1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from HowStuffWorks dot com. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: Charles W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. But where's wal though 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 2: right over there apparently. 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Man, I wish people could hear in between stuff. 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: I think Jerry was recording that last one. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so. She used to give us 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: a neat little outtakes, but she doesn't do that anymore. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Those days are long gone. They exist in the vault, though. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: How you doing? 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: I cood no, No, I don't know what's wrong with me. 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: I am off. 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Today, out of your game? 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think this is the perfect podcast to set 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: you straight. Why because it's something that we both have 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: some passion about against. 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think anybody who's seen the documentary this film 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: is not yet rated. Yeah, that would be very difficult 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: to not be persuaded to feel strongly about the MPAA 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: and its practices. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least how they do things. 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: But we're going to try to be objective. 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say up front, I 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: have no problem with rating a film's content so parents 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: can decide whether or not it's appropriate. I think it's valuable, 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: but I think there are ways to do it that 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: I don't think the MPa does. Yes, So I just 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: wanted to float that early on. 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I think that was probably smart. Okay, Okay, I 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: don't have kids, so I don't really whatever. But I mean, 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: I can understand the value of that kind of thing. 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it gives you an idea, Like I like 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: having an idea what I'm about to see too. 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: I feel like I can tell just from watching a 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: trailer of previewsing a movie poster. I'm pretty I'm pretty 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: intuitive when it comes to the marketing techniques of movies. 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think like being a film nerd, it's like, 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: is the New Is the New Avengers movie going to 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: be rated? R? That really tells you something, Right, it 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: won't be. No, it never would be, because PG thirteen 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: is the the that's the strikes one. 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: These days, it really is. Apparently PG thirteen movies pull 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: in more money than all other ratings combined. Yeah, and 45 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: it's a relatively new phenomenon. You want to talk about 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: its origin, Yeah, let's do it. So Back in nineteen 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: eighty four, a man named Steven Spielberg had two movies 48 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: out who Steven Spielberg, Right. He directed one, Indiana Jones 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: and the Templar Doom, and he produced another, Gremlins. Yeah, 50 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: and both of them caught He caught a lot of 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: heat from both of them. 52 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Sure, Indiana Jones for the heart removal scene specifically. 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but also the snake, the live snake at the 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: feast thing yeah. Yeah, all the snake babies, the eyeballs, 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then with Gremlins, it was just 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: downright terrifying in a lot of different places, especially if 57 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: you're a kid. And the reason he caught heat was 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: because both of those movies were rated PG. Yeah. So 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Spielberg went to the NPAA, the Motion Picture Association of America, 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: and said, let's do something about this, because these clearly 61 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: aren't our movies. Yeah, but they apparently aren't PG movies either, 62 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: so maybe we should come up with something in between. 63 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: And PG thirteen was born. 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And this was before he had all this sway 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: in the world. He was influential, but it wasn't like 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: Spielberg today, who could have just waved his wand and 67 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: made it happen. 68 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think even at the time he was important. 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: He Yeah, there were very few directors at that time 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: who could have gotten something like that done. 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: Yea too. 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: So that's where PG thirteen came from, and that, like 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: you said, that's the strike zone now. And the reason 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: why is because that is the kind of movie that 75 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: caters to young teenage boys, who apparently are the most 76 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: successful at getting girls to go to movies with them. 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: So if you can get a movie rated PG thirteen, yeah, 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: you're going to make a bunch of money. 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus it makes sense, it's right there in the middle. Yeah, 80 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: you know. 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: But the problem is is it's become a means of 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: almost advertising that rating rather than cautioning parents. It's a 83 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: way of attracting the audience. 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: True, it's like this is some kids PG movie. 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: This is as close to an R movie as you 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 2: can get. 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: In Yeah, and I think filmmakers try to achieve that 89 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: rating by either scaling back their R rated movie or 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: juicing up their PG movie. 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: Or adding more violence. Apparently PG thirteen movies are have 92 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: tripled in violence over the last few decades. Yeah, and 93 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: they now have, according to one study, more violence than 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: there are rated counterparts. 95 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and different kinds of violence that you didn't used 96 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, you know, all right, I guess we 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: should go back in time a little bit. Let's is 98 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: it way back machine? 99 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 2: Sure, let's let's go way back in time in Hollywood. 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: All right, it's nineteen twenty two. Hollywood and Vine is 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: a viable intersection in Hollywood at the time, unlike now, 102 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: although people are going to say no, they built that 103 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: area back up. Yeah, and that is when the NPA 104 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: was born in the early nineteen twenties. 105 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: And at the time, it was up to local authorities 107 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: or your state or your municipality to either stamp something 108 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: as moral or immoral. There were no ratings on movies. 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: And thanks to a guy named Will Hayes who was 110 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the first president of the NBA, he installed the Hayes 111 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: Code and said, you're either going to pass or fail. 112 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: It's either going to be stamped in moral or moral. 113 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: Right. And the reason Will Hayes, who was the NPAA president, 114 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: came up with the Hayes Code, which was really extensive. 115 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: It was like, if you talk about the government, it 116 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: always has to be good, sexuality has to be repressed, 117 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: and just basically in hetero how you think about all 118 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 2: movies from like the thirties and forties. Yeah, squeaky clean 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: basically sure, like the division between good and evil is 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: very clearly defined and the good guy always wins. And 121 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: if he didn't fall into that Hayes code, like you said, 122 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: your movie would be stamped immoral. But the whole reason 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: he came up with this code was because local municipalities 124 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: could pass their own obscenity laws and that could be 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: bad for business. 126 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: So is it not even get your film exhibited? 127 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: Right? So remember in the A c l U episode 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: where we're talking about that one, that one movie that 129 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: New York just the Catholics said no, you can't show 130 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: that here, and the a cl you went to work 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: getting getting the Catholics beaten in court. 132 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: Right, even though it was just a bad movie that 133 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: had something to do with well, I mean it did, 134 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: but it shouldn't have been shown because it was so terrible. 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: Was it bad? 136 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, I mean it was supposed to 137 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: be not very good. 138 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: Okay, but it happened like that kind of thing happened 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: a lot like local local town said no, we're not 140 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: going to show that movie. So Hayes figured out if 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: if Hollywood policed itself. Then they could control what, you know, 142 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: what movies came out, and therefore everybody could make a 143 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: bunch of money. That's right, And that's the point of 144 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: the NPAA. They're the lobbying arm of six major Hollywood studios. 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're there. They worked for them. 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 147 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's one way to say it. 148 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: But they and it's just too isn't it. 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, there's definitely an arguments these days 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: that independent filmmakers have a much rougher time with the NBA. Yeah, 151 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: but most of the indies too, are eventually distributed by 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: the majors. Anyway, I got you. You know what I'm saying. Okay, 153 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: So flash forward a bit in our way back machine 154 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: to the nineteen fifties. Things changed a little bit after 155 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: World War Two and people, I guess the easiest way 156 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: to say is people loosen up a little bit and 157 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: didn't mind certain elements in their entertainment any longer. Yes, 158 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: A big example this article uses Frank Sinatra got an 159 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Oscar nomination for playing a heroin Addict in The Man 160 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: with a Golden Arm, And that couldn't have happened in 161 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. 162 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: No, millions of people hadn't died in World War Two yet, 163 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: that's right. I imagine that kind of loosens you up 164 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: as far as the seeing Chris Wards and stuff in 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: movies goes. 166 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's not a big deal, Like World War 167 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: two is a big deal, right, get your haunches down exactly. Yeah. 168 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: That was the big one, the big first crack to 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: the Hayes code. Yeah, and then there were I think 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: that you said He. 171 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Won an Oscar, right, Yeah, it was a really good 172 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: movie that kind. 173 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: Of opened the floodgate, so that by the end of 174 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 2: the fifties you got some like it hot and Tony 175 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Curtis and Jack lemon are dressed like women hitting on 176 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, And at that point it was pretty 177 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: obvious that Hayes code was dead. Yeah. 178 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't passing the code, but they were 179 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: still getting released. So once something is subverted like that, 180 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: it's dead in the water. 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: Right, So there was a that was fine for a 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: little while. I think the Hayes code just kind of 183 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: fell to the wayside and people were releasing movies without 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: any kind of moral or immoral stamp. But the rating 185 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: system as we understand it today hadn't come about yet. Yeah, 186 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: so it's kind of a limbo period until nineteen sixty 187 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: eight and a store owner in New York with the 188 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: last name of Ginsburg got busted for selling Newti maags 189 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: to sixteen year old boys, and he took it all 190 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: the way to the Supreme Court saying, you can't say 191 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: anything about this. There's federal laws about upsidnity, not local laws. 192 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: In the Supreme Court said, you know what, we really 193 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: think it's sut to local municipalities to decide what they 194 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: want their miners exposed to or not. That got Hollywood's 195 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: attention because all of a sudden, local municipalities could decide 196 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: whether or not they wanted to show movies to minors 197 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: or not. So what was old became new again. And 198 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: Jack Valenti, who was in charge of the MPAA, said 199 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: we need another system of another self policing system, and 200 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: he came up with the rating system that we have today. 201 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he, I mean Jack Valenti was the head 202 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: of the NBA for close to forty years, and he 203 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: initially the intention was to stop censorship because he feared 204 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: that the movies were going to start being censored locally 205 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: and so I think the origins of the NPA rating system. 206 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: We're art centered. 207 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: Art center, but also money centered, because again, if you 208 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: have if you have town A showing the movie, but 209 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Town's B through L deciding that the movie is obscene 210 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: and not showing it, then you're losing that money and 211 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: B through L. So what Valenti came up with was 212 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: this idea that let us tell you what is appropriate 213 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: for minors or not what movie is, and we'll just 214 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: make a simple rating system. Yeah, gpg R. 215 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Or X the old X yeah, and triple X, which 216 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: wasn't even formally a rating, it was just. 217 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: A marketing tool. 218 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 219 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, because three exes, that's like whoa. 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody ever came out with one with. 221 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: Four X yeah or double X even yeah, like yeah, 222 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: we cut out that one part so X. 223 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: Christian, our colleague here, wrote a great blog post about 225 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: the former X rated movie. 226 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, we'll have to check that out. 227 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: That's good for brain Stuff for stuff a genius. 228 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: On the brain stuff blog earlier this year. And you 229 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: actually recommended it on your blog, the X rating, Yeah 230 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: the best I remember it this week. 231 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember recommending one of his things I just 232 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: don't remember that one. 233 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: Just good. I thought about asking him in here, but 234 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: then I thought, yeah, we got it nice. So yeah, 235 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: back then it was G through X and well we'll 236 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: talk about you know how that changed maybe after this 237 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: message break. All right, so no longer do we have 238 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: X rayed movies. Now we have something. I guess we 239 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: should just go through what these ratings mean today in 240 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Okay, so you've got your G. 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: G's always been G general audience. 242 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: Anyone can see it, Yes, and that's your your family 243 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: cartoon that kids love and parents are forced to go to. 244 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: Right. 245 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: Then you've got PG that means no drug use, maybe violence, 246 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: because as we'll learn, the MPa has less problems with 247 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: violence and more problems with language and sex. Huge criticism, 248 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: huge criticism PG thirteen, which we've you know, kind of 249 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: been through. Then you've got your R and that is 250 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: no one under said. This is a suggestion that no 251 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: one ever seventeen be admitted without a parent. And these 252 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: aren't laws, though, that's one thing that's important to point out. 253 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,239 Speaker 1: Those are suggestions, And then theaters have policies. 254 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's let's kind of dig into that. So none 255 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: of this is legally binding. Now, none of them are 256 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: anything more than recommendations. They're basically saying that this movie 257 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: has X amount of profanity or x amount of nudity, 258 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: or lacks any drug use or something like that. Sure, 259 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: and so for what the MPAA thinks the average moral 260 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: compass of the average American thinks about these different things 261 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: like sex, drugs, nudity, all that stuff, this movie falls 262 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: into this rating. Right, And again it's not enforceable. You 263 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: don't even need to have a rating to release a movie. 264 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: But if you want to get your movie in theaters, 265 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: there's basically no theater chain out there right now, no 266 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: major theater chain out there right now that will show 267 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: an unrated movie. 268 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a completely voluntary system to submit your film 269 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: to the MPa ratings board. 270 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: But it's de facto, but you have to do it. Yeah, 271 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: that's the. 272 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Rub is that they say it's voluntary, but you actually 273 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: have to pay a fee to submit your movie if 274 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: you ever want to have it shown in theaters. 275 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: Right and the fee is anywhere from like twenty five 276 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for a big budget movie to seven hundred 277 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars for a short Yeah, and so you 278 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: submit your movie. Well, we'll get into it in a second. 279 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: Let's talk some more about the rest of the ratings. 280 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's only one more, and that's NC seventeen, 281 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: which replaced X. And that means this is a nineteen 282 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: ninety and that basically means that it's for adults only 283 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: and you should not come in if you're under eighteen. 284 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: Right, and also means these days it's foreign or about 285 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: lesbian or gays. Basically, yeah, not fully, but sure, it's 286 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: pretty close. Yeah, and NC seventeen. The first movie to 287 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: come out with that was Henry in June. Yeah, I 288 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: have to be confused with Benny and June, and it 289 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: basically sunk that movie because everybody was like, oh, this 290 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: is X now, right, NC seventeen. If you jumble it 291 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: all together, it looks like X. And the whole reason 292 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: they came out with NC seventeen was to replace X 293 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: because X was associated exclusively with pornography in the minds 294 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: of moviegoers. 295 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, all right, So let's get into this 296 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: the actual ratings board. There's the NPAA, and then working 297 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: for the NPA is the Classification and Ratings Administration. Kara 298 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: and Kara doesn't say whether your movie stinks or not. 299 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Kara is eight to thirteen people and they are called raiders, 300 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and they are overseen by a senior raider, and they 301 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: sit down and watch these movies and take copious notes 302 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: on what they think based on their standards. Is I 303 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: don't want to say offensive, but just noteworthy, right, Like 304 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: maybe they're not offended, but they think the average mom 305 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: and sheboygan might be offended. 306 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: Right supposedly, which is a kind of a thing because 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: the whole rating system, as you just kind of pointed out, 308 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: is a subjective. 309 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Totally subjective. They supposedly. Here's the other rub is it's 310 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: all secret. 311 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: Right. 312 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: You can find out a federal judge's name and address, 313 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: but you can't find out who a raider is for 314 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: your films. It's all conducted in private. None of this 315 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: stuff is released. And that's one of the big rubs 316 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: in that documentary and with filmmakers in general, is it's 317 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: all done behind closed doors. There's never any explanations provided. 318 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: These people are supposed to have kids between ages of 319 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: five and seventeen, but many of them do not, right, 320 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: either have kids at all or have kids that are 321 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: older than eighteen. 322 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: Yep. 323 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: It basically frees them up from any accountability. Yeah, to 324 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: do this all in private and in secrecy. 325 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: And until that movie by Kirby what is Kirby's last name? 326 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Henry and June No no, the documentary Oh oh yeah, 327 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: this film is not yet rated. 328 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, until Kirby Dick's this film is Not Yet Rated 329 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: came out, Like all of this stuff was just conjection, 330 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: conjecture in Hollywood legend. Yeah, he was the first one 331 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: to really basically he tailed these people, tail them to lunch, yeah, 332 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: to find out who they were, and eavesdrop on them, 333 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: and like did some digging and found like these anonymous 334 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: people did not fall into the requirements that the NPA 335 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: said they did. And so not only was it in secret, 336 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: it was it was fraudulent. Basically, this rating system, so 337 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: according to the standards, you submit your film, this group 338 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: of people, this anonymous group of people, watch it, they 339 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: rate it, and then they come together and vote on 340 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: a rating, and then they pass their their vote along 341 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: to a senior raider who talks to the movie's distributor 342 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: or director or producer says, here's the rating, here's why 343 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: we rated it like this, and then your face with 344 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: the choice. You can accept the rating. You can edit 345 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: your film as per the CRA's recommendations. 346 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: Take out these bad words, cut the sex scene a 347 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: little early, leave all the violence. 348 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Or you can reject the rating and just release 349 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: your movie is unrated. 350 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, which, well, you can try to release it, but 351 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: since no one will show it, it's really sort of 352 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: a misnomer. 353 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: Right, but it's becoming increasingly a thing again. You need 354 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: the rating to get your movie shown in movie theaters. 355 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: But what happens if you don't care if your movie 356 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: comes out in theaters, video and demand, yeah, or just 357 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: releasing it to the internet. 358 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: Now, I'm curious about that. How that's going to change 359 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: the landscape? 360 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: Well, right now, it's a huge threat to the NPAA 361 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: because all of the power they wield is found in 362 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: this rating system. 363 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: And if for theaters, yes, if no one's going to theaters. 364 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: Then the MPAA loses all that power, which is a 365 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: big deal, especially now because the NPAA is needed more 366 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: than ever as a lobbying group because of online piracy, 367 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: which we'll talk about some more. So it's a very 368 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: precarious time for the MPAA right now, and it's a 369 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: terrible time for them to be under as much scrutiny 370 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: and public attack and critique as they are. So it's 371 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: I mean, they got spears sticking out every which way, 372 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: and their trunk is flailing and they're honking. 373 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: That is true. One thing I should point out is 374 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: I said, is that there's no accountability. That's what the 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: NPA says. It's the good thing about the secrecy is 376 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: that it frees them up. That anonymity does. It frees 377 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: them up from accountability. I just don't agree, right, Okay. 378 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: So if you want to appeal, there was apparently a 379 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: change made in response to Kirby Dick's movie the documentary 380 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: before if you were appealing your rating, which is very difficult, 381 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: almost never was done and. 382 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Well you never want that's for sure, right. 383 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: And when you were appealing, you couldn't reference any other film. 384 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: It was totally done in a vacuum, which is pretty preposterous. 385 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's the only way to be able to 386 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: tell us like, wait a minute, if you said this 387 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: about this, then why not this for my movie? 388 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: Which meant that there was no real standard yeah that 389 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: you could point to, or there were standards you could 390 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: point to, they just would be considered. 391 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, or at the very least, if they do have 392 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: written standards, they don't release them, so you don't even 393 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: know what they are. 394 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: Right. So the MPAA is they've got their rating system, 395 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: they've got the appeals process. 396 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: Which was also in secret, unless that's changed, right I think. 397 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: I think the appeals board not only was the appeals 398 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: board and secret, but they weren't even just raiders. They 399 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: were people from the industry. 400 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: Right, and the Theater Owners Association exactly, whereas the people 401 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: who were raiders are supposedly unaffiliated with the movie industry 402 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: and are just like average ordinary. 403 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: Parents representing your Middle America. We'll just call it, even 404 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: though I think that's insulting. 405 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is a lot of people criticize 406 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: the NPA and say, these raiders are really representing the 407 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 2: six major studios who rake in ninety five percent of 408 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: the ten point nine billion dollars made in the United States. Yeah, 409 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: in theaters alone, just ticket sales, not DVD or anything 410 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, And that's what the NPAA does in 411 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: addition to rating. They are, like we said, the lobby 412 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: arm for these six studios, that's. 413 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Right, and they I guess we should talk about piracy now. Huh. 414 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: That's one of their other big asides from rating movies, 415 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: they are heavy in the lobby against well, especially now 416 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: with online piracy, because the digital distribution network is it 417 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: seems like the way forward as far as distribution goes, right, 418 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: it's the futre. It's not the future, it's the present 419 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: and the future. 420 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: And the NPAA has a they're accused of basically trying 421 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: to quell new technology, yeah, by just saying like, well, 422 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: let's just keep people from peer to peer file sharing 423 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: in total, yeah, so that they can't steal movies. In part, 424 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: and if you go back to the early eighties, Jack 425 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: Valente was known to have railed and lobbied against the 426 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: legality of VCRs. 427 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: People are just gonna be recording things and handing them. 428 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: Out to their friends exactly. So there was a The 429 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: NPA is a long history of basically like just doing 430 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: anything at can to stifle innovation in order to protect 431 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: the profits of these big movie studios. The other problem 432 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: with them lobbying in favor of these six movie studios 433 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: is that they inherently have a conflict of interest against 434 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: the studios that are not part of these six that 435 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: they represent, but whose movies they still rate, so they've 436 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: been accused of more scrupulously or scrutinously rating the movies 437 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: of rival studios or foreign studios when assigning a rating. 438 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: Well, and that's why filmmakers call consistently for transparency. It's 439 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there are many filmmakers out there saying 440 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: should be no rating, we should just maybe some like 441 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: a large fontrier, you know, or Werner Hertzog. They're probably 442 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: like nota eight things at all. But I think they 443 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: just want transparency, like open it up and let everyone 444 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: know how this is all done, who these people are, 445 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: and give us an idea on what in the world 446 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: we're submitting to voluntarily, quote unquote. Pretty interesting. 447 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: So you were talking about online piracy and with digital 448 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: distribution being a big deal now, the MPa is needed 449 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: more than ever because they have to lobby Congress to 450 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: fight online piracy at a time when more and more 451 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: people are distributing online and going around the MPAA. So 452 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: it's losing its power, but it needs its power more 453 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: than ever. So, like we said, it's a precarious time 454 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: for the MPAA. And they tried a few things. They 455 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: were successful with the what was the first one in 456 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: two thousand, the Digital Sofa No, the Digital Millennium Right Act, right, 457 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: which basically that up until then it wasn't a federal 458 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: crime to share movies on peer to peer networks. Right, 459 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: that one did it and they got that passed. The 460 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: MPAA lobbied and got that passed. 461 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've cracked down on camcorder recording, yeap. Like when 462 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: you're in New York City and someone has that brand 463 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: new copy of Godzilla on video cassette for you, Yeah, 464 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: that's because if you've seen Seinfeld, someone went and sat 465 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: in that theater with a camera recorder and just made 466 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: a stupid, awful quality pirated version. 467 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it says that those are the most common. 468 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: I guess I kind of believe that they're also the 469 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: worst quality. Like sometimes people will like get up and 470 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: move in front of the camera, like they go to 471 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: the bathroom or something, and. 472 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I've never seen one, but I think they're terrible. 473 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah much. I don't want to say more common, but 474 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 2: probably more common these days are like copies of screeners. Yeah, 475 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: Like they send out DVDs to everybody who's members of 476 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: the Academy to vote on movies and so around OSCAR 477 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: timer before Oscar time, it seems like the Internet gets 478 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: flooded with way more high quality copies of these major 479 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: movies that are up for awards. 480 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think now they have, thanks to the NBA, 481 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: have something coded to your name now on your copy. 482 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: So like they'll know who leaked it or whatever. I 483 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: think so not surprised by that. Apparently, if you want 484 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: to show Frozen at your church, yeah, you better have 485 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: a public performance license because it is illegal to show 486 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: a movie outside of your home. 487 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that surprised me. But there are a lot of 488 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: especially in the summertime, a lot of community screenings, like 489 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: every city now has, you know, Atlanta shows them, and 490 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I think at Oakland Cemetery some other places in New York. 491 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: They have them all over the place, and technically, yeah, 492 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: they're supposed to have a license to do so, I'm 493 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: sure they do the big ones. 494 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, the big ones, I'm sure do. 495 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: But like at your community pool and you want to 496 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: show et and. 497 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: The Feds could come kick the gate down around the pool. 498 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: I bet everybody. 499 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: I bet they don't love HBO these days because you 500 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: know HBO go people steal that. They're just like, hey, dude, 501 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: what's your log in. 502 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, and. 503 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: HBO came out and they're like, who cares? 504 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, people are watching it. 505 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, like go watch a True Detective. Maybe you'll sign 506 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: up for HBO, yeah because you liked it, or maybe 507 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: you'll just support the show period on social media, even 508 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: though you're getting it for free. Like we're making enough 509 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: money basically. 510 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's something that a lot of people say, 511 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: you know, film industry, we don't really feel that bad 512 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: for you, Yeah, Seawan Austin sit down, because you guys 513 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: made ten point nine billion dollars in America in ticket 514 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: sales alone in twenty thirteen. We don't feel that bad 515 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: about this whole conundrum that the MPAA is facing. 516 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: What Sean asked and Steel he was voices Yeah, yeah, 517 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: oh okay, yeah, I don't think I knew that. 518 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I can't remember the There was like 519 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: a whole kind of push an anti piracy pushed a 520 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: few years back, and part of it yeah yeah, and 521 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: he looked really mad about things too. But speaking of piracy, 522 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 2: I remember there was a story that came out recently. 523 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: It was if you think about it, at first, it's 524 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: like wah wah, but then if you really kind of 525 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: lended some thought. It's really disturbing. There were there was 526 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: a report of prisoners at a prison being shown pirated movies, 527 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: and some of the prisoners were there for pirrating movies, 528 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: and like, really think about the injustice behind that. Yeah, 529 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: like that's just crazy town. Imagine if you've been like 530 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: selling counterfeit first, and you go to prison and all 531 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: of the all the guards are wearing counterfeit for coats. 532 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: It'd be pretty swing in prison. 533 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: It'd be weird, but it would also be unjust. 534 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true. 535 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: But in relation to this, it's just more and more 536 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: widespread every day. It feels like it's it's a losing battle. 537 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: I think that the NPAA is fighting right now. 538 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think I read somewhere today that they I 539 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: think they might release a few of the Raiders' names 540 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: per film, not all like thirteen, right, But I need 541 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: to look up that, look that up again, because that 542 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't see the why releasing a 543 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: three out of thirteen names does anybody any good? 544 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: It does zero good. Yeah, And speaking of doing zero good, 545 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: this there's kind of a new attachment to the rating 546 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: system that they have now. It's called check the box. Yeah, 547 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: and it's it's basically a brief description of why a 548 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: movie is, like PG thirteen. Yeah, so it'll say like 549 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: intense sci fi action or something like that, or some 550 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: drug use. Yeah, that kind of thing. And some critics 551 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: of the NPAA say it's just basically like shooting a 552 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: laser beam into like a fifteen year old boy's brain, 553 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: like brief nudity. Come see it PG thirteen, Check it out, kid, 554 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are looking at 555 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: it like it's it's just kind of a disingenuous advertisement, 556 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: cynical advertisement, because the NPAA is accused of not regulating 557 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: or even potentially directly marketing to kids under the age 558 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: of the movies that are being advertised. So like you're 559 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of ads for like R rated movies 560 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: on websites that are like very popular among like the 561 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: seventeen and undercrowd. There's a lot of tie ins for 562 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 2: PG thirteen movies with like kids toys for kids who 563 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: are under who are under thirteen. And so there's like 564 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: this idea that there's the NPA supposedly serving America's moral compasses. Yeah, 565 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: but really at the same time, they're undermining that morality 566 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: that they're supposedly defending, yeah, by marketing and exploiting kids. 567 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be like a cigarette company having a cartoon 568 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: animal as their mascot. 569 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? 570 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: Be weird? Well, one thing about the subjectivity of it 571 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: and the fact that it is a closed book and 572 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: they filmmakers don't even know, you know, how to tailor 573 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: their movie to achieve a certain rating, I mean to 574 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: within a certain degree. But they've learned how to manipulate 575 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: it because there is no set standard by if you 576 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: watch that film as not yet rated. And you've heard 577 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: plenty of stories over the years about filmmakers intentionally putting 578 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: in things that they never intend to be in the 579 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: final movie. Oh yeah, just to sort of distract from 580 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: some of the other things. So they'll shoot something kind 581 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: of really outrageous to get the MPA's Raiders haunches up 582 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: and what they were never going to keep that part anyway, right, 583 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: So they're subverting the system because there is no set standard. 584 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're just the stuff they want to keep 585 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: in is comparatively exactly more palatable. 586 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: And if you don't have the set standard, where you 587 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: can go and I wonder what those sheets look like 588 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: on the interior, you know. I mean that's the great mystery. Yeah, 589 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: surely they have their own interior standards. They're not just 590 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: like watch it and see what you think. 591 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: Well, they have group discussions too, man, I'd love to 592 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: sit in on those. 593 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: So the I read Another criticism of MPa is that 594 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: the difference between PG thirteen movies and our movies these 595 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: days is the profanity and the sexuality. That they're similar 596 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: in violence, if not more violent in PG thirteen movies, 597 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: and that this is kind of messed up, that the 598 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: NPAA has very little problem with violence. Yeah, but when 599 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: it comes to bad words or sexuality of almost any 600 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: nature except for women being objectified and men being gratified, Yeah, 601 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 2: then the MPAA suddenly puckers up. Well. 602 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, in any a woman achieving receiving sexual gratification, or 603 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: a homosexual couple, yeah. 604 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: Virtually like guaranteed or depending on how they do it, 605 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: are if it's coming out of like one of the 606 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 2: major studios. 607 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: So in other words, a man can receive pleasure from 608 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: a woman, and of course it's scrutinized somewhat, because any 609 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: kind of sex is more heavily scrutinized than violence, right, 610 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: but if a woman does like you said, or if 611 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: it's a gay couple, it's all over so homophobic, misogynistic. 612 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: You decide right, and fetishistic of violence, you know. 613 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, here's one example. There's a great article called 614 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: don't Expect any major changes to the NPA rating system 615 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Yeah, and it's basically Chris Dodd, who's 616 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: the new head and the gang, digging in and saying, 617 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: you know what, we talked to your average parents and 618 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: we pull them and this is what they want. But 619 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: they release No, none of those studies are released. Yeah, 620 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: none of those conversations are released. A movie like Filamina, 621 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: which you saw, was rated at R. Yeah. It was 622 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: about a lady looking for a long lost sun. 623 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: It was so far from an R movie, it was ridiculous. 624 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it had a couple of F bombs in it, 625 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: so they cut those out and they bring it to 626 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: a PG thirteen. You might think, who cares cut up 627 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: the F bombs make it PG thirteen, But there's something 628 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: bigger going on here, you know. 629 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great AV Club article about how just 630 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: totally out of step a lot of the ratings are 631 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: and they have fifteen movies listed and basically talk about 632 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: their ratings, like the first one. They talk about once. Yeah, 633 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: that romantic. It wasn't like a romantic comedy, wasn't. 634 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: No, I would say it was a other sweet just 635 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: a modern day romance told through music. It wasn't a musical, 636 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of musical numbers. 637 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: Highly inoffensive love story. Yeah, very sweet movie. It had 638 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: the same rating as Hostile Too, which is basically torture porn. 639 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: They both got the same rating. 640 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we should read this first line from the av club. 641 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: In early summer of two thousand and seven, two films 642 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: were released with our ratings. One featured a scene where 643 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: a naked woman is suspended from a ceiling while another 644 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: naked woman slashes her with a scyth and bays in 645 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: her blood. The other featured two Dublin musicians singing songs together, 646 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: falling in love and opting not to act on it. 647 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Like there was never any sex scene. They didn't even 648 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: get together. Really, Nope, they're both rated. 649 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: Are both rated are because of profanity. 650 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Rushmore rated R for the uh scene at the end, 651 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: whether Max is putting on the play the Vietnam play 652 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: and there is a shot of a couple of little 653 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: kids looking at on the set. There's some Playboy centerfolds 654 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: up in the locker, yep, like on the Vietnam set, 655 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: and it shows these little kids like looking at those 656 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: like a twelve year old would probably do. 657 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: And it got an R for that, got an R 658 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: for that. Happiness Todd Solins one of my favorite movies 659 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: of all time. Yeah, they tried to give it an 660 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: NC seventeen rating, and he said, you know what, I'm 661 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: not cutting anything. You can just go take a long 662 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: walk off a short pier, is what I think, he 663 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: famously said to them. Yeah, and he released his movie 664 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: as unrated. 665 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 3: Oh really, yep, I don't think I knew that. 666 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 2: Wait to go, Todd Solins. 667 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: Or if you're looking at some serious homophobia, The Great 668 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine movie and Longtime Companion features no real 669 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: sex acts at all, nothing explicit. In fact, the AV 670 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: Club says it could show on network TV today with 671 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: just a few alterations. But it was about a gay 672 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: couple and uh so I got an NC seventeen. 673 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. There was something called Afternoon Delight, which was a 674 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: movie about a woman who hires a giglow and it 675 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: apparently is heavy on the the woman receiving sexual gratification. 676 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: It got an R rating despite and it got an 677 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: OUR rating after apparently the director cut a lot of 678 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 2: stuff out and the director said, what the hey after 679 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 2: Wolfe of Wall Street came out. 680 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 3: Like have you seen this movie with like some very. 681 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: Graphic apparent sex scenes between a man and a woman. 682 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 2: But Leonardo DiCaprio is the one enjoying it the most, 683 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: So it's fine. It's an R, right, blue is the 684 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 2: warmest color. 685 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Last year that a teenage lesbian love story, and 686 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: since seventeen, yeah, got a lot of attention, and there 687 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: were some theaters that allowed high school age kids to 688 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: go see that anyway. 689 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: Because again, this isn't law, it's not binding, it's up 690 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: to the theaters. 691 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so strange that such a small group 692 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: of people have such influence on such a large industry. 693 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 2: And yeah, the secret the more you dig into it, 694 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: the more conflicts of interest arise, and the more arbitrary 695 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 2: the standards become, the more blood boiling it is. I 696 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: highly recommend you go read some stuff like rated R 697 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 2: for ridiculous by Kirby Dick his Little uh yeah, his 698 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 2: little op ed about the MPAA that one US News 699 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 2: and World Report article you wrote or suggested it was good. 700 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: I wish I wrote it. 701 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: Had you been there, would have been used correctly. 702 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: Oh did they misuse it? 703 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 2: What? Yeah? I know? 704 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: Terrible. So the MPa will defend themselves and they say 705 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: that there's no such bias and that we all these 706 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: objectionable scenes are rated on the quality and how graphic 707 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: it is. But if you just look at the you'd 708 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: have to be a dummy not to see these correlations, right, 709 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that they don't seem to care that 710 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: much about violence in this age where I don't know, 711 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: does it influence people to go shoot up a school? 712 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: Who knows? 713 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 2: Did you see that John Oliver quote that's going. 714 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: Around, Yes, but what was it? 715 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: It's like somebody unsuccessfully tries to carry a bomb onto 716 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 2: a plane in their shoe. We all take our shoes off, right. 717 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: There's like thirty something school shootings after Columbine and absolutely 718 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: nothing's changed. 719 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. Or the onion article that's going around too now, 720 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: is this is something that can't be prevented, says the 721 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: only country where this kind of thing happens all the time, 722 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: something like that. 723 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 2: Huh, I'm paraphrasing, Oh yeah, that's the onion. 724 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, MPa. Keep keep doing the fighting, the 725 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: good fight. 726 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Go check out, like, just go start reading up 727 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 2: on it. It's funny how much we just take this 728 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 2: stuff for granted, but when just start digging just slightly 729 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 2: beneath the surface at the very least. See this film 730 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: is not yet rated. It's really good. Yeah, really engrossing. 731 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 2: And you know, for every one hundred documentaries that come out, 732 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 2: what five of them are like really great? Sure, most 733 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: of them are pretty good, some are terrible. So any 734 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 2: really good one is worth seeing just in and of itself. 735 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: Agreed. 736 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 2: If you want to learn more about the MPAA, type 737 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 2: those letters into the search part housetifforks dot com. And 738 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: I said, search parts, it's time for listener mail. Uh. 739 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this wild Parrots. Josh mentioned in the 740 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: Tattoo podcast that he had heard parrots like to hang 741 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: together when free, and I wanted to burst in the 742 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: podcast booth and tell you about the wild pay of 743 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I'm not going to get into it except 744 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: to say that, over the course of my life, the 745 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: parrots in San Francisco are a sort of living legend 746 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: that one would occaionally get the privilege of spotting now 747 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: and then. However, about three years ago, I moved in 748 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: with my aunt in the little San Francisco suburb of Brisbane, 749 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: and apparently the famous flocks of parrots were also making 750 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: their home there. Since it was warmer, unless windy, these 751 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: parrots were often hanging right outside my bedroom window, which 752 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: is pretty amazing or no, she says, amusing. I say 753 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: it's amazing, but also somewhat annoying, especially since my first 754 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: son was just a little guy then and a very 755 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: light sleeper. And these suckers are loud, that is true, 756 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: they are very loud. Also, guys, I'm sending you the 757 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: link to watch the preview of the two thousand and 758 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: three documentary The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill. So I 759 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: didn't know there was a documentary. 760 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 2: I've heard that. Yeah, I've heard of that before. I 761 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: never knew what it was about. 762 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: Amy. I will check that out. 763 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for writing it. Yeah, thanks a lot. Amy. 764 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 2: If you have a documentary recommendation, we are always interested 765 00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 2: in those. 766 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: Heck. 767 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tweet them to us at s YSK podcast. 768 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 2: You can post them on Facebook. Dot com, slash stuff 769 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 2: you Should Know, and you can send us an email 770 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 2: to Stuff Podcast at houstuffworks dot com and as always, 771 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 2: joined us at our home on the web, the Beautiful 772 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know dot com. 773 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: For more on this and thousands of other topics, visit 774 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: HowStuffWorks dot com.