Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, I'm slow and I know basketball.
Speaker 2: Today's guest is a basketball who's NBA coaching career spans
Speaker 2: over two decades, including leading the Boston Celtics to a
Speaker 2: championship in two thousand and eight. His journey from Marquette
Speaker 2: to playing in the NBA to coaching his son in
Speaker 2: the league is a story you won't want to miss.
Speaker 2: Today's guest joined us right before taking the head coach
Speaker 2: position for the Milwaukee bus.
Speaker 1: Let's get to know Doc Rivers. When I was on
Speaker 1: the car rid here.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my mom and I was like,
Speaker 2: what questions should I ask?
Speaker 1: Doc?
Speaker 2: And my mom knows a lot about basketball from how
Speaker 2: much I talk about it, right, But she's not like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: she's not going to ask you like a deep basketball question.
Speaker 1: She said.
Speaker 2: She was like, you know, if you were a real doctor,
Speaker 2: what would you be a doctor of? So I want
Speaker 2: to know, do you think you'd be like a pediatrician
Speaker 2: or like a brain doctor.
Speaker 3: I'd be a brain doctor for a shore. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, you know, I said brain doctor because
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it's called. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 2: sure it had a big name.
Speaker 3: I think it's a bigger name than we're using.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: But it would be really great that if I could
Speaker 3: just operate on some of the brains of some of
Speaker 3: the players that I coach and I could tweet things
Speaker 3: a little bit. Oh, that would be awesome.
Speaker 1: Well you can in two k you know, if you
Speaker 1: just want to go. Yeah, I love it. If you
Speaker 1: actually could tweet their minds, you would.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes, yes, all of them. Would make them
Speaker 3: all team players, and it'd be a little thing I
Speaker 3: would put. Listen to Doc everything, listen to Doc. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would change them and I'd make them all tough.
Speaker 1: Tough. Okay, now that helps. I feel like my parents
Speaker 1: would probably do that.
Speaker 3: To my head. Yeah, to all of us.
Speaker 2: So as we know, I'm sixteen years old and I'm
Speaker 2: in tenth grade. I want to know what you were
Speaker 2: like when you were sixteen.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great question that when I was sixteen
Speaker 3: years old, I was Glenn Rivers. Yeah, I wasn't DOC yet.
Speaker 3: I was playing for Visas High School. It's one of
Speaker 3: the better high schools. I think there's twelve NBA players
Speaker 3: that came from that high school. That's non recruit it's
Speaker 3: just local people from the neighborhood and I was doing
Speaker 3: I was playing back. I played basketball all day. I
Speaker 3: never caught it work, you know, I just went to
Speaker 3: the park. Back then, when I grew up, we didn't
Speaker 3: have to have played eights. I would get on my
Speaker 3: bike and tell my parents I'd be home by the
Speaker 3: time the street lights came on.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 3: And I literally was at Tenth Park from you know,
Speaker 3: sun up to sundown. That's what I did every day.
Speaker 3: And I did what other kids did. You know? You
Speaker 3: were rode the bikes and just hung out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but were you doing that with the goal of
Speaker 2: being in the NBA or for you this was just
Speaker 2: what you were doing in your free time because it
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 3: I love basketball. I actually I had that story that
Speaker 3: I rode on the I think I was in the
Speaker 3: fourth grade. I rode on the chalkboard I want to
Speaker 3: be a pro basketball player. And the teacher told me
Speaker 3: to race it and be realistic, and so I wrote
Speaker 3: it again. She told me to erase it again, and
Speaker 3: I wrote it again. And so I had an uncle,
Speaker 3: Jim Brewer, who played at the University of Minnesota, and
Speaker 3: he went to the pros so basket. That was my goal,
Speaker 3: but I didn't go to the park thinking about being
Speaker 3: a pro basketball player. I just go went because that's
Speaker 3: where the best games were and it was fun to play.
Speaker 2: So you were a McDonald's All American. What do you
Speaker 2: remember most about that game?
Speaker 3: Oh, it was a great It was in Oakland. I
Speaker 3: remember that I think I was the leading scorer in
Speaker 3: the game. I do remember that I think Russell Cross
Speaker 3: won the MVP. But it was awesome. You know, growing
Speaker 3: up in Chicago, you don't travel a lot, so that
Speaker 3: was one of the few times I was able to
Speaker 3: travel and get on a plane. And it was so
Speaker 3: cool to be able to measure yourself because you've heard
Speaker 3: of all these high school guys Derek Harper, but you've
Speaker 3: never played against.
Speaker 1: Them, and so you know, see how you really get
Speaker 1: to see and.
Speaker 3: In this generation now with au they all see each other.
Speaker 3: In our generation, we never saw guys from other states
Speaker 3: and other cities. So the McDonald's games that was that
Speaker 3: was a cool thing.
Speaker 2: It was like pre MBA. It's like you got to
Speaker 2: it's almost like a preview.
Speaker 3: Yes you can, you can measure yourself. I do remember
Speaker 3: coming from the McDonald's game thinking, all right, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: good yeah, I got a chance here. Yeah, so that
Speaker 3: was good for me.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So on Google it says you're listed at six to four,
Speaker 2: and a lot of players have told me that they
Speaker 2: think that their Google height listing isn't really accurate.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's accurate? And when did you hit
Speaker 1: that mark of six to four?
Speaker 3: I am exactly six four, oh, exactly, probably shorter now
Speaker 3: because I'm older. I would say my junior year in college. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I grew a little bit in college.
Speaker 1: At sixteen. You think you're around like six.
Speaker 3: Foot or yeah, yeah, right around six feet maybe maybe
Speaker 3: even shorter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So obviously we know you won an NBA championship, You've
Speaker 2: done incredible things in your life. What would sixteen year
Speaker 2: old you think about you now?
Speaker 3: Wow? I think you would be happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, my goal was to be a pro basketball player. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was that for thirteen years. Then I became
Speaker 3: a coach and I was that for twenty plus years
Speaker 3: and won a title, made the All Star team. So
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think you'd be very happy with
Speaker 3: me overall. You know, always when you asked that, it's funny,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think of sports at first. My first
Speaker 3: thought was because my parents, what would he think of
Speaker 3: me as a human being, as a person, Because that's
Speaker 3: far more important in a lot of ways than than
Speaker 3: what you are or what you do. You should be
Speaker 3: bigger than what you do, you should be more. That's
Speaker 3: what I guess what.
Speaker 1: I would say that my parents are gonna love that
Speaker 1: you just said that.
Speaker 3: It's true, It's very true.
Speaker 2: So now that we know a little bit about you
Speaker 2: at sixteen years old, I want to know even more
Speaker 2: than we already know about you.
Speaker 1: Now, So what was your welcome to the league moment?
Speaker 3: Oh? My welcome to the league moment was my I
Speaker 3: think it was a second game, a third game my
Speaker 3: rookie career. We're playing Philadelphia and all the two stories
Speaker 3: you know, my name is my nickname is Doc, right,
Speaker 3: and so we were playing Doctor J. And I had
Speaker 3: never met Doctor J. And I was so nervous before
Speaker 3: the game. Yeah, and he walked up to me and said,
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 1: Doc, Wow?
Speaker 3: And for me, that was cool.
Speaker 1: That's that was boss.
Speaker 3: That was cool. And then during the game, Maury's cheeks
Speaker 3: ripped me like three times. And that was my other
Speaker 3: moment in the league where okay, yeah, I have to
Speaker 3: be a better player. So, yeah, it was a cool thing.
Speaker 2: I love that you just said that, because literally, my
Speaker 2: next question on the paper was going to say, can
Speaker 2: you take us through the story of how.
Speaker 1: You got the nickname Doc?
Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, Doc's real name
Speaker 2: is Glenn, but obviously we all know him as Doc,
Speaker 2: and so I'm so curious to hear that story.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting story. I was a freshman in high
Speaker 3: school at a basketball camp and I was registering and
Speaker 3: I had a picture of Doctor J on my T shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Al McGuire, the legendary coach, was sitting next to Rick Majeris,
Speaker 3: the legendary coach, and Rick turns to him and says,
Speaker 3: that kid can really play. We need to keep an
Speaker 3: eye out on him. At the end of that week,
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Bucks, back then pro teams would come in
Speaker 3: and play in front of the kids. Yeah, well, they
Speaker 3: only had nine guys, and Al McGuire gets up and says, hey, Doc,
Speaker 3: can you come out? We need you to play. I
Speaker 3: sat there. I didn't know. My name is not Doc,
Speaker 3: so and he said it three times. He kept pointing
Speaker 3: at me, Hey Doc, Hey, Doc, And finally I realized
Speaker 3: I was Doc. Doc. Yeah, and I got I was
Speaker 3: one of you know, a freshman in high school playing
Speaker 3: with the Milwaukee Bucks on a court and I scored,
Speaker 3: uh two baskets and all the kids start yelling Doc,
Speaker 3: and it's stuck.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Does anyone still call you Glenn?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, my family, you know It's funny. I grew
Speaker 3: up in Maywood, just a suburb of Chicago. Whenever I'm
Speaker 3: anywhere and someone from the audience, yail's Glenn. I know
Speaker 3: it's somebody from Maywood, and no one at home calls
Speaker 3: me Doc. Everyone calls me.
Speaker 1: It never stuck for your family only for like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my mom did not like someone changed my hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know that was my you know. So Yeah, But
Speaker 3: whenever I go home now my brother everyone it's Glenn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm gonna start calling you Glenn because
Speaker 1: like I need to be.
Speaker 3: Like pat Riley would call me Glenn too when he
Speaker 3: thought I was not doing well.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So.
Speaker 2: Now, in the next half of your career as an
Speaker 2: ESPN analyst, can you give me some advice on how
Speaker 2: you think I can improve my analyst game?
Speaker 3: Wow, I would say this, and I don't know. If
Speaker 3: it's you improving your game, you're better than me, So
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm going to tell you how
Speaker 3: to improve. I just think we should all celebrate people,
Speaker 3: and I think you do a great job of that overall,
Speaker 3: Like it's no negativity. Yeah, there's so many ways we
Speaker 3: can go. And when you look at most of the
Speaker 3: people you're going to interview, they've had fifty great things
Speaker 3: and probably three or four bad things. Yeah, and a
Speaker 3: lot of interviews when you do them, they're going to
Speaker 3: talk about two of the three of the bad things
Speaker 3: and talk about two of the great things that people
Speaker 3: have done in their lives. And I think we should
Speaker 3: celebrate people more. I think it's it be great for
Speaker 3: kids overall, we just celebrated everyone. I read a thesis
Speaker 3: I don't know somewhere, and this kid wrote, please allow
Speaker 3: my heroes to be heroes. Stop taking them down. I
Speaker 3: don't want to know the bad stuff. I just want
Speaker 3: to know the good stuff. I want somebody to look
Speaker 3: up to. And so I think that's what we should
Speaker 3: do more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's I love so much that you said
Speaker 2: that because for me, you know, I'm just such a
Speaker 2: fan of basketball and I sit here with my idols
Speaker 2: in the chair across for me, and all I see
Speaker 2: when I look at you guys is like a god,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm so amazed. And I also hate
Speaker 2: that people bring you down instead of bringing you guys up,
Speaker 2: and that's so important to me to continue to do that.
Speaker 2: And I always think about this, you know, like I'm
Speaker 2: the biggest Steph Curry fangirl in the world, and I
Speaker 2: you know, admit that, Like at like twelve at night
Speaker 2: when I really probably should be a sleeper doing my homework.
Speaker 1: I scroll on these like Warriors.
Speaker 2: Twitter pages and Steph has like one bad shooting night
Speaker 2: and people are like, let's trade Steph.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you know what you're talking about?
Speaker 3: You should never read that, And it's like.
Speaker 2: Why would you ever say something like that. He has
Speaker 2: done so much for the game. He's an extraordinary person,
Speaker 2: an extraordinary player. And to take someone down for one
Speaker 2: little thing that they did, like the amount of bad
Speaker 2: grades that I've gotten. If someone was just like we
Speaker 2: should kick her out of school, I would be kicked
Speaker 2: out so many times.
Speaker 3: First of all, I know your parents, I know I
Speaker 3: know you don't have any bad grades. There's no way.
Speaker 3: But Steph is truly one of the nicest human beings
Speaker 3: you can meet, and and it's real, it's not fake.
Speaker 3: It's what you see is what you get. What I
Speaker 3: love about that. He's also a vicious competitor, you know,
Speaker 3: and people He's proven you can be nice and mean
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of this sort of positive thing talking about
Speaker 2: other incredible players, I want to talk you a little
Speaker 2: bit about mj What was your first experience like playing
Speaker 2: against him?
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I was in the They used
Speaker 3: to have this sports festival thing growing up, and I
Speaker 3: think I was a sophomore and he was a freshman
Speaker 3: and they played the Midwest, the South and the North
Speaker 3: and the East, and it was in Syracuse and at
Speaker 3: that time I never heard of Michael Jordan, you know,
Speaker 3: literally had never heard of him. He was an in Gooing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was an ingoing freshman in North Carolina. And playing
Speaker 3: against him that week, I remember coming from that thinking,
Speaker 3: I don't know what is Michael Jordan guy is, but
Speaker 3: he's really good. He's really good. Uh. And then obviously
Speaker 3: I remember his rookie year when we faced him. He
Speaker 3: was with the Bulls, and you know, the first thing,
Speaker 3: I thought, there's no way someone can play that hard
Speaker 3: and that attenpt the whole year, and he did it
Speaker 3: for his whole career, which tells you a lot about him.
Speaker 2: It's truly incredible and similar. But what was your first
Speaker 2: experience like coaching against Kobe?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we had this thing what we call
Speaker 3: the best player on the other team, if the best player,
Speaker 3: if the best player on both teams, we would call
Speaker 3: the ASA space. And so every game he coached against
Speaker 3: the Lakers, they had Kobe, so we would say, okay,
Speaker 3: they have the ace spades tonight, yea. And so you
Speaker 3: would always try to affect him somehow by being physical,
Speaker 3: by trapping, by doing different things. He was as close
Speaker 3: to Michael, in my opinion, as there ever been. That
Speaker 3: doesn't mean there, you know, guys can't be better, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying his makeup, everything he did reminded you
Speaker 3: of Michael, you know, even later in his career. You know,
Speaker 3: he went to the mid post game, just everything. What
Speaker 3: I loved about him most was his brain. And I
Speaker 3: loved the same thing with Michael. His intensity, like he
Speaker 3: was a co blooded killer and I love players like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what would you tell your team, you know,
Speaker 2: the ace of space was a guy like Kobe or
Speaker 2: like Lebron or like Staff, Like how do you stop them?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: As a coach, well, I always tell them they could
Speaker 3: be better than you all year, but just not tonight.
Speaker 3: You know. I thought that way as a player too.
Speaker 3: I remember telling Michael that, like, yeah, you're the greatest player,
Speaker 3: just not tonight, you know. And you know, that's how
Speaker 3: I think you have to You can't. You can't look
Speaker 3: at these guys as gods when they're on the floor
Speaker 3: or when you're going against them, you're trying to beat them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I've always thought the competitors appreciated that, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're competing. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So people may not know this, but as of the
Speaker 2: basketball nerd that I am, like, I've known this forever.
Speaker 2: So Doc's daughter, Calli, who played volleyball at the University
Speaker 2: of Florida, is married to Seth Curry, obviously the brother
Speaker 2: of Steph Curry and the son of Del Curry. And
Speaker 2: then Steph and says sister Sidell is married to Damian Lee.
Speaker 2: So your guys's family, In my opinion, I think maybe
Speaker 2: the basketball royal family. On every side, there's just incredible athletes.
Speaker 1: Look what is Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: Like, it's hid me through everything. When all the families
Speaker 3: get together, it's something turns into something competitive. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it just is a lot of times, especially like with
Speaker 3: Austin and Seth and Staff and all those guys everything
Speaker 3: they talk about sports. Yeah, you know, that's what we
Speaker 3: all are. And the debates for like Dylle and I
Speaker 3: are hilarious to listen to because a lot of times,
Speaker 3: like Austin will call me with Seth on the phone
Speaker 3: and he said, you gotta we have a debate going here,
Speaker 3: And I would always say, I say neutral because I
Speaker 3: want them to keep going because it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's pretty cool though.
Speaker 2: I love keeping up with the Kardashians. I want to
Speaker 2: see a reality TV show.
Speaker 1: You don't want to see that, I know I do so.
Speaker 2: In high school and like a classic yearbook, you know,
Speaker 2: there's like superlatives like who's most likely to succeed whatever.
Speaker 2: You've been a coach and a player on so many
Speaker 2: incredible teams. So I want to do some Dock River superlatives.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you the team and then
Speaker 2: I want you to answer, okay, with who you think
Speaker 2: would be the most fitting. So who was the funniest
Speaker 2: player in the huddle on the Sixers?
Speaker 3: Oh? Probably probably Tobias. I'm gonna go Tobias. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was probably the funniest in the huddles.
Speaker 1: Interesting. What about on the Clippers?
Speaker 3: Oh, Jamal Crawford.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes so much more sense to me than Toby, Like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think that Toby Jamal Crawford.
Speaker 3: First of all, I loved him, but yeah, he yet
Speaker 3: usually it was about offense, you know, some way for
Speaker 3: him to score. H Yeah, I would go with Jamal Crawford.
Speaker 1: Okay, who was the team dad on the Sixers?
Speaker 3: That would be Tobias for sure.
Speaker 1: That makes yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that would be. That's why he was funny
Speaker 3: because he would say things that but what in his
Speaker 3: age group, Like you would think, like what is he
Speaker 3: talking about? But uh, that that's an one hundred percent Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who on the championship winning Celtics team do you think
Speaker 2: could eat the most wings?
Speaker 3: Oh? Big baby? Yeah, come on, that's not even a contest. Uh.
Speaker 3: The craziest contest though, that that was the most competitive
Speaker 3: team I've ever coached. All of them were competitive.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They had an arm wrestling competition on the plane once.
Speaker 3: It's been talked about before. I think it's the most
Speaker 3: athletic feet I've ever seen, because Big Baby is bigger
Speaker 3: than everybody and he was just killing everybody. And the
Speaker 3: finals came down to Big Baby and Kevin Garnett, and
Speaker 3: the players grabbed me to come watch, and I didn't
Speaker 3: want them to do it because I thought Kevin would
Speaker 3: get hurt. I'm worried about their shoulders.
Speaker 2: And it started so long, like he's skinny, but yeah.
Speaker 3: And Baby is huge. And it started and Kevin's just
Speaker 3: stared at Baby, and all of a sudden they got
Speaker 3: stuck and Baby gave in and Kevin won, and I
Speaker 3: was blown away by Kevin's That's when if you didn't
Speaker 3: believe in will power before that, you believed in and
Speaker 3: after that. Because I was straight Baby stronger than Kevin Garnett. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and yet Kevin won. It was awesome. It was cool.
Speaker 2: I went to a Clippers preseason game and I sat
Speaker 2: next to Big Baby and the things that he was
Speaker 2: saying to players was insane for my little, you know,
Speaker 2: sixteen year old ears I cannot believe I heard those.
Speaker 3: To the other player on the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, preseason, so there was like Kobe Brown like the
Speaker 2: like you know whatever double rostered player on the Clippers
Speaker 2: that no one knows, and Big Baby's telling him. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, while the games happening, He's like, I really
Speaker 2: like your game, but your shot selection really needs to improve.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 2: You're like, how are you saying that to this guy?
Speaker 2: Like Terrence Man literally looked over at Big Baby and
Speaker 2: was like, you are a psycho, and he just did
Speaker 2: not stop. I loved it on that Celtics scene that
Speaker 2: you said was so competitive. Do you think anyone was
Speaker 2: a secret Lakers fan?
Speaker 3: No? Maybe Paul Pierce growing up, he grew up in
Speaker 3: LA I think he said he was a Clipper fan,
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure. Yeah, but no, I would say,
Speaker 3: and if they were, you would never have said it.
Speaker 3: In Boston. That's that's real. Like the rivalry is real.
Speaker 3: And I didn't really understand that, you know, my first
Speaker 3: year as a Celtic coach until like we I think
Speaker 3: we lost a game that the Celtics and Tommy Heinsen
Speaker 3: and legendary Tim Heninson walked over to me it's like,
Speaker 3: we don't lose to the Lakers. Yeah, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: but they're better, but okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who on the Clippers was the most la like the
Speaker 2: most stereotypical, like always hang out with the celebrities all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: Oh, DeAndre Jordan.
Speaker 1: My guy, he was on slow nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt Burns was close because Matt and DJ probably
Speaker 3: hung out the most and knew the most. Blake knew
Speaker 3: a lot of people too, but Blake was more trying
Speaker 3: to get into the business.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you know, wanted to have fun.
Speaker 3: Andre Andre is the NBA fun guy. Like every team
Speaker 3: you play, they know DJ and they're going out with DJ.
Speaker 3: He's one of my favorite people too. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 3: a good dude.
Speaker 1: He is so nice.
Speaker 2: The other day I reposted you know, he had that
Speaker 2: poster the other day and I reposted it and he said,
Speaker 2: I'm famous now that Sloan reposted my story. And it's like,
Speaker 2: it's just that really means so much to me, you know,
Speaker 2: because guys don't have to say things like that.
Speaker 3: But he would, and he is me. He's a champion. Now.
Speaker 3: I actually think DJ should be the first Clipper Jersey
Speaker 3: retired really, I really do. He was the original one.
Speaker 3: He's all defense. Let me gold medal, NBA champion stay there.
Speaker 3: The longest was traded was never never, just left. So
Speaker 3: I think when they opened a new arena they should
Speaker 3: put DJ's jersey up. I think that'd be really cool.
Speaker 1: Steve Bommer listened to Doklan, please do do it.
Speaker 2: So this one is for my dad and for the
Speaker 2: dads out there, because I obviously was not alive when
Speaker 2: you were on the Knicks. But I think a lot
Speaker 2: of Knicks fans want to hear this. On your Knicks team,
Speaker 2: who do you think was the most likely to win
Speaker 2: a UFC match?
Speaker 3: Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or John Stark or Patrick Ewing?
Speaker 3: And we had that was that was a rough team.
Speaker 3: I love that team.
Speaker 1: If you and Charles Oakley went in the ring, what's
Speaker 1: going down?
Speaker 3: Oh? I beat him. I just punched him to death.
Speaker 3: You know we there's footage Charles Oaklan I had a
Speaker 3: fight when I was with He was with the Knicks
Speaker 3: and I was with the Hawks. We literally they someone
Speaker 3: just sent it to me because it was the anniversary
Speaker 3: of the Charles Oakley Doc Rivers fight. Uh huh. It
Speaker 3: was quick. I threw one punch and they grabbed us,
Speaker 3: and I was thinking, someone grabbed me quick? Please. No,
Speaker 3: Oakley is rough. He'd beat most of the leg for sure, you.
Speaker 1: Think now still, Oh yeah, like him versanis.
Speaker 3: Oakley was a grown man. Like There's see, there's a
Speaker 3: different thing. There's guys who in the NBA will talk
Speaker 3: like they want to fight. There's guys in the NBA
Speaker 3: who will fight, and then there's a few guys who
Speaker 3: want to fight. And oak was a want two guy,
Speaker 3: like he was looking for a fight. There's not a
Speaker 3: lot of guys like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So now let's move on to your kids,
Speaker 2: because it's super cool that not only were you an
Speaker 2: NBA player and an NBA coach, but that your kids
Speaker 2: also were basketball players and athletes, and that you've gotten
Speaker 2: to share that with them. Can you tell me a
Speaker 2: story about your kids that's made you most proud to
Speaker 2: be their dad that has.
Speaker 3: Never been asked? You know, each one of them. I
Speaker 3: guess there's there's different moments. You know, Austin making the
Speaker 3: shot against the North Carolina was a problem, But I
Speaker 3: think my proudest moment of Austin was the day was
Speaker 3: drafted like that was his goal. He wanted to be drafted.
Speaker 3: My daughter won Gatorade Player of the Year in soccer
Speaker 3: in volleyball. I think the most proud moment I am
Speaker 3: of her, honestly is as a mom. She's a great mom,
Speaker 3: and I didn't see that coming. I loved my daughter.
Speaker 3: I didn't see great mom coming. I just didn't. I'm
Speaker 3: being very honest there. My oldest going to Georgetown playing
Speaker 3: in the final four was a problem moment. And my youngest, Spencer,
Speaker 3: who is now an assistant coach with Detroit Pistons, my
Speaker 3: proudest moment of him is they won the state championship.
Speaker 3: I know that sounds crazy. It was high school, but
Speaker 3: they were unranked, and unranked teams in high school never
Speaker 3: win anything. They beat a team that had I think
Speaker 3: like five D one players on it and it was
Speaker 3: the most It was the most prizing state title win
Speaker 3: maybe in Florida state history, and so I was really
Speaker 3: proud of him.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Who is an underrated player in the NBA
Speaker 2: that you've always admired their game?
Speaker 3: Well, everyone knows Shaye now.
Speaker 1: That's always everyone that he's not underrated.
Speaker 3: But he's not underrated anymore. So it's you know, I
Speaker 3: always say Drew Holiday through his career, he's been the
Speaker 3: best defensive player in the NBA, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like two years ago, people start saying, no, no, he's
Speaker 3: a good defensive player. And as a coach, I'm like,
Speaker 3: he's been a great defensive player through his career. So
Speaker 3: I'm happy that he's getting his due now. But he's
Speaker 3: been great for ten years. It's just taking people a
Speaker 3: long time to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who is a player that you've coached in your
Speaker 2: career that you've been impressed by their development? Like when
Speaker 2: they came into your organization, you were like, okay, there whatever,
Speaker 2: and by the time they left, you were amazed by
Speaker 2: what they've done.
Speaker 3: Well, Shaye would have been, but we didn't have. But
Speaker 3: one year, Terry's Maxie is you know, it's funny Sloan
Speaker 3: his rookie year, he was shooting like twenty percent from
Speaker 3: the three point line. And I remember doing a press
Speaker 3: conference after the game and I said, Terry's Maxie is
Speaker 3: a great shooter. And the media there were people they
Speaker 3: literally like they started laughing. They destroyed me for making
Speaker 3: a comment, and I said listen, he's not made a
Speaker 3: shot in the NBA game. I get that, But the
Speaker 3: guy makes one hundred threes in a row in practice,
Speaker 3: fifty threes in a row. That's not a fluke. It's
Speaker 3: gonna come. I don't know when it's gonna come, but
Speaker 3: it's going to come. And I'm happy that I said
Speaker 3: that now because when you're watching play, because if it
Speaker 3: did so, he would be one for sure.
Speaker 2: What was one challenging moment in your playing career that
Speaker 2: you had to overcome?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's an easy one. When I first got in
Speaker 3: the league, I was not a good free throw shooter.
Speaker 3: Second year, I broke my wrists and I literally got
Speaker 3: the yips from the free throw line. And most players
Speaker 3: don't recover from that. Like you gotta be really mentally strong,
Speaker 3: like in baseball. When you get to yips, you have
Speaker 3: to change positions. You can never go back. I think
Speaker 3: I shot like fifty seven percent from the line under
Speaker 3: I tried everything. Trust me. I actually flew to Allentown,
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania because there was a guy named Hank Slider there
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a shooting coach, genius, and he
Speaker 3: actually helped. I still think I may have the NBA
Speaker 3: record for biggest improvement in the year. I think I
Speaker 3: went from fifty seven to eighty seven. Wow, in one year. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The time, though, what people don't see is sitting in
Speaker 3: the backyard shooting free throws. And I was late for
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff because I had to go like
Speaker 3: I would right before dinner. I would always say I
Speaker 3: have to make fifty free throws in a row. Well
Speaker 3: you would do it. Some days that took two or
Speaker 3: three hours, and so I was late for a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, there's those pictures of I think it's Yannis
Speaker 2: and Marty Row's and I think both have an example
Speaker 2: of this where they're literally taking off the court and
Speaker 2: they're still saying they're shooting free throws.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's.
Speaker 3: You'll have to and when people don't understand, like I
Speaker 3: could make forty eight in the row but you miss,
Speaker 3: You're shooting a great percentage, but it's not what you said.
Speaker 3: Whatever the goal you set, you have to reach.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What leadership qualities do you think are essential for an
Speaker 2: NBA coach?
Speaker 3: I think to be just leadership in general. I think
Speaker 3: you have to be a great listener. I think you
Speaker 3: can't be scared to tell the truth. And you can't
Speaker 3: be scared to be unpopular, because as a coach, sometimes
Speaker 3: you're gonna be the most unpopular person in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you're making people do things that they don't want
Speaker 3: to at the time. I always had this rule with
Speaker 3: my players, I'm never going to coach you to who
Speaker 3: you are today. I'm going to coach you who I
Speaker 3: think you should be someday.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And and so that was great with the guys who
Speaker 3: wanted to be something else, but the guys who were
Speaker 3: who had settled, that was hard for them because I
Speaker 3: was still pushing them. So, yeah, I think you have
Speaker 3: to be really stubborn at times. Yeah, but you still
Speaker 3: have to be a great listener. You have to stay
Speaker 3: open minded. That's what you are. Yeah, No, you really
Speaker 3: are at times.
Speaker 2: So you've got a luxury to coach the Lob City trio,
Speaker 2: who actually are all slow Nose alums, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It's my first like trio that I checked off exactly.
Speaker 2: Can you give us a story that you remember with
Speaker 2: the three of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just in playing. I mean, you know, the lop
Speaker 3: City thing had already started before I got there, and
Speaker 3: I just I wanted to be win City. I could
Speaker 3: care less about Lob City. I wanted to be win City.
Speaker 3: But then that Blake and DJ had and the passes
Speaker 3: that Chris made. You know, it's funny. I bet if
Speaker 3: you go back, I think Jamal probably made a couple
Speaker 3: of them too, But for the most part, all those
Speaker 3: passes were Chris Paul involved, and he should probably he
Speaker 3: wasn't a dunker, but he should get more credit, yeah,
Speaker 3: for creating dunk City because it really started when Chris arrived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like for me because I'm a big
Speaker 2: Warriors fan. I always think about that with like Draymond's
Speaker 2: impact on Steph, and we saw this with Draymond's suspension,
Speaker 2: Steph's three point shooting percentage has gone exponentially down. Like
Speaker 2: I think he was shooting like forty three and he
Speaker 2: went all the way to like thirty seven. Because without
Speaker 2: Draymond there, who finds him and he knows where he is,
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen. And I think it's cool to
Speaker 2: credit those behind the scenes guys like Chris where even
Speaker 2: if you don't really see it, it's there.
Speaker 1: Like Blake and DJ couldn't be doing that without him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris was amazing for that team. It's a perfect
Speaker 3: fit in a lot of ways, just like Draymond is.
Speaker 3: You know, thinks Steph is averaging five points last in
Speaker 3: the Games of Draymond doesn't play because Draymond in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways is their point guard for Golden State,
Speaker 3: and they miss him.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have him back. What is your
Speaker 2: favorite part about being your grandpa?
Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's the best thing ever, that's better than I.
Speaker 3: First of all, let me just say this, Dale got
Speaker 3: the nickname g Daddy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So that's the perfect it's a perfect grandpa name, right,
Speaker 3: So he gets to stay cool and.
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 3: I'm grandpa? So I'm like this old dude. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm younger than Dale. How did this happen? And so
Speaker 3: Dale got it first, so he's happy. You know. The
Speaker 3: greatest part is the love, Like you know, you know
Speaker 3: who the common opponent is, and it's the parents. I
Speaker 3: come in, I'm Candy, gifts play and then the best
Speaker 3: part and then I can leave.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the last part of each Sloan Nose episode
Speaker 2: is trivia about you.
Speaker 3: Which I don't know it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're just gonna come up clean with that
Speaker 2: because a lot of people are like, very cocky.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know trivia about myself and they rarely do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So DeAndre and Chris, when I interviewed DeAndre, you know,
Speaker 2: we're like chatting it up about who was the best
Speaker 2: that Sloane knows trivia. So if you want to join
Speaker 2: in on that chat, let me know how that goes.
Speaker 2: But anyways, earlier today I interviewed Kelsey Plump and she
Speaker 2: got a score of eight point five. And last week
Speaker 2: I interviewed Santi al Dama of the Grizzlies and he
Speaker 2: got a score of eleven. We've been doing this trivia
Speaker 2: for a while. Just thought of this sort of scoring situation.
Speaker 2: So if you probably asked DeAndre, he'd say he got
Speaker 2: like in one hundred. I would say he got more
Speaker 2: like a one.
Speaker 3: He's very bad.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would agree, okay, Okay, So the points system
Speaker 1: is this, So zero points is nowhere close goodness, zero
Speaker 1: point five is in the ballparks of a correct answer.
Speaker 1: One is very close, and two is nailed it.
Speaker 2: But I'm a very tough critic, Okay, like if you
Speaker 2: if you debate with.
Speaker 1: Me, I'm gonna tee you up. I'm gonna find you everything.
Speaker 1: There's no debating. Okay, it's my grade book and that's
Speaker 1: how it goes.
Speaker 2: So you're a mean NBA referee, I would be a
Speaker 2: meaning dea yeah referee, I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I would suspend like I would throw people out of there.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to see it.
Speaker 2: Okay, ready, okay, you were the Hawks all time leader
Speaker 2: and assists. How many assists did you have for the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks?
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, numbers? Yeah, I would never know that.
Speaker 3: Let me try to guess for mate. I'm doing quick
Speaker 3: math here.
Speaker 2: Two thousand, three thousand, eight hundred sixty six. Unfortunately, Doc,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to give you a zero.
Speaker 1: That's not in the Yeah. Next question, how many regular
Speaker 1: season games did you play in your career?
Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, the number thing. I don't even know
Speaker 3: my numbers after a game. Okay, eighty two games a year, yeah,
Speaker 3: thirteen years with injury. Oh, I'm gonna go on.
Speaker 2: Thousand, eight hundred and sixty four, eight hundred sixty four.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Do we feel like I feel like that's for this
Speaker 1: that's in the ballpark, right, that's like in the ball park.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. So zero point.
Speaker 3: But did you count playoffs?
Speaker 2: No, this is regular, but by the way, with playoffs,
Speaker 2: it probably would be around that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm checking.
Speaker 1: I get to right, Okay, okay, So you were.
Speaker 2: The Sixers coach from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: How many Sixers coaches have there been before you.
Speaker 3: In total in history? Yeah? Goodness, Okay, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with uh, because the Sixers fire a lot. I mean,
Speaker 3: they've had three and four coaches in the one season.
Speaker 3: What we did we just do the fifty year anniversary recently.
Speaker 1: In the NBA, Yeah, seventy fifth year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a chance of seventy five coaches. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go with sixty coaches.
Speaker 1: Sixty Yeah, it's fifteen what oh.
Speaker 3: My gosh in the total.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a good thing then, actually, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Change the positivity thing, right, team in here with a
Speaker 2: negative perception of the Sixers office. And because I'm just
Speaker 2: this new, fresh, amazing perspective, I get that to you.
Speaker 3: Right, just changed my whole perspective, even.
Speaker 1: Though I just change your whole perspective. I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to give you a zero. That was probably the
Speaker 1: most that I've ever gotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you can. Let's get back from it.
Speaker 2: Let's bounce back.
Speaker 1: Who was your career high in points against as a player?
Speaker 3: I think I did it twice, and I want to
Speaker 3: say the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1: Let's get the other team.
Speaker 3: Then, I don't know the other team. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 2: The team no longer exists, Well they do, but with
Speaker 2: a different name and in a different.
Speaker 1: City, New Orleans SuperSonics.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's funny. I'm just teaching so many things.
Speaker 3: So that's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I meant, like because like technically, but I.
Speaker 3: Thought I had the same number against the Celtics.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna have to fact check that. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean Google does say.
Speaker 3: What was it? Thirty seven?
Speaker 2: I believe so, yes, thirty seven. You were an All
Speaker 2: Star in nineteen eighty eight. Who won the three point
Speaker 2: contest that year?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna guess, Larry Bird.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy. Yeah stuck. Yeah, finally, Okay, two points.
Speaker 1: So right now you're at two point five. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 3: Zero zero zero. Yeah, I'm better than dj R exactly.
Speaker 1: Who won the dunk contest for that All.
Speaker 3: Star Well, I know who should have won. Michael won.
Speaker 1: Michael did win. Yeah, correct, so I get.
Speaker 3: Points for that, Yes, but I know who should have won.
Speaker 3: Dominique one.
Speaker 1: Dominique should have won.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was in Caago some Dominic had no chick.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't count should have won? He did win.
Speaker 2: Okay, so four point five love it. How many points
Speaker 2: did you have in the nineteen eighty eight All Star Game?
Speaker 3: Well, I have no idea thirteen nine, that's.
Speaker 1: In the ballpark. I'll give you zero point five.
Speaker 3: I think I had a I missed a ton of
Speaker 3: free throws in that game. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bad But then once you improved,
Speaker 2: I was improved already.
Speaker 3: I just had a bad night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're a five five doc.
Speaker 2: I know you talk all the talk about being a
Speaker 2: good dad, right, But what is Austin's career.
Speaker 3: High in the NBA? Yes, oh, he did it in
Speaker 3: the bubble. I know that forty one?
Speaker 2: Correct, was a guest Austin. That is impressive, right, that's
Speaker 2: that's good for that. I d MD Austin and I
Speaker 2: was like, Austin, I'm interviewing your dad.
Speaker 1: What should I ask him? And he didn't even answer,
Speaker 1: So like not chill of Austin.
Speaker 3: That's Austin with text. That's also everything. He doesn't respond.
Speaker 3: I bet he will respond, but he's gonna take him back.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take him by a week and then it'll
Speaker 1: be like awkward. Already interviewed him. That's your opportunity there.
Speaker 2: But okay, you actually an insane comeback. So now you're
Speaker 2: at seven points with two questions left. Wow, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're giving Kelsey a run for her money? Eight point five?
Speaker 1: How many assists did you average at Marquette?
Speaker 3: At Marquette, I'm taking you back. These are some tough ones.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go six.
Speaker 1: Point five, four point six? Come on, dot, I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: how did they.
Speaker 3: Think that's that's close? How did they think I was
Speaker 3: a point guard?
Speaker 1: Is it close? Two more?
Speaker 2: Okay, I hear you, but two more assists assist isn't
Speaker 2: something that little?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, that's just four points.
Speaker 1: It could have been six points.
Speaker 3: Not in my air?
Speaker 1: Your so do I there's no three points? So am
Speaker 1: I giving you in the ballpark in the neighborhood. In
Speaker 1: the neighborhood should feel like zero point three point three?
Speaker 1: Take that's like the teachers, like I can give you
Speaker 1: one zero point one points back like I that doesn't
Speaker 1: really help.
Speaker 3: Led the team and assists at four and a half, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we must have really been there.
Speaker 1: Not a good look.
Speaker 2: How many Marquette players have been drafted to the NBA total?
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, twenty one.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give you another. It's much more than that.
Speaker 2: You have to give Markett a little bit more credit.
Speaker 3: Twenty one's a lot, I know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You have to give. Like Marquette
Speaker 1: is a good bess.
Speaker 3: That is a great best you d.
Speaker 1: Wade Jimmy Buckets, like, come on, give credit that they deserve.
Speaker 3: About thirty five?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you have no confidence? Fifty seven?
Speaker 3: Is that right? Wow?
Speaker 1: I know crazy Marquette. Yeah, yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that I get a zero on that.
Speaker 1: But I'm very happy of your final score. Seven point three.
Speaker 1: That's probably like a C.
Speaker 3: That's a C.
Speaker 1: Well, that's fine.
Speaker 3: That was me in school.
Speaker 1: Okay, love it.
Speaker 2: So you're just continuing that now, Doc, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for being here. I had so much fun, and
Speaker 2: even though you were pretty bad at the trivia, I
Speaker 2: felt really good at answering all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well once you went numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, numbers, numbers, I love it. Well, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. This is so much fun.
Speaker 3: By the way, you're doing amazing.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: You can get links to my socials and see behind
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