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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, it's not Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: Junior jumping on the pod. That's right, it's Zach Gershman

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Speaker 2: and Darren Urban stepping in for today's Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of duos, we spoke with James Connor earlier in

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Speaker 2: the week. Darren and I discussed the one two punch

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Speaker 2: down OT eight. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight hundred

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: P to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's ad the ten half of five pays it again?

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Speaker 1: Zach gersh Man. All right, Darren, so let's have some

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Speaker 1: fun here. Let's start off with the true.

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Speaker 4: Or well, I don't know if we're going to if

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna at least try to. I'm thinking the same

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Speaker 4: Then I'm fine. Now you know I got my coffee.

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Speaker 1: See I didn't get my coffee and you got Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: That's wrong. Well you'm gonna get.

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Speaker 4: Your coffee because you probably didn't get out of your

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Speaker 2: Drove into the building five minutes before the show started. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we're here, So let's start off with the true or false? Yes,

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Speaker 2: true or false? Darren, have you ever had a moment

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever actually been scrolling through

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Speaker 4: That's a little troubling, but yeah, I mean there have

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Speaker 1: And it's not.

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Speaker 2: Because I was preparing the run down here for Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Cover two presented by Hundai. Instead, I'll scrolling through YouTube

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Speaker 4: The if you it's the song about not receiving a

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about OTAs James Connor, Trey Benson in

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Speaker 4: It's finny, So I asked Drew Petsing, you know, what

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because when we were out there on the

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to say this about winning and where

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Speaker 4: there should be pressure. I've also said this, like when

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Speaker 2: And of course it's always about still building from within

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Speaker 2: he going to become that RB one. In today's NFL,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think he can make a substantial jump even

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Speaker 2: In thirteen games, Trey Benson had sixty three carries, sixteen

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Speaker 4: It felt like James Connor rubbed off on Trey Benson.

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Speaker 2: Darren, You've been covering the league since before I was

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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is I do not want to make

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Speaker 4: to put in time. You have to if you're a player,

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Speaker 4: you have to get in the weight room, you have

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Speaker 4: to continue to study your playbook. It's not just automatic.

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Speaker 4: I do think, however, there is an automatic component to

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Speaker 4: the confidence level on a very basic concept of you've

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Speaker 4: been through it once already. Think about when you went

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Speaker 4: to Penn State. Unfortunately you went You went through one

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Speaker 4: year of college and then your second year are like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I've got this. It's like the back of my hand.

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Speaker 2: Now can I can I do this to you right now?

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Speaker 2: College was COVID, So okay, it's automatic.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that was messed up. Okay, never mind, in that case,

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Speaker 4: I scrub all that, Cody.

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Speaker 2: I was just excited to get back to a campus

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Speaker 2: at that trate and get off of zoom.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, so like there, there is going to be

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Speaker 4: this automatic confidence that's going to come with a Trey

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Speaker 4: Benson or a Darius Robinson or a Marvin Harrison junior

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Speaker 4: or all those guys. It's automatically going to get there.

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Speaker 4: And then if you put in extra work, it's just

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Speaker 4: going to jump. And so going back to your original question,

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Speaker 4: the confidence is absolute to be there. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's one of the things that helps this team is

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Speaker 4: you've chosen to use a lot of young players and

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Speaker 4: now you've built it to the point where they have

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Speaker 4: a little bit of experience, and it's not a ton

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Speaker 4: of experience, but it's enough that that part of it

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be that big of a problem.

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Speaker 2: And I think you started to see that a little bit,

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Speaker 2: like a guy with a guy like Isaiah Adams at

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Speaker 2: that right guard spot, because in the very beginning, I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget Kyler Murray's press conference where he was talking

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Speaker 2: about Isaiah Adams celebrating and he was saying he's got

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Speaker 2: to relax a little bit. And I remember speaking with

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Adams towards the back end of the season. I

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Speaker 2: was doing a story on Asycardinals Dot com about players

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Speaker 2: in their first year and what they were able to learn,

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Speaker 2: and something Isaiah Adams said that really strugl with me

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Speaker 2: was after those celebrations, once that became a little bit old,

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Speaker 2: he realized just how much he actually belonged out there

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Speaker 2: on the field. It wasn't just yes, kids, these guys

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Speaker 2: are living their their dreams. This is something that when

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Speaker 2: they were kids they looked up to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: Now it's no longer jes I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: Now it's I belong to be here. In the very beginning,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have all these rookie duties, especially those offensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: And now the rookie duties are kind of put to

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Speaker 1: the side.

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Speaker 2: And in a room like that, you need to show

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Speaker 2: what you're able to bring to the table. And I

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Speaker 2: think a guy like Isaiah Adams is one of those players.

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Speaker 2: I'm most excited to make that year one to year

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Speaker 2: two jump, Darren, if you could pick a player from

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Speaker 2: that class outside of Marvin Harrison Junior and Darius Robinson,

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Speaker 2: and we already spoke a little bit about Trey Benson,

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Speaker 2: who are you most eager to see make that year

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Speaker 2: one to year two jump?

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Speaker 4: Wait, from last year's class.

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Speaker 2: Yes, into this coming year. So you just took I

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Speaker 2: took away Marvin Harrison junior Darius Robinson and Trey Benson,

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Speaker 2: who we just spent the first ten minutes talking about,

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Speaker 2: and Marvin Harrison junior Darius Robinson, who we spent the

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Speaker 2: offseason talking about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know this is gonna be obvious, but I

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Speaker 4: think given the injury to Sean Murphy Bunting and where

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Speaker 4: they are in the secondary, it's got to be Max Melton.

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Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, it was a second around pick.

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Speaker 4: You're not taking a second round pick to be your

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Speaker 4: fourth cornerback, or you shouldn't be. And I thought he

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Speaker 4: had some good moments at the end of last season,

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Speaker 4: and I think there's opportunity there. You know, what happens

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Speaker 4: with Will Johnson, I think will be seen and I

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Speaker 4: do not think. I mean, I think Jonathan Gannon, more

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Speaker 4: so than maybe any head coach that I can remember

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Speaker 4: coaching this team in my long ten year covering him,

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Speaker 4: is willing to play younger players or rookies. But to me,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be disappointed if Max Melton is not

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Speaker 4: in the starting lineup when the season starts.

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Speaker 2: So if it was Will Johnson. Let's say in Starling Thomas,

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Speaker 2: you would be surprised by that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say I'm going to be surprised, but

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Speaker 4: I think Max Melton needs to make a push, and

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Speaker 4: I think Max Meltin's that got a year in over

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson that at least to start the season, you

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Speaker 4: would hope that he's holding off Will Johnson. And to

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Speaker 4: the to the beginning, the Starling Thomas thing is really interesting.

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Speaker 4: And I know you and here are tight because you've

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Speaker 4: done a number of stories with him and he's a

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Speaker 4: great story. And whether he can hold off a couple

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Speaker 4: of second round picks, I think is going to be

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Speaker 4: one of the stories of camp because again, you drafted

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson in the second round, you drafted Max Mountain

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Speaker 4: in the second round. Now, Starling Thomas has started for

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Speaker 4: two years, but some of that was out of necessity,

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Speaker 4: and now can he does he have the skill set

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Speaker 4: to hold him off? I think Starling Thomas will continue

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Speaker 4: to be an important person on this roster because of

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Speaker 4: his experience and what he's brought to the table. But again,

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Speaker 4: the pedigree is such that that's what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Of one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And when I think people discuss the Arizona Cardinals' cornerback room,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be looking at They were all before

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Speaker 2: Shaw Murphy Bunny's injury, they were deciding who were you

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Speaker 2: actually going to be able to keep because there's a

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Speaker 2: guy like Elijah Jones who now going into year number

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Speaker 2: two as well, even though it's gonna be his first

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Speaker 2: season out on the field, and you don't know what

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Speaker 2: you got in the third round in the third round pick,

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a very interesting process. Also very

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Speaker 2: interested to see what the Cardinals end up doing with

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Speaker 2: a guy like Xavier Weaver, a deep downfield threat. He

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Speaker 2: was only active for two games, although he was on

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Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster throughout the entire season in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. If he was only active for those

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Speaker 2: two games, the game against Green Bay in the season

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Speaker 2: finale against the San Francisco forty nine ers in place

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Speaker 2: of Michael Wilson who had that shoulder injury, if I'm

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Speaker 2: not mistaken, only had one target in that game, but

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Speaker 2: he Drew Petsick said, Marvin Harrison Junior is absolutely could

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Speaker 2: still be used as that deep threat will actually end

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Speaker 2: up seeing because they do have two very fast guys

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Speaker 2: on the roster and Ques Watkins and Xavier Weavers.

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Speaker 4: So you bring up Weaver. We didn't even mention Elijah Jones.

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Speaker 4: It was a third round pick last year that we

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Speaker 4: don't know. He's a complete mystery, you know. Again, they

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Speaker 4: they drafted a lot of guys, and all the guys

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Speaker 4: that they've drafted since Monti assin Fort showed up are

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Speaker 4: still around. So I'm guessing they're not all going to

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Speaker 4: be around by the time we get to this season

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Speaker 4: because this is where they built their roster too.

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Speaker 2: It was fascinating looking around at the OTA's field and

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Speaker 2: you got to see how many of Mantia austin Ford's

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Speaker 2: draft picks are actually out on the field. This is

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Speaker 2: a team that, yeah, you have to supplement over you know,

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Speaker 2: free agency, but also in the draft to just be

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Speaker 2: able to see.

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Speaker 1: The guys that are out there. They were. They were

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Speaker 1: full of many Austin Fork guys.

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Speaker 4: That's what you do when you're rebuilding a team. You know. Again,

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Speaker 4: we said earlier about how it's not often you get

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Speaker 4: a three year rebuild. Well that's why we're here, and

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Speaker 4: Manti austin Ford stripped this roster down to the studs

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Speaker 4: and rebuilt from scratch essentially, and it's it's a long process.

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Speaker 4: But now we're here and now we get to see

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Speaker 4: what that looks like. And you know, I'm fascinating. I am.

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Speaker 4: I am very curious to see what happens with the

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Speaker 4: schedule and with this team. A lot's going to land

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Speaker 4: on the quarterback. We'll get to that in another day.

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Speaker 4: But like it's, it's going to be, it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a year in the spotlight to see how this

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Speaker 4: turns out.

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Speaker 2: So as we get to set to wrap this up,

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Speaker 2: let's bring it right back to the beginning, as every

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Speaker 2: good journalist tries to do.

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Speaker 1: True or false? Do you have fun with you? On

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals cover two.

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Speaker 4: I'm I know you're gonna clip this. I know you're

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Speaker 4: gonna make it a thing, but I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 4: as far as you.

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Speaker 1: Know that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I mean integrity with Darren Irban, I'm not fully sure,

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Speaker 2: just kidding. Darren Urban is great and I'm not just

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Speaker 2: saying that because he is my supervisor. Anyway that I'll

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Speaker 2: do it here on Cardinals cover two,