6: he's doing this week. But he has a show, I

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Speaker 6: think on Mad Dog Sports Radio. He has a multiple podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Cinephile, Double Tipping.

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Speaker 6: I've called Cinophile a couple times this week, and I

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Speaker 6: he has Basketball Illuminati.

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Speaker 3: Just he seems to.

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Speaker 6: Be quite the busy man, flying across the country, going

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, uh.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a good point you make about me being

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Speaker 5: episode of Stupidoty already. I mean, and let me tell

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Speaker 5: you something. There is nothing better than have your name

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Speaker 5: it's fantastic. Thank you, Billy.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome.

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Speaker 6: I mean, but here we are, we're doing one anyway.

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Speaker 6: So I was like Stecott, because here's.

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Speaker 5: The thing that I've we're banking, Billy, it's you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing that I've noticed.

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Speaker 6: is you have to do for the day, right and

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Speaker 6: you've gone, You've gone out of town a number of times,

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Speaker 4: So I said, you know.

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Speaker 6: What, last week you were out, we recorded some stuff.

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Speaker 6: I knew this week you were doing more family things

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Speaker 6: when you're going to be busy, I'm just going to

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Speaker 4: Maybe we won't, Maybe we'll talk about it next week,

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Speaker 6: So it's just trying to get you a little relief,

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Speaker 5: So you provided me with relief, and I still put

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you.

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Speaker 2: Just wanted me to take a week off.

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Speaker 6: Well, this is this is why I think you're never

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Speaker 6: many people that die while talking, like mid sentence, and

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Speaker 6: I feel like if you just never stop doing and

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Speaker 6: I don't think it has anyone ever died in the

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's a time I thought Hank Oldberg did,

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Speaker 5: but he was alive, So I mean, yeah, too soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry the hammer.

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Speaker 6: So I think that your thing is if I just

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, just keep talking.

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Speaker 5: Not a bad plan, right, Well, it's funny, Billy, because

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Speaker 5: I'm always pacing around that I'm always moving. I'm always

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Speaker 5: on the move. And it's the same philosophy there. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm never gonna die. That's it. I mean, pretty good.

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Speaker 5: I mean, so listen, I'm alive. Like I made it

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Speaker 5: I would have told you, eh, coin toss, But here

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Speaker 2: I didn't still walking, still talking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't think you were going to get to fifty.

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Speaker 5: I was right in the middle of it, Bill, I

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Speaker 5: mean that was the middle of me touring with a

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Speaker 5: But I kept talking, I kept moving, I kept shaking,

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Speaker 5: I kept dancing, I kept smoking, And here.

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Speaker 2: I am at.

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Speaker 4: Your life is like a filibuster.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just trust me on this one. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: What's a filibuster?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll explain it to you later. I'm talking to Shams.

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Speaker 5: I would like to talk to Shops. I'm very excited

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Speaker 5: about this. He's a good friend. He's always there for us.

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Speaker 2: When we need him, even when I'm on vacation. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk of Shops filibuster.

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Speaker 3: How are you do?

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Speaker 2: Your hair looks great? Man? Why you always work about

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Speaker 2: your hair? Your hair is fantastic.

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Speaker 7: Hey man, listen, you never know, you never know it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but your haircut, like, Billy, look at that hair?

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Speaker 5: Is this hair perfect? Every hair is in plays right now.

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Speaker 6: I could never I just got a haircut like two

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm jealous. What do you mean you never know?

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Speaker 2: You're sitting inside.

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Speaker 7: You never you never know man, the wind, the air

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're inside your.

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Speaker 7: House, in the house, you know, never know how much time?

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Speaker 4: How much time do you spend on your hair?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's like two three minute process in the morning

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Speaker 4: The whole Yeah, you have a whole routine. Does it

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Speaker 2: What do we do?

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Speaker 7: No? I mean I I just on my hair. That's

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Speaker 2: Really. Look at me if you're talking the two slobs, look.

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Speaker 6: At but it just it doesn't stop at the hair

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Speaker 3: I can't do the dark hair. I can't do the

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Speaker 7: Come come back. If I grow this up like another week,

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Speaker 7: it just gets really really dark.

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Speaker 4: Don't do anything.

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Speaker 7: I can do that.

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Speaker 4: What you're doing right now is perfect. Keep doing that.

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Speaker 2: It's working out well for you. Shops, I mean the

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Speaker 2: look everything.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Chops, I'm wondering because the news, uh, well,

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Speaker 3: It's it's just brutal Stu Gots I mean to me,

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Speaker 3: I mean for that to happen, you know, during a

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Speaker 3: you're only a month away from training camp, So for

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Speaker 7: Brutally difficult for for the Thunder. For check home Grin.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be off for the entire season, then I

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Speaker 3: do think, listen, could he you know, rush his recovery

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Speaker 3: five months, Like I've heard that theory a little bit

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Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours. But I think the

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Speaker 7: With an injury like this, you want to make sure

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Speaker 7: definitely it's it's tough news in the short term.

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Speaker 3: But a guy like that seven to one, with the

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Speaker 7: It's the arrival of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 7: And then he had a couple of different scenarios, a

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Speaker 7: So you add those three things up.

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Speaker 2: Why were the deals not there?

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Speaker 7: This should have happened weeks and months ago.

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Speaker 7: And maybe in past years there would have been a

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Speaker 2: Was the heat even close.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the first scenario.

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Speaker 3: Would I mean at the end at something around Kyle Lowry,

442
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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, Jimmy Butler or.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the current I'm closer with the first one with

444
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Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, because really interesting. I mean Kevin Durant. Listen,

445
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Speaker 5: It's why I got so mad that he left Oklahoma City.

446
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,959
Speaker 5: Like he's he's he's a generational player. He didn't need

447
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Speaker 5: to go to Golden State. He didn't need those guys' help. Okay,

448
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant would have won titles with Westbrook and James

449
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Speaker 5: Harden or west or just Westbrook. They were up three

450
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Speaker 5: one against Golden State in the Western Conference finals, so

451
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Speaker 5: I think, yeah, like the fact that Memphis didn't give

452
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Speaker 5: up Desmond Baine to get Kevin Durant, to me, is

453
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Speaker 5: ludicrous because Kevin Durant John Morant probably would a championship.

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Speaker 7: Imagine that. Imagine getting Kevin Durant and John Rant.

455
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Speaker 3: Now, listen, I don't know, at the end of day,

456
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Speaker 3: does Brooklyn do like Jared Jackson, Desmond Bine and like

457
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Speaker 3: four or five first.

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Speaker 7: I don't know the answer to that.

459
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Speaker 3: But if you want to go get a guy like

460
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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant in Memphis and pair him with John Morant,

461
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Speaker 3: you have to put your best foot forward, I think,

462
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Speaker 3: but you know clearly what Memphis is building. You know,

463
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Speaker 3: I got to get credit. Well, Memphis building with Zach

464
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Speaker 3: Kleman is built there. I mean they have They're well.

465
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Speaker 7: Positioned now the what position in the future.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna have a lot of salary space in years

467
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Speaker 3: to come, a lot of draft picks. Like there's a

468
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Speaker 3: lot of long term flexibility. And the moment you get

469
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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant st you know how it goes. Like, you

470
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Speaker 3: bring Kevin Durant to any team, it's championship or busts

471
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Speaker 3: every year. So you know, if you feel like you're

472
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Speaker 3: building something organically, do you really want that?

473
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Speaker 7: Like, you know, pressure right out the gates and listen.

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Speaker 7: I agree, you know, I can.

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Speaker 3: See your perspective, right, you bring Kevin Durant on a

476
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Speaker 3: team with Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry.

477
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Speaker 7: That might bring you closer to a championship.

478
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Speaker 3: But I think clearly the heat decision makers weren't as

479
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Speaker 3: didn't have that same level of convictions as I think

480
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Speaker 3: we might have. You know, when you look at a

481
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Speaker 3: team with you no, I do think that you can

482
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Speaker 3: look at both sides of it too.

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Speaker 7: I mean, a team with Kyle Lowry, Tyler, Hero, Jimmy Bam.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think even Kevin Durant would

485
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Speaker 3: have wanted to play with Bam out of Bayo and

486
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Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler, not without Bam on the team. So and

487
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Speaker 3: I think that's just based off common knowledge and logic.

488
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Speaker 3: So it's it was a tough scenario. But at the end,

489
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Speaker 3: they know none of the none of these teams stepped

490
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Speaker 3: up to the capacity that the Nets needed to move

491
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Speaker 3: a guy like Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 5: Billy, which team would you rather have the one with Durant,

493
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Speaker 5: It's Durant, Lowry and Jimmy Butler or the current heat roster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll figure it out and shout us.

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Speaker 2: It seems like you're with us, Like, listen, I know

496
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Speaker 2: you're a reporter.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of slip Listen, I think Ken Durant is

498
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Speaker 3: one of the best players in the world.

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Speaker 7: I think it's Listen. I think I'm going to go

500
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Speaker 7: back about you know, back.

501
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Speaker 3: To like the people I talked to around the league,

502
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Speaker 3: and I think there was a lot of split opinion

503
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Speaker 3: on Miami and how they would look post k D. Tray,

504
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Speaker 3: Like if they they put all these chips to the

505
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Speaker 3: table right bam out of Bayo, Tyler, Hero, Max Strus,

506
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Speaker 3: because that's really what it would it would have required

507
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Speaker 3: from a Brooklyn perspective, they would have wanted every last

508
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Speaker 3: asset that you have, maybe even first round picks with that.

509
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Speaker 3: And so if you're Miami, I do think you know,

510
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Speaker 3: when I talked to league executives, this is going back

511
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Speaker 3: at Summer League in early July. I think league executives

512
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Speaker 3: were definitely split on whether that's a good or bad

513
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Speaker 3: move from Miami.

514
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Speaker 7: If league execs and people are on the league are split,

515
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Speaker 7: I think.

516
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Speaker 3: And if it's not a no brainer and you already

517
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Speaker 3: made it the conference finals with the team as is,

518
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Speaker 3: you're already trying to build from within, I don't know.

519
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Speaker 7: It's a tough one. It's honestly a coin flot.

520
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Speaker 2: It's kind of Bruce's ego a bit.

521
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Speaker 5: The fact that teams weren't willing to give up like

522
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Speaker 5: we're I think the three of us are sitting here

523
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Speaker 5: saying your team's better if you have Kevin Durant. And

524
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Speaker 5: the fact that teams weren't willing to give up guys

525
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Speaker 5: like Tyler Herro, draft picks, Desmond Baine, Jaron Jackson to

526
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Speaker 5: get a generational player, a top ten fifteen player of

527
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Speaker 5: all time, to me seems patently absurd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean he's still there, man, Listen.

529
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Speaker 7: I don't know if he's rethinking things or what I mean.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, I think I think

531
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Speaker 7: the best you should.

532
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Speaker 2: Think, Kyrie is what he should rethink. But anyway, that's

533
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Speaker 2: me saying it, not you show.

534
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Speaker 3: I think the asking price was so high. I think

535
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Speaker 3: maybe a thought is did they even want to trade

536
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Speaker 3: me to begin with? And so I think that the

537
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Speaker 3: realization that there was never gonna be a deal at

538
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, it was going to be

539
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Speaker 3: impossible for a team to really meet that asking price.

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Speaker 3: I think that realization seeping in over the last you know,

541
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Speaker 3: seventy two to you know plus hours, I think probably

542
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Speaker 3: is what led to the meeting on Monday, is what

543
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: led to Kevin Durant, both sides airing out you know,

544
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Speaker 3: how they feel in that media in LA and I

545
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: think that ended up being the way that now both sides,

546
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Speaker 3: I'm told, can you know exited that meeting really refocused

547
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: on next season. I think that's the thing that matters most.

548
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: But There's no doubt there's gonna be pressure on this

549
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: next team. Every last move from media Day onward is

550
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: gonna be scrutinized and looked at. There's gonna be pressure

551
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: on everyone one with the Nets from the roster Steve

552
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Speaker 3: Nash's coach, Sean Marks As as general manager, like ownership,

553
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: everyone's got to be better, I think, And I think

554
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Speaker 3: that's what you have to talk about in meetings.

555
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Speaker 7: Like this, Chubs.

556
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Speaker 6: Do you think Kyrie eventually finds his way over to

557
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Speaker 6: the Lakers, because like people are still saying that for

558
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Speaker 6: whatever reason.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think there was a realistic window,

560
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Speaker 3: a realistic chance for the Lakers possibly to have gotten

561
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Speaker 3: the kyrieing, but it would have probably had to have

562
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Speaker 3: taken place before his opt in because once the opton occurred,

563
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Speaker 3: you know, from everything I've been told, it was just

564
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Speaker 3: a complete focus on you know, twenty two twenty three

565
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Speaker 3: with the Nets and and I think now, I don't

566
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Speaker 3: you know, I can never predict the future.

567
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Speaker 7: I think this is all fluid.

568
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Speaker 3: I think things can change at any moment in terms

569
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Speaker 3: of like over the next six to eight months.

570
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Speaker 7: But as of right now, the Lakers don't have Max

571
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Speaker 7: salary's place.

572
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Speaker 3: You know, after the Pat Beverly trade, they're gonna have

573
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Speaker 3: I think roughly thirty four to thirty five million cap space.

574
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Speaker 7: Next year Kyrie Irving's max contract.

575
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Speaker 3: I believe he's gonna start in the forty six to

576
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Speaker 3: forty seven rage, So they're still gonna be eleven million

577
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: short of that in salary space next year to go

578
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 3: get a Kyrie Irving on a max deal next summer.

579
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Speaker 7: So does Kyrie Irving take less? I don't know.

580
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Speaker 3: And I don't know how the next six to eight

581
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Speaker 3: months play out with the Nets either, Like if they're

582
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: game busters right out the gates and they're playing at

583
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: a high level, they win the championship, like that'll change everything.

584
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Speaker 7: Winning cures all.

585
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Speaker 3: So I think the next this season's gonna dictate a lot.

586
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Speaker 3: I can't predict the future. I do think there was

587
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Speaker 3: a point in time this summer where the Lakers.

588
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Speaker 7: Were looked at as a realistic option.

589
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: But I think once the opting took place, the focus

590
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: became and I think Kyrie Irving locked in on next

591
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: season with the Nets and you know, having more dialogue

592
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 3: with the team, with the organization, working out with his teammates.

593
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 7: This summer, which he's done.

594
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Speaker 3: So I can't predict the future, but I think for now,

595
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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving is, you.

596
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 7: Know, definitely going to be a net Have.

597
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Speaker 5: You heard it all, whether or not Katie's a little

598
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 5: frustrated with Kyrie Irving just because he's not there all

599
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 5: the time, Like, is there any of that going on

600
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Speaker 5: within that organization?

601
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Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't heard that.

602
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you look at it from

603
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: a logical perspective, I think not having Kyrie Irving available

604
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: full time, I think throughout the organization it was difficult

605
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: to deal with. I think Sean Marx even said that

606
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: publicly in mid in Mid main Is press conference, it

607
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: was tough for them to play without Kyrie Ering.

608
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Speaker 7: This is one of the best players in the world.

609
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Speaker 7: So I think not only for Kevin Durant, but.

610
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Speaker 3: I think anyone James Harden last year, I think he

611
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: talked about it publicly the organization. But I know their

612
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: relationship is beyond you know, basketball too, right, so you know,

613
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: factoring that in, I think they have a relationship that

614
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: transcends just just basketball.

615
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Speaker 5: Apologies for my dog, Finny, he gets very excited. We'll

616
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Speaker 5: talk about Kevin Durant Billy. This is I'm going to

617
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Speaker 5: spend my entire season sitting back and rooting against the

618
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Speaker 5: Memphis Grizzlies, a team that I like, by the way,

619
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Speaker 5: because what I now want why shackasses for not giving

620
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Speaker 5: up Desmond Bane to get Kevin Durant and pairing him

621
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Speaker 5: with John Moran. Now I want the This is what

622
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 5: I want the Grizzlies to have to watch the Nets

623
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 5: and the Warriors playing in the NBA Finals. How about that.

624
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 5: I want them to have to sit back and watch that.

625
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: I think, Hey, that could be us, But no, we

626
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: didn't love Desmond Baine. Seriously, They're idiot.

627
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: Sorry, I just felt like going off their shops shops

628
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 5: quickly Nicks, Donovan Mitchell, anything anything there.

629
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Speaker 7: They're they're in pursuit, in heavy pursuit.

630
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: I mean they have been trying to get Donovan Mitchell

631
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: for the last month, month and a half and so listen.

632
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: I think Utah does have other deals on the table

633
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: potentially that could be just as intriguing as the Knicks.

634
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: But I think when you look at the totality of

635
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: what the Knicks have, they have young players at Quentin Grimes,

636
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: Obi Topp and Emmanuel Quickly they have draft bevy of drafticks,

637
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: four unprotected picks of their own. They have four other

638
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: picks from from other teams, so eight total picks to

639
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: use in a trade.

640
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 7: From from what.

641
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm told, they've already made five of their first round

642
00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: picks available, two unprotected, along with Obi Toppin and additional salaries.

643
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 7: So how much more.

644
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: Do they need to add to that to make a

645
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: deal done? I think they need to put more in.

646
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: That's what I'm told Utah is asking for more.

647
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 7: So time will tell. There's a month before training camp.

648
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: But I do think that those conversations, especially once Patrick

649
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: Beverley got traded, I think those conversations will continue to escalate.

650
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: How did that?

651
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 5: How did we arrive at a place where Beverly goes

652
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: to the Lakers? How did that kind of come about?

653
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: There? Is that? Is that a guy Lebron wanted coveted? Yeah?

654
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean I think the Lakers targeted Pat Beverly, especially

655
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: once the Kyrie Irving situation unfolded the way he did,

656
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Speaker 3: and he's staying in that. You know, you have to

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Speaker 3: move on to other options. I think Rob Plink of

658
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Speaker 3: the Lakers wanted to improve this team. I think you

659
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Speaker 3: go get a culture setter like Patrick Beverly.

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Speaker 7: He had a big h you know, voice and a

661
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 7: big responsibility in Minnesota last year. You bring a guy

662
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Speaker 7: like that over and I think tayl Oorton Tucker needed needs.

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Speaker 3: An opportunity like Utah, a guy, a guy that needs

664
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Speaker 3: more an opportunity to have the ball in his hand.

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Speaker 3: I think Utah will be able to give him that.

666
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: I think we're all seeing Utah moving more toward a

667
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: full rebuild, right, and so to two teams going different directions,

668
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Speaker 3: and I think this deal does accomplish a goal for

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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 2: Check them out.

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Speaker 5: Senior lead NBA writer insider for the Athletic and Stadium

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Speaker 5: Shams is with us here, the team that improved the

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Speaker 5: most of the offseason.

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Speaker 7: What do you think, Oh man, you put me on

675
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 7: the spot there. That's a great question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean listen, I know you listen. I know

677
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Speaker 5: you're a machine, you're a robot. You're not supposed to

678
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: have opinions. But it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Once in a while you let me let me uh,

680
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Speaker 3: let me let me let me make a.

681
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 7: That improved them.

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00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: The Grizzlies if they traded Baine for Durant.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with a few.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'll go with a few. I'll say.

685
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Speaker 3: I think Boston improved getting Malcolm Brock and Danilo Gallinardi.

686
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: I think those are big pickups. I think Philadelphia improved.

687
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: You get PJ. Tucker, Daniel House, Like, they were able

688
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: to improve their team without doing anything. They didn't make

689
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: a trade, they just were able to use the money

690
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: that James Harden gave back and give it to other players. So,

691
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Speaker 3: you know, kudos to James Harden did what's the best

692
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Speaker 3: for the team to win a championship. I think he's

693
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Speaker 3: putting his money where he's nott this. I think at

694
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: Lanta improved getting to Jontay Murray. I think the Clippers

695
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: improved and Denver improved just based.

696
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Speaker 7: On getting guys healthy.

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Speaker 3: I think both of those teams to me are going

698
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Speaker 3: to be two of the top teams in the league.

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Speaker 3: Denver getting back Jamal Murray, Michael Port Junior Clippers getting

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Speaker 3: back Kawhi.

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Speaker 7: Leonard, Like that's gonna be big time.

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Speaker 3: So those are probably my picks right now for the

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Speaker 3: teams to me that mostly improved this summer.

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Speaker 2: I have a quick question for you.

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Speaker 5: I'm not certain because I am convinced that if you

706
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Speaker 5: wanted to transition to the NFL, I'm just gonna ask you. Okay,

707
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Speaker 5: if you wanted to do what you do for the NBA,

708
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Speaker 5: because you're the best in the business, Okay, if you

709
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Speaker 5: wanted to become Adam Schefter, let's appreciate you by the way,

710
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 5: got it, man, But if you wanted to become Schefter?

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Speaker 2: Could you?

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Speaker 5: And how long would it take you to arrive at

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: Adam Schefter in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: Man, I think what they do, like Ken Rosenthal in

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00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: baseball with Adam Scheffer doesn't football.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't think I can do everything.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I can do n b A and

719
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Speaker 3: then still do NFL at the same time.

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Speaker 7: And so for me, I've picked my path. I love

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Speaker 7: the NBA.

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Speaker 5: This ridiculous scenario, though, I have you bailing on the

723
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Speaker 5: NBA going to the NFL and trying to become Schefter.

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Speaker 2: Could you? I think you'd be bigger.

725
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: I have a better game. I have a better games.

726
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 6: Guys, you switch places with Ken Rosenthal?

727
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: Who's better? Ken basketball beat you baseball?

728
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Speaker 3: Listen, man, I love Ken Rosenthal. Shout out to the

729
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: athletic shout out to Ken Rosenthal. Listen, for me, I

730
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: always try to have tunnel vision. I only focus on myself,

731
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 3: only try to be the best I can be. So,

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it's you, it's you, it's you.

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Speaker 7: Listen. We'll say whether it's NFL MLB. I love what

734
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 7: I do with the NBA, though, so I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 7: with the NBA.

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Speaker 3: You know, politics, you know, I think, I think. Listen,

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm always gonna try to be the best.

738
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 7: I can be at anything I do.

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00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: So he's not breaking down in the NBA walls. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's just not.

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Speaker 7: I'm a big Kender Rosenthal guy. Though in the game.

742
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 7: On the MLB side, what he's done on the MLB

743
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 7: side has been has been a big time. But listen,

744
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 7: what's crazy.

745
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: I actually grew up loving the MLB, like playing fantasy baseball.

746
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: Like in high school, I was like religious about fantasy baseball,

747
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: like literally every day.

748
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Speaker 7: Like I used to love manage managing my team like

749
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Speaker 7: it was. It was like a religion for me.

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Speaker 3: Like I was so obsessed with fantasy baseball. That's something

751
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: I've never said on any show, by the way, But

752
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: like literally, I probably had no life in high school

753
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: because of my obsession with basketball and the NBA and

754
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: fantasy baseball.

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Speaker 7: So that's the first Let me.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you something.

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Speaker 6: So Stu Gotts has hired someone to run his fantasy

758
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Speaker 6: baseball team for him.

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Speaker 7: Yes, smart man, I mean, he's a smart man.

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Speaker 6: Big yeah, but doesn't count if he wins champions that

761
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Speaker 6: doesn't count.

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Speaker 5: Wait wait, well, hold on, No shot up to saying

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Speaker 5: I'm smart because I hired. He's a hired gun. He's

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Speaker 5: my general manager. Baseball is tue time consuming, man. That's

765
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Speaker 5: what That's what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 7: So so so, so listen.

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Speaker 3: On one hand, I agree with you, billy. I think

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00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: that's a cheap way to win a championship. On the

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Speaker 3: other hand, Stu Gotts, listen, he loves fantasy baseball. I

770
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Speaker 3: love fantasy baseball myself, But me, I don't know if I.

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Speaker 7: Could take that route.

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Speaker 3: I have all the respect for Stut Gotts for taking

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Speaker 3: that route, but me personally, like I love like like

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Speaker 3: living and breathing it, like setting my lineups, like trying

775
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: to win a championship, making trades, like being a GM

776
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Speaker 3: like that was fun for me. So I don't know

777
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Speaker 3: if I could hire my own GM. But for me,

778
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Speaker 3: like once I started to do the NBA stuff more

779
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Speaker 3: and like go to games and reporting.

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Speaker 7: When I was a junior going to going to my.

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Speaker 3: Senior year of high school, I just I just couldn't,

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Speaker 3: Like I've has been very one track minded, like so

783
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Speaker 3: I couldn't.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't go like fifty fifty. I had to go

785
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 7: all in. Unfortunately, I had to give up my fantasy

786
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Speaker 7: baseball dreams after that.

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Speaker 2: Right look at you.

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Speaker 4: It worked out for you, though.

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Speaker 5: Listen, this guy Inferno was won five of the seven

790
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: years he's been in our league again.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know who Josh Rojas is.

792
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: What do you want from me.

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00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 7: Billing my team? My team had Evan Longoria every year.

794
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 7: Is my Roy Holiday. I used to love him.

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Speaker 3: I used to draft him every year, trade for him

796
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: every year, loved him. I think those are really my

797
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: two like main stays. Like every year I played fancy

798
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Speaker 3: baseball freshman year of high school through senior or of

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Speaker 3: high school.

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Speaker 4: You had like decent friends.

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Speaker 6: Because if I would have picked up on the fact

802
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Speaker 6: that every year you get Evan Longoria or Roy Holliday,

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Speaker 6: I obviously would reach and take him like a round early,

804
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 6: just knowing I could.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see that part is true.

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00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 7: But you got I say.

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Speaker 3: I was the one who was doing the reaching though,

808
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: was the one who was dropping like way earlier, like

809
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: going out of my way to trade. And then I

810
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: was like obsessed with like Evan longor at third base

811
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: like always you know, hit a bunch of home runs,

812
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: great on base percentage. I did everything, but you stole

813
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: like twenty bases to Holliday was just a machine, reliable,

814
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: always playing.

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Speaker 7: So like Scott's like those like the only two.

816
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: Baseball players I can probably break down like back of

817
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: my holiday, never missed a game, like you can always

818
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: depend on shot.

819
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Speaker 2: They were they were staples on your fantasy team.

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Speaker 7: Fantasy team.

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Speaker 2: I love how let you dork out to baseball, dude,

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00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

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Speaker 7: Also, rest in peace, ro Holliday.

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00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, rest in peace.

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00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 6: Yes, Fantasy baseball is really the hardest of the fantasy

826
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: because like fantasy football, it's just luck because.

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Speaker 3: Once a weeks you just you just wake up on

828
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: the Sunday and set in your lineup.

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Speaker 5: I have no hired gun for that. I hired Inferno

830
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Speaker 5: because I don't know the minor leagues. I don't know

831
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Speaker 5: who's coming up, who's getting dropped. Baseball change a lot.

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00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: Many Did you have that person on your way?

833
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: What was that?

834
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Speaker 4: Did you have that person in your league that you

835
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: always got?

836
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 6: My dad always did John Lackey for some reason, which

837
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 6: didn't work most of the time.

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Speaker 4: Like you guys, he did it late in lack.

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Speaker 7: His e RI was high for me. He was he

840
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 7: was reliable, but his ERI was a little too high

841
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 7: for me.

842
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

843
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 5: So the guy I always had, Billy. This is why

844
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 5: I had to hire Inferno. So I did for like

845
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 5: sixteen years. I won one time, I got lucky once, okay.

846
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 5: But the guy I always reached for because it was

847
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: going to be the year he stole one hundred bags

848
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 5: was Tony Walmack.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the guy I always you're old.

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00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 7: I'm nodding, but I don't. I don't know. I don't

851
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 7: know if I ever had him.

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00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: Team Tony Wack is looking up, youngster.

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00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, shut off Fantasy baseball.

854
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 5: Oh god, I want to have you on again, just

855
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: to talk baseball.

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00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: If we could do that. Okay, listen, I just.

857
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: What I need to do is I need to go

858
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: back and find my roster and then like all the

859
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: players I had, it will drive my memory back.

860
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 7: And then one year I did win the championship, fans baseball.

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00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: Drop my memory back and we'll just have a full

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: zoom just on my roster. I'll like break down all

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00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: the players to the like like it's it's the machine

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: like NBA.

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Speaker 2: I know we can't get there soon enough. Please let

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00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: us know when you find the roster. I want to

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00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: do this tomorrow, right, I'll do it all right.

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Speaker 5: Anything you want to promote the way out here again,

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Speaker 5: Senior lead NBA insider writer for the Athletic and Stadium.

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Speaker 5: Cham's with us here. Anything to promote the way out

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Speaker 5: my friend.

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Speaker 7: Nothing crazy.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Athletic Shout out the stadium got

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Speaker 3: the Telly Awards.

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Speaker 7: In the back, we did a I did an att commercial, uh.

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Speaker 3: With with with stated the stadium produced it got those

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Speaker 3: Telly Awards.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to Telly Awards.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, hey, we appreciated.

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Speaker 7: Thanks.

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Speaker 5: It's told to be a text and I'll tell you again, man,

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Speaker 5: it's been a pleasure to see to sit back all

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Speaker 5: summer and watch you, uh, watch you work and do

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Speaker 5: it better.

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Speaker 2: Than anyone in the business man.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate it, and uh, keep the information coming, my friend.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys. Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 6: Who news do guys, chums, big fantasy baseball guy.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, you asked me to do an intro and I

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Speaker 5: was just sitting here looking at wires.

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Speaker 4: You're still trying to figure out the wires situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's going on here. Who knew? Right?

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Speaker 2: That was very exciting.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to break out my like nineteen ninety

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Speaker 5: nine fantasy baseball roster.

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Speaker 2: You guys will know no one on my de Tony Womack.

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Speaker 6: Because the guy I was looking it up and I

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Speaker 6: saw he retired I think in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 6: And I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, man, how old was Shops in two thousand and six?

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Speaker 2: How well was he?

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Speaker 4: I'm looking this up right now, Actually.

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Speaker 2: How old are Shops? I mean that is one good

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Speaker 2: looking young man. Huh. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: He was born in nineteen ninety four, so in two

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Speaker 6: thousand and six he was twelve.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Tony Wollmack. I mean come on, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he retired. I said sixty bags? Did Womack ever steal

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Speaker 2: sixty bags?

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Speaker 6: You said one hundred bags is what you thought that

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Speaker 6: he was going to steal? Yeah, that's you what wo

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Speaker 6: Max's career high.

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Speaker 2: Was I'm looking at up to there's lude enough Momas tats.

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked him up in forever. Oh, what an

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Speaker 2: exciting day. You know.

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Speaker 6: Who else to got say always somehow ended up on

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Speaker 6: my team was Mark Burley because he was always going

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Speaker 6: to pay four hundred innings a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, but innings wasn't a category.

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Speaker 6: So wow, Womac still seventy two bases in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: That's incredible.

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Speaker 6: Seventy two, fifty eight the year before, and sixty the

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Speaker 6: year before that.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what did you say? What'd you say? Shams was

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Speaker 2: born ninety four, so when he was five he stole

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Speaker 2: seventy two bases.

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Speaker 4: When he was three, he stole sixty bases. When he

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Speaker 4: was four, he stole fifty eight.

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Speaker 6: When he was five he stole seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Stupodity four three