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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. Hope

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Speaker 1: wherever you are and wherever you are listening, that you

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Speaker 1: have had a great weekend. You had a fun you know,

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Speaker 1: watching some NFL playoffs, some basketball and things such as that,

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Speaker 1: and listen. You know, in general, I'll say this, the

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Speaker 1: calendar reads Stephen Tolbert two and twenty six, and so

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Speaker 1: far it's been a pretty fun start to the year

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Speaker 1: sports wise. In general, things like that Braves Country had

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Speaker 1: the ability to move on from a forgettable twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Oh my bad, I forgot we couldn't leave twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five in twenty twenty five, And that, unfortunately, is a

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Speaker 1: segue into the topic of today's show, myself, Sean Coleman,

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Speaker 1: along with my podcast partner Steven Tolbert. Steven, as I

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Speaker 1: always say, one of the best when it comes to

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Speaker 1: breaking down the Braves. We're not gonna call this an

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Speaker 1: emergency podcast because that's meant for good news, but this

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Speaker 1: is a bit of a breakdown. Unfortunately, the Braves got

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Speaker 1: some news today and it's not of the good kind. Stephen,

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Speaker 1: what's the latest?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?

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Speaker 3: So we've gotten pretty used to this Unfortunately, we have

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Speaker 3: done a number of these shows over the last two

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Speaker 3: years of here's some you know, just gut wrenching news

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Speaker 3: that we just got, and you know, today was no different.

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Speaker 3: I made the joke on Twitter than normally in January.

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Speaker 3: So I my phone was on the other side of

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Speaker 3: I was just hanging out with my kids, I think,

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Speaker 3: and my phone just started going crazy. I just guid like,

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Speaker 3: there's probably a signing, because that's normally what it is

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Speaker 3: in January. There's the people that we follow and track

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Speaker 3: this stuff really closely send out kind of an all

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Speaker 3: my phone. Now, not a signing, just Hassan Kim has

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Speaker 3: his hand, is the way to say.

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Speaker 2: He According to Mark Bowman, he fell on.

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Speaker 3: on his middle finger. That is going to cost him

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Speaker 3: like four to five months, which we're going to get

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Speaker 3: into the timeline, and we're going to get into all

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Speaker 3: day where do the Braves go from here?

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Speaker 2: But we're going to start the show with just what

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Speaker 2: the hell like.

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Speaker 1: W the three letters that come to mind or WTF

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Speaker 1: that is the case?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to have a guy.

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Speaker 3: And then again, and I tweeted this as well. Last offseason,

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Speaker 3: the Braves big position player acquisition ended up missing basically

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Speaker 3: and now again the Braves kind of number one position

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Speaker 3: player acquisition twenty million dollars hasan Kim. It's probably gonna

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Speaker 3: miss close to the first half of the season recovering

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Speaker 3: from finger tendon surgery. I guess is what we're calling it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it really like it feels like

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Speaker 3: year after that. I don't know, but this was a

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Speaker 2: It's just miserable, is what it is. It's miserable.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the thing that I'll say is this is

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Speaker 1: feels like, what do we have to do to, as

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna downplay anybody who just who is tired

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Speaker 1: the timeline is right. And the reason why I say

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Speaker 1: is a good chance that Hassan Kim is going to

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Speaker 1: And the thing to me that stands out is is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: but Stephen first want to really make sure people understand

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Speaker 1: we're hearing four to five months is the duration of

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Speaker 1: to baseball, it's not just about missing four to five months.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean he's going to miss four to five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Braves put out the initial tweet that

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Speaker 3: and then Gay Burns of the AJAC tweeted out, and

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Speaker 3: didn't exactly make that clear that the four to five

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Speaker 2: So that's one piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 3: The four to five month timeline the Braves sent out

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Speaker 3: If he comes back earlier than that, obviously it's better.

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Speaker 2: Let's just take the conservativele.

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Speaker 3: Let's say it's exactly five months until Hassan Kim plays

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Speaker 3: in his first game with the Braves in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Midway point of the season. So if his first game

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Speaker 3: Until June eighteenth, he is effectively missing the entire first

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Speaker 3: So if you miss into June eighteenth, you've missed half

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Speaker 2: Like sixty games.

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Speaker 3: So that's essentially the difference. Right, If it's four months,

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Speaker 3: if it's five months, he's gonna miss half the season.

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Speaker 3: And obviously we're gonna get updates all throughout spring training.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm guessing that timeline gets moved a little

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Speaker 3: But as we sit here today, unfortunately you kind of

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Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just a kick in the nuts,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Braves finally had a real shortstop for

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Speaker 3: Even if you get him back in June, you don't

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Speaker 2: It just sucks.

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Speaker 3: There's just no I'm not gonna kind of sugarcoat it.

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Speaker 3: This is just crappy, crappy news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I mean you know that that was

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Speaker 1: and last year, we saw it firsthand in Atlanta. Obviously

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Speaker 1: defense declined a bid he had under a seven hundred

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, the first thing that I want to do before.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about Kim, you know how him individually.

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Speaker 1: from now. That could play into the Braves paper.

435
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you could definitely get the contract year

436
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: bump what you see from a lot of players because

437
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: they're on a contract year and they need a big

438
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Speaker 3: contract and all of a sudden they have the best

439
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Speaker 3: year of their life.

440
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Speaker 2: I would take that to hartbeat right now.

441
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Speaker 3: I do think again, I think if if you look

442
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Speaker 3: at just the median outcome, the most likely outcome is

443
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: that the Bond is a level or two below Kim offensively.

444
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's really where the Braves need the upgrade

445
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: from short style.

446
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: And that's what I was just gonna say, because the

447
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: Braves didn't do anything significant.

448
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: To the offense.

449
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: You know, we said if the Braves aren't gonna make

450
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Speaker 3: a significant addition to the offense, which they didn't do.

451
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: You know, we both like your strim Ski, but let's

452
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: be honest, he's more of a mild addition to the

453
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: offense then the then the additional offense at shortstop was

454
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: gonna play a big role in helping this offense get

455
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Speaker 3: over the issues it's had the last two years. Well

456
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: now you don't have that, because you know, while Debon

457
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: is better than Nick Allen, you know, we're just gonna

458
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: have to see how good he does.

459
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Speaker 2: But the other thing you lose, and this may be

460
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Speaker 2: more important than any.

461
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: Of it, is that the Bond was going to be

462
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Speaker 3: your super utility guy all over the infield and the outfield.

463
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: Like the Bond was gonna be your Azzie Albi's insurance.

464
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: He was gonna be in some ways be you know,

465
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: he can play third base, he could play second base,

466
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Speaker 3: play short he could play left field, and play right field,

467
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Speaker 3: he play center field. Like his utility was gonna help

468
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Speaker 3: you cover up other little things that popped up. You know,

469
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: if Ozzy is not one hundred percent at the start,

470
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Speaker 3: like I don't.

471
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Speaker 2: I was coming into the office.

472
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: I was coming into spring training thinking, well, maybe you know,

473
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Speaker 3: if Ozzie is not one hundred percent, I'm not I'm

474
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: not sure that de Bon's not the starting second baseman

475
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: to start the year until Ozzie's ready to go. Well,

476
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: now you've lost that because De Bond's got to be

477
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Speaker 3: your shortstop. So what I was so excited about having

478
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: on this bench was having Mariso Debon and Eli White,

479
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: who can defensively cover the entire field for you. All

480
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: eight positions those two guys can cover, and having both

481
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: those guys freed up to do that was gonna be

482
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: very valuable in my opinion. And now the the you know,

483
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: the most versatile piece you have, and Mariso Dubon is

484
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: now being tied unless the Braids go through something external,

485
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: Mariso Dubon is tied to one position for three months

486
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: and he has to play it every day, and you know,

487
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get exposed a little bit as

488
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: an everyday player and you lose all the versatility of

489
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Speaker 3: having him on your bench.

490
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a double whamy.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the main takeaway is you obviously still are

492
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Speaker 1: in a better position than you previously were, but you're

493
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Speaker 1: still a ways away from the position that you hoped

494
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: you would have been with the investment that you made

495
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: at the shortstop position this offseason. You know another thing

496
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: where noting is you know, when we talk about debond

497
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: now stepping up into that you know, everyday shortstop position,

498
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, could that mean someone like a Nacho Alvarez,

499
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, could make the major league team and he

500
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: could be you know, kind of in that infield utility role. Well, yeah,

501
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: that could be a possibility. I don't think that any

502
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: of the shortstops like drafted last year, like I know,

503
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: with some well we'll ask about like an Alex Lodyce

504
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: who the Braves took him leave in the second round

505
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: of last year's draft. I don't think there's any type

506
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: of you know, I don't think this leads to him

507
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: being on some accelerated plan to get to Atlanta as

508
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: soon as possible, or he breaks camp with the Braves

509
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: or something like that. None of that is going to happen.

510
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: But if Nacho Alvarez now becomes your most obvious internal

511
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: candidate to kind of take on that super utility role,

512
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: at least on the infield, we've already seen what he

513
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: can do and unfortunately it's not a loted So just

514
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: think if there's another injury that were to occur, or

515
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: see if Ozzy Alvi's struggles coming out of the gate.

516
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: That also, basically what I'm getting at is is that

517
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: it's good to have de Bond as an option to

518
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: take over shortstop, but your room for error when it

519
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: comes to health and performance now is so much smaller

520
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: than you had planned for it to be for the

521
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: entire team. And we know the Braves have not had

522
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: luck when it comes to room for error over the

523
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: past couple of years.

524
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's what you lose is the versatility.

525
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: You lose the.

526
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Still in Atlanta hawksword, you lose the optionality. And again

527
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: I am curious to see if they add something on

528
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: the offense aside like like even like an outfielder or

529
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: something to help platoon Yastrimsky because you know, if Profar

530
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: is gonna DH a bunch, which I think he is,

531
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think du Bond was gonna in some

532
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: ways platoon will the Yushtrimsky in left field. I don't

533
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: know that for sure, but it wouldn't have surprised me.

534
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Obviously they could have just DH one of the catchers,

535
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: but we don't know Sean Murphy's what Sean Murphy's status

536
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: is gonna be when we get to opening day either,

537
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: So like another right handed bat makes It always made

538
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: sense to me that to potentially add another right handed bat,

539
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: it makes more sense now again, you did not add

540
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: anything significant to your offense because you kind of did

541
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: these incremental improvements at at especially at shortstop.

542
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Well now that's gone for probably half the year, so

543
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

544
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: I can make the argument they need they need to

545
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: add a bat of some sort at least to the bench,

546
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: probably a right handed bat. But I'm very curious to

547
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: see how they react to this, and some of how

548
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: they react to this will tell me how confident they

549
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: are that Kim can come back and be.

550
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: A productive piece at least in the second half of

551
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: the year.

552
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna make the joke about the you know,

553
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: the chip carry joke about making a trade without having

554
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: to make a trade, but yeah, it's gonna be fascinating

555
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: see how they how they react to that. And then

556
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, in the last segment, we're going to talk

557
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: about a couple of external options that they might be

558
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: able to look at. But it just sucks because it's money.

559
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: Kind of, that's just dead money. Now at least half,

560
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: probably at least half, that Kim contract is gonna be

561
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: dead money. And the Braves aren't the level of payroll

562
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: team that they can just eat ten million bucks the

563
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: way they're probably gonna have to with Kim now, So

564
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: we'll see how they respond.

565
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get more into it. And I actually

566
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: let's jump right into that. How will they respond? And

567
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: the thing that I'll say is this is that once again,

568
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: it is late January and of February, and one of

569
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the things that stands out about the Braves is less

570
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: than ideal shortstop depth entering the season. So if there's

571
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: another bit of a bright side, it's the fact that

572
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Alexanthopoulos has been here before and through that he's made

573
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: trades before, right, So he's got a couple of different options.

574
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: You can go a free agent route. We'll talk about

575
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: a few guys here in just a moment, or just

576
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: like he did. I believe it was it was very

577
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: early in the season. I want to say of two

578
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: that either twenty two or twenty three he traded per

579
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Orlando Arcia from the Brewers. Last spring training he traded

580
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: for Nick Allen from the A's I believe, and those

581
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: guys initially actually showed value, right, they showed value for

582
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: what the Brave has got them for the problem is

583
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: is that they just got overexposed. Those guys were meant

584
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: to be organizational shortstop that they weren't meant to be

585
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: the everyday starting shortstop. This time around, you've got someone

586
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: that you're comfortable with being your shortstop till Kim comes back.

587
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: So now Alex can do what he's done again and

588
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: move on the margins, and so he can go different routes.

589
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk the free agent rout first, Steven. There are

590
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: a couple of guys out there, probably two or three

591
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: guys who I think could make sense. We talked about

592
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: a few of them when we did our utility player

593
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: breakdown show before we acquired Debond about a month ago. Yea,

594
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: but the free agent idea could make sense. And it's

595
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: something to where you're seeing these type of guys like

596
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: Appaul de Young and Orlando Arcia, they're starting to sign

597
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: minor league deals. Go get a notable name to beat,

598
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: to kind of fill that super utility role for a

599
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: little while at a pretty cheap cost. If you went

600
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: the free agency route.

601
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even even if you still want to

602
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: bond to start, you know, you just go sign somebody

603
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: to kind of rebuild some of that depth at least

604
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: a little bit. Listen the names left on the free

605
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: agent market or not in anyway going to you know,

606
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: excite you. These are very very much utility players at

607
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: this point in their careers. But just a couple of names,

608
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, I kf Isaiah Kiner, Fileffa who played with

609
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays, Ramon Urius who played with Houston. Jorge

610
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: Matteo who played with Baltimore the last few years. Kyle

611
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: Farmer is still, you know, kind of piddling around out there.

612
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: I think he was with Colorado last year, so the

613
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: Reds at one point.

614
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: I need interesting names.

615
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: He's much older and I don't know if he can

616
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: play shortop anymore. But Chris Taylor of the Dodgers is

617
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: technically still out there.

618
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't think he plays shortstop.

619
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's played shortstop in a while. He's

620
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: more of an outfielder with LA, so that's probably off

621
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: the table, you know. And then did you want to

622
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: do trade stuff too? Do you want to do that

623
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: separate because there's a there's one trade, there's one big

624
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: trade name that if you wanted to make a splash,

625
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: whose Who's whose name? Has been out there. I'll just

626
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: say it.

627
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: I'll let you respond however you want.

628
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: But Nico Horner's name has been out there for the

629
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: Cubs because there are people that feel like after the

630
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: Bregman signing, that the Cubs need to clear some peril.

631
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: Now I've heard reports that the Cubs are not going

632
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: to trade Nico Horner. I don't really understand why they would.

633
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: It seems like they're trying to win, and Nico Horner

634
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: is one of their best players. But if there is

635
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: something out there, some truth to the rumor that they

636
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: need to cut payroll, Dansby's contract is too big to cut.

637
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Nico's is kind of that sweet spot of big enough

638
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: to impact your peril, but also small enough where you

639
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: could actually reasonably move it.

640
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: Nico Horner is a name.

641
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: I would look at. I mean, that would be very expensive,

642
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: it would. You know, he's a very good player.

643
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: But he's also a very good short stop.

644
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: He doesn't play short stop for them because Dansby plays there,

645
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: and Dansby's also a very good, at least defensive shortstop.

646
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: But Nico Horner is a name that as soon as

647
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: I saw this come down, I thought, maybe.

648
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: I'll go look into how available Nico Horner really is.

649
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: My guess is he's not.

650
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: Again, I don't understand why the Cubs would trade him

651
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: when they're trying to win. But he's a guy whose

652
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Speaker 3: name has been out there for other teams this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, if the Braves did it, okay, but it would

655
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Speaker 1: It just does not seem like an Alexandopplass type movie.

656
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Speaker 2: I just understand why the Cubs would trade him.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agreed, especially to a team in the National

658
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Speaker 1: League who they probably see kind of being an on

659
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Speaker 1: their level and they're trying to win, like right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't.

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Speaker 3: And maybe the payroll is like maybe the the payroll stuff

662
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Speaker 3: is real. But again, if the peril stuff is that

663
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Speaker 3: real where you have to trade Nicol Horner, then I

664
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: don't understand the Bregman contract. Is Bregman's not that much

665
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: better than Niko Horner when you look at overall value. Bregman'

666
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: is a better hitter, but Niko is such an incredible

667
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: defender that he has a ton of value to your team.

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Speaker 1: So and and I mean at that point when when

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Speaker 1: when Kim comes back, I mean, it's a good problem

670
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Speaker 1: to have, but I mean you know, you're you're at

671
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Speaker 1: least one of them, or Ozzie Alby's isn't gonna play,

672
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Speaker 1: so that that also comes into consideration as well. I

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Speaker 1: just don't see it now. The other thing, and the

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Speaker 1: other reason why I also don't see it is because

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Speaker 1: Hornor is going to do a big payday after this

676
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: year as well. So I just and I know that

677
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: that could potentially be the long term option. And you

678
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: know what if Alex and Thoppless is just tired of

679
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: this year by year having to put together the planet

680
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: shortstop and instead would like some continuity, would like some

681
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, uh, stability at the position, maybe he sees

682
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: the reason for trading for Nico Horner and extending him

683
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Speaker 1: long term.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't that that could also be the one

685
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Speaker 3: of the reasons the Cubs do move him is maybe

686
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Speaker 3: they don't want to lose him for nothing, yeah, you know,

687
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Speaker 3: as a free agent.

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Speaker 2: So I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, but but I would when when I'm talking trades,

690
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Speaker 1: I'm more meaning a player in another system who's either

691
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: blocked or something like that, not like a Jordan Lawlor

692
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: level of prospect or anything from Arizona, but someone who's

693
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Speaker 1: very good defensively that the Braves may potentially feel they

694
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Speaker 1: could add a little bit of ceiling too when it

695
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Speaker 1: comes to offense. That's the type of trade that I'm meaning.

696
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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily thinking of Nico Horner Listen, I would

697
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Speaker 1: go out inside I KF tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: That's probably him or Ramons or.

699
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Speaker 1: Probably also have Luis Sirius ramon Irius as a brother,

700
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: who is a former top prospect. He's he's struggled quite

701
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: a bit over the past couple of years. I would

702
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: just simply go get that level of player and just

703
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: add them to the roster that could deepen your bench

704
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: once you hopefully are fully healthy for like five days,

705
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty six. But that's level of

706
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Speaker 1: player that I would go get if they're looking in

707
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Speaker 1: external options, and I do think that the Braves have

708
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Speaker 1: reason to do that like that. The even though they

709
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: do have Dubond who can step up and be that

710
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: shortstop every day, you certainly do need another option that

711
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: could play shortstop. And that's the big thing. I think

712
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: that they want someone that they could, you know, potentially

713
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Speaker 1: see play shortstop because again lo and behold, say Ozzie

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Speaker 1: Albi's for whatever reason. You know, he's been injury promp

715
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. Say something happens to him, Yeah,

716
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Speaker 1: Eli White probably or not. Joe Outwrest probably could play

717
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: there for a little bit, but maybe you want someone

718
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: with a with a little bit higher ceiling. It's not

719
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: necessarily it's I don't think that in reaction to what

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00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: happened to Hasan Kim, the Braves are gonna do anything

721
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Speaker 1: significant in terms of you know, going unconventional or adding

722
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, a significant addition to the offense. But I

723
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Speaker 1: do clearly think that they need to add something to

724
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Speaker 1: their organizational shortstop depth once again, just to add a

725
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: bit of insurance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again we've talked about this a lot. They

727
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: don't really have anything in the minors.

728
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe immediately available. They're better off for the future,

729
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: but nothing immediately.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in a few years that you know, this this

731
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: can be solved by a prospect coming up, But in

732
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, they just don't have that guy who's

733
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: anywhere close to being a major league contributor. So you know,

734
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Speaker 3: everything's got to be external right now. And you know,

735
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: I kf probably the way i'd go is he great? No,

736
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: you know, he's certainly older. But again, what like how

737
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: we talked about before the Braves Sun Kim, I think shortstops.

738
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Speaker 2: Is is damn near impossible. It just is.

739
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Now you can find utility players a little easier, So

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, ikf or Urius or one of

741
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 3: those guys or INIFO would sign for you know, pretty cheap.

742
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Speaker 2: I don't think it would cost a lot of money.

743
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: Trades would be more tricky, of course, but I would

744
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: definitely go sign somebody just to try to build a

745
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: little bit of that depth back up, especially if de

746
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Speaker 3: Bond has gone to play every day, which I think

747
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: he is. And yeah, it just sucks. We're not gonna listen.

748
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: We were like forty minutes on this podcast. We're about

749
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: to wrap up, but thirty thousand feet the brands have

750
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: got to figure out this injury stuff. I mean, I know,

751
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: it's a freak injury. There's nothing they could do about it.

752
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: It happened on.

753
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: The other side of the world in January when he's

754
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: not even with the team.

755
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: But like.

756
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: You know, some of it is signing, Like you know,

757
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: Kim was coming off a serious injury.

758
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: Now again, it's not like he reaggravated his shoulder. This

759
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: is a freak hand injury.

760
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: So you really can't blame the team for this at all.

761
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: It's just bad luck. But my god, it's just so

762
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: much bad luck stacked on top of bad luck, stapped

763
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: on top of bad luck over the last two years.

764
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: And like now because they're having to use Dubon at shortstop,

765
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: like they can't afford Like what if Ozzie gets hurt again?

766
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Speaker 2: What if Riley gets hurt again?

767
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: Like I hate to go down that road, but like

768
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Speaker 3: when you see this injury already in the middle of January,

769
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Speaker 3: before games of it, before he practices even started, Like

770
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Speaker 3: that's where my mind goes, Like now they don't all

771
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: their insurance for their other guys getting hurt is being

772
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Speaker 3: used at shortstop. So it just sucks, man, it just sucks.

773
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely not a good development. And again,

774
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: we could sit here and you know, preach all that

775
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: we want to about how they're in a better position

776
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: to handle something like this, but the whole point is

777
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: we're just tired of handling something like this. It just

778
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: it where is on you? I know that many that

779
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast cheer for the Atlanta Hawks. I

780
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, somewhat cover and you know, a cheer for

781
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies. And I think that if anybody that

782
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: follows the NBA, they know that the Memphis Grizzlies have

783
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: dealt with injury after injury after injury. And the reason

784
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: I bring that up is because I don't want it

785
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: to get to the point with the Braves that it

786
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: kind of is now with the Grizzlies, in that you

787
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: can have all this hope about what your team could

788
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: be when you've got its full roster available to play.

789
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that that's never a reality

790
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: because the full roster is never healthy. That's kind of

791
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: been where the Braves have been over the past two years.

792
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: You just still't wanted to get to the point to

793
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: where that truly defines what we had, what we had

794
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: hoped an era would be of much higher hopes. I

795
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: don't think we're to that point yet, but I know

796
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: every team and their fans can sit here and you know,

797
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, complain about bad injury, look and all this

798
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: different stuff. But it has been a bit of a

799
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: different level when it comes to the Braves, especially when

800
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it comes to significant players on the Braves. But the

801
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: whole purpose of not even being in the season yet

802
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: is that you've got plenty of time to react. We'll

803
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: continue to cover how the Braves are going to handle

804
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: this situation again if you're just tuning in, if you are, hello,

805
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: hass On Kim out for four to five months with

806
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: a torn finger tendon. We've been discussing different things that

807
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: the Braves potentially could do in order to try to

808
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: not replace hass On Kim, but just at least keep things,

809
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, keep the house straight for lack of a

810
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: better way of putting it, until he returns. So unfortunate,

811
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: not surprising, but hopefully we'll see the Braves, you know,

812
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: add more depth just to make sure that they've got

813
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: the insurance that they thought they had in de Bond.

814
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: Now they'll have to figure out another insurance plan as

815
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Debond likely is is the everyday shortstop until Kim returns. Stephen,

816
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: anything else from you as we wrape up this edition

817
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: of the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 2: No, just you know.

819
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Speaker 3: The next time I signed off here, I was going

820
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: to talk about how excited I was about the season

821
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: and how like football is rapidly winding down and college

822
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: football is basically done. NFL is down to like the

823
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: final four teams, and like you know, that usually is

824
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: kind of the sign for me to.

825
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: Really get into baseball seat.

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Speaker 3: Like I get in baseball mode around this time of year,

827
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: right near the end of January, you know, college My

828
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: two favorite sports are baseball and college basketball, And like

829
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Speaker 3: springtime is like the it is my favorite time of year.

830
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Speaker 2: And I hate coming.

831
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: On here because the Braves had a significant injury. But

832
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: that being said, baseball is coming like it's rapidly approaching,

833
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: and Brad and Scott and Me and Sean are going

834
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: to be here to cover it every week no matter what.

835
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Speaker 3: Moultiple times a week, usually like four times a.

836
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 2: Week we do shows. And obviously the spring trending about

837
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: to ramp up.

838
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: It's only the contents only gonna go up from here,

839
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Speaker 3: So we appreciate you following along. Sorry this show is

840
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: under such a negative headline, but you know, we cover

841
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: it rain or shine, so but we appreciate the support

842
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: as always, and.

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00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: We're just we're ready to get to the point to

844
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: where and I think you mentioned it. I mentioned it

845
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: a year or so ago, Steven. We're ready to get

846
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: to the point that when it comes to talking about

847
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Braize Baseball. It doesn't feel like a threat. It feels

848
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: like that's that's what we want to get back to

849
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: the point of being. And I still feel that could

850
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: clearly be the case in twenty twenty six. But man,

851
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: hopefully this hopefully Lady Luck will will shine and smile

852
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: on us once again, say it once again soon.

853
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: But we're gonna just start putting sugar warnings at the

854
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: beginning of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know, you know, whatever occurs,

856
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: if we need to get Dansby to come back to

857
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: Truest Park and burn some more sage and just not

858
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: the Cubs, I'm I'm I'm ready at that point. I'm

859
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: to that point just to get this injury injury bad

860
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: ju ju away from us. But you know what, Hey,

861
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: we've talked funny about it. You know the story, you

862
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: know the headlines. You know that the Braveers are going

863
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: to try to figure out something in order to be

864
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: able to deal with it until we get a bit

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Speaker 1: better injury let But for Steven Tolbert, you can find

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Speaker 1: it being underscore outliers on Twitter slash x myself. That's

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