1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I was like, promise me, you're going to call me back, 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: and she said I promise and click. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: That was it. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: That was the last I spoke to her. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, Libby Caswell was found dead in a 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: motel room in Independence, Missouri. She was twenty one years old, 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: a young mom working hard to get by. The police investigation. 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Was brief, this is not a promicide. This is a suicide. 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: But Libby's mom doesn't believe the official story. 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: I thought, well, they must have missed this fingernail. It 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: wasn't till much later, and I thought, why would they 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: not search the car. 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: She assembled a team of experts who looked at the 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: evidence and think Libby was murdered. We have a term 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: called JDLR, which means just don't look right. Libby's case 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: stands out in my mind and keeps you awake at night. 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Sooner or later, somebody talks. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: My name is Melissa Jelson. I'm a reporter who covers 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: violence against women. On season two of my podcast What 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Happened To I take a closer look at Libby Caswell's 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: life and death. She was just like a gright happy person. 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: Libby don't get me and said Nathan, I don't know. 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: Something just seems off right now. I've spent the last 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: year talking to Libby's friends and family, uncovering details of 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: her life and the secrets that may have endangered it. 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: I knew she was doing something, but she just wouldn't 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: admit it to me at Birst and so I was like, 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like what did he just hit her? 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: She told me like she was done, Like she's done 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: going back and forth, and now she's finally going to 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: do what she needed to do for her. This is 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: a podcast about the systems that are supposed to help women, 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: but don't. We have very strong stereotypes about the ways 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: that victims of domestic violence are supposed to act. 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I think the law is set out to punish families. 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: Those agencies are failing to do the right thing, And 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: it's about one mom's search for justice. 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: She started advising me, get your records, get your stuff together, 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: because this is going to be the fight of your life. 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: Join me on a journey to uncover what really happened 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: to Libby Caswell. Everyone deserves to know the truth and 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: if there was something that was not right and someone 43 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: should be held accountable, Somebody dropped the ball. The medical 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: examiner ruled Libby's death undetermined. They go, what do you 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: mean they undetermined? I wish I could go back in 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: time and go stay with her at that hotel. It 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: was crying, and I said, and I was like, man, 48 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: what happened. 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: If this was a powerful woman with status, this case 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: would have been resolved by now and the killer would 51 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: be in jail. 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: But Libby Caswell didn't have status. 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: What happened to her is unknown, and it's something that 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: I need to know. 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: Listen to What Happened to Libby Caswell starting November two 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: your podcasts