1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Till Michael Verishow is on the air, even somebodys our guests. 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: He's a former Capital City Police Chief, a position he 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: held on January sixth, twenty twenty one. I wanted to 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: make the point with his background. This guy's not a lightweight. 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: He's got a BS at ms from Johns Hopkins University, 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: a pretty highbrow, rigorous academic background. He has an MA 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: and homeland security from the Naval Postgraduate School. This guy 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: is thoughtful about strategy and operations and logistics in law enforcement. 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: It's what he's devoted his life to. This isn't somebody 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 2: who rolls through the ranks because they checked the right 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: box that they weren't a white male. He is, in 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: fact a white male. This is a guy who, by 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: all accounts, and I think he has demonstrated, cares deeply 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: about law and order and security and preserving the peace. 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: And that's to be respected. So now we get to 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: January sixth. I know you've told this story because I've 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: seen you tell this story. I wish i'd let you 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: tell your story in public, but let's walk through. I 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: won't interrupt you. Why don't you tell the story as 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: you know it of January sixth, I will. 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: I think your listeners will definitely be surprised about what 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: they're about to hear, because a lot of people will 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: hear about, you know, Trump offering national Guard and what 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: happened to the national Guard and stuff like this. You're 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: going to hear the truth. This truth has been upheld 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: by congressional hearings. I come with the facts. I'm thirty 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: years law enforcem and I'm not going to say something 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: that I can't back up. So let's take you back 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: to the Sunday before January sixth, January third, it was 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: the first day of the one hundred and seventeenth Congress. 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: Regardless if it falls on a weekend, January third is 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: always going to be the first day of a new Congress. 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: When it comes in a session, we do all the 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: swearing ends of the members of Congress. So it's a 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: big day up on Capitol Hill. I had been kind 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: of watching, you know, the crowds that were coming in, 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: and mind you, the intelligence I was getting in the 39 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: intelligence and a whole other issue of what the intelligence 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: I was getting didn't say anything about any type of 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: coordinated attack of the capital, any threat to the federal 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: billings or to the capital, or to members of Congress, 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: nothing like that. I was just concerned about the size 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: of the crowd and the number of officers I had 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: to put on my perimeter. I had four foot high 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: bike rack that was going to surround the Capitol, which 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: is a sizeable area. I only had two hundred and 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: seventy three officers to put on that perimeter, and that 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: included response officers for civil disobedience. So it wasn't a 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: whole lot of officers. Because we had a joint session of 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: excuse me, a joint session of Congress, it took a 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: lot of my personnel inside of the building. So i'd 53 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: gone over to the Senate, the House Sergeant Arms. I'm 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: acquired by federal law. This is another interesting thing. If 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: I want to bring in any assistance for my officers, 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: any federal assistance, whether it's being National Guard, f any 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: federal assistance, I have to buy law. It's to us 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy get permission from the Capitol Police Board. So 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: Sunday morning, at nine thirty five, I went over to 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: see the House Sergeant Arms. Guy by the name of 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: Paul Irving, who I knew. He carried most of the weight. 62 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: He was the big, heavy hitter. Everyone kind of listened 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: to him on the Capitol police board. I think this 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: would be a sensitive topic for him. But I went 65 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: over and asked for national Guard support specifically, just for 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: the Premier, unarmed national Guard support. I wasn't asking for 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: farm national Guard support at that time. He didn't approve it. 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: He didn't approve it specifically because he said he didn't 69 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: like the optics of the national Guard standing a line 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: with the Capitol in the background. And I think that 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: was because he felt is his boss, his main boss, 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: Speaker Pelosi would have gotten upset about it. And he 73 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: also said the intelligence and the support it. Well, yeah, 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: I understand the intelligence didn't support it, but I still 75 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: worried about the size of the crowds. And I told him, 76 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: you know that I'm more about the size of the 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: crowds and i'd like to, you know, have some resources 78 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: on the Premier with my officers. Again, he at that point. 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Can you give us a time from again? When was 80 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: this conversation? 81 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: Roughly, this conversation was on Monday, January third, three days 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: before January sixth. 83 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: Okay, plenty of time to muster troops if you need them. 84 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: Plenty of times the must mustard troops we've we've used 85 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: you know in my in my history with d C 86 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: Police and even with with Capitol Police. Who eaves the 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: National Guard? And there's plenty of time. But it gets 88 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: it gets even better because I'm going to tell you 89 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: how we knew the Nation Guard was prepared. So he 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: refers me over to Mike Singer, who's now the chairman 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: of the Capitol Police Board and he became the chairman 92 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: on that day. I went over to his office. Mike 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: Sneer wasn't in. I came back later on, right a 94 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: little bit after eleven, he's in the office, and I 95 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: can tell he's already been giving heads up. I'm coming 96 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: over to ask for Nation Guard. When I asked for 97 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: National Guard support, he won't approve it. Again, he's concerned. 98 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: Later on he in April that after January sixth, I 99 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: finally asked me and said, hed, you know, I was 100 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: coming over, said IRV and told him, but anyway, he wouldn't. 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: He wouldn't approve it. He said, you know, waytn't you call? 102 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: Do you know anybody at the DC National Guard if 103 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: we need their assistance, how quickly could they get here? 104 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: And I know the commanding General of the DC National Guard, 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: William Walker, General Walker. I tol'd I can call General Walker, 106 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: but that's still not going to help us if we're 107 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: having you know, issues on the perimeter. But he said, 108 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: I got to run out. He's going to the swearing 109 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: in of members of Congress, and he said, that's that's 110 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: that's the best we're going to do. He wouldn't approve it, 111 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: so he leaves out. I go back to my office 112 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: later on that day just to her time. Later I 113 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: get back, one of my deput chief's approaches me and says, 114 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 3: we received a call from Carol Corman. She's the program 115 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: manager for the Defense Support for Civil Authorities, which is 116 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: the National Guard coming to support you know, civil authorities, 117 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: law enforcement it's needed. She was calling to ask if 118 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: we were going to be requesting the National Guard for 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: January six Now I'd just been denied twice my request 120 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: for the use of the National Guard on January sixth, 121 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: and by law, I had to tell him to tell 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: her no, we aren't. I've dealt with her before because 123 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: I'd been denied. So coming into January sixth, I don't 124 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: have that. Pentagon had offered National Guard. I had to 125 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: turn it down. I'd been denied twice by the House 126 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: and Senate Sergeant Arms. So coming into January sixth, twelve 127 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: fifty eight, in the command center, we're working with the 128 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: pipe bomb that had we started dealing with got the 129 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 3: Republican National Committee, which is just a couple of blocks 130 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: south of the US Capitol, we had been alerted of 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: a pipe bomb. I want to say, right around twelve 132 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: forty one pm, we're dealing with that. I mean my 133 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: watchmanage showing me some pictures of the pipe bomb. When 134 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: somebody says we have a large crowd approaching our west front, 135 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: I look up when we have cameras. There's two roadways 136 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: coming up towards the west front, right next to the 137 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: reflecting Pool, Pennsylvania Avenue, Maryland Avenue, coming up to two circles. 138 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: I see a couple hundred people at each of the 139 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 3: circles approaching our fence line, and some of the people 140 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: in the group got very confrontational and physical with the 141 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: officers very quickly. I've handled lots of protests. I've seen 142 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: lots of you know, where the marchers come up to 143 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: the line and the gate, and we'll usually have ten 144 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes of back and forth where they're yelling and 145 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: so like that before he gets to this point. This 146 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: was a matter of a matter of minutes before they 147 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: started pulling out the gate and swinging at my officers. 148 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: And again this was a core group of people that 149 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: were in the in the crowd. So I look down. 150 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: That's twelve fifty three. I see what's going on. I 151 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: you know, having come from DC Police, I reach over 152 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 3: dcent Police and say, hey, if you guys get some resources, 153 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: send them our way. And then at twelve fifty eight, 154 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: I called the Senate Star of the I'm sorry the 155 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: House stars and arms Paul Irving to request permission. I'm 156 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: still required by law to request permission even in an emergency. 157 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: Now Congress has since changed that law December of twenty 158 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: twenty one. They changed it and allows the chiefs calling 159 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: resources that I'm having to go to this but anyway, 160 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: they say, admitted the failure. So twelve fifty eight, I 161 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: call Paul Irving. It took eleven calls. Let me back up. 162 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: I start following myself. My adrenaline start pumping when I'm 163 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: talking about this. So when I first called him, I said, 164 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: it's bad on the West Front. My officers are getting overrun. 165 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: I need federal resources now, I need permission to call 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: in the National art. He says to me, quote, let 167 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: me run this up the chain and I'll be right 168 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: back to you. So he and he has a liaison 169 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: officer seeing right behind me, watching the same thing I'm 170 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: seeing on my screens. I get off the phone. I'm dumbfounded. 171 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: I'm seeing again. My officer is now backing up as 172 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: the crowd's getting start to move on the Capitol. I 173 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: so I call Mike Stinger, the Senates Urgeon Arms, call 174 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: him immediately and say, hey, you know we're getting over 175 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: run again. He has some thea's I'm sitting right behind me. 176 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 3: I need immedia permission to bring in the National Guard. 177 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: He said, what did Paul Irving tell you? I said, 178 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: he's going to run it up the chain. I mean 179 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: he's going to run it. Speaking closely, you can get 180 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: right back to me. He said, Well, let's wait to 181 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: hear from Paul Irving. I made eleven more phone calls 182 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: to the two of them, seventy one minutes before I 183 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: finally got approval at two nine pm. 184 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: So Michael Barry's. 185 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: Jones, the chief of the Capitol Police, on January sixth, 186 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, with Stephen Sound. 187 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: He's our guest telling his story, and we were now 188 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: in the middle of the afternoon. You've waited over an hour, 189 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: You've made a number of calls. The situation is turning 190 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: in your estimation. Are the people who are beginning to 191 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: approach the Capitol? Do you suspect that any of those 192 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,359 Speaker 2: individuals are federal plans? Do you suspect that they're paid activists? 193 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: Do you think they're just people who showed up or frustrated? 194 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of that? 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: So are you asking like at the time or are 196 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: you asking now that I reflect back on. 197 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: It, I'm glad you asked. I guess both would be 198 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: important to know. 199 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So at the time, all I was thinking about 200 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: had how do we get my officers some assistants. Uh? 201 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: They were they were getting their rear ends handed to them. Uh, 202 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: And I need to give them some assistants real quick. 203 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: And I was just dumbfounded as repeatedly denials and delays 204 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: I was getting. You know, looking back on it, you know, 205 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: I keep hearing I try and you know, really stick 206 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: to it. Be a person of the facts. If I 207 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: know facts, I'm going to pass them on. You know, 208 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: I hear a lot about you know, there could be 209 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: a tief in the in the crowd. There could have 210 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: been you know, different people in the crowd very well 211 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: could be if I if I had facts that I'd 212 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: absolutely pass that, pass that on to you. Looking at 213 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: some of the videos, you see a lot of people 214 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: all wearing you know, looks like brand new acquitment, brand 215 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 3: new hats, flags, stuff like that. Who knows, who knows 216 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: what that that could tell you, But I will tell 217 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: you, you know, I've suspected you know all, and it wouldn't 218 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: be unusual front event in Washington. See when you talk 219 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: about federal agents, whether it's a Fourth July celebration, a 220 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: state funeral, a uh cherry Boston parade paper even something 221 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: like that. We we still have you'll put together some 222 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: of these plain closed teams that oftentimes are made up 223 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: of you know, people from the Washington Field Office of 224 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: the FBI, Secret Service, some of the Joint Terrorist Task 225 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Force members just to go out there and keep an 226 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: eye look for any issues or if we get a 227 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: suspicious package, you can you know, respond to suspecif package 228 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: quickly to start making assessments. So it wouldn't I wouldn't 229 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: have been surprised to think, okay, we had some some 230 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: plain closed assets in the in the crowd. But you know, 231 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: as I began to do my research, and you know, 232 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: I got I literally got stripped out of my office 233 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: the very next day, and I hopefully we have time 234 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: to get to that. And I literally sat at home 235 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: and I had people come out of the woodwork, whistle 236 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: blowers come out and start pushing information to me. And 237 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: found out that the FBI had been receiving information just 238 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: prior to January sixth that indicated there's several what they 239 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: considered domestic terrorists that were most likely planning to come 240 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: to Washingt d C. For the event. Then as we 241 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: got closer, the numbers seem to seem to get higher, 242 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: so you know, and I found this in the aftermat 243 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: that at one point they were tracking nineteen people that 244 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: were on their domestic terrorists list as coming to planning 245 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: on coming to WASHINGT d C. Now, I can tell 246 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: you this, they're not tracking them with just nobody. They're 247 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: going to be tracking them with agents. If they think 248 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: somebody comes in, they know they have a flight coming 249 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: in or something like that, they're going to be putting 250 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: eyes on these people. So it wouldn't you know, if 251 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: we're we have that many people that they suspect our 252 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: domestic terrorists, I suspect you're going to have significant resources 253 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: in the crowd watching them. So that's where I based 254 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: my opinion on. Now, Christopher has come out and said 255 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: that there was a number of what they call confidential 256 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: human sources HSS in the crowd. Some people have said 257 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: the CHS is we're the ones watching the uh uh 258 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: their domestic terrorist targets. I don't buy that. That's not 259 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: what I considered the police work, because you can only 260 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 3: trust a CHS so much. But that's where I always 261 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: base my opinion on that. You know what, I would 262 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: have been surprised there's playing closed ass in the growd. 263 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: But when you start hearing about you know, there's some 264 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: of these people that are out there that are pushing 265 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: them to get into the capital and move on the capital, 266 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: I find that very very concerning And if and if 267 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: proven be true, that's you know, that's definitely not what 268 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: they're supposed to be doing, and that is, you know, 269 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: contrary to the oath of oath they take. 270 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: I know, you choose your words carefully, not out of cowardice, 271 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: but out of caution. Is it outside the realm that 272 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: that could be the case, outside the realm. 273 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: That some people could be pushing pushing the group. Well, 274 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: when you act and you think about, why why am 275 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: I denying repeatedly in advance? Why am I denying while 276 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: you know, just to blatant that while my officers are 277 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: under attack, And then I run into problems with the 278 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: with the Pentagon. Finally, once I do get approval approving 279 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: my request, and now we find out that there's probably 280 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: some influence coming from General Millie on on that the 281 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: influence on from General Milly onto Acting Secretary Defense Christopher Miller, 282 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: that caused him to place additional restrictions on the National 283 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: Bar that no one knew about. When you start looking 284 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: at that, you're like, yeah, this really, you know, could 285 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 3: make a really interesting conspiracy theory novel when you look 286 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: at what was going on in that aspect, and you know, really, 287 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: who who was you you know, getting the most traction 288 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 3: out of the whole January sixth initiative. You know, we 289 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: haven't been able to identify the pipe bomber yet, which 290 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: is I find that very interesting. But you know, I mean, 291 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: you know, your listeners probably would be surprised. And when 292 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 3: I activated mutual aid, the New Jersey State Police made 293 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: it before the DC National Guard coming down to the DC. 294 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: Nash Guard had one hundred and fifty five troops with 295 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: an eyesight of CAP and they didn't get the until 296 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: five forty pm at night, once all the fighting was over. 297 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: And remember I told you well when I called when 298 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: I finally got in touch with the Pentagon, the Pentagon 299 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: wanted me on a conference call. This was brought on 300 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: two thirty four pm. They wanted me on a conference 301 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: call to then find out why I'm requesting National Guard. 302 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: I think that would have been fairly self evident with 303 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: anybody watching this on TV. But I'm on the phone 304 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: with the guy made by the name of Lieutenant General 305 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: Walter Pyot, also on the phone with me as Mayor 306 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: Bounser Chief of Police for the DC Plice for Robert Conti, 307 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: the director of Emergency Manageer for DC, A number of 308 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: other people, including a guy that at one point was 309 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: the Army's Acting General Counsel, Colonel Earl Matthews. He has 310 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: since come out as a whistleblar on my behalf. And 311 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: I told him, I said I needed a National Guard 312 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: support immediately. This is a life and death situation. They've 313 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: now gotten into the Capitol. We're battling to keep him 314 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: out of the capitol. And he tells me the exact 315 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: same thing. Paul Irving told me, I don't like the 316 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: optic of the National Guards standing a line with capital 317 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: in the background. I was dune found I'm hearing the 318 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: exact same thing. So you know, I'm wondering, is there 319 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: some talking points behind this. I repeatedly, I'm baging. I'm 320 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: almost at tears, and the marriage Mountain said this. I 321 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: was almost at peers, begging him to send me resources, 322 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: and kept hearing this over and over, and he said 323 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: his recommendations to that, I am my request. That was 324 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: his first response. Uh, And then I kept pleading with him. 325 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: He said, well, I'm going to run this up the chain, 326 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: and that's when we had the shooting of Vash Babbitt 327 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: and I had to get on the phone. 328 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's so frustrating, man, I think in many ways. 329 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: I look at what's happened in your career. I think 330 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: of how many officers that day never recovered, and we 331 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: know that some took their own lives. I think how 332 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: many people who went to the Capitol, in my suspicion, 333 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: who did little or nothing and relatively speaking, and ended 334 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: up in prison. I just think of this as a 335 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: horrible as Richard Nation or as Gerald Ford referred to 336 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: the next administration, it feels like a long national nightmare, 337 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: and it's it's extremely, extremely disturbing. And I believe you 338 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: don't have to and I'm not saying you do or don't. 339 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: I believe that the various forces were at work here 340 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: and a lot of good people doing their jobs, and 341 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people, patriots got caught up in it 342 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: and were terribly, terribly affected by you mentioned earlier you 343 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: made reference to, and I hope we'll have time to 344 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: get to that. Who will make time in the next segment. 345 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: Stephen Sundays our guest. He was a Capital City police 346 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: chief on January the Capitol police chief on January sixth, 347 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: twenty one, Jackie you here? Where's Jackson? A crash that 348 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: killed Congresswoman jack Uell Or here die Sun does our guest. 349 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: He was the police chief, the Capital Police on January 350 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: sixth of twenty twenty one, that fateful day, and you 351 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: made reference chief to getting pulled into an office. I 352 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: wasn't sure exactly, but you said, I hope we'll have 353 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: time to talk about that. And I made a little 354 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: scribble note to go back to that so that I 355 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: do make time for you. So go ahead at the 356 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: floor is yours? 357 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. So you know, here we are January 358 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: January sixth. We get everybody back into back in the session. 359 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: The National Guard finally shows up at five forty pm. 360 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: We have to swear them in a special police officers. 361 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: They once they get off their bus, the fighting is over. 362 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 3: You know, we've got everything done. Everything is secured. I 363 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: brought in seventeen law enforcement agencies, seventeen hundred police officers. 364 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: That's all taken care of. What did they do? They 365 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: line up with all their ride gear, take a picture 366 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: with the Capitol in the background and put it on 367 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: Military Time magazine. I thought you'd just get a kick 368 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: out of that. When the Pentagon had said they were 369 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: so concerned about the optics and to have that be 370 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: the optics that they took away from it. That was interesting. 371 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: So the next day we're briefing January seventh. The morning 372 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: of January seventh, we're briefing members of Congress. Now, now 373 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: mind you that evening to Speaker Pelosi three times. First 374 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: time brought around five thirty five. I'd gone over to 375 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: brief Vice President Pence. We had him at a secure 376 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: location on Capitol Hill. He had been calling me a 377 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: couple of times, asked me to come over and brief him. 378 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: I couldn't leave because you know, I had to be 379 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: up in the pan Center getting things under control. But 380 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: once we could, I went over to brief him. When 381 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: I briefed him of when we can get them back 382 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: in a session, he got Speaker Pelosi on a call. 383 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 3: We'm pretty sure. And this has now all come out, 384 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: and you see the film footage that comes out from 385 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: her daughter that was with her Speaker Pelosi, which he's saying, 386 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: I take responsibility, but h and you'll see some of 387 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 3: this that I talk about. And there's a video of 388 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: me with Pence and her getting a call from Pence, 389 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: and that's one of the calls. So I talked to him. 390 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 3: I talked her three times. So the next day we're 391 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: briefing my oversight with briefing members of Congress about, you know, 392 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: what the plan is moving forward with the plan is 393 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: with National Guard support. When I get a call that 394 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: Speaker Pelosi is right around one o'clock in the afternoon 395 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: is getting ready to go on national TV and call 396 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: for my resignation. I said, okay, My general counsel and 397 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: my chief administrative officers, you know, said hey, let's go 398 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: in your office. We'll watch it there. Gave my wife 399 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: a little heads up, went in, watched it, and its 400 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: about a twenty minute press conference and it's on YouTube. 401 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: You can watch. It's the very end of the press conference. 402 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: It's a planning question. Somebody asked, you know, what are 403 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: younna do about security failures up on Capitol Hill. She says, 404 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: that's a great question. We're going to do an after 405 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: action study, which would have been smart if she'd just 406 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: stopped there. But then she calls me out by name 407 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: and says, I'm calling for the resignation of Chief's son. 408 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: There was a failure of leadership at the top, and 409 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: you know he has to go. He failed. I'm trying 410 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: to think exactly what she said, but you can tell 411 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: she studies over her voice for a little bit. Now, 412 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: mind you, I had caught tried to get National Guard 413 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: in advance on January third, and repeatedly on January sixth, 414 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: and been denied by her sergeant at arms specifically. And 415 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: then she goes on national TV says there's a failure 416 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 3: of leadership at the top of the Capitol police calls 417 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: me out by name, then tells the American public and 418 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: I haven't even since this curve, which is a lie. Uh, 419 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: and then calls for my resignation. You know, I sat 420 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: and talked to my wife. I was having stuff to 421 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: thirty six hours. I was shell shocked. I said, you 422 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: know fine, I submitted my my letter of resignation with 423 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: a three week transition period in the very that uh. 424 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: The very next morning, I got a call saying you're 425 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: immediately Uh. I was cut off from all my computer 426 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: access uh and was to move out of my office immediately. 427 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: So over that weekend I actually was moving everything out 428 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: of my office. Uh. And has never stepped back and 429 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: foot in that office again. Nobody has talked to me. Uh. Well, 430 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: very little. I had to go down for a couple 431 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: of conferences but yeah, it wasn't getting didn't get access 432 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: to any investigation, uh, nothing like that. So so I 433 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: agree there was there was a number of key people 434 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: in that crowd that I think were problematic. But I 435 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 3: think a lot of those people in that crowd were 436 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: what I call strap hangers, people that just kind of 437 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: followed along, looked at the crowd, went in, didn't do anything, 438 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: didn't assault the officers at all. You know that. I think, 439 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's a shame how some of these people 440 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: got treated. I've been in policing for a long time. 441 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 3: I've never seen that type of levels of sentencing handed down, 442 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: even for APO assault on police officer. So I was 443 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: kind of surprised by that. But you know, to be 444 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: to be stripped away from an agency, I loved when 445 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: I tried to prevent that. Now Congress has come out 446 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: if you look at some of the recent hearings and reports, 447 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: Congress has said if the Sergeant at Arms had approved 448 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 3: Sun's request for dashboard support on January third, chances are 449 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: the capital have never been breached. And then in December seventeenth, 450 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, under Chairman Very Louder Route their last 451 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: report that they did now that I think that the 452 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: Committee's coming back again. Their last report exonerates me by name. 453 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: But I'm still fighting to get the retirement. My retirement 454 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: was stripped all you know, all benefits, everything like that. 455 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: It was immediately stripped. Yeah, oh yeah, yep, yeah. I 456 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: was only a few months away from me and totally 457 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: totally vested. And I do believe if the facts have 458 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: been known, I may even still be there today. Who knows, 459 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: but yeah, they so they exonerated me December seventeenth, twenty 460 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: twenty four. I'm one of maybe a handful of people 461 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 3: in history that Congress has exonerated by name, which is 462 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 3: which is interesting. But I'm still working with the committee, 463 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: still working with Chairman Laudermilk, you know, working to get 464 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: some executive branch support to have them look at my 465 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: case to see about, you know, returning whatever benefits made 466 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: stripped from me. 467 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: How many years in law enforcement, total of thirty. 468 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: Years in law enforcement. I did retire from DC Police. 469 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: I did get my retirement from DC Police. But for me, 470 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: it's it's now just a it's not the federal retirement, 471 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: it's not anything big, but for me, it's the principle 472 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: it is. It's the fact that you know, I tried 473 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: to stop this. I tried to stop it repeatedly, was 474 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: repeatedly denied. And this all you know I've got. I've 475 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: turned over all my phone records, my transcripts, my emails, 476 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 3: they have everything. And I just find that that interesting 477 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: that you know I'm the one targeted. But you know, well, 478 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: we'll fight. I know. The truth is, the truth is 479 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: coming out, and as more the truth comes out, the 480 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: better it looks for me. 481 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: Lives are destroyed in this manner. You're not going to 482 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 2: allow your life to be destroyed because you are a 483 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: survivor and a prevailer, but lesser men would be. And 484 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: I think it's very important to see, you know, chiefs Son, 485 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: I always counsel doing what I do. I am approached 486 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: with a lot of what will be called conspiracy theories, 487 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: and that is, you know, sometimes slapping a pejorative tag 488 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: on a on a theory that might very well have 489 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: otherwise been legitimate. So I have come to learn and 490 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: I counsel this often. You have to be careful that 491 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: you don't believe every conspiracy theory that is offered, just 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: because you're prone to believing and inclined and buy and 493 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: prejudice toward conspiracy theories. However, the parallel to that is, 494 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: you have to be careful if you refuse to believe 495 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: anything called a conspiracy theory, or you'll end up eighteen 496 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: shots into Joe Biden's protocol and Fauci's laughing at your funeral. 497 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: So I think there is somewhere in between where you 498 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: have a more temperate, measured approach to news of the day. 499 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: But several of the things that you describe strike me 500 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: as so outside the chain of command, so outside traditional 501 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: policing principles, particularly as it relates to a highly political environment. 502 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: And I realize that you know much more and could 503 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: say much more damning things, and I respect the fact 504 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: that you're holding that tight that would be in your defense. 505 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: But these are things that I think every American needs 506 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: to know, and that the Liz Cheney Show trial and 507 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: all of that which they didn't allow you to speak to. 508 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: You know, I consider this to be a major calamity, 509 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: a major disaster in American life that that needs to 510 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: be explored to extremely great extent. Chief, if you can 511 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: hold with me for one more segment, I have a 512 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: couple of course, they remain scared the death of you, 513 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: and they remain scared to death of Trump. Michael berrieshow 514 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not. 515 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 2: Steven Sunned is our guest s und if you'd like 516 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: to look him up. He's he's written a book about 517 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: all this. We'll talk about that in just a moment. 518 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: He's the former police chief of the Capitol Police. On 519 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: January sixth, twenty twenty one, Nancy Pelosi went after him 520 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: and basically destroyed his career. As it were, Chief, sound 521 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: you you had a lot of guys. How big is 522 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: the Capitol Police Force? 523 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: Capitol Police Force? When when I was there, a lot 524 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: of people are kind of surprised by It's one thousand, 525 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: nine hundred and six three officers with a budget of 526 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: about four hundred and sixty three million dollars. It comes 527 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: out to me about the twenty fifth department in the country. 528 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: My sons both I have a son who's a senior 529 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: in high school and a son who's now a sophomore 530 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: in college, and they interned for Congressman this summer. And 531 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: I had worked for law firm in d C thirty 532 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: years ago, so it was fun for me and my 533 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: wife to get to go back and spend some time 534 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: there and meet them for lunch and walk around the 535 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: capitol and do the tours and all that. We hadn't 536 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: done that in a long time. And I mean it's significant. 537 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: People don't realize it is. As you said, it would 538 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: be about the twenty fifth largest police force in the country, 539 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: and there are real security concerns, and you know, somebody 540 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: could argue that's too many or whatever else there are. 541 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: It's a spread out area. You have kind of the boulevards, 542 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 2: the way that the boulevards the esplanade style, big grand 543 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 2: European boulevard that's hard to police. There's a lot that 544 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: goes into this. But I want to go back to 545 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: January sixth and the officers there. There were officers who 546 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 2: died and one the claim was he was hit by 547 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: blunt force object. And my understanding is whether he was 548 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: or he wasn't. His family said he did not die 549 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: from blunt force trauma. But that you had a number 550 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: of officers who committed suicide. They took their own life. 551 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: Their lives were not taken by the protesters. Can you 552 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: speak to that. 553 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. You've got again, a lot of different questions there. 554 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 3: So technically there was one officer whose death was a 555 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 3: they went back and said it's what they call immediately 556 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: a line of duty death. That was officer Brian sick Nick. 557 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: He was one of the officers I was in walveson 558 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: of the fighting on the West Front. He had been 559 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: sprayed with pepper spray. At one point the media had 560 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 3: said he had been hit with fire extinguisher, which didn't 561 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: turn out to be true. I actually know the DC 562 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: police officer that I got hit by that but ended 563 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: up later on that night at about probably close to 564 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 3: ten o'clock, maybe between nine and ten, was walking with 565 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: a group of officers. Don't have the capital under control. 566 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 3: We've got a bunch officers on the perimeter, insides under control. 567 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: He's now walking with a couple of Capitol Police officers 568 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: and a Virginia State trooper who happens to be a medic. 569 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: Uh to go get a bit. He's walking along and 570 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: he just dropped and the medic immediately went to work 571 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: on him. And I've had a chance to talk to 572 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: the medic. He said, you know, as soon as he 573 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: hit the ground, you there was like you know, he 574 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 3: was completely unconscious. He went over to a GW hospital 575 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: where they identified that he had what appeared to be 576 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 3: some type of a neurological issue at the basis of 577 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: brain stem with no brain activity and then ultimately passed 578 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: away the very next day. That's the case I think 579 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: you're talking about. The autopsy by the DC medical examiner 580 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: was concluded, Uh. They and they concluded in the autopsy 581 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: that he passed away with what they said were natural 582 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: causes uh, and he had a double stroke at the 583 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: base of his brain stem. 584 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: UH. 585 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: Later on, the same medical examiner and a press conference 586 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: had stated that the actually the activities of the day 587 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: contributed to his medical condition. So it wasn't in the 588 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: in the writing, but you know that that was enough 589 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: if you have somebody that's on duty and then I'm 590 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: just saying this from a law enforcement management or leadership 591 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: point of view. If you have somebody that's on duty, 592 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: uh in conducting their their line of duty and dies, 593 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: that's going to be a line of duty death. And 594 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: this was a line of duty death. So that was 595 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: a situation with Brian sick Nick. Then what you had 596 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: is on that Saturday, which would have been uh the 597 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: ninth change or ninth you had the first of a 598 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: series of suicides. Uh. First by the name of Howard 599 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: leaving Good. He was a US Capitol police officer, lived 600 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: out in Prefect County. Committed suicide. I always moving all 601 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: the stuff out of my office. When my watch manager 602 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: came in and passed on that that news to me. Uh, 603 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: the person who was acting you they made acting chief 604 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: and that's the whole story in itself, was at home 605 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: and I had to call her and tell her, you know, 606 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 3: the news, to tell her to come on in because uh, 607 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: you know, we got a lot to do. But yeah, 608 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 3: so so his suicide ultimately, after a lot of back 609 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: and forth, was made a line of duty death. My my, 610 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: My thought is, you know, with with many lines different 611 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 3: lines of work, especially law enforcement, you're exposed to a 612 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: lot of different trauma you go through, you know a 613 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: lot of different issues. There's a lot of PTSD uh 614 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: in law enforcement. But we've really fought hard, uh to 615 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 3: make sure that officers know that there's there's options. You know, 616 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: these officers walk around, they've got a gun on their hip, uh, 617 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: you know, whenever they're on duty to carry it home 618 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 3: with them. Uh. They have other options than to than 619 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: to turn and consider suicide. Now you know it's it's 620 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: okay to get counseling, and you know a lot of 621 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: agencies white counseling available to the officers. I get concerned that, 622 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's always it's rare that they'll ever 623 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: make a suicide line of duty death. And I just 624 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: hate to think that, you know, there's other people that think, Okay, 625 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: now we've had his suicide declared line of duty. Jeff Smith, 626 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: who is with the police, committed suicide. I want to say, 627 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: apprised me ten days later on like January nineteenth. If 628 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: I have my dates right, I think I'm pretty close. 629 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 3: But it's been a couple of years. UH committed suicide. 630 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: His was also. 631 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: Determined to be a line of duty death. I get 632 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: concerned that when when you do that, I don't want 633 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: to give officers the impression that you know, hey, if 634 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: I've had really a couple of traumatic experiences and you know, 635 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: things aren't going well for me, this is an option 636 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: for my family get you know, full full benefits in 637 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: a lone of duty death funeral. It just raises for me, 638 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: It raised concerns when they go through that that you know, 639 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: this may be an option for them. So you know, 640 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: I want any any officers listening that you know this 641 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: isn't isn't a course of action that you really want 642 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 3: to take. You know, consider the counseling, consider what other 643 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: options are to you, and you know, don't don't turn 644 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: toward your service weapon or anything like that to solve problems. 645 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, uh, that an individual is in a position 646 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: where that does make sense to them. And it's a 647 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: good reminder of how different cult this job is and 648 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: why it is deserving of respect. Steven Son, is there 649 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: anything we did not get to. I got about a 650 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: minute that you wanted to offer up before we close. 651 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning the book. My intention was 652 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: to never write a book. You always here about these 653 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: people writing books. I'm sitting at the desk where when 654 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: I was forced to leave. I sat down and I 655 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: started just writing every note I've done after action reports, 656 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: over and over and over again, and started putting this together. 657 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: And that first of my wife was like, sure, this 658 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: is what you want to do. Because I was reliaving 659 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: this for fourteen hours a day every day, and then 660 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: when it all started coming together, you wouldn't believe what 661 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: was going on with the intelligence, with the with the FBI, 662 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 3: with you know, I was putting together a briefing beforehand, 663 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 3: and what was being told me that it's just when 664 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: you look at it, it just got so chaotic and 665 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: it didn't have to be like that. I still believe 666 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: Jane or six could have been prevented if they wanted to. 667 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: They listened to me. But if so many people had 668 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: just done their job the way they're supposed to, we 669 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't be here talking right now. So I ended up 670 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: putting it together. Now been referred to on Capitol Hill 671 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: as the tentative after Action of January sixth. If your 672 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: readers are interested, it's on Amazon. Get the paperback. The 673 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: paperback has the most up to date information, but I 674 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: think they'll find it shocking. It's the The exoneration I 675 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 3: got from Congress isn't even in there because it happens 676 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: since the last edition. So I'm sure that'll be updated. 677 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: But you know, January sixth committee under very louder MUCKs 678 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: coming back. You know, they may invite me down to testify. 679 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to testify. That'll be probably the 680 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: third time I've been down to test by one time. 681 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: The Sllely Committee wouldn't let me testify in public. H 682 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: But you're gonna hear a. 683 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: Little ye know. You'll read a little bit about the Slight. 684 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: Committee and some of the issues they had. But no, 685 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: I appreciate you mentioning it, and I appreciate your interest 686 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 3: in the in the story, there's there's still a lot 687 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: more there. 688 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. Good surface, Steven Sun, Capitol 689 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 2: Police Chief in January's no thank you, I'm good night.