1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: With the ongoing war against Iran, national security experts are 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: sounding the alarm about retaliation right here at home, sleeper cells, 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: proxy attacks, or inspired alone actors targeting American soil and Americans. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: So we've got Nicole Parker, former FBI. 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Special agent, my colleague at Fox News and also the 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: author of two fbis, to talk about this, to ask 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: her about her experience in counter terrorism, how do we 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: prevent these things? What should you be looking out for. 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: This also hits close to home for her as a 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Texan because just days ago, a gunman opened fire outside 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: of Austin. A gunman opened fire outside of an Austin, 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Texas bar, killing three. He wore a property of all 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: a sweatshirt as well as an Iranian flag, which is 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: leading investigators to believe that it was most likely a 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: terror attack. So we'll ask her about all of this 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: what you should know Stay tuned for Nicole Parker. Well, Nicole, 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on my friend. You know, obviously, 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: with everything that is happening and Iran in the Middle 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: East right now, we're worried about what could simultaneously be 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: happening here at home. We saw what very much looks 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: like a terror attack in Austin, Texas recently. He was 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: not on anyone's radar. I mean, what kind of challenge 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: does that present authorities in the FBI moving forward, that 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: you could even have someone like, you know, this guy 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: in Texas who you know, no one's all coming, is 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: not even from Iran. 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: Right exactly. So, Lisa, you bring up a very important 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: point because in light of what's happening with Iran, the 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: FBI is obviously on high alert, and I think the 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: mood has really heightened up recently since you know, a 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: few days ago. But remember, starting in October seventh, Israel 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: was attacked. That's really when the FBI started seeing a 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: huge influx. And even Christopher Ray, when he was the 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: FBI director prior to the Trump administration coming back, he 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: has divied before Congress and said, you know, all red 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: lights are flashing warnings, alert threats are at an all 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: time high. And so I think we're back in that 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: very elevated threat level right now. And so it's always 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: been a challenge for the FBI to track what I 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: refer to as loan offenders. 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Some people call them lone wolfs. I do not. 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: I think that's giving them sort of an image that 45 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: they are some sort of hero when a wolf. 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: No, they're not. 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: They're actually loan offenders. They're loan cowards. And the individual 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: that was out in Austin, you know, early Sunday morning 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: and that awful shooting that occurred, that is something that 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: I believe was linked to terrorism. I know the FBI 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: is looking at it very closely, but it has all 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: the earmarks that would indicate such. He obviously had on 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: a sweatshirt that said, you know, property of Allah. Underneath that, 54 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: he had on a shirt that indicated an iranium flag. 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: They executed search Warree at his home in Luggerville outside 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: of Austin, where they found an iranium flag. They found 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: photos of regime leaders at his home, and so it 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: appears to have a strong nexus to terrorism. But even 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: looking at that, like you said, this individual is from Senegal. 60 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: Individuals do not have to be from Iran to have 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: issue with what's happening with Iran. A lot of these 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: loan offenders they look at opportunities, they're really opportunists, and 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: they see a moment where they can have notoriety and 64 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: fame and they think they're part of a bigger cause. 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: And that's something that in the FBI we look very 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: closely at these loan offenders to see what drives them, 67 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: what is their grievance, what is it that motivates them, 68 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: what is the motivation behind doing what they do. So, 69 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: in looking at this specific investigation that again is still ongoing, 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: these individuals do tend to be the highest risk because 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: they are typically the most difficult to detect. 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: They are more. 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: Difficult to track, and this individual they will look into 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: determining when was he radicalized, how was he radicalized. A 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: lot of these people that are going to be acting up, 76 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: and I'm saying will be because I don't think that 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: this is the last time this will be happening. A 78 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: lot of times these are people that are sympathizers that 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: you know, just have sympathy towards the cause and do 80 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: not agree with what the United States is doing in Iran. 81 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: So you've got that aspect of potential terrorism acts that 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: can happen. And again, Lisa, this can happen anywhere. It 83 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 3: can happen in Austin, it could happen in Iowa. It 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: could happen small town, big towns, large cities, you know, 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: anywhere could. 86 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: Be a target. 87 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: And that again is why it's very important for Americans 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: to be on high alert. Regardless of where you live, 89 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: regardless of how safe you think your community is. People 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: always think it's not going to happen here. It just 91 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: takes one person who decides to go out and do 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: something evil and then all of a sudden, your community 93 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: is the victim of a Hainus crime. 94 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, and we know that there were you know, 95 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: a record number of people in the terror watch list 96 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: trying to get into the country under Joe Biden, who 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: knows how many actually got into the United States. We 98 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: keep hearing about sleeper cells, like how do you categorize 99 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: a sleeper cell at the FBI, and like how do 100 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: you find those in distruction? Then how many do you 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: think are in the United States right now? 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: That would be impossible to know how many are in 103 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: the United States right now, because it's not that we 104 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: think that terrorists came into our country. We know that 105 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: terrorists came into our country when you have an open 106 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: border where literally people are welcomed in. Not only were 107 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: they just allowed and but once some of these individuals 108 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: came in, millions of people came in illegally into our country. 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: And then what did we do? We gave them all 110 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: of these amazing benefits, you know, more benefits than American 111 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: citizens get staying in fancy hotels in New York and 112 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: getting cell phones and credit cards. I mean, it was 113 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 3: absurd what happened. But that's a very, very huge concern 114 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: for the FBI and it has been since bided administration 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: because when you don't know who's coming into your country, 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: you don't know what problem you have on your hands. 117 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: What we do know is that there were a lot 118 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: of military age men from adversarial nations that were coming 119 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: across the border. 120 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: That is a fact. 121 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: We do know that people were allowed into this country 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: that were on terror watchless, that's a fact. We don't 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: know how many. I know that there's people that you know, 124 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: we're working down near the border in the FBI at 125 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: the time that that was happening, and they would guess 126 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: that there were thousands of known or suspected terrorists or 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: intelligence linked associates that somehow just came into our country 128 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: and disappeared. And it's kind of like playing the game 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: of hide and go see where are they now? They're 130 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: somewhere within our borders, and it's up to law enforcement 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: to track them down. And this is the time with 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: people that are members of these quote sleeper cells. You know, 133 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: they're quiet until all of a sudden they're not, and 134 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: there's something that triggers them and they're like, you know what, 135 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: now is the time that we're going to act, and 136 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: you just don't ever know when that will be. The 137 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: FBI has certain investigative techniques which obviously we cannot reveal 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: in public settings, and certain information that's obviously classified that 139 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: you can't reveal. But there are ways that the FBI 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: can track certain things and indicate where these people are. 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: They keep a close eye on these individuals, but you 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: don't know what you don't know. You can't have people 143 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: coming into your country completely unvetted. Now, think about how 144 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: ridiculous this is. After nine to eleven, the United States 145 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: spent billions, if not even more, on national security on 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: our homeland to avoid having something like that happen ever again, 147 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: only to just have that completely undone by allowing whoever 148 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: wanted you to come into our country. So it's very 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: frustrating to myself as a witness of nine to eleven. 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: I think you know this. I was working at Maryland 151 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: eyewitnessed to happen down there at the World Trade Center 152 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: and to think of how much progress our country made 153 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: only to go back in time and lose a lot 154 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: of that progress because of allowing these individuals in. We've 155 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: said it, but we are like sitting ducks in many ways. 156 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: And so when you have the conflict that's going on 157 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: with Iran right now, you have people within our nation 158 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: that you know, whenever they choose to act, they can, 159 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: and I hope that they don't. One thing that's very 160 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: different right now is we have the leadership of President Trump. 161 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: And one thing I know about President Trump is he 162 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: does not play. And if he says he's going to 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: do something, he will. And if you touch your mess 164 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: with America, he will unleash the full wrath of our 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: military and every resource that we have against you. So 166 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: now would not be the time for someone to act 167 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: up in the United States and do a full force 168 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: terrorist attack. I personally do not believe it would be 169 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: something like nine to eleven. I think what law enforcement 170 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: intelligence believes is that it would be more likely these 171 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: one off loan offenders. But again we never know. We 172 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: do not know what could be planned or what could 173 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: be happening. But I think what they do know is 174 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: that we have leadership in place now that they're not 175 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: messing around. And I couldn't say that under the Bland administration. 176 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: I couldn't say that under the Obama administration either. In 177 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: those administrations, they wouldn't even call terrorism out for what 178 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: it actually was. That's not the case anymore. 179 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick commercial break more with Nicole 180 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: on the other side, what does the radicalization process look 181 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: like for some of these folks? 182 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: So it's different for different individuals, but one thing that 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: a lot of times they do look at or individuals 184 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: that are vulnerable, people that are looking to be a 185 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: part of a greater cause, that want to be something 186 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: bigger than themselves, that you know, are looking for a 187 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: sense of belonging and self worth. 188 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: It can be very. 189 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: Different in different settings, but there are different ways that 190 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: they tend to find individuals. They tend to be younger, 191 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: and with social media platforms and different apps and things 192 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: that they can go into in systems where they can 193 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: literally track people to see who might be vulnerable, who 194 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: might be open to this, who might be sympathetic towards 195 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: people that they think are marginalized in society. Those tend 196 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: to be the individuals that are prime targets for radicalization. 197 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: But these various techniques. But I do think that technological 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: platforms can be so beneficial to society, but it can 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: also be used against you. I think that's how a 200 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 3: lot of this happens. People can be radicalized by people 201 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: from across the world here in the United States, and 202 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: again when we look at who's radicalized, you know, it 203 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: could be someone who's from some of these adversarial nations 204 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: who come here, who that's their belief system because of 205 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: where they come from, or they could be US citizens 206 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: that just all of a sudden are sympathetic towards what's 207 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: happening in Iran and they don't think it's right and 208 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: they think, you know, so it runs the gamut as 209 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: far as who is a target for radicalization, but it 210 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: does tend to be you know a lot of times 211 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: these individuals that are looking to be part of a 212 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: greater cause, a greater good, and you know, they think 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: that they're saving the world, when in reality they're getting 214 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: sucked into a vore tex of evil. I think also 215 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: we talk a lot about kinetic attacks. You know, that's 216 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: something that you know, the Loana funder attacks, the sleeper 217 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: cell types attacks, and nine to eleven type attacks, but 218 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: we cannot underestimate what I think is even a bigger 219 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: risk are cyber attacks. Cyber attacks against our technological systems 220 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: or critical infrastructure. There's one thing that terrorists like to cause, 221 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 3: and its complete confusion and havoc and fear, and they 222 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: like to take control and if you can, you know, 223 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: destabilize societies, taking out power grid systems, water systems, even 224 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: the nine to one to one dispatch pullings system. I 225 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: talk to my colleagues a lot, and maybe I shouldn't 226 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: talk about it, but that would, in my opinion, be 227 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 3: something that they would target first, because that's where you're 228 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: going to call when you're in chaos? 229 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: Is nine to one one? How hard is it to 230 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: do that? How capable is iron? Do we know? I? 231 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to give a ron too much credit. 232 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: I mean, they're not whatever they're capable of, We're stronger, 233 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say. And I'm just going 234 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: to leave it at that Okay, we've got more capabilities 235 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: than anybody in the world, and to protect our nation, 236 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: we have the ability to protect and test me worth 237 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: warning these types of plots every day and Americans you 238 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: don't hear about it, but these things are getting stopped 239 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: all the time. And so I just think, you know, 240 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: we're always thinking of like you know, nine to eleven 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: for those of us that we're alive during that era, 242 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: But it could be something much different where you don't 243 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: have to have boots on the ground to do some 244 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: sort of cyber attack in attacking our critical infrastructure. So again, 245 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: there's different things that they could do. I think one 246 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: thing that I've also learned is a lot of times 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 3: that comes when you're least expecting it. A lot of 248 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: times when you're expecting it and everyone's on alert, they 249 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: know better than to act out at that time. It 250 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: can happen to just the most random moments. But again, 251 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: depending on the type of attack that they're looking at doing, 252 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: whether it's there a loan of funder or cyber attack 253 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: or technological attack, obviously there's different motives for each, but 254 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: it all comes back to the same same thing. When 255 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: you're in the FBI, you take an oath to support 256 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. 257 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: And that is what the FBI is doing right now. 258 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 3: You know, and I know that under the Biden administration, 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: the FBI had kind of lost its way. They were 260 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: focused on quote unquote domestic terrorism from January sixth and 261 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: all of that nonsense. And now there's no time for that. 262 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: They've completely cut that out. They're doing their real work. 263 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: They have all their energy and resources focused towards the 264 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: real threats and national health. Americans have greater peace that 265 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 3: we're in a much better situation than we were a 266 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: year and a half ago under the Biden administration, because 267 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: now you have law enforcement agencies that are actually focused, 268 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: ready to go. The Joint Terrorism Task Forces. I'm sure 269 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: you're familiar with that. The jttfs. These are agencies that 270 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: consist of federal agencies, state. 271 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: Local, and they work together in tandem. 272 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: Because think about it, Lisa, Let's say the community of Miami. 273 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: The local police know more about Miami than the FBI. 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: That's their jurisdiction. Let's say in Miami Beach. So what 275 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: they do is they work together very very closely in 276 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: stopping all of these potential threats and so the FBI's 277 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: resources the DHS. And that's another point I want to 278 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: make right now is the time for DHS to be 279 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: fully funded because they need the full support and they 280 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: need to be getting paid while they're effected to work 281 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: at the highest levels to protect our nation. And so 282 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: DHS was formulated after nine to eleven, and right now 283 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: they're not even getting full funding. That's unacceptable out of 284 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: time when we're at the highest level of threat. They 285 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: need to be making sure that they're getting full funding. 286 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: So between FBI, DHS, all of our other law enforcement agencies, 287 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: with our jttfs, they're working around the clock. And I 288 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: can just say, for example, in South Florida, the local 289 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: police they're putting out more officers onto the streets in 290 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: light of what's happening with Iran as well. So it's 291 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: not just the FBI, it's also your local law enforcement 292 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: all hands on deck. Everyone has to be aware of 293 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: what's happening, and they're stopping threats as well. It's starting 294 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: from your local jurisdictions all the way up to the 295 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: federal JURISDICTIONSQUET. 296 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: Just want you to know that twice now in the podcast, 297 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: you've read my mind, because I was going to ask 298 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: you about cyber and then you peremptively went there without 299 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: me even having to act. And that was also going 300 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: to ask you about the FBI, because I know that 301 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: you expressed your frustration and even wrote the book about it, 302 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: about your frustration with how the FBI was focused on 303 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: finding a grandmother that spent two seconds in the capitol 304 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: instead of like terrorists. And you know, so I was 305 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: going to ask you about that too, and then you 306 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: you preempted me as well. 307 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: Oh great minds sink alike. Right, But I mean it's 308 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: true because it's frustrating to think what waste of resources 309 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: they were putting towards things that didn't matter, and now 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: that we're dealing with the true threats, it's not you know, 311 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: it's like, I mean, look at what cash Metel has 312 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: been tasked with. He just basically walked into a disaster zone. Here. 313 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: By the way, cash Ptel, can you fix the FBI 314 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: and what happened and what went wrong for basically the 315 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: last ten years. Oh and by the way, you're dealing 316 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: with the highest threat levels ever, so can you just 317 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: take care of all of that. He's dealing with a lot. 318 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: I can tell you he's working around the clock, and 319 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: agents are working around the clock. The violent crime numbers 320 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: and are the lowest that they've been in our nation 321 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: in a very long time. He's I mean, they are 322 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: working tirelessly, and so I refer to them as the 323 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: I one, the good solid FBI that I loved. They're 324 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: stepping up to the line and Americans can trust that 325 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: they are working hard to keep you safe. That's their 326 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 3: job is to keep the homeland safe. And along with 327 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: the Department of Homely and Security HSI, all of those 328 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: different investigative agencies, they're working hard. But we cannot forget 329 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: about that open border. No one can be naive to 330 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: think what happened if we all think that there were 331 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: just sweet people that you know, we're crossing our border 332 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: for a better life. Look, there were a lot of 333 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: people crossing for a better life, but that is not 334 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 3: not everybody that was crossing has well intentioned. You know, 335 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: they're not all well intentioned here in the United States. 336 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: And we know that. 337 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: And if you don't believe that, you're grossly naive. So 338 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: all hands on deck. Everyone's got to be aware. But 339 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: the thing too, also, Lisa and again never live in fear, 340 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: but be aware. You know that bar is setting in Boston, 341 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: so the bar sitting in Austin. What happens is a 342 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: lot of times, these individuals, they pick soft targets right 343 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: where people your alert level is lower. Right, you're at 344 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: a bar, you're having fun, it's a club, it's two am. 345 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: Everyone's kind of drinking and listening to music, and you're 346 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: having fun, which you should have fun. But at the 347 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: same time, right now, be aware and be aware of 348 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 3: your surroundings, be aware, be able to move quickly at quickly. 349 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: If you see something, you've got to say something. 350 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: And I mean there's just that fine balance, right because 351 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: do not stop living your life, do not live in fear, 352 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: but also be smart and responsible and be aware and 353 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: be vigilant and keep your head on a swivel. The 354 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 3: soft targets tend to be, you know, places where there 355 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: just isn't a lot of security and large groups, large 356 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: outdoor groups, entertainment things, sporting events. You know, we've seen 357 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 3: it happen at these most random places. The Boston Marathon, 358 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 3: of all places, well, that's a very soft target. There's 359 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: no security to get in and out of the Boston 360 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: marathon and you're these are runners and just fun twenty 361 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: six mild. They're exhausted, they're vulnerable. Right, So again, entertainment facilities, concerts. 362 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: This is one thing that a lot of myself, me 363 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: and my colleagues from the FBI, I've been talking or 364 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: former colleagues that in our opinion, that's really where we 365 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: think these types of things might happen, probably at places 366 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: that aren't a secure don't have as much security, don't 367 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: have the metal detectors. 368 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: Things like that. 369 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: If you hear shots like that, I mean, like, what 370 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: what do you do? 371 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: How do you react to it? 372 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: So, if you hear shots fired anywhere, ever, the theory 373 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: and the platform that we have always taught run, hide, fight. 374 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 3: So let's say you're at you at a party, you're 375 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: at wherever, a bar, and you start hearing shots. The 376 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: first thing you do is you do your best to 377 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 3: run away from wherever you hear the gunfire coming from. 378 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: If you are not in a position where you can run, 379 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: and it's inside the club and you cannot get out, 380 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: then the next thing you do is you take cover. 381 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: You hide, You hide behind anything that's protective, cover, cement, 382 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: things like that, get away and barricade, whatever furniture you 383 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 3: can find, chairs, whatever you can do to protect some 384 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: level of cover for yourself. If you're in a position 385 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: where you cannot run, you cannot hide, then you fight 386 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 3: with everything you have and you try to take them 387 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: down and that's your last resort, but it's the most 388 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: important one, and you literally fight for your life. So again, 389 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: always remember run, hide, fight, and that's what we. 390 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Teach quick break. 391 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social media, 392 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: send it to your family and friends, you know, And 393 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: before we go, why do you think they haven't found 394 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie. I don't even know how long been play 395 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: some time now, Yeah, it's been a mind obviously with 396 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: the war, it's you know, the focus has shifted. But why, 397 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: you know you would think that they would fight her 398 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: by now, I mean, is that an unreasonable expectation or 399 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: why has it taken so long? In your opinion? 400 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: You know, I'm always careful to not criticize, but I'm 401 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: also very honest. I think it was a very poorly 402 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: run investigation from the beginning. I think there were many 403 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: missteps from the beginning. I think that the Sheriff's office, 404 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 3: maybe not the rank and file, and I'm just going 405 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: to say, I don't think the sheriff did a very 406 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: good job from the beginning. I think that the crime 407 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: scene was turned over entirely too soon. I just think 408 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: that there were a lot of mistakes made. I think 409 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: that when people are saying, oh, you know, that's a rumor, 410 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: there really wasn't a lot of strife between THATBI local 411 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: law enforcement. I think that there was a lot of 412 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: you know, not wanting the FBI to be a part 413 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: of it so much. And I think that it's just 414 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: been very difficult from the beginning for many of those reasons. 415 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: Do I think that she'll be found. I hope and 416 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: pray she will. It's absolutely tragic. It's heartbreaking. It's sad, unfortunately, Lisa. 417 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: People go missing every day, children go missing every day, 418 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: and you never even hear about it. You know, we 419 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: don't want to forget all of those other people that 420 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: don't get as much media attention. But it is disappointing 421 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: because you want as an investigator, it's extremely disappointing because 422 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: you don't rest until justice is served. You don't rest 423 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: until the case is done and the case is closed. 424 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: And based on my understanding, is far from that at 425 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: this point. But at the same time, it only takes 426 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: one big break to crack the case. I know that 427 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: the FBI has been working tirelessly behind the scenes. I 428 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 3: wish that they'd been taken the lead from the beginning, 429 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: but again, that's a local jurisdiction case. The FBI can't 430 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: just go in and say, oh, you know what, we're 431 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: going to take charge. We're asked to help on those 432 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: types of investigations, and if they can find a federal nexus, 433 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: they do. But at this point, yeah, it's very it's tragic. 434 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 3: It's sad. My heart goes out to her family. Can 435 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 3: you imagine that happening to your mother? I mean, and 436 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: on the national spotlight. I mean, it's heartbreaking. But at 437 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: the same time, I don't think the case was run 438 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: well from the beginning. 439 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: What's try theory on White because my understanding, or at 440 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: least to our knowledge, I don't think anything was stolen. 441 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: And it's like she's an eighty four year old, you 442 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like and clearly there's not been 443 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like the ransom. You know, we don't 444 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: know how credible that was or not. But like, you know, 445 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: so It's like, if that was the goal, you'd think 446 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: that they would try to obtain the money this point. 447 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: So it's like just take an old lady with health problems, 448 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make sense to me. 449 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: No, I think there's more to it. I personally have 450 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: my own theories, but again without having access to the 451 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: case file, in the actual facts. It's always I'm very 452 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: careful to step out of turn, but I am allowed 453 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: to have my own opinions as well, just like everyone. 454 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: I've always believed it with someone close to her, in 455 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: her inner circle that knew her, that either her family 456 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 3: member or someone close to her that had been into 457 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: that home many times would be my guess. Again, I 458 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: could be wrong, but I think that's the highest probability, 459 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 3: and based on these types of investigations, that's probably the 460 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 3: highest probability. Less likely that it was a stranger. I 461 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: don't think it was a Berkeley gone bad. That's just 462 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: not my theory on it. But again I don't have 463 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: access to all of the facts and information. The way 464 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: that the sheriff said, oh, you know, we are looking 465 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: at the family. Oh we're not looking at the family. 466 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: We are. 467 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: It was just like this back and forth. I mean, 468 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: it's just you don't even know what to believe anymore. 469 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: And that to me is extremely frustrating because there just 470 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have a lot of clarity on the 471 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: actual facts and what the truth actually is. But let's 472 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: hope and pray that behind the scenes, the investigators have 473 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: a much more clearer picture than we do. And again 474 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 3: that's normal a lot of times the FBI, we don't 475 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: give any information on our ongoing investigations. I would never 476 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: talk to the media about my cases. That just never happened. 477 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: So let's hope that they know more than what they're 478 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 3: telling us that. You know, people keep saying, oh, you know, 479 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: it was an amateur at the beginning, Oh this was 480 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: an amateur job. Well it's not much of an amateur 481 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: job because no one's in custody. So for as amateur 482 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: as it is, they're still on the loose, and sadly 483 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: she has not been returned. And so, you know, we 484 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: can't give up hope, but. 485 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: We's or someone closer, because wouldn't they be the first 486 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: to be looked at, you know, so you think that 487 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: they would have been able to find that. I mean, 488 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: I agree with you, that makes the most sense but 489 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: you would just think that that would be the first 490 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: place they would look, and so it would be easier 491 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: to find that link or no. 492 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: You would think. 493 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: But again, it's very confusing because he could flip flop 494 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: back and forth on that the family was cleared and. 495 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 496 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there's just different things. Obviously we don't know 497 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 3: a motive because if we don't know the individual that 498 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: did this, But you're going to look at the financial 499 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 3: situations of everybody involved, will's who was set to inherit 500 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: the home things like that. Again, I'm not saying that 501 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 3: is exactly what happened in this instance. I always thought 502 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: as probably a family member or someone who was like 503 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: a home care worker, or someone who knew her pattern 504 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: of life or knew that she had access to money 505 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: or had a daughter that had money. But again, who knows. 506 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: I would like to see personally. I would like to 507 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: see the phone things of those that had entered her home. 508 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 3: I want to know everyone that it entered her home 509 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 3: in the last six months prior to her going missing. 510 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: I want to note the list of every single person. 511 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: I want every single person to be interviewed, and then 512 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 3: I want to see all of their communications, where their 513 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: phones were pinging, and all of that type of information 514 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 3: leading up to and after the offense. But again, I'm 515 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: not the investigator, so I can't ask for that information. 516 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure that they've looked into that, but the fact 517 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: that no one is in custody yet, you know, that's 518 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: not what you want as an investigator. So I promise 519 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 3: you that you may not be hearing about it on 520 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: the news every day because of Iran, but they're working 521 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 3: tirelessly behind the scenes on that as well. So again, 522 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: imagine the FBI, so they're trying to solve those types 523 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 3: of investigations as well as keeping everyone safe. I mean, 524 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: they've got their hands full, and so we need to 525 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: remember and thank our law enforcement on every level for 526 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: what they're doing, and most of all, our military, our military, 527 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: our fallen heroes who paid ultimate sacrifice for our entry. 528 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 3: They are the true They're the true heroes in this 529 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 3: country and we can never ever forget them ever. 530 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeay man, we'll end on that. 531 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: No Cole Parker, author of The Tree, FBI's friend and colleague, Noicle, 532 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the show. Appreciate your time. 533 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: My pleasure, and God bless You'll take care. 534 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: That was no Cole Parker. Appreciate her taking the time 535 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: to come on this show. Appreciate you guys at home 536 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen 537 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: throughout the week. I also want to think John Cassio 538 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: and my producer for putting the show together. 539 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: Until next time.