WEBVTT - “It Wasn’t a Drunk Tweet” BONUS EPISODE 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.080 Hey, there, folks, Robes and I must admit we were 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.200 wrong about Terry Moran. Turns out he meant that shit. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.240 And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:18.320 a bonus episode. We didn't plan on doing this, but Rose, 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.440 I am stunned now at this ABC Now former ABC 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.440 News correspondent lost his job over a tweety sent about 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.600 the Trump administration. Now he's coming out saying I meant 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:31.440 everything I said. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:32.920 Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.479 And he very clearly states I wasn't drunk because he 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.920 knew a lot of folks, including us, thought that was 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.919 a possibility presented. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.000 And we know the guy, Yes, we know him. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.640 But yes, after midnight on a Saturday night, you fire 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.120 off a tweet that is highly critical and very personal 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.040 against not only President Trump but his deputy chief of staff. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.640 And it seemed to have come out of nowhere. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:58.680 And so there are no. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.960 Good tweets after midnight on the weekend. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:02.560 Nothing good happens after midnight. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.800 Your mother told you that growing up, and it certainly 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.319 holds true with social media. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:07.679 I think what was the line? 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.040 It was the one that nothing is opened after two 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.319 am except legs and Walmart there you go. That was 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.640 the line that they used to say in this out. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.160 I'm not kidding, I hear, I believe. I'm just saying 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.000 you shouldn't be tweeting after midnight. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.119 It doesn't make sense. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.040 But he not only said that he meant to do 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.959 it and that he wasn't drunk while he did it, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:32.160 he says he has no regrets even after all the fallout, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.039 the fact that he lost his job. He says he 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.560 spoke the truth and you should never regret being honest. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.720 Okay, And that is where we kind of scratched our 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.360 heads this morning. Obviously, we know and respect Terry Moran. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.600 We worked with him for several years and he has 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.440 a long and even storied career in this business. Has 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.200 covered the Supreme Court, has covered the Capitol, covered the. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.720 White House, covered foreign news. He was positioned in London 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:58.720 for quite some time. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.200 And he knows better than an anybody that this is 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.040 not something in business that is done in journalism that 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.120 you can go out and openly not just criticize, but 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.960 give a personal, biting attack against someone. This wasn't a 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.119 policy issue, Robes. The issue here is he called people haters. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.160 How do you judge that that's your opinion about somebody, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.400 and that's fine, you can have it, but that's no repercussions. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.640 Not as a journalist, and not as a journalist for 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.400 a mainstream network. And the interesting thing is he I 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.239 have to admit I expected him to apologize. I expected 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.040 him to say I shouldn't have put that tweet out. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.720 I want to make clear that I was angry, upset 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.240 about X, Y and Z, and that I took my 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.680 journalism cap off in that moment and I became private 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:51.040 citizen Terry Moran in that moment and emotionally said how 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.480 I was feeling. But he didn't do any of the above. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.720 Not only didn't he apologize, He said, and this is 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.200 what actually really interesting to me, because you were alluding 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.240 to this, and we talked about it after we were 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:08.240 done with Morning Run today. You can be critical of 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:13.160 an administration's policies as a journalist by supporting that with facts. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.280 This was not that, this was. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:22.440 An emotional personal assessment that I'm sorry. As a journalist, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:29.240 you cannot professionally disseminate well and still expect to be 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.239 considered a journalist. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.440 And how can he make the argument that I'm speaking truth? 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.920 How can he make the argument that I put that 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.920 tweet out and I should not be criticized for it 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.280 because I am someone who put out information that was truth, 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.680 that was in my heart. How can you say about 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:52.000 another individual that they are a world class hater who 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.320 nourishes themselves with him themselves by eating hate. And that 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.840 is a fact, and that is truth, and because it is, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.400 I can say it. I don't know how he's making 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:03.480 that argument. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.960 And to follow up with that he did. Terry Moran 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.920 did a couple of interviews on Monday, and in his 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.760 interview with The New York Times, the Times was able 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:19.040 to ascertain that Terry Moran admitted he has never met 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:24.440 Stephen Miller. So that's also of note. He doesn't personally 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.840 know him, So how can he personally make an assessment 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:32.120 of his Stephen Miller's emotional state or motivation for his beliefs. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.080 So, you know, I would almost I would almost be 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.880 more willing to listen to him, being such a believer 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.400 in what his statement was if I knew he had 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.440 a long standing relationship personal relationship. Okay, he knows that 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.880 guy in a way I don't. He does not even 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:47.479 met the guy. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.680 No, and he admitted that to The New York Times. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.160 Obviously he's met President Trump, he sat down with him 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.920 in April for his one hundred days, and he even said, hey, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.960 when it was questioned or his impartiality was questioned, he said, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.479 when I was a journalist, when I was doing my interviews, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.000 I stand on my interviews. Go back and look at them. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.680 You'll see that I was fair and impartial. But to me, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.880 you can't say that and then put out a tweet 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.240 and defend it and say that's my right as a 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.760 journalist to tell the truth, and so you can't hold 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.520 me accountable for that. It was Look, this is not 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.000 something that just I mean, obviously it affected him. He 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.800 lost his job, but a lot of folks in media 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.320 and journalists were upset about his comments because it was 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.040 a gift to anyone on the right who thinks that 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.359 all members of the press, all members of mainstream. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.200 Media, are out to get the right, are out to. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.440 Be anti conservative, and it fueled that narrative, and so 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.840 it actually did damage to a lot of well intentioned, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.560 impartial journalists who are fighting that belief that has now 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.479 been reinforced by what Terry Moran not only did in 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.400 that tweet. But now what he's saying about his right 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:56.800 to make tweets. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:57.480 Like that as a journalist. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.760 I don't know in what world we could possibly live 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:05.440 in that a journalist could go out and say whatever 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:10.160 they want in their opinion, personal opinion, and then come 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:15.280 back and cover the people they just express their opinion about. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.480 I had every single story we've ever done, sweetheart, we 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.400 were on the air, we had an opinion about it, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.240 we had a feeling about it. But you don't let 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:23.320 it come through your reporting. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.239 It's that simple, correct and look, Terry Moran makes this point, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.679 and of course this is true. We're all human beings 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.120 who have had personal experiences, who have families who believe 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.360 certain things, who have friends who believe certain things, and 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.440 were influenced by all of that in how we think 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.320 about not only policy. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.160 But about politicians. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.279 Of course, we personally have those beliefs, but it is 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.520 our job to set those beliefs and those opinions aside 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:58.000 when we are commenting on and reporting on politics period. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.080 Our job, as I learned in journalism school and through 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.440 my career, that our jobs are to report facts and 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.320 let the people at home decide what they believe. It 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.280 is not our job to tell people what to think 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:12.280 how to think. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.760 It was a highlight. I'm sure this has happened to you, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.400 especially at your time in cable. Yes, but at CNN 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:24.880 and MSNBC where you were, those are hardcore politics watchers 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.560 that watch those and most networks. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.239 People on those networks were left of center. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.480 Yes, absolutely, but it was always great. And you never 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.760 like criticism and harsh criticism. But when you finish a 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.720 political interview or doing a political segment and you start 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.280 getting hateful tweets from the left and from the right, 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.560 then you probably did a pretty good job. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.240 You know what's so funny. I've always believed that too. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.560 One of the toughest interviews I think I did in 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.320 my entire career was when I got to sit down 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.720 with Hunter Biden and I had to ask him about 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.720 all of the improprieties that he was accused of. And 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.960 when I had folks from the right and folks from 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.640 the left saying that I was too harsh or I 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.760 wasn't hard enough. But they were both upset with me, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.239 and I had that I had criticism coming from both sides, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.520 and I thought, aha, I did my job. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:15.560 I did my job. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.040 Probably got it right, But how now I can't imagine? 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.760 So how about this is it okay? Suppose he was 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.320 doing a segment a story next week on President Trump 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:30.800 on ABC News and David Muir tosses to him, Terry 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.520 Moran is at the White House force Terry, and he starts, well, David, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.320 this world class hater, this president. Well, he was heading 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.920 out today on air Force one a day. Is that okay? Can? Well? 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:43.360 Why is it? 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:43.920 Of course? 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.280 Why is If that's the case, if you are allowed 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.920 to speak your mind, then speak it on TV? Why 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.840 are you not allowed to speak it there? There's a 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.920 reason for that. I don't understand this guy sixty five 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.040 years old. He's got more time in this industry than 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.160 he's got decades, more than I have in the industry. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.960 I don't know how he's coming out and making an 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.079 argument that this is okay and why hasn't he done 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.240 it for sixty five years? 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.280 Correct? He knows better. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.600 So it's hard for us and we'll get into this 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.679 a little bit for me to buy the fact that 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.480 he claims nothing prompted this. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.480 He wasn't drinking, He had a normal night. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.720 Where he walked his dog in the woods and was 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.920 contemplating life and the state of our politics and the 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.120 state the world's in He then watched Oceans eleven with 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.520 his family, put his children to bed, and then thoughtfully 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.960 and carefully sat down at his computer and wrote what 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.280 his heart believed was true, and that just. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.120 I don't buy it with a couple of typos. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:43.880 I don't buy it. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.760 With the typeos we know he is a Everything I 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.199 have known of him and from him has been by 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.600 the book. He is a very brilliant man. He is 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.960 smart as hell. He knows grammar, and I would think 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.520 he'd be somebody, especially folks who have been in the media, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.920 we know to check what we wrote twice, three times, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.080 four times to make sure there aren't any factual errors 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.280 or even grammatical errors or misspellings, because that obviously can 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.480 speak to your intellect. So it's a thing that I 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.560 feel like most every journalist does. They know to reread, reread, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.120 think about, and then post or then submit. I have 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.480 a hard time believing, with the grammatical errors that were 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.720 there and the stream of consciousness type of post it 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.800 was that this was something that he sat down to 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.360 do with intention, with a clear head. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.920 You know what he's making. The argument that it was deliberate, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.920 right that he was. He took time, he was reflective. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.720 I'll walk through the woods thinking about where the country was. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.200 He talked about using language. He said, the harsh language 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.680 was deliberate. He makes it sound as if he gave 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.400 specific thought to the words that he used. If you 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.040 have time to slow down and do that, you have 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.920 time to slow down and punctuate and make sure you 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.040 don't have grammatical errors. It's bizarre. That's something this explosive 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.280 that he knew what he was doing. That he claims 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.120 he but. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.000 He claims he was surprised. He told The New York 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.560 Times he was surprised by the reaction. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.600 Might make strike a nerve as well. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.800 He said, Okay, possibly, come on, he had to know 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:21.400 what he was going to do. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.920 I'm struggling with this because I'm so always respect I still, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.240 of course, will always respect what he does and has done, 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.319 and the time I got I didn't get to work 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.120 with him that closely, but more than plenty. I will 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.520 always respect that. This is just bizarre to me to 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.520 hear him defending coming out and personally attacking people. You 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.480 have to cover personally, you're this is a attack, and 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.560 keep your job and or or well, you can't. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.280 You can't do that and keep your job. And so I. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.120 I'm struggling to find a way to defend him. I 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.360 want to find a way to explain this. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:02.320 Okay, But in terms of the damage this does to 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.599 other journalists who are doing their best to maintain impartiality 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.040 and objectivity, I have an issue with what he told 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.520 the Bulwark. And this is what he said when they 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.720 pushed back, Hey, aren't journalists supposed to remain objective? Isn't 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.160 that what you're supposed to do. This is what Terry said, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.840 and I'm quoting him here. There is no Mount Olympus 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.840 of objectivity where a mandarin class of wise people have 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.040 no feelings about their society. What you have to be 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.839 is fair and accurate. And that's when he said, I 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.839 would refer to the interview with the President that I did, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.120 or a lot of my work, but fair and accurate. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.360 Would you say calling someone a world class hater is fair? 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.559 And how do you know you're accurate? Because you can't 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:51.160 possibly know what someone feels or is, especially if you've 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.839 never met them, just because you don't like their policies 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.640 or you don't like the reasoning behind their actions. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.000 It doesn't mean you know who they are deep down. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.560 So I would take issue with his point where he 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.440 is basically saying that he was fair and accurate. And 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.400 I also disagree that we're not talking about a mount 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.360 Olympus of objectivity. And of course we're not saying that 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.040 no one has feelings about things, but you certainly strive 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.000 to be as objective as you can be period. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.000 Stride. You have to be. It's the job you check yourself. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.840 I cried every morning before I came into GMA and 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.920 did a story on George Floyd, which I did every 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.520 single day after his death. And I have to check 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.960 black man, black community at the door and don't get 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.160 on TV and go off and get emotional and give 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.240 some of my personal feelings about things, even if I 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.040 think they are the truth, my truth fact or whatever 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:04.480 else's not. What's done? Robes? What is he talking about? 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.400 So I think I didn't know this. This is from 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.920 the New York Times article. Maybe this was a plan 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.439 all along. Maybe they're suggesting with some of the information, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.840 at least they're reporting that his new venture is a 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.800 venture that could be profitable if you are taking on 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:22.800 the Trump administration. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:27.440 Yes, so this forum, it's a sub stack. According to 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.640 The New York Times, I honestly had never heard of it. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.520 But a lot of anchors, journalists, reporters who have either 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.080 left their networks or been forced out of their networks 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.680 specifically or particularly if they take an anti Trump stance, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.560 can actually have a really very lucrative income. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.920 If you're having people pay five. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.240 Dollars a month, and it says Terry Moranner already has 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.160 ninety thousand subscribers. You can do the math. You're talking 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.600 about being able to make a seven figure salary if 0:14:54.680 --> 0:15:00.080 you are taking on this type of persuasion or this 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:01.280 type of stance. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.720 Now, in terms of him. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.720 Saying he was surprised that ABC News let him go 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.280 or initially suspended him, and then he's also digging issue 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.640 with what ABC's news ABC News's statement was about his release, 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.840 he says, we did have an oral agreement. They were 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.320 renewing my contract for three more years. He said it 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.800 was an oral agreement, not a written one yet. But 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.320 he said for them to say that they just decided 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.520 not to renew his contract, that they didn't actually have 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.440 to take action because his contract was up that week. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:39.640 He says, that's not that's not fully truthful. Okay, he 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.160 said they had a deal. Quote, we had a deal. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.040 Okay. Well, he announced the Substack deal the same day 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.480 that ABC announced he wouldn't be returning. He turned around 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.400 and got Substack in line in a matter of hours. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.200 Seems like he had his ducks in a row. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.080 Maybe he did, Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Oh, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.360 I don't want, I don't. I'm really am just trying 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:03.880 to make sense of it because this is a guy 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.520 who I know has to have known you don't make 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.000 it as far as he did in his career by 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.760 thinking you can do this, because there's plenty more he 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.120 could have said along the way for a long time. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.120 It just doesn't make sense. Look, he wanted to go 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.640 out and blaze of glory, not yourself out. Do you 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.040 think I don't have a problem with that at all? 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.200 If that's what he wanted to do. I'm just struggling 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.040 to make sense of why he did it, and I'm 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.640 struggling to make sense of how he's justifying it, because 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.240 I just don't see how you could think that every report, now, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:40.560 everybody that's a Trump supporter thinks obviously he was wrong. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.840 But then you have everybody on the other side of 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.840 the aisle who looks the Yeah, he spoke the truth. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.640 Leave him alone. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.520 Not everybody, because I do think journalists have acknowledged, even 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.320 if they tend to be left leaning journalists, that this 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.520 is doing harm to the industry and to the credibility art. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.280 I'm just talking about democrat political space. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:58.920 People outside of journalism. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.520 Yes, of course, of course they're saying, hey, finally someone 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.480 spoke the truth. But look, you've got jd Vance, the 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.320 Vice President, saying it was a full public meltdown, saying 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.240 Terry pulled off his mask, exposing himself among the radicals, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.600 adopting a journalist's pose. It's just sad to me in 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.679 a field that we both love, that we both have 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.119 taken tremendous pride in, and I can speak for us 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.520 both saying that we have I know that you and 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.800 I both bend over backwards to make sure we try 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:40.359 to not editorialize personal opinions about specific candidates. We will 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.679 of course back up anything with facts, and certainly things 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.760 can lean one way or the other with when the 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.800 facts present themselves. But it is a fine line and 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.000 it is a tough job, but this is making it 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.359 even tougher. I think for folks who are really trying 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:56.359 to walk that line. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.680 I wish him well, I really really do. I hope 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.960 this for me, to be honest with you, it seemed 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.600 like you knew what he was doing, and maybe I 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.520 don't have to understand it, or ever will understand it, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.920 but i'd like to. I'm really really curious. But other 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.560 than that, look, if he's okay and he's doing this 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.720 thing like always, as long as you're not hurting yourself 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.199 or anybody else, then I will support what you're doing. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.000 Knock yourself out. I just don't get how this guy, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:26.440 knowing what we know of him, could go out suggesting 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:31.240 that journalists should speak this way to things they cover, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.320 people they cover. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.600 Because they think it's the truth versus it being the truth. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.120 And look, I agree with you. Terry Moran has been 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.480 a consummate professional. I have relied on his reports, I. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.159 Have looked forward to him his information that leaned on him. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.320 Yes, and he has been a huge value, a huge 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.280 asset to ABC News for nearly three decades, and I 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.280 too wish him the very best. I just wish that 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.200 perhaps I tend to believe that there could be a 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.920 little bit more trans parency. I think it's hard to 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:08.679 imagine that this was a thought out, deliberate decision that 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:14.159 he continues to defend as a journalist. That's my only issue. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:15.760 I do wish him the best, and I hope he 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.560 has an amazing career going forward. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.119 Where he says, and this is his. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.040 Final words that he left with The New York Times, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.960 he said, I am now free to speak my mind, 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.000 and for that I wish him well. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.520 Well, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us for 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.520 a little bit. Just wanted to drop a little bonus 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.359 episode because Roboq was really worked up about this one. Well, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.439 thanks as always for listener. We'll catch you'all on the 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.760 next one for Angry Robot. I'm TJ. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:45.040 Holmes. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:45.600 Se y'all soon.