1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I interviewed OJ Simpson. We're just sitting next to each other, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: like four feet apart, and he goes, you think I 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: did it? And I go did what I wanted him 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: to say it? So I said did what? And he 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: said killed those two people? 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: And I said, yes, calm down with Erin and Carissa 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Part two of 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: our Conversation with Dan Patrick. 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: Then this show Hello, because. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: One episode with Dan Patrick is not enough. This guy's 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: career is so good. We had to ask him more 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: questions and this one are you ready for an incredible 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: story about OJ Simpson? We also go I go to 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick School of interviewing. I mean, just five 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: minutes with this guy? How good was that? I mean, 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: maybe I'll actually get invited to the Sports Emmys this year? 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: And how much longer he's going to keep doing this? 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Stay with us, Dan Patrick? Part two up NEXTO on 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: the Big Show. So, Dan, you are so skilled at 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: so many things that you do. Erin and I both 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: interview people as well for a living. I want to 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: know the art of the interview through the lens of 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick because I'm constantly trying to figure out and 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: learn and take advice, yield advice from people that I respect. 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: What makes a good interviewer be curious. 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Like, always be curious. It's not about you. There's nothing 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: wrong with the question that makes it seem like you 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: don't know the answer. If you say why, but we 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: get caught up in oh my god, they're going to 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: think I don't know. So you're going to ask a question, 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: answer the question, then ask the question. It's terrible, yes, 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: just get to the question. Just ask the question. And 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: because the less time I have you to be able 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: to load up with an answer or maybe bullshit me, 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing a disservice to my aunt. And I always 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: think when I'm interviewing, my job is to be a 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: conduit to the people who are listening or watching. It's 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: my job to get them something that keeps them in 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: their car or they go, oh, did you hear that interview? 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: And if you're selfless, then you'll ask open ended questions 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: and be curious and always be ready with the follow up. 42 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Athletes try not to tell us things, or coaches try 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: not to tell us things. Your job is. They're going 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: to tell you something. You just have to listen for 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: it and then when you follow up, that's when you 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: get gold. I remember when Scotty Pippen was being interviewed 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: by all these people and he had something to say 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan and Lebron and everybody was, oh my god, 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: did you hear what Scotty had to say. Well, in 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the same conversation, he talked about race played a role 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: in phil wanting Scotty did not take the last shot. 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: Tony Kukoach was going to take the last shot in 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the game and Scotty sat down and I said, oh 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: my god, that's the quote he'd basically called Phil and 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: a racist. And I said to Fritzy my book, I said, 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: see if you can get Scottia and he was promoting 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: as whiskey or bourbon or something tequila maybe, and I 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: ask him, I said, what are you saying about Phil? 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: And he said no, he basically was saying he's a racist. 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: And I just thought, nobody's listening, like they're listening for 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: what gets clicks. And gets clicks is when you talk 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan and Lebron James, not Phil Jackson. And 63 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I just remember it was like it hit me that 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: are we really listening? Are we only listening for what 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: works in today's social media climate. And I don't do 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: social media. I'm not on social media. I'm not interested 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: in social media. I'm aware of it. If I make 68 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: a mistake, somebody points that out. But other than that, 69 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't need it as a you know, reassurance. But 70 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I think you know how we ask questions? Who's asking questions? 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: And I think journalism is sort of in small letters now, 72 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's capital letters. And that's where I 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: think we get into trouble sometimes hot takes. That's really important. 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: But when you sit down and you ask questions, ask 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: the question, and don't be afraid because this isn't about 76 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: that guy being your buddy or you know that woman 77 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: being your buddy. Your job is still to get that 78 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: answer to your audience, and if you always believe in 79 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: that and stay true to that, you can't go wrong. 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: But make it about the subject, not about you and 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: your questions. 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: I love that. 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: Now I'm rethinking everything I want to ask my sistic 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, what's happening? 85 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Well? I would I not to tell you how to 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: do your job, but I would like to know, like, 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: what makes you want to be part of the media, Like, 88 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: what what part of the media do you enjoy? Because 89 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: he he is good, Yeah, he's good on his podcast 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: and he's got things to say, and he's young, and 91 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm just curious that new wave of athlete. So, you know, 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: we got the nil guys and then we got you know, 93 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: these guys. You have a podcast and what do you say? 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: And can you say it? And are you saying it 95 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: on here? But you won't say it to the media 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: when you do a press conferent, Like those are things 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: that I find really fascinating because today's athlete is far 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: ahead of the game in a lot of ways, but 99 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: really naive in a lot of ways too. 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: You've done everything covered World Series and Bay Finals, Olympics, 101 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: your time at ESPN, your time at NBC, and your 102 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: own show. Is there something you would go back and 103 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: do differently? Or you appreciative of the past that you've. 104 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: Been see I would have critiqued you right there. Tell 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: me what would you have done differently? 106 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: What would you have done differently? 107 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: You don't even add the end of it. 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 4: I love you now. I do this to my wife 109 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: and I do this to my kids. Tell us again, 110 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 4: so good and it messes. That's the way you think. Dan, 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: did you deal with John Swatsky at ESPN? 112 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: Yes, he in a great way sucked my head up, 113 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: like what we're when? Why? How do not ask two 114 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: part questions? Like it's screws my brain app but it's great. 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: John Sawantsky changed my career. 116 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. 117 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: John was in a magazine. There was an article and 118 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: it was like the King of interviewing or King of 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: the question. And I read it and I said to 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: John Walsh, who was running Sports Center, I said, we 121 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: have to get him here. 122 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: And so he got him here five days, eight hours. 124 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: And people were like write in MF and me like 125 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god, why did you? And 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, this is unbelievable. It was 127 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: a treasure trove of things that could help you. Tips 128 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: laying down breadcrumbs, like take them here, take them here. 129 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Where are you going? What's your end game? What's your 130 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: first question? Now? We went toe to toe a lot 131 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: of times because I said, you've never interviewed Mike Tyson, 132 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: you've never interviewed Dennis Rodman. Your law is your rules, 133 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: your tips won't apply. And he goes, I beg to different. 134 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: I go, I know because I've done that. I have 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: interviewed them, and there is no way to really go 136 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: into that with his formula. But the other stuff was 137 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: wonderful open ended question. I'll sit around the table with 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: my kids, my wife and I used to go, how 139 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: is your day good? And I go, okay, tell me 140 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: what was the best part of your day? And so 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: then they would give you an answer. And then after 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: a while they caught on and they go, you interviewing down, 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: or you really. 144 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: I love it? Though I love it, you have. 145 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: To get into Do it to your boyfriend, do it 146 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: to your husband. Just ask a question. They won't realize it. 147 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: But when you say, hey, how you doing good? Hey, 148 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: what was fun today? Or what was interesting today? Then 149 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: you get conversation. And I always tell people when you 150 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 1: get married, you fall in love, but you stay married 151 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: because you like that person. So find out if you 152 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: like being around them by talking to them. 153 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: Don't do this, do that, don't do it. 154 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to screw up. You've gotten this far 155 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: without me. I've helped you with other relationships. 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Oh, get out of them. So wait, so okay, 157 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: let me ask the question. In the Dan Patrick School 158 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: of Interviewing, this is this is my test. Okay, so Dan, 159 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: you have covered World Series. NBA don't have to do that. 160 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: They don't have to do that. You're out of information 161 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: that they know about. 162 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: Okay. 163 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: I thought I was starting. I thought I had to swatch. Like, no, 164 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: I don't do your question now, I don't know. My 165 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: question is what would you do differently? 166 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's it? What would you do differently in your career? 167 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: What would you do differently in your career? 168 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Nothing? I learned. I learned the right way. I mean, 169 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: I got humiliated, I got kicked to the curb. I 170 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: came back. I started something on my own. I'm proud of, 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: like you're proud of. It's like you know when a 172 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: supermodel gets wrinkles, like that's life. You know you've been smiling. 173 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: It's okay. And I just and I didn't call myself 174 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: a supermodel, by the way, I'm just saying that you 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: you're not. It's not perfect, and I tried to be 176 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: perfect when I started this. Every sports center I did, 177 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: every single one. I'd get done, i'd grab the tape, 178 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: I'd go upstairs and I would watch the entire sports 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: center because I was looking for things that I did wrong, 180 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: and I thought, what am I like? So you're kind 181 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Even I'd make a mistake on camera and I'd be 182 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: thinking about it through the whole show. And I don't 183 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: know if you guys have gone through that where you 184 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: make a mistake pregame or something and you're going, oh, god, 185 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: damn it, it's just there. But I was looking for 186 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: everything that was wrong. Howd the tie look, how did 187 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: my hair look? How did I sound? And it was 188 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: just I was driving myself crazy because I couldn't just 189 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: go out there and go I made a mistake. I 190 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: can deal with it. And it took a long time 191 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: to do that. And you know, Keith Oberman helped immensely 192 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: because he's like, DP, fuck it, move on and then 193 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: he's right. But in the moment, you're like, god, I 194 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: want to I want to be perfect. You know, that's 195 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: probably why I got to where I am. But it 196 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: also can really, you know, take its toll on you 197 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: because you want to be great all the time. You know, 198 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: the motto is every day is the super Bowl, and 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: if you don't have that approach, then you're going to 200 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: fall in your face sometimes because you weren't prepared. And 201 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: it goes back to that first day in radio when 202 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to pronounce the Iyahtola's name, and 203 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: I never forgot that feeling of being humiliated, and so 204 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: it's always there, you know, forty years later, I'm emotional. 205 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: I'm emotional because I am. I'm like sitting here crying 206 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: because a lot of this is relatable. But also I 207 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: was telling Chris one question I wanted to ask you, 208 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: was I feel like in this whole thing has been 209 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: like just like a relay race, right, you just go 210 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: as fast as you can because you want to keep 211 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: up and you want to keep reinventing yourself, you want 212 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: to stay relevant, but you don't take the time to 213 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: enjoy it. This is so special that we have you 214 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: in our lives. We have you the somebody we looked 215 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: up to, we wanted to be like, we wanted to 216 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: work with, and we have you as a friend and 217 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: just to hear you tell these stories that you know 218 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: are so passionate and things that we are so interested in. 219 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 220 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: I never celebrate it. I never celebrated. I never stopped. 221 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: And my wife goes celebrate the victories. I go, hun, 222 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I need big victories hard, like Hey, you know you're 223 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: going to win an award. And she would say no, 224 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: like did you have a good show? I say, well, 225 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I guess she goes, but you 226 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: got to celebrate it and I and she was so 227 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: right as she always is, and I just missed out 228 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: on that. So I would say to you, guys, man, 229 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: the all things, and you know, having a baby, just 230 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: those small things, those are things you should be doing 231 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: in your career, noticing the small things. It's like when 232 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: your baby does something small and you go, God, did 233 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you see that? That was awesome? She ate an avocado? 234 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like have fun and remember it because 235 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: you chase constantly. I did. I kept thinking, well, next 236 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: job or next paycheck or next raise, or next next, next, next, next, next, 237 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: And I never ever stopped. It's okay to look open 238 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: the scrap book and just go, yeah, that was fun. 239 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: Okay people and the memories. 240 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: So let's let's do this. 241 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: As I applied, Mike, you have a few more minutes 242 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: for us, because I know we're. 243 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Already I have I have life for you. 244 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: I love you, Thank you. I know to me right now, 245 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: she's a mother, she's emotional. 246 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: I guess I'm a mother too. I'm a mother too. 247 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: The best part is, Dani're one of the funniest people 248 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: we know. 249 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: Aaron and I cry ever and here we are, okay, 250 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: so rapid fire. Since somebody's by Dan Patrick's school of 251 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: question asking favorite interview, I don't have one. 252 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: Least favorite interview. 253 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: Ooh, Tanya Harding was was painful. Why there you go? 254 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: Right there? Boom, that's what you do? Why Well? I 255 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: brought up Nancy Kerrigan. She I had never interviewed her, 256 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: and she had found religion, and I wanted to know 257 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: how her religion accepted what she did and what she was, 258 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: how she was a part of Nancy Carrigan and and 259 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, her husband and all those things, and so good. 260 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: She follow up, She goes, are we are we going 261 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to really talk about this? And I go yes, And 262 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I hear hold on, Paul 263 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: wants talk to you. Well, I don't know who Paul is. 264 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: Paul goes, Dan, we're going down this road, and I go, uh, 265 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: who are you Jeff's brother. I'm her agent and ur 266 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: PR person, and I go, look, I've never had so 267 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: they cut short the interview, But I just wanted to 268 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: ask her about it. I interviewed OJ Simpson. This was 269 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: after the double murder, and. 270 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: What was your first question. 271 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember my first question because we were we 272 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: were talking football. Okay, I made a terrible mistake. Iwa. 273 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: I think was playing USC and the Orange Bowl, and 274 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, Oj, you know he was 275 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: found not guilty. He was still a wonderful football player. 276 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Maybe we talked to OJ Simpson, well he agrees, and 277 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: we just talked football and USC and all those things, 278 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: and we were changing tapes. So I did thirty minutes 279 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: and then we stopped. And so you know, that feels 280 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: like forever when somebody's reloading their camera and it's just 281 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: him and we're just sitting next to each other and 282 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: like four feet apart, and he goes, you think I 283 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: did it? And I go did what? And he said 284 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: kill you? Yes, but I wanted him to say it, 285 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: so I said did what and he said killed those 286 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: two people? And I said yes, And then my cameraman goes, okay, okay, 287 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: we're ready to roll. 288 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: Oh shit, yeah wow. 289 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: Then he kept trying to tell me how he was 290 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: not guilty, and he goes, you don't know how crazy 291 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: my life is do you know that I was in 292 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Vegas and I walked by a room and they were 293 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: shooting a porn and they wanted me oj to be 294 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: in the porn, and like it was going, it was 295 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: going in a direction where it wasn't going to make error. 296 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: And I just let him talk. But he was trying 297 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: to convince me because I just told him to his face. Yes, 298 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: I thought that he killed you know, his his wife, 299 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: oh Ron Golden. Yeah. So that one was an interesting conversation. 300 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, I thought was going to beat me up. Really, yeah, 301 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: I'd ask him. He had been suspended for cocaine use 302 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: and he read a statement to the print media and 303 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: I was at training camp and then he came out. 304 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: They wouldn't let camera people in and he came out 305 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: and he was walking to his car, and I was 306 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: working at CNN at the time, and I said, would 307 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: you read the statement on camera? And then he said, 308 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: you need to get the real story. And I said, 309 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: I have the full story. I talked to your agent. 310 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: And then he walked away, and then I thought, oh god, 311 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: all right, here I go, and I went up to 312 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: him again. I said, look, I need you to read 313 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: that on camera. You know that I wasn't able to 314 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: be in there. They wouldn't allow cameras. And then he 315 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: had the darkest sunglasses on ever. I could see the 316 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: whites of his eyes through his sunglasses and he said 317 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: staring at me, and I go, oh, my gosh. I 318 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: felt like I was Ken O'Brien and the Jets and 319 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: he was coming after me, sack me. And this is 320 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: my neighbor. 321 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. 322 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Awesome, he's a good guy. I felt He's one of 323 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: the first guys I ever felt bad for. I saw 324 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: fear in his eyes when Lawrence Taylor was chasing him 325 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: during a game, and I go that that is fear 326 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: right there, that is fear. But he got into his 327 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: he had a dark blue portie and he peeled out 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: and Peter King was working I think for news Day. 329 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: He runs out, he goes what did he say? And 330 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: I told him the story, and I think Peter quoted 331 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: me in Newsday that Lawrence Taylor basically told me to 332 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: get fucked as he got his car. I mean, these 333 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: are the moments that people don't really care. Like when 334 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: you're getting in the business, you don't you know that 335 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: that you don't want to have these moments like you 336 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: don't have these moments come on, you know, and then 337 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: you do where you know, sometimes you're asking a tough 338 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: question and you know, I just I just try to 339 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: be professional the best. I can never try to be sensationalistic, 340 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: and I don't do gotcha. I don't do any of 341 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: that stuff. But there are times when you go, God, 342 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: this is going to hurt. When I asked this question, boss, 343 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: so you gotta do it. 344 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Was there an interview that you wanted, didn't think that 345 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: you would get and you got it. 346 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: Let's see now I could say yes or no to that, right. 347 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: Who was a person that you wanted to interview and 348 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: he didn't think you could get it, but. 349 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 3: You got it. 350 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan during the NBA Finals when he 351 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: wasn't talking to the media and then I got a 352 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: chance to talk. I had a great relationship with him. 353 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't really know him, but he was very generous 354 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: with me and he knew that I was I could 355 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: push him a little bit and he was playful. I 356 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: thought he was different when he was on Sports Center 357 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: after they would win those championship hips and I another interview. 358 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: I got that that's really not headline worthy. But John 359 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Stockton never did interviews. Never the NBA Finals, NBC would 360 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: be trying, Jim Gray would be trying to get John 361 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: Stockton to sit down, and I just remember saying to 362 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: the PRG. I was just trying to be funny and 363 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: I said, hey, love to have you know, John to 364 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: sit down for an interview. And he goes, I'll ask, 365 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and I go, okay, just for shits and giggles comes 366 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: back and he goes, John'll do it. Where do you 367 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: want to do it? And I go what? So we 368 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: sat down at the interview. I just remember NBC is like, hey, 369 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: what do you wait a minute? You know, why don't 370 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: you do an interview with us? And I go, I 371 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: have no idea. I just ask. And I always say 372 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: that don't be afraid to ask. Cool if you can 373 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: take no, which I happened through most of my high 374 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: school and college career with women, like if you can 375 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: if you can take a know and keep coming back, 376 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: then you know that's you got to have that that 377 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: fixed skin, you have to have callouses. And I just remember, 378 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: you just asked, you know, I had no problem asking, 379 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: and if you got rejected, you're like, okay. 380 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: Do you think you could ask Michael Jordan to do 381 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Calm Down as well like we can book of that'd 382 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: be a neat h. 383 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't have that pipeline to him anymore, but 384 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: he I would still love to follow up with him, 385 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: and I would love to talk business with him. His 386 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: business acumen and the fact that his mom played this 387 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: important role and what would happen if he, you know, 388 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: stayed with the Didas didn't want to go to Nike. 389 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, these small little decisions that 390 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: somebody makes, and you go, that's a billion dollar decision 391 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: right there, if not more a couple of billion dollars. 392 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: And all it was was, we're going there and we're 393 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: gonna we're going to talk to these people at Nike, 394 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you're just sometimes it takes that 395 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: it's just a small thing with a lot of these guys. 396 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: And they're competitive too. I find this too in interviewing. 397 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: You got to be competitive with somebody competitive, don't be 398 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: afraid to let them know you know what you're talking about, 399 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: and go after them a little bit. Pat Riley famously 400 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: shut me down one time. Don Shula shut me down 401 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: one time because they didn't think I knew what I 402 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: was talking about, and they could have been correct, But 403 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: what I was asking was not, you know, something really serious. 404 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't goodwill hunting and I'm solving a 405 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: problem on a chalkboard. But I asked Jack Ramsey, I said, 406 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: give me a question. I can ask pat Riley NBA 407 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Finals and Jack Jack was just a wonderful, wonderful man. 408 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: He goes, Dan, bakers are Miami. Who is he with? 409 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: He was with the Knicks? 410 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 411 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Sorry, Nick Kay, yeah, the Knicks. So he goes, Dan, 412 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: this is what you ask him? And so he's got 413 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: this elaborate thing, and I'm so. I go over there. 414 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: It's a you know, a group interview with Riley. And 415 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: I asked the question and he didn't even answer. He 416 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: looked at me and he didn't even answer it. And 417 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: I walked back over and Jack goes, what did he say, Dan? 418 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: I said, he didn't say anything. He goes, he knew 419 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: you knew something. I go, I don't. I just think 420 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: I just embarrassed myself in front of him. He goes, no, 421 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: you didn't, Dan, you learned from me, like you know, 422 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, wonderful man. And he was trying 423 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: to Hey, I think he knew that Riley knew that 424 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: Jack gave me the question to ask him, and he 425 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: wasn't going to give up the answer to the reporters there. 426 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: That's all right, you know, I'm sorry. 427 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: That's why Rogers is so hard for me sometimes because 428 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: he and Andrew Locke was really hard Chris. I know, 429 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: he was just on your Thursday Night show. Because they're 430 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: smarter than you. I'll never I'll you know, and Rogers 431 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: knows what's coming, luck New and I was like, damn it, 432 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: stop being so smart. 433 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: Just listen. 434 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I find those they'll play you know, kind 435 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: of verbal tennis with you a little bit. They'll help 436 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: you do your job. I found Rogers would be engaging. 437 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: And when I talked to him after the draft when 438 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: they took Jordan Love and I said, you know, why 439 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: forefingers with your tequila? And he said there wasn't any 440 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: any more tequila, like he had that amount of tequila 441 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: only because that's all the tequila that was left at 442 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: the time. And you know, so you're asking him about 443 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: that process and he allowed me to go into his 444 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: home when I was asking the quest. And that's all 445 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: you want is if you break through the barrier. Now, 446 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: what do you do when you get in the house. 447 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: Are we sitting in the living room, the kitchen, are 448 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: we going down to the man cave? Are we going 449 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: to the bedroom? But I want to know where where 450 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: are we going? Is it going to be a fun, 451 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: intimate conversation. Is it going to be sort of status quo? 452 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: Like I want to be in the kitchen with you? 453 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Living room? Nothing good happens in the living room now 454 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: except for the Christmas train and that's it. Yeah. Yeah, 455 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: Like you know when whenever you go over and you 456 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: you were meeting a girl and you were going to 457 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: take her to prom, and you went in the living 458 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: room like it was always and they'd have plastic on 459 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: the furniture, Like nothing good happens in the living room. 460 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: But you get into the kitchen with an athlete or 461 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: a coach or something, then it's like just sitting around 462 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: and it becomes a little bit more of a let's chat. 463 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: And that's another thing I always tell my students. Don't 464 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: interview somebody. Have a conversation with somebody, because then it 465 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like an interrogation because if I ask you 466 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: questions and I'm like you know, peppering you, you're gonna 467 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: tense up a little bit. But if we're having a conversation, 468 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: then I feel like, okay, let me hear your tone 469 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: and that'll tell that kind of dictates. You can have 470 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: a velvet hammer. That's the way I view it is, Hey, 471 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: it may hurt, but it's not gonna hurt as much, 472 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: or it's gonna look better than a hammer coming at you. 473 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: It'll be a velvet hammer. But ask that question and 474 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: get that conversation going, because when you do, that's when 475 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: they forget they're being interviewed. And it's and it's hard 476 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: to do that, really hard, but when you do, then 477 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: you got magic and that's all you want. You want 478 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: that sound bite. And I always respected when the when 479 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: you had to ask two questions, you got your two 480 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: questions on the sidelines, I'd be like, God love you, man, 481 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: God love you, because I couldn't do it so hard. 482 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: What are you going to say to your team? Second half? 483 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: Like like, coach, what do you need to work on? 484 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: After that? Every goddamn thing is what I need to do. 485 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, Contractually I get to ask 486 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: you one more question. 487 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: You know, you know what I want to see you 488 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: interview Mike McDaniel on the sideline at half time with 489 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: that questions, my dream is to see Dan Patrick interview 490 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel at halftime. 491 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: And then I reached out. I had Fritzie reach out 492 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: to Mike McDaniel two weeks ago and I said, you know, hey, 493 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you on the show. And the 494 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: message we got back was I'd like to talk to 495 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: Dan in the off season. 496 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: Huh, that was it, because he wants to talk for 497 00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: a long time. 498 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: I I I love it. I love you know when 499 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: everybody is a cookie cutter and it's like, oh, that's 500 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: the coach. Nobody wants that. I want a guy who 501 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: like is difficult, irascible. I mean, I don't want Belichick 502 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: or Popovich, per se because that's not good for, you know, 503 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: our jobs. But when you get somebody who wants to 504 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of push back at you a little bit, give 505 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: you a ship like Jim Beheim always wanted to, you know, 506 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: push back, John Caliperry wanted to give me ship. Like yeah, 507 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: but that's what you want because there, as I say 508 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: to my daughter's boyfriends, if I like you, I'm going 509 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: to give you a ship and if I don't, then 510 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you know anything, time to pack your back. Like you 511 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: just have fun with somebody that you care about or 512 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: you want to engage with. And I've been fortunate that 513 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: you can kind of push back a little bit. I mean, 514 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Bob Knight became. 515 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 2: Right in front of your microphone. 516 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: That is Lou Holtz at our. 517 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: The red sweater and the white shirt underneath. I thought 518 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: it was job. 519 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: I have Bob Knight, a big doll back there, a 520 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: big carving or something. People send me stuff all the time. 521 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I got this is, 522 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: I have this man case. I don't know what I'm 523 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: going to do it in my career is over because 524 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: I have to take all this stuff home and you 525 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: know my wife loves that. You know, there's no sports 526 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: stuff at home. 527 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: When is the end of your career? When you wanted 528 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: four more years? Four more years? 529 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: Really? Why? Good? 530 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: Chris? 531 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: Learning that was great. I want to be able to 532 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: do it at a certain level, hopefully maintain that level, 533 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: and then you you bow out. It's a young person's game, 534 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: trying to stay relevant, having the energy, uh, the enthusiasm, 535 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: having something new to tell people. You know, those are 536 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: all challenges. But it's every day where you think about that. 537 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: What I mean there there are shows that I went 538 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: to see one direction, I would go see Taylor Swift 539 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: if I could get the like I want to stay 540 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: young at least in my mind of what is out there, 541 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: what is somebody doing, what are they saying, what are 542 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: the shows that people are watching, the athletes, the younger 543 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: at like all of that stuff, and it's doing your homework. 544 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: And I just want to make sure, you know, I 545 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: do it in a way that you laugh with me, 546 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: not at me. And that's my that's my big concern, 547 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: that's my big fear is damn, he's still doing that, 548 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: like you don't know? Well, I know, but that's unfortunately, 549 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: that's the approach I have. It's I'm still trying to 550 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: prove myself after all these years. Every single day, I know, 551 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: but I have no other approach to that. I have 552 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: no other approach. I can't do it any any other way. 553 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: And it's as I said, going back, you don't enjoy 554 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: it because you're always going straight ahead. There's nothing wrong 555 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: with pulling over the side of the road and going 556 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: all right and then getting back in the you know, 557 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: the HOV lane. Or whatever. But that's yeah, that's what 558 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: That's the only way I know how to do it. 559 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: So four more years and then I'll bow out Christmas 560 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: eve in four more years. 561 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: On that illustrious resume. The occasionally accurate annuals. 562 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: We were trying. We were trying why the book every 563 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: football book is serious and it's about gladiators and it's 564 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: about you know, all this stuff. Macho and Joel cohen 565 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: Co wrote the book and he writes for the Simpsons. 566 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: And he called me up and he said, hey, would 567 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: you like to be in a Simpsons episode? And I 568 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: said sure. I said, I want to play myself. He goes, no, no, 569 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: you'll just be a generic announcer. I said, that's playing myself. 570 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: And you're going to do some rock skipping. That's a 571 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: rock skipping competition with Homer Simpson, and you're going to 572 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: do play by play. And I go all in and 573 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: he goes, okay, hey, can you explain to me why 574 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez gets criticized for the butt fumble when Vince 575 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: Wilford blew up the tackle that bounced into Mark and 576 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: I go and so we started talking and then he said, 577 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, I got one other thing and then he 578 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: would bring something up and then all of a sudden 579 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I would say stuff back to it. So we were 580 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: basically exchanging ideas. And then I think after twenty minutes, 581 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: he goes, do you want to write a book? And 582 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: I go sure. Now I didn't know what he was 583 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: talking about. I just said, sure, write a book. Yeah, 584 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. And then he goes, I'm going to 585 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: write all this stuff down. I'm gonna come back at you. 586 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: And then we just would talk on the phone and 587 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: then it was all tongue in cheek, fun stuff, goofy stuff, 588 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: some serious stuff, some stuff we made up. And I 589 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: just thought, you know what, have a little levity with this, 590 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: have a little fun with this, poke a little fun 591 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: at it. And he was wonderful to just talk to. 592 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: And then Andy Richter from Conan he he had a 593 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: question he wanted to write, Like all of these people 594 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: that he knew were like, Hey, can I tell why? 595 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: You know how I became a Vikings fan and I 596 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: used to sleep naked with the windows open to get 597 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: used to the cold and be And then I'd been like, sure, 598 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: can we talk about nipple Gate? And I said, we 599 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: can talk about whatever you want. Ye I'm going to 600 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: talk about Nipplegate, and I go, sure, we're talking Nipplegate here. 601 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to rename this book the Random Shit 602 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: you want to talk About with Patrick. 603 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: That might have been a better title than The occasionally 604 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: Accurate Animals. I just love having you trying to say animals. 605 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, we're going to let you go. But before 606 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: we do that, E, do you want anything before we 607 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: let Dan get back. 608 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: To his life. 609 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: No, I just I love you and I hope you're 610 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: well and how is your health? Are you good? 611 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm going into New York once a month, get wired 612 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: up there for a little bit, but a whole lot 613 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: better than I was because I I went down a 614 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: dark hole there for quite some time. And yeah, you know, 615 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: I never I never knew depression. Never, Like when somebody says, oh, 616 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: I suffer from depression, I'm like, how do you suffer 617 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: from depression? Then all of a sudden you get depression 618 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: and you're going, holy shit. So whenever anybody brings it up, now, man, 619 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: I want to know. I want you to talk because 620 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: it's that that was as that I almost quit the business. 621 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: I physically couldn't. I couldn't climb the steps to get 622 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: into the studio, and I'm like, man, I am, I'm 623 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: in bad shape. But everything's good. Better. Got a granddaughter 624 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and little Josephine, so life is good. She is going 625 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: to be eight months. Oh my god, it's not fair 626 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: how cute she is. 627 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: My dad said, if I knew how great being a 628 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: grandparent was, I would have never been a parent. 629 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: It's a whole different thing. 630 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: When you're on the it is. Man, you can love 631 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: them and then you just hand them all. That's how I. 632 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: Kid. 633 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, I'm proud of you too. The women 634 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: you are okay, thank you. 635 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: You're gonna make me cry. 636 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: That's not possible. 637 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 638 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: I am proud of you. And we've we've navigated some 639 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: some waters. There's certainly, but you know what, I'm glad 640 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: whatever role I play. I'm I'm very happy to be 641 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: a sounding board or just a friend. And just a 642 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: friend is not fair to say I'm proud to be 643 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: a friend. 644 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: No, thank you, Dan for you yet we love you, 645 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: so love you a lot. 646 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for you. Calm Down with Erin and 647 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: Carissa is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 648 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 649 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: your podcasts.