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Speaker 2: up in the next hour, we'll get a little deeper

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Speaker 2: into the upcoming Game five of the NBA Finals. Mark Mendina,

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Speaker 2: our NBA insider, will be joining us Martin. All I

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Speaker 2: can say here about those NBA Finals is Scott Foster

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Speaker 2: the extender getting the job done as he does so well.

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Speaker 2: Bring him in. You can't have a three to one

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Speaker 2: series lead. Got to bring this back to OKC two

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Speaker 2: to two and a flagrant fowl that was untimely obviously

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Speaker 2: for the Pacers on one of the keys down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: I know we'll talk about SGA and he actually looked

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Speaker 2: like truly an MVP. But it's it's more than a

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Speaker 2: coincidence that when the NBA needs a certain team to

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Speaker 2: win to extend a series, just bringing Scott Foster, the

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Speaker 2: official and he will find a way.

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, gracious, those helicopters, I hear. That's not the newschoppers,

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Speaker 3: that's the conspiracy theory coming.

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Speaker 2: To pick up Steve. I get it.

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Speaker 3: Look, Scott Foster's career reputation earned.

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Speaker 2: I'll put it like that, thank you.

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Speaker 3: However, watching Game four of this NBA Finals, my thought was,

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Speaker 3: maybe Tyreese halliburton career reputation unearned at this point in time,

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Speaker 3: because you know what Scott Foster wasn't doing isowing him

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Speaker 3: at the top of the key and not being able to.

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Speaker 2: Get past anybody. That's what I saw.

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Speaker 3: I saw Tyrese Halliburton and an Indiana offense that couldn't

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Speaker 3: score in the second in the half.

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Speaker 2: Court, I should say, And the same is true.

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Speaker 3: For Oklahoma City, by the way, in a game in

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Speaker 3: which they made three are what three three pointers total?

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Speaker 3: Like it's just like a game in which stats all

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Speaker 3: of it say they should have lost that game. But

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Speaker 3: to me, watching the way Indiana has played all postseason,

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Speaker 3: they rotate everybody in and it's the same if they

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Speaker 3: kind of live and die by the same thing, and

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Speaker 3: last night they died by it because Bennett Mathern in

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Speaker 3: the last five minutes of that game was absolutely horrendous

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Speaker 3: and cost them the game one hundred percent in in

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Speaker 3: my estimation. If Nie Smith doesn't foul out, I think

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Speaker 3: that we might be looking at a whole different series

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the big surprises in the

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Speaker 2: series is the domination of the Indiana bench versus the

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Speaker 2: OKC bench. Yep. I don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: thought that they were saying, okay, See's a deeper team,

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Speaker 2: and they haven't been. I mean every even in this game,

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Speaker 2: the Indiana bench outscored Oklahoma City. Cruse had twenty. The

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Speaker 2: rest of the bench had seven for OKAC but key

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Speaker 2: in this game. And again when we talk about SGA.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we had the stat last night we

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Speaker 2: were doing the news, you know, we had a postgame

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Speaker 2: and somebody found this stat. But I can't figure out

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Speaker 2: who the stat belongs to. So the stat was this

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Speaker 2: Shay Gildess Alexander had fifteen of his thirty five points

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Speaker 2: the last five minutes he scored what fifteen to the

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Speaker 2: last seventeen points? Sure, and they said it was the

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Speaker 2: first time that someone had done that since the nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy one NBA Finals, and I'm like seventy one. That

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Speaker 2: was the year when still lu Al Sindor. People don't

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Speaker 2: know this about Kareem. He was Luel Sindor at UCLA.

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Speaker 2: So that's second. Here in Milwaukee, they sweep the Baltimore

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Speaker 2: I'm going to guess it was Kareem. But here was

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Speaker 2: the key in this one. Jalen Williams showed up in

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Speaker 2: a big way, right, twenty seven points. This guy's an

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Speaker 2: And even though chet Holmgren didn't do a lot offensively,

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Speaker 2: So that's where it could be deceiving shake gil Is

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Speaker 2: Alexander's play US for his forty minutes was zero, it

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Speaker 2: thirty seven minutes, they were a plus fourteen, So Holmgun

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Speaker 2: got the job done for him. By the way, Jalen

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Speaker 2: was interesting on the combinations they he used because I

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Speaker 2: was fully prepared Martin to come in here today and

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Speaker 2: just absolutely bury Mark Dagnall Okay, I watched this guy

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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to figure out what is his game

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Speaker 2: as a coach. I mean, what does Dagnel doing? What

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Speaker 2: is his deal? Right? Is he a motivator? Is he

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Speaker 2: just observant? I feel no impact in these games from Dagnall, none.

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Speaker 2: And then you see him postgame and he's very low key.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mind low key. Not everyone has to

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Speaker 2: be a screamer. But I wonder like, is he the

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Speaker 2: right guy moving forward for the Thunder. I mean, all

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City has been victimized by their domination all season long.

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Speaker 2: Remember they didn't just win sixty eight games, they won

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Speaker 2: by an averager thirteen points a game. So it only

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Speaker 2: made sense if you're suddenly pressed into a lot of

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Speaker 2: close games, how would this team react? And that's why

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Speaker 2: coming down the stretch, you're like, oh, oh, here we go. Again, Okase,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna fold instead, it was Indiana that folded, sky

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Speaker 2: Foster upped, and then you have Oklahoma City jump up

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Speaker 3: Reason why one of my you know, it's interesting, Steve,

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Speaker 3: I'm like more of the off my long guy than

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Speaker 3: you are almost And I want coaches back wearing suits.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I need to see and I've actually saw the Athletic

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Speaker 2: Plumber wrote an article about it. Heed coaches back in suits.

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Speaker 2: You know why?

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Speaker 3: Because Mark Dagnold looks like a pe teacher. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: need to know what he's about. I need to know

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Speaker 3: what his style is. Who knows. You may think Mark

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Speaker 3: Dagnold is like this, and then he comes out in

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Speaker 3: an all white suit for game forty. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: he moves differently right now, all of a sudden, he's

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Speaker 3: got a different attitude. I say all that to say this,

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Speaker 3: there's no personality on this OKC team, and it is

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Speaker 2: On purpose that is by design. Is very spursy in

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Speaker 3: And I think to that point, they have a formula

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Speaker 3: when things to your point, you won eighty some games

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Speaker 3: before you got into this finals, why would you break.

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Speaker 2: Away from the formula?

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Speaker 3: The thing that he did that I think that really

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Speaker 3: off on the offensive side, sitting him a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: That allowed for you see, you guys talk about the

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Speaker 3: Scott Foster of it all. That allowed for Shay to

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Speaker 2: He was tremendous. You know again, I've been think about this.

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Speaker 2: There are only three players in NBA history that have

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Speaker 2: had three consecutive years of scoring at least thirty points

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Speaker 2: a game while shooting better than fifty percent. Wilt Chamberlain,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, and Shay Gildess Alexander. That's pretty good company.

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Speaker 2: But I kept waiting, right, I need that moment they

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Speaker 2: he did it. To me, Shay Gildas Alexander, who's always

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Speaker 3: You know, and interesting, I don't disagree with you, but

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Speaker 3: the way I saw that game was just honestly a

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Speaker 3: charting this out, you know the news, the A block

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Speaker 3: story is Miles Turner and Tyree's Halliburton and Turner more

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Speaker 3: what was happening in that game defensively was fine, like

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Speaker 3: And to me, I felt like that might have been

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Speaker 3: a loss where Okay, Goliath is back.

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Speaker 2: Now you had Goliath on the ropes.

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Speaker 3: You know, Tyre's Haliburton hit Goliath in the eye with

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Speaker 3: the sling shot Game one with that three pointer that

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Speaker 2: Now Goliath has recovered, and I fear for David in

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Speaker 2: this one. He's stating this game for me, Shay gilsis

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Speaker 2: and that's what I want from my start. I don't

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Speaker 3: But to me, if I'm looking at SGA shooting, because

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Speaker 3: what he shot a ton of shots.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so twelve to twenty, if I can get Shay shooting.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, seven for twenty two, and I feel

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Speaker 3: He made tough and that's what great players do. But

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Speaker 3: to me, those are the same shots almost that they've

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Speaker 2: you asked me for a Bo Jackson star. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have so many Bo Jackson stories that I could

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Speaker 2: So I was really only with him his rookie season

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Speaker 2: Bear with me on this one. I'm doing this forever.

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Speaker 2: I lost that day by one point. If he had

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Speaker 2: I remember every second of it, all right, So how

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Speaker 2: That I did? And how? But this first year I

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Speaker 2: Martin gave. I gave at him what he wanted to go.

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Speaker 5: Who knows, but we have we have to take an

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Speaker 3: I mean when I go back and read some of

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Speaker 3: the books that were written in like the early like

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Speaker 3: two thousand nine, two thousand, you know, before before the

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Speaker 3: frozen feet thing, they looked off like Randy Moss, Terrell Lowins,

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Speaker 3: Calvin Johnson, and Antonio Brown's on that path.

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Speaker 2: It's like he for sure was. But from one guy

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Speaker 2: who's a future Hall of.

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Speaker 3: Famer in my opinion, to Antonio Brown to a guy

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Speaker 3: who's a slam dunk future Hall of Famer and his

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Speaker 3: now warmer training camp practices. Aaron Rodgers is in the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steeler Mike Tomlin says he moves practice to the

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Speaker 3: afternoon because it was too apparently it was cold in

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania in July.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't hot enough.

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Speaker 3: Is this When I think of Mike Tomlin and Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers in general, I think of the way that those

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Speaker 3: two guys year like, in their competition amongst each other,

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Speaker 3: kind of had that quarterback head coach, they wink at

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Speaker 3: each other. They'd be like, I got yelling that one,

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Speaker 3: all right, you didn't see what was coming. There have

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Speaker 3: to like a throwaway or something like that. Is this

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Speaker 3: gonna be one of those moments where you probably shouldn't

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Speaker 3: meet your heroes or work with your heroes to belabor

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Speaker 3: that metaphor.

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Speaker 5: Whatever you mean, because of his age. I mean, you're

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Speaker 5: talking about Rogers here, and at this point, I think that.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, to me, has shown that he does not

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Speaker 3: have a ton of respect for He doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: ton of time for people in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: He does not have a lot of respect for.

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Speaker 3: He seems to have a ton of respect for Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 3: and it seems to be the same with both of them.

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Speaker 2: And I just wonder how you think that, Oh, no,

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Speaker 2: there's a mutual respect.

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Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, I was at that Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl in twenty ten in Dallas at and T Stadium,

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Speaker 5: so you look, they know each other. Toma's how to

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Speaker 5: prepare for Rogers. He's going against him. He knows what

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Speaker 5: he's getting into. This is a one year solution, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: What I find comical is, you know, people make a

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Speaker 5: big deal of signing the betting.

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Speaker 2: The betting ots did not move.

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Speaker 5: It's still eight and a half. The over is plus

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Speaker 5: one hundred, which means the money right now is for

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Speaker 5: the Steelers to have an under five hundred record, which

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Speaker 5: Tomlitz never had.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating to me.

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Speaker 5: So the public does not think that Rogers the addition

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Speaker 5: will mean anything. I mean, honestly, talking to Steelers, they

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Speaker 5: think he clearly elevates them. That that was their thought.

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Speaker 5: Now what you should know is, boy, they tried to

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Speaker 5: get Justin Fields back, but Field's got a much better

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Speaker 5: offer from one understand from the Jets the thirty million,

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Speaker 5: fully guaranteed signing and a very favorable structure. So that

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Speaker 5: had a lot to do with it. But that was

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Speaker 5: the guy they should have brought back, but it didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson was way down on the list. He was

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Speaker 5: an emergency, failsafe signing to come back. But that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Obviously. Now with the Giants and.

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Speaker 5: Now they got Rogers, and they also had a list

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Speaker 5: of if Rogers, by the way, retired, they were going

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Speaker 5: to make a trade, most likely for a veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 2: All right, I have one more question here, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna obviously talk a lot about the Cleveland situation for

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Speaker 2: good reason as we head forward, What about the quarterback

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Speaker 2: situation with the Colts? Right now? Where do we stand?

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Speaker 2: Who do you expect to ultimately be game one, week

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Speaker 2: one starter at quarterback for the Colts.

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Speaker 5: They signed Daniel Jones's shorts, possibly they did. They really

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Speaker 5: don't want him to be the starting quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's his contract with fourteen million. That's backup money. It's

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Speaker 5: very high in backup money.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 5: But their goal was with a healthy Anthony Richardson to

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Speaker 5: be pushed by Jones. But for Richardson to start, that's

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Speaker 5: what they want. There's no debate in their building. That's

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Speaker 5: what they wanted. This is exactly what their plan was.

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Speaker 5: But I thenk drafted Rally Leonard, the Notre Dame quarterback

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Speaker 5: in the sixth round, who's a developmental quarterback. But unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: with Richardson being so far behind now with yet another

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Speaker 5: shoulder problem, we're gonna have to see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's to the point now.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, let's not forget with the passing

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Speaker 5: of the owner, Jimer saying his children who are going

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Speaker 5: to run the organization? I mean, they didn't have anything

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Speaker 5: to do with him. With Chris Balder, general man are

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Speaker 5: getting hired Chris Ballard and their coaching staff here like

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Speaker 5: they got to win games here they've been very mediocre.

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Speaker 5: So on your question, Steve, this it no longer is

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Speaker 5: about Richard number one Jones number two.

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Speaker 2: It's about survival.

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Speaker 5: I know the way this works, man, twenty eight years

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Speaker 5: of covering this business. If there's any doubt with richardson shoulder,

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Speaker 5: it's going to be Jones. But again, I'm just telling

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Speaker 5: you they their goal was for Jones to push them

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Speaker 5: and for richardson get the message and for Richard to start.

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Speaker 5: But it's now in peril where he's going to start,

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Speaker 5: because it's not good that he's missing most of their

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Speaker 5: offseason program. This is not what you want in year three.

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Speaker 2: All right, Adam, if you want to co host a

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Speaker 2: show on all the dirt and the history of the

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Speaker 2: LA Raiders, the Los Angeles Raiders, let's set it up

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Speaker 2: down the road because I got so many stories you

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Speaker 2: can't believe it. I got stories that'll make your toes curl,

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff. Good thing we didn't have social media in

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Speaker 2: those days. It would have been, oh, all right, Praisier.

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Speaker 2: I'm almost at that point where I can start spilling

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Speaker 2: the beans. I think, so all right, ready, it's almost there.

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Speaker 2: But that was that was That was Miller lite on

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Speaker 2: that one. Alright, I got a far, far more scandalous

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Speaker 2: step for you. All right, Adam, great stuff is always.

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Speaker 2: We're into the camps early. We got plenty of NFL

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Speaker 2: news moving forward. Adam will talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, your fects. That's Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider.

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Speaker 2: Now let's find out what is trending. Martin playing dual

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Speaker 2: role again on this Saturday. Caitlin Clark back in the

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Speaker 2: w NBA after Oh see, I guess you never left

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Speaker 2: the entire league. Back in the lineup is the way

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Speaker 2: to phrase it.

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Speaker 3: WNBA. On ABC earlier today, Indiana Fever with a one

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Speaker 3: two to eighty eight win over the New York Liberty.

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Speaker 3: Liberty where nine to zero. Headed into today. They took

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Speaker 3: the loss of Brina I and asked you'd let all

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Speaker 3: scores with thirty four points, but Clark came in with

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Speaker 3: a twenty five point first half, finished with thirty two.

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Speaker 3: And golf at the US Open, JJ Spin and Sam

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Speaker 3: Burns are still a top the leader board here three under,

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Speaker 3: Adam Scott and Victor Hoveland also one I mean one under.

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Speaker 3: They're tied for third. Carlos Ortiz and Thurston Lawrence fifth

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Speaker 3: at even I'm sorry even they are the only golfers

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Speaker 3: that are you know, even having you know, even or

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Speaker 3: below part.

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Speaker 2: It's been a rough day.

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Speaker 3: It's been a series of rough days at this US Open,

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Speaker 3: which kind of as why the top of the leader

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Speaker 3: board is pretty interesting. Major League Baseball, the Orioles with

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Speaker 3: a sixty five lead over the Angels and the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the eighth inning, bottom of the eighth the Blue

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Speaker 3: Jays and the Phillies Philadelphia leaves three to two, White

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Speaker 3: Socks and Rangers. Texas came back tied at up three

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Speaker 3: to three going to the bottom of the eighth, top

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Speaker 3: of the fifth, right, the seven to two lead over

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Speaker 3: the Mets. Bottom of the ninth, Astros or Twins knotted

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Speaker 3: up at two a piece, bottom of the seventh on

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Speaker 3: FS one, the Cardinals have a seven.

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Speaker 2: To four lead over the Brewers.

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Speaker 3: Earlier today then Marlin has beat the Nationals four to three,

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Speaker 3: Reds hounded the Tigers eleven to one, Cubs double up

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Speaker 3: the Pirates two to one. A's sweep the Royals four

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Speaker 3: to nothing. The Royals have been in the world.

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Speaker 2: They're hurt. In the Al Central four to won.

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Speaker 3: The Braves beat the Rockies and in the NBA, Steven

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Speaker 3: Adams has agreed to a three year, thirty nine million

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Speaker 3: dollar contract extension with the Houston Rockets. The New York

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Speaker 3: Knicks planned to meet with former Sacramento Kings coach Mike Brown.

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Speaker 3: Brown formerly interviewed for their job in twenty twenty before

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Speaker 3: they hired Tom Thibodeau, and also former Memphis Grizzlies coach

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Speaker 3: Taylor Jenkins. They're going to be interviewed next week for

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Speaker 3: that vacant spot. Speaking of vacant spots, Calvin Piccard will

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Speaker 3: get the start over Stuart Skinner in goal for the

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Speaker 3: Edmonton Oilers. The NHL Stanley Cup Final game five puck

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Speaker 3: drops in about an hour and a half, tie.

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Speaker 2: Two to two between the Panthers and the Oilers. And

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Speaker 2: what a series that's been, I mean, three overtime games. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: You're getting what you paid for there, absolutely, oh tremendous.

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Speaker 2: And it was a rematch of last year's Stanley Cup Final.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for Emonton to come up with that

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Speaker 2: win on the road that was especially here down three

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Speaker 2: to nothing, came back to win that game out on

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Speaker 2: the road against the Panthers once again, Fox Sports Saturday,

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Speaker 2: Harvin and Weiss with you once again Company Alive from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. You can stream the show

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app will always pop up at the top of

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Speaker 2: your screen. Just staying with what's been going on in

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Speaker 2: this US open right now? I mean, people are like, well,

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Speaker 2: why is JJ Spawn, Why is Sam Burns? Why is

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Speaker 2: Carlos Artis? By the way, it's Tristan Lawrence, even though

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Speaker 2: it looks like Thristin Lawrence, so apparently it's called Tristan Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: I found out. These are the things you find out

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Speaker 2: on these when you have these names that you've never

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Speaker 2: seen before, a top a leaderboard at a major championship.

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Speaker 2: But why is this happening? You know, where are the stars?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is club round? Well, Rory's throwing his

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Speaker 2: club around obviously, Bryson de Shambo's already home. Scottie Scheffler's

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Speaker 2: not out of it, folks. He's at plus four. He

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Speaker 2: shot even par seventy today. He's seven shots off the lead.

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Speaker 2: I know, in ninety nine, guy named Paul Lowry came

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Speaker 2: back to win the Open Championship down ten shots going

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Speaker 2: into the final round. So it's not impossible. But really

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Speaker 2: what happens is when you have the great golfers on

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Speaker 2: the PGA Tour and they're posting twenty under whatever, they're

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Speaker 2: just you know, killing these courses. You got these guys

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Speaker 2: that are just sort of these journeymen, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: getting a paid check. They're getting paid him. They're not

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Speaker 2: winning tournaments, sure, but they just play a very steady,

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Speaker 2: consistent golf where you make the cut, you know, and

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Speaker 2: you get a paycheck every week. And that's who JJ

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Speaker 2: spawn is. That is who Sam Burns is. That's that's

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Speaker 2: the stress Arns. So when you're bringing the guys out

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Speaker 2: of that, you know, minus twenty rare fight air we

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Speaker 2: see at the PGA normal tours brings everybody else into

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Speaker 2: you know, they'll shoot three four under and not twenty

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Speaker 2: under and they don't get much money. But at an open,

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Speaker 2: when the course is playing like this, where all you

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Speaker 2: have to do is essentially keep your drives in the

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Speaker 2: fair way, then he can get a low score. And

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Speaker 2: it just shows you the end golf.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously you're playing everybody else, but so much

647
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: of it is the course and yourself, right, Like I mean,

648
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: you saw that with Roy going down the Masters, right,

649
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: he was playing a lot of that was playing himself,

650
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. As he was bungling some

651
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: of that and it ended up coming back and winning

652
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: in the playoff.

653
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

654
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: But those putts were not if those putts were just

655
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: a two day afternoon, He's making those ninety nine out.

656
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: Of one hundred times.

657
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: It was the pressure, It was all at right, something

658
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: like this, This is the course.

659
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

660
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: That The guys just seem to be not used to

661
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: and that's why you end up seeing interesting names atop

662
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: the leader board. It's almost like if you like, you

663
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: have the NBA, right, you have the NBA, and you

664
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: just have ran you know, all these players in rotation

665
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: but like the best one on one player may be

666
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: like the eighth man off the bench. He's just a

667
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: guy that has the best one on one game that

668
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: he's going to show you how different aspects of your

669
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: game can be highlighted depending on what's going on.

670
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, and again, the reason the Masters and Augusta National

671
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: is so special is that it creates drama. Like you

672
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: can score low rounds, you can make eagles, you can

673
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: do a lot of crazy things that can turn that

674
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: tournament around. Usually what happens at the US Open, the

675
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: winner is someone that didn't lose it. They didn't win

676
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: it so much as other people lose it at the end.

677
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: And you just get a sense now with a guy

678
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: like Sam Burns, who, by the way, just berdie to

679
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: take a one shot lead over JJ Spaun, these guys

680
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: are going to be paired up, most likely in the

681
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: final pairing tomorrow. And how they get hold up? I

682
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: mean these guys, nearly one of these guys has ever

683
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: gotten a sniff of any kind of major championship, much

684
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: less a US Open. Can they hold it together? And

685
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: then right behind him, he got Adam Scott. Adam Scott

686
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: in his mid forties and Victor Hovelin, who's one of

687
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: those guys on that short list, who's the current best

688
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: golfer too yet to win a major. So that's what's

689
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: really gonna transpire tomorrow. I can't wait to watch it.

690
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: And just to be clear, you're not talking about Adam Scott,

691
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: the actor.

692
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: No, this is the Adam Scott Masters Champion, who, by

693
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: the way, is appearing in his ninety six consecutive major championship.

694
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: You say that sounds pretty good. Only one golfer ever

695
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: has had more. Nicholas was in one hundred and forty

696
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: six consecutive. Tiger obviously missed him because he had injuries.

697
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: Tom Watson had the second longest streak of eighty seven.

698
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: So he has appeared in every single major since the

699
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and one Open Championship a row. So I just.

700
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: Clicked on I'm on the US Open dot com page. Yes,

701
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: Adam Scott's profile here, like you said, as an entry

702
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: for every year since two thousand and two, JJ Spawn's

703
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: profile has won. Yes, one twenty twenty one, Tory Pin's US.

704
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: Open missed the cut plus ten oh plus ten yeah

705
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: are ten over us? Yeah? So but again, the US

706
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: Open has probably a more obscure winners than most of

707
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: the other majors. I mean, Wyndham Clark won a few

708
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: years ago when it was here in La Gary Woodland

709
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: won one, Michael Campbell, I can go down the long

710
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: list of obscure guys that have won the US Open.

711
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: Could be that kind of year. We'll see what plays

712
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: on the other side. Coming up on the other side, though, Yeah,

713
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: I want to get into a little of the Stanley

714
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: Cup Final with you. We cannot ignore what is already

715
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: one of the great series I think in Stanley Cup

716
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: Final history. This is FI Sports Saturday. Don't listening to

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Radio. Harvid Weiss. Here Fox Sports Saturday,

718
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: coming live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Look, if

719
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: you're a die hard sports fan, I mean, just we

720
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: got a great NBA Finals, better than I expected, better

721
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Speaker 2: than you expected, Barton, I don't think we were thinking

722
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: to two series, you know, heading back to okac So

723
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: that that series has certainly exceeded my expectations.

724
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: I mean, and for it to come from cities like

725
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: Indianapolis and Oklahoma City, oh my goodness.

726
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Great basketball orts.

727
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: They were going to cancel the small market NBA Finals.

728
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm glad those rumors did not become true.

729
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So while that has been an unexpected pleasure, what

730
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: has happened in the Stanley Cup Final between the Oilers

731
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: and Panthers was expected, but it has even played out

732
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 2: better than we expected. The series opening Edmonton, Edmonton gets

733
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: the overtime loss and then the double overtime win. They

734
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: go to Florida and of course the Panthers blow them

735
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: out in Game three and then they're up three nothing

736
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: after one period and they're like, all right, Panthers taken

737
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: over back to back Stanley Cups. Here we go and

738
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: for Edmonton to rally and then take the lead and

739
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: then blow it on another empty net goal to tie

740
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: it up, force in overtime to win in overtime. Dry Sidle,

741
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: by the way, fourth overtime goal in this postseason that

742
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: has never happened in NHL history. He's like the Scottie Pippen,

743
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, where dry Sidle is a great player. He's

744
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: been an MVP, you know, one hundred points every year.

745
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: He's had four to fifty goal seasons. But when you

746
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: play with McDavid, you're playing with the best player in

747
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: the league, and so you're not getting the recognition he's

748
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: like Pippen was to Michael because he's a legit all star.

749
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: He's one of the absolute fight. Mark Messier, the legendary

750
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: former oiler former Ranger, obviously also said these are the

751
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: two most dominant players in the league right now.

752
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean when you have a guy whose nickname is

753
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: Nick Jesus, Yes, and then you also have a guy

754
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: whose nickname was Black Jesus, Like you know, I mean,

755
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: there is right there for you when you really consider it.

756
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: And I mean, if anybody knows about the NHL Final,

757
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: it would be Corey Perry, who has been through more

758
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: NHL finals like than almost anybody.

759
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Right. The name is on the cup from two thousand

760
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: and seven exactly, so in five in.

761
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: The last six years for your boy, and he's like,

762
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: this is the best one I've been a part now,

763
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: I am agin. He says that because Edmonton is the

764
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: team that you know, ended up winning that game. I

765
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: wonder if you still feel that way if he had

766
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: been on the losing end of that. But this is

767
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: our I mean, just when you look at the margin

768
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: of victory, it's incredible.

769
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's entertaining. I again, I

770
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: watch all these sports you watch the postseas, and I've

771
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: always said this about the NHL. I mean, everything is

772
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: always more intense in the playoffs. We get that, you know,

773
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what sport is, you go to the playoffs,

774
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: it's more intense. But for some reason, in the NHL

775
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup playoffs, it's not even the same sport. It's

776
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: they literally play almost a different brand of the sport.

777
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: And the overtimes are just unmatched. I mean just you

778
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: can't beat especially in Stanley Cup final, three over times

779
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: out of these four games.

780
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: It's so physical and it's so demanding that I don't

781
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: think you can play that way for the entire regular season,

782
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: you know what I.

783
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: Mean, you have to you almost have to play a

784
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: different way. Well, you will also watch the line change.

785
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: See this is one thing about television in hockey. You

786
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: can't see all the line changes. But Dreis Oddle comes

787
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: on the ice and he sort of like picked up

788
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: the you know, on the overtime goal and then he

789
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: comes through and just uh slides it through. It goes

790
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: off the skate. It's one of those you know, carim

791
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: shots for the game winning go phenomenal stuff. So that'll

792
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: be game five tonight they go back to Edmonton. Soilers

793
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: have that home ice advantage. New goalie too, because that

794
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: guy was dynamite in the overtime. That's why he's out there.

795
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: All right. We got much more coming up NBA Finals.

796
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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday.

797
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, rolling along here

798
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: on another fully loaded Sports Saturday.

799
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports

800
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Speaker 2: Radio studios. Coming up here in about twenty minutes. Mark Mendena,

801
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: our NBA insider, is gonna break down Game five of

802
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, which, by the way, is not this weekend,

803
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: it's Monday. Are you okay with the scheduling of the

804
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: NBA Finals, Martin?

805
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: I do think that the idea and some of the

806
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: way that things have been aligned for television sometimes I

807
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: think actually can take some of the juice out out

808
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: of it. You have a premiere product if you're the NBA.

809
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have to just line it

810
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 3: up to where you're the only thing on that night.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe we could sell the game a little

812
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: bit better. I agree with you. I mean, again, this

813
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: NBA Final. The only problem to me with the NBA

814
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Finals has been the delay in getting to the next game, right,

815
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean we had a phenomenal fourth quarter comeback by

816
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: OKC on the road to even up the series. I'm

817
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: ready to go Sunday night, right, I mean Sunday night.

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00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: That would be a good nut.

819
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: No Monday night, especially Steve, and I do not give

820
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: see the problem with some of your conspiracy theories. A

821
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: minute you give them oxygen, they're like fire, they just grow.

822
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: I was anti, I was against your small market vendetta

823
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: prior to these finals occurring. But I will say this,

824
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: when you have a environment and like this in this

825
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: NBA Finals where we're learning about some of these guys

826
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: for the first time, I'll say that the immediacy of

827
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: games would help in the in keeping the momentum, right,

828
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 3: It would really help in that regard.

829
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: And you've seen the numbers go up.

830
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: If you're a type of person who swears by the

831
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: TV ratings, they have going up. But I imagine had

832
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: game two in game three been in quick summation after

833
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: game one, you feel differently about all of this, Like

834
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: we just saw a great game that has the finals

835
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: has a pivotal Game.

836
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Speaker 2: Five, Right, that's what they'll be calling it.

837
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: All next couple of days and we have to wait

838
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: and wait and wait.

839
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of the gas out of the

840
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: car for me. It was an interesting note. So the

841
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: highest rated World Series, and I understand ratings are much

842
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: different now than they were years ago, but it's a

843
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: record that will never be broken because again, we don't

844
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: have the same kind of you know, network domination we

845
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: had back in the day. But the nineteen ninety one

846
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: Worlds Series pitted two teams that had both finished in

847
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: last place the year before. Both last place teams that

848
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere seemingly that year in ninety one.

849
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: One was the Minnesota Twins, who had won the World

850
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: Series four years before, but that was considered a fluke

851
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: and they'd fallen off the map, and the other was

852
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: a young Atlanta Braves team that nobody had heard of.

853
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: Both were in last place the year before. I remember

854
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: the hyke going into that series is who cares Atlanta? Minnesota?

855
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? By the end of the series,

856
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: seven game classic, one incredible game after another, capped off

857
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: by Jack Morris out dueling John Smoltz won nothing ten innings.

858
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: Game seven highest rated World Series of all time. So

859
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm curious now as we're building this NBA Finals as

860
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: more and more people are like, hey, what's going on here?

861
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: You know this Halliburton guy, I mean didn't know much

862
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: about him, Shay Gilgess, Alexander, I know he was in VP,

863
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: but we never get to see this guy. I'm just wondering,

864
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: if this series gets to a seventh game, and I

865
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't bet against it, now, what kind of numbers that

866
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: are going to see? I think it's going to be

867
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: a lot more because the I think Game one was

868
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: the lowest rated non COVID NBA Finals game ever. I

869
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: think we we could be heading to some very unexpected

870
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: high numbers if this series continues like it is.

871
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, Steve, I don't want to do this

872
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: to you, but I have to marry Ian. I need

873
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: I need focus here. Who back here has either one

874
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: of you heard or no, anyone just always heard of

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: a Nielsen box?

876
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: If I tell you what is it, Neilson box? You

877
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: know what that is? Measures that measures radio audiences. Right, No,

878
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Neil Sen's television, Arbitron's radio. There was a Family Guy

879
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: episode on it. Okay, the Neil Sin ratings and stuff

880
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: like that. And who how many viewers and all that.

881
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: How many people and it's just for everyone in the room. Sure,

882
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: how many people do you know with the Nielsen box?

883
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: We have forty something of years between the two twenty

884
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: somethings back there. I'm thirty five, that's seventy five, and

885
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred, one hundred and twenty years of life

886
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: experience between the four of us here.

887
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: And how many people box? I thought it just came

888
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: through with like normal cable boxes. No, it's they Actually

889
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't select Nielsen families. They get paid, by the way,

890
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: very little, but yes they get something and you hook

891
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: up the Nielsen box to your television. I don't know,

892
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: but in those days everyone had one or two TVs. Now,

893
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean in our house, I can't even I've lost

894
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: count mt.

895
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: It's almost like the way that ratings are calculated and

896
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: measured is incredibly archaic and outdated, to the fact that

897
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: when I was six years old on press Drive in

898
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: New Orleans, Louisiana, my grandmother was a Nielsen member and

899
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: Juley way I know anything about this because he's the

900
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: only person.

901
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: That feels you take it seriously.

902
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: She did, but she felt like he's the only person

903
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: all of America and I've ever known have one. So

904
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: whether the ratings are eight point nine and a half

905
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: million or that's my questioning.

906
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: Forget all that. It's water cooler stuff, all right, the

907
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: old water cooler stuff. If people are talking, you know

908
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: how it is you're around people, I mean we're in

909
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: a building, the talk sports. I'm talking about on the street,

910
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: you know. Still, yeah, did you see the game last?

911
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Are you hearing that? I actually believe it or not.

912
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: Have heard that from two people who did not know

913
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: that I was working in sports.

914
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: The buzz leading in was not there. I think by

915
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: Game three it really did grow.

916
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: But I also think just measuring by ratings is not

917
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: necessarily the way to measure the buzz.

918
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: Tomorrow's Father's Day, it is, and thank you. I I still,

919
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: after all these years of being a dad, and I've

920
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: been in a dad a long time. All three of

921
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: my children well into their twenties. My oldest is not

922
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: far away from thirty. I still have a hard time

923
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: grasping that I'm a father. I don't know what I expected.

924
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, when you're when they're little kids and you're

925
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: running around, you're doing all this stuff with the kids stuff.

926
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: It's one thing, but once your children get to adult

927
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: level and they just become you know, your buddies people,

928
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: you just you know pretty much.

929
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: You're no longer like the sole reason these people are alive.

930
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: But I figured it out on their own.

931
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: But I had a reminder this week. So we have

932
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: three dogs, and we had to put one of our

933
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: dogs down this week. And this dog, Duke little Terrier,

934
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: was our first rescue dog. And anyone that's had to

935
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: do this with a pet, you know what I'm talking about.

936
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: It's devastating. But my daughter, who's now twenty four years old,

937
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: my youngest, this was like her dog, and she just

938
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: it was Tuesday and Wednesday, Thursday. I mean, she was

939
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: just breaking down constantly, and I felt myself being daddy. Sure,

940
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 2: you know, she's twenty four, but it's she needed daddy,

941
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: like she sought out daddy for comfort, to help consoler

942
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: during this very traumatic experience of losing our dog. And

943
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: it reminded me again of like why your dad, you know,

944
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: that's sort of what you do. I know, Martin, you're

945
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: you've got a big, big day coming up. When is

946
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: that big day? August night, August ninth, hanging them up. Yeah, retirement.

947
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: I would imagine you're planning to have a family at

948
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: some point. I mean, I think by August ninth they'll

949
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: have one, you know, say, I'll be married. But now

950
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: we're figure it out. Sheriff is expensive, it is. I

951
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: remember I had a buddy of mine. He and is

952
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: a beautiful bride. They got married with the agreement they

953
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: were never going to have children, and I lost track

954
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: of this guy and about I don't know, it was

955
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: like seventy eight years later I ran into him and

956
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: his wife and their two children. Things happen. I think

957
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: it's about being on the same page, being on the

958
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: same page exactly. But yeah, an early happy father's dad.

959
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 2: You know, for a lot of sons out there, their

960
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: dads may have introduced him to the sports world. My

961
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: dad was not a He wasn't me. There aren't many

962
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: people like me that live and breathe it all the time.

963
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: But he was a sports fan. He listened to a

964
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: lot of radio on the day. It's been seven years

965
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: now since my dad passed. He almost made it to ninety,

966
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: had a long life in a good Life's a good run.

967
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: That's a good run. But he took me to my

968
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: first baseball game, my first Lakers game, Dodgers game, and

969
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: you know, those are the things that you sort of build,

970
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: those first steps if you're going to be immersed in

971
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: the sports. Where like all of us, sometimes it's your mom,

972
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: you know it can you know it could be, but

973
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: it for most guys, it's it's usually their death.

974
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: Well I mean that definitely, like a parent or uncle

975
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: or aunt or some type of some adult.

976
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: What is the word I'm looking for somebody to report to.

977
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: I can't think of the word.

978
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: Figure that is established in your life that brings you

979
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: to your first game or brings the figure thank you,

980
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: but also the for me my dad, we used to

981
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: go to the Saints games.

982
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the season tickets to the Saints games.

983
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: And we used to sit I mean, you know, you

984
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: could touch your head on the ceiling, but so and

985
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 3: also there next to us for years, we had season

986
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 3: tickets for years.

987
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: Next to us a guy his name was Michael. He

988
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: was a high school referee.

989
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: So I grew up watching essentially live all twenty two

990
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 3: angle football without knowing it right with a referee commentator

991
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 3: right next to me from.

992
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: Seven years old till I got a driver's license.

993
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: So by the time I was fifteen years old, I

994
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 3: was spotting out holding penalties on the other side of

995
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: the play because I had been trained, you know say,

996
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: basically ubstentially trained, and without that. I mean, it's the

997
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: reason why I never stepped through on the football field.

998
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: But I can tell you that's a penalty, and it's

999
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: sure enough Bill in individual throw that flag.

1000
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: Sports is like a soap opera because once you learn

1001
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: the characters, you just keep following it. It never ends.

1002
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: It just you know, it's an endless stream, and that's

1003
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: the beauty of sports Soccer Radio. We get a great

1004
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk about everything going on in the world

1005
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: of sports, including the NBA Finals coming up. On the

1006
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: other side, Mark Medina, Fox Sports Radio MBA insider will

1007
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: join us. This is Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Hartman, Martin

1008
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Weisse Here Fox Sports Saturday, coming live from the Fox

1009
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios for the press pregame show. Every weekend,

1010
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: be sure to tune into Fox Sports Radios. Countdown presented

1011
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,359
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1012
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,920
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1013
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: down all the biggest games, no better plays to prime

1014
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,800
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1015
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,800
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1016
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports Radio and

1017
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. All right, we're gonna move Mark Mendina.

1018
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: He's not quite ready yet, Martin's he's doing a multitude

1019
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: of jobs. He's like you, he's doing like, you know,

1020
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: four or five jobs simultaneously, surprising sitting next to Jim

1021
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: Hill right now. Well that's where he is. Oh yeah,

1022
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: so guilty.

1023
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll tell you that guy Medean, he's always got

1024
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: an alibi.

1025
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, he is going to join us, So he's probably

1026
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: gonna join this in our last segment. So we're gonna

1027
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: in the next demo break a little bit earlier so

1028
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: that we get I don't want to short change him

1029
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: because he's got a lot of talk with the NBA

1030
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: Finals right now, is okay? See? And I just again,

1031
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: I this whole coaching situation going on with the Knicks.

1032
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: How embarrassing is this? You fire Tips, who is recognized

1033
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: certainly as one of the better coaches in the NBA.

1034
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: By the way, he has the highest career winning percentage

1035
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: in regular season to have never gotten a team to

1036
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, which I guess would be your knock

1037
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: on the guy, by the way, the guy that was

1038
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: the winningest coach of all time in the NBA before

1039
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 2: Pop finally broke his record was Don Nelson. Don Nelson

1040
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: never once got a team to the NBA finals, but

1041
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: he took over some bad teams and made him much better. Right,

1042
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: But you don't fire a coach unless you actually have

1043
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: somebody better to replace him with. And for them to

1044
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: get denied all these teams saying no, you can't talk

1045
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: to my coach, You can't talk to this is embarrassing

1046
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: and it's why the Knicks are who they are. They

1047
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: have been mismanaged for so many years. They have this

1048
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: great run this year. You know they're almost there. You

1049
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: know you have one step short of making it to

1050
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: the NBA finals. And you fired Tips. Okay, fine, you

1051
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: don't want Tips, But who replacing them with? Because by

1052
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: the time they actually hire someone, that person will be

1053
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: what their fifth sixth choice? Ultimately?

1054
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 3: What is now let's just get to h let's find

1055
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: the same table here, right, what about this do you

1056
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: deem to be embarrassing? Or are their degrees of embarrassment. It

1057
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: starts with this, Okay.

1058
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: If you're going the easy part is firing any coach.

1059
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: But we and this is this is not just exclusive

1060
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: to the Knicks. I see this happen all the time,

1061
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: where you fire someone even after you've had a good season.

1062
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: This was their deepest run in the postseason in twenty

1063
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: five years, and you find yourself floundering because you don't

1064
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: have anybody to replace them with. You thought these other

1065
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: teams were going to give up good coaches so they

1066
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: could coach the Knicks. Who told you that so? So

1067
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: they didn't really do their homework before firing a coach

1068
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: with the idea of then going out and hiring a

1069
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: new coach.

1070
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: The thing that I find to be embarrassing is not

1071
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: firing the head coach. And I disagree on the premise

1072
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: of you have to have a new person in mind

1073
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: when you fire someone.

1074
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: I think, did you should have a short line? Do

1075
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: you disagree with that? I'm come, this is good.

1076
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm about to explain to you, right, I want to

1077
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: hear that I think you should have, at any moment

1078
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 3: in time, potential like short list of guys that you

1079
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 3: would like break class in case of emergency like that way,

1080
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: if if if God forbid, your head coach does it

1081
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: pulls an email in Boston, then you have some options

1082
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 3: already kind of vetted. So that But like in this scenario,

1083
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: to me, firing Tom Thibodeau is not I was surprised.

1084
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: I was not shocked or appalled or like, I just thought,

1085
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 2: that's kind.

1086
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: Of funny that you fire a guy after you go

1087
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: to the East Coffas Finals, best season, last back to

1088
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: back best seasons.

1089
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: I get it.

1090
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: Whatever, uh, but I also saw that that team, to me,

1091
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: had a ceiling, and I was operating under the premise

1092
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: that the Indiana Pacers are much the Oklahoma City was

1093
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: much better than Indiana is. And I think Indiana outplayed

1094
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: New York signific through this postseason.

1095
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: And I'm a Knicks fan.

1096
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm wondering what if Minnesota had gotten through here, What

1097
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: if one of these other teams in the West, like

1098
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: how how many like we know we are the is

1099
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: what third or fourth best team in the East?

1100
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: When Boston's healthy and Cleveland's healthy.

1101
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: And we got to the East comes final bounce, So okay,

1102
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: so whatever, you can't really change the lineup, right, now

1103
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: because of all of the second aprons and so on.

1104
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: So the firing of TIBs not that shocking to me.

1105
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: The idea that there are coaches under contract that you

1106
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: would try to poach also not that shocking to me.

1107
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: What is shocking to me is how we are aware

1108
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: of every single seeming interview Carr, I'm sorry, just interest

1109
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: in conversation between all of these coaches who already have jobs.

1110
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: To me, this also shows that James Dolan is running

1111
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: this because the last two years you haven't heard much

1112
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: about the Knicks at all in terms of these back

1113
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: channel the sham sources say so on and so forth.

1114
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: That to me is what's embarrassing is that we all

1115
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: know that you tried to talk to Quint Snyder and

1116
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: this coach and that coach and this coach and that

1117
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: coach from TYLERU. I'm like, what, you guys don't like

1118
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: my haircut or something? What is it about me that

1119
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: you haven't reached out to talk to me yet? That,

1120
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: to me is what's embarrassing. But like, if this all

1121
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: ends well, nobody who cares.

1122
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: There is an obvious choice for the Knicks. There is

1123
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: a very obvious choice for the Knicks. All right. So

1124
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: you know you talk about coaches that have already won

1125
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: an NBA title, right, You got Malone, you got Mike Brown,

1126
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: you got Booten Holzer, Frank Vogel. Forget all those guys,

1127
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: all right, because a lot of those guys have been

1128
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: recycled since winning championships without But there is one guy

1129
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: that I guarantee you is a winning higher on every front.

1130
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 2: Knicks fans will be ecstatic. Jeff Van Gundy. He led

1131
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: you to your last finals in nineteen ninety nine. He

1132
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: was beloved by Knicks fans. He's still relevant. He got

1133
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: back into coaching after his extended announcing career. By the way,

1134
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: you say, well, he was away too long. Dick Vermeil

1135
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: was away from the NFL for fourteen years fourteen years

1136
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: and returned to coaching with the Rams and ended up

1137
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: winning a Super Bowl. Ben Gunny is not even that old.

1138
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would not hire Jeff Van

1139
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: Gundy to be the next coach of the Knicks. I

1140
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: guarantee you Knicks fans would be excited. He would bring

1141
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for that team. He's got an edge to him.

1142
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't see why you would not hire van Gundy.

1143
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: I think two.

1144
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: Also, when you consider Jeff Van Gundy, you say that

1145
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: he has, you know, been away from the game sort

1146
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: of well exactly sorta like he was calling all those games.

1147
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Sure, and he was he was seeing all the teams.

1148
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: He knows what all the teams are about, not you.

1149
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: Know, in doing the different broadcast and doing those broadcasts

1150
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: that they have obligations.

1151
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: Are talking to the players, they're talking to the coaches.

1152
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: He's plugged into the league when you're when you're in

1153
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: that position, you are plugged into the league in a

1154
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: way that is I mean, it's your job to be

1155
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: plugged into the league. In the league, conversely, and is

1156
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: invested in plugging into you to make sure you have

1157
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 3: the best information and the most knowledgeable information to best

1158
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: sell their product as you're promoting. It's also part of

1159
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: the reason why he's not doing it anymore because you

1160
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: kept killing the refs. But since then he is the

1161
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: assistant coach in Boston, I believe, and then and now

1162
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: in this last season in Los Angeles with the Clippers.

1163
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: That's right, So he has.

1164
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: Not been away from the game in the way that

1165
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: Mark Jackson's been away from the game.

1166
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: Now the thing I would say, though, uh this, and

1167
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 2: he knows what it takes to win in New York.

1168
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. New York is not Indiana.

1169
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: New York is not Orlando. Right, You've got to have

1170
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: the right mentality as a coach to be in the

1171
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: spotlight of New York City. Ben Gunny's been there, done that.

1172
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: He won in New York. But if you're gonna meyer

1173
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: the guy, that's the guy.

1174
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: The Van Gundy's been there one and when he was

1175
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: there on his bench was a man with way more

1176
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: hair than he has now, but the same gruff disposition

1177
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: and defensive attitude. And that's Tom Thibodeau was sitting just

1178
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: a few seats down at Gundy with those New York knickerbockers.

1179
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: And I think that with the way that it has

1180
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: seemed to me, and I'm not reporting, I am just

1181
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: listening to other people talk about the reports, you know

1182
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, it seems to me that I don't

1183
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: think that Ben Gundhy really cares for the A lot

1184
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: of these former guys don't care for the way that

1185
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: Thibdau was treated.

1186
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: And I wonder how much that matters to guys I

1187
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: think I think that's legit. I mean, obviously Thibodeau, as

1188
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: you say, Ben Gunny basically helped introduce the world to Thibodau, right,

1189
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to step over the dead body.

1190
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: But that being said, I'm sure if if he were

1191
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: offered the job and he called Tim Gibson said you know, dude,

1192
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure Thibodau would say, dude, take the job.

1193
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: So I think both. I mean, Thibodeau would be pretty

1194
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: immature to be like, don't.

1195
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: Take there's only thirty of the jobs in the in

1196
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: the world, right, No, But I just but it just

1197
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 3: seems like, you know it, just that's viable and bye

1198
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: buy it.

1199
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: I still all of all the I know he's still

1200
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: under contract, but I just go back.

1201
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: I'll never forget watching that defense wins Championships press conference

1202
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: with Nico Harrison and watching Jason Kidds sit there and

1203
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: look like a kid in time out like ill. And

1204
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: we've seen Jason kidd jump from organization to organization in

1205
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: the past.

1206
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: We say we saw it. He's been to the finals.

1207
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: He saw a way to make a defense with Luka

1208
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: Doncics on the court at all times, work that to me,

1209
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: feels like a winning situation if I'm able to get

1210
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: him into New York.

1211
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: And plus he already loves Jalen Brunson. They loved it

1212
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: like they played. He coached Jalen Brunson already. So that's

1213
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: when Dallas situation so interesting, is it not? Right now,

1214
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: we don't know anything what's happening in Dallas. I mean,

1215
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: is that a franchise that's going to move to Vegas?

1216
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the ownership there have the roots

1217
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: in Vegas. You know, Vegas has got teams coming all

1218
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: over the place. You know in the NBA next going

1219
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: into Vegas. Dallas obviously is a huge market, and you

1220
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: know they don't want to The NBA does not want

1221
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: to lose the Dallas market under any circumstance. But so

1222
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: many different dynamics. You know, one point eight percent chance

1223
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: of getting the number one overall pick and they get it.

1224
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: They give away Luka Dantic for next to nothing. I

1225
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: don't know something something's going on with Dallas. It's just

1226
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: but the Knicks are is key for this league that

1227
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: they got some momentum right now. The league is not

1228
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: going to let the Knicks lose their momentum. They're going

1229
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: to get the right guy. I love Van Getty. I

1230
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: don't know why they would not.

1231
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: See again, I hate to just lean on the board

1232
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: ops here.

1233
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our.

1234
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: Producers, yes, but in their lifetimes, they have ever seen

1235
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: the Knicks win.

1236
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: A lick of anything? Right, that's correct.

1237
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 3: They ever seen the Knicks win what two Eastern Conference

1238
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: Finals games?

1239
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah? Hey, I saw them win the

1240
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony sweep state exactly.

1241
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: So it's just amazing how the NBA was able to

1242
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: withstand twenty five years of aneptitude by the New York Knicks.

1243
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: It's still here, still strong. They can survive, but they're

1244
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: better with the Knicks being relevant. It's been a quarter century, Steve,

1245
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: but then as a little bit better. Well, they're relevant now.

1246
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: They got to the Eastern Conference Finals and if they higher,

1247
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: Van Gunny, they might get the next step. All right,

1248
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: let's find out what's trending right now. Oh Martin is here? Martin?

1249
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: How you been man? It's good to hear you update

1250
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: this on a very busy day in sports.

1251
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. The White Sox have won seven

1252
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 3: games on the road.

1253
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: Now, what's going on?

1254
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: And they are fighting like hell to make it eight

1255
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: bottom of the tenth inning. Right now, they.

1256
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: With the with White Sox and the Rangers four to four.

1257
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: Now Texas does have the bases loaded, but this has

1258
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: been a comeback from behind for both teams games, so

1259
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: it's been very interesting to see. We'll see if the

1260
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: White Sox can force the top of the eleventh. Top

1261
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: of the eighth inning, the Rays doubling up the Mets

1262
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 3: eight to four, Red Sox with a one nothing lead

1263
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: over the Yankees on Fox and on the West Coast

1264
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: on Fox at the Padres and Diamondbacks. That's scoreless both

1265
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: of those in the top of the second inning. Earlier,

1266
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: the Marlins beat the Nationals four to three, Reds eleven

1267
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: to one over the Tigers, Cobbs two to one over

1268
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: the Pirates Orioles to come from behind six to five

1269
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: win over the Angels. Phillies came from behind and beat

1270
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays three to two. Astros with the three

1271
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: to two win over the Twins, Royal scuffling right now

1272
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: got beat lost to the A's four to nothing. Cardinals

1273
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: with a eight to five win over at Milwaukee, and

1274
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: Atlanta beat Colorado four to one in the w NBA

1275
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark made her return to the lineup due after

1276
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: a left squad injury one two to eighty eight to score.

1277
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: They beat the Liberty. Nobody were undefeated going into this.

1278
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 3: When Indiana finishes at five and five, it's her third

1279
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: home win on the year. Kaitlin Clark with thirty two

1280
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: points twenty five in the first half. Sabrina I and

1281
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: Su led all scores with thirty four points. NBA News,

1282
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: we were just talking about it. The Knicks plan to

1283
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: meet with former second winner Kings coach Mike Brown, who

1284
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 3: interviewed for the job right before Tom Thibodeau did, and

1285
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: Memphis Grazzlies coach Taylor Jenkins next week for their head

1286
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: coaching job. As Steve Hartman shakes his head in disgust

1287
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Speaker 3: hire Jeff Van Gundy, he says.

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Speaker 2: You know Mike Brown when he was coaching the Lakers,

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: and super nice guy, like really a great guy and

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 2: a good coach. But no, Mike Brown in New York

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: is not going to work. I promise you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Game five, Eastern Conference Final, I'm sorry. Game five starts

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01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: eight pm Eastern of the NHL Final. The Orielers made

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: a goalie changed Calvin Piccard getting the start over Stuart Skinner.

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Speaker 2: That's two to two between Edmonton and Florida. Back to us,

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Speaker 2: all right, back to us once again. This is Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. Steve Hartman, Martin Weiss with you. We're live

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Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Don't forget after the show.

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts. You'll see today's

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01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: show posted right after we get off the air. So

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: this us open. We're down to the last three pairs

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: out on the course and Adam Scott is now tied

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: for the lead. Adam Scott with JJ Spawn and Sam

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: Burns and Victor Hovelin. Just a shot back, all right.

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: If I were to say which one of those four guys,

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01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: you gotta believe that Hovelin and Scott, right, they've got

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: to be the favorites over Spawn and Burns.

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Speaker 3: My guests would be Hoveland. But I am now officially

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: rooting for Spawn.

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Speaker 2: You're rooting for JJ Spawn, who, by the way, is

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: a guy from San dimas here in southern California's an

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: LA guy. No, she's still like an LA guy, like

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: Paul George is a LA guy. But I'll allow it.

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: You know, he's not a Michigan guy. It's definitely not. No,

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: But I'm rooting for JJ. You're going for JJ Spahn.

1320
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: Well he's again, don't forget. It's not like JJ spond

1321
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: hasn't done anything. He lost a playoff to Rory at

1322
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: the Players Championship this year, so he got to the

1323
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: playoff a playoff against Roy mcelray at the Players Championship.

1324
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: So JJ Spahn has been there. But the Adam Scott

1325
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: story would be unreal if this guy, after all these years,

1326
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: were to finally win a US Open. Yeah, especially when

1327
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: you consider how many it was, ninety six ninety six

1328
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: straight major.

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: What do you think if you done anything besides maybe

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: brush your teeth or sleep ninety six days in a row.

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, I used to work every single day through in

1332
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: sixty five days in a row. You know how I am?

1333
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: How long was How long was your longest street, Kyle Ripken?

1334
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 2: I would say, well, basically I had a seven week,

1335
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: seven day a week work schedule for twenty years. You

1336
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: know what, Actually it was twenty four years cut that

1337
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: I actually had a scheduled work day every day. That

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: is twenty four years, you said, twenty four years, seven

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01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: days a week between radio and TV, some some both

1340
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: at the same time. I don't know.

1341
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 3: People are like, I think that's fifty nine This might

1342
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: be just under sixty thousand hours.

1343
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: It's about it working, Yeah, I dare say. There's obviously

1344
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: there's a lot of veterans in sports radio over the years,

1345
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: guys that I've known forever. I don't know many have

1346
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: done more hours of sports fucker radio. It's it's pretty lengthy.

1347
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 3: And see, Steve, that's why sometimes when you come off

1348
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: with these crazy conspiracy theories, I gotta make sure to

1349
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: well something, you've been doing.

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01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: This for a long time. But you'r of your voice

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01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: and record, Steve. But the thing about it is is

1352
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: that when you've been around as long as I have,

1353
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: you start seeing trends. Sure, and it's whether you believe

1354
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: in conspiracies or you don't. You can't ignore coincidence that

1355
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: seems to occur over and over again. Okay, something's going on,

1356
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: and so you know, and being on the inside the

1357
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 2: one thing about my background sort of being in on

1358
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: the inside of things before being a reporter of what's

1359
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: going on, is that you know stuff is going on

1360
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. I mean, I work for the Raiders,

1361
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: so I mean it's you know, a lot of stuff

1362
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,839
Speaker 2: going on there. Sam Burns, by the way, just birdied

1363
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: the seventeenth hole, so he now is a one shot lead.

1364
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: But sir, you don't think that potentially the correlation of

1365
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 3: maybe and maybe this is an indictment of an in

1366
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 3: and of itself before I start, but maybe that Scott

1367
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: Foster is one of the better referees in the NBA,

1368
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: which is why he gets the more pivotal game assignments.

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: Tim Gutt, Tim doneghe is the guy that blew the

1370
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: lid open on officiating the NBA because remember this, they

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: were not investigating Tim donaghe. They discovered what he was

1372
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: doing through an outside investigation about something completely unrelated. Otherwise

1373
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: Tim donaghue would still be doing what he was doing,

1374
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: still being an NBA official. So I don't know how

1375
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: close they monitor their officials over the years, and I've

1376
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: known a few of them personally. I've known one of

1377
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: the best that did absolutely nothing wrong. In his thirty

1378
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 2: years in the NBA, will not mention his name. Bill Spooner,

1379
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: dear friend. Okay. On the other side, we're going to

1380
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: get a little more insight and what to expect. Game

1381
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: five NBA Finals Monday Night, Pacers Thunder. Mark Bendine, our

1382
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: NBA insider, will join us. This is Fox Sports Saturday,

1383
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Harbin, Martin Weiss with you. Want

1384
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 2: to thank Mary Mac today. I want to thank Ian today.

1385
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: Want to thank mister update, Martin Weise, the out other

1386
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: Martin Weiss working today. You know, Steve, you can say

1387
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: I am many men. You are many men. So corny

1388
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: playing at the highest level. Get it? I know, I know,

1389
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: I don't get it. It's going right over me. All right,

1390
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Showing us right now is a man

1391
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: that needs no introduction, So I won't give him one. No,

1392
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm not do that. Mark Medina is our NBA insider

1393
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: for Fox Sports Radio. Mark, look at I'm the first

1394
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: to admit I did not see this kind of NBA

1395
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: Finals at all. I mean I went into the finals

1396
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 2: thinking you got one team that won sixty eight games

1397
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: by an averager thirteen points a game. In the vastly

1398
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: superior Western Conference, going against the four seed out of

1399
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,919
Speaker 2: the East. I'm smelling like sweep. Maybe I'll give Indiana

1400
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 2: one game, And yet here we are too too heading

1401
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: back to Oklahoma City. The fact that Shay Gildess Alexander,

1402
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: if there was any doubt about his value, that was

1403
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 2: put to rest with his unbelievable last five minutes a

1404
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: Game four to keep his Thunder team alive in these

1405
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Do you smell momentum going into Game five

1406
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: or could you just see the Thunder handing home court

1407
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 2: right back to the Pacers on Monday?

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01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, save good question. I think anything can happen. But

1409
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 6: if I had to predict which I will, I think

1410
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 6: that the Thunder now have control of the series because

1411
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 6: they have home court advantage. I think on paper they

1412
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 6: are the better team. And as you mentioned, Shake Gildas

1413
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 6: Alexander showed last night why he's the MVP of the season. Now.

1414
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 6: He did get away with that push off against Andrew

1415
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 6: nen Part and gott Foster missed that. He also missed

1416
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 6: the lou Dort push offs on Tyres Haliburton twice. But

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01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 6: I think even when you account for some bad calls,

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 6: shake gildess. Alexander Rose the occasion fifteen to thirty five

1419
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 6: points final four and a half minutes of the game,

1420
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 6: was very calm and showed everything you want a super star,

1421
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 6: a very clutch performance with both his playing as demeanor

1422
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 6: all round.

1423
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: Now Mark Medina is joining us.

1424
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 3: Normally I leave the scorcher scorching hot takes for Steve,

1425
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: but I gotta get this off my chest, Mark, and

1426
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 3: I gotta let you, gotta let me know if I'm

1427
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: crazy or not. I thought the whole conversation about Tyre's

1428
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: hurt Halliburton being overrated throughout the regular season and the

1429
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: early part of the postseason was kind of like, all right,

1430
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: only twelve guys voted for it, this is a bit much.

1431
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty much propably ready. He was on

1432
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: the US Olympic team, so on and so forth. But

1433
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 3: after he hit that game one shot, and I was like,

1434
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 3: maybe now he's overrated. And I kind of felt watching

1435
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: that game four down the stretch that like, if this

1436
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 3: is gonna sound like a big knock of Halliburton. I

1437
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: think that he's great, but I think that's the difference

1438
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 3: between a top five guy and a top fifteen guy

1439
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: is Tyree's Halliburton simply could not get anything going, it

1440
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: felt in the second half, but especially in last six

1441
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 3: minutes of that game.

1442
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: Offensively.

1443
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're not crazy, Ryan, So don't worry.

1444
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 6: I think that your analysis is spot on. And I

1445
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 6: think that the conversation that you're talking about is he

1446
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 6: overrated or not. I think the conversation is now is

1447
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 6: an all star or a superstar? I think right now

1448
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 6: he's an all star. He can be a superstar, but

1449
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 6: he's not ready for that. But that's okay. Twenty five

1450
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 6: years old, you're seeing the right to passage of a

1451
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 6: star player going through his first pretty deep playoff run. Now,

1452
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 6: he had that last year as well, but it wasn't

1453
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 6: the same as game to the Conference finals and game

1454
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 6: to the NBA Finals. And so what's been the interesting

1455
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 6: trend Ryan with Tyre's this postseason is his performance had

1456
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 6: fallen in three categories. You have clutch Tyres Haliburn, and

1457
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 6: then you have double digital sist Tyres Helburn, and then

1458
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 6: you have inconsistent performance Tyres Haliburn. So the idea is,

1459
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 6: how do you melt everything together so you're either gain

1460
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 6: one or two of those versions or both instead of

1461
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 6: the other. And when I pose that question of people

1462
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 6: around the league, you know, different coaches, different executives, they say, yeah,

1463
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 6: look like he has to be better with that, has

1464
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 6: to be more consistent, but it has more of a

1465
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 6: product if he's still young and he's trying to figure

1466
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 6: that out on what it takes to be consistent on

1467
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,919
Speaker 6: the next time face now, now, Mark.

1468
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: I will say this.

1469
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 3: You say some things that every so often like I

1470
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 3: hear it and I never forget it. I will never

1471
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 3: forget that, No, seriously, but I will never forget you.

1472
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: Sharing the story of tyres Tliburton's trainer sending like motivational

1473
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:36,959
Speaker 3: text messages before.

1474
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: Being comes like do you how much of that do

1475
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: you think?

1476
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 3: It's like the when I can't not see him in

1477
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 3: the fifth and the fourth quarter with five minutes left

1478
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 3: and think, well, maybe he needs to check his phone

1479
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 3: and somebody called him a name out of his you know.

1480
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: And then maybe he start hitting big shots. I can't

1481
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: shake it.

1482
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it drew hand. When

1483
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 6: his trainer talk to you, you would say the same

1484
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 6: thing because one of their motivational texts that he gave

1485
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 6: was before Nick's in Massive Square guarding Game seven last year,

1486
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 6: and his message was, do I really need to give

1487
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 6: you a motivational speech right now? It's Game seven at

1488
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 6: the garden speaks for itself, and so I think that

1489
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 6: that's part of it. The encouraging thing about Tyree is

1490
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 6: in the clutch for the most part, he's very confident.

1491
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 6: He knows it's go time. He knows that you can't

1492
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 6: just try to look to pass, You've got to be aggressive.

1493
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 6: But I think it's about putting everything together. That he

1494
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 6: is a young player that sometimes feeds off of external things,

1495
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 6: whether it's true handling gain in his head and feeding

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Speaker 6: him these quotes or challenging him or looking at stuff

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Speaker 6: on social media. Really the great ones when you look

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01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 6: at someone like Michael Jordan or other superstars, they might

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 6: look at those things to just get yourself going, but

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Speaker 6: they're internally motivated. They don't need external things because he's

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01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 6: making He's making stuff up just to give himself some

1502
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 6: topy off the Sunday. But the Sunday is his internal

1503
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 6: drive and high set of expectations for himself. So I

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 6: think Tyres will get there, but he still has to

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 6: figure that out that he doesn't need to rely on

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01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 6: other people's feedback to get him going. It's more about

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01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 6: gain himself going.

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Speaker 2: When it looked like the Pacers were in control of

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01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: Game four, about to take a three game to one

1510
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: series lead, I was fully prepared to come in today

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: and just absolutely slayh Dagnault and call for his immediate firing.

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Speaker 2: I don't get this guy at all. I really don't.

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01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out. Look. I mean, you know,

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01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: the whole Billy Donova thing he left. This guy was

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01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 2: a G league coach, He never played college basketball. You know,

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01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: he was a manager on a college basketball team. The

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: whole story. And he takes over Okay, see when they

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: were terrible and obviously the beneficiaries of that incredible Paul

1519
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: George Tree to put you know, pieces in place for

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 2: them to be where they are right now. But looking forward,

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Speaker 2: is he the best guy? I mean, I mean we

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 2: could have said the same thing about Spolstra back in

1523
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: the day, and it proved that Eric Spolstra was that

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01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 2: kind of coach. Is dagnall that? I mean, do you

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01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: believe this is a guy that could end up rattling

1526
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: off multiple championships three or four championships with not only

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 2: the talent that Okase has, but with five number one

1528
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: picks over the next two years, ten over the next

1529
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 2: five years, they can completely reload. Is he the right

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: guy to lead this team to maximize their potential?

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Speaker 6: I think so. I mean walk unless Steve Kerr or

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01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 6: Bill Jackson or Greg Popovich want to come out of

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 6: nowhere and say, hey, let me coach the thunder Mark

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01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 6: Daganol is the right coach. I think that he's made

1535
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 6: some tactical mistakes with overthinking starting case in the wallace

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 6: to start the series because he's thinking, you know what,

1537
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 6: in today's NBA, let's go small, Isaia Hardenstein, chev holmbergnerre

1538
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 6: the guys that got you there. And I think the

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 6: fact that he went to that lineup yesterday showed that

1540
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 6: admission that this is all hands on deck, almost must win,

1541
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,799
Speaker 6: let's not mess around. But I think the bigger picture

1542
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,759
Speaker 6: is that he's shown that he has proven and more

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 6: than just that G league coach, that he has known

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01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 6: how to earn the respect of young NBA players and

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01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 6: really be on the forefront of playing a major part

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01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 6: in their development. When you're looking at Shay as well

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01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 6: as guys like Jalen Williams.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to cut you off, Mark, but

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Speaker 3: I do want to ask you this. We only have

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01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 3: two minutes left here, because I think a big reason

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 3: why they won that game was putting putting jub on

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Speaker 3: the ball.

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Speaker 2: Do you see that happening again in game five? Or

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: he with be a counter.

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 6: I could see it happening because Jalen has prepared himself

1556
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 6: to be on and off the ball, having that two

1557
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 6: man game with Shay to reduce some of his work

1558
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 6: well being able to assume the ball. So I think

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Speaker 6: because of Jalen.

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Speaker 2: Mark, I'm gonna have to cut you off. We're at

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Speaker 2: five seconds ago, not two minutes. Thanks so much, Mark Medina.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday,