1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: A beautiful young mother of four vanishes on foot walking 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: on a. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Rural road tonight. Where is Brittany. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: being with us. A West Virginia mom of four works 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: hard to make a life for her children, but then 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: her home is mysteriously set on fire. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Is that a coincidence? Can that be a coincidence? 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: After having investigated and prosecuted literally thousands of cases, I 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: do not believe that there is a coincidence in criminal law. 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: But to her disappearance, this young mom, you just saw her, yourself, 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: beautiful mom of four, working, holding it all together, goes 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: walking down a rural road and then vanishes into thin air. 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm not buying that. Then, after a string of let 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: me just say youphamistically miscommunications and jurisdictional back and forth, 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: her case seems to get lost in the sauce. Well, 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: guess what we found it. 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Listen, there is a reward if you tell where she 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: is and we find her. That's my daughter, my baby, 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: and I would like to know where she is and 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: her little kids Christmas cried and. 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 4: One, and what their mom wants and if you even 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: cared about being at all your at least tell what 25 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 4: you know or tell where she is. At least to 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 4: that let us have her back. 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: Can you imagine what her mother has been through? Much less? 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: The four children wondering where's Mommy? Joining me in Allstar 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we know right now. 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: And I've got to tell you these facts are murky 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: at best. They need to be cleared up again. All 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: start panel joining us, But first I want to go 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: to Kevin Horn. This is Britney's brother speaking out. Kevin, 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What has it been 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: like since your sister went missing? And what were you doing? 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: Let's start with this. 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: What were you doing when you learned nobody could find Brittany? 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 5: Who told you, well, my mom had called me and 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 5: said that, you know, she had come home and been 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 5: like two days or something, and she said she was 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 5: going to call and before a missing person. 42 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 6: They took the missing person's case, I guess. 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 5: And then we just started looking for ourselves, and we 44 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 5: asked the police assist us in a search, and they 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: would They said it was too big of area. 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, wait, wait right there, hold on, hold on. 47 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: Kevin Horn is with me. This is Brittany's brother, also 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: with me, her cousin Sharon, also with me. The private 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: eye and lawyer the family hired. His name is Jeff 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: Lewis joining us multi jurisdictional, not only lawyer, but private eye. 51 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: We still don't have Brittany, and the facts are not 52 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: getting any clearer. And I would hazard to guess right there, 53 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: what you heard Kevin Horn say is part of the problem. 54 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: But Kevin Horn, let me understand something. Did law enforcement 55 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: tell you they were not helping you in the search 56 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: because it was too big of an area. 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 5: They said it was too much of an area because 58 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 5: it was like the hills look, and they said they 59 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: didn't have enough law enforcement to cover that. And we 60 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: asked them to just come and assist the family because 61 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 5: we have a big family and we was going to 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: do it. But they just wouldn't come and assist us. 63 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: They told us we could ask the people that the property. 64 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 5: I had to go look for it. 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 6: I had. I went looking for her on the ridge. 66 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 5: I went, I've literally crawled down in wealth and trying 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 5: to find her. And they actually told my mom that 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 5: they don't look for them look for the missing people 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 5: as they do is they go around and they ask 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 5: some people questions, they don't actually go looking for her. 71 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: Now, let me understand something. Sharon Norris is joining us. 72 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: This is Britney's cousin, Sharon Norris. Do you remember when 73 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: you were told Britney's missing. 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, I actually was sitting at home and got a 75 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 7: phone call that she was missing. So I immediately reach 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 7: out to her mom to get some details. And then 77 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 7: the first thing I did was jump on start and 78 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 7: made a missing persons site and tried to start getting 79 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 7: the information out there. 80 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just trying to take in, Sharon, what 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: Kevin told me that you guys were told by law 82 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: enforcement that the search area was too big. Jennifer Tzikowski 83 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: is joining me. Experienced investigative reporter, Jennifer, thank you for 84 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: being with us. I'm trying to understand something. Tell me 85 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: about the area where Brittany went missing. 86 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 8: All right, So, Kermit, West Virginia is very rural. It's 87 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 8: very close to the Kentucky border. Extremely small town. It 88 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 8: consists of only three hundred and seventeen people, which is 89 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 8: according to. 90 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: The two thousand and twenty census. 91 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 8: And then as of twenty twenty, in the County that 92 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 8: it's in, that is only over twenty three thousand people 93 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 8: in Mingo Coney, which is again where Kermit, West Virginia, 94 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 8: is located. 95 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: Now, when you say it's extremely rural, I'm very interested 96 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why. Joining me is Jeff Lewis, 97 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: the license PI and lawyer who is hired by the family. 98 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: He operates out of West Virginia, but also works Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, 99 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: South Carolina, even Oklahoma. Jeff Lewis the owner operator founder 100 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: of Alias Investigations in Criminal Law. Jeff, thank you for 101 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: being with us. What stopping me in my tracks, Jeff Lewis, 102 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: is that the family is told, yeah, we'd really like 103 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: to help, but we just can't handle that terrain. Describe 104 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: the area for me, Jeff, Why would any law enforcement 105 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: say that. 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 9: I mean, it's a it is a royal area, but 107 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 9: the region they gave the family to be blowning honest, 108 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 9: just aren't true. They have because Mingo County, Sheriff County 109 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 9: that they live in, volunteered from day one to help 110 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 9: just West Virginia State Police find this woman and bring 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 9: her back to her family. And West Virginia State Police 112 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 9: would not allow them to get involved, and also wouldn't 113 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 9: let the Kentucky State Police get involved. And I worked 114 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 9: with the I worked with the deputy from West Virginia 115 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 9: State Police for a couple of weeks, and he did 116 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 9: really he worked with me really well, and then all 117 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 9: of a sudden, he just stopped. He wouldn't return my calls, 118 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 9: he wouldn't return the family's calls, and basically he said 119 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 9: he was writing it off because they were closing the cases. 120 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 9: Brittany just walked off on their own, which we know 121 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 9: for a fact, didn't that. 122 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, I didn't hear that last part. They're 123 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: saying that she just walked off on her own, correct. 124 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 9: That was That was the last thing that I got 125 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 9: from the West Virginia State Police that they were closing 126 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 9: the case because they determined that Brittany just walked off 127 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 9: on her own, even though we have yeah, we know 128 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 9: for a fact that's not true. 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: To Kevin Horn and Sharon Norris, first, to you, Kevin, 130 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: do you believe at all Brittany just walked off on 131 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: her own, never to return. 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 5: No, she would come back to her kids, she would 133 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 5: come back to my mom or me, Like I mean, 134 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 5: she never would just well, I'll believe. 135 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 6: She would have no reason to. They told me it 136 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 6: was a voluntary missing person. 137 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that, Kevin, when I was researching the 138 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: case that they put that out on. I'm talking about 139 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: law enforcement put that out in their post and they 140 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: had her missing as volunteer. They had her listed as 141 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: missing voluntary. That's not what happened at all to Sharon Norris, 142 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Britney's cousin. Why would law enforcement slate her as voluntarily missing? 143 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: I see it happen all the time, and you lose 144 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: precious hours, weeks, and months. 145 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 10: Yeah, I have no idea. 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 7: What wouldn't make them in any way look at it 147 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 7: as she would voluntarily go missing. And the reason I 148 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 7: say that is because I had brought Brittany to Ohio. 149 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 7: Her brother was keeping her kids for a little bit, 150 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 7: and I brought her to Ohio and she got so 151 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 7: homesick for her babies. I had to get in the 152 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 7: car and take her back home to her baby Like. 153 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 7: She didn't even stay the full amount of time she 154 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 7: was slotted to stay. 155 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 6: So nobody whatever make. 156 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 7: Me, nobody's ever going to make me believe that Brittany 157 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 7: would just have a walk away from her kids. 158 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 10: Nobody would ever make me believe that. 159 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: So Sharon Norris, after a few days she wanted to 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: get back to her children. 161 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, she I think it was two days 162 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 7: and she was going to stay a week, but two 163 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 7: days she was ready to get back to her kids too. 164 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: Sharon and Kevin and Jeff Lewis as well the lawyer 165 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: slash Pi. I'm very curious about what I'm just hearing. 166 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: Brittany leaves home on foot wearing a pink shirt, jean shorts, 167 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: Nike sneakers. 168 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: Recall those sneakers had a neon green. 169 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: Swoosh of the side. She had her hair in braids. 170 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: She was carrying a tan backpack. I know she was 171 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: going to college as well, at Regent College. I know 172 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: she was wearing a gold chain around her neck and 173 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: a bangle bracelet. That is what I know of what 174 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: she was wearing. And I want to analyze that why 175 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: because it might give me a clue. What was in 176 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: her tan backpack. I know she was in college, I 177 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: know she was taking classes, she was also raising for children. 178 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: What would be in the backpack probably school supplies, but 179 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: the outfit, the outfit, Kevin Horn for her to leave 180 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: on foot rural road, and I've looked at the aerial shots. 181 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: It's nothing but green, all green trees, very wooded. Where 182 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: would she be going dressed in shorts and nikes? Where 183 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: would she be going? She's certainly not going out for 184 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: a night on the town. That tells me a lot 185 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: right there. 186 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 6: Way in she was walking to her friend's house. 187 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Okay, how far away was the friend? 188 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 6: It's about two miles. 189 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: About two miles so that would have taken her max 190 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Okay, question do we believe she made it 191 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: to the friend's house? Did not make it? You know? 192 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: That really narrows it down. Sharon Norris, Is that you're 193 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: understanding as well? Yeah, I don't get it. How could 194 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: this woman disappear and a two mile stretch wearing nothing 195 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 2: but jean shorts a pink top with a backpack that 196 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense to me. 197 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: But listen. 198 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 11: When Brittany has not returned in ten days and isn't 199 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 11: answering calls or text, Mary Horn reports her daughter missing 200 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 11: to West Virginia State Police. Mary and sons, Kevin and Neil, 201 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 11: spend days putting up flyers with pictures of Brittany. Britney 202 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 11: doesn't drive, so the family focuses on foot searches, starting 203 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 11: from her mother's home. They find no sign of Brittany. 204 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 11: The news of Britney's disappearance spreads, the family begins to 205 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,239 Speaker 11: receive tips from Britney's friends. 206 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 12: Britney Horn confides in her mother that someone is out 207 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 12: to get her. Days later, where is Britney? Could that 208 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 12: be true? 209 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: No one in her family believes that Britney was suffering 210 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: any type of paranoia, But let's look at the Facts's 211 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: she right? She does a whole reno job on her 212 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: father's home that he leaves to her while she's the 213 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: way she comes back, the place is burned to the ground. 214 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: She keeps plodding forward, going to school, college at Regent College, 215 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: and raising four children. And then she disappears on a 216 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: rural walk just two miles between her mom's home where 217 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: she's now living at her friend's home. That's a thirty 218 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: minute walk. When she's reported missing to local authorities, they 219 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: say the area is too big for them to help search. 220 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: So the family who's joining us tonight dig in, putting 221 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: up posters, going on searches, even going in their own 222 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: pocket to hire a private investigator. Jeff Lewis of ALIAS 223 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: Investigations joining me right now is a special guest, and 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: boy do we need an expert. Dave Moyer is with 225 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: US Georgia K nine Tracker Master Trainer K nine Tracker 226 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: Program Manager, Military Contracts, former Deputy K nine with San 227 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: Bernardino Sheriffs. Dave Moyer, I've got a really hard time understanding. 228 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: And I'm not just getting this from the family, because 229 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: family can be upset and misinterpret what they're told. A 230 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: lot's happening while they're trying to find her. But there 231 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: have been no K nine searches. I've seen no extensive 232 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: searches by law for horsement. In fact, even knowing the 233 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: facts as we have presented them now, Dave Moyer, they 234 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: still listed her as voluntary missing that did not happen. 235 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: She did not believe leave all of her belongings and 236 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: her children and disappear with nothing but her backpack with 237 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: the school books in it and a pair of tennis shoes. 238 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: That didn't happen. Now, talk to me about the search 239 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: of a very heavily wooded area such as Kermit. 240 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 13: Yes, ma'am. First, I'd like to kind of introduce you 241 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 13: to how these dogs track and trailer and what they're 242 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 13: tracking and trailing. It's usually an amalgamation of the combination 243 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 13: of ground disturbance, dead skin cells that sleft off the body, sweat, 244 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 13: the oils, the gases off the human body as you epervest, 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 13: and as these biological items decomposed. That's what our dogs 246 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 13: are actually tracking. So that's going to bring into conflict 247 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 13: a lot of guys from this port tracking community that 248 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 13: are very hard set on their ground disturbance tracking. And 249 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 13: that's fine. We're using everything available to us as law 250 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 13: enforcement or military side, so we can actually effectively track 251 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 13: on the real world. Now, because this is a biolog 252 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 13: biological decomposition, at least that's a theory behind it, it 253 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 13: does have a very short shelf life based on the 254 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 13: environmental condition. 255 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Dave Lawyer, I believe you're putting the 256 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: cart before the horse. We don't know that we're did 257 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: you say biological decomposition, because if they had gone out 258 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: looking for her immediately, I don't think we'd be looking 259 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: for a dead body. 260 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 13: I would disagree with you there. I have been involved 261 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 13: in many of those searches. My time was San Bernardino County. 262 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 13: I ran the tracking and trailing slashed at Averdog and 263 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 13: I was the only full time sworn dog in all 264 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 13: the southern California at the time, and we had tremendous 265 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 13: success getting out there in the timely fashion, and even 266 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 13: recent death has a very distinct odor all its own. 267 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 13: Involved with these canines, again, we're putting a lot of 268 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 13: things in theory. There's no room of computers anywhere in 269 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 13: the world that can do what that little dog's brain 270 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 13: can do, and they all do that instinctually. All we're 271 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 13: doing is harnessing that behavior so we can read it now. 272 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 13: Based on what you're saying. With the environment, it's going 273 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 13: to keep that productive source alive a lot longer. But 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 13: time is very much of the essence, and within the 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 13: after twenty four hours, it's very difficult to even search 276 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 13: a heavily wooded area unless you have a very experienced 277 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 13: and well trained dog team. And unfortunately a lot of 278 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 13: these rural agencies they only have so many assets available, 279 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 13: and if they don't have those kind of canine assets available, 280 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 13: those canine programs commonly take the cuts first when budgetary 281 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 13: needs come first. 282 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I know what you mean. 283 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: Everything I hear you saying I agree with except for 284 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: one thing. If the search had been conducted immediately, I 285 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: don't know that we would be dealing with trying to 286 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: find a dead body. That changes things. Would you agree, 287 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: Dave Moyer as to what you're looking for? I mean, 288 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: this is just a two mile walk. That's a twenty 289 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: seven minute walk. This woman is young, She's perfectly capable 290 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: of getting two miles under thirty minutes. So why would 291 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: I be looking for a dead body? 292 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 13: Well, I'm sorry, I think there was a miscommunication there. 293 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 13: What I meant by decomposition was the decomposition of the 294 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 13: human trail, and that trail he composes because it's made 295 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 13: up of biological matter. Now, could ever search dog's completely 296 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 13: different animal. We can talk about that until heads hit 297 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 13: the desk. However, that's not the point I'm even coming 298 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 13: to yet. A train tracking dog, if this had been 299 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 13: been deployed immediately, could have picked up from the location 300 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 13: that she left and tracked along that route, and the 301 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 13: dog would stop trailing if she was picked up by 302 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 13: a car or abducted, and then maybe there could have 303 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 13: been some physical evidence in that immediate area of a scuffle. 304 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: Hold on day Moyer, and I don't like interrupting you 305 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: because I'm learning from everything that you're saying. Number one, 306 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: I now understand what you're saying. At the very beginning 307 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: when you started, when you were talking about biological matter, 308 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: I thought I misinterpreted. I thought what you were saying 309 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: was that she was dead immediately, and I don't believe that. Okay, 310 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: Now I understand that you're talking about human biological matter, 311 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: whether she's dead or alive. I get it, and I agree. 312 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Number two, let me just tell you that the single 313 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: best witness I ever put on the stand, and all 314 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: the years I was a prosecutor, even when I worked 315 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: with the FEDS, was a dog best witness ever, and 316 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: he did really well on cross examination. But what you're 317 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: saying about the search, I want to go into the conditions. 318 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: This was June thirteen in Kermit, West Virginia. 319 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: I've also got another site in Kentucky I want to 320 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: talk to you about. But would the weather in any way? 321 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: And last you stated that a dog could follow a 322 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: scent until the person like gets in a car. I'd 323 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: like to point out a name to you, and if 324 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: you don't know it, you might I might be able 325 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: to jog your memory. Eloise Anderson, who is she? She 326 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: handled the dog Tremble in the Lacy Peterson murder case. 327 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: Scott Peterson, that dog Tremble followed Lacey's scent, had it 328 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: in modesto all the way, picked it up again at 329 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: the marina at the San Francisco Bay, followed Lacey's scent 330 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: from the parking lot down to a trail along the 331 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: tree line so nobody would see. Scott Peterson taking the 332 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: body along the tree line to the dock, to the pier, 333 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: and then Tremble stuck at some pylons, looked out at 334 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: the water, alerted, and turned around to indicate the search 335 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: was done. Everybody always says why they convict Scott Peterson. 336 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: I can tell you right now because of Tremble, the dog. 337 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: That's why. So tell me how this would have worked 338 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: finding Brittany If the dogs had been brought immediately, what 339 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: would have happened? 340 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 13: Dave Moyer, Well, let's propose that she's possibly picked up 341 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 13: by an individual that had been after her. The dog 342 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 13: would have started the trail at her last scene point, 343 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 13: which would have been her house as she's walking through 344 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 13: her friends. And then if there was any point along 345 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 13: that road where she was, somebody pulled up grabbed her 346 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 13: stuffer in the trunk. There would have the dog would 347 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 13: have stopped, circled, alerted, much like Tremble did, and then 348 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 13: not continued trailing any further. Now I articulate that behavior, 349 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 13: and we train our hand to articulate this behavior. Is 350 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 13: the trail has gone no further as something happened here, 351 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 13: but we're not sure what until we get some other 352 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 13: corroborating evidence, whether it be video surveillance, cell phone data, 353 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 13: whatever it may be. So the outlines of this case, 354 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 13: if you put them, I definitely raises my suspicion the 355 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 13: canines could have certainly helped out tremendously if they were 356 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 13: deployed immediately. And that's actually how my agency got their 357 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 13: canine program back in twenty fourteen, after the Christopher Dorner 358 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 13: into that. I don't know if you remember that that 359 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 13: was the okay, now I shall say no more, but 360 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 13: that unfortunately cost one of our deputies, our corporal is 361 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 13: life and then got another deputy seriously injured. Had we 362 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 13: had dogs, that may not have happened at all, it 363 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 13: could have could have been handled a lot quicker and 364 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 13: a lot more safely for everyone involved. 365 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 12: Where is Brittany a Virginia mom of four missing from 366 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 12: her mother's home. Family says this isn't like. 367 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: Her joining me in All Star panel to make sense 368 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: of how this young mom, also a student at Regent College, 369 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: a mother of four, can go on a little under 370 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: a two mile walk to her friend's house and vanish 371 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: into thin air. All I'm hearing so far, not by 372 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: the people on my panel, of course, is it's a 373 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: technical legal term. 374 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: Bs. This woman did not vanish. 375 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: Off the side of the road, and she did not 376 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: leave voluntarily. You know that's something I really don't understand 377 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: to Jeff Lewis joining me not only a private investigator 378 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: hired by the family to try to find Brittany, but 379 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: lawyer as well who runs alias investigations. Jeff, I've dealt 380 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: with so many cases where usually a woman goes missing, 381 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: sometimes a teen and Ellie law enforcement says, up, she's 382 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: just out with her boyfriend. But they said that in 383 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: the Stacy Peterson case, they say that, they said that, 384 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: in the Jennifer Dulo's case, they said that. I can 385 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: name fifty cases on the top of my head where 386 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: they claim the mom just went for a little me time, 387 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: went on a walk about. 388 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: It's not true. 389 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: Why this law enforcement always believe the woman just bugged 390 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: out on her children. 391 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 9: To be badly honest, Dantee, it's because they don't want 392 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 9: to have to work on the case. I mean, I 393 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 9: had one. They gave me one trooper from the West 394 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 9: Virginia State Police to work with me on this case, 395 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 9: and he only stayed on them for two weeks and 396 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 9: closed it as a voluntary Basically, she just walked away. 397 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 9: We me and Kevin and Sharon have worked on this 398 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 9: case since day one, and we've got the evidence that 399 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 9: she did make it to her friend's house in West Virginia, 400 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 9: and that's who I told please they needed to investigate 401 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 9: and to talk to and they fly out refews. They 402 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 9: said the plaice was closed, that she walked her way 403 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 9: on her own, and that they were done with it. 404 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 9: But yet they wouldn't allow Mingo County Sheriff that was 405 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 9: trying to get in on this case from day one, 406 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 9: they would not allow them to be involved with and 407 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 9: they refused to allow this the Kentucky State Police to 408 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 9: be involved with them, and they had to have West 409 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 9: Virginia State Police's permission before they could come in. 410 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 6: They wouldn't give it to them. 411 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: So it sounds like a lot of jurisdictional in fighting, 412 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: and it all seems to happen between these two homes. 413 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: Some accounts are she did not make it to the 414 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: friend's house. Some accounts are she did, but within a 415 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: two mile space she goes missing. Back to you, Dave Moyer, 416 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 2: I know this is a heavily, heavily wooded area. What 417 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: are the challenges in searching a wooded area like this? 418 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: Because the family, Sharon Norris, Kevin Horn and others go 419 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: out on foot and they comb this area, but they're 420 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: not professionals. I mean, what are the challenges? 421 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 13: Again, There's there's a tremendous time advantage to our disadvantage 422 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 13: for this for actually tracking, because that trail is going 423 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 13: to decompose and disappear within twenty four to forty eight hours, 424 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 13: but sometimes less than that, sometimes a little bit longer, 425 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 13: depending on weather conditions and the type of plants that 426 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 13: are out there. High wind and high heat and heavy 427 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 13: sun is just going to destroy a trail within hours, 428 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 13: But if it's shaded, if it's cooler, it's going to 429 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 13: last a lot longer. 430 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: Unfortunately there are I've got another ranch to throw in 431 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 2: the works. Dave Moyer. We researched it last night and 432 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: discovered that there were later in the day heavy thunderstorms. 433 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: That didn't help anything. 434 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 13: Right, No, that certainly didn't help it at all. And again, 435 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 13: there are a lot of fantasy trailers out there, as 436 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 13: we affectionately refer to them, that'll tell you their bloodhound 437 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 13: can follow six month old year old trails. There's been 438 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 13: bad case law up down, left, right, and center on that, 439 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 13: and we're very cognizant of never teaching that and never 440 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 13: putting that into any of our students that we teach. Now, 441 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 13: that was beat into my head at a very early 442 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 13: age when I was running my dog out in southern 443 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 13: California for that reason. And of course I can't speak 444 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 13: to the jurisdictional infighting or other stuff that's going on 445 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 13: with the departments. But your standard patrolman are in their favor. 446 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 13: I was one for a long time myself. You're under 447 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 13: a lot of pressure to get to the next call, 448 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 13: to handle the next call for service, and some guys 449 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 13: just aren't able to put the time and effort into 450 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 13: this that you'd like to see I'm not defending anything. 451 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 13: I'm just saying that that does happen. 452 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: It happens. And back to Kevin and Sharon. 453 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 2: Also joining us Jeff Lewis and Jennifer Skowski investigative reporter, 454 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: Kevin and Sharon. I understand, was it you, Kevin that 455 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: actually went down wells looking for your sister? 456 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 5: Yes, several around the ridges, explain. 457 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 6: I just didn't nowhere else. 458 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 5: To look, and I was like, they maybe somebody's done 459 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 5: something to her, throw her down a well. 460 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 6: You know, there's something in them. So I was like, 461 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 6: I'm climbing down in there. I will look. I'm going 462 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 6: to try to find her. I just can't find her. 463 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 14: You know. 464 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 5: It was just us trying to find her in a 465 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 5: few others. We couldn't cover everything. 466 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: And here we are, Sharon Norris. It just it hurts 467 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: my heart to hear what the family has been going 468 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: through trying to conduct their own searches. You've got Kevin 469 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: actually going down wells, climbing into wells, abandoned wells, looking 470 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: for by that point, what he thought would be his 471 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: sister's body. I have no evidence she's dead or alive. 472 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: Sharon Norris, what have you been through? Trying to find Brittany. 473 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 10: There have been so many stories, just horrific, horrific stories 474 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 10: that have been sent as tips to me about her 475 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 10: being chopped up, about her being put through a wood chipper, 476 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 10: that we would never find her, just in that she 477 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 10: was kept for a week while they tortured her, and 478 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 10: then they tied her. 479 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 15: To four willers and took off both ways on the 480 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 15: four willers and decapitator. I mean, just the horrific things 481 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 15: we have been told. 482 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 7: And it makes it hard to sleep at nights sometimes 483 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 7: because you get those images in your head. 484 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: You know, I'm really blessed. I am so blessed because 485 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: my fiance was murdered. I knew what happened. I knew 486 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: who killed him. I knew what happened. You guys have 487 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: no idea, I mean, Kevin, these tips, these people that 488 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: are stating that she was put in. 489 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: A wood chipper, that she was tortured for days. 490 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you even put one foot in 491 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: front of the other one. 492 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 6: I can't even get out of bed some days. 493 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 5: But I'm not myself because I'm getting up every day 494 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 5: with it continuing. 495 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 6: And don't we don't get no closure. 496 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 5: It's just continues every day. 497 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 12: My sister would have called by, now, says the brother 498 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 12: of missing mom of four, Brittany, last seen by family 499 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 12: at her mother's house. 500 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: Now, let me just throw a wrench in the works, 501 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: a fly in the ointment. 502 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: So to speak, a new crime scene. 503 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: Remember we were in Kermit population twenty seventeen. Jennifer Skowski 504 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: told us about it, the hilly, heavily wooded terrain. Now 505 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: we have another potential crime site. Listen. 506 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 16: A friend of Britney's claims he gave her a ride 507 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 16: to a home in Luisa, Kentucky on June twelfth. The 508 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 16: homeowner goes by the Moniker Chicago. Britney's childhood best friend 509 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 16: also comes forward, telling police she's received a frantic voicemail 510 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 16: from Britney on June thirteenth. In the message, Britney says 511 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 16: she's scared, trying to leave Luisa to get back home. 512 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: Joining the investigative reporter Jennifer Skowski, Jennifer, what okay? 513 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 1: Now start with Kermit pop two seventeen. 514 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: Now I am in a completely different area, Luisa, Kentucky. 515 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: How far apart are these two? 516 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: Okay? 517 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 8: Kermit is located about twenty eight miles away from where 518 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 8: she was also reported last seen in Louisa, Kentucky. This 519 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 8: was supposedly with a man named Robert that a friend 520 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 8: had dropped off at Brittany at Robert's house. There was 521 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 8: no confirmation she ever left the area, according to Brittney's 522 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 8: missing Facebook page. But then there's also really no there's 523 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 8: so many unanswered questions. 524 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: I mean, did she really leave Kermit? 525 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: Is she and Louisa? 526 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 8: Louisa is another small town, not nearly as small as 527 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 8: the three hundred and seventeen in Kermit, what about twenty 528 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 8: five hundred on the crime rate is it's forty six 529 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 8: percent safer than than most neighborhoods in the United States. 530 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 8: So there's probably you know, some dangerous areas I'm guessing, 531 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 8: like everywhere else. But it's just really conflicting reports of 532 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 8: was she really last in Louisa or was she really 533 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 8: laughed in Kermit? 534 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: Wow, Jennifer, twenty eight miles apart, and what you're telling 535 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: me is as I said at the get go, it's 536 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: very murky. But we have to now investigate two potential 537 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: crime scenes very quickly. To Kevin Horn, this friend who 538 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: states she gets a voicemail from Brittany claiming she is 539 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: scared and trying to leave Louisa, and that's Kentucky, twenty 540 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: miles away, twenty eight miles away to get back home. 541 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: But we know Brittany did not have a cell phone 542 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: with her, isn't that correct? 543 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 5: That's correct, she says in the voicemail, I'm using this 544 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 5: girl's phone and to call you. She called her from 545 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 5: the Facebook on her phone. 546 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: Do you believe the friend, Kevin? 547 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: Do you believe the friend claiming that Brittany was in Luisa? 548 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: Do you believe the friend? 549 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: Well, I heard the three messages. I mean she was 550 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 5: in Louisa, she says, I'm in Louisa. 551 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Got okay, So they're real, They're real. 552 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: Okay? That changes This is everything. To Jeff Lewis joining 553 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: me not only lawyer, but PI an Alias investigations, who 554 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: took the case on to help the family. Jeff Lewis, 555 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: that changes everything because if she really was in Luisa, 556 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: trying to get a ride, trying to get home, we 557 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the two mile stretch anymore, 558 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: except who picked her up in that two mile stretch 559 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: or who picked her up at the friend's home. To 560 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: Jeff Lewis, what can you tell me about Louisa, Kentucky. 561 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 9: I got contacted by the sheriff in Lorwigia that told 562 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 9: me if he caught me in Kentucky that they would 563 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 9: throw me in jail immediately. And me, being a private investigator, 564 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 9: I've never had a law enforcement threatened me for working 565 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 9: on their case in their area before. But their shriff's 566 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 9: department did let me flat out that if I came 567 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 9: over here o case. 568 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: Let me get that straight, Jeff Lewis, the sheriff's department 569 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: told you don't put your toe in Luisa, Kentucky or 570 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: will throw you in jail. Did they say that correct? 571 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: Which la wwitch? Ella? It was the sheriff of Mingo. No, 572 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: it was a Louisa Kentucky Luisa, Kentucky sheriffs. Okay, so 573 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: now I've got a potential double crime. Saying what more 574 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: do we know? I know? 575 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: The family immediately heads to Luisa. 576 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 17: Listen the Horns make the forty minute drive to Luisa, 577 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 17: Kentucky to report Britney missing from the area as well. Luisa, 578 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 17: Kentucky police take the report, informing the family that their 579 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 17: department can only help with the West Virginia State Police's investigation. 580 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 17: State Police Troop five refuses the help from Kentucky, saying 581 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 17: they have the investigation under control. 582 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 14: Brittany is the baby of the Horn family. She is 583 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 14: doted on by parents Paul and Mary Horn, and best 584 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 14: friends with older brothers Kevin and Neil. Brittany is bubbly 585 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 14: and funny, always surrounded with friends. She graduates from Tulsia 586 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 14: High School in her hometown of Kermit, West Virginia. 587 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: And going on to college at Regent College, raising four children. 588 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: Listen to what the family says. This is from our 589 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 2: friends at WSA twenty three. 590 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 6: We need the police to do something. 591 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 5: You know, we need answers because it's been a year 592 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 5: and they've not told us anything. 593 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: It has It's been over a year now, well over 594 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: a year. The family begging for help. You heard how 595 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: she was doted upon by her family. Bubbly, happy, but 596 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: listen to this. 597 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 17: Not long after graduating, Brittany Horn meets and falls head 598 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 17: over heels for Clyde Duff Junior. After a whirlwind romance. 599 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 17: Brittany and Duff Mary and are expecting twins, but their 600 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 17: fairy tale marriage has a dark side. Duff has quite 601 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 17: the rap sheet by the time of their vows and 602 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 17: is often violent towards Brittany. The couple stays together and 603 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 17: have two more children. During family visits, relatives notice Brittany 604 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 17: has brewed and injuries more and more frequently. 605 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: Domesticbees rears its ugly head listen. 606 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 16: At one point, Brittany tries to leave Duff. Brittany cuts 607 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 16: off contact and moves back in with her mother. One afternoon, 608 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 16: Duff shows up to Mary Horn's home demanding to see Britney. 609 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 16: Britney's family members refuse to allow contact. Infuriating Duff, Duff 610 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 16: kicks down the front door brandishing a gun. Brittany's brother 611 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 16: struggles with Duff over the gun. 612 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: After that incident, Brittany totally distances herself from her ex listen. 613 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 11: A few months after the assault, at Brittany's mom's home, 614 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 11: Duff convinces Brittany to give him another chance, claiming he's 615 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 11: a new man. Duff's violent habits quickly return, and Brittany 616 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 11: finds herself looking for a way out again. When Duff 617 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 11: is arrested for theft, this time his sentence isn't so light, 618 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 11: and Brittany jumps at the chance to start fresh. 619 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 2: She does start fresh, she spends all of her time 620 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: all of her money working on her father's home. He's 621 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: left it to her her to move into with her 622 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 2: four children, Listen. 623 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 11: Brittany works for months to fix up her late father's home, 624 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 11: then reaches out to her aunt in another state, hoping 625 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 11: some time away will help her move on. Brittany's aunt 626 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 11: is more than happy to help, and five months later, 627 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,959 Speaker 11: Britney feels ready to take on the world. Brittany makes 628 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 11: the trip back to West Virginia, excited to move the 629 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 11: family into her new home. Brittany is heartbroken when she 630 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 11: learns the home burned down in her absence. Brittany accepts 631 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 11: her mom's offer to live with her until she makes 632 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 11: new plans. 633 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: And that is where Brittany is when she goes for 634 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: that fateful walk that day in June. That's why she 635 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: was at her mom's house. Let me ask you this, 636 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 2: Kevin Horn, where was the X at the time Brittany 637 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 2: went missing? 638 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 6: Who was in jail at the time? Or I would 639 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 6: have thought it had been. 640 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: Him as I thought. 641 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: You know how much I would love to point the 642 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: finger at him. Statistically, it's always the ex, the husband, 643 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: the boyfriend. But it's not this time he was where 644 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: near her. He was doing time on a theft. That 645 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 2: leaves me with a lot of unanswered questions to Jeff 646 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 2: Lewis joining me, private investigator at Alias Investigations and lawyer 647 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 2: Jeff Lewis, what do you think happened to Brittany? 648 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 9: I believe that she manager of Frient's house and then 649 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 9: something happened there. I believe it was It may have 650 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 9: been a farewell be an accident and her friend panicked 651 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 9: and instead of calling nine one morning, they tried to 652 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 9: cover up what happened. 653 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Horn, what is your theory? Because you've heard the messages. 654 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: You heard your sister state I'm in Louisa, I'm trying 655 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: to get home. You heard that and you believe it. 656 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: You heard it yourself. What do you think happened to 657 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: your sister? Any chance she's still alive? 658 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 5: I don't ever want to say that there's not chance, 659 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 5: but I have no deep down but she's gone. And 660 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 5: I do know she was going to her friend's house. 661 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 5: She didn't make it to that friend's house. She got 662 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 5: with some other friends. They went to Louisa. She was 663 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 5: down to Louisa and she was trying to get back 664 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 5: and she got a ride back and then that's when 665 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 5: after that ride back, she's gone. 666 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the 667 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 2: disappearance of this beautiful mom of four, Britney Horn Duff, 668 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 2: please contact three zero four two three five six thousand. 669 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 2: The family is offering a reward. Please if you know anything, 670 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: contact police three zero four two three five six thousand. 671 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: You remain anonymous. Brittany missing from her four children, lies 672 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 2: seen on a walk on a rural road. Thank you 673 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: to our guests for being with us, especially the cousin 674 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: Sharon Norris and brother Kevin Horn of Brittany. Still searching 675 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: for answers. We wait as justice unfalls. Goodbye friend,