1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, there, folks, Robes and I must admit we were 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: wrong about Terry Moran. Turns out he meant that shit. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: a bonus episode. We didn't plan on doing this, but Rose, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: I am stunned now at this ABC Now former ABC 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: News correspondent lost his job over a tweety sent about 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Now he's coming out saying I meant 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: everything I said. 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 3: And he very clearly states I wasn't drunk because he 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: knew a lot of folks, including us, thought that was 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 3: a possibility presented. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: And we know the guy, Yes, we know him. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: But yes, after midnight on a Saturday night, you fire 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: off a tweet that is highly critical and very personal 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: against not only President Trump but his deputy chief of staff. 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: And it seemed to have come out of nowhere. 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: And so there are no. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Good tweets after midnight on the weekend. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Nothing good happens after midnight. 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: Your mother told you that growing up, and it certainly 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: holds true with social media. 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: I think what was the line? 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: It was the one that nothing is opened after two 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: am except legs and Walmart there you go. That was 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the line that they used to say in this out. 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, I hear, I believe. I'm just saying 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be tweeting after midnight. 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: But he not only said that he meant to do 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: it and that he wasn't drunk while he did it, 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: he says he has no regrets even after all the fallout, 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: the fact that he lost his job. He says he 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: spoke the truth and you should never regret being honest. 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Okay, And that is where we kind of scratched our 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: heads this morning. Obviously, we know and respect Terry Moran. 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: We worked with him for several years and he has 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: a long and even storied career in this business. Has 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: covered the Supreme Court, has covered the Capitol, covered the. 40 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: White House, covered foreign news. He was positioned in London 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: for quite some time. 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: And he knows better than an anybody that this is 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: not something in business that is done in journalism that 44 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: you can go out and openly not just criticize, but 45 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: give a personal, biting attack against someone. This wasn't a 46 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: policy issue, Robes. The issue here is he called people haters. 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: How do you judge that that's your opinion about somebody, 48 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: and that's fine, you can have it, but that's no repercussions. 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: Not as a journalist, and not as a journalist for 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: a mainstream network. And the interesting thing is he I 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 3: have to admit I expected him to apologize. I expected 52 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: him to say I shouldn't have put that tweet out. 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: I want to make clear that I was angry, upset 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: about X, Y and Z, and that I took my 55 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: journalism cap off in that moment and I became private 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: citizen Terry Moran in that moment and emotionally said how 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: I was feeling. But he didn't do any of the above. 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: Not only didn't he apologize, He said, and this is 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: what actually really interesting to me, because you were alluding 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: to this, and we talked about it after we were 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: done with Morning Run today. You can be critical of 62 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: an administration's policies as a journalist by supporting that with facts. 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: This was not that, this was. 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: An emotional personal assessment that I'm sorry. As a journalist, 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: you cannot professionally disseminate well and still expect to be 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 3: considered a journalist. 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: And how can he make the argument that I'm speaking truth? 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: How can he make the argument that I put that 69 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: tweet out and I should not be criticized for it 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: because I am someone who put out information that was truth, 71 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: that was in my heart. How can you say about 72 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: another individual that they are a world class hater who 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: nourishes themselves with him themselves by eating hate. And that 74 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: is a fact, and that is truth, and because it is, 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: I can say it. I don't know how he's making 76 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: that argument. 77 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: And to follow up with that he did. Terry Moran 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: did a couple of interviews on Monday, and in his 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: interview with The New York Times, the Times was able 80 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: to ascertain that Terry Moran admitted he has never met 81 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: Stephen Miller. So that's also of note. He doesn't personally 82 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: know him, So how can he personally make an assessment 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: of his Stephen Miller's emotional state or motivation for his beliefs. 84 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: So, you know, I would almost I would almost be 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: more willing to listen to him, being such a believer 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: in what his statement was if I knew he had 87 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: a long standing relationship personal relationship. Okay, he knows that 88 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: guy in a way I don't. He does not even 89 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: met the guy. 90 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: No, and he admitted that to The New York Times. 91 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: Obviously he's met President Trump, he sat down with him 92 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: in April for his one hundred days, and he even said, hey, 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: when it was questioned or his impartiality was questioned, he said, 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: when I was a journalist, when I was doing my interviews, 95 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: I stand on my interviews. Go back and look at them. 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: You'll see that I was fair and impartial. But to me, 97 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: you can't say that and then put out a tweet 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: and defend it and say that's my right as a 99 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: journalist to tell the truth, and so you can't hold 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: me accountable for that. It was Look, this is not 101 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: something that just I mean, obviously it affected him. He 102 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: lost his job, but a lot of folks in media 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: and journalists were upset about his comments because it was 104 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: a gift to anyone on the right who thinks that 105 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: all members of the press, all members of mainstream. 106 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: Media, are out to get the right, are out to. 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: Be anti conservative, and it fueled that narrative, and so 108 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: it actually did damage to a lot of well intentioned, 109 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: impartial journalists who are fighting that belief that has now 110 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: been reinforced by what Terry Moran not only did in 111 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: that tweet. But now what he's saying about his right 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: to make tweets. 113 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: Like that as a journalist. 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't know in what world we could possibly live 115 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: in that a journalist could go out and say whatever 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: they want in their opinion, personal opinion, and then come 117 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: back and cover the people they just express their opinion about. 118 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: I had every single story we've ever done, sweetheart, we 119 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: were on the air, we had an opinion about it, 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: we had a feeling about it. But you don't let 121 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: it come through your reporting. 122 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 3: It's that simple, correct and look, Terry Moran makes this point, 123 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 3: and of course this is true. We're all human beings 124 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: who have had personal experiences, who have families who believe 125 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: certain things, who have friends who believe certain things, and 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: were influenced by all of that in how we think 127 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: about not only policy. 128 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: But about politicians. 129 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: Of course, we personally have those beliefs, but it is 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: our job to set those beliefs and those opinions aside 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: when we are commenting on and reporting on politics period. 132 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: Our job, as I learned in journalism school and through 133 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: my career, that our jobs are to report facts and 134 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: let the people at home decide what they believe. It 135 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: is not our job to tell people what to think 136 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: how to think. 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: It was a highlight. I'm sure this has happened to you, 138 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: especially at your time in cable. Yes, but at CNN 139 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: and MSNBC where you were, those are hardcore politics watchers 140 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: that watch those and most networks. 141 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 3: People on those networks were left of center. 142 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, but it was always great. And you never 143 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: like criticism and harsh criticism. But when you finish a 144 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: political interview or doing a political segment and you start 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: getting hateful tweets from the left and from the right, 146 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: then you probably did a pretty good job. 147 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: You know what's so funny. I've always believed that too. 148 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: One of the toughest interviews I think I did in 149 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: my entire career was when I got to sit down 150 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: with Hunter Biden and I had to ask him about 151 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: all of the improprieties that he was accused of. And 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: when I had folks from the right and folks from 153 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: the left saying that I was too harsh or I 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: wasn't hard enough. But they were both upset with me, 155 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 3: and I had that I had criticism coming from both sides, 156 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: and I thought, aha, I did my job. 157 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: I did my job. 158 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Probably got it right, But how now I can't imagine? 159 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: So how about this is it okay? Suppose he was 160 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: doing a segment a story next week on President Trump 161 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: on ABC News and David Muir tosses to him, Terry 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Moran is at the White House force Terry, and he starts, well, David, 163 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: this world class hater, this president. Well, he was heading 164 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: out today on air Force one a day. Is that okay? Can? Well? 165 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: Why is it? 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: Of course? 167 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Why is If that's the case, if you are allowed 168 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: to speak your mind, then speak it on TV? Why 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: are you not allowed to speak it there? There's a 170 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: reason for that. I don't understand this guy sixty five 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: years old. He's got more time in this industry than 172 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: he's got decades, more than I have in the industry. 173 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how he's coming out and making an 174 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: argument that this is okay and why hasn't he done 175 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: it for sixty five years? 176 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: Correct? He knows better. 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: So it's hard for us and we'll get into this 178 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: a little bit for me to buy the fact that 179 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: he claims nothing prompted this. 180 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: He wasn't drinking, He had a normal night. 181 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: Where he walked his dog in the woods and was 182 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: contemplating life and the state of our politics and the 183 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: state the world's in He then watched Oceans eleven with 184 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: his family, put his children to bed, and then thoughtfully 185 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: and carefully sat down at his computer and wrote what 186 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: his heart believed was true, and that just. 187 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't buy it with a couple of typos. 188 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: I don't buy it. 189 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: With the typeos we know he is a Everything I 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: have known of him and from him has been by 191 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: the book. He is a very brilliant man. He is 192 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: smart as hell. He knows grammar, and I would think 193 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: he'd be somebody, especially folks who have been in the media, 194 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: we know to check what we wrote twice, three times, 195 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: four times to make sure there aren't any factual errors 196 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: or even grammatical errors or misspellings, because that obviously can 197 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: speak to your intellect. So it's a thing that I 198 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: feel like most every journalist does. They know to reread, reread, 199 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: think about, and then post or then submit. I have 200 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: a hard time believing, with the grammatical errors that were 201 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: there and the stream of consciousness type of post it 202 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: was that this was something that he sat down to 203 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: do with intention, with a clear head. 204 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: You know what he's making. The argument that it was deliberate, 205 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: right that he was. He took time, he was reflective. 206 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: I'll walk through the woods thinking about where the country was. 207 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: He talked about using language. He said, the harsh language 208 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: was deliberate. He makes it sound as if he gave 209 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: specific thought to the words that he used. If you 210 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: have time to slow down and do that, you have 211 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: time to slow down and punctuate and make sure you 212 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: don't have grammatical errors. It's bizarre. That's something this explosive 213 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: that he knew what he was doing. That he claims 214 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: he but. 215 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: He claims he was surprised. He told The New York 216 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: Times he was surprised by the reaction. 217 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: Might make strike a nerve as well. 218 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: He said, Okay, possibly, come on, he had to know 219 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: what he was going to do. 220 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this because I'm so always respect I still, 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: of course, will always respect what he does and has done, 222 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: and the time I got I didn't get to work 223 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: with him that closely, but more than plenty. I will 224 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: always respect that. This is just bizarre to me to 225 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: hear him defending coming out and personally attacking people. You 226 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: have to cover personally, you're this is a attack, and 227 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: keep your job and or or well, you can't. 228 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: You can't do that and keep your job. And so I. 229 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm struggling to find a way to defend him. I 230 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: want to find a way to explain this. 231 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: Okay, But in terms of the damage this does to 232 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 3: other journalists who are doing their best to maintain impartiality 233 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: and objectivity, I have an issue with what he told 234 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: the Bulwark. And this is what he said when they 235 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: pushed back, Hey, aren't journalists supposed to remain objective? Isn't 236 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: that what you're supposed to do. This is what Terry said, 237 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: and I'm quoting him here. There is no Mount Olympus 238 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: of objectivity where a mandarin class of wise people have 239 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: no feelings about their society. What you have to be 240 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 3: is fair and accurate. And that's when he said, I 241 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: would refer to the interview with the President that I did, 242 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: or a lot of my work, but fair and accurate. 243 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: Would you say calling someone a world class hater is fair? 244 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: And how do you know you're accurate? Because you can't 245 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: possibly know what someone feels or is, especially if you've 246 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 3: never met them, just because you don't like their policies 247 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: or you don't like the reasoning behind their actions. 248 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you know who they are deep down. 249 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: So I would take issue with his point where he 250 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: is basically saying that he was fair and accurate. And 251 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: I also disagree that we're not talking about a mount 252 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: Olympus of objectivity. And of course we're not saying that 253 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: no one has feelings about things, but you certainly strive 254 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: to be as objective as you can be period. 255 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Stride. You have to be. It's the job you check yourself. 256 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I cried every morning before I came into GMA and 257 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: did a story on George Floyd, which I did every 258 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: single day after his death. And I have to check 259 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: black man, black community at the door and don't get 260 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: on TV and go off and get emotional and give 261 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: some of my personal feelings about things, even if I 262 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: think they are the truth, my truth fact or whatever 263 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: else's not. What's done? Robes? What is he talking about? 264 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: So I think I didn't know this. This is from 265 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: the New York Times article. Maybe this was a plan 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: all along. Maybe they're suggesting with some of the information, 267 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: at least they're reporting that his new venture is a 268 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: venture that could be profitable if you are taking on 269 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. 270 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: Yes, so this forum, it's a sub stack. According to 271 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: The New York Times, I honestly had never heard of it. 272 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: But a lot of anchors, journalists, reporters who have either 273 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: left their networks or been forced out of their networks 274 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: specifically or particularly if they take an anti Trump stance, 275 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: can actually have a really very lucrative income. 276 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: If you're having people pay five. 277 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: Dollars a month, and it says Terry Moranner already has 278 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: ninety thousand subscribers. You can do the math. You're talking 279 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: about being able to make a seven figure salary if 280 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: you are taking on this type of persuasion or this 281 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: type of stance. 282 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: Now, in terms of him. 283 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: Saying he was surprised that ABC News let him go 284 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: or initially suspended him, and then he's also digging issue 285 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: with what ABC's news ABC News's statement was about his release, 286 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: he says, we did have an oral agreement. They were 287 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: renewing my contract for three more years. He said it 288 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: was an oral agreement, not a written one yet. But 289 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: he said for them to say that they just decided 290 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: not to renew his contract, that they didn't actually have 291 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: to take action because his contract was up that week. 292 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: He says, that's not that's not fully truthful. Okay, he 293 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: said they had a deal. Quote, we had a deal. 294 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Okay. Well, he announced the Substack deal the same day 295 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: that ABC announced he wouldn't be returning. He turned around 296 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: and got Substack in line in a matter of hours. 297 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: Seems like he had his ducks in a row. 298 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he did, Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Oh, 299 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't. I'm really am just trying 300 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: to make sense of it because this is a guy 301 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: who I know has to have known you don't make 302 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: it as far as he did in his career by 303 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: thinking you can do this, because there's plenty more he 304 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: could have said along the way for a long time. 305 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. Look, he wanted to go 306 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: out and blaze of glory, not yourself out. Do you 307 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: think I don't have a problem with that at all? 308 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: If that's what he wanted to do. I'm just struggling 309 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: to make sense of why he did it, and I'm 310 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: struggling to make sense of how he's justifying it, because 311 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: I just don't see how you could think that every report, now, 312 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: everybody that's a Trump supporter thinks obviously he was wrong. 313 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: But then you have everybody on the other side of 314 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: the aisle who looks the Yeah, he spoke the truth. 315 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Leave him alone. 316 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: Not everybody, because I do think journalists have acknowledged, even 317 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: if they tend to be left leaning journalists, that this 318 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: is doing harm to the industry and to the credibility art. 319 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about democrat political space. 320 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: People outside of journalism. 321 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: Yes, of course, of course they're saying, hey, finally someone 322 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: spoke the truth. But look, you've got jd Vance, the 323 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: Vice President, saying it was a full public meltdown, saying 324 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: Terry pulled off his mask, exposing himself among the radicals, 325 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: adopting a journalist's pose. It's just sad to me in 326 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: a field that we both love, that we both have 327 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: taken tremendous pride in, and I can speak for us 328 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: both saying that we have I know that you and 329 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: I both bend over backwards to make sure we try 330 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: to not editorialize personal opinions about specific candidates. We will 331 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 3: of course back up anything with facts, and certainly things 332 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: can lean one way or the other with when the 333 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: facts present themselves. But it is a fine line and 334 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: it is a tough job, but this is making it 335 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: even tougher. I think for folks who are really trying 336 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: to walk that line. 337 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: I wish him well, I really really do. I hope 338 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: this for me, to be honest with you, it seemed 339 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: like you knew what he was doing, and maybe I 340 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: don't have to understand it, or ever will understand it, 341 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: but i'd like to. I'm really really curious. But other 342 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: than that, look, if he's okay and he's doing this 343 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: thing like always, as long as you're not hurting yourself 344 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: or anybody else, then I will support what you're doing. 345 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Knock yourself out. I just don't get how this guy, 346 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: knowing what we know of him, could go out suggesting 347 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: that journalists should speak this way to things they cover, 348 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: people they cover. 349 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: Because they think it's the truth versus it being the truth. 350 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 3: And look, I agree with you. Terry Moran has been 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: a consummate professional. I have relied on his reports, I. 352 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: Have looked forward to him his information that leaned on him. 353 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: Yes, and he has been a huge value, a huge 354 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: asset to ABC News for nearly three decades, and I 355 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: too wish him the very best. I just wish that 356 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: perhaps I tend to believe that there could be a 357 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: little bit more trans parency. I think it's hard to 358 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: imagine that this was a thought out, deliberate decision that 359 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 3: he continues to defend as a journalist. That's my only issue. 360 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: I do wish him the best, and I hope he 361 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: has an amazing career going forward. 362 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: Where he says, and this is his. 363 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: Final words that he left with The New York Times, 364 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: he said, I am now free to speak my mind, 365 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: and for that I wish him well. 366 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Well, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us for 367 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. Just wanted to drop a little bonus 368 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: episode because Roboq was really worked up about this one. Well, 369 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: thanks as always for listener. We'll catch you'all on the 370 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: next one for Angry Robot. I'm TJ. 371 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: Holmes. 372 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: Se y'all soon.