Speaker 1: I interviewed OJ Simpson. We're just sitting next to each other,
Speaker 1: like four feet apart, and he goes, you think I
Speaker 1: did it? And I go did what I wanted him
Speaker 1: to say it? So I said did what? And he
Speaker 1: said killed those two people?
Speaker 2: And I said, yes, calm down with Erin and Carissa
Speaker 2: is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Part two of
Speaker 2: our Conversation with Dan Patrick.
Speaker 3: Then this show Hello, because.
Speaker 2: One episode with Dan Patrick is not enough. This guy's
Speaker 2: career is so good. We had to ask him more
Speaker 2: questions and this one are you ready for an incredible
Speaker 2: story about OJ Simpson? We also go I go to
Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick School of interviewing. I mean, just five
Speaker 2: minutes with this guy? How good was that? I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll actually get invited to the Sports Emmys this year?
Speaker 2: And how much longer he's going to keep doing this?
Speaker 2: Stay with us, Dan Patrick? Part two up NEXTO on
Speaker 2: the Big Show. So, Dan, you are so skilled at
Speaker 2: so many things that you do. Erin and I both
Speaker 2: interview people as well for a living. I want to
Speaker 2: know the art of the interview through the lens of
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick because I'm constantly trying to figure out and
Speaker 2: learn and take advice, yield advice from people that I respect.
Speaker 2: What makes a good interviewer be curious.
Speaker 1: Like, always be curious. It's not about you. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with the question that makes it seem like you
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. If you say why, but we
Speaker 1: get caught up in oh my god, they're going to
Speaker 1: think I don't know. So you're going to ask a question,
Speaker 1: answer the question, then ask the question. It's terrible, yes,
Speaker 1: just get to the question. Just ask the question. And
Speaker 1: because the less time I have you to be able
Speaker 1: to load up with an answer or maybe bullshit me,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a disservice to my aunt. And I always
Speaker 1: think when I'm interviewing, my job is to be a
Speaker 1: conduit to the people who are listening or watching. It's
Speaker 1: my job to get them something that keeps them in
Speaker 1: their car or they go, oh, did you hear that interview?
Speaker 1: And if you're selfless, then you'll ask open ended questions
Speaker 1: and be curious and always be ready with the follow up.
Speaker 1: Athletes try not to tell us things, or coaches try
Speaker 1: not to tell us things. Your job is. They're going
Speaker 1: to tell you something. You just have to listen for
Speaker 1: it and then when you follow up, that's when you
Speaker 1: get gold. I remember when Scotty Pippen was being interviewed
Speaker 1: by all these people and he had something to say
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan and Lebron and everybody was, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you hear what Scotty had to say. Well, in
Speaker 1: the same conversation, he talked about race played a role
Speaker 1: in phil wanting Scotty did not take the last shot.
Speaker 1: Tony Kukoach was going to take the last shot in
Speaker 1: the game and Scotty sat down and I said, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's the quote he'd basically called Phil and
Speaker 1: a racist. And I said to Fritzy my book, I said,
Speaker 1: see if you can get Scottia and he was promoting
Speaker 1: as whiskey or bourbon or something tequila maybe, and I
Speaker 1: ask him, I said, what are you saying about Phil?
Speaker 1: And he said no, he basically was saying he's a racist.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, nobody's listening, like they're listening for
Speaker 1: what gets clicks. And gets clicks is when you talk
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan and Lebron James, not Phil Jackson. And
Speaker 1: I just remember it was like it hit me that
Speaker 1: are we really listening? Are we only listening for what
Speaker 1: works in today's social media climate. And I don't do
Speaker 1: social media. I'm not on social media. I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in social media. I'm aware of it. If I make
Speaker 1: a mistake, somebody points that out. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I don't need it as a you know, reassurance. But
Speaker 1: I think you know how we ask questions? Who's asking questions?
Speaker 1: And I think journalism is sort of in small letters now,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's capital letters. And that's where I
Speaker 1: think we get into trouble sometimes hot takes. That's really important.
Speaker 1: But when you sit down and you ask questions, ask
Speaker 1: the question, and don't be afraid because this isn't about
Speaker 1: that guy being your buddy or you know that woman
Speaker 1: being your buddy. Your job is still to get that
Speaker 1: answer to your audience, and if you always believe in
Speaker 1: that and stay true to that, you can't go wrong.
Speaker 1: But make it about the subject, not about you and
Speaker 1: your questions.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Now I'm rethinking everything I want to ask my sistic
Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Well? I would I not to tell you how to
Speaker 1: do your job, but I would like to know, like,
Speaker 1: what makes you want to be part of the media, Like,
Speaker 1: what what part of the media do you enjoy? Because
Speaker 1: he he is good, Yeah, he's good on his podcast
Speaker 1: and he's got things to say, and he's young, and
Speaker 1: I'm just curious that new wave of athlete. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we got the nil guys and then we got you know,
Speaker 1: these guys. You have a podcast and what do you say?
Speaker 1: And can you say it? And are you saying it
Speaker 1: on here? But you won't say it to the media
Speaker 1: when you do a press conferent, Like those are things
Speaker 1: that I find really fascinating because today's athlete is far
Speaker 1: ahead of the game in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 1: really naive in a lot of ways too.
Speaker 2: You've done everything covered World Series and Bay Finals, Olympics,
Speaker 2: your time at ESPN, your time at NBC, and your
Speaker 2: own show. Is there something you would go back and
Speaker 2: do differently? Or you appreciative of the past that you've.
Speaker 1: Been see I would have critiqued you right there. Tell
Speaker 1: me what would you have done differently?
Speaker 3: What would you have done differently?
Speaker 1: You don't even add the end of it.
Speaker 4: I love you now. I do this to my wife
Speaker 4: and I do this to my kids. Tell us again,
Speaker 4: so good and it messes. That's the way you think. Dan,
Speaker 4: did you deal with John Swatsky at ESPN?
Speaker 2: Yes, he in a great way sucked my head up,
Speaker 2: like what we're when? Why? How do not ask two
Speaker 2: part questions? Like it's screws my brain app but it's great.
Speaker 1: John Sawantsky changed my career.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: John was in a magazine. There was an article and
Speaker 1: it was like the King of interviewing or King of
Speaker 1: the question. And I read it and I said to
Speaker 1: John Walsh, who was running Sports Center, I said, we
Speaker 1: have to get him here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so he got him here five days, eight hours.
Speaker 1: And people were like write in MF and me like
Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god, why did you? And
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, this is unbelievable. It was
Speaker 1: a treasure trove of things that could help you. Tips
Speaker 1: laying down breadcrumbs, like take them here, take them here.
Speaker 1: Where are you going? What's your end game? What's your
Speaker 1: first question? Now? We went toe to toe a lot
Speaker 1: of times because I said, you've never interviewed Mike Tyson,
Speaker 1: you've never interviewed Dennis Rodman. Your law is your rules,
Speaker 1: your tips won't apply. And he goes, I beg to different.
Speaker 1: I go, I know because I've done that. I have
Speaker 1: interviewed them, and there is no way to really go
Speaker 1: into that with his formula. But the other stuff was
Speaker 1: wonderful open ended question. I'll sit around the table with
Speaker 1: my kids, my wife and I used to go, how
Speaker 1: is your day good? And I go, okay, tell me
Speaker 1: what was the best part of your day? And so
Speaker 1: then they would give you an answer. And then after
Speaker 1: a while they caught on and they go, you interviewing down,
Speaker 1: or you really.
Speaker 3: I love it? Though I love it, you have.
Speaker 1: To get into Do it to your boyfriend, do it
Speaker 1: to your husband. Just ask a question. They won't realize it.
Speaker 1: But when you say, hey, how you doing good? Hey,
Speaker 1: what was fun today? Or what was interesting today? Then
Speaker 1: you get conversation. And I always tell people when you
Speaker 1: get married, you fall in love, but you stay married
Speaker 1: because you like that person. So find out if you
Speaker 1: like being around them by talking to them.
Speaker 2: Don't do this, do that, don't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to screw up. You've gotten this far
Speaker 1: without me. I've helped you with other relationships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Oh, get out of them. So wait, so okay,
Speaker 2: let me ask the question. In the Dan Patrick School
Speaker 2: of Interviewing, this is this is my test. Okay, so Dan,
Speaker 2: you have covered World Series. NBA don't have to do that.
Speaker 2: They don't have to do that. You're out of information
Speaker 2: that they know about.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I thought I was starting. I thought I had to swatch. Like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't do your question now, I don't know. My
Speaker 2: question is what would you do differently?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it? What would you do differently in your career?
Speaker 3: What would you do differently in your career?
Speaker 1: Nothing? I learned. I learned the right way. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got humiliated, I got kicked to the curb. I
Speaker 1: came back. I started something on my own. I'm proud of,
Speaker 1: like you're proud of. It's like you know when a
Speaker 1: supermodel gets wrinkles, like that's life. You know you've been smiling.
Speaker 1: It's okay. And I just and I didn't call myself
Speaker 1: a supermodel, by the way, I'm just saying that you
Speaker 1: you're not. It's not perfect, and I tried to be
Speaker 1: perfect when I started this. Every sports center I did,
Speaker 1: every single one. I'd get done, i'd grab the tape,
Speaker 1: I'd go upstairs and I would watch the entire sports
Speaker 1: center because I was looking for things that I did wrong,
Speaker 1: and I thought, what am I like? So you're kind
Speaker 1: Even I'd make a mistake on camera and I'd be
Speaker 1: thinking about it through the whole show. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have gone through that where you
Speaker 1: make a mistake pregame or something and you're going, oh, god,
Speaker 1: damn it, it's just there. But I was looking for
Speaker 1: everything that was wrong. Howd the tie look, how did
Speaker 1: my hair look? How did I sound? And it was
Speaker 1: just I was driving myself crazy because I couldn't just
Speaker 1: go out there and go I made a mistake. I
Speaker 1: can deal with it. And it took a long time
Speaker 1: to do that. And you know, Keith Oberman helped immensely
Speaker 1: because he's like, DP, fuck it, move on and then
Speaker 1: he's right. But in the moment, you're like, god, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to be perfect. You know, that's
Speaker 1: probably why I got to where I am. But it
Speaker 1: also can really, you know, take its toll on you
Speaker 1: because you want to be great all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: the motto is every day is the super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: if you don't have that approach, then you're going to
Speaker 1: fall in your face sometimes because you weren't prepared. And
Speaker 1: it goes back to that first day in radio when
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to pronounce the Iyahtola's name, and
Speaker 1: I never forgot that feeling of being humiliated, and so
Speaker 1: it's always there, you know, forty years later, I'm emotional.
Speaker 2: I'm emotional because I am. I'm like sitting here crying
Speaker 2: because a lot of this is relatable. But also I
Speaker 2: was telling Chris one question I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 2: was I feel like in this whole thing has been
Speaker 2: like just like a relay race, right, you just go
Speaker 2: as fast as you can because you want to keep
Speaker 2: up and you want to keep reinventing yourself, you want
Speaker 2: to stay relevant, but you don't take the time to
Speaker 2: enjoy it. This is so special that we have you
Speaker 2: in our lives. We have you the somebody we looked
Speaker 2: up to, we wanted to be like, we wanted to
Speaker 2: work with, and we have you as a friend and
Speaker 2: just to hear you tell these stories that you know
Speaker 2: are so passionate and things that we are so interested in.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never celebrate it. I never celebrated. I never stopped.
Speaker 1: And my wife goes celebrate the victories. I go, hun,
Speaker 1: I need big victories hard, like Hey, you know you're
Speaker 1: going to win an award. And she would say no,
Speaker 1: like did you have a good show? I say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I guess she goes, but you
Speaker 1: got to celebrate it and I and she was so
Speaker 1: right as she always is, and I just missed out
Speaker 1: on that. So I would say to you, guys, man,
Speaker 1: the all things, and you know, having a baby, just
Speaker 1: those small things, those are things you should be doing
Speaker 1: in your career, noticing the small things. It's like when
Speaker 1: your baby does something small and you go, God, did
Speaker 1: you see that? That was awesome? She ate an avocado?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like have fun and remember it because
Speaker 1: you chase constantly. I did. I kept thinking, well, next
Speaker 1: job or next paycheck or next raise, or next next, next, next, next, next,
Speaker 1: And I never ever stopped. It's okay to look open
Speaker 1: the scrap book and just go, yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 1: Okay people and the memories.
Speaker 3: So let's let's do this.
Speaker 2: As I applied, Mike, you have a few more minutes
Speaker 2: for us, because I know we're.
Speaker 1: Already I have I have life for you.
Speaker 2: I love you, Thank you. I know to me right now,
Speaker 2: she's a mother, she's emotional.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a mother too. I'm a mother too.
Speaker 3: The best part is, Dani're one of the funniest people
Speaker 3: we know.
Speaker 2: Aaron and I cry ever and here we are, okay,
Speaker 2: so rapid fire. Since somebody's by Dan Patrick's school of
Speaker 2: question asking favorite interview, I don't have one.
Speaker 3: Least favorite interview.
Speaker 1: Ooh, Tanya Harding was was painful. Why there you go?
Speaker 1: Right there? Boom, that's what you do? Why Well? I
Speaker 1: brought up Nancy Kerrigan. She I had never interviewed her,
Speaker 1: and she had found religion, and I wanted to know
Speaker 1: how her religion accepted what she did and what she was,
Speaker 1: how she was a part of Nancy Carrigan and and
Speaker 1: you know, her husband and all those things, and so good.
Speaker 1: She follow up, She goes, are we are we going
Speaker 1: to really talk about this? And I go yes, And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I hear hold on, Paul
Speaker 1: wants talk to you. Well, I don't know who Paul is.
Speaker 1: Paul goes, Dan, we're going down this road, and I go, uh,
Speaker 1: who are you Jeff's brother. I'm her agent and ur
Speaker 1: PR person, and I go, look, I've never had so
Speaker 1: they cut short the interview, But I just wanted to
Speaker 1: ask her about it. I interviewed OJ Simpson. This was
Speaker 1: after the double murder, and.
Speaker 3: What was your first question.
Speaker 1: I don't remember my first question because we were we
Speaker 1: were talking football. Okay, I made a terrible mistake. Iwa.
Speaker 1: I think was playing USC and the Orange Bowl, and
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, Oj, you know he was
Speaker 1: found not guilty. He was still a wonderful football player.
Speaker 1: Maybe we talked to OJ Simpson, well he agrees, and
Speaker 1: we just talked football and USC and all those things,
Speaker 1: and we were changing tapes. So I did thirty minutes
Speaker 1: and then we stopped. And so you know, that feels
Speaker 1: like forever when somebody's reloading their camera and it's just
Speaker 1: him and we're just sitting next to each other and
Speaker 1: like four feet apart, and he goes, you think I
Speaker 1: did it? And I go did what? And he said
Speaker 1: kill you? Yes, but I wanted him to say it,
Speaker 1: so I said did what and he said killed those
Speaker 1: two people? And I said yes, And then my cameraman goes, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're ready to roll.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, yeah wow.
Speaker 1: Then he kept trying to tell me how he was
Speaker 1: not guilty, and he goes, you don't know how crazy
Speaker 1: my life is do you know that I was in
Speaker 1: Vegas and I walked by a room and they were
Speaker 1: shooting a porn and they wanted me oj to be
Speaker 1: in the porn, and like it was going, it was
Speaker 1: going in a direction where it wasn't going to make error.
Speaker 1: And I just let him talk. But he was trying
Speaker 1: to convince me because I just told him to his face. Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought that he killed you know, his his wife,
Speaker 1: oh Ron Golden. Yeah. So that one was an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, I thought was going to beat me up. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd ask him. He had been suspended for cocaine use
Speaker 1: and he read a statement to the print media and
Speaker 1: I was at training camp and then he came out.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let camera people in and he came out
Speaker 1: and he was walking to his car, and I was
Speaker 1: working at CNN at the time, and I said, would
Speaker 1: you read the statement on camera? And then he said,
Speaker 1: you need to get the real story. And I said,
Speaker 1: I have the full story. I talked to your agent.
Speaker 1: And then he walked away, and then I thought, oh god,
Speaker 1: all right, here I go, and I went up to
Speaker 1: him again. I said, look, I need you to read
Speaker 1: that on camera. You know that I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: be in there. They wouldn't allow cameras. And then he
Speaker 1: had the darkest sunglasses on ever. I could see the
Speaker 1: whites of his eyes through his sunglasses and he said
Speaker 1: staring at me, and I go, oh, my gosh. I
Speaker 1: felt like I was Ken O'Brien and the Jets and
Speaker 1: he was coming after me, sack me. And this is
Speaker 1: my neighbor.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Awesome, he's a good guy. I felt He's one of
Speaker 1: the first guys I ever felt bad for. I saw
Speaker 1: fear in his eyes when Lawrence Taylor was chasing him
Speaker 1: during a game, and I go that that is fear
Speaker 1: right there, that is fear. But he got into his
Speaker 1: he had a dark blue portie and he peeled out
Speaker 1: and Peter King was working I think for news Day.
Speaker 1: He runs out, he goes what did he say? And
Speaker 1: I told him the story, and I think Peter quoted
Speaker 1: me in Newsday that Lawrence Taylor basically told me to
Speaker 1: get fucked as he got his car. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are the moments that people don't really care. Like when
Speaker 1: you're getting in the business, you don't you know that
Speaker 1: that you don't want to have these moments like you
Speaker 1: don't have these moments come on, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you do where you know, sometimes you're asking a tough
Speaker 1: question and you know, I just I just try to
Speaker 1: be professional the best. I can never try to be sensationalistic,
Speaker 1: and I don't do gotcha. I don't do any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. But there are times when you go, God,
Speaker 1: this is going to hurt. When I asked this question, boss,
Speaker 1: so you gotta do it.
Speaker 2: Was there an interview that you wanted, didn't think that
Speaker 2: you would get and you got it.
Speaker 1: Let's see now I could say yes or no to that, right.
Speaker 2: Who was a person that you wanted to interview and
Speaker 2: he didn't think you could get it, but.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan during the NBA Finals when he
Speaker 1: wasn't talking to the media and then I got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk. I had a great relationship with him.
Speaker 1: I don't really know him, but he was very generous
Speaker 1: with me and he knew that I was I could
Speaker 1: push him a little bit and he was playful. I
Speaker 1: thought he was different when he was on Sports Center
Speaker 1: after they would win those championship hips and I another interview.
Speaker 1: I got that that's really not headline worthy. But John
Speaker 1: Stockton never did interviews. Never the NBA Finals, NBC would
Speaker 1: be trying, Jim Gray would be trying to get John
Speaker 1: Stockton to sit down, and I just remember saying to
Speaker 1: the PRG. I was just trying to be funny and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, love to have you know, John to
Speaker 1: sit down for an interview. And he goes, I'll ask,
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, just for shits and giggles comes
Speaker 1: back and he goes, John'll do it. Where do you
Speaker 1: want to do it? And I go what? So we
Speaker 1: sat down at the interview. I just remember NBC is like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you wait a minute? You know, why don't
Speaker 1: you do an interview with us? And I go, I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I just ask. And I always say
Speaker 1: that don't be afraid to ask. Cool if you can
Speaker 1: take no, which I happened through most of my high
Speaker 1: school and college career with women, like if you can
Speaker 1: if you can take a know and keep coming back,
Speaker 1: then you know that's you got to have that that
Speaker 1: fixed skin, you have to have callouses. And I just remember,
Speaker 1: you just asked, you know, I had no problem asking,
Speaker 1: and if you got rejected, you're like, okay.
Speaker 2: Do you think you could ask Michael Jordan to do
Speaker 2: Calm Down as well like we can book of that'd
Speaker 2: be a neat h.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have that pipeline to him anymore, but
Speaker 1: he I would still love to follow up with him,
Speaker 1: and I would love to talk business with him. His
Speaker 1: business acumen and the fact that his mom played this
Speaker 1: important role and what would happen if he, you know,
Speaker 1: stayed with the Didas didn't want to go to Nike.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, these small little decisions that
Speaker 1: somebody makes, and you go, that's a billion dollar decision
Speaker 1: right there, if not more a couple of billion dollars.
Speaker 1: And all it was was, we're going there and we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're going to talk to these people at Nike,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you're just sometimes it takes that
Speaker 1: it's just a small thing with a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: And they're competitive too. I find this too in interviewing.
Speaker 1: You got to be competitive with somebody competitive, don't be
Speaker 1: afraid to let them know you know what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and go after them a little bit. Pat Riley famously
Speaker 1: shut me down one time. Don Shula shut me down
Speaker 1: one time because they didn't think I knew what I
Speaker 1: was talking about, and they could have been correct, But
Speaker 1: what I was asking was not, you know, something really serious.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't goodwill hunting and I'm solving a
Speaker 1: problem on a chalkboard. But I asked Jack Ramsey, I said,
Speaker 1: give me a question. I can ask pat Riley NBA
Speaker 1: Finals and Jack Jack was just a wonderful, wonderful man.
Speaker 2: He goes, Dan, bakers are Miami. Who is he with?
Speaker 1: He was with the Knicks?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Nick Kay, yeah, the Knicks. So he goes, Dan,
Speaker 1: this is what you ask him? And so he's got
Speaker 1: this elaborate thing, and I'm so. I go over there.
Speaker 1: It's a you know, a group interview with Riley. And
Speaker 1: I asked the question and he didn't even answer. He
Speaker 1: looked at me and he didn't even answer it. And
Speaker 1: I walked back over and Jack goes, what did he say, Dan?
Speaker 1: I said, he didn't say anything. He goes, he knew
Speaker 1: you knew something. I go, I don't. I just think
Speaker 1: I just embarrassed myself in front of him. He goes, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't, Dan, you learned from me, like you know,
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, wonderful man. And he was trying
Speaker 1: to Hey, I think he knew that Riley knew that
Speaker 1: Jack gave me the question to ask him, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to give up the answer to the reporters there.
Speaker 1: That's all right, you know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: That's why Rogers is so hard for me sometimes because
Speaker 2: he and Andrew Locke was really hard Chris. I know,
Speaker 2: he was just on your Thursday Night show. Because they're
Speaker 2: smarter than you. I'll never I'll you know, and Rogers
Speaker 2: knows what's coming, luck New and I was like, damn it,
Speaker 2: stop being so smart.
Speaker 3: Just listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I find those they'll play you know, kind
Speaker 1: of verbal tennis with you a little bit. They'll help
Speaker 1: you do your job. I found Rogers would be engaging.
Speaker 1: And when I talked to him after the draft when
Speaker 1: they took Jordan Love and I said, you know, why
Speaker 1: forefingers with your tequila? And he said there wasn't any
Speaker 1: any more tequila, like he had that amount of tequila
Speaker 1: only because that's all the tequila that was left at
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, so you're asking him about
Speaker 1: that process and he allowed me to go into his
Speaker 1: home when I was asking the quest. And that's all
Speaker 1: you want is if you break through the barrier. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you do when you get in the house.
Speaker 1: Are we sitting in the living room, the kitchen, are
Speaker 1: we going down to the man cave? Are we going
Speaker 1: to the bedroom? But I want to know where where
Speaker 1: are we going? Is it going to be a fun,
Speaker 1: intimate conversation. Is it going to be sort of status quo?
Speaker 1: Like I want to be in the kitchen with you?
Speaker 1: Living room? Nothing good happens in the living room now
Speaker 1: except for the Christmas train and that's it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know when whenever you go over and you
Speaker 1: you were meeting a girl and you were going to
Speaker 1: take her to prom, and you went in the living
Speaker 1: room like it was always and they'd have plastic on
Speaker 1: the furniture, Like nothing good happens in the living room.
Speaker 1: But you get into the kitchen with an athlete or
Speaker 1: a coach or something, then it's like just sitting around
Speaker 1: and it becomes a little bit more of a let's chat.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I always tell my students. Don't
Speaker 1: interview somebody. Have a conversation with somebody, because then it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like an interrogation because if I ask you
Speaker 1: questions and I'm like you know, peppering you, you're gonna
Speaker 1: tense up a little bit. But if we're having a conversation,
Speaker 1: then I feel like, okay, let me hear your tone
Speaker 1: and that'll tell that kind of dictates. You can have
Speaker 1: a velvet hammer. That's the way I view it is, Hey,
Speaker 1: it may hurt, but it's not gonna hurt as much,
Speaker 1: or it's gonna look better than a hammer coming at you.
Speaker 1: It'll be a velvet hammer. But ask that question and
Speaker 1: get that conversation going, because when you do, that's when
Speaker 1: they forget they're being interviewed. And it's and it's hard
Speaker 1: to do that, really hard, but when you do, then
Speaker 1: you got magic and that's all you want. You want
Speaker 1: that sound bite. And I always respected when the when
Speaker 1: you had to ask two questions, you got your two
Speaker 1: questions on the sidelines, I'd be like, God love you, man,
Speaker 1: God love you, because I couldn't do it so hard.
Speaker 1: What are you going to say to your team? Second half?
Speaker 1: Like like, coach, what do you need to work on?
Speaker 1: After that? Every goddamn thing is what I need to do.
Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, Contractually I get to ask
Speaker 1: you one more question.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I want to see you
Speaker 2: interview Mike McDaniel on the sideline at half time with
Speaker 2: that questions, my dream is to see Dan Patrick interview
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel at halftime.
Speaker 1: And then I reached out. I had Fritzie reach out
Speaker 1: to Mike McDaniel two weeks ago and I said, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you on the show. And the
Speaker 1: message we got back was I'd like to talk to
Speaker 1: Dan in the off season.
Speaker 2: Huh, that was it, because he wants to talk for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 1: I I I love it. I love you know when
Speaker 1: everybody is a cookie cutter and it's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the coach. Nobody wants that. I want a guy who
Speaker 1: like is difficult, irascible. I mean, I don't want Belichick
Speaker 1: or Popovich, per se because that's not good for, you know,
Speaker 1: our jobs. But when you get somebody who wants to
Speaker 1: kind of push back at you a little bit, give
Speaker 1: you a ship like Jim Beheim always wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: push back, John Caliperry wanted to give me ship. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what you want because there, as I say
Speaker 1: to my daughter's boyfriends, if I like you, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you a ship and if I don't, then
Speaker 1: you know anything, time to pack your back. Like you
Speaker 1: just have fun with somebody that you care about or
Speaker 1: you want to engage with. And I've been fortunate that
Speaker 1: you can kind of push back a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bob Knight became.
Speaker 2: Right in front of your microphone.
Speaker 1: That is Lou Holtz at our.
Speaker 3: The red sweater and the white shirt underneath. I thought
Speaker 3: it was job.
Speaker 1: I have Bob Knight, a big doll back there, a
Speaker 1: big carving or something. People send me stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I got this is,
Speaker 1: I have this man case. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it in my career is over because
Speaker 1: I have to take all this stuff home and you
Speaker 1: know my wife loves that. You know, there's no sports
Speaker 1: stuff at home.
Speaker 2: When is the end of your career? When you wanted
Speaker 2: four more years? Four more years?
Speaker 1: Really? Why? Good?
Speaker 2: Chris?
Speaker 1: Learning that was great. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: do it at a certain level, hopefully maintain that level,
Speaker 1: and then you you bow out. It's a young person's game,
Speaker 1: trying to stay relevant, having the energy, uh, the enthusiasm,
Speaker 1: having something new to tell people. You know, those are
Speaker 1: all challenges. But it's every day where you think about that.
Speaker 1: What I mean there there are shows that I went
Speaker 1: to see one direction, I would go see Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: if I could get the like I want to stay
Speaker 1: young at least in my mind of what is out there,
Speaker 1: what is somebody doing, what are they saying, what are
Speaker 1: the shows that people are watching, the athletes, the younger
Speaker 1: at like all of that stuff, and it's doing your homework.
Speaker 1: And I just want to make sure, you know, I
Speaker 1: do it in a way that you laugh with me,
Speaker 1: not at me. And that's my that's my big concern,
Speaker 1: that's my big fear is damn, he's still doing that,
Speaker 1: like you don't know? Well, I know, but that's unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's the approach I have. It's I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: prove myself after all these years. Every single day, I know,
Speaker 1: but I have no other approach to that. I have
Speaker 1: no other approach. I can't do it any any other way.
Speaker 1: And it's as I said, going back, you don't enjoy
Speaker 1: it because you're always going straight ahead. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with pulling over the side of the road and going
Speaker 1: all right and then getting back in the you know,
Speaker 1: the HOV lane. Or whatever. But that's yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: That's the only way I know how to do it.
Speaker 1: So four more years and then I'll bow out Christmas
Speaker 1: eve in four more years.
Speaker 2: On that illustrious resume. The occasionally accurate annuals.
Speaker 1: We were trying. We were trying why the book every
Speaker 1: football book is serious and it's about gladiators and it's
Speaker 1: about you know, all this stuff. Macho and Joel cohen
Speaker 1: Co wrote the book and he writes for the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: And he called me up and he said, hey, would
Speaker 1: you like to be in a Simpsons episode? And I
Speaker 1: said sure. I said, I want to play myself. He goes, no, no,
Speaker 1: you'll just be a generic announcer. I said, that's playing myself.
Speaker 1: And you're going to do some rock skipping. That's a
Speaker 1: rock skipping competition with Homer Simpson, and you're going to
Speaker 1: do play by play. And I go all in and
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, hey, can you explain to me why
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez gets criticized for the butt fumble when Vince
Speaker 1: Wilford blew up the tackle that bounced into Mark and
Speaker 1: I go and so we started talking and then he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I got one other thing and then he
Speaker 1: would bring something up and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I would say stuff back to it. So we were
Speaker 1: basically exchanging ideas. And then I think after twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: he goes, do you want to write a book? And
Speaker 1: I go sure. Now I didn't know what he was
Speaker 1: talking about. I just said, sure, write a book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then he goes, I'm going to
Speaker 1: write all this stuff down. I'm gonna come back at you.
Speaker 1: And then we just would talk on the phone and
Speaker 1: then it was all tongue in cheek, fun stuff, goofy stuff,
Speaker 1: some serious stuff, some stuff we made up. And I
Speaker 1: just thought, you know what, have a little levity with this,
Speaker 1: have a little fun with this, poke a little fun
Speaker 1: at it. And he was wonderful to just talk to.
Speaker 1: And then Andy Richter from Conan he he had a
Speaker 1: question he wanted to write, Like all of these people
Speaker 1: that he knew were like, Hey, can I tell why?
Speaker 1: You know how I became a Vikings fan and I
Speaker 1: used to sleep naked with the windows open to get
Speaker 1: used to the cold and be And then I'd been like, sure,
Speaker 1: can we talk about nipple Gate? And I said, we
Speaker 1: can talk about whatever you want. Ye I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about Nipplegate, and I go, sure, we're talking Nipplegate here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to rename this book the Random Shit
Speaker 2: you want to talk About with Patrick.
Speaker 1: That might have been a better title than The occasionally
Speaker 1: Accurate Animals. I just love having you trying to say animals.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, we're going to let you go. But before
Speaker 2: we do that, E, do you want anything before we
Speaker 2: let Dan get back.
Speaker 3: To his life.
Speaker 2: No, I just I love you and I hope you're
Speaker 2: well and how is your health? Are you good?
Speaker 1: I'm going into New York once a month, get wired
Speaker 1: up there for a little bit, but a whole lot
Speaker 1: better than I was because I I went down a
Speaker 1: dark hole there for quite some time. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I never I never knew depression. Never, Like when somebody says, oh,
Speaker 1: I suffer from depression, I'm like, how do you suffer
Speaker 1: from depression? Then all of a sudden you get depression
Speaker 1: and you're going, holy shit. So whenever anybody brings it up, now, man,
Speaker 1: I want to know. I want you to talk because
Speaker 1: it's that that was as that I almost quit the business.
Speaker 1: I physically couldn't. I couldn't climb the steps to get
Speaker 1: into the studio, and I'm like, man, I am, I'm
Speaker 1: in bad shape. But everything's good. Better. Got a granddaughter
Speaker 1: and little Josephine, so life is good. She is going
Speaker 1: to be eight months. Oh my god, it's not fair
Speaker 1: how cute she is.
Speaker 2: My dad said, if I knew how great being a
Speaker 2: grandparent was, I would have never been a parent.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: When you're on the it is. Man, you can love
Speaker 1: them and then you just hand them all. That's how I.
Speaker 2: Kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, I'm proud of you too. The women
Speaker 1: you are okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: You're gonna make me cry.
Speaker 1: That's not possible.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I am proud of you. And we've we've navigated some
Speaker 1: some waters. There's certainly, but you know what, I'm glad
Speaker 1: whatever role I play. I'm I'm very happy to be
Speaker 1: a sounding board or just a friend. And just a
Speaker 1: friend is not fair to say I'm proud to be
Speaker 1: a friend.
Speaker 3: No, thank you, Dan for you yet we love you,
Speaker 3: so love you a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for you. Calm Down with Erin and
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