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Speaker 1: Well, he's a senior reporter for Monday Morning Quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw a picture on the sidelines

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Speaker 1: where Albert Breer, a dogged reporter, Big Jay journalism, is

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Speaker 1: out there with Jimmy Haslam and he had no idea

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Speaker 1: that he was actually looking ahead of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: seven draft, and Julian saying he thought he went there

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Speaker 1: for Arch Manning, but the better quarterback was the Ohios

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Speaker 1: Day kid. So I mean, listen, this is interesting because

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Speaker 1: I said, watching television, I defended Ohio State. I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: if I'm Ryan Day and I'm watching, how uncomfortable Arch is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking any big swings. It looks like get

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Speaker 1: to midfield, which they did. Unlike you could just tell

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Speaker 1: body language. Julian was comfortable, Arch was not. So I'll

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Speaker 1: defend Ohio state to the ends of the earth. You

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Speaker 1: were there, did you notice early how uncomfortable Arch felt it?

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Speaker 3: Luckily he didn't know exactly what he was looking at,

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Speaker 3: which is I think part of the equation for a

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Speaker 3: young quarterback. And this is why I always thought it

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Speaker 3: was silly to anoint him the number one pick in

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Speaker 3: the draft after two starts. I mean, most teams will

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Speaker 3: tell you the threshold is twenty five starts. That's where

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Speaker 3: they want a kid at at a baseline, coming in

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Speaker 3: the coming into the NFL, if they're going to be

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Speaker 3: able to translate what they did in college to the

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Speaker 3: pro level. And the reason why is because of the

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Speaker 3: things that Arch lacks. You know, the amount of defenses

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Speaker 3: you've seen, the ability of defenses to adjust to you

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Speaker 3: after you put five or six games on tape.

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Speaker 4: How do you CounterPunch?

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just there's so much that that you got to

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Speaker 3: if you're a young quarterback to be ready for the pros.

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Speaker 3: It's just there just wasn't enough that anyone knew about

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Speaker 3: arched Manning to anoint him again a first round pick,

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Speaker 3: let alone the first overall pick in the draft. And

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Speaker 3: I think the Mannings knew that, which is one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons why they tamp down expectations. I think Arch

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Speaker 3: is a pretty self aware kid who understood that as well.

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Speaker 4: And look, this is what he was up against on Saturday, a.

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Speaker 3: Defense that may have a handful of first round picks

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Speaker 3: You know, So the Texas Longhorns came in there flying blind.

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Speaker 3: You had a young quarterback going in there without any

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Speaker 3: idea what Ohio State was was going to throw at them,

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Speaker 3: and you know, in this particular spot before the snap,

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Speaker 3: gave no indications at all. You know, like, that's one

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Speaker 3: of the best things Ohio State did was not giving

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Speaker 3: any clue what was going to happen after the snap,

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Speaker 3: before the snap, And so is a really tough circumstance

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Speaker 3: for a young quarterback to walk into like one of

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Speaker 3: the that maybe the loudest I've ever heard that stadium.

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Speaker 3: So you add that into it, and I think we

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be just fine. And I think in the

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Speaker 3: fourth quartery he actually showed some resilience and making some

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Speaker 3: big time throws, one for the touchdown, of course, and

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Speaker 1: So listen, I said this the last six or seven

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Speaker 1: know how good he is at personnel. When you know,

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Speaker 1: the more control he had with his dog, his laptop

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, there are two things really here to look at.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the first thing is you're right, like you

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Speaker 3: overruling people, you know, drafting drafting Nikhil Harry in twenty

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Speaker 3: the scouts pick which would have been at the time

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Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie. There are lots of stories like that at

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Speaker 3: the end of New England, and so yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: and they went what four and eight, you know, and

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Speaker 3: whole thing. And this was the thing that surprised me, Colin.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that they lost. I thought they'd lose. I

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Speaker 3: was what the third quarter looked like. Like that looked

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Speaker 3: like bad news bears ish And maybe I'm dating myself

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Speaker 3: a little bit there with that reference, but no, I

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Speaker 1: Turned it off mid and third quarter. I turned it off.

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Speaker 1: It was so bad it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean like it was the seventy five yard run

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Speaker 3: Then TCU converts a third and twenty with a throw

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Speaker 3: and they convert that third and twenty. And then on

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Speaker 3: the very next play, another long touchdown run, this one

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Speaker 3: for twenty eight yards, untouched that running back. No North

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Speaker 3: then almost immediately after that you had the fumble, scoop

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Speaker 4: It's just it wasn't that they got beat. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: That really, like, I mean wow, like that, Like I

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Speaker 3: just don't remember seeing a Bill Belichick team look that way,

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Speaker 3: and for whatever reason it happened. I mean, They've obviously

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Speaker 3: see how Belichick's program would look when it's applied to

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Speaker 3: obviously last night didn't look great.

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Speaker 1: So I went the other way. I would have either

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Speaker 1: signed or moved Micah a year ago. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give the Cowboys a credit for flexibility. Yeah, that their

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Speaker 1: cakes not made Green Bay. Mike icing the cake's great.

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Speaker 1: Dallas the cakes in disarray. And I think, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to spend forty seven million, I need a leader

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. I need a great locker room guy.

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Speaker 1: I need the best guy in the training facility. That's

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Speaker 1: not what Mike is. I like four first round picks,

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Speaker 1: one of them. Next year, I'm drafting a quarterback. Dallas

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Speaker 1: got crushed by everybody. I wasn't deeply bothered by it.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm in alignment with you on this and

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Speaker 3: that like my biggest problem with it was the timing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you said, Like I they started to

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Speaker 3: have these big picture conversations in April after you know,

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Speaker 3: the negotiation there with Micah failed, and like I agree

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Speaker 3: with what they've done here with the big picture of

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Speaker 3: it's top ten maybe top eight in the NFL and

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Speaker 3: wins over the last thirty years, yet we have not

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Speaker 3: been to a conference title game in that period, which

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Speaker 3: Only the Dolphins and Browns haven't been to a conference

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Speaker 3: it caused them to look inward, you know, and how

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Speaker 3: I think some of that reflection brought them to a

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Speaker 3: place where it was if we trade Micah, what are

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Speaker 3: let's lean into what Brian Schottenheimer's trying to build. He's

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Speaker 3: used this phrase the greatest culture in professional sports. Now,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's reflected in the trade, right, Like

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Speaker 3: Packers package, which had the two first round picks. But really,

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Speaker 3: like the key to me was the player that they selected,

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Speaker 3: surprised by that, just in that like, wouldn't you ask

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Speaker 3: And the answer I got when I asked Dallas about

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Speaker 3: you the Packers were heartbroken to let them go. Now,

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Speaker 3: they had to do this right, but they were heartbroken

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Speaker 3: leaning into now. So this is sort of a bigger

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Speaker 3: think the biggest criticism I can have them here is

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Speaker 3: the timing of it, because if you do this before

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Speaker 3: the draft A, there are more teams involved. Because at

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Speaker 3: a bigger pool of candidates looking at Michael Parsons if

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Speaker 3: you do this in April, and you'll also have one

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Speaker 3: think you can definitely criticize them for the timing of it.

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Speaker 3: They could have elevated things back in April and brought

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Speaker 3: out whether or not Mike is going to be signable

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Speaker 3: to have another player on your roster that you don't now.

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Speaker 3: But the big texture stuff I actually think is pretty Sound.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't think Matt Mosey told me this

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Speaker 4: I I just look at their roster.

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Speaker 3: Colin, and I may have said this to you before,

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Speaker 3: How many guys on Miami's roster could you name right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got some tough roadies, great stuff. Albert Breer.

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Speaker 4: No messing around, that's right, only business here, Colin.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we stand on business. Albert Brern myself Monday morning, quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame, Miami, Clemson LSU

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Speaker 1: It's too much vacationing for you. Michigan is gonna be fine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Saturday.

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Speaker 7: On Baseball Night in America, Jose Altuve and the Astros

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Speaker 7: fight for the Al West crown against the Rangers, or

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Speaker 7: Check local listings for the game in your area. Saturday,

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Speaker 7: seventiestern on five.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that college football schedule over delivered this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Over delivered Clemson LSU. I thought Clemson at home, Cave Kludnick.

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Speaker 1: Would you'd be like, oh, okay, they'll they'll win by ten.

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Speaker 1: Alabama complete no show. And here's the thing. Can I

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Speaker 1: This is why Nick Saban. Nick Saban knew when he

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Speaker 7: And they couldn't run the football at all. Kind of

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Speaker 2: This is the herd line news.

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Speaker 8: Back on the USC bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 7: Let's get started with Josh Allen Colin. He was the

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Speaker 1: Colin, where are you Bills Ravens? By the way, in

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Speaker 1: the opener? Which is the best game of the first weekend? Please?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could argue Kansas City, the Chargers, the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and the Ravens are feel like they I mean Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that Raiders have gone to the run game. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers wide receiver depth chard I think they just

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Speaker 1: announced it. And Keenan Allen, who was like not even

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Speaker 1: on a team three months ago, is now back starting

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Speaker 1: all the running game. The renaissance, there's clearly a pivot,

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Speaker 1: at least in the AFC, back to the run. Well,

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Speaker 1: Detroit drafting Jamior Gibbs, they're a run team first. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the Packers don't have a clear one. They've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of good receivers, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: the new model.

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Speaker 7: We don't want to pay one guy like the Bengals

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Speaker 7: are stuck paying two guys all of the money. They

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Speaker 7: don't have balance, and I think that would be my thing.

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Speaker 7: Look at the Bills that they win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 7: this year without a wide receiver.

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Speaker 8: I think it's really interesting.

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Speaker 7: Let's move on to a certain Niners quarterback, Brock Purty.

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Speaker 8: Your boy, he enters the season, he's now rich, he's

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Speaker 8: rich rich.

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Speaker 1: I want you to read this, read this headline. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting story developing well, okay, so the athletic, your favorite,

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Speaker 1: excellent excellent athletic is a very trustable company, so.

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Speaker 7: They are reporting. Rival executives are skeptical. The Niners can

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Speaker 7: build around Perdy making all of that money, so easiest

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Speaker 7: schedule in the league.

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Speaker 1: They'll be fine this year. But the division is getting tasty.

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Speaker 1: Arizona is probably I'll tell you my favorite pick of

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Speaker 1: the weekend, maybe Arizona. Now the number's gone up to

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Speaker 1: like six and a half. Arizona's gonna thump the Saints.

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Speaker 8: Well they're in New Orleans, Yeah, against Kellen Moren.

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Speaker 1: Who Dadler, that's trailing twenty seven to three. That's who

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Speaker 1: it is. But in all seriousness, so they move off

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. They did pay Ayuk, but he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: out for like at least the first six weeks. I

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Speaker 1: don't have as much concern about this. You just have

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Speaker 1: to draft better. You can't with on on like Trey

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Speaker 1: Lancey wish on him. No, I mean yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think I felt like the last couple of years Shanahan

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Speaker 1: has had a lot of sand personnel. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: love it. I like it. By the way, the fantasy

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Speaker 1: guys out there, love Pearsaw this year? Where are you

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Speaker 1: on the young guy who didn't show much last year?

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Speaker 1: But he's a two and he's a two okay, Juwan Jennings,

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Speaker 1: he's a two. George Kittle, he's an All World first

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Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: And I mentioned McCaffrey is healthy and ready to rush and.

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Speaker 1: They're going to win games. I'm not denying that, but

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Speaker 1: you're you're talking about a team defensively. When Bosa's misses

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Speaker 1: three games, it is Fred Warner and a lot of

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Speaker 1: and a lot of meh.

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Speaker 7: In Robert Salah. I trust by the way, his Jets

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Speaker 7: defenses were great. That wasn't the problem. I like saw.

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Speaker 1: I like solving a major upgrade at coordinator defense.

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Speaker 7: Who's got a better one two punch of coaches than

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Speaker 7: Shanahan and slav.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's got the best staff, but they're up there. I

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Speaker 1: love Kevin O'Connor Kenny.

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Speaker 7: What a playoff game before we see Frank Floords gets

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Speaker 7: run out of Miami.

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Speaker 1: Because he fights with his court. Can we just take

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Speaker 1: a deep breath just like me with arch spanning final story,

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Speaker 1: it's college football, Colin. It was an outstanding Week one

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Speaker 1: and the new AP Top three. When I see this

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Speaker 1: is out, it just came out.

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Speaker 7: Hot off the presses, the buck Eye's are number one,

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Speaker 7: fifty five votes, Penn State two.

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Speaker 1: It's a big ten world. We just live in it.

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Speaker 7: LSU vaults to three after the win at Clemson. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: let's see here. Texas only slides down to seven, which

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Speaker 7: is a little surprise. Clemson only at eight after losing

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Speaker 7: at home Illinois a little. Oh, you like Illinois a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think Florida State deserves more respect than that.

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Speaker 7: For the win over Alabama, Yeah, you're probably right. Anything

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Speaker 7: surprised you there. By the way, you have to look

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Speaker 7: down to twenty one to see your guy, Kaitlin de

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Speaker 7: Boor at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're not getting rid of him all that saving.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely not getting rid of not getting rid of him.

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Speaker 7: Also, hot off the presses, we have a full screen

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Speaker 7: comparing Sabin to Deboor. Listen, I know you're gonna pile

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Speaker 7: on Alabama. I'm not piling on I'm being reasonable, Colin.

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Speaker 7: The under five hundred is highlighted. Saban was never under

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Speaker 7: five hundred and anything.

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Speaker 1: But remember that a couple bad losses Nick Saban knew

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Speaker 1: when to get out. That's half the battle. The NIL

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Speaker 1: exploded and he knows Bama doesn't have that kind of money.

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Speaker 1: Colin nick Saban in seventeen seasons had four unranked losses.

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Speaker 1: Kalin de Wor already has four, but they're coming for

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Speaker 1: him big time. Well, the NIL has actually saved SEC coaches.

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Speaker 1: You can't bail on these guys. The Alabama cannot afford

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million in firing one staff and

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Speaker 1: hiring another. They cannot afford it. They can't if they

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it's coming from. Their athletic director

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Speaker 1: was basically saying six months ago, we really need the

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Speaker 1: help of our fan base.

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Speaker 7: Forget the fans, what about the players? Nick Saban put

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Speaker 7: a billion guys in the NFL. You can't hit up

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Speaker 7: Derreck Henry for some money. What about all those wide

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Speaker 7: receivers getting paid like they have? So many guys Alabama's.

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Speaker 1: Not giving that.

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Speaker 2: Let me look at that.

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Speaker 1: Let me look at that again. When's the last time Miami,

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Speaker 1: the Kids, Simpson, Florida, and Florida State were all in

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Speaker 1: the top fifteen two thousand and six preseason. How about that?

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Speaker 1: I think Florida State's a little undervalued there. South Carolina

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Speaker 1: is interesting. I watched that quarterback. He's pretty clod I love.

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Speaker 2: The kids huts.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's pretty liking with the jets. Florida Gators have

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Speaker 7: such a brutal schedule. They have land mines everywhere. But

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Speaker 7: I think get optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Once again, where's USC scored seventy three points?

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Speaker 8: Who did have? Like directional university.

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Speaker 1: Means a very pesky program from one of the states

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the country.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe like North Dakota staters.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it was in I don't know where

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Speaker 1: it was, RoAF Tech. I think it was Missouri, and

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Speaker 1: Missouri is a good football state, so you know it

556
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Speaker 1: was a good program. They beat Missouri State. Was it

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Speaker 1: Southwest Missouri State or was this Missouri State? All right,

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Speaker 1: somebody told me Sisters of the Blind, but I'm not certain.

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Speaker 1: That's Alabama's lowest ranking since two thousand and eight, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're taking it well.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it wasn't a close game, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: It was a beatdown.

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Speaker 8: I think you called me in the middle of that

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Speaker 8: and you were like, are you watching this?

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, I expected Alibama wasn't even these

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Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball. That was Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 4: Lie. We'll say this.

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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's win is more impressive that are

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Speaker 1: getting credit for because I think Julian Sands a really

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Speaker 1: good talented kid and looked really comfortable. But I think

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day was on that sideline because I could see

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Speaker 1: this and you could see this on TV. I think

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Speaker 1: he was on that sideline and he was watching the

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Speaker 1: first two series. He was watching arch Manning's feet and

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Speaker 1: body language and motion and he and they were getting

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Speaker 1: a couple of bad field position possessions. And I think

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Speaker 1: I think he's like guys. I think Ryan Day after

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Speaker 1: the second series just said we don't need to take

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Speaker 1: let's let's alter our game plan. Let's go super conservative here.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was the right day, right move.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan Day came on earlier and he admitted they

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Speaker 1: went a little conservative with their quarterback.

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Speaker 5: As you know, Julian, you know matures. You know, well,

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Speaker 5: we'll start, you know, opening it up, but we didn't

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Speaker 5: want to turn the ball over down there and put

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Speaker 5: our defense in a bad spot, and that's one of

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Speaker 5: the first things in our plan to win is play

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Speaker 5: great defense. And a part of playing great defense is

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Speaker 5: sometimes making sure you play the field position game. Now,

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Speaker 5: we don't love that, you know, in terms of you know,

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Speaker 5: we want to be explosive, we want to open this

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Speaker 5: thing up, we want to score a ton of points,

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Speaker 5: which which you know.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, the number one

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Speaker 4: goal in a game like this was to win.

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Speaker 1: And yeah they did. I thought he was really good.

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny lost in that game was how

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Speaker 1: good Julian Sayan was very composed. I don't know. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: you can defend Ohio State differently than last year because

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's running back room last year was insane. It's

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Speaker 1: like Penn States is this year or Notre Dames is

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Speaker 1: this year, so it was really hard. He couldn't cheat

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Speaker 1: on Ohio State. So I don't think Jeremiah Smith is

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Speaker 1: going to be You're gonna have to figure out ways

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Speaker 1: to use him, put him in motion different sets because

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Speaker 1: people are going to just roll coverage over. Texas certainly did,

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Speaker 1: but I thought Ohio States win was impressive.

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Speaker 7: I gotta chie in here, Collent, I'm sorry. I just

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Speaker 7: looked at the box score. You said Julian Sane had

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Speaker 7: a great game, Like he's a great game.

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Speaker 1: He looked in that space against world class athletes. I

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Speaker 1: thought he and the world was watching. I thought he

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Speaker 1: looked very comfortable, good feet, good mechanics, very consistent. He

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Speaker 1: was thirteen or twenty four, one hundred and twenty six

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Speaker 1: yards six point three yards per attempt. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: he was they got he had two drops and he

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Speaker 1: had bad field, Like, yeah, no, he don't blame it

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Speaker 1: all on him. I thought he looked composed, and that's

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Speaker 1: all I was caring about.

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Speaker 8: Fine,