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Speaker 3: all right, today's show, we are going to go pick
Speaker 3: by pick from the Patriots draft. We're probably not gonna
Speaker 3: talk too too much about Drake May because not only
Speaker 3: did we talk about him on Friday Show. So you
Speaker 3: can go listen back to Friday's show if you miss
Speaker 3: that one, But we also talked about Drake May for
Speaker 3: the last six months, so I think everybody pretty much
Speaker 3: knows where we stand on Drake May at this point.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go rounds two through seven here. We're
Speaker 3: gonna go pick by pick. We're also going to talk
Speaker 3: a little bit, I'm sure about Christian Barmore and other
Speaker 3: Patriots news that's going on. But this is gonna be
Speaker 3: our draft recap heavy show here, and my biggest takeaway
Speaker 3: from the draft is just to start big picture and
Speaker 3: then we'll get into the new show of each individual prospect.
Speaker 3: But my biggest takeaway from the draft, and the reason
Speaker 3: why I come off optimistic about this draft, is that offensively,
Speaker 3: they drafted with a schematic plan in mind, which is
Speaker 3: what I like. I like the fact that we can argue,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we will, and we already have emailers
Speaker 3: and you can call it an eight five to five
Speaker 3: pats five hundred of people that are going to debate
Speaker 3: whether they reached on certain players, or they got the
Speaker 3: right players, or what have you. But I think when
Speaker 3: you look at this nucleus that they're trying to build,
Speaker 3: let's take the offensive line out of it. For a
Speaker 3: second and just talk quarterback with Drake May. Receiver with
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk, receiver with Javon Baker. These are complimentary pieces.
Speaker 3: The two receivers fit Drake May's playing style, they fit
Speaker 3: alex Van Pelts offense, and they're complimentary to each other.
Speaker 3: Where Jalen Polk is more of this move zero receiver
Speaker 3: Javon Baker or that prototypical down the field X receiver overlap,
Speaker 3: not a ton of overlap, not a ton of you know,
Speaker 3: issues in terms of, well, this guy's kind of this
Speaker 3: and that guy. No, we know what everybody is. We
Speaker 3: see how the pieces fit together, and I also see
Speaker 3: how their skill sets. Two guys that can win the
Speaker 3: ball down the field. And I know people want speed,
Speaker 3: and I know people want separation, but what these two
Speaker 3: guys do is have the hands and the body control
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff to really be downfield
Speaker 3: ball winners and go up and get the ball and
Speaker 3: also win through traffic, which I think is something that
Speaker 3: this regime looked at as maybe where they missed on
Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton, because let's face it, Elliott Wolf, Macro, Cameron Williams,
Speaker 3: they were all here in twenty twenty two, when the
Speaker 3: Patriots drafted Taekwon Thorton in the second round, they were
Speaker 3: all in pretty high standing positions. Obviously, Bill Belichick had
Speaker 3: the final say in the draft, but Macro's director of
Speaker 3: player Personnel, Elliott Wolf was in a similar role. Cameron
Speaker 3: Williams was in a similar similar role. I think what
Speaker 3: they missed with Taekwon in something that I've adjusted my
Speaker 3: process to as well as I've learned throughout the years
Speaker 3: about the draft, is just how important play straight in
Speaker 3: playing through contact is at the NFL level, because you're
Speaker 3: not going to separate by ten yards every single time
Speaker 3: you run a route. Nine times out of ten, you
Speaker 3: are going to be catching the ball with somebody hanging
Speaker 3: all over you, or driving the catchpoint for MATA phase
Speaker 3: or in traffic or high traffic areas over the middle
Speaker 3: of the field. You're not going to be able to
Speaker 3: just always run by people like you do in college.
Speaker 3: And I think we watch these guys, these speed receivers
Speaker 3: in college and they are ten yards behind the defense
Speaker 3: all the time, and you're like, wow, look at this speed.
Speaker 3: It's incredible. But then they get in the league and
Speaker 3: then the passing windows they get smaller and smaller, and
Speaker 3: at some point you have to have play strengths. You
Speaker 3: have to be able to finish through contact. I think
Speaker 3: that that's the goal. With these two receivers. You have
Speaker 3: two guys that are ball winners, two guys that are
Speaker 3: accuracy erasers for the quarterback that can contort their bodies
Speaker 3: and make catches outside their catch radius or outside their
Speaker 3: frame I should say, with their catch radius. And you
Speaker 3: have a nice nucleus here. And the comparison that I
Speaker 3: keep going back to in my head about this group
Speaker 3: and is the green Bay Packers. Because A because of
Speaker 3: the Elliot Wolf connection, that's obvious, but B when you
Speaker 3: look at what they're doing. In twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 3: Packers drafted Christian Watson in the second round, Romeo Dobs
Speaker 3: in the fourth round. Then they came back last year
Speaker 3: and drafted Jayden Reid on Day two, and then they
Speaker 3: have this young quarterback in Jordan Love who's got a howitzer, right,
Speaker 3: and they put it all together and now you have
Speaker 3: a young nucleus to your offense that's cheap cost controlled
Speaker 3: under contract and building together and growing together and developing together. Obviously,
Speaker 3: green Bay, what's going on there in Packerland. That's a
Speaker 3: ceiling for how this could go. Right. They won a
Speaker 3: playoff game in Dallas last year. They're probably going to
Speaker 3: be a dark horse candidate to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: this year. The other team that I would look at
Speaker 3: and similarly is the Houston Texans. You have Nico Collins,
Speaker 3: you have Tank Dell, you have CJ. Stroud, right, these
Speaker 3: young players that are blossoming together. The Texans unlike the
Speaker 3: Packers because the Packers never spent in free agency or
Speaker 3: do anything splashy. The Texans then added this offseason by
Speaker 3: trading for Stefan Diggs. So if the Patriots want to
Speaker 3: follow the Texans model, then this year they hope that
Speaker 3: they see that they have something going with these guys,
Speaker 3: and then they make the Digs type trade next offseason.
Speaker 1: And that puts the cap on top of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that's the that's the way that they
Speaker 3: go about it, But for right now, I think you
Speaker 3: can be excited if you're a Patriots fan about this
Speaker 3: young nucleus of offensive weapons and quarterback obviously that they
Speaker 3: have going on. And two, I think that the way
Speaker 3: they were very thoughtful in how they drafted these receivers
Speaker 3: for Drake May. Yeah, and I think that's a really
Speaker 3: good thing as well. If you if you went out
Speaker 3: there and you got you know, I love Roman Wilson,
Speaker 3: you know, I love Roman Wilson, but that's a first
Speaker 3: and second level separator. That's a guy that's a jitterbug
Speaker 3: over the middle type of guy. They not that it
Speaker 3: wouldn't have completely worked with Drake May, but that's not
Speaker 3: really what Drake The short game is not Drake May's
Speaker 3: calling cart. His calling card is the deep ball. So
Speaker 3: you might as well go out and get two receivers
Speaker 3: that can win down the field and win deep. I
Speaker 3: really like how much thought they put into building the
Speaker 3: puzzle and having the pieces fit together, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's something that maybe they didn't do enough in
Speaker 3: the past, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an old belichickism, right. It's not about collecting talent,
Speaker 1: it's about building a team. And we talked about on
Speaker 1: Friday how the goal now has to be to build
Speaker 1: around Drake May. And that's what they did. They didn't
Speaker 1: just go out and draft receivers. They drafted receivers whose
Speaker 1: best skills line up with Drake May's best skills and
Speaker 1: vice versus. So, yeah, you have this big arm downfield
Speaker 1: quarterback who maybe isn't the most accurate, and then you
Speaker 1: went out. You got two receivers who can make plays
Speaker 1: down the field and know how to go outside their
Speaker 1: frame and catch the football. That's a that makes sense.
Speaker 1: There's a pairing there, So on the wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: really like how they operated. Look, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on with Adie Mitchell. I you know, I liked
Speaker 1: him better than Jalen Polk. But if they had information
Speaker 1: I didn't, which is obviously incredibly possible, then you know,
Speaker 1: I like Polk over say even and I know he
Speaker 1: was much later, but even over a guy like Troy Franklin,
Speaker 1: because if you think you have a plan for that
Speaker 1: you know, just outside slim burner receiver. If you have
Speaker 1: a plan for that guy, you already have that guy
Speaker 1: in the building. You don't need to draft him again.
Speaker 3: Faster version, just by the time speed.
Speaker 1: Whereas I don't know that they had they did have
Speaker 1: a guy like Jalen Polk in the building, and they
Speaker 1: didn't pay him and let him go to the Raiders instead,
Speaker 1: they had a guy. So when I look at it
Speaker 1: too in terms of being complimentary Jalen Polk, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of similarity to Jacobe Myers and to what I
Speaker 1: think they wanted Juju from the Shoester to be last
Speaker 1: year with Javon Baker, and it is it's Javon, not Chevan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Jevon Cool. That's what Brugler had. Well, now you'll
Speaker 1: love this as a Celtics fan. The Patriots have there, they
Speaker 1: have the J's. Now they have their own Ja's Jon.
Speaker 3: And you know, I gave you that comparison about uh,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think it's jahem Bell, but
Speaker 1: if it's Jay heme Bell even better. But I think
Speaker 1: it's Gee.
Speaker 3: I love that they have the jas, they have the
Speaker 3: j Jal.
Speaker 1: I thought you enjoy that, all right, But yeah, so
Speaker 1: so Jalen Polk, I think is the guy they wanted
Speaker 1: Juju smith Suster to be and Jaevon Baker kind of
Speaker 1: profiles as the guy you think they wanted Devonte Parker
Speaker 1: to be. So we'll see what happened. Like Juju still
Speaker 1: might be on the team, We'll see what happens. But
Speaker 1: you know, long term, at least they went out and
Speaker 1: they clearly felt these are roles they want filled. But
Speaker 1: the guys they had in place weren't filling them, weren't
Speaker 1: good enough, and so they went out and you know,
Speaker 1: they profiled the same. The question is can they play
Speaker 1: the roles at a higher level. That's what this whole
Speaker 1: thing's all about. Ultimately, we're gonna find out. But it
Speaker 1: feels like they gave themselves a chance to Like, they
Speaker 1: got guys that they can plug in. They got guys
Speaker 1: that make sense. They didn't just go out and be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know this receiver this, so we're gonna take him. No,
Speaker 1: they there really feels like a calculated play here, and
Speaker 1: all the picks fit together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great way of putting it. Now, with
Speaker 3: that being said, because we're not we're not always just
Speaker 3: Sunshine dot Com, I gotta I gotta play both sides
Speaker 3: of it a little bit. I think the one thing
Speaker 3: that you can definitely say for the Patriots in this
Speaker 3: draft is that when we look back on this draft
Speaker 3: in hindsight, the three players I think that we're gonna
Speaker 3: look back on and wonder, Yeah, if they got it right.
Speaker 3: Xavier Ligett, who I think they wanted to trade up
Speaker 3: for in the first round. Mike Reeves reported they wanted
Speaker 3: to trade up. He said his hunch was Xavier Lgett.
Speaker 3: Everybody's hunch is the Xavier leget It's it certainly sounds
Speaker 3: like that was their target, and they traded up Lad
Speaker 3: McConkie because he went with the original pick in the
Speaker 3: second round.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much, oh, you're saying that we're comparing
Speaker 1: them to. Yeah, I don't think the Patriots were interested
Speaker 1: in McConkie.
Speaker 3: I don't think so either, and we can get to
Speaker 3: that in a second. But fair or not, the J's
Speaker 3: which I'm doing now, that's awesome. The jamb are going
Speaker 3: to be compared, their careers are going to be compared
Speaker 3: to these guys. That that's just the bottom line. It's
Speaker 3: the same thing that we do with Taekwon Thornton and
Speaker 3: George Pikett's right, like, did.
Speaker 1: You add Troy Franklin on that list?
Speaker 3: And I'm about to at Troy Franklin to that list.
Speaker 3: I think Troy Franklin at the top of the fourth
Speaker 3: round was with somebody that they were trying to target
Speaker 3: and they got jumped by Denver. So my one criticism
Speaker 3: of this draft, and and again, we don't know if
Speaker 3: they're going to be right or wrong comparing them to
Speaker 3: those receivers, So I'm not going to hold it against
Speaker 3: them until they're wrong about it, right, Like, we don't know.
Speaker 3: But my one criticism of this draft was I do
Speaker 3: think that they weren't quite aggressive enough at times when
Speaker 3: the runs started to happen at certain positions receiver. They
Speaker 3: basically went There was a six receiver cluster that when
Speaker 3: at the end of the first round, top of the
Speaker 3: second round and they took the six to one right tackle,
Speaker 3: it definitely seemed like they missed the boat on the
Speaker 3: pure left tackles, you know, the Patrick Paul Kingley, Sumetia,
Speaker 3: Brendan Coleman right that group on Day two and they
Speaker 3: end up taking a guy that I think can play
Speaker 3: in the league. I don't think Kayden Wallace is a
Speaker 3: bad prospect. I think he's a better prospect than some
Speaker 3: of the consensus boards had out there, certainly, but we're
Speaker 3: talking about a position convert. Like the people that I've
Speaker 3: talked to about Kidden Wallace feel like at right tackle
Speaker 3: or guard, they feel pretty good that he could be
Speaker 3: a starter in the league at left tackle. That's a
Speaker 3: different story we'll see. And then at the top of
Speaker 3: the fourth round. I believe, and I'm just just my belief.
Speaker 3: I believe they got jumped for Troy Franklin, so they
Speaker 3: end up getting Javon Baker. Hopefully he's just as good,
Speaker 3: if not better, And we don't have to look back
Speaker 3: on this as you know, aj Brown to Nikhil Harry, right, like,
Speaker 3: I hope that's not the case, but that will be
Speaker 3: in hindsight what everybody will hold hold their hat to.
Speaker 3: So transitioning to Jalen Polk their first pick in this draft.
Speaker 3: You know, we got an email here in this I
Speaker 3: feel like alex is what a lot of people feel
Speaker 3: about their day too, in particular. So this is from Alexander.
Speaker 3: He says, we're going too easy on this regime. If
Speaker 3: you're going to criticize Bill for overdrafting players, we have
Speaker 3: to criticize Wolf and Mayo for taking the one hundred
Speaker 3: and fiftieth prospect with the sixty eighth pick. So we're
Speaker 3: talking about Kidd and Wallace. I thought he was talking
Speaker 3: about Polk here. Polka is in a similar boat that
Speaker 3: some people have.
Speaker 1: I don't think Polk. I wouldn't call Polk overdrafted just
Speaker 1: because of the way the board fell. Ye, and I
Speaker 1: Wallace is the one, and look, you could argue he
Speaker 1: was the best tackle on the board. But for a
Speaker 1: team that desperately my nitpick with the Wallace selection is
Speaker 1: and that they drafted him. My nitpick with the Wallas
Speaker 1: selection is your team that needs to tackle. Once you
Speaker 1: see that run start happening, you need to move up
Speaker 1: and not get left with Caden Wallace. That's the second
Speaker 1: guest there for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fair. But I agree with you one
Speaker 3: hundred percent that I don't necessarily view Polk as a
Speaker 3: as a as a total reach there. And I know
Speaker 3: that I thought the email was about both of them,
Speaker 3: but regardless, I think that's out there with both of
Speaker 3: those guys. So I just want to read you here
Speaker 3: are my Tier four receivers and what I when I
Speaker 3: did my final rankings. I'll read them in order. And
Speaker 3: this is before the draft, right, this is before the draft,
Speaker 3: and uh, what I looked at with these guys is
Speaker 3: I saw these guys as like pure wide receiver twos,
Speaker 3: like guys that could be good wide receiver twos in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 1: Not one bees.
Speaker 3: We're not talking about t Higgins, Deavonte Smith, not quite
Speaker 3: on that level. But a guy that can be a
Speaker 3: really good complimentary receiver to a number one guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe like a Kendrick Bourne, or like a Jacobe Myers
Speaker 3: or you know, somewhere along that lines. So first in
Speaker 3: the tier I had Lab McConkie, h Lab McConkie, Roman Wilson,
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, Jalen Polk, and I had a Day two
Speaker 3: grade on Jalen Polk. And my point is that I'll
Speaker 3: keep reading actually the whole list, Jalen Polk, Ricky Piersall,
Speaker 3: who I think was maybe the most overdrafted player in
Speaker 3: the entire draft by the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: But that's but he's gonna end up being good because
Speaker 1: it's the Niners.
Speaker 3: Maybe Jalen McMillan and Jermaine Burn. Those are all my
Speaker 3: Tier four guys that all basically went, except Troy Franklin,
Speaker 3: who slipped to the top of the fourth round for
Speaker 3: whatever reason. Those guys all went on Day two. And
Speaker 3: my view on it, Jalen Polk has his flaws, There's
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. He's not a speed receiver. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't call him a dynamic route runner. But Lad McConkie,
Speaker 3: who's the most dynamic route runner at all these guys? Certainly,
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of teams with Ladd McConkie
Speaker 3: had flagged some of his injuries. And I would also
Speaker 3: say that with Lad McConkie, playing strength is a concern.
Speaker 3: And if you're a team that wants to prioritize stronger
Speaker 3: guys at the catch point, stronger receivers on block, you know,
Speaker 3: run blocking, you know, just bigger, stronger guys, Lad McConkie
Speaker 3: at five eleven six was not gonna be your guy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk's got twenty pounds on Lad conky in two inches.
Speaker 3: Same similar thing with Roman Wilson, who I you know,
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved. But Roman Wilson is a small, sleek
Speaker 3: slot receiver. You know the comp that I used with
Speaker 3: him or it was always on manro Saint Brown. He's
Speaker 3: got good speed, he's got good shiftiness, he's got great
Speaker 3: route running. But he's a pure slot like that that
Speaker 3: is a pure inside guy without much size to him.
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, you I think hit the nail on the head,
Speaker 3: slender out outside receiver, but somebody that fits the same
Speaker 3: kind of body type and frame as a Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 3: And then you get to Jalen Polk, who has obvious
Speaker 3: concerns about speed and separation down the field, There's no
Speaker 3: doubt about it. But they obviously felt that his positives,
Speaker 3: you know, heady route running, play straight at catch point
Speaker 3: skills are what they were looking for, and they weren't
Speaker 3: looking for the bursty slot receiver. And so here we
Speaker 3: are with that being said, Like I said earlier, we
Speaker 3: are going to look back in Lad mcconkee. I promise
Speaker 3: you every step of the way, Lad mcconkee is going
Speaker 3: to be compared to Jalen Polk. Yep, every step of
Speaker 3: the way. What did you think of the Jalen Polk pick?
Speaker 3: But my point of reading out the tears is that
Speaker 3: I agree with you that I don't think that this
Speaker 3: was a major reach because all those guys ended up
Speaker 3: going pretty much in a run of like a round
Speaker 3: or two. And then there was also you know McConkie,
Speaker 3: Ricky Piersoll, Polk, like a lot of those guys went
Speaker 3: within the span of like ten picks. So the run
Speaker 3: was happening in this receiver class. We had heard so
Speaker 3: much about how great this receiver class was. The league
Speaker 3: obviously was crazy good high on the receiver class too,
Speaker 3: because they just started taking these guys. The guys started
Speaker 3: flying off the board. So I would say that it
Speaker 3: wasn't a reach for Jalen Polk, But at the same time,
Speaker 3: they're they're taking a risk on his flaws, just like
Speaker 3: they would be taking the risk on Lad mccomiss.
Speaker 1: If they like him, that's where they needed to take him.
Speaker 1: And a guy that can go outside his frame and
Speaker 1: get the football, a guy that has some vertical experience
Speaker 1: is going to be a fit in this offense. So
Speaker 1: you know what, I've liked them to maybe move back
Speaker 1: into the first round and get safely get absolutely, But
Speaker 1: I think for for where they were, it ended it
Speaker 1: was a good pick. It was a fine pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, where where do we and this is maybe
Speaker 3: we should save this for when we bring Javon Baker
Speaker 3: into this, which I guess we can do and we'll get.
Speaker 1: It's so much easier to talk about this draft by
Speaker 1: position than going in order of picks.
Speaker 3: And notice that, Yeah, so with Javon Baker, we just
Speaker 3: broke down how great the puzzle fits together, and we
Speaker 3: love it, you know, inside outside guys. But I think
Speaker 3: the bigger question, and before we get into like kind
Speaker 3: of a scouting report on Javon Baker, is just who's
Speaker 3: who's the odd man out in that receiver room now?
Speaker 3: I think this is gonna be the number one question
Speaker 3: that we get over the next couple of months. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they have even if you can, even if you want
Speaker 3: to say that they don't have necessarily a ton of
Speaker 3: high end talent in that receiver room just yet, they
Speaker 3: have a lot of bodies in that receiver room. I
Speaker 3: think there's one eleven guys in there now, So some
Speaker 3: of these guys are gonna have to be the odd
Speaker 3: men out and we're gonna have to see what ends
Speaker 3: up happening there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the two guys you look at
Speaker 1: here Jujus ms Schuster and Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, because at
Speaker 1: least with Juju, I mean, they've brought in a player
Speaker 1: with a very similar skill set who projects to play
Speaker 1: the same role, and they took him in the second round.
Speaker 1: So he's making the team, right, It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of how much he's playing and girod Meyo talked about
Speaker 1: earlier this offseason playing the kids and getting these younger
Speaker 1: guys experienced. So I think in Juju's regard to look
Speaker 1: at that, and then when it comes to Taekwon, it's
Speaker 1: just a numbers thing. He has no guaranteed money on
Speaker 1: his contract they're keeping. You have Pop Douglas, Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 1: and then the two draft picks a roster lock. So
Speaker 1: that's four guys. You feel like kJ Osborne probably is
Speaker 1: a pretty good shot to make the team, although he's
Speaker 1: now I mean, they've got guys similar to him, and
Speaker 1: then does Jalen Rager make it just off special teams
Speaker 1: ability and kick return ability? Now you're at six. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's Osbourne, Rager, Smith, Schuster and Thornton
Speaker 1: for one or two spots. And if you want to
Speaker 1: throw kisha on Booty in there too, you can, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's those guys for one or two spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think kJ Osborne is gonna make the team
Speaker 3: just because they signed him to this free agent deal.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot of money. It's not about the
Speaker 3: money necessarily. Then they can cut him probably and not
Speaker 3: necessarily feel it all that much. But I just feel
Speaker 3: like you brought the guy in in free agency and
Speaker 3: you gave him a little bit of guaranteed money. It'd
Speaker 3: be weird to then turn around and just cut the guy,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, unless he's terrible.
Speaker 1: Obviously, okay, so well, but then you have so now
Speaker 1: it becomes Juju Thornton booty rager for four spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder for one spot.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I do wonder what Juju if we start to
Speaker 3: hear murmurings of June one cut, maybe even a trade
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, you know, late twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: pick pick, swap, something along those lines. Somebody, I think
Speaker 3: it was Perillo, asked me what I see Jalen Polk's
Speaker 3: floor as an in the NFL, And I kind isn't
Speaker 3: it kind of late career Juju smith Shuster? Like, isn't
Speaker 3: it kind of like last year Juju Smith Shuster? Is
Speaker 3: you know, his absolute floor? I feel like, and I know,
Speaker 3: you know, his floor could be like out of the league,
Speaker 3: right right. I understand that, but just in terms of,
Speaker 3: you know, a floor of yeah, he's an NFL player,
Speaker 3: but I feel like it's Juju Smith Schuster in terms
Speaker 3: of his ceiling. I think he's a souped up Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit.
Speaker 3: Faster, I said, yeah, a little bit faster, a little
Speaker 3: bit better on the nine route, a little bit more
Speaker 3: better down the field than Jacoby Myers is. But similar
Speaker 3: player and both of them are incredibly strong at the
Speaker 3: catch point with great hands. So I look at those guys,
Speaker 3: it's pretty similar with Javon Baker. The thing that's interesting
Speaker 3: about him and I I feel it, and I can
Speaker 3: understand it to an extent because I do think there's
Speaker 3: a little bit more upside there with him. I think
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk is your typical low floor or high floor prospect.
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to come into the league, he's
Speaker 3: going to stick in the NFL. Is he going to
Speaker 3: be an all world receiver Justin Jefferson, No, probably not,
Speaker 3: but he's going to be a pretty solid Jacobi Meyer, Meyers,
Speaker 3: Tyler Boyd. You know, those are some of the comps
Speaker 3: that you hear for him. With Javon Baker started at Alabama,
Speaker 3: was buried on the depth chart behind some studs, Devonte Smith,
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams, John MATCHI Yeah, four star recruit then transfers
Speaker 3: to UCF breaks out. Has two great seasons one, you know,
Speaker 3: last year led the Big twelve in receiving and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of potential there with him. There's also a
Speaker 3: lot of inconsistency to his game. He has some of
Speaker 3: the worst It's not that the volume of drops jumps
Speaker 3: six drops last year. It's not like that is terrible.
Speaker 3: But I was texting you about this yesterday. He has
Speaker 3: some of the worst drops in terms of the outcome
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen, where he's dropping the ball on
Speaker 3: wide open targets and they're going for interceptions to the
Speaker 3: other team. They're ricocheting off his hands and going for interceptions.
Speaker 3: He had one against them. I think it was against
Speaker 3: Boise State where he was in the end zone, wide
Speaker 3: opening the end zone like reche Caldwell did right, drops
Speaker 3: the ball and the ricochet goes off his hands and
Speaker 3: for an interception to the other team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. I mean when you say that
Speaker 1: reminds me of Aaron Dobson. But I think and that's
Speaker 1: probably his floor. Yeah. That being said, what he can
Speaker 1: do explosively on the other end is exciting.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I see some like George Pickens there. He's not quite
Speaker 1: as athletic, but he's a boomer bust receiver. I think
Speaker 1: at his best he's gonna have games. Even at his best,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have games where he gets blanked, but then
Speaker 1: you know the next week he'll come out four catches,
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen yards, two touchdowns. I just think that's
Speaker 1: the kind of guy he's gonna be. So some people
Speaker 1: get really nervous by that kind of if. If they
Speaker 1: can go out next year and trade for Brandon Ayuker,
Speaker 1: draft of Luther Burden to be the dictating number one,
Speaker 1: and then you have Baker and Poult next to him,
Speaker 1: that's a really good group if you're drafting Baker to
Speaker 1: be your number one. I just don't know that even
Speaker 1: with the flashes, I don't know that the consistency is there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the two guys, I think that you hit it
Speaker 3: on the nail on the head there with the consistency,
Speaker 3: because I felt the same exact way, and when I
Speaker 3: wrote about him today on Patriots dot Com is exactly
Speaker 3: what I said. He's gonna have games or he's gonna
Speaker 3: leave the Patriots and receiving yards and he's gonna have
Speaker 3: games where he's invisible, right, and because of his playing style,
Speaker 3: not because he's not talented, but he's a big, big
Speaker 3: play receiver. So if he catches a sixty five yard
Speaker 3: touchdown that game, he's gonna be great next week. If
Speaker 3: he gets you know, doesn't have that big target down
Speaker 3: the field and he's not, his production is not gonna
Speaker 3: be so good. So I compared him to two guys
Speaker 3: from a body type athletics standpoint. He's Romeo Dobbs reincarnated.
Speaker 3: He's exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Tops was faster though, Wasn't he I faster? No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I think he's very very similar. I think Mark Draftible
Speaker 3: had It's like a ninety eight percent match for the
Speaker 3: two of them, and they play similarly where I think
Speaker 3: the one thing that I like about Javon Baker the
Speaker 3: most is that he's a pretty fluid, flexible route runner.
Speaker 3: At the top of routes. For a six foot one,
Speaker 3: two hundred and five pound guy, he can sink and cut.
Speaker 3: He can you know, stop on the vertical stem and
Speaker 3: create separation off his breaks at the second level.
Speaker 1: Is he a jitterbug?
Speaker 3: No, but he's got that fluidity and that ability to
Speaker 3: sink his hips and cut out of the break at
Speaker 3: the top that he's going to create some separation doing that.
Speaker 3: He also creates some separation with his explosiveness through the
Speaker 3: route break, especially on like double moves. You know, he
Speaker 3: can make guys look silly on double moves. So he's
Speaker 3: got a good setup of slant, dig out, go ball right,
Speaker 3: and then he can win two different ways.
Speaker 1: On the go ball.
Speaker 3: He can win down the field just running by you,
Speaker 3: and then he can also win on like a back
Speaker 3: shoulder or high point or something like that too and
Speaker 3: just post up on guys. So he's got a nice
Speaker 3: foundational set of X receiver route running ability that I
Speaker 3: think is encouraging. Jalen Polk to me right now has
Speaker 3: verticals and crossers like that's what he runs. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily, And part of it was because that wasn't
Speaker 3: a big part of Washington's offense. I looked this up
Speaker 3: and Michael Pannis never threw slants. He just doesn't throw
Speaker 3: slants like that's just not you know, the short game
Speaker 3: is just not something that they did. They were bombs
Speaker 3: away all game, every game, and so Jalen Polk has
Speaker 3: was targeted on inbreaking routes. I think it was a
Speaker 3: total of three times. He had one slant and he
Speaker 3: had two digs, and the rest of it is just goes,
Speaker 3: crossers and hitches right Like it's just that's his route,
Speaker 3: true right now, Whereas I feel like with Javon Baker,
Speaker 3: there's a more complete projection of what routes he can
Speaker 3: run in terms of the full tree of X routes,
Speaker 3: you know, like I mentioned first, second, first, second, third
Speaker 3: level routes that you see on film. The other thing
Speaker 3: I like a lot about Javon Baker is that not
Speaker 3: necessarily I think it's saying if it fails and the
Speaker 3: outside is probably put the wrong way to put it.
Speaker 3: But he can also be a big slot. I think
Speaker 3: you know, he showed some ability certainly to run the
Speaker 3: seam like that. That's there and if you are a
Speaker 3: little bit concerned about the four five four, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily translate on the outside in terms of the speed,
Speaker 3: if you get him matched up against linebackers in safeties,
Speaker 3: he's fast all of a sudden, yeah, right, So if
Speaker 3: you get him inside the formation, which he did I
Speaker 3: think twenty seven percent of the time last year, is
Speaker 3: mainly an outside guy, but if you get him matched
Speaker 3: up on the inside of the formation, now you have
Speaker 3: seam runs, a nice zone sits where he's a big target.
Speaker 3: He's got a nice catch radius to just be QB
Speaker 3: friendly and sit in the middle of his zone, and
Speaker 3: you have some of that big slot potential as well.
Speaker 3: So I think that he can move inside and outside
Speaker 3: a little bit more than I thought when I originally
Speaker 3: watched him before the draft, he really felt like an
Speaker 3: outside guy. But I mentioned Romeo Dobs, the other guy
Speaker 3: that I think fits a lot, and I happened to
Speaker 3: go to the same school as Gabe Davis. Gabe Davis
Speaker 3: is also pretty good fake. Gaby is a little bit bigger.
Speaker 3: You know, he's got about ten pounds on Baker, but
Speaker 3: they both ran four or five fours. They're both like
Speaker 3: six to one and change, and they're both these boomer
Speaker 3: bust players. Gabe Davis is one of one of those
Speaker 3: players where seventy five percent of his production comes in
Speaker 3: four games every single year. Right, So those two guys
Speaker 3: might not sound to Patriots fans like, oh, we just
Speaker 3: got Tara Loans. I get it. But the thing is
Speaker 3: is that, like you mentioned, earlier. If Jalen Polk is
Speaker 3: souped up Jakobe Myers and Javon Baker is Gabe Davis, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then they can go out next offseason and get
Speaker 3: that true number one guy. Now you're building something.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like the plan is. So it's
Speaker 1: like you tweeted this morning, you're getting ready to debate
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, and who's the tackle from Texas?
Speaker 3: Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one from Texas, right, yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: just replied Luther Burton, And I mean I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: having fun, you know, poking fun because it's just another name.
Speaker 3: I think you've also told me about Luther Burden for
Speaker 3: like two years.
Speaker 1: Just like I did, say if you're worthy, and how
Speaker 1: did you endup feeling about him? And so I replied
Speaker 1: to your tweet, I said, Luther burn just kind of
Speaker 1: having fun, like these are the names, those are the
Speaker 1: three big names. And everybody started replying, no, they need
Speaker 1: a tackle, No, they need a tackle, like they're not
Speaker 1: going to take receivering Like I don't know that I
Speaker 1: probably will want them to take a tackle at this
Speaker 1: time next year, but or you know, a week ago,
Speaker 1: this time next year. Yeah, but I at the same time,
Speaker 1: they just kind of seemed to be good doing left
Speaker 1: tackle by committee, and it does feel like there's a
Speaker 1: long term plan here at receiver, and like if you
Speaker 1: add a Luther Burden to this group, or you go
Speaker 1: out you make a trade for Brandon Ayuk or one
Speaker 1: of these top receivers that's going to be available, you
Speaker 1: go out and get a DK Metcalf, now suddenly you're
Speaker 1: really cooking. So I don't think either of these guys
Speaker 1: was brought in to be the overwhelming wide receiver problems
Speaker 1: solver in New England. I think they were brought into
Speaker 1: play next to that guy. And that guy is still
Speaker 1: TBD because when you took the quarterback third or which
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do unless they were going
Speaker 1: to trade back up. And I don't even know if
Speaker 1: likely get was that guy. I think he's maybe that
Speaker 1: one B, maybe he's that T Higgins. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was ever that one A. There were three, maybe
Speaker 1: four to one a's in this draft. Once you took
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you weren't getting that guy this year in
Speaker 1: the draft. And that's okay. They weren't gonna fill every
Speaker 1: ed in this draft. We had talked about that leading up.
Speaker 1: So I think the plan now is to figure out,
Speaker 1: you know, next year, who is being added to this group. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think with Baker there's probably a little bit
Speaker 3: more ceiling there in terms of he if he hits
Speaker 3: his ceiling, I've been trying, you know, Gabe Davis and
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobs or comp said. I feel like that's who
Speaker 3: he's gonna be in the league most likely if it
Speaker 3: works out. But I'm trying, you know, ceiling comps I
Speaker 3: think are a little bit more different, all right, difficult.
Speaker 3: Maybe at George Pickens is a little bit better than
Speaker 3: those two guys. Yeah, maybe we put him in that category.
Speaker 3: It's not bad.
Speaker 1: I don't realize. Do you think Pickens the number one?
Speaker 3: I think he's a one B.
Speaker 1: He's not consistent enough to be one. That's the big thing.
Speaker 1: If he was consistent, he would be but he's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I think nowadays in the league, the receiver
Speaker 3: position is so valuable and is so such a sought
Speaker 3: after commodity that there's there's it's almost like in baseball
Speaker 3: where there's aces and there's number one.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I love doing that at corner we
Speaker 1: can do that at receiver. Pickens is well, he is
Speaker 1: by default the number one, he's the best receiver.
Speaker 3: He's not nay, he's a number one starter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not nay.
Speaker 3: Right, So you know guys that That's how I would
Speaker 3: break down this draft. I think you know you had
Speaker 3: guys like the Big three, obviously Harrison neighbors of dunes
Speaker 3: or aces.
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe Brian Thomas is like fringy.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's an ACE, Maybe he's kind of a tweeter
Speaker 3: in between those two things. And then you had a
Speaker 3: couple of guys that were number one starters, Adie Mitchell,
Speaker 3: Xavier Lagette. I would say maybe Keon come.
Speaker 1: The difference. The difference here is to use this analogy
Speaker 1: because he's it for corners. Every team has a number
Speaker 1: one by default. Yeah, and it's do you feel good
Speaker 1: this guy being your best wide receiver? An ACE? You
Speaker 1: can have more than one A like I would say
Speaker 1: the Bengals have more than one ACE. Yeah, the Dolphins
Speaker 1: have more than one ACE. You put Jalen Waddle on
Speaker 1: most teams? Is the number one? Eagles? Eagles is the
Speaker 1: best example. Yeah, you put DeVante Smith on most teams?
Speaker 1: Is the best receiver? You feel great about that, you
Speaker 1: feel fantastic about that, but he's not their number one
Speaker 1: receiver technical.
Speaker 3: Right, I feel like the league is just that way.
Speaker 3: The other The last thing I'll say about Javon Baker
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about the lineman. H I texted you
Speaker 3: this yesterday, my confidence Javon Baker, and you just said
Speaker 3: the j's which makes it even better is Jalen Brown,
Speaker 3: Because Jalen Brown will hit the three with the hand
Speaker 3: in his face from like thirty feet out, and then
Speaker 3: he'll brick a wide open corner three and you're like,
Speaker 3: what is going on? Or he'll have this like terrible turnover,
Speaker 3: and then the next play he'll dunk on somebody you know,
Speaker 3: And that's that's Jayvon Baker to me. Jayvon Baker makes
Speaker 3: the easy the hard stuff look easy and the easy
Speaker 3: stuff look hard, right, And so if you can get
Speaker 3: him to it's not that different than Drake may like.
Speaker 3: If you can get these two guys to just be
Speaker 3: insistent and always bring out the highlights and not the
Speaker 3: low lights, then they're gonna be great, great players in
Speaker 3: the league most likely.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: This is why you know, I think Gave Davis works
Speaker 3: so well for Baker. Most likely he's just gonna be
Speaker 3: inconsistent for the rest of his life, Like that's just
Speaker 3: the type of guy that's gonna be. But that still
Speaker 3: could be that there are games where Javon Baker has
Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns like
Speaker 3: that that still exists within his game. It's just that
Speaker 3: the next week he's probably gonna be invisible. So that's
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna have to live with. But I
Speaker 3: really liked watching him. He's a really explosive player. I
Speaker 3: think he runs plays a lot faster. Both these guys
Speaker 3: play a lot faster than their forty times. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: get too caught up in forty times with either one
Speaker 3: of these players. I think they play football in pads
Speaker 3: between the lines a lot faster because they're so damned competitive.
Speaker 3: Both guys are dogs like. Both guys are super competitive,
Speaker 3: super you know, they're in game athletes, like they're guys
Speaker 3: when the lights around.
Speaker 1: The They drafted good. They're good at football.
Speaker 3: They're not good at underwear Olympics. As much as I
Speaker 3: love the combine, that's just not going to be their
Speaker 3: thing necessarily. But you look at some of the in
Speaker 3: game track and data. Some of the stuff from the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl with Javon Baker is really positive too. He
Speaker 3: had the second fastest time at the Senior Bowl during
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl practices, only behind tes Walker. But then you
Speaker 3: look at their discrepancy and forty and you're like, how
Speaker 3: did that happen?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like, he almost touched twenty one miles an hour at
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl running routes, which is an impressive speed obviously,
Speaker 3: So it's a I'm optimistic about these two guys, but
Speaker 3: I also won't think we did a good job of
Speaker 3: keeping it in context of I don't think that either
Speaker 3: one of these guys is a true number one down
Speaker 3: the road, but they're really good complimentary players that once
Speaker 3: they do get that number one, now they really have
Speaker 3: an offense. Like now they really have a big time group.
Speaker 3: You mentioned i Uke. I know it's a pipe dream,
Speaker 3: but somebody like you coming in here now, the Patriots really,
Speaker 3: on paper have a very very good offense in terms
Speaker 3: of personnel. Let's see if it all comes together.
Speaker 1: Hang on, I have the list of guys who will
Speaker 1: be like the Brinn and ayukx next year. Let me
Speaker 1: pull this up real quick. It is T Higgins, assuming
Speaker 1: he doesn't get extended off the franchise. DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, Jalen Wattle, Garrett Wilson all right, and Davonta
Speaker 1: Smith's gott an extension since I rot, Yeah, so those
Speaker 1: are they're probably not getting Garrett Wilson, Jalen Wattle, DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf. I take any of those guys.
Speaker 1: I love DK Metca. I'd be a ton of fun
Speaker 1: and he would be ideal with Drake May.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be a match
Speaker 3: made in heaven those two. Yeah, yeah, I I I'm
Speaker 3: optimistic about it. I think it. It's both guys have
Speaker 3: reasons to like their games and be excited about their games,
Speaker 3: even if I think a lot of people and myself included,
Speaker 3: sometimes get caught up in the four to three guys
Speaker 3: and just want the the pure speed guys, the pure
Speaker 3: track guys. We've been down that road before with Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 3: We've been down the other road before with like the
Speaker 3: Size Speed guy and Nikhil Harry. And I know people
Speaker 3: when I say size speed, they're like speed with Nikhil
Speaker 3: Harry was fast for his size. You know, he had
Speaker 3: a very very good weight adjusted forty time. But we
Speaker 3: been down the road with those athletes, like those guys
Speaker 3: that are just these raw athletes, and it hasn't worked out.
Speaker 3: When I look at Baker and Polk, I look at
Speaker 3: two football players, I look at two guys that know
Speaker 3: how to run routes. I know how to get open,
Speaker 3: they know how to catch the ball, that know how
Speaker 3: to create with the ball in their hands in Baker's
Speaker 3: case a little bit. So I'm optimistic about both those
Speaker 3: guys hitting there what I project to be. You know,
Speaker 3: they're comfortable NFL projections, you know, Gabe Davis, Jacoby Meyers
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more juice like. I think that
Speaker 3: those are both realistic. Going to the offensive line, You're right,
Speaker 3: it is easier to talk about this draft in.
Speaker 1: Position groups at least through here, and then we can
Speaker 1: do the late day three guys Like to me, you
Speaker 1: have Drake May, you have the top one fifth receivers. Yep,
Speaker 1: you have the top one fifty lineman, and then you
Speaker 1: do dial Joe Milton en Belt.
Speaker 3: Then everybody else. Yeah, don't sleep on Jeen.
Speaker 1: Bell though, I we're gonna get to Jeeene Bell. I'm
Speaker 1: not don't sleep. Don't sleep He's I'll just say, like,
Speaker 1: for where they got obviously, Drake makes my favorite pick.
Speaker 1: He's the best player, but like all things considered, where
Speaker 1: they got him and all that, Jahem Belt might be
Speaker 1: the best pick of their draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Javon Baker is probably the best value
Speaker 3: they got in the draft, probably a guy that is
Speaker 3: a top one hundred talent in most receiver drafts. But
Speaker 3: there's so much talent in this receiver draft that him,
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, like those guys are in my mind top
Speaker 3: seventy five picks and other drafts. But unfortunately for them,
Speaker 3: but better for the Patriots. Uh, there's so much talent.
Speaker 3: And I remember when I did my Best Available for
Speaker 3: Day three and I was going through some of the guys. Ever,
Speaker 3: I was shocked by how much receiver talent was still
Speaker 3: out there. And we knew this was gonna happen, I
Speaker 3: was still surprised by it. You know, you have Troy Franklin,
Speaker 3: Ted Walker, Javon Baker available for you at the top
Speaker 3: of the fourth round. That does not happen any other year.
Speaker 1: So I'm supposed to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, offensive line. I totally understand the concerns with Cane
Speaker 3: Wallace flipping sides. I think they're legitimate. The comparison I
Speaker 3: always someone told me I think it was carn Brisillo.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was a scar. I remember one
Speaker 3: of the offensive line coaches that's been through here told
Speaker 3: me to take a pen. You're right he or lefty, righty, righty?
Speaker 3: Write me something with your left hand.
Speaker 1: No, this isn't there's I talked to a former college
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. I know what you're saying. It's not
Speaker 1: as simple as right with your right hand, right with
Speaker 1: your left. It's you know, right. You move the paper
Speaker 1: based on where you are. So if you're used to
Speaker 1: playing right tackle, so now it's in front of you.
Speaker 1: Now you go to right guard. Now it's over here.
Speaker 1: Now you go to center. Now it's over here. Now
Speaker 1: you're left guard. Now you're writing with your off hand
Speaker 1: all the way over here. Yeah, and now it left tackle.
Speaker 1: You got to write with your off hand all the
Speaker 1: way over here. I just you know, tip some my
Speaker 1: fingers on the pen. Yeah, have to write my name.
Speaker 1: That is the toughest move on the offensive. Right guard
Speaker 1: to right tackle and vice versa is easier. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it's easier to move between. Just stay on the same
Speaker 1: side and move inside to outside.
Speaker 3: Everything right, Your drive foot's different. You know, your inside
Speaker 3: foot's different, your plan foot's different. Your hands are now flipped. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's all different. Now can he do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Any like yes, like in theory, he can do it.
Speaker 3: I think the things that you look at.
Speaker 1: It's a project, though. I don't think people realize how
Speaker 1: hard being a true swing tackle is. Like, people didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate Ladry and Waddle enough when he's here. They spent like,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, they spent two or three years and
Speaker 1: nobody noticed because there were bigger things going on. They
Speaker 1: spent two or three years really missing Ladrian Waddle and
Speaker 1: of all people, so they signed this the uh like
Speaker 1: the UDFA tackle. Zerry Henry has over eight hundred snaps
Speaker 1: that left tackle and right tackle in his career. That's
Speaker 1: a swing tackle. A guy that has played exclusively right
Speaker 1: tackle for four years, but you think he's athletic enough
Speaker 1: to make the move isn't a swing tackle. He's a
Speaker 1: right tackle. You're gonna try to play it left. That's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were some guys like that in this draft though,
Speaker 3: to be fair.
Speaker 1: Like true swing tackles.
Speaker 3: No guys that like a Marius Mams, Tyler Geyon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those guys played right tackle in college that everybody thinks
Speaker 3: are athletic enough to flip.
Speaker 1: Giten's unique because he was the right tackle in a
Speaker 1: lefty quarterback offense. So he like a blind side experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like those guys are the It's still not easy for
Speaker 1: them because you still got to move the sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's certain things you do as a blind side
Speaker 1: protector on either side that you don't do on the
Speaker 1: strong side. Certain things are gonna have to deal with that,
Speaker 1: just you know, at least you have that kind of experience. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I watched Wallace, and I should mention too
Speaker 3: that down at the Shrine Bowl, he did take some
Speaker 3: passets on the left side. They flip, They flip them all,
Speaker 3: like that's what they do. You know, Senior Bowl, same
Speaker 3: thing guy in Uh. You know, those guys all played
Speaker 3: some snaps on the left.
Speaker 1: Show at right tackle at the combine, lucky for the Chargers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think Wallace when you watch him, he's
Speaker 3: a twitchy mover. He's very twitchy out of his stance,
Speaker 3: he can really get out and into his landmark initially.
Speaker 3: The issues that I think present themselves, especially against speed,
Speaker 3: is more on like kicks two, three, four right, it's
Speaker 3: not right out of his stance and right out of
Speaker 3: his stands. He's usually pretty good as he kicks out
Speaker 3: of his stance and slides with his feet, he tends
Speaker 3: to his pads, tend to elevate, and then if he
Speaker 3: feels pressure, you know, speed, especially coming off the edge.
Speaker 3: He's what's called an early hip opener. So instead of
Speaker 3: sliding his feet like a play like somebody guarding somebody
Speaker 3: in basketball and trying to stay in front of him
Speaker 3: that way, he'll just turn and start to run right,
Speaker 3: turn his hips and open his hips open and then
Speaker 3: almost like get into like a gallop. The issue with
Speaker 3: what happens when that happened, when players do that, is
Speaker 3: that they leave themselves very vulnerable to inside counters. So
Speaker 3: you get up up the field like that well schooled
Speaker 3: rushers like in the league, they're gonna inside spin you
Speaker 3: all day long. They're just gonna say, all right, you're
Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna overcompensate and try to jump out to
Speaker 3: that that landmark out there, I'm just gonna spin inside
Speaker 3: or I'm just gonna arm over, you know, swim inside, right,
Speaker 3: So you have to his big concern, I would say
Speaker 3: right now, is that the fact that his lateral movement
Speaker 3: later in his past set causes a short corner, so
Speaker 3: he gets into this early hip opening sick sequencing. Now
Speaker 3: that being said, he's got really good hands, He's got
Speaker 3: good length, you know, thirty four inch arms, and he
Speaker 3: knows how to use him. You know, he plays long
Speaker 3: and he has really heavy hands, like he can stun guys,
Speaker 3: he can slow guys down. And I do think that
Speaker 3: his initial movements out of his stance are are twitchy,
Speaker 3: are there's a good burst there, So I think that
Speaker 3: there's something to work with him there. I would just
Speaker 3: say that if I was switching him over to left tackle,
Speaker 3: I would be a little bit concerned about really true
Speaker 3: speed guys. You know, Miami just drafted Chop Robinson like
Speaker 3: him coming off the edge at him against Miami in
Speaker 3: a few months like that would concern me a little
Speaker 3: bit about him at left tackle. But in general, great anchor,
Speaker 3: great hand strength, great length, knows how to use it
Speaker 3: pretty good. Initially out of his stance in this pass set.
Speaker 3: And when you have those combinations, like you should be
Speaker 3: able to translate that to the league. And let's just
Speaker 3: hope that you know, Drake may is as good against
Speaker 3: pressure as I think he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to I just this seems to
Speaker 1: be their plan. It's been there playing the last few
Speaker 1: years that they're not They haven't added a real consistent
Speaker 1: left tackle, Like I think Trent is a good player.
Speaker 1: Trent Brown's a good player, but he was kind of
Speaker 1: a wild card in his own right. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, you've brought in Calvin Anderson, who who
Speaker 1: was incredibly inexperienced and was mostly a right tackle in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Or he is a true swing tackle. You
Speaker 1: brought in Riley Reef, who was a right tackle and older.
Speaker 1: You tried you know, guards out, they tried City So
Speaker 1: who was a college guard, another position mover, and now
Speaker 1: this year there are two top options for left tackle.
Speaker 1: It seems like our guy that hasn't played left tackle
Speaker 1: since college has only played right tackle in the NFL
Speaker 1: in six seasons, and a guy who was a right
Speaker 1: tackle in college. Yeah, and at a certain So that's
Speaker 1: my thing with Kayden wallasback if he had been like
Speaker 1: their second offensive lineman. Great, you got a guy that's experienced,
Speaker 1: good right tackle, probably gonna give you some snaps at
Speaker 1: guard as well, like solid second lineman pick. But for
Speaker 1: a team that has needed a left tackle for so long,
Speaker 1: to walk away from this without a true left tackle,
Speaker 1: I can't shape. That's my biggest second guess in the draft.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily Wallace himself, it's how do you not
Speaker 1: come away? They attacked a wide receiver position so aggressively,
Speaker 1: which you can he already was the third biggest of
Speaker 1: the three needs, simply because at least they had depth
Speaker 1: at wide receiver Samy, you will about the right, like,
Speaker 1: there's guys in there that can play. They didn't have
Speaker 1: the top of the depth drier, but there's guys in
Speaker 1: that can play. So to attack the wide receiver position
Speaker 1: the way they did and then just kind of say
Speaker 1: it left tackle, I will figure it out. It feels
Speaker 1: like they've been trying to figure it out at left
Speaker 1: tackle without an obvious answer for three or four years now,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked. And we're maybe Caane Wallace works out.
Speaker 1: Great if he does, awesome, It's a brilliant pick, but
Speaker 1: that's a that's hardly a guarantee when you have a
Speaker 1: guy moving sides like that.
Speaker 3: I it's my biggest second guess of the draft because
Speaker 3: your shows are big on this. You know, Feulger is
Speaker 3: big on this. Did they misread the board?
Speaker 1: So that's the one where I'm fine with them letting
Speaker 1: Polk follow to them at thirty seven. That one makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. I can understand that. Yeah, they once
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul went fifty fifth, Yeah, that needed to be.
Speaker 1: That needed to set the alarm bells off, and all right,
Speaker 1: we need it. This is about to because most people
Speaker 1: thought Paul is a third round pick. Once that guy
Speaker 1: goes there, you need to recognize, Oh, everybody's gonna panic here. Tackle.
Speaker 1: We need to tackle more than most of these teams.
Speaker 1: We need to get up there and get a guy.
Speaker 1: Whether that's And I know I sound like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a hypocrite saying Blake Fisher because I just
Speaker 1: went on the whole thing about you know, true swing tackles.
Speaker 1: Fisher at least like played left tackle in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they really like as a higher.
Speaker 3: Rated prospect, not that the consensus really matters all that much,
Speaker 3: but he's a higher rated process.
Speaker 1: Well, so the point being, like, I can see why
Speaker 1: they maybe wouldn't have been interested in Kingsley. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's right. I think they were looking for older,
Speaker 1: more experienced prospects, guys without the injury history. But Blake
Speaker 1: Fisher checked all the boxes of the guys they took,
Speaker 1: but at least he had some left tackle experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it definitely seems you know. Another positive for
Speaker 3: Cadden Wallace forty career starts at Penn State is a lot.
Speaker 1: So I like Kden Wallace's I mocked him to the Patriots, like,
Speaker 1: I like his makeup as a prospect, Yeah in a bubble,
Speaker 1: I don't like him as your potential future left tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear. I think that's a step too far.
Speaker 3: So the the one thing I will say, though, this
Speaker 3: isn't to carry the water and defend them, but I
Speaker 3: think the one thing I will say is that based
Speaker 3: off of their actions, I do feel like they have
Speaker 3: so much confidence. And maybe it's not right to have
Speaker 3: this much confidence, but I think they have so much
Speaker 3: confidence in AVP scheming around tackle issues, and Scott Peter
Speaker 3: is coaching up tackles.
Speaker 1: They this a lot of this draft is they put
Speaker 1: on the coaching self. Yeah, it's a lot of.
Speaker 3: And I think that their thought process specifically with AVP
Speaker 3: is that they are going to be so play action, bootleg,
Speaker 3: move the pocket. Now they have this athletic quarterback, and
Speaker 3: Jacoby can do the same thing. Like if it's Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 3: he can also move around. You know, they have these
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that can move around, they can throw off platform,
Speaker 3: they can throw outside the pocket, and they have they
Speaker 3: don't necessarily need to expose their left tackle to thirty
Speaker 3: one on ones on an island like every single game.
Speaker 3: It's probably they are going to probably try to shrink
Speaker 3: the one on one exposures for their tackles in pass
Speaker 3: pro as much as they possibly can by staying ahead
Speaker 3: of the chains, by being really good on overdown early
Speaker 3: downs with explosives and not necessarily getting into a situation
Speaker 3: where you're dropping back and traditionally dropping back to past
Speaker 3: thirty five times a game. And maybe that that's the
Speaker 3: way that they look at it. And then I also think,
Speaker 3: you know, Scott Peters is one of those guys and
Speaker 3: we've seen some videos about him when they hired him
Speaker 3: and things like that. That is one of these technique
Speaker 3: gurus like he just he has a school with his
Speaker 3: father that's off to the side that coaches up prospects,
Speaker 3: you know, works with prospects in the offseason. Uh. He
Speaker 3: has a lot of that going on where he's like
Speaker 3: one of these private tutors as well. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I think they think that they they're going to be
Speaker 3: able to coach these guys up and coach around it.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about it a lot in the past.
Speaker 3: You can coach around one week link on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: I think that they look at this and they say,
Speaker 3: if left tackles a weak link, we will just try to,
Speaker 3: you know, do things to make it easier for that guy,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the case may be. And I can
Speaker 3: see how they feel like they could get that they
Speaker 3: could get away with it. I do so, but that.
Speaker 1: Kind of hinges on what happens at left guard, which
Speaker 1: brings us to Laydon Robinson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Leyden Robinson to me was the classic case
Speaker 3: of they got jumped for Troy Franklin by Denver and
Speaker 3: we're just gonna turn in the car with our best
Speaker 3: available player and they had the highest grade on a
Speaker 3: guy like Leyden Robinson, And as much as I hated it,
Speaker 3: and I hated it, when they made the pick, I
Speaker 3: was just like, not another guard. You've got to be kidding,
Speaker 3: especially there right, like, because it's just another guard in
Speaker 3: the fourth round, just like they drafted sixteen of them
Speaker 3: last year. I couldn't believe it. I was just they really.
Speaker 3: Day three was off to an awful start for me,
Speaker 3: and Javon Baker rescued the day like, if they didn't
Speaker 3: make the Javon Bak it felt like a lot like
Speaker 3: last year with Pop Douglas, Like if you didn't make
Speaker 3: that pick, I would have been like, oh god, like
Speaker 3: this has just not been a good day. Leyden Robinson,
Speaker 3: I think, was their highest graded player at the time.
Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily have a great grade on anybody that
Speaker 3: was at a position of need you know, another tackle,
Speaker 3: maybe double dip there or well.
Speaker 1: I also wonder some people thought coming into the draft
Speaker 1: that Leyden Robinson could play tackle just because of his length.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they were going to see them
Speaker 1: try him attack.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I think that his feet and his range
Speaker 3: is in a phone booth.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna work.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think he's got tackle feed at all.
Speaker 1: They're trying. They try everybody to tackle. It's kind of
Speaker 1: what they do now.
Speaker 3: Oh god. I think with Leyden Robinson it's one of
Speaker 3: those old adages and it's similar to what we're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about with Joe Milton when we get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: You don't go broke taking offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just don't.
Speaker 3: If you have beefing up the trenches if all else fails,
Speaker 3: if you don't have a great grade on a skill player,
Speaker 3: you don't have a great grade on a dB or
Speaker 3: something like that, you could you will never go wrong
Speaker 3: with taking linemen on either side of the ball if
Speaker 3: you have a If you really are convicted by a
Speaker 3: guy and you feel like Leyden Robinson has a starter
Speaker 3: grade for us and we're gonna this is gonna work
Speaker 3: out long term. You never go broke taking trenches.
Speaker 1: You just don't. See. That's just what killed it's like.
Speaker 1: But I look at it in SO sixty eight and
Speaker 1: one oh three, right, Ken Wallace and Lane Robinson? Yeah,
Speaker 1: could those have become a pick in the fifties?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And it's a fair point right, you wonder the potential
Speaker 1: left tackle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder if Again, I think Troy Franklin was
Speaker 3: their guy in the top of the fourth round, and
Speaker 3: so they were holding out hope they were gonna get
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin there. If you had told them in hindsight, hey,
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin's not going to be there for you at
Speaker 3: one o three, right, then they probably do package the
Speaker 3: pick and try.
Speaker 1: Realistically, you should not have expected Troy Franklin be there
Speaker 1: at one o three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little bit of a dice roll
Speaker 3: and it didn't work out. So that's a second guest
Speaker 3: for sure. I agree with you. You could have packed of
Speaker 3: Joe's pick. I think that they probably would have preferred
Speaker 3: to just dump the pick altogether, yeah, and move back. Uh,
Speaker 3: after Troy Franklin went off the board, and they didn't
Speaker 3: really it's just a guess. They didn't have any suitors,
Speaker 3: so they just took the best player.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised by that. But or maybe they just
Speaker 1: wanted too much for the pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think that, you know, they didn't
Speaker 3: make any extra picks, and I do think they wanted
Speaker 3: more picks. I believe Elliot Wolf when he said that
Speaker 3: he would have preferred to add more picks. I just
Speaker 3: don't think that they necessarily had the trade to make
Speaker 3: it happen, and I do. I actually really did like
Speaker 3: the pick swap with the Chargers. Yeah, because of the
Speaker 3: way the draft dropped off after the top like one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five players.
Speaker 1: Or so, right, they didn't need one. Every time I
Speaker 1: was doing a mock draft, one thirty seven was just
Speaker 1: an annoying pick. It was just in the middle of nowhere, right,
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with them given that up.
Speaker 1: But again, could they've given that up to maybe move
Speaker 1: up from thirty four? Yeah, I just ate, Well, I
Speaker 1: guess they couldn't.
Speaker 3: They probably tried to move up from thirty four with it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I really like that pick swap trade. Yeah. It
Speaker 3: was because they moved up twenty seven spots into a
Speaker 3: spot where now you're you're getting a top one hundred
Speaker 3: player in Javon Baker with that pick. If you look
Speaker 3: back at it's gonna be Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, Yeah,
Speaker 3: versus Lad McConkey and some dude i'd never heard of
Speaker 3: that the trial was drafted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kid from Maryland. Yeah, he's a corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like the Patriots side of that trade.
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, me too, So those are your alignment.
Speaker 3: I guess really quickly with Laden Robinson before we move on,
Speaker 3: what does this say about the guards that are already
Speaker 3: in the building?
Speaker 1: Nothing good?
Speaker 3: Nothing good?
Speaker 1: And in Cole Strange, we saw the pictures last week.
Speaker 1: Did he's still in the street clothes, so you wonder
Speaker 1: what his status is? And yeah, between him, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think City SO is probably safe because I think
Speaker 1: they you know, if Mike Winner is going to play tackle,
Speaker 1: but we could have a wide open competition at left
Speaker 1: guard come training camp.
Speaker 3: I would love that, you know me, I have no
Speaker 3: reason whatsoever to give that job to Cole Strange, Like
Speaker 3: there's no reason to have him sharpened into that spot,
Speaker 3: none whatsoever. I think that he is one hundred and
Speaker 3: ten percent competing for that job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it should be.
Speaker 3: I would actually think that City So is more entrenched
Speaker 3: at right guard at this point. Cole Straan, you know,
Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stay healthy, has been up and
Speaker 3: down when he has been out there, right I think
Speaker 3: he's competing for that spot. And if Laden Robinson's better
Speaker 3: than he is, then Laden Robinson should play. I think
Speaker 3: Mafi you saw a lot of the movement and range
Speaker 3: be a real concern last year. Is he a fine
Speaker 3: you know fourth lineman that you know is going to
Speaker 3: be an interior depth guy for his career. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I think he is an NFL player, but he
Speaker 3: is not. He's not a starter. I just don't see starter.
Speaker 3: And so between City Soo, Leyden Robinson Cole Strange, you
Speaker 3: need to have two of those guys turn out to
Speaker 3: be decent players and then you're all right. I think
Speaker 3: Jake Andrews' center, I think so. I think that's where
Speaker 3: they're at. But yeah, that was definitely one takeaway Laden
Speaker 3: Robinson was, you know, what's it say about the guards
Speaker 3: that they have in the building. And the other takeaway
Speaker 3: is this is a this is a classic patriot guard,
Speaker 3: like this is a in a phone booth, people mover
Speaker 3: downhill guard. I was actually surprised by that this is
Speaker 3: not a zone blocking guard in my opinion. Now, maybe
Speaker 3: they feel differently and they're more than the title to
Speaker 3: tell me I'm an idiot, but I don't necessarily see
Speaker 3: the lateral movement or the explosion out of his stance
Speaker 3: to be like a great you know, combo reach blocker
Speaker 3: and outside zone. So maybe they're gonna be a little
Speaker 3: bit more gap heavy than we thought. Maybe that's looking
Speaker 3: way too much into a fourth round pick and they
Speaker 3: dis liked the player and they'll figure it all out later.
Speaker 3: But it will be interesting to see if it's on
Speaker 3: WHENU so andrews Robinson and then whatever happens at left tackle,
Speaker 3: that's not exactly like a dynamic athletic zone blocking line,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not really filled with a bunch
Speaker 3: of guys that outside zone is a huge fit for.
Speaker 3: So maybe they become more of like a counter crack
Speaker 3: toss you know, that kind of downhill team or gap
Speaker 3: team which you can you know, run bootlegs and still
Speaker 3: move the pocket off of things like that. So be
Speaker 3: interesting to see how they they go about that, because
Speaker 3: it doesn't really seem like on paper that they have
Speaker 3: an outside zone offensive line. You know, you look at
Speaker 3: the Packers, you look at the Niners, you look at
Speaker 3: those teams in the in the Falcons like in the
Speaker 3: past when they've been in a really like a North
Speaker 3: Turner type offense. They draft these like you know, cold
Speaker 3: strangers like three hundred pounds, super athletic offensive linemen that
Speaker 3: are not big, that are not necessarily great anchors or
Speaker 3: people movers, but are very very good laterally. And the
Speaker 3: Patriot that's not Leyden Robinson. They did not draft a
Speaker 3: great lateral mover here, so it'd be interesting to see
Speaker 3: where they go. All right, here we go, keep going down.
Speaker 3: Dial came first, right, yep, before your boy Marcella's dial.
Speaker 1: I think that this is exactly you ready to spin
Speaker 1: the dial on defense seven?
Speaker 3: Well done. I think that this is exactly what we
Speaker 3: thought they might do in terms of targeting a day
Speaker 3: three corner. You target a day three corner with some traits,
Speaker 3: some speed, you know, mid four to four guy, some length,
Speaker 3: some good ball skills. Got his hands on a lot
Speaker 3: of passes, yeah, thirty one pass deflections I think it was,
Speaker 3: or pass breakups. This is a developmental outside corner that
Speaker 3: has might have some free safety flex to him as
Speaker 3: well if he fails at outside corner, and we can
Speaker 3: talk about why he might fail. I could see with
Speaker 3: his ball skills and the amount of you know, ballhowking
Speaker 3: instincts that he seems to have by getting his hand
Speaker 3: on thirty one passes in college. I could see him
Speaker 3: potentially moving to free safety at the league. And he's
Speaker 3: got that four four speed to have the range to
Speaker 3: do it as well, So I think there's some free
Speaker 3: safety ability there. But I think he starts a corner
Speaker 3: and they try to have him develop an outside corner.
Speaker 1: The big thing for me with him, very clean player,
Speaker 1: wasn't penalized a lot in college, and that's huge for them.
Speaker 1: That's huge. So you take out with that size, who
Speaker 1: has clean hands, who's not too grabby, and you coach
Speaker 1: him up from there. Maybe he does play some safety too.
Speaker 1: I think he's an ideal special teams fit, another high
Speaker 1: character guy. I think that was obviously a focus, so
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, though I nothing against dial like,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. But if you were
Speaker 1: to ask me if they you know, if you're telling
Speaker 1: me they're only going to pick one player on defense,
Speaker 1: what position? I would have thought defensive line at rusher
Speaker 1: because all of those guys, well, now Barmore is resigned,
Speaker 1: but you know, so it's Barmore, Keon White, Sam Roberts,
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings. That's it up front for guys signed beyond
Speaker 1: this year. Godshaw's an pending free agent. Equality is a
Speaker 1: pending free agent whom they signed what's his name from
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Armon wats Down a one year deal, like
Speaker 1: all those guys, even even Jeremiah Farm's on a one
Speaker 1: year contract. Like all these guys are pending free agents.
Speaker 1: So I thought they tried to get ahead of it
Speaker 1: and just add a body up front. I don't even
Speaker 1: they didn't even add a UDFA defensive lineman. They did
Speaker 1: add an edge rusher, Jet Bush, but that that was
Speaker 1: surprised and look good for them because they needed help
Speaker 1: in the secondary too. And if you're telling me, he
Speaker 1: just played corner, so it's a lot harder for me
Speaker 1: to project him as a free safety. But if you're
Speaker 1: telling me you think he can, he can play free safety.
Speaker 1: Like obviously, I was hammering the tables at for any
Speaker 1: great I was just a little surprised. I thought the
Speaker 1: defensive pick was gonna come up front.
Speaker 3: Me too, and I Gabe Davis, Gabe Murphy went undrafted, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is crazy. I mean, I know he's undersize, but
Speaker 3: that was crazy to me. I thought that somebody liked that,
Speaker 3: you know, chest piece up front. Rush in line, rush outside.
Speaker 3: Maybe take josh U Jay's position in a year from now.
Speaker 3: But I think one of the things that Gerardmeo said
Speaker 3: after the draft was that some of these second and
Speaker 3: third year players, they want to give those guys opportunities.
Speaker 3: And so I look up front a guy like Keon White.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Kean White. I never have
Speaker 3: loved Keon White in a two point stands up on
Speaker 3: his feet. I think he's too clunky for that. I
Speaker 3: think he's too heavy for But maybe Kean White comes
Speaker 3: in a little bit slimmer, comes in a little bit faster,
Speaker 3: more explosive, and he does play up up, you know,
Speaker 3: up on his feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that they were maybe a little cognizanto that
Speaker 3: that they didn't necessarily want to bury some of these
Speaker 3: guys from last year's draft or two drafts ago, or
Speaker 3: like a guy like you know, Alex Austin, you know,
Speaker 3: on the outside, right, Yeah, I think that they wanted
Speaker 3: some opportunities to let just go into camp and see
Speaker 3: what those guys have. But I'm with you, I thought
Speaker 3: it would be defensive line. The one thing about Dial
Speaker 3: is that he has, you know, good ball skills, good
Speaker 3: instincts with the football, you know, back to the to
Speaker 3: the quarterback to to read the football and read the
Speaker 3: cash point. He has this little hitch in his in
Speaker 3: his turn and run where you know when he flips
Speaker 3: and runs, he like has it almost is like he
Speaker 3: gets stuck in neutral for a second and then it
Speaker 3: opens up right and so fast, like really dynamic out
Speaker 3: side receivers like he's gonna see in the NFL, they're
Speaker 3: gonna eat it up when he does that, and he
Speaker 3: has a good recovery speed to maybe make up for it.
Speaker 3: But there's this is it's a weird thing. It's almost
Speaker 3: like he presses pause or like the controller brakes or
Speaker 3: something like that, and then he goes. And so if
Speaker 3: they can clean that up, you know, that's what Mike
Speaker 3: Pelgreeno is here for. And he's he's pretty good at
Speaker 3: developing they do.
Speaker 1: He dials the exact kind of corner that they've done
Speaker 1: a great job developing for years and years and years
Speaker 1: and turning into a player. So yeah, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not telling you he's automatically gonna be a hit, but
Speaker 1: I'm not running him off either. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: pick in the draft. I don't want it. Don't don't
Speaker 3: lie to me.
Speaker 1: I thought you're screwing with me. When he texted me,
Speaker 1: don't lie to me.
Speaker 3: I jumped out of my seat upstairs in the admin level,
Speaker 3: stared Admin Neil Perry in the eyes and said, you
Speaker 3: are effing kidding me?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? Literally?
Speaker 3: When he said out loud, Joe Milton the third, I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe it. There was two picks that maybe got
Speaker 3: me out of my seat. Javon Baker was pumped about
Speaker 3: that pick, especially after the guard, like, God, shoot me right,
Speaker 3: and then they make the Javon Baker pick it. That's
Speaker 3: not against Leyden Robinson, by the way, it's just the
Speaker 3: pos position. Yeah, and then they make the Javon Baker pick.
Speaker 3: I got probably a little bit too excited about that.
Speaker 3: Not gonna lie. And then they go Joe Milton the
Speaker 3: third and I was my jaw was on the floor.
Speaker 3: I was I So, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they do it because I thought if
Speaker 1: they after Joe Milton was going to have to be
Speaker 1: at one thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought one of these, you know, next year quarterback teams,
Speaker 1: the Giants, the Raiders, the Saints, and the Saints did
Speaker 1: end up taking a quarterback. They took Spencer Rattler. I
Speaker 1: thought one of these teams was going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we may need a quarterback anyway next year, so let
Speaker 1: this guy's got a ton of traits. Let's bring him
Speaker 1: in and see and maybe we save ourselves having going
Speaker 1: to the carousel next year. And I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason he fell is just quarterbacks as a whole.
Speaker 1: How many times did I say during the pre draft process,
Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks, either take him first to take him last.
Speaker 3: That's what this draft was.
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the new NFL philosophy.
Speaker 1: The day two quarterback is kind of unnecessary.
Speaker 3: There was a huge gap between bow.
Speaker 1: Knicks' it was the biggest in NFL history and Spencer
Speaker 1: rattling right it was it's like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: something picks. It's the biggest in NFL history. And I
Speaker 1: think that's going to become the new norm. I think
Speaker 1: the guys that are day two fringe picks are just
Speaker 1: going to start going in the first round because teams
Speaker 1: don't have the stomach to wait on him. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what happen with Bo Nicks. If you read Albert Brier
Speaker 1: yesterday and then you know, so all right, all the
Speaker 1: day two quarterbacks are going on Day one, and that
Speaker 1: just leaves you with Day three. So I thought the
Speaker 1: Patriot's gonna have to take Joe Milton at one thirty seven,
Speaker 1: which I just thought, with all their other needs, was
Speaker 1: too much. It was too much. I would not have
Speaker 1: liked to pick at one thirty seven at one ninety three.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the six and seventh round of
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Most of the time, like sometimes you're
Speaker 1: looking for specialists or maybe guys fall because like Kishon
Speaker 1: Booty last year was like this really unique situation. But
Speaker 1: most of the time, on Day three, you're drafting individual traits.
Speaker 1: You're not drafting a player and saying, we like this
Speaker 1: player's full makeup. It's this guy does this one thing
Speaker 1: at an incredibly high level and maybe the rest of
Speaker 1: his game isn't what it needs to be, but we
Speaker 1: want to see if we can find a way to
Speaker 1: use this one thing and make it great. That's usually
Speaker 1: what you're drafting late on Day three. And I would argue,
Speaker 1: of the individual traits in this draft, if Joe Milton's
Speaker 1: arm strength isn't number one, it's in the top three.
Speaker 1: I think the three most impressive physical traits in this
Speaker 1: draft outright are to and Andre Sweat's size and power.
Speaker 1: Like that's one thing, right, that big, that powerful, Xavier
Speaker 1: Worthy speed. Yeah, in Joe Milton's arm, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a single trait in the draft that's more that
Speaker 1: you know that's the top tier. If rank them how
Speaker 1: you want, I think honestly i'd put Sweat and then
Speaker 1: Milton and then Worthy. That's how i'd rank them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you weren't getting Tovandre Sweat at one ninety three.
Speaker 1: You weren't getting Xavier Worthy at one ninety three. So
Speaker 1: with Joe Milton, like, yeah, sign me up for the trade.
Speaker 1: I don't see the downside here. It's one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety third pick. If you want to wet your pants
Speaker 1: over the one hundred and ninety third pick, I guess
Speaker 1: go for it. Have fun.
Speaker 3: This is That is one of my pet peeves about
Speaker 3: the draft. And I've been trying to be better about
Speaker 3: this and not pick on on on our listeners who
Speaker 3: are awesome or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, but our listeners are smarter.
Speaker 3: But one of the one of my biggest nitpicks are
Speaker 3: pet pees oft the draft is people that get upset
Speaker 3: over six and seve and round picks. Right, guys, these
Speaker 3: are these are the lottery tickets of lottery.
Speaker 1: Unless it's a guy where like you object, you know,
Speaker 1: if if there's something you're like, oh, this guy will
Speaker 1: be bad for the team. Usually that's off the fields,
Speaker 1: right Joe Milton. Joe Milton is like the man, Yeah
Speaker 1: Joe Milton. Everybody you talked to, no, but but you listened.
Speaker 3: Like my my favorite was the combin just because.
Speaker 1: Throat he turns around, he's not even looking I know
Speaker 1: it's it's he's so cool. So and he all said
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't like the Bazuka Joe nickname.
Speaker 3: Too bad.
Speaker 1: No, no, I respect another.
Speaker 3: If he has another one, I'll call him.
Speaker 1: I gotta find it. I think it was like mister
Speaker 1: Rocket or something.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we should like get that because I I
Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com. I should not be writing Bazuka Joe
Speaker 3: if he doesn't like Bazuka Joe.
Speaker 1: So, uh, we'll come up with We'll find it. Our
Speaker 1: friend Zach you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Zach.
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce his last name, but he you know,
Speaker 1: he's started covering the Patriots this year. He he he
Speaker 1: interviewed Joe Milton Combine and first off came across great
Speaker 1: and all. He also said Bazuka Joe's not his favorite
Speaker 1: nickname because he I'll try to find it. But so,
Speaker 1: here's the thing with the pick. Is Joe Milton going
Speaker 1: to Kirk Cousins Drake May I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's acting way more tame inside you were
Speaker 3: you were way more excited than this. Yeah, admitt it.
Speaker 1: I got more calls and texts after they picked you. You
Speaker 1: got drafted. It felt like I got you got drafted.
Speaker 1: It really was insane, Like I'm trying to write the
Speaker 1: thing and my phone wouldn't stop because I heard more
Speaker 1: people after they picked Joe Milton than I heard from
Speaker 1: on my birthday. I'm not kidding, I'm not It's not
Speaker 1: a joke. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: So I remember to issue a happy birthday this year.
Speaker 1: You did. Yeah, this here by the way I found it.
Speaker 1: So Joe Milton, Joe Milton. This is from Zach Ventola
Speaker 1: at any Patriots Ay on Twitter, interviewed Joe Milton at
Speaker 1: Sea Bowl. It's a terrible name. A Bazuka can only
Speaker 1: go so far. And he he likes miss to rocket
Speaker 1: mister Rockett.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, maybe Rocket.
Speaker 1: Shoe, maybe Joe Rockett. Uh maybe so anyway, so here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing with the pick back to
Speaker 1: the player, back to the player. But I want to
Speaker 1: make sure, all right, when we're talking about mister Rocket.
Speaker 3: He I'm sorry that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, So, yeah, is he gonna Kirk Cousins strike?
Speaker 1: May probably not, But there's a couple of ways you
Speaker 1: can go here, Like he's gonna tear it up in
Speaker 1: the preseason yep, because he was good enough last year
Speaker 1: at Tennessee and when you get into the second half
Speaker 1: of these preseason games, it's basically the guys he was
Speaker 1: playing at Tennessee. Like it's called like football.
Speaker 3: A better version of Elie Cunningham, and that's it.
Speaker 1: It's good. There's gonna be a lot. He was a
Speaker 1: year too early because if he was in the Elie
Speaker 1: Cunningham role last year, yeah, oh boy, that would have
Speaker 1: gotten ye. But you know, he's gonna tear it up.
Speaker 1: I think there's a potential for him to be a
Speaker 1: package player. He's not gonna play tight end. He was
Speaker 1: very definitive about that. I don't think which he shouldn't.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't know, and everybody's like, oh, big guy, I
Speaker 1: don't know that he can play tight end because one
Speaker 1: of the big issues with him at quarterbacks is his footwork.
Speaker 1: How's he going to run routes? And he's fast. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he's fast enough to separate. He's more
Speaker 1: The reason he's an effective runner is because he's sixty
Speaker 1: five two hundred and thirty five pounds. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: gets the outside against corners who have no shot to
Speaker 1: tackle him. So he's a quarterback and good for him
Speaker 1: for one to stick there and all that. But when
Speaker 1: I say package player, this is actually a So I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say Taysom Hill because that's not But when
Speaker 1: Jacoby Burssett was in Indy with Andrew Luck, do you
Speaker 1: remember this, They would use Jacoby Brissett for Hail Mary's
Speaker 1: quarterback sneaks and they had one sort of designed read
Speaker 1: option package for him on offense that role for Joe
Speaker 1: because and look, can can Drake may throw him Mary's. Yes,
Speaker 1: he has a big arm, but it's not his big
Speaker 1: as Joe Miltons. Can Drake may run with the football? Yes,
Speaker 1: but if you need short yardage, why have your third
Speaker 1: overall pick take the beating When you can throw Joe Million,
Speaker 1: who's bigger and more powerful of a runner, you can
Speaker 1: put him out there and let him go be a
Speaker 1: move and then maybe you have some other pet you
Speaker 1: have basically the Malie Cunningham package where it's mainly read
Speaker 1: option and there's a couple options for him to throw
Speaker 1: off of it. Yeah, like that could be a valuable
Speaker 1: role and who knows, maybe, like everybody rode off and
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the Taysom Hill comp because
Speaker 1: again I don't think Joe Milton's gonna play tight end,
Speaker 1: nor should he. But remember when there were teams that
Speaker 1: were willingly give up like a second round pick for
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill off of that weird package they were doing.
Speaker 3: So that's an interesting.
Speaker 1: So can you develop Joe Milton enough he got trade value?
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a second round pick for him,
Speaker 1: I don't think, because he's just older, Like he's too
Speaker 1: old for that. But if you draft Joe Milton in
Speaker 1: the sixth round in two years, you trade him for
Speaker 1: a fourth, it did pretty well. So there's a number.
Speaker 1: In worst case scenario, he doesn't make the team the
Speaker 1: way most six round picks don't, and we get a
Speaker 1: fun preseason. This will be the most exciting preseason in
Speaker 1: Patriots history. I've said that, But you know, worst case
Speaker 1: scenario doesn't make the team. We got, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of fun preseason games out of it, whatever, so
Speaker 1: be it. So I obviously like to pick that, And
Speaker 1: that's that's my thought.
Speaker 3: That that picked up momentum like I wanted it to
Speaker 3: there at the end. At first, you were trying to
Speaker 3: like the lines. Yes, if if you need somebody to
Speaker 3: throw out five yards, he'll throw it eighty.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows the lines. But yeah, I know, now he's here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give my football take on No.
Speaker 3: I no, no, I didn't mean it like that. I
Speaker 3: just meant like, I know you're you at first were
Speaker 3: trying to be not excited about the pick, and then
Speaker 3: and then you picked up the.
Speaker 1: Moment I'm excited, and then I just what do you
Speaker 1: want me? I can't do a backflot. If I could
Speaker 1: do a backflip and I do it right, but I can't.
Speaker 3: So so here are my thoughts on the pick. First
Speaker 3: of all, I watched the tape that I watched of
Speaker 3: his I watched too. I watched Alabama and I watched Vanderbilt,
Speaker 3: which was his best game vander I know Vanderbilt stings,
Speaker 3: but he lit it up. He threw like four touchdowns,
Speaker 3: like three hundred plus yards in that game. So I
Speaker 3: just watched it to see what what it looked like
Speaker 3: at its peak. But against Alabama, he threw a touchdown
Speaker 3: pass against Alabama, Oh that was about like forty five
Speaker 3: yards in the air. And uh when I say rocket launcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, did you watch the Kentucky game? No,
Speaker 1: not yet? Watch more. Okay, I only watched a couple
Speaker 1: before the Kentucky game. Is the quint essential Joe Milton,
Speaker 1: Like I've been down it's it's just so it's funny
Speaker 1: the when when they drafted him and I saw somebody
Speaker 1: put out like a highlight reel of Joe Milton. The
Speaker 1: first play is an incompletion, but he throws the ball
Speaker 1: seventy six yards off his back foot on a dot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's an incompletion, but it doesn't matter. And that's
Speaker 1: Joe Milton. It's the Joe Milton experience, and it's in
Speaker 1: its essence. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what stood out about the throw against Alabama,
Speaker 3: which I'm sure you remember. Yeah, the biggest thing I
Speaker 3: think that stood out about one the touchdown of the
Speaker 3: pylon right yeah, yeah, like down the left sideline and
Speaker 3: the receiver had to like reach.
Speaker 1: Out for it a little. I think that's score a white.
Speaker 3: I think that the biggest thing that stood out to
Speaker 3: me was that this thing was on a line, Like
Speaker 3: it's not like this thing is like it's is he
Speaker 3: he can throw the tear drop right, but he's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, people needn't understand that. It's not just oh
Speaker 1: he throws the ball far, No, he hes the ball
Speaker 1: through the door. Do you remember the old Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: sprint commercially? Yeah, you know, if you're like six ft five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pound quarterbacks, laser rocket arm, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can throw the ball on a line fifty
Speaker 3: yards in the air.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It is an absolute rocket launcher. And I think the
Speaker 3: one thing that I was even mostly impressed with is
Speaker 3: that usually when you have these six foot five hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty eight pound quarterbacks with rocket arms, it's this
Speaker 3: long wind up thing right, Like he gets it out quick. No,
Speaker 3: that's he's got a snappy release. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough. The thing that's so much
Speaker 1: fun about Joe Milton, that's so exciting about Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Yeah, like most of what he does,
Speaker 1: he's the only quarterback on the planet that can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not really supposed to be able to off your
Speaker 1: front foot half release on a clothesline fifty five yards. Now, Again,
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to control it. And that's why
Speaker 1: he was a SI round picking on a first round
Speaker 1: pick because he can't always control it. But some of
Speaker 1: the throws he makes are truly one of one. They
Speaker 1: were just in college in the NFL. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: find anybody else who can do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I it's a rocket launcher. It's not this
Speaker 3: that we're not talking about, like teardrop bombs. We're talking
Speaker 3: about there's smoke on the ball, right, it's a rocket launcher.
Speaker 3: I was really I don't know if you sorry to
Speaker 3: cut you off again.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this story. His receivers
Speaker 1: at Tennessee would wear two pairs of gloves because they
Speaker 1: were worried, I would their fingers being broken.
Speaker 3: I would not want to catch that ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was really impressed with his actual mechanics in terms
Speaker 3: of his throwing. Yeah, in terms of like rotating on
Speaker 3: the axis and in getting the ball out quickly in
Speaker 3: that compact release. The way that he throws the ball
Speaker 3: mechanically is actually not all that far off from Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3: He just has a And I say that because Jade
Speaker 3: Daniels I think had probably the clean his mechanics in
Speaker 3: the draft is Himmer McCarthy. Yeah, so really really clean.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about footwork. I'm talking about actual
Speaker 3: mechanical chain of your body, you know, hips, shoulders rotating
Speaker 3: on that axis, a compact release. I was really impressed
Speaker 3: with all that. His footwork is very inconsistent, Like sometimes
Speaker 3: he's got this, he's really light on his feet and
Speaker 3: he dances around pressure and he steps into throws and
Speaker 3: things like that, and other times it looks like he's
Speaker 3: stuck in mud.
Speaker 1: Right, it's odd. But even when that happens, sometimes it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he doesn't put his feet into the
Speaker 1: throw and he still throws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but where it does matter is with his accuracy, right,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's he's gonna spray the ball over
Speaker 3: the place and his decision making can he can lose
Speaker 3: the radar can shut off.
Speaker 1: Well, now, what you make of him saying that his
Speaker 1: favorite quarterback to watch is Brock Party.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I could not see a more polar opposite quarterback.
Speaker 1: I like that because he said he goes Brock Purty
Speaker 1: is really good footwork. Yeah, and that's why he watches
Speaker 1: Brock Party because he wants to improve his footwork. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's real self awareness. Like, good for him.
Speaker 3: I've said multiple times with Joe Milton, he's Day three, Anthony.
Speaker 3: Anthony richards said, well, no, he's Day three.
Speaker 1: Drake May.
Speaker 3: I I don't think so, No, No, I think Drake
Speaker 3: May is more naturally like instinctually a football player. I
Speaker 3: think Joe Milton is toolsy and he can run too.
Speaker 3: We should you know four six speak Yeah, Yeah, good runner,
Speaker 3: especially scrambling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like you can't let him out of the pocket
Speaker 1: because he will kill you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Day three Anthony Richardson. You know, and and at
Speaker 3: this point in the draft, Howie Roseman was doing a
Speaker 3: press conference and I thought that he gave one of
Speaker 3: the best answers I've heard about what Day three of
Speaker 3: the draft is all about. And it was exactly what
Speaker 3: you said just a minute ago. At Day three, you're
Speaker 3: drafting a trait. Yeah, and it better be special if
Speaker 3: you think that that guy's going to pan out in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You're the guys that have sixteen different positives on their
Speaker 3: scouting reporter gone. So you're looking for one thing that
Speaker 3: separates this player from that player. And with Joe Milton,
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. The arm talent is different
Speaker 3: than anybody else, and so you're taking a chance on
Speaker 3: the arm talent, and maybe AVP and Ben mcaduw behind
Speaker 3: the scenes can get him coached up. I think the
Speaker 3: biggest thing is is that, like you mentioned, best case scenario,
Speaker 3: he's Kirk Cousins, right, And I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 3: what we want to happen. I'm just saying if it
Speaker 3: does happen, it does happen. Worst case scenario, he doesn't
Speaker 3: make the team. Middle scenario, hangs out around here for
Speaker 3: a year or two, develops lights it up in the preseason,
Speaker 3: and maybe he has some trade value down the load,
Speaker 3: down the road. With all that being said, I think
Speaker 3: we have to be a little bit fair and not hypocritical.
Speaker 3: I don't love it for Drake May.
Speaker 1: I do like how he's handling it.
Speaker 3: I like how he's handling it. But we talked about
Speaker 3: this all the time with Mac Jones. It's a little
Speaker 3: bit of mind games out of the gate because let's
Speaker 3: face it, in shorts and a T shirt come into
Speaker 3: May early June when we go out there for mini camp,
Speaker 3: Joe Milton is gonna look just as impressive and shorts
Speaker 3: and a T shirt as Drake May, if not more.
Speaker 3: And my concern is not us, not the people here,
Speaker 3: not the people listening, because they're educated. My my, my
Speaker 3: concern is that we're gonna get reports and we're gonna
Speaker 3: get buzz that Joe Milton looks better than Drake May.
Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say to that. I and how
Speaker 1: do I don't disagree?
Speaker 3: How does Drake May handle that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: We were very hypocritical, and I think Drake, if Drake
Speaker 1: May can't handle it, he's not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: handle this league.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 1: So there's that side of it. This is this is
Speaker 1: the packaway. They're gonna draft a quarterback every year, every
Speaker 1: other year. This is what they're gonna need to do.
Speaker 1: He's got to get used to it. So in that sense,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's pushing buttons too much. If they
Speaker 1: start fooling around with the depth chart and they start
Speaker 1: being unclear about who's playing and things like that, then yes,
Speaker 1: then it's too much. For now. We want Drake May
Speaker 1: to be in this league for twenty years, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to draft other quarterbacks over the
Speaker 1: next twenty years. That's just it's gonna there's no number.
Speaker 3: But if Tom Brady can get insecure Let's face it,
Speaker 3: that's what he was insecure about Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: But what did he do with it? That was that
Speaker 1: was the goat.
Speaker 3: But that's so that he was already well established into
Speaker 3: his career.
Speaker 1: Let's see if Drake may can use it to fuel him.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. You're right, we shouldn't be hypocritical.
Speaker 1: And we said they pushed the buttons too much with
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy and mac Jones, and that's a fair point.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're gonna draft quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: I don't love it for that reason.
Speaker 1: If if this is it what.
Speaker 3: I like Joe Milton, Yeah, I don't love the pick.
Speaker 1: If what Joe Milden in the sixth round is enough
Speaker 1: to ruin Drake Man, he was probably not gonna make
Speaker 1: it to me. And I think he's mentally tougher in that.
Speaker 3: But we always say this, why why like why even
Speaker 3: why even put that out?
Speaker 1: Because their philosophy they always draft. They are in draft
Speaker 1: quarterback next year or the year after. This is what
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 3: And it's also the Packer way too right, That's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. So just he's got to get used
Speaker 1: to it. If he can't handle just this. That's more
Speaker 1: of a red flag about Drake May than is about
Speaker 1: to front.
Speaker 3: Ye, I hear you. But we always said with Mac
Speaker 3: that you're testing him just to test them.
Speaker 1: Well, that was to another level drafting Bay. I when
Speaker 1: they drafted Bailey's Appy, I liked it. I did. I said,
Speaker 1: this is good. They need a long term backup. Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer is on the older side Bailey. Remember my comport
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy the whole time was Chase Daniel. This guy's
Speaker 1: gonna be in the league for fifteen years and he'll
Speaker 1: maybe throw a total of one hundred passes. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's who I thought, And you need that guy. You
Speaker 1: need a good backup quarterback. That's important. If you know
Speaker 1: they start pulling Drake May out of games, and I
Speaker 1: don't mean like in a package sense, I mean if
Speaker 1: they start benching Drake May for Joe Milton after one
Speaker 1: interception coming off injury, then yeah, I'll say it's too much.
Speaker 1: If if Mayo refuses to say Drake May's name and
Speaker 1: only talks about Joe Milton, then yeah, I'll say it's
Speaker 1: too much because it will be too much.
Speaker 3: But we both know, I we both know that it
Speaker 3: happened with Maleik Cunningham. Yes, we both know that there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a section of people that are going to
Speaker 3: sit there and always say they should try out Joe Milton,
Speaker 3: they should.
Speaker 1: Try it, and it's absolutely gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And thus Drake May is justin Herbert right out of
Speaker 3: the gate is just awesome. But Evan, that's always gonna
Speaker 3: be they.
Speaker 1: Didn't draft Joe Milton, there were gonna be people saying
Speaker 1: that about Bailey's appy. Oh no, come on, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some people saying it. As soon as they draft.
Speaker 3: As soon as people here see Drake May throw football,
Speaker 3: they're gonna forget all about Bailey's appy, right, And Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that because Joe Milton's gonna throw
Speaker 3: the football just as pretty.
Speaker 1: Look I'm being I'm you're right, we should be intellectually consistent.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was fine when they drafted Bailey Zappy
Speaker 1: a year after, and it's a little different at the
Speaker 1: same draft, but drafting Bailey Zappy after Mac Jones at
Speaker 1: the time made a ton of sense because they needed
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Jacoby Rissett's not here beyond this year
Speaker 1: they needed a backup quarterback. Joe Milton stylistically is similar
Speaker 1: to Drake May. That makes him a good backup quarterback
Speaker 1: for Drake May because they can run the same offense.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't go any further than that, it's a
Speaker 1: good pick. If they start screwing around with the dynamic,
Speaker 1: then yes, that's gonna be a problem, just like it
Speaker 1: was before.
Speaker 3: The outside of this is gonna screw where I went.
Speaker 3: It's that, and I agree with you, and I feel
Speaker 3: like people are gonna geah, oh he should be tough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he should be mentally tougher than that. There's no doubt
Speaker 3: about it that he should be mentally tougher than that.
Speaker 3: But he was the He was the guy for like
Speaker 3: twelve hours. I already have people in my mentions talking
Speaker 3: about Joe Milton like being like, oh, you mean Joe Milton, right, Like, no.
Speaker 1: No, just Drake May is the guy. Wait till they
Speaker 1: get out and Drake May starts throwing the football, I hope.
Speaker 3: So I'm just telling you that I would have preferred
Speaker 3: if they had drafted Joe Milton next year like they
Speaker 3: drafted Bailey's a Happy next year. I would have been
Speaker 3: all fine with it. So let me ask I would
Speaker 3: have felt we could could we just have Drake May
Speaker 3: with a clean slate and just give him the quarterback
Speaker 3: room behind Jacoby Brissett, who we all know why Jacoby
Speaker 3: Brissett is here. Jacoby Brissett knows why he's here, and
Speaker 3: it's just a clean transition we don't need.
Speaker 1: Okay, first off, we don't even know Joe Mills. Second well,
Speaker 1: how would you felt if they drafted like Michael Pratt
Speaker 1: less as worried?
Speaker 3: Because my concern is is that it is really easy
Speaker 3: to get caught up in Joe Milton's physical trade. The right,
Speaker 3: the arm, and the and the mobility are.
Speaker 1: Legit, but so they are for Drake May too. I know.
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you that, like I keep saying,
Speaker 3: when we get out there for OTAs and we get
Speaker 3: out there for mini camp and it's shorts and a
Speaker 3: T shirt and it's and it's glorified seven on seven
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. And on top of all
Speaker 3: of that, Joe Milton was in the college football for
Speaker 3: six years.
Speaker 1: He's much older. You might you might think higher of
Speaker 1: Joe Milton than I do.
Speaker 3: It's not about how high I think of Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that there's a world where Joe
Speaker 3: Milton and Drake May in Spring Mini Camp, Yeah, look
Speaker 3: about the same, Just like there was a world where
Speaker 3: Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy at different points it looked
Speaker 3: about the same. And just like with them, we said
Speaker 3: this is unnecessary. Now I'm with you, they took it
Speaker 3: to a whole other level and hopefully this regime doesn't.
Speaker 1: Right but I think so far, so far, it's I
Speaker 1: just know this usual. If they take it further than yes,
Speaker 1: it's an issue like it was with Mac and j.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to put anybody down in front
Speaker 3: some people, but I just know that there are gonna
Speaker 3: be some casual observers out there that aren't going to
Speaker 3: know the difference.
Speaker 1: That's our job to educate them. That's just like we
Speaker 1: tried to do with Mac Jones and Bailey's Appy.
Speaker 3: All right, seventh round and then we'll open it up
Speaker 3: to end the show to the couple calls and emails
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Seventh round.
Speaker 3: Jahem Bell, don't sleep on Jahem Bell.
Speaker 1: No pound for pound, like in terms of where they
Speaker 1: drafted him. All of that, I think jahem Bell's there bo.
Speaker 1: I mean Drake May's Drake May, right, but yeah, after
Speaker 1: Drake may chaheen Bell, all things considered, might be their
Speaker 1: best pick. He's one of them. Yeah, good pick. I
Speaker 1: had him. I had him as like a top one
Speaker 1: twenty guy. Yeah, and they got him at two thirty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great value where they got him a clear role
Speaker 3: in an Alex Van Pelt offense and then in a
Speaker 3: you know, zone misdirection heavy offense, a clear role there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I see, you know, I did leak.
Speaker 1: He's that motion tight end. Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that can come underneath the formation and
Speaker 3: hit the flat and hit it with speed and then
Speaker 3: run after the catch with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 3: If he's got you know, a runway there in some
Speaker 3: open space, he can run the scene. He can run
Speaker 3: crossing routes. He's just not quicker, agile at the top
Speaker 3: of the route. Like if you're asking him to break
Speaker 3: down at the top of the route and beat Travis
Speaker 3: Kelcey and get open, that's not his game. But if
Speaker 3: you're just gonna set up ways for him to run
Speaker 3: four six across the field this way and run across
Speaker 3: the field that way and run up to see him
Speaker 3: here and that kind of stuff. I think Jacin Bell
Speaker 3: has a role on this team, Like there's a clear
Speaker 3: role of how they could use him as like an
Speaker 3: I want to call him my h back, a move
Speaker 3: tight end, off the line, tight end, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to play, fall back, Yeah, maybe a little bit of
Speaker 3: full back. I think there's a clear role for him
Speaker 3: on this team. I'm and I think you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a little bit excited about what they could potentially do
Speaker 3: with this guy. His catch and run skill is legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his again you're drafting on trade like his
Speaker 1: ability to to to make a play with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands, that's what you're taking. I think part
Speaker 1: of the reason he fell, honestly, his teams didn't know
Speaker 1: what position he played. Yeah, he's such a tweeterer.
Speaker 3: That well, because he's because of his size, his size,
Speaker 3: he's and.
Speaker 1: He didn't he very has to combine either.
Speaker 3: He ran like a four to six one, which is
Speaker 3: good for a tight end.
Speaker 1: And the way the tight ends ran this year, he
Speaker 1: was like you had you had Tip Raymond running a
Speaker 1: four or five. Yeah. By the way, Tip Raymond top
Speaker 1: one hundred pick smash mouth football not dead. Don't let
Speaker 1: anybody tell you otherwise.
Speaker 3: That was one of the bigger reaches.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. The tip Raymond going one hundred picks
Speaker 1: before Troy Franklin loved like fifty picks before. Troy Franklin
Speaker 1: loved that. But you loved that.
Speaker 3: This is not a reach. This is the opposite.
Speaker 1: No, this is the opposite of reach. I think part
Speaker 1: of the reason he fell is is you're not gonna
Speaker 1: draft Jaheim Bell and plug him into a role that
Speaker 1: already exists in your offense, because outside of maybe Atlanta,
Speaker 1: I don't think any teams have that role in their offense.
Speaker 1: Like people want to compare Jaime Bell to Kyle Hughescheck,
Speaker 1: he's not Kyle Ucheck, that's not who he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that his role exists. But for the
Speaker 1: Patriots it's a unique opportunity where they're building their offense
Speaker 1: from scratch, so you can put in a role for
Speaker 1: Jaheem Bell and you can kind of build up around him.
Speaker 3: I think in this type of scheme, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to how much did the Browns us a
Speaker 1: fallback last year? Uh?
Speaker 3: They used it like an eligible offensive lineman is out
Speaker 3: they did. It was like he was like a center
Speaker 3: slash full back, is what they had them listed as.
Speaker 3: I think in this so he's six two two forty one,
Speaker 3: which for a tight end is extremely undersized. But his
Speaker 3: testing numbers are good. Uh he ran a uh he
Speaker 3: ran a four to six one, which is eighty eight
Speaker 3: percent dile for the forty yard dash. Uh, thirty five
Speaker 3: inch vertical seventy two percent.
Speaker 1: Maybe something into the seats. Did he not have a
Speaker 1: good senior Bowl? He had something that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I can look up
Speaker 3: his his RAS scorer. He's an athletic guy. There's no
Speaker 3: doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, I think he tested. I
Speaker 1: think he's a better athlete than he tested.
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean that's pretty good testing numbers.
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, it is all right, well even better
Speaker 1: even better.
Speaker 3: Look I eight point four y five ris because of
Speaker 3: his size, obviously, that's gonna elite speed in great explosiveness,
Speaker 3: great like good find and he can you know, there's
Speaker 3: absolutely a role for him because he's not super. He
Speaker 3: doesn't overlap with Hunter Henry or Austin Hooper. There's different
Speaker 3: things he can do. He can make plays with the
Speaker 3: ball in his hands. I thought that was a tremendous pick.
Speaker 1: I was great. I couldn't believe he was still on
Speaker 1: the board at that point. A double check.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when they when they signed John new Smith
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so this is another one. Sorry. Remember how
Speaker 1: I said, like, all right, you know Devonte Parker or
Speaker 1: Jayvon Baker kind of replaces Devonte Parker, Jalen Pole kind
Speaker 1: of replaces Jujus Smith, Schuster obviously not Lee not Apples
Speaker 1: to Apples player tight, but Leighton Robinson, Cole Strange, Drake May,
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Yeah, this is another one. Jahem Bell, John
Speaker 1: new Smith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so John new Smith in twenty twenty one. He's
Speaker 3: just not a fit for like a Josh McDaniel's type offense. No,
Speaker 3: he couldn't figure out the scheme touchgoyns.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now in this type of offense where you're hitting the
Speaker 3: defense with so much eye candy and misdirection, Yeah, where
Speaker 3: it's you know, look, we're gonna everybody's gonna move to
Speaker 3: the left, but then we're gonna bootleg and we're gonna
Speaker 3: actually hit the point of attack to the right. Things
Speaker 3: like that you create this this horizontal stretch to the field.
Speaker 3: That's the whole idea, right, is to stretch out the
Speaker 3: defense horizontally. And when you have these guys that are
Speaker 3: like Jaane Bell that are two forty and run a
Speaker 3: four to six to one, and you know, you stink
Speaker 3: them out the backside of the formation and now there
Speaker 3: should be green grass in front of them with the
Speaker 3: ball in their hands, and he's one of those guys
Speaker 3: that can eat up the green grass. That's the idea.
Speaker 3: That's again, it's similar to the receiver picks that they
Speaker 3: made earlier in the draft. There's a role and there's
Speaker 3: like a projection of how this guy fits the offense.
Speaker 3: So what I look at and say about this draft
Speaker 3: a lot on the offensive side of the ball. I
Speaker 3: think the quarterback has to be like a top down
Speaker 3: organizational decision. Yeah, but when you look at some of
Speaker 3: these other players Baker, Jahan Bell, I think it tells
Speaker 3: you how much influenced Alx van Pelt and Ben mcadeu
Speaker 3: had in this draft of like this is how we're
Speaker 3: gonna this is what we're doing offensively, Like this is
Speaker 3: our scheme offensively, this is what we're building the playbook
Speaker 3: out of this. These are the types of skill sets
Speaker 3: that we need. And I think that that tipped the
Speaker 3: scales in a lot of these cases towards a Jalen Polk,
Speaker 3: towards the Javon Baker, towards the Jaem Bell, because those
Speaker 3: players do abc better than the guy that maybe we
Speaker 3: all had rated a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: Again, it's that it's that old belichickism, right, It's not
Speaker 1: about collecting talent, it's about building a team.
Speaker 3: All right, there's the draft.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 3: With time to spare. Let's answer some emails and some calls,
Speaker 3: and then you can give me your favorite UDFA. All right, Right,
Speaker 3: Todd is in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Todd?
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, just a quick thing that I'm a little
Speaker 2: concerned about with and just didn't seem all that comfortable
Speaker 2: or effective last year. He was on skates and more
Speaker 2: than a few times. And I know a young quarterbile
Speaker 2: even though veteran quarterback does not like to get pressure
Speaker 2: up the middle. Are you guys concerned it all with
Speaker 2: him a center? And do we have anybody to back
Speaker 2: him up at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Andrews, you're talking about right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a fair question, Todd, thanks for the call. Appreciated
Speaker 3: as always. David Andrews in pass protection took a step
Speaker 3: back last year. There's no doubt about that. Now, the
Speaker 3: question is was he making up for so much what
Speaker 3: was going on at guard on to his left and
Speaker 3: his right that he was just you know, there's just
Speaker 3: too much to cover up. That's definitely possible. You know,
Speaker 3: your the offensive line is a five man unit. It's
Speaker 3: as good as the person next to you. If they're
Speaker 3: better at left guard and better at right guard this
Speaker 3: season next to David Andrews, does he have a much
Speaker 3: better year in pass protection? I think that's definitely possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: With that being said, it's on my radar of is
Speaker 3: it start run blocking wise? He was still really good
Speaker 3: pass pro wise, he took a step back. Is he's
Speaker 3: starting to slip a little bit? It's potentially there. We
Speaker 3: mentioned him earlier in the show. They clearly drafted Jake
Speaker 3: Andrews as a long term center replacement for David Andrews.
Speaker 3: So do they have somebody in the building on paper? Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jake Andrews can play. We saw
Speaker 3: him play for like one and a half games or
Speaker 3: something like that at the end of the year. But
Speaker 3: on paper, yes, they do have somebody that can play
Speaker 3: center long term in Jake Andrews. All Right, a couple
Speaker 3: of the questions here.
Speaker 1: See here.
Speaker 3: Okay, that one's a detailed one. So there's one question
Speaker 3: here about something that I wrote about here. It is
Speaker 3: about if this draft, if Drake May hits, This is
Speaker 3: what I wrote in my recap of the draft. If
Speaker 3: Drake May hits, the draft is a success. Yes, and
Speaker 3: Paul here just wanted to push back a little bit
Speaker 3: on that and say and says, as a draft and
Speaker 3: developed team, if you only hit on one of eight picks,
Speaker 3: then how can it be a success. I just think
Speaker 3: that if you draft Drake May and he's a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 3: he's justin Herbert, Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud, whatever name
Speaker 3: you want to use, I think you'll figure out the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not their last draft. I mean, does it
Speaker 1: slow down the process, absolutely, But if you have a
Speaker 1: we just saw what the kind of pretzel you have
Speaker 1: to go into when you need a quarterback. So not
Speaker 1: needing that freeze up a lot more down the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, A question about dial out free safety. We talked
Speaker 3: about that. I think that's a possibility. I think he
Speaker 3: starts at corner, but I think there is a possibility
Speaker 3: that he could play free safety down the road. Let's
Speaker 3: see what else we got here. There was one other
Speaker 3: good question. See now I'm like losing all these these places.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this was a question about Leyden Robinson, and
Speaker 3: I think we touched on this a little bit. But
Speaker 3: the question here is just if they saw guard as
Speaker 3: a need, then a you know, why wait so long
Speaker 3: to take a guard and then be also you know,
Speaker 3: why would they see guard as a need. I don't
Speaker 3: necessarily think that they saw guarded as a need. I
Speaker 3: think they saw offensive line as a need in improving
Speaker 3: the offensive line. And I mentioned earlier in the show
Speaker 3: when Troy Franklin went off the board to pick, before
Speaker 3: when Denver traded up into that pick. My guess is
Speaker 3: is that they just took the best player on their board,
Speaker 3: who happened to be Laden Robinson. Well, I don't think
Speaker 3: why was the guard rank so high on their board? Well,
Speaker 3: it's just it's not about positions, right, Like, it's just
Speaker 3: about I think there's a little bit of a factor there,
Speaker 3: not if you're just stacking the board, like if you're
Speaker 3: if you're talking about guys you're targeting right in the draft,
Speaker 3: and that the need obviously is a big play in there.
Speaker 3: But if you're just talking about purely who has the
Speaker 3: highest grade on this entire board, probably not as much.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I wouldn't feel great about it if
Speaker 1: I'm cool strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's fair. Okay, this is a good question
Speaker 3: from Mauricio, he asks, And I will fully admit that
Speaker 3: I do not think either one of us are prepared
Speaker 3: to stack these players right now in the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five draft. But here, here we go, where the draft
Speaker 3: ended three days ago, and people are already asking us
Speaker 3: about the twenty twenty five draft. And I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're actually gonna get into the college football
Speaker 1: of it all this year.
Speaker 3: We'll see how the Patriots are doing.
Speaker 1: We might have to get you the video games. You
Speaker 1: can really learn something.
Speaker 3: So like, you know, people, you know, people say that.
Speaker 3: We had somebody that replied to one of my tweets
Speaker 3: today and I was going to referm to you. He said,
Speaker 3: you know, it would be nice to know which games
Speaker 3: I should watch during the college football season to keep an.
Speaker 1: Eye on prospects. We'll get that.
Speaker 3: I gotta admit to you, like I have so much
Speaker 3: to do when it comes to the Patriots when during
Speaker 3: the season and I'm traveling and things like that.
Speaker 1: I leave that to you. The traveling what kills you
Speaker 1: because you need saturdays obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that, I leave that to you to
Speaker 3: tell me what I should be watching when it comes
Speaker 3: to college football. But this question, uh from Rizio Mesigo.
Speaker 3: The two tackles that everybody's going to talk about the
Speaker 3: top of the draft are Kelvin Banks junior from Texas
Speaker 3: and Will Campbell from LSU. Those two guys are considered
Speaker 3: to be very, very high end tackle prospects.
Speaker 1: Alabama's got a guy to Tyler Booker, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of like that. Next he's the old.
Speaker 3: And then the other guy is your guy who you've
Speaker 3: been telling me for ten years is going to be good.
Speaker 1: Literally two years because he was a true sophomore last
Speaker 1: year and went off. Luther Burden from Missouri, Luthor Burden receiver.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more too, yeah, just in case. Uh,
Speaker 1: And people will probably familiar with him. Michigan is a
Speaker 1: corner Will Johnson who dominated during their run life. He
Speaker 1: might have been the best player on that team last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was a true sophomore. So obviously he wasn't
Speaker 1: in the draft. But you know, obviously we'll see what
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is gonna be fascinating, Yeah, because what position
Speaker 1: is he going to the draft? As.
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest with you, I have no desire.
Speaker 1: For Travis Hunter. Yeah, he was your favorite player last year.
Speaker 3: I'm not because of the player. I have no desire
Speaker 3: to bring Dion anywhere near this thing.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean I take him as a corner.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna I don't. I don't need the
Speaker 3: bar ball like up in all all of the Patriots business,
Speaker 3: I don't need it.
Speaker 1: Look, I Will Johnson is depending on what Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: does ends up doing this year and ends up declaring
Speaker 1: ass because he's not gonna play tow ways in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He can't. It's just too physically taxing. He maybe he'll
Speaker 1: be like Marcus Jones. But Will Johnson is probably the
Speaker 1: best corner in this draft. And look if if everything
Speaker 1: behind Gonzo kind of falls out and Jonathan Jones a
Speaker 1: free agent. He's gonna be thirty one and whatever, Like
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about corner is a major need again,
Speaker 1: and Will Johnson will be you know, if they're in
Speaker 1: the top ten, Will Johnson's gonna get a lot of
Speaker 1: talk in terms of the Patriots because he's their kind
Speaker 1: of corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kelvin Banks and Will Campbell. I haven't studied
Speaker 3: them specifically, but obviously I watched a lot of those
Speaker 3: offenses for the draft this year, with Aden Daniels and
Speaker 3: with the Texas guys and things like that. I think
Speaker 3: the thing that stands out about both of those guys
Speaker 3: is both guys have really good size for the position. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that either one of them is like,
Speaker 3: you know, super. I think Banks is maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit more athletic, just in terms of like getting out
Speaker 3: of his stance and things like that. If I'm right
Speaker 3: off the top of my head here, how I stack
Speaker 3: them right now is I could not tell you.
Speaker 1: It's irrelevant because we're gonna get so much more information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ranking them is irrelevant. I also think that they're just
Speaker 1: at this point, it's just here are guys to watch,
Speaker 1: and then you watch them next year. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: we can rank them and when the time comes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also think that it will be good for everybody
Speaker 3: with these two tackles and with other players on these
Speaker 3: two teams to not have such loaded supporting talent, like
Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback like Jayden Daniels. Right, it
Speaker 3: just makes everything better when you have receivers like Texas
Speaker 3: did last year. You know, it makes Quinn Yours and
Speaker 3: everybody look look good. Right, So we'll see what it
Speaker 3: looks like for Texas and Calvin Banks and Quinn Yours
Speaker 3: without Ady Mitchell, without Xavier Worthy, without Jatavian Sanders, without
Speaker 3: Winnington and all these guys. I'd be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Luthor Burt because he is a pretty good quarterback. Brady Cook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does that apply or sure? It shouldn't know? He's got
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's good on his own. He doesn't need
Speaker 1: Brady Cook. As much as I like part of me.
Speaker 1: If they did the wait for a quarterback thing, I
Speaker 1: wanted them to take Brady Cook because how fun would
Speaker 1: it be for the Patriots to have a quarterback named
Speaker 1: Brady Cook?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: He wears, not that he would hear, but he wears
Speaker 1: number twelve.
Speaker 3: So the biggest thing is, h yeah, he is not
Speaker 3: gonna wear that here?
Speaker 1: You sure, Brady Cook?
Speaker 3: Well, first off, I hope they don't draft You're not
Speaker 3: gonna wear number twelve.
Speaker 1: You don't think, Brady Cook? You just say Brady Cook. Uh.
Speaker 3: I would say. The biggest thing though, is that if
Speaker 3: you had to ask me right now, right today, and
Speaker 3: maybe we might disagree with it on this, maybe because
Speaker 3: you love Luther Burden so much, but if you have
Speaker 3: to ask me right now, right today, left tackle one
Speaker 3: one need for the Patriots next year, and I don't
Speaker 3: think it's particularly close. As much as I love receivers,
Speaker 3: and I think they can use that number one. That's
Speaker 3: the cherry on top for this for this skill group. Hopefully,
Speaker 3: let's hope the J's, which I love the Jays, the Jas.
Speaker 3: Let's hope that those two guys are are good and
Speaker 3: hit in all that kind of stuff, and we'll see
Speaker 3: if they're If they're busts and they're terrible, then yeah,
Speaker 3: receiver becomes a big conversation. But I think drafting a
Speaker 3: left tackle like a Joe All type of left tackle,
Speaker 3: which I is these two guys are in that category.
Speaker 3: From what I've seen. Yeah, Uh, drafting that guy for
Speaker 3: Drake May to protect his blind side for the next decade,
Speaker 3: I think is priority number one.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, like I wanted them to take a
Speaker 1: left tackle second in this out, and I think we're
Speaker 1: looking at Will Cambon, Kevin Kelvin Banks. But they seem
Speaker 1: to be okay doing left tackle by committee, and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if they I would I would go
Speaker 1: left tackle. I'm with you, yeah, But it also really
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if if they went receiver and just
Speaker 1: continue to kind of rotate left tackles through because that's
Speaker 1: what they've been doing for years now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Chad in Atlanta emails in and says that
Speaker 3: the quote that Wolfe had the system that I come from,
Speaker 3: we don't talk about x zys slot. We just tried
Speaker 3: to get out of really good receivers and it would
Speaker 3: end up working out for us. He said that worried
Speaker 3: him that they don't. I think that he was lying
Speaker 3: to our faces when he was just hyping up his player.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think when when you look at the way that
Speaker 3: they constructed their picks. We talked about it for a
Speaker 3: long time at the top of the show, I Javon
Speaker 3: Baker and Jalen Polk are completely complimentary players that are
Speaker 3: ones and X ones a Z. Like, I think he's
Speaker 3: full of it when he said.
Speaker 1: That he's just hyping up the guy. He just took
Speaker 1: that's it's that's just playing the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that he ignored that at all. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think he did the opposite. I think that they
Speaker 3: they were very mindful of making sure that it all
Speaker 3: fits together. The other line question here from Andrew is
Speaker 3: about right tackle. It said, you know, last year, right
Speaker 3: tackles are evolving door YadA, YadA, YadA. H how worried
Speaker 3: are we about bold tackle spots? They are gonna play
Speaker 3: mic on wh right tackle. We'll see how it goes,
Speaker 3: but that's the playoff.
Speaker 1: You know what, even if it doesn't work. I think
Speaker 1: Cayden Wallace is a good right tackle. Yeah, he kicked
Speaker 1: Mia w who back inside, and like, I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe it takes him a couple weeks to
Speaker 1: figure it out, but that's kind of what this team
Speaker 1: is at this point. Yeah, Like I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: I just wish they had a real left tackle.
Speaker 3: Another question about twenty twenty five drafts. So I'll just reiterate,
Speaker 3: Will Carambull, Kelvin Banks Junior, Luther and Burnon. Those are Luther,
Speaker 3: sorry stumbled out in that one, Luther Burden, Kelvin Banks Junior,
Speaker 3: Will Campbell. Those are the three guys you guys want
Speaker 3: to watch. Those are the three guys that were gonna go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we get closer, I will have you, guys know,
Speaker 1: I'll have that. So when we get to like August,
Speaker 1: I'll start talking about here are the players for Patriots
Speaker 1: fans to watch. So we'll get you, get a little
Speaker 1: bit of sleep, We'll get you.
Speaker 3: I want to end it on this note, though, Christian
Speaker 3: Barmore signs a four year Oh yeah, okay, fine is
Speaker 3: what we do. We do the one UDFA.
Speaker 1: So well, okay, so my favor my favorite is Mikey Victor.
Speaker 1: But there's just so many corners. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it makes the team. Big corner from Alabama State, yea,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Fenwick. They're running back from Oregon State. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can have a run. That real chance to make team.
Speaker 1: Six foot two, twenty three bowling ball back. He'll compete
Speaker 1: with Kevin Harris for that third running back spot, and
Speaker 1: then Jacob Warren, the tight end from Tennessee. He could
Speaker 1: have a chance to because they don't really have a
Speaker 1: blocking tight end and that's what he is. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think those are you look at those two guys,
Speaker 1: John Trey Hunter, those are the guys you're looking at
Speaker 1: to make this team.
Speaker 3: Running back UDFA. Running backs always have a chance to
Speaker 3: make football teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look if they so. I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason Fenwick went undrafted is he he was in
Speaker 1: college for six years. He only had more than hundred
Speaker 1: carries in a season once. He just never really play.
Speaker 1: If they run this preseason, like Bill used to, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of Deshaun Fenwick. Yeah, so he'll
Speaker 1: give him a real good chance to see what he
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really quickly before we wrap Christian Barmore four year extension. Obviously,
Speaker 3: this is not what the show today was about, but
Speaker 3: you know, we wanted to get our quick thoughts on this. Personally,
Speaker 3: I just love it for the main reason that this
Speaker 3: is a twenty four year old player who's ascending who
Speaker 3: you're keeping in the in house. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to come off like everything is anti Bill it's just different.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Bill's way of doing things was
Speaker 3: wrong or or you know whatever. It's just different. And
Speaker 3: I think when you look at this draft. My big
Speaker 3: takeaway too from this draft they obviously draft based off
Speaker 3: need on offense, which they should have done. If Bill
Speaker 3: was running this board and we talked about it off
Speaker 3: the air with Johnny Newton, Yeah, if Bill was running
Speaker 3: this board, he would have drafted Christian Barmore's replacement this
Speaker 3: year and what armour walk. He would let Marty Mapu
Speaker 3: take over for Kyle Dugger. He in the long run
Speaker 3: might end up being correct right like they it might.
Speaker 3: Bill might end up being right. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: he's always wrong about it, but that's what they would
Speaker 3: have done. And I understand why people are like this
Speaker 3: way better. You're just you're keeping guys that you like
Speaker 3: that are good football players, and fans know that fans
Speaker 3: can buy their jerseys and get behind it. I know
Speaker 3: that stuff may be overrated, but it feels good. It
Speaker 3: does feel good to have Barmar around here for the
Speaker 3: next four year, five years, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what you want is you want you know,
Speaker 1: the core tenants of a defense are having you know,
Speaker 1: a playmaker, not just a good player, but a playmaker
Speaker 1: at each level. You have Barmore at the first level.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: You locked up Dugger on the third level. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you count jud On as a second
Speaker 1: level player, but he's even on a contract year, so
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do there.
Speaker 3: But like van On the outide, right, if you want to.
Speaker 1: Continue to be an elite defense, this is the kind
Speaker 1: of guy you need to have, and they kept him around.
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