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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. You know the

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Speaker 1: distracted boyfriend name? Yeah, it's you, Josh Allen and Drake May.

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Speaker 3: Why is everybody so obsessed with me and Josh Allen?

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Speaker 3: Because you're obsessed with Josh, Well, I am not obsessed

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Speaker 3: with Josh Allen. That's not true. I said one thing

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Speaker 3: Orchard Park one time, like two years ago, and I

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Speaker 1: In I just showed you. I just showed you a

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Speaker 1: funny meme. You're the one that's getting defensive.

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Speaker 3: That sounds about right. I just showed you a funny

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Speaker 3: meme and you're the one that's getting defensive. Is like

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Speaker 3: the basically the cru of our entire friendship pretty much.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's all about, all right. Evan Lazara, Alex

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Speaker 3: bar sorrow re late. Sorry, sorry everybody. Sorry. There was

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Speaker 1: Sorrow relate, all right, Bill would sit you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. We'd probably get cut like Jonas Gray. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'd be done. We'd be done. I met Jonas Gray,

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Speaker 3: by the way. It's something different for the organization draft

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Speaker 3: super nice guy. Didn't deserve what he got and I'm

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Speaker 3: just kidding. I have no idea what he did. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: all right, today's show, we are going to go pick

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Speaker 3: by pick from the Patriots draft. We're probably not gonna

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Speaker 3: talk too too much about Drake May because not only

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Speaker 3: did we talk about him on Friday Show. So you

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Speaker 3: can go listen back to Friday's show if you miss

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Speaker 3: that one, But we also talked about Drake May for

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Speaker 3: the last six months, so I think everybody pretty much

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna go rounds two through seven here. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna go pick by pick. We're also going to talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit, I'm sure about Christian Barmore and other

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Speaker 3: Patriots news that's going on. But this is gonna be

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Speaker 3: our draft recap heavy show here, and my biggest takeaway

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Speaker 3: then we'll get into the new show of each individual prospect.

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Speaker 3: But my biggest takeaway from the draft, and the reason

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Speaker 3: they drafted with a schematic plan in mind, which is

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Speaker 3: what I like. I like the fact that we can argue,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure we will, and we already have emailers

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Speaker 3: and you can call it an eight five to five

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Speaker 3: whether they reached on certain players, or they got the

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Speaker 3: second and just talk quarterback with Drake May. Receiver with

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Speaker 3: The two receivers fit Drake May's playing style, they fit

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Speaker 3: Where Jalen Polk is more of this move zero receiver

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Speaker 3: And I think we watch these guys, these speed receivers

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Speaker 1: And that puts the cap on top of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an old belichickism, right. It's not about collecting talent,

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Speaker 1: just go out and draft receivers. They drafted receivers whose

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Speaker 1: Whereas I don't know that they had they did have

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Speaker 1: I thought you enjoy that, all right, But yeah, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great way of putting it. Now, with

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Speaker 3: So transitioning to Jalen Polk their first pick in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Polk. I wouldn't call Polk overdrafted just

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Speaker 1: Wallace is the one, and look, you could argue he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fair. But I agree with you one

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Speaker 1: Not one bees.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about t Higgins, Deavonte Smith, not quite

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Speaker 1: But that's but he's gonna end up being good because

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Speaker 3: Maybe Jalen McMillan and Jermaine Burn. Those are all my

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Speaker 3: no doubt about it. He's not a speed receiver. I

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Speaker 3: Jalen Polk's got twenty pounds on Lad conky in two inches.

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Speaker 1: If they like him, that's where they needed to take him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, where where do we and this is maybe

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Speaker 1: It's so much easier to talk about this draft by

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Speaker 3: And notice that, Yeah, so with Javon Baker, we just

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the two guys you look at

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Speaker 1: throw kisha on Booty in there too, you can, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's those guys for one or two spots.

431
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think kJ Osborne is gonna make the team

432
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: just because they signed him to this free agent deal.

433
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot of money. It's not about the

434
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Speaker 3: money necessarily. Then they can cut him probably and not

435
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 3: necessarily feel it all that much. But I just feel

436
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: like you brought the guy in in free agency and

437
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 3: you gave him a little bit of guaranteed money. It'd

438
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: be weird to then turn around and just cut the guy,

439
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, unless he's terrible.

440
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: Obviously, okay, so well, but then you have so now

441
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: it becomes Juju Thornton booty rager for four spots. Yeah,

442
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: I wonder for one spot.

443
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, I do wonder what Juju if we start to

444
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: hear murmurings of June one cut, maybe even a trade

445
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, you know, late twenty twenty five,

446
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: pick pick, swap, something along those lines. Somebody, I think

447
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: it was Perillo, asked me what I see Jalen Polk's

448
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: floor as an in the NFL, And I kind isn't

449
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: it kind of late career Juju smith Shuster? Like, isn't

450
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 3: it kind of like last year Juju Smith Shuster? Is

451
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, his absolute floor? I feel like, and I know,

452
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: you know, his floor could be like out of the league,

453
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 3: right right. I understand that, but just in terms of,

454
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, a floor of yeah, he's an NFL player,

455
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: but I feel like it's Juju Smith Schuster in terms

456
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: of his ceiling. I think he's a souped up Jacobe Myers.

457
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit.

458
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Speaker 3: Faster, I said, yeah, a little bit faster, a little

459
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: bit better on the nine route, a little bit more

460
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: better down the field than Jacoby Myers is. But similar

461
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 3: player and both of them are incredibly strong at the

462
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: catch point with great hands. So I look at those guys,

463
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: it's pretty similar with Javon Baker. The thing that's interesting

464
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: about him and I I feel it, and I can

465
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: understand it to an extent because I do think there's

466
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: a little bit more upside there with him. I think

467
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk is your typical low floor or high floor prospect.

468
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to come into the league, he's

469
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: going to stick in the NFL. Is he going to

470
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: be an all world receiver Justin Jefferson, No, probably not,

471
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 3: but he's going to be a pretty solid Jacobi Meyer, Meyers,

472
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: Tyler Boyd. You know, those are some of the comps

473
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Speaker 3: that you hear for him. With Javon Baker started at Alabama,

474
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: was buried on the depth chart behind some studs, Devonte Smith,

475
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams, John MATCHI Yeah, four star recruit then transfers

476
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: to UCF breaks out. Has two great seasons one, you know,

477
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: last year led the Big twelve in receiving and there's

478
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: a lot of potential there with him. There's also a

479
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: lot of inconsistency to his game. He has some of

480
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: the worst It's not that the volume of drops jumps

481
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: six drops last year. It's not like that is terrible.

482
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: But I was texting you about this yesterday. He has

483
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: some of the worst drops in terms of the outcome

484
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen, where he's dropping the ball on

485
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 3: wide open targets and they're going for interceptions to the

486
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: other team. They're ricocheting off his hands and going for interceptions.

487
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: He had one against them. I think it was against

488
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: Boise State where he was in the end zone, wide

489
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: opening the end zone like reche Caldwell did right, drops

490
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: the ball and the ricochet goes off his hands and

491
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: for an interception to the other team.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. I mean when you say that

493
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: reminds me of Aaron Dobson. But I think and that's

494
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: probably his floor. Yeah. That being said, what he can

495
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Speaker 1: do explosively on the other end is exciting.

496
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

497
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Speaker 1: I see some like George Pickens there. He's not quite

498
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: as athletic, but he's a boomer bust receiver. I think

499
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Speaker 1: at his best he's gonna have games. Even at his best,

500
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna have games where he gets blanked, but then

501
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: you know the next week he'll come out four catches,

502
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen yards, two touchdowns. I just think that's

503
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Speaker 1: the kind of guy he's gonna be. So some people

504
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: get really nervous by that kind of if. If they

505
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: can go out next year and trade for Brandon Ayuker,

506
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: draft of Luther Burden to be the dictating number one,

507
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: and then you have Baker and Poult next to him,

508
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Speaker 1: that's a really good group if you're drafting Baker to

509
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: be your number one. I just don't know that even

510
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: with the flashes, I don't know that the consistency is there.

511
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the two guys, I think that you hit it

512
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: on the nail on the head there with the consistency,

513
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: because I felt the same exact way, and when I

514
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: wrote about him today on Patriots dot Com is exactly

515
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: what I said. He's gonna have games or he's gonna

516
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: leave the Patriots and receiving yards and he's gonna have

517
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: games where he's invisible, right, and because of his playing style,

518
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: not because he's not talented, but he's a big, big

519
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: play receiver. So if he catches a sixty five yard

520
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: touchdown that game, he's gonna be great next week. If

521
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: he gets you know, doesn't have that big target down

522
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: the field and he's not, his production is not gonna

523
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 3: be so good. So I compared him to two guys

524
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: from a body type athletics standpoint. He's Romeo Dobbs reincarnated.

525
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: He's exactly the same.

526
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Speaker 1: Tops was faster though, Wasn't he I faster? No?

527
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

528
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Speaker 1: No.

529
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: I think he's very very similar. I think Mark Draftible

530
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: had It's like a ninety eight percent match for the

531
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Speaker 3: two of them, and they play similarly where I think

532
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: the one thing that I like about Javon Baker the

533
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: most is that he's a pretty fluid, flexible route runner.

534
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: At the top of routes. For a six foot one,

535
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: two hundred and five pound guy, he can sink and cut.

536
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: He can you know, stop on the vertical stem and

537
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: create separation off his breaks at the second level.

538
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: Is he a jitterbug?

539
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: No, but he's got that fluidity and that ability to

540
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: sink his hips and cut out of the break at

541
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: the top that he's going to create some separation doing that.

542
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: He also creates some separation with his explosiveness through the

543
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: route break, especially on like double moves. You know, he

544
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: can make guys look silly on double moves. So he's

545
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: got a good setup of slant, dig out, go ball right,

546
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: and then he can win two different ways.

547
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Speaker 1: On the go ball.

548
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: He can win down the field just running by you,

549
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: and then he can also win on like a back

550
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 3: shoulder or high point or something like that too and

551
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: just post up on guys. So he's got a nice

552
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: foundational set of X receiver route running ability that I

553
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: think is encouraging. Jalen Polk to me right now has

554
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: verticals and crossers like that's what he runs. Yeah, he

555
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily, And part of it was because that wasn't

556
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: a big part of Washington's offense. I looked this up

557
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: and Michael Pannis never threw slants. He just doesn't throw

558
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: slants like that's just not you know, the short game

559
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: is just not something that they did. They were bombs

560
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: away all game, every game, and so Jalen Polk has

561
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: was targeted on inbreaking routes. I think it was a

562
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: total of three times. He had one slant and he

563
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: had two digs, and the rest of it is just goes,

564
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: crossers and hitches right Like it's just that's his route,

565
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: true right now, Whereas I feel like with Javon Baker,

566
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: there's a more complete projection of what routes he can

567
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: run in terms of the full tree of X routes,

568
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: you know, like I mentioned first, second, first, second, third

569
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: level routes that you see on film. The other thing

570
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: I like a lot about Javon Baker is that not

571
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: necessarily I think it's saying if it fails and the

572
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: outside is probably put the wrong way to put it.

573
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: But he can also be a big slot. I think

574
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: you know, he showed some ability certainly to run the

575
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: seam like that. That's there and if you are a

576
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: little bit concerned about the four five four, and it

577
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily translate on the outside in terms of the speed,

578
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: if you get him matched up against linebackers in safeties,

579
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: he's fast all of a sudden, yeah, right, So if

580
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: you get him inside the formation, which he did I

581
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: think twenty seven percent of the time last year, is

582
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: mainly an outside guy, but if you get him matched

583
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: up on the inside of the formation, now you have

584
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 3: seam runs, a nice zone sits where he's a big target.

585
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: He's got a nice catch radius to just be QB

586
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: friendly and sit in the middle of his zone, and

587
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: you have some of that big slot potential as well.

588
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: So I think that he can move inside and outside

589
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: a little bit more than I thought when I originally

590
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 3: watched him before the draft, he really felt like an

591
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: outside guy. But I mentioned Romeo Dobs, the other guy

592
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: that I think fits a lot, and I happened to

593
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: go to the same school as Gabe Davis. Gabe Davis

594
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: is also pretty good fake. Gaby is a little bit bigger.

595
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: You know, he's got about ten pounds on Baker, but

596
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: they both ran four or five fours. They're both like

597
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: six to one and change, and they're both these boomer

598
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: bust players. Gabe Davis is one of one of those

599
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: players where seventy five percent of his production comes in

600
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: four games every single year. Right, So those two guys

601
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: might not sound to Patriots fans like, oh, we just

602
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: got Tara Loans. I get it. But the thing is

603
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: is that, like you mentioned, earlier. If Jalen Polk is

604
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: souped up Jakobe Myers and Javon Baker is Gabe Davis, Yeah,

605
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: and then they can go out next offseason and get

606
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: that true number one guy. Now you're building something.

607
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like the plan is. So it's

608
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: like you tweeted this morning, you're getting ready to debate

609
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, and who's the tackle from Texas?

610
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Kelvin Banks.

611
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one from Texas, right, yeah, yeah, And I

612
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: just replied Luther Burton, And I mean I'm just you know,

613
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: having fun, you know, poking fun because it's just another name.

614
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: I think you've also told me about Luther Burden for

615
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: like two years.

616
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Just like I did, say if you're worthy, and how

617
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: did you endup feeling about him? And so I replied

618
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: to your tweet, I said, Luther burn just kind of

619
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: having fun, like these are the names, those are the

620
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: three big names. And everybody started replying, no, they need

621
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: a tackle, No, they need a tackle, like they're not

622
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: going to take receivering Like I don't know that I

623
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: probably will want them to take a tackle at this

624
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: time next year, but or you know, a week ago,

625
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: this time next year. Yeah, but I at the same time,

626
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: they just kind of seemed to be good doing left

627
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: tackle by committee, and it does feel like there's a

628
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: long term plan here at receiver, and like if you

629
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: add a Luther Burden to this group, or you go

630
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: out you make a trade for Brandon Ayuk or one

631
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: of these top receivers that's going to be available, you

632
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: go out and get a DK Metcalf, now suddenly you're

633
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: really cooking. So I don't think either of these guys

634
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: was brought in to be the overwhelming wide receiver problems

635
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: solver in New England. I think they were brought into

636
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: play next to that guy. And that guy is still

637
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: TBD because when you took the quarterback third or which

638
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do unless they were going

639
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: to trade back up. And I don't even know if

640
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: likely get was that guy. I think he's maybe that

641
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: one B, maybe he's that T Higgins. I don't think

642
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: he was ever that one A. There were three, maybe

643
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: four to one a's in this draft. Once you took

644
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you weren't getting that guy this year in

645
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: the draft. And that's okay. They weren't gonna fill every

646
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: ed in this draft. We had talked about that leading up.

647
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: So I think the plan now is to figure out,

648
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, next year, who is being added to this group. Yeah.

649
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: So I think with Baker there's probably a little bit

650
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: more ceiling there in terms of he if he hits

651
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: his ceiling, I've been trying, you know, Gabe Davis and

652
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobs or comp said. I feel like that's who

653
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna be in the league most likely if it

654
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: works out. But I'm trying, you know, ceiling comps I

655
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: think are a little bit more different, all right, difficult.

656
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: Maybe at George Pickens is a little bit better than

657
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: those two guys. Yeah, maybe we put him in that category.

658
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: It's not bad.

659
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't realize. Do you think Pickens the number one?

660
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: I think he's a one B.

661
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: He's not consistent enough to be one. That's the big thing.

662
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: If he was consistent, he would be but he's not.

663
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I think nowadays in the league, the receiver

664
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: position is so valuable and is so such a sought

665
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: after commodity that there's there's it's almost like in baseball

666
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: where there's aces and there's number one.

667
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I love doing that at corner we

668
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: can do that at receiver. Pickens is well, he is

669
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: by default the number one, he's the best receiver.

670
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: He's not nay, he's a number one starter.

671
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not nay.

672
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: Right, So you know guys that That's how I would

673
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: break down this draft. I think you know you had

674
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: guys like the Big three, obviously Harrison neighbors of dunes

675
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: or aces.

676
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe Brian Thomas is like fringy.

677
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: Maybe he's an ACE, Maybe he's kind of a tweeter

678
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: in between those two things. And then you had a

679
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: couple of guys that were number one starters, Adie Mitchell,

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: Xavier Lagette. I would say maybe Keon come.

681
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: The difference. The difference here is to use this analogy

682
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: because he's it for corners. Every team has a number

683
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: one by default. Yeah, and it's do you feel good

684
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: this guy being your best wide receiver? An ACE? You

685
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: can have more than one A like I would say

686
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: the Bengals have more than one ACE. Yeah, the Dolphins

687
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: have more than one ACE. You put Jalen Waddle on

688
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: most teams? Is the number one? Eagles? Eagles is the

689
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: best example. Yeah, you put DeVante Smith on most teams?

690
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Is the best receiver? You feel great about that, you

691
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: feel fantastic about that, but he's not their number one

692
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: receiver technical.

693
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: Right, I feel like the league is just that way.

694
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: The other The last thing I'll say about Javon Baker

695
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about the lineman. H I texted you

696
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: this yesterday, my confidence Javon Baker, and you just said

697
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: the j's which makes it even better is Jalen Brown,

698
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: Because Jalen Brown will hit the three with the hand

699
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: in his face from like thirty feet out, and then

700
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: he'll brick a wide open corner three and you're like,

701
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: what is going on? Or he'll have this like terrible turnover,

702
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: and then the next play he'll dunk on somebody you know,

703
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: And that's that's Jayvon Baker to me. Jayvon Baker makes

704
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: the easy the hard stuff look easy and the easy

705
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: stuff look hard, right, And so if you can get

706
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: him to it's not that different than Drake may like.

707
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: If you can get these two guys to just be

708
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: insistent and always bring out the highlights and not the

709
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: low lights, then they're gonna be great, great players in

710
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: the league most likely.

711
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Though.

712
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: This is why you know, I think Gave Davis works

713
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: so well for Baker. Most likely he's just gonna be

714
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: inconsistent for the rest of his life, Like that's just

715
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: the type of guy that's gonna be. But that still

716
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: could be that there are games where Javon Baker has

717
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns like

718
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: that that still exists within his game. It's just that

719
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: the next week he's probably gonna be invisible. So that's

720
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna have to live with. But I

721
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: really liked watching him. He's a really explosive player. I

722
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: think he runs plays a lot faster. Both these guys

723
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: play a lot faster than their forty times. I wouldn't

724
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: get too caught up in forty times with either one

725
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: of these players. I think they play football in pads

726
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: between the lines a lot faster because they're so damned competitive.

727
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: Both guys are dogs like. Both guys are super competitive,

728
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: super you know, they're in game athletes, like they're guys

729
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: when the lights around.

730
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: The They drafted good. They're good at football.

731
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: They're not good at underwear Olympics. As much as I

732
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: love the combine, that's just not going to be their

733
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: thing necessarily. But you look at some of the in

734
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: game track and data. Some of the stuff from the

735
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl with Javon Baker is really positive too. He

736
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: had the second fastest time at the Senior Bowl during

737
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl practices, only behind tes Walker. But then you

738
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: look at their discrepancy and forty and you're like, how

739
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: did that happen?

740
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: Right?

741
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: Like, he almost touched twenty one miles an hour at

742
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl running routes, which is an impressive speed obviously,

743
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: So it's a I'm optimistic about these two guys, but

744
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: I also won't think we did a good job of

745
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: keeping it in context of I don't think that either

746
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 3: one of these guys is a true number one down

747
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: the road, but they're really good complimentary players that once

748
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: they do get that number one, now they really have

749
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: an offense. Like now they really have a big time group.

750
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: You mentioned i Uke. I know it's a pipe dream,

751
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: but somebody like you coming in here now, the Patriots really,

752
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: on paper have a very very good offense in terms

753
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: of personnel. Let's see if it all comes together.

754
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Hang on, I have the list of guys who will

755
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: be like the Brinn and ayukx next year. Let me

756
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: pull this up real quick. It is T Higgins, assuming

757
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't get extended off the franchise. DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin,

758
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, Jalen Wattle, Garrett Wilson all right, and Davonta

759
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: Smith's gott an extension since I rot, Yeah, so those

760
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: are they're probably not getting Garrett Wilson, Jalen Wattle, DJ Moore,

761
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf. I take any of those guys.

762
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: I love DK Metca. I'd be a ton of fun

763
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: and he would be ideal with Drake May.

764
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be a match

765
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: made in heaven those two. Yeah, yeah, I I I'm

766
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: optimistic about it. I think it. It's both guys have

767
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: reasons to like their games and be excited about their games,

768
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: even if I think a lot of people and myself included,

769
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: sometimes get caught up in the four to three guys

770
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: and just want the the pure speed guys, the pure

771
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: track guys. We've been down that road before with Taekwon Thornton.

772
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: We've been down the other road before with like the

773
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: Size Speed guy and Nikhil Harry. And I know people

774
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: when I say size speed, they're like speed with Nikhil

775
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: Harry was fast for his size. You know, he had

776
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: a very very good weight adjusted forty time. But we

777
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: been down the road with those athletes, like those guys

778
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 3: that are just these raw athletes, and it hasn't worked out.

779
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: When I look at Baker and Polk, I look at

780
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: two football players, I look at two guys that know

781
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: how to run routes. I know how to get open,

782
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: they know how to catch the ball, that know how

783
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: to create with the ball in their hands in Baker's

784
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: case a little bit. So I'm optimistic about both those

785
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: guys hitting there what I project to be. You know,

786
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: they're comfortable NFL projections, you know, Gabe Davis, Jacoby Meyers

787
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more juice like. I think that

788
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: those are both realistic. Going to the offensive line, You're right,

789
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: it is easier to talk about this draft in.

790
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Position groups at least through here, and then we can

791
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: do the late day three guys Like to me, you

792
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: have Drake May, you have the top one fifth receivers. Yep,

793
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: you have the top one fifty lineman, and then you

794
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: do dial Joe Milton en Belt.

795
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: Then everybody else. Yeah, don't sleep on Jeen.

796
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Bell though, I we're gonna get to Jeeene Bell. I'm

797
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: not don't sleep. Don't sleep He's I'll just say, like,

798
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: for where they got obviously, Drake makes my favorite pick.

799
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: He's the best player, but like all things considered, where

800
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: they got him and all that, Jahem Belt might be

801
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: the best pick of their draft.

802
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Javon Baker is probably the best value

803
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: they got in the draft, probably a guy that is

804
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: a top one hundred talent in most receiver drafts. But

805
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: there's so much talent in this receiver draft that him,

806
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, like those guys are in my mind top

807
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: seventy five picks and other drafts. But unfortunately for them,

808
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: but better for the Patriots. Uh, there's so much talent.

809
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: And I remember when I did my Best Available for

810
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: Day three and I was going through some of the guys. Ever,

811
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: I was shocked by how much receiver talent was still

812
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: out there. And we knew this was gonna happen, I

813
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: was still surprised by it. You know, you have Troy Franklin,

814
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: Ted Walker, Javon Baker available for you at the top

815
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: of the fourth round. That does not happen any other year.

816
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: So I'm supposed to have.

817
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, offensive line. I totally understand the concerns with Cane

818
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: Wallace flipping sides. I think they're legitimate. The comparison I

819
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: always someone told me I think it was carn Brisillo.

820
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: I don't think it was a scar. I remember one

821
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: of the offensive line coaches that's been through here told

822
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: me to take a pen. You're right he or lefty, righty, righty?

823
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: Write me something with your left hand.

824
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: No, this isn't there's I talked to a former college

825
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. I know what you're saying. It's not

826
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: as simple as right with your right hand, right with

827
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: your left. It's you know, right. You move the paper

828
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: based on where you are. So if you're used to

829
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: playing right tackle, so now it's in front of you.

830
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: Now you go to right guard. Now it's over here.

831
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: Now you go to center. Now it's over here. Now

832
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: you're left guard. Now you're writing with your off hand

833
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: all the way over here. Yeah, and now it left tackle.

834
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: You got to write with your off hand all the

835
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: way over here. I just you know, tip some my

836
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: fingers on the pen. Yeah, have to write my name.

837
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: That is the toughest move on the offensive. Right guard

838
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: to right tackle and vice versa is easier. Yeah, Like

839
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: it's easier to move between. Just stay on the same

840
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: side and move inside to outside.

841
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: Everything right, Your drive foot's different. You know, your inside

842
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: foot's different, your plan foot's different. Your hands are now flipped. Yes,

843
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: it's all different. Now can he do it?

844
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

845
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: Any like yes, like in theory, he can do it.

846
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: I think the things that you look at.

847
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: It's a project, though. I don't think people realize how

848
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: hard being a true swing tackle is. Like, people didn't

849
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: appreciate Ladry and Waddle enough when he's here. They spent like,

850
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: let's be honest, they spent two or three years and

851
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: nobody noticed because there were bigger things going on. They

852
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: spent two or three years really missing Ladrian Waddle and

853
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: of all people, so they signed this the uh like

854
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: the UDFA tackle. Zerry Henry has over eight hundred snaps

855
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: that left tackle and right tackle in his career. That's

856
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: a swing tackle. A guy that has played exclusively right

857
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: tackle for four years, but you think he's athletic enough

858
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: to make the move isn't a swing tackle. He's a

859
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: right tackle. You're gonna try to play it left. That's different.

860
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were some guys like that in this draft though,

861
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: to be fair.

862
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Like true swing tackles.

863
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 3: No guys that like a Marius Mams, Tyler Geyon. Yeah,

864
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: those guys played right tackle in college that everybody thinks

865
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: are athletic enough to flip.

866
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Giten's unique because he was the right tackle in a

867
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: lefty quarterback offense. So he like a blind side experience. Yeah,

868
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: Like those guys are the It's still not easy for

869
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: them because you still got to move the sides. Yeah,

870
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: but there's certain things you do as a blind side

871
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: protector on either side that you don't do on the

872
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: strong side. Certain things are gonna have to deal with that,

873
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: just you know, at least you have that kind of experience. Yeah.

874
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: So when I watched Wallace, and I should mention too

875
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: that down at the Shrine Bowl, he did take some

876
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: passets on the left side. They flip, They flip them all,

877
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: like that's what they do. You know, Senior Bowl, same

878
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: thing guy in Uh. You know, those guys all played

879
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: some snaps on the left.

880
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: Show at right tackle at the combine, lucky for the Chargers.

881
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think Wallace when you watch him, he's

882
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: a twitchy mover. He's very twitchy out of his stance,

883
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: he can really get out and into his landmark initially.

884
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: The issues that I think present themselves, especially against speed,

885
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: is more on like kicks two, three, four right, it's

886
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: not right out of his stance and right out of

887
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: his stands. He's usually pretty good as he kicks out

888
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 3: of his stance and slides with his feet, he tends

889
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: to his pads, tend to elevate, and then if he

890
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: feels pressure, you know, speed, especially coming off the edge.

891
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: He's what's called an early hip opener. So instead of

892
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 3: sliding his feet like a play like somebody guarding somebody

893
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: in basketball and trying to stay in front of him

894
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: that way, he'll just turn and start to run right,

895
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: turn his hips and open his hips open and then

896
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: almost like get into like a gallop. The issue with

897
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: what happens when that happened, when players do that, is

898
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: that they leave themselves very vulnerable to inside counters. So

899
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: you get up up the field like that well schooled

900
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: rushers like in the league, they're gonna inside spin you

901
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: all day long. They're just gonna say, all right, you're

902
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna overcompensate and try to jump out to

903
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: that that landmark out there, I'm just gonna spin inside

904
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: or I'm just gonna arm over, you know, swim inside, right,

905
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: So you have to his big concern, I would say

906
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: right now, is that the fact that his lateral movement

907
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: later in his past set causes a short corner, so

908
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: he gets into this early hip opening sick sequencing. Now

909
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: that being said, he's got really good hands, He's got

910
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: good length, you know, thirty four inch arms, and he

911
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: knows how to use him. You know, he plays long

912
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: and he has really heavy hands, like he can stun guys,

913
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: he can slow guys down. And I do think that

914
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: his initial movements out of his stance are are twitchy,

915
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: are there's a good burst there, So I think that

916
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: there's something to work with him there. I would just

917
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: say that if I was switching him over to left tackle,

918
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 3: I would be a little bit concerned about really true

919
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: speed guys. You know, Miami just drafted Chop Robinson like

920
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: him coming off the edge at him against Miami in

921
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 3: a few months like that would concern me a little

922
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: bit about him at left tackle. But in general, great anchor,

923
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: great hand strength, great length, knows how to use it

924
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: pretty good. Initially out of his stance in this pass set.

925
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: And when you have those combinations, like you should be

926
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: able to translate that to the league. And let's just

927
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: hope that you know, Drake may is as good against

928
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: pressure as I think he is.

929
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to I just this seems to

930
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: be their plan. It's been there playing the last few

931
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: years that they're not They haven't added a real consistent

932
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: left tackle, Like I think Trent is a good player.

933
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Trent Brown's a good player, but he was kind of

934
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: a wild card in his own right. And then on

935
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: top of that, you've brought in Calvin Anderson, who who

936
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: was incredibly inexperienced and was mostly a right tackle in

937
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: the NFL. Or he is a true swing tackle. You

938
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: brought in Riley Reef, who was a right tackle and older.

939
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: You tried you know, guards out, they tried City So

940
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: who was a college guard, another position mover, and now

941
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: this year there are two top options for left tackle.

942
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: It seems like our guy that hasn't played left tackle

943
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: since college has only played right tackle in the NFL

944
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: in six seasons, and a guy who was a right

945
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: tackle in college. Yeah, and at a certain So that's

946
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: my thing with Kayden wallasback if he had been like

947
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: their second offensive lineman. Great, you got a guy that's experienced,

948
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: good right tackle, probably gonna give you some snaps at

949
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: guard as well, like solid second lineman pick. But for

950
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: a team that has needed a left tackle for so long,

951
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: to walk away from this without a true left tackle,

952
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: I can't shape. That's my biggest second guess in the draft.

953
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily Wallace himself, it's how do you not

954
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: come away? They attacked a wide receiver position so aggressively,

955
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: which you can he already was the third biggest of

956
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: the three needs, simply because at least they had depth

957
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: at wide receiver Samy, you will about the right, like,

958
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: there's guys in there that can play. They didn't have

959
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: the top of the depth drier, but there's guys in

960
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: that can play. So to attack the wide receiver position

961
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: the way they did and then just kind of say

962
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: it left tackle, I will figure it out. It feels

963
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: like they've been trying to figure it out at left

964
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: tackle without an obvious answer for three or four years now,

965
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked. And we're maybe Caane Wallace works out.

966
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: Great if he does, awesome, It's a brilliant pick, but

967
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: that's a that's hardly a guarantee when you have a

968
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: guy moving sides like that.

969
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: I it's my biggest second guess of the draft because

970
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: your shows are big on this. You know, Feulger is

971
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: big on this. Did they misread the board?

972
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: So that's the one where I'm fine with them letting

973
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: Polk follow to them at thirty seven. That one makes

974
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: sense to me. I can understand that. Yeah, they once

975
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul went fifty fifth, Yeah, that needed to be.

976
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: That needed to set the alarm bells off, and all right,

977
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: we need it. This is about to because most people

978
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: thought Paul is a third round pick. Once that guy

979
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: goes there, you need to recognize, Oh, everybody's gonna panic here. Tackle.

980
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: We need to tackle more than most of these teams.

981
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: We need to get up there and get a guy.

982
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: Whether that's And I know I sound like a little

983
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: bit of a hypocrite saying Blake Fisher because I just

984
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: went on the whole thing about you know, true swing tackles.

985
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Fisher at least like played left tackle in college. Yeah,

986
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they really like as a higher.

987
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: Rated prospect, not that the consensus really matters all that much,

988
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: but he's a higher rated process.

989
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Well, so the point being, like, I can see why

990
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: they maybe wouldn't have been interested in Kingsley. Yeah, I'm

991
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: not saying it's right. I think they were looking for older,

992
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: more experienced prospects, guys without the injury history. But Blake

993
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: Fisher checked all the boxes of the guys they took,

994
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: but at least he had some left tackle experience.

995
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it definitely seems you know. Another positive for

996
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Cadden Wallace forty career starts at Penn State is a lot.

997
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: So I like Kden Wallace's I mocked him to the Patriots, like,

998
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I like his makeup as a prospect, Yeah in a bubble,

999
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't like him as your potential future left tackle. Yeah,

1000
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: I hear. I think that's a step too far.

1001
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: So the the one thing I will say, though, this

1002
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: isn't to carry the water and defend them, but I

1003
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: think the one thing I will say is that based

1004
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: off of their actions, I do feel like they have

1005
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: so much confidence. And maybe it's not right to have

1006
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: this much confidence, but I think they have so much

1007
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 3: confidence in AVP scheming around tackle issues, and Scott Peter

1008
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: is coaching up tackles.

1009
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: They this a lot of this draft is they put

1010
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: on the coaching self. Yeah, it's a lot of.

1011
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 3: And I think that their thought process specifically with AVP

1012
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: is that they are going to be so play action, bootleg,

1013
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: move the pocket. Now they have this athletic quarterback, and

1014
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: Jacoby can do the same thing. Like if it's Jacoby Brissett,

1015
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: he can also move around. You know, they have these

1016
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that can move around, they can throw off platform,

1017
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: they can throw outside the pocket, and they have they

1018
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: don't necessarily need to expose their left tackle to thirty

1019
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: one on ones on an island like every single game.

1020
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: It's probably they are going to probably try to shrink

1021
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: the one on one exposures for their tackles in pass

1022
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: pro as much as they possibly can by staying ahead

1023
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: of the chains, by being really good on overdown early

1024
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: downs with explosives and not necessarily getting into a situation

1025
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: where you're dropping back and traditionally dropping back to past

1026
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: thirty five times a game. And maybe that that's the

1027
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 3: way that they look at it. And then I also think,

1028
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, Scott Peters is one of those guys and

1029
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: we've seen some videos about him when they hired him

1030
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: and things like that. That is one of these technique

1031
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: gurus like he just he has a school with his

1032
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: father that's off to the side that coaches up prospects,

1033
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, works with prospects in the offseason. Uh. He

1034
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: has a lot of that going on where he's like

1035
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: one of these private tutors as well. Yeah, and so

1036
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: I think they think that they they're going to be

1037
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: able to coach these guys up and coach around it.

1038
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: And we've talked about it a lot in the past.

1039
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: You can coach around one week link on the offensive line.

1040
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 3: I think that they look at this and they say,

1041
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: if left tackles a weak link, we will just try to,

1042
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, do things to make it easier for that guy,

1043
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the case may be. And I can

1044
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: see how they feel like they could get that they

1045
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: could get away with it. I do so, but that.

1046
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: Kind of hinges on what happens at left guard, which

1047
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: brings us to Laydon Robinson.

1048
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Leyden Robinson to me was the classic case

1049
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: of they got jumped for Troy Franklin by Denver and

1050
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: we're just gonna turn in the car with our best

1051
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: available player and they had the highest grade on a

1052
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: guy like Leyden Robinson, And as much as I hated it,

1053
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: and I hated it, when they made the pick, I

1054
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: was just like, not another guard. You've got to be kidding,

1055
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 3: especially there right, like, because it's just another guard in

1056
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: the fourth round, just like they drafted sixteen of them

1057
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: last year. I couldn't believe it. I was just they really.

1058
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: Day three was off to an awful start for me,

1059
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: and Javon Baker rescued the day like, if they didn't

1060
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: make the Javon Bak it felt like a lot like

1061
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: last year with Pop Douglas, Like if you didn't make

1062
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: that pick, I would have been like, oh god, like

1063
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: this has just not been a good day. Leyden Robinson,

1064
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: I think, was their highest graded player at the time.

1065
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily have a great grade on anybody that

1066
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 3: was at a position of need you know, another tackle,

1067
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 3: maybe double dip there or well.

1068
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: I also wonder some people thought coming into the draft

1069
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: that Leyden Robinson could play tackle just because of his length.

1070
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they were going to see them

1071
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: try him attack.

1072
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: Oh god, I think that his feet and his range

1073
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: is in a phone booth.

1074
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna work.

1075
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think he's got tackle feed at all.

1076
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: They're trying. They try everybody to tackle. It's kind of

1077
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: what they do now.

1078
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: Oh god. I think with Leyden Robinson it's one of

1079
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: those old adages and it's similar to what we're gonna

1080
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: talk about with Joe Milton when we get to the quarterback.

1081
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: You don't go broke taking offensive lineman.

1082
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just don't.

1083
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: If you have beefing up the trenches if all else fails,

1084
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: if you don't have a great grade on a skill player,

1085
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: you don't have a great grade on a dB or

1086
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: something like that, you could you will never go wrong

1087
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: with taking linemen on either side of the ball if

1088
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: you have a If you really are convicted by a

1089
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: guy and you feel like Leyden Robinson has a starter

1090
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: grade for us and we're gonna this is gonna work

1091
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: out long term. You never go broke taking trenches.

1092
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: You just don't. See. That's just what killed it's like.

1093
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: But I look at it in SO sixty eight and

1094
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: one oh three, right, Ken Wallace and Lane Robinson? Yeah,

1095
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: could those have become a pick in the fifties?

1096
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: Right?

1097
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: And it's a fair point right, you wonder the potential

1098
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: left tackle.

1099
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder if Again, I think Troy Franklin was

1100
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: their guy in the top of the fourth round, and

1101
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: so they were holding out hope they were gonna get

1102
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin there. If you had told them in hindsight, hey,

1103
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin's not going to be there for you at

1104
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: one o three, right, then they probably do package the

1105
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: pick and try.

1106
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Realistically, you should not have expected Troy Franklin be there

1107
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: at one o three.

1108
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little bit of a dice roll

1109
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: and it didn't work out. So that's a second guest

1110
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: for sure. I agree with you. You could have packed of

1111
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: Joe's pick. I think that they probably would have preferred

1112
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: to just dump the pick altogether, yeah, and move back. Uh,

1113
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: after Troy Franklin went off the board, and they didn't

1114
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: really it's just a guess. They didn't have any suitors,

1115
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 3: so they just took the best player.

1116
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised by that. But or maybe they just

1117
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: wanted too much for the pick.

1118
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think that, you know, they didn't

1119
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: make any extra picks, and I do think they wanted

1120
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: more picks. I believe Elliot Wolf when he said that

1121
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: he would have preferred to add more picks. I just

1122
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 3: don't think that they necessarily had the trade to make

1123
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: it happen, and I do. I actually really did like

1124
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: the pick swap with the Chargers. Yeah, because of the

1125
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: way the draft dropped off after the top like one

1126
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five players.

1127
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: Or so, right, they didn't need one. Every time I

1128
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: was doing a mock draft, one thirty seven was just

1129
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: an annoying pick. It was just in the middle of nowhere, right,

1130
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with them given that up.

1131
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: But again, could they've given that up to maybe move

1132
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: up from thirty four? Yeah, I just ate, Well, I

1133
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: guess they couldn't.

1134
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: They probably tried to move up from thirty four with it. Yeah,

1135
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: But I really like that pick swap trade. Yeah. It

1136
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: was because they moved up twenty seven spots into a

1137
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: spot where now you're you're getting a top one hundred

1138
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: player in Javon Baker with that pick. If you look

1139
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 3: back at it's gonna be Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, Yeah,

1140
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: versus Lad McConkey and some dude i'd never heard of

1141
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: that the trial was drafted.

1142
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kid from Maryland. Yeah, he's a corner.

1143
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like the Patriots side of that trade.

1144
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, me too, So those are your alignment.

1145
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: I guess really quickly with Laden Robinson before we move on,

1146
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 3: what does this say about the guards that are already

1147
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 3: in the building?

1148
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: Nothing good?

1149
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: Nothing good?

1150
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: And in Cole Strange, we saw the pictures last week.

1151
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: Did he's still in the street clothes, so you wonder

1152
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: what his status is? And yeah, between him, you know what,

1153
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: I think City SO is probably safe because I think

1154
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: they you know, if Mike Winner is going to play tackle,

1155
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: but we could have a wide open competition at left

1156
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: guard come training camp.

1157
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: I would love that, you know me, I have no

1158
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: reason whatsoever to give that job to Cole Strange, Like

1159
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: there's no reason to have him sharpened into that spot,

1160
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: none whatsoever. I think that he is one hundred and

1161
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 3: ten percent competing for that job.

1162
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it should be.

1163
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: I would actually think that City So is more entrenched

1164
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: at right guard at this point. Cole Straan, you know,

1165
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stay healthy, has been up and

1166
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: down when he has been out there, right I think

1167
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: he's competing for that spot. And if Laden Robinson's better

1168
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: than he is, then Laden Robinson should play. I think

1169
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 3: Mafi you saw a lot of the movement and range

1170
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: be a real concern last year. Is he a fine

1171
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 3: you know fourth lineman that you know is going to

1172
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: be an interior depth guy for his career. Yeah, I

1173
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: mean I think he is an NFL player, but he

1174
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: is not. He's not a starter. I just don't see starter.

1175
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: And so between City Soo, Leyden Robinson Cole Strange, you

1176
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: need to have two of those guys turn out to

1177
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 3: be decent players and then you're all right. I think

1178
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: Jake Andrews' center, I think so. I think that's where

1179
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: they're at. But yeah, that was definitely one takeaway Laden

1180
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: Robinson was, you know, what's it say about the guards

1181
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: that they have in the building. And the other takeaway

1182
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: is this is a this is a classic patriot guard,

1183
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: like this is a in a phone booth, people mover

1184
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: downhill guard. I was actually surprised by that this is

1185
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 3: not a zone blocking guard in my opinion. Now, maybe

1186
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: they feel differently and they're more than the title to

1187
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 3: tell me I'm an idiot, but I don't necessarily see

1188
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: the lateral movement or the explosion out of his stance

1189
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: to be like a great you know, combo reach blocker

1190
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 3: and outside zone. So maybe they're gonna be a little

1191
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: bit more gap heavy than we thought. Maybe that's looking

1192
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: way too much into a fourth round pick and they

1193
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: dis liked the player and they'll figure it all out later.

1194
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: But it will be interesting to see if it's on

1195
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: WHENU so andrews Robinson and then whatever happens at left tackle,

1196
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: that's not exactly like a dynamic athletic zone blocking line,

1197
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not really filled with a bunch

1198
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 3: of guys that outside zone is a huge fit for.

1199
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: So maybe they become more of like a counter crack

1200
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: toss you know, that kind of downhill team or gap

1201
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 3: team which you can you know, run bootlegs and still

1202
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: move the pocket off of things like that. So be

1203
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: interesting to see how they they go about that, because

1204
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: it doesn't really seem like on paper that they have

1205
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: an outside zone offensive line. You know, you look at

1206
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: the Packers, you look at the Niners, you look at

1207
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: those teams in the in the Falcons like in the

1208
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: past when they've been in a really like a North

1209
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: Turner type offense. They draft these like you know, cold

1210
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: strangers like three hundred pounds, super athletic offensive linemen that

1211
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: are not big, that are not necessarily great anchors or

1212
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: people movers, but are very very good laterally. And the

1213
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: Patriot that's not Leyden Robinson. They did not draft a

1214
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: great lateral mover here, so it'd be interesting to see

1215
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: where they go. All right, here we go, keep going down.

1216
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Dial came first, right, yep, before your boy Marcella's dial.

1217
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I think that this is exactly you ready to spin

1218
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: the dial on defense seven?

1219
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: Well done. I think that this is exactly what we

1220
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: thought they might do in terms of targeting a day

1221
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: three corner. You target a day three corner with some traits,

1222
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: some speed, you know, mid four to four guy, some length,

1223
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: some good ball skills. Got his hands on a lot

1224
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: of passes, yeah, thirty one pass deflections I think it was,

1225
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: or pass breakups. This is a developmental outside corner that

1226
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: has might have some free safety flex to him as

1227
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: well if he fails at outside corner, and we can

1228
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: talk about why he might fail. I could see with

1229
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: his ball skills and the amount of you know, ballhowking

1230
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: instincts that he seems to have by getting his hand

1231
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: on thirty one passes in college. I could see him

1232
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: potentially moving to free safety at the league. And he's

1233
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: got that four four speed to have the range to

1234
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: do it as well, So I think there's some free

1235
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: safety ability there. But I think he starts a corner

1236
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: and they try to have him develop an outside corner.

1237
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: The big thing for me with him, very clean player,

1238
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: wasn't penalized a lot in college, and that's huge for them.

1239
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: That's huge. So you take out with that size, who

1240
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: has clean hands, who's not too grabby, and you coach

1241
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: him up from there. Maybe he does play some safety too.

1242
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: I think he's an ideal special teams fit, another high

1243
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: character guy. I think that was obviously a focus, so

1244
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, though I nothing against dial like,

1245
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. But if you were

1246
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: to ask me if they you know, if you're telling

1247
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: me they're only going to pick one player on defense,

1248
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: what position? I would have thought defensive line at rusher

1249
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: because all of those guys, well, now Barmore is resigned,

1250
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: but you know, so it's Barmore, Keon White, Sam Roberts,

1251
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings. That's it up front for guys signed beyond

1252
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: this year. Godshaw's an pending free agent. Equality is a

1253
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: pending free agent whom they signed what's his name from

1254
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Armon wats Down a one year deal, like

1255
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: all those guys, even even Jeremiah Farm's on a one

1256
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: year contract. Like all these guys are pending free agents.

1257
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: So I thought they tried to get ahead of it

1258
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: and just add a body up front. I don't even

1259
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: they didn't even add a UDFA defensive lineman. They did

1260
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: add an edge rusher, Jet Bush, but that that was

1261
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: surprised and look good for them because they needed help

1262
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: in the secondary too. And if you're telling me, he

1263
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: just played corner, so it's a lot harder for me

1264
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: to project him as a free safety. But if you're

1265
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: telling me you think he can, he can play free safety.

1266
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: Like obviously, I was hammering the tables at for any

1267
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: great I was just a little surprised. I thought the

1268
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: defensive pick was gonna come up front.

1269
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: Me too, and I Gabe Davis, Gabe Murphy went undrafted, Yeah,

1270
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: which is crazy. I mean, I know he's undersize, but

1271
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: that was crazy to me. I thought that somebody liked that,

1272
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, chest piece up front. Rush in line, rush outside.

1273
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: Maybe take josh U Jay's position in a year from now.

1274
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: But I think one of the things that Gerardmeo said

1275
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: after the draft was that some of these second and

1276
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: third year players, they want to give those guys opportunities.

1277
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: And so I look up front a guy like Keon White.

1278
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Kean White. I never have

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Speaker 3: loved Keon White in a two point stands up on

1280
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Speaker 3: his feet. I think he's too clunky for that. I

1281
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: think he's too heavy for But maybe Kean White comes

1282
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: in a little bit slimmer, comes in a little bit faster,

1283
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Speaker 3: more explosive, and he does play up up, you know,

1284
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Speaker 3: up on his feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that they were maybe a little cognizanto that

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Speaker 3: that they didn't necessarily want to bury some of these

1288
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Speaker 3: guys from last year's draft or two drafts ago, or

1289
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Speaker 3: like a guy like you know, Alex Austin, you know,

1290
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Speaker 3: on the outside, right, Yeah, I think that they wanted

1291
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: some opportunities to let just go into camp and see

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Speaker 3: what those guys have. But I'm with you, I thought

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Speaker 3: it would be defensive line. The one thing about Dial

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: is that he has, you know, good ball skills, good

1295
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 3: instincts with the football, you know, back to the to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback to to read the football and read the

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Speaker 3: cash point. He has this little hitch in his in

1298
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Speaker 3: his turn and run where you know when he flips

1299
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Speaker 3: and runs, he like has it almost is like he

1300
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: gets stuck in neutral for a second and then it

1301
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: opens up right and so fast, like really dynamic out

1302
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: side receivers like he's gonna see in the NFL, they're

1303
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: gonna eat it up when he does that, and he

1304
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: has a good recovery speed to maybe make up for it.

1305
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: But there's this is it's a weird thing. It's almost

1306
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: like he presses pause or like the controller brakes or

1307
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 3: something like that, and then he goes. And so if

1308
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 3: they can clean that up, you know, that's what Mike

1309
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: Pelgreeno is here for. And he's he's pretty good at

1310
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: developing they do.

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Speaker 1: He dials the exact kind of corner that they've done

1312
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: a great job developing for years and years and years

1313
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: and turning into a player. So yeah, I'm not I'm

1314
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: not telling you he's automatically gonna be a hit, but

1315
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm not running him off either. Yeah.

1316
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Speaker 3: Before we get to your favorite pick of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we got another guy to go, and then he

1318
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: gets my favorite.

1319
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Speaker 3: funds out, So get ready for warmer weather. The latest

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Speaker 3: now to embrace springtime at Bob's Discount Furniture, the official

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Speaker 3: furniture store of the New England Patriots. Alex, your favorite

1327
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: pick in the draft. I don't want it. Don't don't

1328
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: lie to me.

1329
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: I thought you're screwing with me. When he texted me,

1330
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: don't lie to me.

1331
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: I jumped out of my seat upstairs in the admin level,

1332
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: stared Admin Neil Perry in the eyes and said, you

1333
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: are effing kidding me?

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? Literally?

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Speaker 3: When he said out loud, Joe Milton the third, I

1336
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: couldn't believe it. There was two picks that maybe got

1337
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: me out of my seat. Javon Baker was pumped about

1338
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 3: that pick, especially after the guard, like, God, shoot me right,

1339
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: and then they make the Javon Baker pick it. That's

1340
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: not against Leyden Robinson, by the way, it's just the

1341
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: pos position. Yeah, and then they make the Javon Baker pick.

1342
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 3: I got probably a little bit too excited about that.

1343
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: Not gonna lie. And then they go Joe Milton the

1344
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: third and I was my jaw was on the floor.

1345
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: I was I So, here's the thing.

1346
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think they do it because I thought if

1347
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: they after Joe Milton was going to have to be

1348
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: at one thirty seven.

1349
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1350
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: I thought one of these, you know, next year quarterback teams,

1351
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: the Giants, the Raiders, the Saints, and the Saints did

1352
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: end up taking a quarterback. They took Spencer Rattler. I

1353
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: thought one of these teams was going to be like, yeah,

1354
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: we may need a quarterback anyway next year, so let

1355
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: this guy's got a ton of traits. Let's bring him

1356
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: in and see and maybe we save ourselves having going

1357
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: to the carousel next year. And I think part of

1358
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Speaker 1: the reason he fell is just quarterbacks as a whole.

1359
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: How many times did I say during the pre draft process,

1360
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks, either take him first to take him last.

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Speaker 3: That's what this draft was.

1362
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the new NFL philosophy.

1363
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: The day two quarterback is kind of unnecessary.

1364
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: There was a huge gap between bow.

1365
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: Knicks' it was the biggest in NFL history and Spencer

1366
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: rattling right it was it's like one hundred and fifty

1367
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: something picks. It's the biggest in NFL history. And I

1368
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: think that's going to become the new norm. I think

1369
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: the guys that are day two fringe picks are just

1370
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: going to start going in the first round because teams

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: don't have the stomach to wait on him. That's exactly

1372
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: what happen with Bo Nicks. If you read Albert Brier

1373
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: yesterday and then you know, so all right, all the

1374
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: day two quarterbacks are going on Day one, and that

1375
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: just leaves you with Day three. So I thought the

1376
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: Patriot's gonna have to take Joe Milton at one thirty seven,

1377
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: which I just thought, with all their other needs, was

1378
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: too much. It was too much. I would not have

1379
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: liked to pick at one thirty seven at one ninety three.

1380
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the six and seventh round of

1381
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Most of the time, like sometimes you're

1382
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: looking for specialists or maybe guys fall because like Kishon

1383
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: Booty last year was like this really unique situation. But

1384
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: most of the time, on Day three, you're drafting individual traits.

1385
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: You're not drafting a player and saying, we like this

1386
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: player's full makeup. It's this guy does this one thing

1387
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: at an incredibly high level and maybe the rest of

1388
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: his game isn't what it needs to be, but we

1389
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: want to see if we can find a way to

1390
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: use this one thing and make it great. That's usually

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Speaker 1: what you're drafting late on Day three. And I would argue,

1392
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Speaker 1: of the individual traits in this draft, if Joe Milton's

1393
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: arm strength isn't number one, it's in the top three.

1394
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: I think the three most impressive physical traits in this

1395
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: draft outright are to and Andre Sweat's size and power.

1396
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: Like that's one thing, right, that big, that powerful, Xavier

1397
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: Worthy speed. Yeah, in Joe Milton's arm, I don't think

1398
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: there's a single trait in the draft that's more that

1399
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: you know that's the top tier. If rank them how

1400
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: you want, I think honestly i'd put Sweat and then

1401
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: Milton and then Worthy. That's how i'd rank them. Yeah,

1402
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: but you weren't getting Tovandre Sweat at one ninety three.

1403
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: You weren't getting Xavier Worthy at one ninety three. So

1404
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: with Joe Milton, like, yeah, sign me up for the trade.

1405
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't see the downside here. It's one hundred and

1406
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: ninety third pick. If you want to wet your pants

1407
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: over the one hundred and ninety third pick, I guess

1408
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: go for it. Have fun.

1409
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: This is That is one of my pet peeves about

1410
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: the draft. And I've been trying to be better about

1411
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 3: this and not pick on on on our listeners who

1412
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 3: are awesome or whatever.

1413
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: Right, but our listeners are smarter.

1414
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: But one of the one of my biggest nitpicks are

1415
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: pet pees oft the draft is people that get upset

1416
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: over six and seve and round picks. Right, guys, these

1417
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: are these are the lottery tickets of lottery.

1418
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: Unless it's a guy where like you object, you know,

1419
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: if if there's something you're like, oh, this guy will

1420
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: be bad for the team. Usually that's off the fields,

1421
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: right Joe Milton. Joe Milton is like the man, Yeah

1422
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: Joe Milton. Everybody you talked to, no, but but you listened.

1423
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: Like my my favorite was the combin just because.

1424
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: Throat he turns around, he's not even looking I know

1425
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: it's it's he's so cool. So and he all said

1426
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't like the Bazuka Joe nickname.

1427
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: Too bad.

1428
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 1: No, no, I respect another.

1429
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: If he has another one, I'll call him.

1430
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: I gotta find it. I think it was like mister

1431
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: Rocket or something.

1432
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: Okay, well we should like get that because I I

1433
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com. I should not be writing Bazuka Joe

1434
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: if he doesn't like Bazuka Joe.

1435
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: So, uh, we'll come up with We'll find it. Our

1436
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: friend Zach you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Zach.

1437
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce his last name, but he you know,

1438
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: he's started covering the Patriots this year. He he he

1439
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: interviewed Joe Milton Combine and first off came across great

1440
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: and all. He also said Bazuka Joe's not his favorite

1441
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: nickname because he I'll try to find it. But so,

1442
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: here's the thing with the pick. Is Joe Milton going

1443
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: to Kirk Cousins Drake May I don't think so.

1444
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's acting way more tame inside you were

1445
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: you were way more excited than this. Yeah, admitt it.

1446
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: I got more calls and texts after they picked you. You

1447
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: got drafted. It felt like I got you got drafted.

1448
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: It really was insane, Like I'm trying to write the

1449
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: thing and my phone wouldn't stop because I heard more

1450
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: people after they picked Joe Milton than I heard from

1451
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: on my birthday. I'm not kidding, I'm not It's not

1452
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: a joke. I'm serious.

1453
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: So I remember to issue a happy birthday this year.

1454
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: You did. Yeah, this here by the way I found it.

1455
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: So Joe Milton, Joe Milton. This is from Zach Ventola

1456
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: at any Patriots Ay on Twitter, interviewed Joe Milton at

1457
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: Sea Bowl. It's a terrible name. A Bazuka can only

1458
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: go so far. And he he likes miss to rocket

1459
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: mister Rockett.

1460
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, maybe Rocket.

1461
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: Shoe, maybe Joe Rockett. Uh maybe so anyway, so here's

1462
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing with the pick back to

1463
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: the player, back to the player. But I want to

1464
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: make sure, all right, when we're talking about mister Rocket.

1465
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: He I'm sorry that doesn't work for me.

1466
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, So, yeah, is he gonna Kirk Cousins strike?

1467
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: May probably not, But there's a couple of ways you

1468
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: can go here, Like he's gonna tear it up in

1469
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: the preseason yep, because he was good enough last year

1470
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: at Tennessee and when you get into the second half

1471
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: of these preseason games, it's basically the guys he was

1472
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: playing at Tennessee. Like it's called like football.

1473
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: A better version of Elie Cunningham, and that's it.

1474
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: It's good. There's gonna be a lot. He was a

1475
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: year too early because if he was in the Elie

1476
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: Cunningham role last year, yeah, oh boy, that would have

1477
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: gotten ye. But you know, he's gonna tear it up.

1478
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a potential for him to be a

1479
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: package player. He's not gonna play tight end. He was

1480
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 1: very definitive about that. I don't think which he shouldn't.

1481
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: He shouldn't know, and everybody's like, oh, big guy, I

1482
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: don't know that he can play tight end because one

1483
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: of the big issues with him at quarterbacks is his footwork.

1484
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: How's he going to run routes? And he's fast. I

1485
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: don't know that he's fast enough to separate. He's more

1486
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: The reason he's an effective runner is because he's sixty

1487
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: five two hundred and thirty five pounds. Yeah, and he

1488
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: gets the outside against corners who have no shot to

1489
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: tackle him. So he's a quarterback and good for him

1490
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: for one to stick there and all that. But when

1491
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: I say package player, this is actually a So I'm

1492
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: not gonna say Taysom Hill because that's not But when

1493
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: Jacoby Burssett was in Indy with Andrew Luck, do you

1494
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: remember this, They would use Jacoby Brissett for Hail Mary's

1495
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: quarterback sneaks and they had one sort of designed read

1496
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: option package for him on offense that role for Joe

1497
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: because and look, can can Drake may throw him Mary's. Yes,

1498
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: he has a big arm, but it's not his big

1499
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: as Joe Miltons. Can Drake may run with the football? Yes,

1500
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: but if you need short yardage, why have your third

1501
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: overall pick take the beating When you can throw Joe Million,

1502
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: who's bigger and more powerful of a runner, you can

1503
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: put him out there and let him go be a

1504
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: move and then maybe you have some other pet you

1505
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: have basically the Malie Cunningham package where it's mainly read

1506
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: option and there's a couple options for him to throw

1507
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: off of it. Yeah, like that could be a valuable

1508
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: role and who knows, maybe, like everybody rode off and

1509
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the Taysom Hill comp because

1510
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: again I don't think Joe Milton's gonna play tight end,

1511
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: nor should he. But remember when there were teams that

1512
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: were willingly give up like a second round pick for

1513
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill off of that weird package they were doing.

1514
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: So that's an interesting.

1515
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: So can you develop Joe Milton enough he got trade value?

1516
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a second round pick for him,

1517
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't think, because he's just older, Like he's too

1518
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: old for that. But if you draft Joe Milton in

1519
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: the sixth round in two years, you trade him for

1520
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: a fourth, it did pretty well. So there's a number.

1521
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: In worst case scenario, he doesn't make the team the

1522
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: way most six round picks don't, and we get a

1523
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: fun preseason. This will be the most exciting preseason in

1524
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: Patriots history. I've said that, But you know, worst case

1525
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: scenario doesn't make the team. We got, you know, a

1526
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: couple of fun preseason games out of it, whatever, so

1527
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: be it. So I obviously like to pick that, And

1528
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: that's that's my thought.

1529
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 3: That that picked up momentum like I wanted it to

1530
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: there at the end. At first, you were trying to

1531
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 3: like the lines. Yes, if if you need somebody to

1532
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: throw out five yards, he'll throw it eighty.

1533
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: Everybody knows the lines. But yeah, I know, now he's here,

1534
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give my football take on No.

1535
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: I no, no, I didn't mean it like that. I

1536
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 3: just meant like, I know you're you at first were

1537
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 3: trying to be not excited about the pick, and then

1538
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 3: and then you picked up the.

1539
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: Moment I'm excited, and then I just what do you

1540
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: want me? I can't do a backflot. If I could

1541
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: do a backflip and I do it right, but I can't.

1542
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 3: So so here are my thoughts on the pick. First

1543
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 3: of all, I watched the tape that I watched of

1544
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: his I watched too. I watched Alabama and I watched Vanderbilt,

1545
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: which was his best game vander I know Vanderbilt stings,

1546
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: but he lit it up. He threw like four touchdowns,

1547
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: like three hundred plus yards in that game. So I

1548
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: just watched it to see what what it looked like

1549
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 3: at its peak. But against Alabama, he threw a touchdown

1550
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 3: pass against Alabama, Oh that was about like forty five

1551
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 3: yards in the air. And uh when I say rocket launcher.

1552
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, did you watch the Kentucky game? No,

1553
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: not yet? Watch more. Okay, I only watched a couple

1554
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: before the Kentucky game. Is the quint essential Joe Milton,

1555
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 1: Like I've been down it's it's just so it's funny

1556
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,799
Speaker 1: the when when they drafted him and I saw somebody

1557
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: put out like a highlight reel of Joe Milton. The

1558
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: first play is an incompletion, but he throws the ball

1559
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: seventy six yards off his back foot on a dot. Yeah,

1560
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: and it's an incompletion, but it doesn't matter. And that's

1561
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: Joe Milton. It's the Joe Milton experience, and it's in

1562
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: its essence. Yeah.

1563
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 3: I think what stood out about the throw against Alabama,

1564
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: which I'm sure you remember. Yeah, the biggest thing I

1565
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: think that stood out about one the touchdown of the

1566
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: pylon right yeah, yeah, like down the left sideline and

1567
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 3: the receiver had to like reach.

1568
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: Out for it a little. I think that's score a white.

1569
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 3: I think that the biggest thing that stood out to

1570
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: me was that this thing was on a line, Like

1571
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: it's not like this thing is like it's is he

1572
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 3: he can throw the tear drop right, but he's not.

1573
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, people needn't understand that. It's not just oh

1574
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: he throws the ball far, No, he hes the ball

1575
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: through the door. Do you remember the old Peyton Manning

1576
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: sprint commercially? Yeah, you know, if you're like six ft five,

1577
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pound quarterbacks, laser rocket arm, Yeah,

1578
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: Joe Milton.

1579
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can throw the ball on a line fifty

1580
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: yards in the air.

1581
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1582
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: It is an absolute rocket launcher. And I think the

1583
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: one thing that I was even mostly impressed with is

1584
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: that usually when you have these six foot five hundred

1585
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 3: and thirty eight pound quarterbacks with rocket arms, it's this

1586
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: long wind up thing right, Like he gets it out quick. No,

1587
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 3: that's he's got a snappy release. Man.

1588
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough. The thing that's so much

1589
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: fun about Joe Milton, that's so exciting about Joe Milton.

1590
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Yeah, like most of what he does,

1591
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: he's the only quarterback on the planet that can do it. Yeah,

1592
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: you're not really supposed to be able to off your

1593
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: front foot half release on a clothesline fifty five yards. Now, Again,

1594
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to control it. And that's why

1595
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: he was a SI round picking on a first round

1596
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: pick because he can't always control it. But some of

1597
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: the throws he makes are truly one of one. They

1598
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: were just in college in the NFL. You're not gonna

1599
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: find anybody else who can do that.

1600
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I it's a rocket launcher. It's not this

1601
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 3: that we're not talking about, like teardrop bombs. We're talking

1602
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: about there's smoke on the ball, right, it's a rocket launcher.

1603
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: I was really I don't know if you sorry to

1604
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 3: cut you off again.

1605
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this story. His receivers

1606
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: at Tennessee would wear two pairs of gloves because they

1607
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: were worried, I would their fingers being broken.

1608
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: I would not want to catch that ball.

1609
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1610
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 3: I was really impressed with his actual mechanics in terms

1611
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: of his throwing. Yeah, in terms of like rotating on

1612
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: the axis and in getting the ball out quickly in

1613
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: that compact release. The way that he throws the ball

1614
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 3: mechanically is actually not all that far off from Jaden Daniels.

1615
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 3: He just has a And I say that because Jade

1616
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 3: Daniels I think had probably the clean his mechanics in

1617
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: the draft is Himmer McCarthy. Yeah, so really really clean.

1618
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about footwork. I'm talking about actual

1619
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 3: mechanical chain of your body, you know, hips, shoulders rotating

1620
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 3: on that axis, a compact release. I was really impressed

1621
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: with all that. His footwork is very inconsistent, Like sometimes

1622
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 3: he's got this, he's really light on his feet and

1623
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: he dances around pressure and he steps into throws and

1624
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 3: things like that, and other times it looks like he's

1625
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: stuck in mud.

1626
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: Right, it's odd. But even when that happens, sometimes it

1627
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he doesn't put his feet into the

1628
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: throw and he still throws.

1629
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, but where it does matter is with his accuracy, right,

1630
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, and that's he's gonna spray the ball over

1631
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: the place and his decision making can he can lose

1632
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: the radar can shut off.

1633
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: Well, now, what you make of him saying that his

1634
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: favorite quarterback to watch is Brock Party.

1635
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 3: Oh God, I could not see a more polar opposite quarterback.

1636
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: I like that because he said he goes Brock Purty

1637
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: is really good footwork. Yeah, and that's why he watches

1638
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: Brock Party because he wants to improve his footwork. Yeah,

1639
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: that's that's real self awareness. Like, good for him.

1640
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: I've said multiple times with Joe Milton, he's Day three, Anthony.

1641
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: Anthony richards said, well, no, he's Day three.

1642
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: Drake May.

1643
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 3: I I don't think so, No, No, I think Drake

1644
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 3: May is more naturally like instinctually a football player. I

1645
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 3: think Joe Milton is toolsy and he can run too.

1646
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 3: We should you know four six speak Yeah, Yeah, good runner,

1647
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 3: especially scrambling.

1648
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like you can't let him out of the pocket

1649
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: because he will kill you.

1650
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. Day three Anthony Richardson. You know, and and at

1651
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,520
Speaker 3: this point in the draft, Howie Roseman was doing a

1652
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: press conference and I thought that he gave one of

1653
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 3: the best answers I've heard about what Day three of

1654
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: the draft is all about. And it was exactly what

1655
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: you said just a minute ago. At Day three, you're

1656
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: drafting a trait. Yeah, and it better be special if

1657
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: you think that that guy's going to pan out in

1658
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 3: the league.

1659
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: Right.

1660
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 3: You're the guys that have sixteen different positives on their

1661
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: scouting reporter gone. So you're looking for one thing that

1662
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,879
Speaker 3: separates this player from that player. And with Joe Milton,

1663
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. The arm talent is different

1664
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: than anybody else, and so you're taking a chance on

1665
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: the arm talent, and maybe AVP and Ben mcaduw behind

1666
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 3: the scenes can get him coached up. I think the

1667
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 3: biggest thing is is that, like you mentioned, best case scenario,

1668
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 3: he's Kirk Cousins, right, And I'm not saying that that's

1669
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 3: what we want to happen. I'm just saying if it

1670
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 3: does happen, it does happen. Worst case scenario, he doesn't

1671
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 3: make the team. Middle scenario, hangs out around here for

1672
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 3: a year or two, develops lights it up in the preseason,

1673
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: and maybe he has some trade value down the load,

1674
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 3: down the road. With all that being said, I think

1675
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 3: we have to be a little bit fair and not hypocritical.

1676
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: I don't love it for Drake May.

1677
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: I do like how he's handling it.

1678
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 3: I like how he's handling it. But we talked about

1679
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 3: this all the time with Mac Jones. It's a little

1680
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 3: bit of mind games out of the gate because let's

1681
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: face it, in shorts and a T shirt come into

1682
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 3: May early June when we go out there for mini camp,

1683
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 3: Joe Milton is gonna look just as impressive and shorts

1684
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: and a T shirt as Drake May, if not more.

1685
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: And my concern is not us, not the people here,

1686
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 3: not the people listening, because they're educated. My my, my

1687
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: concern is that we're gonna get reports and we're gonna

1688
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 3: get buzz that Joe Milton looks better than Drake May.

1689
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say to that. I and how

1690
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: do I don't disagree?

1691
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 3: How does Drake May handle that?

1692
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 2: Right?

1693
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: We were very hypocritical, and I think Drake, if Drake

1694
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: May can't handle it, he's not gonna be able to

1695
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: handle this league.

1696
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: That's fair.

1697
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: So there's that side of it. This is this is

1698
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: the packaway. They're gonna draft a quarterback every year, every

1699
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: other year. This is what they're gonna need to do.

1700
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: He's got to get used to it. So in that sense,

1701
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's pushing buttons too much. If they

1702
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: start fooling around with the depth chart and they start

1703
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: being unclear about who's playing and things like that, then yes,

1704
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: then it's too much. For now. We want Drake May

1705
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: to be in this league for twenty years, right, Yeah,

1706
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to draft other quarterbacks over the

1707
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: next twenty years. That's just it's gonna there's no number.

1708
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: But if Tom Brady can get insecure Let's face it,

1709
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 3: that's what he was insecure about Jimmy Garoppolo.

1710
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: But what did he do with it? That was that

1711
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: was the goat.

1712
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 3: But that's so that he was already well established into

1713
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: his career.

1714
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: Let's see if Drake may can use it to fuel him.

1715
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. You're right, we shouldn't be hypocritical.

1716
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: And we said they pushed the buttons too much with

1717
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy and mac Jones, and that's a fair point.

1718
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're gonna draft quarterbacks.

1719
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't love it for that reason.

1720
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: If if this is it what.

1721
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 3: I like Joe Milton, Yeah, I don't love the pick.

1722
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: If what Joe Milden in the sixth round is enough

1723
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: to ruin Drake Man, he was probably not gonna make

1724
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: it to me. And I think he's mentally tougher in that.

1725
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: But we always say this, why why like why even

1726
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 3: why even put that out?

1727
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: Because their philosophy they always draft. They are in draft

1728
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: quarterback next year or the year after. This is what

1729
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: they do.

1730
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 3: And it's also the Packer way too right, That's.

1731
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. So just he's got to get used

1732
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: to it. If he can't handle just this. That's more

1733
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: of a red flag about Drake May than is about

1734
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: to front.

1735
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 3: Ye, I hear you. But we always said with Mac

1736
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: that you're testing him just to test them.

1737
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: Well, that was to another level drafting Bay. I when

1738
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: they drafted Bailey's Appy, I liked it. I did. I said,

1739
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 1: this is good. They need a long term backup. Brian

1740
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: Hoyer is on the older side Bailey. Remember my comport

1741
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy the whole time was Chase Daniel. This guy's

1742
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: gonna be in the league for fifteen years and he'll

1743
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe throw a total of one hundred passes. Yeah, like

1744
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: that's who I thought, And you need that guy. You

1745
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: need a good backup quarterback. That's important. If you know

1746
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: they start pulling Drake May out of games, and I

1747
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: don't mean like in a package sense, I mean if

1748
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: they start benching Drake May for Joe Milton after one

1749
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: interception coming off injury, then yeah, I'll say it's too much.

1750
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: If if Mayo refuses to say Drake May's name and

1751
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: only talks about Joe Milton, then yeah, I'll say it's

1752
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: too much because it will be too much.

1753
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 3: But we both know, I we both know that it

1754
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 3: happened with Maleik Cunningham. Yes, we both know that there's

1755
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 3: gonna be a section of people that are going to

1756
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 3: sit there and always say they should try out Joe Milton,

1757
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: they should.

1758
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: Try it, and it's absolutely gonna happen.

1759
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: And thus Drake May is justin Herbert right out of

1760
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 3: the gate is just awesome. But Evan, that's always gonna

1761
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: be they.

1762
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: Didn't draft Joe Milton, there were gonna be people saying

1763
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: that about Bailey's appy. Oh no, come on, yeah, there's

1764
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: some people saying it. As soon as they draft.

1765
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 3: As soon as people here see Drake May throw football,

1766
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 3: they're gonna forget all about Bailey's appy, right, And Joe Milton.

1767
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: I don't know about that because Joe Milton's gonna throw

1768
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: the football just as pretty.

1769
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Look I'm being I'm you're right, we should be intellectually consistent.

1770
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was fine when they drafted Bailey Zappy

1771
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: a year after, and it's a little different at the

1772
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: same draft, but drafting Bailey Zappy after Mac Jones at

1773
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: the time made a ton of sense because they needed

1774
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Jacoby Rissett's not here beyond this year

1775
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: they needed a backup quarterback. Joe Milton stylistically is similar

1776
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: to Drake May. That makes him a good backup quarterback

1777
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: for Drake May because they can run the same offense.

1778
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: If it doesn't go any further than that, it's a

1779
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: good pick. If they start screwing around with the dynamic,

1780
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: then yes, that's gonna be a problem, just like it

1781
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: was before.

1782
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: The outside of this is gonna screw where I went.

1783
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 3: It's that, and I agree with you, and I feel

1784
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: like people are gonna geah, oh he should be tough. Yeah,

1785
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 3: he should be mentally tougher than that. There's no doubt

1786
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: about it that he should be mentally tougher than that.

1787
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 3: But he was the He was the guy for like

1788
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: twelve hours. I already have people in my mentions talking

1789
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: about Joe Milton like being like, oh, you mean Joe Milton, right, Like, no.

1790
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: No, just Drake May is the guy. Wait till they

1791
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: get out and Drake May starts throwing the football, I hope.

1792
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 3: So I'm just telling you that I would have preferred

1793
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: if they had drafted Joe Milton next year like they

1794
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 3: drafted Bailey's a Happy next year. I would have been

1795
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 3: all fine with it. So let me ask I would

1796
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 3: have felt we could could we just have Drake May

1797
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: with a clean slate and just give him the quarterback

1798
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: room behind Jacoby Brissett, who we all know why Jacoby

1799
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 3: Brissett is here. Jacoby Brissett knows why he's here, and

1800
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 3: it's just a clean transition we don't need.

1801
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: Okay, first off, we don't even know Joe Mills. Second well,

1802
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: how would you felt if they drafted like Michael Pratt

1803
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: less as worried?

1804
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 3: Because my concern is is that it is really easy

1805
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: to get caught up in Joe Milton's physical trade. The right,

1806
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 3: the arm, and the and the mobility are.

1807
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Legit, but so they are for Drake May too. I know.

1808
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you that, like I keep saying,

1809
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 3: when we get out there for OTAs and we get

1810
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: out there for mini camp and it's shorts and a

1811
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 3: T shirt and it's and it's glorified seven on seven

1812
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. And on top of all

1813
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: of that, Joe Milton was in the college football for

1814
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 3: six years.

1815
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: He's much older. You might you might think higher of

1816
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: Joe Milton than I do.

1817
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: It's not about how high I think of Joe Milton.

1818
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that there's a world where Joe

1819
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: Milton and Drake May in Spring Mini Camp, Yeah, look

1820
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 3: about the same, Just like there was a world where

1821
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy at different points it looked

1822
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 3: about the same. And just like with them, we said

1823
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 3: this is unnecessary. Now I'm with you, they took it

1824
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 3: to a whole other level and hopefully this regime doesn't.

1825
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Right but I think so far, so far, it's I

1826
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: just know this usual. If they take it further than yes,

1827
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: it's an issue like it was with Mac and j.

1828
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to put anybody down in front

1829
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: some people, but I just know that there are gonna

1830
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 3: be some casual observers out there that aren't going to

1831
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:49,879
Speaker 3: know the difference.

1832
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: That's our job to educate them. That's just like we

1833
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: tried to do with Mac Jones and Bailey's Appy.

1834
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 3: All right, seventh round and then we'll open it up

1835
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: to end the show to the couple calls and emails

1836
01:25:59,200 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 3: and things like that.

1837
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: Seventh round.

1838
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 3: Jahem Bell, don't sleep on Jahem Bell.

1839
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: No pound for pound, like in terms of where they

1840
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: drafted him. All of that, I think jahem Bell's there bo.

1841
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: I mean Drake May's Drake May, right, but yeah, after

1842
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: Drake may chaheen Bell, all things considered, might be their

1843
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: best pick. He's one of them. Yeah, good pick. I

1844
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: had him. I had him as like a top one

1845
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: twenty guy. Yeah, and they got him at two thirty one.

1846
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, great value where they got him a clear role

1847
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: in an Alex Van Pelt offense and then in a

1848
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: you know, zone misdirection heavy offense, a clear role there.

1849
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I see, you know, I did leak.

1850
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: He's that motion tight end. Yeah. You know.

1851
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 3: He's a guy that can come underneath the formation and

1852
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 3: hit the flat and hit it with speed and then

1853
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 3: run after the catch with the ball in his hands.

1854
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 3: If he's got you know, a runway there in some

1855
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 3: open space, he can run the scene. He can run

1856
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 3: crossing routes. He's just not quicker, agile at the top

1857
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 3: of the route. Like if you're asking him to break

1858
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 3: down at the top of the route and beat Travis

1859
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: Kelcey and get open, that's not his game. But if

1860
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 3: you're just gonna set up ways for him to run

1861
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 3: four six across the field this way and run across

1862
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: the field that way and run up to see him

1863
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 3: here and that kind of stuff. I think Jacin Bell

1864
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 3: has a role on this team, Like there's a clear

1865
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 3: role of how they could use him as like an

1866
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 3: I want to call him my h back, a move

1867
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 3: tight end, off the line, tight end, whatever you want

1868
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 3: to play, fall back, Yeah, maybe a little bit of

1869
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: full back. I think there's a clear role for him

1870
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 3: on this team. I'm and I think you know, I'm

1871
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: a little bit excited about what they could potentially do

1872
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: with this guy. His catch and run skill is legit.

1873
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his again you're drafting on trade like his

1874
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: ability to to to make a play with the ball

1875
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: in his hands, that's what you're taking. I think part

1876
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: of the reason he fell, honestly, his teams didn't know

1877
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: what position he played. Yeah, he's such a tweeterer.

1878
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,879
Speaker 3: That well, because he's because of his size, his size,

1879
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 3: he's and.

1880
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: He didn't he very has to combine either.

1881
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 3: He ran like a four to six one, which is

1882
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: good for a tight end.

1883
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: And the way the tight ends ran this year, he

1884
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: was like you had you had Tip Raymond running a

1885
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: four or five. Yeah. By the way, Tip Raymond top

1886
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: one hundred pick smash mouth football not dead. Don't let

1887
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: anybody tell you otherwise.

1888
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 3: That was one of the bigger reaches.

1889
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: That was awesome. The tip Raymond going one hundred picks

1890
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,759
Speaker 1: before Troy Franklin loved like fifty picks before. Troy Franklin

1891
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: loved that. But you loved that.

1892
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 3: This is not a reach. This is the opposite.

1893
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: No, this is the opposite of reach. I think part

1894
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: of the reason he fell is is you're not gonna

1895
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: draft Jaheim Bell and plug him into a role that

1896
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: already exists in your offense, because outside of maybe Atlanta,

1897
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't think any teams have that role in their offense.

1898
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Like people want to compare Jaime Bell to Kyle Hughescheck,

1899
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: he's not Kyle Ucheck, that's not who he is. Yeah,

1900
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't know that his role exists. But for the

1901
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Patriots it's a unique opportunity where they're building their offense

1902
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: from scratch, so you can put in a role for

1903
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Jaheem Bell and you can kind of build up around him.

1904
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 3: I think in this type of scheme, you know.

1905
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to how much did the Browns us a

1906
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: fallback last year? Uh?

1907
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 3: They used it like an eligible offensive lineman is out

1908
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: they did. It was like he was like a center

1909
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: slash full back, is what they had them listed as.

1910
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 3: I think in this so he's six two two forty one,

1911
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: which for a tight end is extremely undersized. But his

1912
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: testing numbers are good. Uh he ran a uh he

1913
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 3: ran a four to six one, which is eighty eight

1914
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 3: percent dile for the forty yard dash. Uh, thirty five

1915
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 3: inch vertical seventy two percent.

1916
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Maybe something into the seats. Did he not have a

1917
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: good senior Bowl? He had something that.

1918
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I can look up

1919
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: his his RAS scorer. He's an athletic guy. There's no

1920
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 3: doubt about that.

1921
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, I think he tested. I

1922
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 1: think he's a better athlete than he tested.

1923
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean that's pretty good testing numbers.

1924
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, it is all right, well even better

1925
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: even better.

1926
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: Look I eight point four y five ris because of

1927
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: his size, obviously, that's gonna elite speed in great explosiveness,

1928
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 3: great like good find and he can you know, there's

1929
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 3: absolutely a role for him because he's not super. He

1930
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 3: doesn't overlap with Hunter Henry or Austin Hooper. There's different

1931
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 3: things he can do. He can make plays with the

1932
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 3: ball in his hands. I thought that was a tremendous pick.

1933
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: I was great. I couldn't believe he was still on

1934
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: the board at that point. A double check.

1935
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when they when they signed John new Smith

1936
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one.

1937
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so this is another one. Sorry. Remember how

1938
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I said, like, all right, you know Devonte Parker or

1939
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: Jayvon Baker kind of replaces Devonte Parker, Jalen Pole kind

1940
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: of replaces Jujus Smith, Schuster obviously not Lee not Apples

1941
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: to Apples player tight, but Leighton Robinson, Cole Strange, Drake May,

1942
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Yeah, this is another one. Jahem Bell, John

1943
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: new Smith.

1944
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so John new Smith in twenty twenty one. He's

1945
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 3: just not a fit for like a Josh McDaniel's type offense. No,

1946
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: he couldn't figure out the scheme touchgoyns.

1947
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1948
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 3: Now in this type of offense where you're hitting the

1949
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: defense with so much eye candy and misdirection, Yeah, where

1950
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: it's you know, look, we're gonna everybody's gonna move to

1951
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 3: the left, but then we're gonna bootleg and we're gonna

1952
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 3: actually hit the point of attack to the right. Things

1953
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 3: like that you create this this horizontal stretch to the field.

1954
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 3: That's the whole idea, right, is to stretch out the

1955
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 3: defense horizontally. And when you have these guys that are

1956
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 3: like Jaane Bell that are two forty and run a

1957
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 3: four to six to one, and you know, you stink

1958
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 3: them out the backside of the formation and now there

1959
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: should be green grass in front of them with the

1960
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 3: ball in their hands, and he's one of those guys

1961
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 3: that can eat up the green grass. That's the idea.

1962
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 3: That's again, it's similar to the receiver picks that they

1963
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 3: made earlier in the draft. There's a role and there's

1964
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,839
Speaker 3: like a projection of how this guy fits the offense.

1965
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 3: So what I look at and say about this draft

1966
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 3: a lot on the offensive side of the ball. I

1967
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 3: think the quarterback has to be like a top down

1968
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: organizational decision. Yeah, but when you look at some of

1969
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 3: these other players Baker, Jahan Bell, I think it tells

1970
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: you how much influenced Alx van Pelt and Ben mcadeu

1971
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 3: had in this draft of like this is how we're

1972
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: gonna this is what we're doing offensively, Like this is

1973
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 3: our scheme offensively, this is what we're building the playbook

1974
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 3: out of this. These are the types of skill sets

1975
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 3: that we need. And I think that that tipped the

1976
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 3: scales in a lot of these cases towards a Jalen Polk,

1977
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 3: towards the Javon Baker, towards the Jaem Bell, because those

1978
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: players do abc better than the guy that maybe we

1979
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 3: all had rated a little bit higher.

1980
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: Again, it's that it's that old belichickism, right, It's not

1981
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 1: about collecting talent, it's about building a team.

1982
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: All right, there's the draft.

1983
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: We did it.

1984
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 3: With time to spare. Let's answer some emails and some calls,

1985
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 3: and then you can give me your favorite UDFA. All right, Right,

1986
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 3: Todd is in North Carolina.

1987
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: What's up?

1988
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: Todd?

1989
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, just a quick thing that I'm a little

1990
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 2: concerned about with and just didn't seem all that comfortable

1991
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 2: or effective last year. He was on skates and more

1992
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: than a few times. And I know a young quarterbile

1993
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: even though veteran quarterback does not like to get pressure

1994
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 2: up the middle. Are you guys concerned it all with

1995
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 2: him a center? And do we have anybody to back

1996
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 2: him up at all?

1997
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Andrews, you're talking about right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

1998
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 3: it's a fair question, Todd, thanks for the call. Appreciated

1999
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,599
Speaker 3: as always. David Andrews in pass protection took a step

2000
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 3: back last year. There's no doubt about that. Now, the

2001
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 3: question is was he making up for so much what

2002
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 3: was going on at guard on to his left and

2003
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 3: his right that he was just you know, there's just

2004
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 3: too much to cover up. That's definitely possible. You know,

2005
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 3: your the offensive line is a five man unit. It's

2006
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 3: as good as the person next to you. If they're

2007
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 3: better at left guard and better at right guard this

2008
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: season next to David Andrews, does he have a much

2009
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 3: better year in pass protection? I think that's definitely possible.

2010
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

2011
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 3: With that being said, it's on my radar of is

2012
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 3: it start run blocking wise? He was still really good

2013
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 3: pass pro wise, he took a step back. Is he's

2014
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 3: starting to slip a little bit? It's potentially there. We

2015
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 3: mentioned him earlier in the show. They clearly drafted Jake

2016
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 3: Andrews as a long term center replacement for David Andrews.

2017
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 3: So do they have somebody in the building on paper? Yes,

2018
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jake Andrews can play. We saw

2019
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 3: him play for like one and a half games or

2020
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 3: something like that at the end of the year. But

2021
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 3: on paper, yes, they do have somebody that can play

2022
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 3: center long term in Jake Andrews. All Right, a couple

2023
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 3: of the questions here.

2024
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: See here.

2025
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that one's a detailed one. So there's one question

2026
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 3: here about something that I wrote about here. It is

2027
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 3: about if this draft, if Drake May hits, This is

2028
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 3: what I wrote in my recap of the draft. If

2029
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 3: Drake May hits, the draft is a success. Yes, and

2030
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 3: Paul here just wanted to push back a little bit

2031
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 3: on that and say and says, as a draft and

2032
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 3: developed team, if you only hit on one of eight picks,

2033
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 3: then how can it be a success. I just think

2034
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 3: that if you draft Drake May and he's a franchise quarterback,

2035
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 3: he's justin Herbert, Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud, whatever name

2036
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 3: you want to use, I think you'll figure out the rest.

2037
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not their last draft. I mean, does it

2038
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: slow down the process, absolutely, But if you have a

2039
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: we just saw what the kind of pretzel you have

2040
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: to go into when you need a quarterback. So not

2041
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: needing that freeze up a lot more down the road.

2042
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, A question about dial out free safety. We talked

2043
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 3: about that. I think that's a possibility. I think he

2044
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 3: starts at corner, but I think there is a possibility

2045
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 3: that he could play free safety down the road. Let's

2046
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 3: see what else we got here. There was one other

2047
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 3: good question. See now I'm like losing all these these places.

2048
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this was a question about Leyden Robinson, and

2049
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 3: I think we touched on this a little bit. But

2050
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 3: the question here is just if they saw guard as

2051
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 3: a need, then a you know, why wait so long

2052
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 3: to take a guard and then be also you know,

2053
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 3: why would they see guard as a need. I don't

2054
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 3: necessarily think that they saw guarded as a need. I

2055
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 3: think they saw offensive line as a need in improving

2056
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 3: the offensive line. And I mentioned earlier in the show

2057
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: when Troy Franklin went off the board to pick, before

2058
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 3: when Denver traded up into that pick. My guess is

2059
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 3: is that they just took the best player on their board,

2060
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 3: who happened to be Laden Robinson. Well, I don't think

2061
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 3: why was the guard rank so high on their board? Well,

2062
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 3: it's just it's not about positions, right, Like, it's just

2063
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 3: about I think there's a little bit of a factor there,

2064
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 3: not if you're just stacking the board, like if you're

2065
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 3: if you're talking about guys you're targeting right in the draft,

2066
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 3: and that the need obviously is a big play in there.

2067
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 3: But if you're just talking about purely who has the

2068
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 3: highest grade on this entire board, probably not as much.

2069
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: I I mean, I wouldn't feel great about it if

2070
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm cool strange.

2071
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's fair. Okay, this is a good question

2072
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 3: from Mauricio, he asks, And I will fully admit that

2073
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,879
Speaker 3: I do not think either one of us are prepared

2074
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 3: to stack these players right now in the twenty twenty

2075
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 3: five draft. But here, here we go, where the draft

2076
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 3: ended three days ago, and people are already asking us

2077
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 3: about the twenty twenty five draft. And I'm here for it.

2078
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready for it.

2079
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're actually gonna get into the college football

2080
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 1: of it all this year.

2081
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 3: We'll see how the Patriots are doing.

2082
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: We might have to get you the video games. You

2083
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: can really learn something.

2084
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 3: So like, you know, people, you know, people say that.

2085
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 3: We had somebody that replied to one of my tweets

2086
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: today and I was going to referm to you. He said,

2087
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: you know, it would be nice to know which games

2088
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 3: I should watch during the college football season to keep an.

2089
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: Eye on prospects. We'll get that.

2090
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 3: I gotta admit to you, like I have so much

2091
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 3: to do when it comes to the Patriots when during

2092
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 3: the season and I'm traveling and things like that.

2093
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: I leave that to you. The traveling what kills you

2094
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: because you need saturdays obviously.

2095
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that, I leave that to you to

2096
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 3: tell me what I should be watching when it comes

2097
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 3: to college football. But this question, uh from Rizio Mesigo.

2098
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 3: The two tackles that everybody's going to talk about the

2099
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: top of the draft are Kelvin Banks junior from Texas

2100
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 3: and Will Campbell from LSU. Those two guys are considered

2101
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 3: to be very, very high end tackle prospects.

2102
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: Alabama's got a guy to Tyler Booker, but he's kind

2103
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: of like that. Next he's the old.

2104
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 3: And then the other guy is your guy who you've

2105
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 3: been telling me for ten years is going to be good.

2106
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: Literally two years because he was a true sophomore last

2107
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,839
Speaker 1: year and went off. Luther Burden from Missouri, Luthor Burden receiver.

2108
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more too, yeah, just in case. Uh,

2109
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: And people will probably familiar with him. Michigan is a

2110
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: corner Will Johnson who dominated during their run life. He

2111
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: might have been the best player on that team last year. Yeah,

2112
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: and he was a true sophomore. So obviously he wasn't

2113
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 1: in the draft. But you know, obviously we'll see what

2114
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is gonna be fascinating, Yeah, because what position

2115
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 1: is he going to the draft? As.

2116
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest with you, I have no desire.

2117
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: For Travis Hunter. Yeah, he was your favorite player last year.

2118
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 3: I'm not because of the player. I have no desire

2119
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 3: to bring Dion anywhere near this thing.

2120
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean I take him as a corner.

2121
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna I don't. I don't need the

2122
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,799
Speaker 3: bar ball like up in all all of the Patriots business,

2123
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 3: I don't need it.

2124
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: Look, I Will Johnson is depending on what Travis Hunter

2125
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: does ends up doing this year and ends up declaring

2126
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: ass because he's not gonna play tow ways in the NFL.

2127
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: He can't. It's just too physically taxing. He maybe he'll

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Speaker 1: be like Marcus Jones. But Will Johnson is probably the

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,839
Speaker 1: best corner in this draft. And look if if everything

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01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: behind Gonzo kind of falls out and Jonathan Jones a

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01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: free agent. He's gonna be thirty one and whatever, Like

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01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about corner is a major need again,

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01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: and Will Johnson will be you know, if they're in

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01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: the top ten, Will Johnson's gonna get a lot of

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01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 1: talk in terms of the Patriots because he's their kind

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01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 1: of corner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kelvin Banks and Will Campbell. I haven't studied

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Speaker 3: them specifically, but obviously I watched a lot of those

2139
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 3: offenses for the draft this year, with Aden Daniels and

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01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 3: with the Texas guys and things like that. I think

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01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 3: the thing that stands out about both of those guys

2142
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 3: is both guys have really good size for the position. Yeah,

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01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that either one of them is like,

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01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: you know, super. I think Banks is maybe a little

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01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 3: bit more athletic, just in terms of like getting out

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01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 3: of his stance and things like that. If I'm right

2147
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 3: off the top of my head here, how I stack

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Speaker 3: them right now is I could not tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's irrelevant because we're gonna get so much more information. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ranking them is irrelevant. I also think that they're just

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Speaker 1: at this point, it's just here are guys to watch,

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01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: and then you watch them next year. Yeah, so that

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: we can rank them and when the time comes. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I also think that it will be good for everybody

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01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 3: with these two tackles and with other players on these

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01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 3: two teams to not have such loaded supporting talent, like

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Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback like Jayden Daniels. Right, it

2158
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 3: just makes everything better when you have receivers like Texas

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01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 3: did last year. You know, it makes Quinn Yours and

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01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 3: everybody look look good. Right, So we'll see what it

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01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 3: looks like for Texas and Calvin Banks and Quinn Yours

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01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 3: without Ady Mitchell, without Xavier Worthy, without Jatavian Sanders, without

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01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Winnington and all these guys. I'd be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: Luthor Burt because he is a pretty good quarterback. Brady Cook. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: does that apply or sure? It shouldn't know? He's got

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01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's good on his own. He doesn't need

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Speaker 1: Brady Cook. As much as I like part of me.

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Speaker 1: If they did the wait for a quarterback thing, I

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01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 1: wanted them to take Brady Cook because how fun would

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Speaker 1: it be for the Patriots to have a quarterback named

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01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Brady Cook?

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01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: He wears, not that he would hear, but he wears

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Speaker 1: number twelve.

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Speaker 3: So the biggest thing is, h yeah, he is not

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01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 3: gonna wear that here?

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Speaker 1: You sure, Brady Cook?

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, I hope they don't draft You're not

2179
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Speaker 3: gonna wear number twelve.

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Speaker 1: You don't think, Brady Cook? You just say Brady Cook. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I would say. The biggest thing though, is that if

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Speaker 3: you had to ask me right now, right today, and

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01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 3: maybe we might disagree with it on this, maybe because

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01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 3: you love Luther Burden so much, but if you have

2185
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 3: to ask me right now, right today, left tackle one

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01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 3: one need for the Patriots next year, and I don't

2187
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 3: think it's particularly close. As much as I love receivers,

2188
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 3: and I think they can use that number one. That's

2189
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 3: the cherry on top for this for this skill group. Hopefully,

2190
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 3: let's hope the J's, which I love the Jays, the Jas.

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01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 3: Let's hope that those two guys are are good and

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01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 3: hit in all that kind of stuff, and we'll see

2193
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 3: if they're If they're busts and they're terrible, then yeah,

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01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 3: receiver becomes a big conversation. But I think drafting a

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01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 3: left tackle like a Joe All type of left tackle,

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01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 3: which I is these two guys are in that category.

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Speaker 3: From what I've seen. Yeah, Uh, drafting that guy for

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01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 3: Drake May to protect his blind side for the next decade,

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Speaker 3: I think is priority number one.

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01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, like I wanted them to take a

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01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: left tackle second in this out, and I think we're

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01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 1: looking at Will Cambon, Kevin Kelvin Banks. But they seem

2203
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: to be okay doing left tackle by committee, and it

2204
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if they I would I would go

2205
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: left tackle. I'm with you, yeah, But it also really

2206
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if if they went receiver and just

2207
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 1: continue to kind of rotate left tackles through because that's

2208
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: what they've been doing for years now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Chad in Atlanta emails in and says that

2210
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: the quote that Wolfe had the system that I come from,

2211
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 3: we don't talk about x zys slot. We just tried

2212
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 3: to get out of really good receivers and it would

2213
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 3: end up working out for us. He said that worried

2214
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 3: him that they don't. I think that he was lying

2215
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 3: to our faces when he was just hyping up his player.

2216
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2217
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 3: I think when when you look at the way that

2218
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 3: they constructed their picks. We talked about it for a

2219
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 3: long time at the top of the show, I Javon

2220
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 3: Baker and Jalen Polk are completely complimentary players that are

2221
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 3: ones and X ones a Z. Like, I think he's

2222
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 3: full of it when he said.

2223
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: That he's just hyping up the guy. He just took

2224
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: that's it's that's just playing the game.

2225
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that he ignored that at all. Actually,

2226
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 3: I think he did the opposite. I think that they

2227
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 3: they were very mindful of making sure that it all

2228
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 3: fits together. The other line question here from Andrew is

2229
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 3: about right tackle. It said, you know, last year, right

2230
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 3: tackles are evolving door YadA, YadA, YadA. H how worried

2231
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 3: are we about bold tackle spots? They are gonna play

2232
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 3: mic on wh right tackle. We'll see how it goes,

2233
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 3: but that's the playoff.

2234
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: You know what, even if it doesn't work. I think

2235
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Cayden Wallace is a good right tackle. Yeah, he kicked

2236
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: Mia w who back inside, and like, I'm not worried

2237
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe it takes him a couple weeks to

2238
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: figure it out, but that's kind of what this team

2239
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 1: is at this point. Yeah, Like I'm good with that.

2240
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: I just wish they had a real left tackle.

2241
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 3: Another question about twenty twenty five drafts. So I'll just reiterate,

2242
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 3: Will Carambull, Kelvin Banks Junior, Luther and Burnon. Those are Luther,

2243
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 3: sorry stumbled out in that one, Luther Burden, Kelvin Banks Junior,

2244
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 3: Will Campbell. Those are the three guys you guys want

2245
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 3: to watch. Those are the three guys that were gonna go.

2246
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we get closer, I will have you, guys know,

2247
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 1: I'll have that. So when we get to like August,

2248
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,759
Speaker 1: I'll start talking about here are the players for Patriots

2249
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: fans to watch. So we'll get you, get a little

2250
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: bit of sleep, We'll get you.

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01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 3: I want to end it on this note, though, Christian

2252
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 3: Barmore signs a four year Oh yeah, okay, fine is

2253
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 3: what we do. We do the one UDFA.

2254
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: So well, okay, so my favor my favorite is Mikey Victor.

2255
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: But there's just so many corners. I don't know how

2256
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: it makes the team. Big corner from Alabama State, yea,

2257
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Deshaun Fenwick. They're running back from Oregon State. Yeah, they

2258
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: can have a run. That real chance to make team.

2259
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Six foot two, twenty three bowling ball back. He'll compete

2260
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 1: with Kevin Harris for that third running back spot, and

2261
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: then Jacob Warren, the tight end from Tennessee. He could

2262
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: have a chance to because they don't really have a

2263
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: blocking tight end and that's what he is. Yeah, so

2264
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 1: I think those are you look at those two guys,

2265
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: John Trey Hunter, those are the guys you're looking at

2266
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: to make this team.

2267
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 3: Running back UDFA. Running backs always have a chance to

2268
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 3: make football teams.

2269
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look if they so. I think part of

2270
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 1: the reason Fenwick went undrafted is he he was in

2271
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 1: college for six years. He only had more than hundred

2272
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: carries in a season once. He just never really play.

2273
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 1: If they run this preseason, like Bill used to, we're

2274
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of Deshaun Fenwick. Yeah, so he'll

2275
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 1: give him a real good chance to see what he

2276
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: can do.

2277
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, really quickly before we wrap Christian Barmore four year extension. Obviously,

2278
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 3: this is not what the show today was about, but

2279
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 3: you know, we wanted to get our quick thoughts on this. Personally,

2280
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 3: I just love it for the main reason that this

2281
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 3: is a twenty four year old player who's ascending who

2282
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 3: you're keeping in the in house. And I don't want

2283
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 3: to come off like everything is anti Bill it's just different.

2284
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that Bill's way of doing things was

2285
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 3: wrong or or you know whatever. It's just different. And

2286
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 3: I think when you look at this draft. My big

2287
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 3: takeaway too from this draft they obviously draft based off

2288
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 3: need on offense, which they should have done. If Bill

2289
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 3: was running this board and we talked about it off

2290
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 3: the air with Johnny Newton, Yeah, if Bill was running

2291
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 3: this board, he would have drafted Christian Barmore's replacement this

2292
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 3: year and what armour walk. He would let Marty Mapu

2293
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 3: take over for Kyle Dugger. He in the long run

2294
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 3: might end up being correct right like they it might.

2295
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 3: Bill might end up being right. I'm not saying that

2296
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 3: he's always wrong about it, but that's what they would

2297
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 3: have done. And I understand why people are like this

2298
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 3: way better. You're just you're keeping guys that you like

2299
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 3: that are good football players, and fans know that fans

2300
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 3: can buy their jerseys and get behind it. I know

2301
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 3: that stuff may be overrated, but it feels good. It

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01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 3: does feel good to have Barmar around here for the

2303
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 3: next four year, five years, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what you want is you want you know,

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01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: the core tenants of a defense are having you know,

2306
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 1: a playmaker, not just a good player, but a playmaker

2307
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: at each level. You have Barmore at the first level.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: You locked up Dugger on the third level. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you count jud On as a second

2311
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:50,840
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01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do there.

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