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Speaker 1: I notice you're running like a like a like a

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Speaker 1: Well too, I don't have to spit as much, but

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Speaker 1: you're spitting into that that juice bottle. Yeah, what gets

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Speaker 1: that nicotine gum? No? No. One of my favorite stories

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Speaker 1: of Dirts is he had a girlfriend um Don in

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Speaker 1: Were more liberal people who were barefoot most of the time.

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Speaker 1: in my yard. You wouldn't like stepping on wet grasp

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Speaker 1: spitting where he was stepping. But I don't think that

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Speaker 1: They were. They were thinking like a conservative would be like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I do think politics influence people. For like you know

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Speaker 1: I've brought many times, is that that um being gluten

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Speaker 1: I stopped. I'd spit out on the back forty instead,

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Speaker 1: I know the constellation Ursus minor. Yeah, okay, Ursus is

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Speaker 1: the bear family. I didn't know that. Did you know that?

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Speaker 1: Of the that the the ursus with the greatest distribution

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Speaker 1: And then you have like the grizzly bears of the

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Speaker 1: But in hunting Lingo and around, you'll be able to

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Speaker 1: A brown bear is a grizzly, So grizzly can be

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Speaker 1: a brown bear a grizzly because it's completely like you're saying.

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Speaker 1: A grizzly is a brown bear. A brown bear is

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Speaker 1: coastal grizzly. A grizzly is an inland brown bear. It

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Speaker 1: grizzly bears. These are all classifications of brown bears brown bears.

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Speaker 1: the way that hunting type dudes use the term. Now

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about a grizzly, we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: in coastal environments and do not have access to salmon. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Those bears tend to be to have a grizzled appearance.

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Speaker 1: They tend to be silvery blonde lighter and you're coastal

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Speaker 1: The largest ones live on uh the Kodiak Archipelago, which

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Speaker 1: includes a fog Knack Island, Fog Raspberry, Kodiak and do

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Speaker 1: and Raspberry have been genetically isolated for ten thousand years

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Speaker 1: in interior Alaska, but they cut them loose here because

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00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: like why not, why not have more meat on the ground.

423
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: What's funny about it to me is that you have

424
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: those those introductions that occurred and they manage them in perpetuity,

425
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: even though they would never get the green light to

426
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: establish it now. So they're like, well they're here now,

427
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: now we're going to manage it. In a conservative fashion,

428
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: like they don't want them to explode in numbers. And

429
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: they were able to control the valve through how many

430
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: hunting permits they issue, um, so inadvertently, I think I

431
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: now believe they made the most difficult elk hunting on

432
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: the planet, um by Cotton. These elk loose on a

433
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: fog knack island. If I could go back in time,

434
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: I would find the guy that came up with that

435
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: idea and I would punch him in the baby. So

436
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: where are we left that? We were fixing to do

437
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: some hunting and it was foggy, Um, you couldn't see

438
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: ship and ray, rainy and foggy, miserable camping conditions at times,

439
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: miserable camping conditions. But Remy had done the hunt before

440
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: on a fog knack and we were kind of like

441
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: following our hunt play was the mimic Remy's previous hunt plan.

442
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Like Remy, just like I don't I can't tell you

443
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. I don't really know if it works

444
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: like it worked before. Um, and we can find them

445
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: in a valley I found him in. It's just gonna

446
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: come down to will we get a chance to like

447
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: have a look. Will the weather cooperate? If the weather cooperates,

448
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be. It's not going to be that.

449
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: It's a challenging hunt. It's just a challenging like set

450
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: of experiences, right because you've got to get through the

451
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: shitty weather to get to the point where you can

452
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: shoot one. Then you have to get that one that

453
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: you shoot back to camp. And the terrain lends itself

454
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: very poorly to easily getting back to camp, No two

455
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: ways about it. It sucks walking through it looks nice.

456
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: You could watch the episode say I would make it

457
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: there in an hour, not four hours later, you're gonna

458
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: be slogging through stuff, really discouraged. Well, we can put

459
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: some numbers to it. It took us five hours to

460
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: travel two point seven miles, yeah, the way the crow

461
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: flies two point seven miles as Yeah, so two point

462
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to cover two point seven miles as the crow flies,

463
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: just you know, with your travel route deviating from that

464
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: straight line from just from topographical features. Took five hours

465
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: to travel and that's like, that's that's hard hiking. That

466
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: was yeah, hiking for five hours straight, not doing during

467
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: refers to as Jimmy Dicken. We were just very well

468
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: could be double the actual distance. Yeah, I think, but

469
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. There's no such thing as walking

470
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a straight line, and there's some major climbing involved in between,

471
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: and that made you're climbing. I just the way that brushes.

472
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's very similar to walking through

473
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: knee deep snow or foot igh snow. The amount of

474
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: energy going through that, I think it's even worse because

475
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: like if you get if you get in a situation

476
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: where the tall grass or like the authors grab your leg,

477
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: then you trip, and you don't have that in snow,

478
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, so like you're expending energy trying to keep

479
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: yourself up and like the brush gets too thick. It's

480
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: like waiting through snow men. It's like, yeah, who can

481
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: grab it? Tiny snow man? Who want to knock you down?

482
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: The whole time? Um, hold on, I want to go

483
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: back to the point about it being double. Let me explain. Okay,

484
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: not only are you going zig zagging right, because we

485
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: like you're going away from camp to get to a

486
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: pass and then you go across the ridge up over

487
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the you know, the top of a you know, a

488
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: small knoll to another pass to then go down. So

489
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you've got the zig and the zag. But then also

490
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: you figure when you're going up, like you said, like

491
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: Camp's only twenty over that pass, right, because you're at

492
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: the top of the pass and you're looking almost straight

493
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: down at Camp, and so that that um linear distance

494
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: as the crow flies is only whatever, what is it,

495
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: five yards? Eight hundred yards? Right, Like you can make

496
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: the shot with a rifle almost you're actually going down

497
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: twice that at the top of that peak we had

498
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: to go over. You're at fifteen fifty and Camps at

499
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: three fifty, and you could definitely lob a two round

500
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: down into your tent, not lob you could shoot a

501
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: twenty two round down into your tent from that peak. Yeah,

502
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: because it's so steep. Yeah, it's it's is steep as

503
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: you'd want to walk without ropes. Probably. I'm just saying

504
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of distance it's not accounted for.

505
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: When you talk about it wasn't factoring in the zig

506
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: or the zag. I was factoring in just the you know,

507
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: up and down. Yeah. Now, on a trail, you're going

508
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: several miles an hour. A good hiker is covering few

509
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: miles an hour on a trail, so that's the thing.

510
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: So anyways, we finally get like, you can't hunt. This

511
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: is a generalization generally, with notable exceptions. One cannot fly

512
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: in the hunt on the same day in Alaska um

513
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: because it would encourage the practice of locating animals from

514
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the air landing you're planing and shooting at them, which

515
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: they don't typically want. And in the places where you

516
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: can fly and hunt on the same day, our places

517
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: where that doesn't where the quarry isn't really conducive to

518
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: that kind of approach anyway. Like generally, like hunting blacktail deer,

519
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: it just generally doesn't line out that you would like

520
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: find a blacktail from your plane, land and shoot it.

521
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: That is a different kind of critter in a different

522
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of habitat caribou, it would work out real well,

523
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to do it, and you to

524
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: let have a night passed and you hunt the next day.

525
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: So we couldn't hut the first day with it, not

526
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: that we had the opportunities anyways. Then the next day

527
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: just fog um and then we hiked up to a

528
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: spot where we could look down into a valley known

529
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: to be frequented by elk Um based off Ramy's past

530
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: experiences and in conversations with pilots who fly over the

531
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: area all the time. And then I just walked up,

532
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: said wow, it's real foggy, walked back down soaked. The

533
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: next day, walked up, said wow, it's real foggy, and

534
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: walked back down so well. The next day walked up,

535
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: said wow, it's real foggy. And then we decided to

536
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: hang out. That was a third day or what day

537
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: was the day that we walked through the real brushy ship.

538
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: That was the second day. He was on our way

539
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: up to see that it was foggy. Yeah, that was

540
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: the third day we flew. We hiked up to the

541
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: top direct. Third day was the lake hike. Yeah, we

542
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: stayed low and then up, I'm just clarifying in my

543
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: own mind, straight up and said, man, it's foggy. Start

544
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: to see whisperings, whisperings of clearness coming and going. Devoted

545
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of time to try and to start a fire,

546
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: put up some tarps to get out of the rain,

547
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I wouldn't make like

548
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: an angel noise, but it wasn't like an angel like

549
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: clearing it was like clouds would blow through. We're staying fog.

550
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: You're not. It's not far rain. You're in the clouds.

551
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Clouds rain, You're in a cloud. It's not far white room.

552
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: You're just like up in it. You're like in the

553
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: thing when it's raining, the thing that's the rains falling

554
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: out of your standing in that thing. Fog sounds nice. Yeah,

555
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: you climb up into a cloud and then there's like

556
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: rain happening around you. It's like a garden hose with

557
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: a mist setting on all the time. Yeah, exactly. But

558
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: these clouds would blow and there'd be gaps between the clouds.

559
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: And during the gaps between these clouds, were looking down

560
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, um, two point four miles away,

561
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: a bull is standing there like kind of like scent

562
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: from the heavens. And then the bull promptly vantages and

563
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: vanishes into a little thicket. And then we notice in

564
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: a creek bed down below the bowl, we noticed what

565
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: looks like two or three other elk that make a

566
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: little real quick appearance, and they were they were quite

567
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: a ways off, and so we started hoofing down towards

568
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: these elk. Uh travel that distance, it took a lot

569
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: of time. So now it's already into the afternoon, right yeah,

570
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: late afternoon, and no time to stop for lunch, not

571
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: even have time to eat food. And find the bull

572
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: that we saw. Find the bull that was sent from

573
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: the heavens to walk out of a walk out of

574
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: a alder patch and present himself for view. Find him

575
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: beded up on a little high spot, a little high grassy,

576
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: a grassy knole, and get a and here in this

577
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: area it's like all grass like, kind of like waste

578
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: high grass, some chest high grass, some knee high muck.

579
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: And then here and there a big gass spruce tree.

580
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: We get a big gas spruce tree between us and

581
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: the bull, and the bulls laying there and lays there

582
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: for a long time, right up until the point where

583
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: we get about yards away from it, and I'm getting

584
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: ready to prop my rifle up and take a poke

585
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: at him, should he stand up, and he just walks

586
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: and vanishes. Crazy. At this point we start talking about

587
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: how maybe it's getting a little late to be trying

588
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: to do this. That was that like probably three thir

589
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: for Yeah, we're saying it might we might, even though

590
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: it's not dark, it might be getting into foolish territory. Hm.

591
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: But continue on to be shooting because we have to

592
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: remember we're still in that giant bear country, but we

593
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: have yet to see a bear. Yeah, evidence of bears,

594
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: like bears walk in the lake where camped down had

595
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: had had what seemed like it must have been a

596
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: pretty healthy sock i run, just based on the amount

597
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: of carcasses strewn around on the beach, some bears feeding

598
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: on them. And while we were in there, there was

599
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot of steelhead in there, and a lot of

600
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: of cohos or silvers are in there as well, And

601
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: so you'd see some bear tracks uh on the beach

602
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: and then you'd kind of stop them out and find

603
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: a new bear track on the beach. And one day

604
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: on one of the trails up by of the pass,

605
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: we had bear tracks on our tracks. So they're around,

606
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: but had laid eyes on them. And but you're you're

607
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: aware of their presence, and you're mainly wear of the

608
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: presence because your whole life you've been like hearing about

609
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: Kodiak bears, right, the bad mo fo's who endorned the

610
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: you ten us what did you say, arsus used to

611
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: be so they got tangled up with him a little

612
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: bit um now, so we keep pressing on and kind

613
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: of give up on the bull that we knew about.

614
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: Remy ripped a few bugles, did some cow call, and

615
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: nothing in the world was gonna stand that, or we

616
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what he did. He laughed, laid down, couldn't

617
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: locate him, couldn't find him. Can I say something, please?

618
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: Something that gave me a perspective on the like the

619
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: heights of the ship you're walking through, was when that

620
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: elk disappears. So it's like on any other hunt, you'll

621
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: see an animal going to a small like timber standard

622
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: tree stand. You're like, yeah, of course it could disappear.

623
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: This elk which is massive, what like how many pounds

624
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: he leased over there? We didn't cover that. We got okay,

625
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: extremely valuable today they were. But so when this so

626
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: you're looking at this elk and you're like looking at

627
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: the landscape and it looks fairly close because it is

628
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: two point four or whatever. And then actually when it disappeared,

629
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: we were away and he literally in what looks like

630
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, knee high bush anywhere else totally vanishes,

631
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: like ceases to exist. Like you guys are glass and

632
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: that small chunk, I mean it was tiny area, not

633
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: a sign of them. But then not I would say,

634
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: ceased to exist. But then all of a sudden he

635
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: rematerialized later in fact, had not ceased to exist. He

636
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: was just from our Yeah, the perspective had just like

637
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: was no longer on the earth, was sucked up a phantom,

638
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 1: a phantom helk. No, So backchack to dirts earlier point.

639
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Roosevelt's has Roosevelt elk are the biggest bodied of the elk.

640
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: But the biggest versions of Roosevelt elk are here. I

641
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yes, they are larger than the natives.

642
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: They have bulls up there here where we are right now,

643
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: they have bulls, or within a few miles where we

644
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: are now, they have bulls that have tipped the scales

645
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: at one thousand, three hundred pounds. Wow mm hmm, ridiculous. Yeah, Yeah,

646
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: that's when you paish on the giants, right on the giants,

647
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Like they're saying that when you pack, when you could

648
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: be packing seven hundred pounds of meeting and the school

649
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: and alers, biggest of the big that'd be some that'd

650
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: be some bone fish as seven hundred on average for bulls,

651
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: which is it's quite a span there and that's but

652
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: that includes the other islands as well, or is that

653
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: just yeah, okay instantially so Fognac has the largest of

654
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: the large Roosevelt. Yeah. But you know, you know, these

655
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: weights like they're varied. But as far as like finding

656
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: the biggest, you know, if you were going to go

657
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: out and have like a find the biggest bowl thing,

658
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you would go here and weigh all these bulls and

659
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: you turn up the largest specimen um. So you keep yeah,

660
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: and you just look at that. It's like they're a

661
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: stout man like stout. So we keep pressing along because

662
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: up ahead of us we we got some cows. And

663
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: then we hear a bugle rip out ahead of us.

664
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: And normally when you're hunting out in most places in

665
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: the Rockies or whatever, you hear a bugle rip out

666
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: ahead of you, and you sit there with your binoculars

667
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes. You be like, oh, there

668
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: he is, but here I ain't gonna have And this

669
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: mountain where walking across the face of there is I'm

670
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: not exaggerating, there is a full on balls out creek

671
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: every and I don't understand where it's coming from, and

672
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: when you get to the creek it is a I

673
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: would say at least a chest to head high straight

674
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: drop with devil's clubbing minute. Yeah, so it's like ranging

675
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: from Yeah, you're like ranging from a six to twelve

676
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: ft goalie with a full on creek that you could

677
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: like set up a gristmill in everything. Like I'm like,

678
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: where is the water coming from. It's coming from that

679
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: cloud that sits on top of the mountain all day

680
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: long and all night long. Even trying to be like yeah,

681
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: so I'll be like to yeah, it's like yeah, so

682
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: you'll hit a spruce then across thirteen streams and the

683
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: fourteen will be in the four stream bed well. And

684
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: that's like a function to of the uh you know,

685
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: direction to faces pointing, because I feel like on the

686
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: other side of that drainage it wasn't like that, but

687
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: you still have the same water. It just comes in

688
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: the form of these like giant grassy, marshy meadows where

689
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: the streams instead of being like that kind of cutty

690
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: canyon feel to them, it's just like a stream that

691
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: is just moving through grass and yeah, like it's like

692
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: an alluvial fan where you might hike across two yards

693
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: of water from like the rock guard on your boot

694
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: up to your ankle. That's just kind of moving yeah,

695
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: across a like an alluvial fan. It looks like just

696
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: like a flooded field. I'm just walking in like a

697
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: current well irrigated hayfield, but with yea with current, this

698
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: slight movement of the water. Um. So we keep pressing

699
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: along and we got these cows out ahead of us.

700
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: And at this point I'm having a lot of trepidation.

701
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm like aware of the time. I keep looking at

702
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: my GPS being like, no matter what happens, this is

703
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna turned into a late one. And all of a sudden,

704
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Remy spots pretty incredible spot. The real legalize spots a

705
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: bedded one horned bowl and what he spots is the antler.

706
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: So he spots a single antler before in a pile

707
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: of Ye kind of couldn't believe it. Once you're like

708
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: learning what you're looking at, like, wow, that was a

709
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: good spot. Laying down, he's got one six point main

710
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: one main beam with six points on it. And the

711
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: way these elk look they kind of if you're familiar

712
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: with the red deer where they get the crowns on top.

713
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: The way these elk antlers look are so compact, they

714
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: get like a red deer ish quality too. You get

715
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: like a little three point crown on top. So he's

716
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: got like a main beam that comes out of a

717
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: base that's bigger than a beer can. Yeah, And I

718
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: think the way their antlers grows just a function of

719
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: their size, so big, and they've got so much weight

720
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: that when they fight, you know, they need stout antlers

721
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: at the base to keep from breaking off. So the

722
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: bulls that have the bigger bases and the heavier antlers

723
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: are going to be the ones that can plow through

724
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: and fight. They do. So we we went up seeing

725
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: three bulls. All we saw three bulls, Like, I think

726
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: we saw more bulls who were missing. So this dude

727
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: did bust up. So so the way these antlers work

728
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: is like it's way bigger than the beer can when

729
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: it girls out of his head. But then the eye

730
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: guard is sort of mashed down into the base as well,

731
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: so that it's like the eye guarden scenes almost kind

732
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: of come out of the base rather than having like

733
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: a chunk that you kind of put your hand around

734
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: and in the eye guard. It's like the eye guarden

735
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: the base. They're kind of mashed together, and it's just

736
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: really like thick stout antler with very short times coming

737
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: out of it. So he's got an eye guard and

738
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: two times and like a three time crown coming out

739
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: of the top, and the whole thing, the whole I mean,

740
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: the whole main beam and three ft long. Yeah, yeah,

741
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: probably um and then one of them he just snapped

742
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: off above his eye garden. The thinnest spot is snapped

743
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: off on it. But he's laying there kind of unaware

744
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: of us, but facing us and kind of messed around.

745
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like trying to get lined out on a shot,

746
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: but he's like facing us too much. Now. One time,

747
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: years ago hunt with Ryan Callahan, I took a dead

748
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: on shot on a bull moose, like a brisket shot,

749
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: which should just devastate a deer, right basically that's the

750
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: little colic that forms on their chest, you know. And

751
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: I hit that and it just wasn't a lethal shot

752
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: on a moose, just too much meat and bone and whatnot.

753
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: And uh, I was lined up on him and I

754
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: had some sticks in the way. Remy had a clear angle.

755
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I moved over. You called at the bowl a little

756
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: bit to try to I was trying to get you

757
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: to get it to not run off because he was

758
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: becoming aware of our presence. He knew we were there.

759
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: Stood up. Eventually he turned up where I could snake

760
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: one in on like a quartering, a steep quartering to

761
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: a shot, and and that shot would have done would

762
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: have done the trick. You know, after an autopsy, I

763
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: realized that that shot would have eventually it would have

764
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: done the trick, probably within some number of yards. But

765
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: he spun started running and I hit another one that

766
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: shattered his front leg, but he already had his lung

767
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: shot out. And he then tumbled down into one of

768
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: the deeper creeks and landed smack ass in the water,

769
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: and like in the water, formed a small damn and

770
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 1: formed an embound. When he hit the water, he formed

771
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: an impoundment. This creek is how far down from probably

772
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: dirty feet and probably only ten ft wide. Oh yeah,

773
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's how steep it was. And there's a waterfall

774
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: just behind him, picturesque, very very steep canyon. The worst

775
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: place he probably could have fallen on that hill, dude.

776
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: And the minute that happened in the minute I walked

777
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: over there. You know, it's like if something's gonna be

778
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't even like celebratory because you're kind

779
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: of like, oh man, it is getting late. We are

780
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: a five hour walk from camp and it's already like

781
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: it's evening. Yeah, it's evening now. Such a big body too. Yeah,

782
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't remind listeners that this turns into a grizzly

783
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: bear story, because this turns into a brown bear story. Um.

784
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: So we start cutting on it and really pointed out

785
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: that he did kind of like having the elk laying

786
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: in a creek because it was easy, very easy to

787
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: keep things clean. You would make a cut and like,

788
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: oh man, there's some hair on my knife. Then you

789
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: just like hold your knife in the creek and everything

790
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: was like, looked, it's clean at the kill site. But um,

791
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: there was no way to like move it around the maneuver.

792
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: You just had to start working at what was exposed.

793
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: So we pulled the you know, skin it down, the spine,

794
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: work to hide off, got a back leg off, got

795
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: a shoulder off, got a backstrap off, boned out the

796
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: ribs with the guts still in the thing boned out

797
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: the neck, remove the head, got a tenderloin out with

798
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: the guts still in the thing, got it rolled over. Um,

799
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: and these are a hundred pound quarters probably the shoulders

800
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: probably not, but I think the back legs, I think,

801
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: I yeah, the quarters of the front shoulders, I would

802
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: say we're very similar to a back quarter of average

803
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: size Rocky Mountain hilk. Yeah. And I think the back

804
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: legs were like borderline like moose legs, like probably a

805
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: hundred pounders when you say yanni, yeah, very hard to

806
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: So then we got that the whole thing rolled over.

807
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: Are you are you still conducting fact checking? Really? What's

808
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: what's uh? What's what's what's what are you on? Well,

809
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm going through remember when we had we did the

810
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: five questions from Frank van mannon Um talking about grizzly bear. Uh.

811
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: So I just pulled that up and it it was just refreshing.

812
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: So because I know we're probably talk about numbers about

813
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: how many exists in the world two thousand oh no,

814
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: the like percentages of bear spray versus firearms and that

815
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, all that all that stuff that I

816
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: now know to be so Um flipped it over. Did

817
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: the same thing all over again. Did you guys see

818
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: the battle wounds on the first side of the Oh,

819
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to talk about. We'll talk about

820
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: he's a fighter fighter, so on everywhere on him is bruises,

821
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: and like where he felt it wasn't rocky, so like

822
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: he didn't get bruised up in his He took quite

823
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: a total old old battle scars, some scar tissues, louising

824
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: on his ribs. And keep in mind he had that

825
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: broken antler and he didn't break that antler like you know,

826
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: trash and broke. I was gonna make a point too

827
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: about the broken antlers. Uh, you see a lot of

828
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: broken times a lot of places right like where I've guided.

829
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Um you probably see broken times compared to broken main

830
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: beams is probably I don't know, a hundred of one.

831
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: It could be everyone we saw it was broken. Yeah,

832
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: now there's competing I think there's competing um theories on

833
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: why some areas have a lot of broken why elk

834
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: in some areas have a lot of broken antlers, And

835
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's someone that knows the proper answer.

836
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I've heard that it has to do with

837
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: mineral quality that some elk antlers are inherently weaker. Some

838
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: elk in some areas produce a weaker antler because of

839
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: mineral quality in the soils. And I've heard that it's

840
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: a function of and Remy shared this one with me

841
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: that he believes a better explanation is that it's more

842
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: of a function of cow to bowl ratios. Yeah, that

843
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: they that that and he's at the time spent fighting

844
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: to breed. Yeah. That in areas where you got you know,

845
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: ten cows for every bull, a bull is able to

846
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: stay out of skirmishes. But these areas where you have

847
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: high bold of cow ratios, they're spending more time in

848
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: the dominant struggles and they're just breaking more aislers. Yeah.

849
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the accepted theory down in Arizona

850
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: trophy units is that they just they're managed very well

851
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: for a you know, equal bowlder cow ratio, and the

852
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: bulls just have to do a lot more fighting because

853
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: you go to a neighboring unit that's got the same

854
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: terrain and everything, but just managed different not as many

855
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: broken anilers. Because of the three apps fishing fighting right, yeah, uh,

856
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: they're not. They don't do one of them fish, but

857
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: they spend more, they they're able to devote more of

858
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: that energy to the one after the other. Uh So

859
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: where was that the hole in his the hole in

860
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: his rear ham he had. I'm skinning his rear ham

861
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, someone like I almost have shot

862
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: a third time that I forgot about because he has

863
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: a large wound on his rear ham. But when you

864
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: skin the hide back, it's like a perfect inch diameter

865
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: hole punched through his hide where a time punched through

866
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: his hide and then went into his rear ham several inches.

867
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: It was just an infected mess, just beat up. Yeah,

868
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: he should take up fishing, so he probably do pretty

869
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: good fishing there. Um. So that was weird triming that

870
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: all out. So now now we're entering in like so,

871
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: so so here you are. You got uh we got

872
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: six guys because you know me and Remy and then

873
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: we have our crew guys and and and a A

874
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: perk and liability of this line of work is that

875
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: you get when you come out like crew guys get

876
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: equal cut of all the meat if they want it. Um,

877
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: but they also carry it. Would we share if they

878
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: didn't carry I would to expect it to be I

879
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: also wouldn't want we would, but maybe not as much

880
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: because we share with the office crew as well. Not

881
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: on this one. When you carry do you feel uh,

882
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: you're carrying your one sixth so rich? When you carry

883
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: elk or when you pack me, do you feel like

884
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm packing me in order to get some or you

885
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: like un packing me this because this is a sucky

886
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: thing that needs to happen a little bit of both.

887
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: I like, if I'm thinking I'm gonna take any home,

888
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna watch you guys carry a bunch

889
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: of weight in some shitty terrain. I want to like

890
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: help out, but you guys already have a ton of

891
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: gear with you. Yeah, and it and when we do

892
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: get strapped up with me, well, at least me A

893
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: Garrett is kind of a superhuman dude, so he can

894
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: still charge up hills, but it makes me a little slower,

895
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: so I can't like run out and get all the

896
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: shots that I normally do when we're on we're unloaded.

897
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: But I just like, especially this one, I just would

898
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: I just couldn't sit and like hike out with an

899
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: empty pack because we're in a we're in like a

900
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: like just kind of uncomfortable city. Yeah, so we got

901
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: always meet and we know that, um, because we're gonna

902
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: be hiking in the ground so bad, like the walking

903
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: is so difficult that and it's already and it's dark

904
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: out now that we know, we're not gonna even though

905
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: there's six of us and six people can carry like

906
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: trail hiking, six people can absolutely move a normal elk

907
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: with like not that big of a deal really, Like

908
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: if you're just like, go ahead a trail wad for

909
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: a few miles, you just picked the whole thing up

910
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: and go. But this is kind of out of the

911
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: question because we have so much vertical to gain and lose.

912
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: We're not on any kind of a trail for the

913
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: bulk of it, and we have a very large patch

914
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: of brush. We should also mention at this point when

915
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: the last meat went in the bag, it is pitch black. Yeah,

916
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: I pitch yeah, pitch black. Yeah. So the first thing

917
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: we need to do is go earlier I was mentioned

918
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: and how now and then there's a big gas spruce

919
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: we had before it got dark, identified a spruce tree

920
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: that would be adequate to get whatever meat we couldn't

921
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: carry up into the tree. And this spruce was directly

922
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: uphill from us. So we get done butcher in the elk,

923
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: and the first step is too because now it's dark

924
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: and you got a nice gutty smell blown everywhere. The

925
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: first step is to try to get some separation of

926
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: the meat and the guts, thinking that I want a

927
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: bear or any kind of predator really comes in and

928
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: claims a kill site. They I'm anthropomorphizing a little teeny bit,

929
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: but probably not too much. They know that they might

930
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: lose it to the next thing up. Okay, so you

931
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: find a kill and you don't you can't just assume

932
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: that it's yours for the next five days. So what

933
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: things generally do is devour soft tissue because you can

934
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: just wolf fit down. It's high calorie food. They'll come

935
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: in and mop up like the liver goes quickly the

936
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: long just and then you can just soup right up

937
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: and doesn't take a lot of work. They'd like to

938
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: get on that stuff first. So the general thinking in

939
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: bear country is if you remove your your meat, like

940
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: your bone in quarters or whatever, remove them from the guts,

941
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: there's a chance that a bear is gonna come in

942
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: and the first thing he's gonna do is claim the

943
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: thing with the soft tissue, the greatest amount of smell,

944
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: all the blood. He's gonna pick that, and you might

945
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: grease off with your meat if it's separate. So we

946
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: move all our meat, not far but out of the

947
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: goalie up onto a little grass, another grassy knoll, and

948
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: then we take half of it, load our backpacks with

949
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: half of it, and hike that up to a big

950
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: spruce tree. Yeah, and hang half of that up in

951
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: a spruce about probably twelve to thirteen feet up in

952
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: a spruce tree, with the theory that nothing can get it. Yeah.

953
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Mature grid like cubs, brown bear cubs can climb a tree,

954
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: but eventually that you know. A distinguishing feature, a morphological

955
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: difference between black bears and brown bears is that black

956
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: bears have a short, hooked claw. Grizzlies have a long,

957
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: relatively straight, more sickle shape claw. And as a grizzly

958
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: gets big and heavy, those claws, the way that they're

959
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: long and straight, those claws do not lend themselves to climbing.

960
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: They're more for digging. Yeah, they got a digging claw.

961
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: They spend a lot more time flipping rocks, digging roots.

962
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: It's just their their food resources are used differently. They

963
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: tend to live in more open country, can live quite

964
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: happily in a total absence of trees. You do not

965
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: find black bears in the absence of trees. The old

966
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: adage is to tell a difference between a black bear

967
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: and a grizzly is if the bear climbs up a

968
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: tree and eats you, it's a black bear. That's an

969
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: interesting thing to bring up in these in in Coastal Alaska,

970
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: the islands. There are some minor exceptions of this, but

971
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: this is a this is generally true. It's a true.

972
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: It's a truism. The islands either have black bears are grizzlies.

973
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: So Prince of Wales Island is a black bear island.

974
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Right Admiralty Island north of there is a grizzly bear island.

975
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: They don't commingle on islands. If it's a suitable habitat,

976
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: I keep saying, if it's suitable habitat for a brown bear,

977
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: that's who's going to live there. If it's black bears

978
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: on an island, it's because it's not suitable habitat for

979
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: brown bears. If it's not suitable habitat for brown bears.

980
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: It's probably all heavily timbered and there's no open country.

981
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: They tend to like open country, they use it better.

982
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: So we get it up in a tree because because

983
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna buil, climb to damn tree and get

984
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: the meat up. Then we go back down to buy

985
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: the kill site, get all of our meat and start

986
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: hiking at ten thirty pm. Get to our camp at

987
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: three thirty am. Yea, eat some freeze, dry, go to

988
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: bed about four or thirty am. Fairly exhausting, chuck it out.

989
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: It was a full day now by the time you

990
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: get like a reasonable amount of sleep and also then

991
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: wake up and regroup, Like you got a mess, right,

992
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: you got stuff to clean up. We had to get

993
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: the meat we brought home, um get it, you know,

994
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: get it situated in the way that we're happy with.

995
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: We put it inside a hot wire we have like

996
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: a little portable hot wire fence. We put the meat

997
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: inside there. But the next day we wanted to establish

998
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: another hot wire fence that wasn't the same hot wire

999
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: fence that contained our tents. Get the meat out of

1000
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: the ground in another tree. So originally like the night

1001
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: we got back all late at night we put the

1002
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: meat inside the hot wire fence that also contained tents,

1003
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: and the next day we wanted to get it up

1004
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: in a tree where it could breathe out and be

1005
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: up in the breeze and have its own containment hot

1006
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: wire fence around it. Um did all that, had some

1007
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: show business stuff to take care of. I had a

1008
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: bunch of fish catching to do. We're talking meat though,

1009
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: because it might be hard to come back to it.

1010
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: But since you guys dropped it off in your mouth,

1011
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: you see something I don't know. I thought you're chewing

1012
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: teeth and chewing us like some hard candy or something,

1013
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: which I thought was disrespectful. I do have a little

1014
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: pith stuck between That's fine, that's fine, um. But because

1015
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: we're the meat hung for what was it three days?

1016
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: Four days, and we were a little bit worried about

1017
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: the condition of the meat. But you guys take it

1018
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: to the process and I'm guessing I got to handle

1019
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: it and look at it and smell it. How was it?

1020
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Did it farewell? They thought? Look good? I thought, look good? What? What? What? What? Yeah?

1021
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: I see now we're man. That was a way out

1022
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: of order. Uh, it was a way out of order.

1023
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: Thing to bring up. Look fine, look fine, Yeah, it's

1024
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: not cold here. It's like it's not like a normal

1025
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you're in a coastal environment here

1026
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: and it's like always cold but never cold cold. Yeah

1027
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: not I only you ever got below forty Yeah, not

1028
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: great meat hanging weather. And when it's real what it's

1029
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: all this rain, right, So it's a lot of rain

1030
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: and never real cold old. So when we got back,

1031
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: uh flew out and got back to town, first order

1032
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: business is trying to find someplace to that we could

1033
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: get our meat chilled off because it was already borderline.

1034
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: And a thing that there's like a smell that that

1035
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: like bloody game bags. Wet bloody game bags take on

1036
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: a smell that is like a not a good smell,

1037
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's a precursor to smells you don't want to smell.

1038
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: But it's not in and of itself a bad smell,

1039
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: but it's an indicator of bad things could happen soon smell.

1040
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: It's a little off putting. We were in the bad

1041
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: things could happen soon smell phase from having the meat

1042
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: not being able to dry out because of the rain. Yeah,

1043
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: everything's wet forty degrees like, and it was in a

1044
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: creek too, so nothing ever had a chance to dry out.

1045
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, everything's fine. It look good. They thought it

1046
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: looked good too. Yeah, we paid some boys to Uh,

1047
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: I like that dude's hat. Retired drug dealer. We paid

1048
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: some boys to you. Uh two. Process and freeze are

1049
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: our thing for us. But to get back to where

1050
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: I was caught some fish. Um, how did we know

1051
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: the bare fence was hot? Is there a test or something? Yeah,

1052
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: I hold the I touched the wire and then see

1053
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: what And then I gauge what kind of jolt it

1054
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: gives me and whether I'm not satisfied with the joelt,

1055
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: whether I feel that it would be a deterrent or not. Um,

1056
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: and I'll satisfy with that fence. Point being the point

1057
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: all this being, we don't strike off to the hanging tree.

1058
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: Did you hear that Bob muldsong hanging tree? Should I

1059
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: throw myself from the hanging tree? You don't know that one? Oh,

1060
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: that's a story we ought to tell sometime, that story

1061
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: about that dude. Did we ever tell this story? The

1062
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: guy the spurned lover? What's that bighorn sheep hunting area?

1063
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: That that dude, Tristan is the guy. Then his name

1064
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: wasn't Tristan, was it? No, it wasn't. He looked like Triston.

1065
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: It looks like a dude named Tristan ledgend of the

1066
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: fall of his name, wasn't Tristan? Long hair, leather, cowboy hat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1067
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: thank you. Remember the story he told us. Yeah, so

1068
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: he's the guy big Horn Sheep in BC. Yeah, in

1069
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: the McKenzie's. Yeah, but it had a name. It's like

1070
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: the blank. Yeah, what's a big horn area up there

1071
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: around me? Like rocky big horns? You know? Um the

1072
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: in BC or Alberta could be Alberta, the Alberta BC line. Uh,

1073
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: it's a W word white. No, I would think like

1074
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: there it was the Whitmore. I remember that because I

1075
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: was on that trip and there. Yeah, it's the area.

1076
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe the area called the Whitmore. Yeah. But anyways,

1077
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: you're south the Stone Sheep country, in Big Horn Sheep Country.

1078
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: I think the spine of that the end of that

1079
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: range is the BC Alberta line. Yanni to look it up.

1080
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: The whit More wind more willmore will more. So just

1081
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: a quick digrection. This is an interesting story. There's a

1082
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: guy that the outfitter he used to work for used

1083
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: to have a horse packer, and the horse packer was

1084
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: in camp with his girlfriend. Okay, and the horse packer

1085
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend getting a fight. He grabs a hunker rope,

1086
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: walks off, and a huff never to be seen again.

1087
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: It became like a mystery. Years later, someone is dicking

1088
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: around in that area and finds a skull and spinal

1089
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: column hanging from a rope. What did they obviously search

1090
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: for him, money, search for him when he huffed off,

1091
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: but could never find him, was assumed dead. Bad argument.

1092
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: Someone finds a skull and a chunk of spine hanging

1093
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: from a rope from a tree, and they excavate the

1094
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: ground beneath them, and they're able to match up his

1095
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: buckles from his boots and his rivets and stuff from

1096
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: his jeans with what he was wearing when he vanished.

1097
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: So anyhow, the next day we go back to find

1098
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: our way back. We wake up. It should be mentioned

1099
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: that the rest day was a glorious, glorious drying out

1100
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: close only day of the whole trip that was blue

1101
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: bird drying out close but the sun hooking fish like

1102
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 1: nobody's in the sky to actually ben always into rect son.

1103
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: I got a bass in it was warm enough, did

1104
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: you Yeah, dirt showered in the creek. Yeah, I didn't

1105
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: know that. Um, that was jealous, but yeah, the sun

1106
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: went from peak to peak on the same ridge. All right.

1107
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: So the next day we wake up right and early

1108
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: and strike off for the hanging tree. Um takes us.

1109
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: I think we had a better route. It took us

1110
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: four hours to get to the hanging tree. Now approaching

1111
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: the kill site. We the kill sites about a hundred

1112
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: yards up a small tributary from the main Stem Creek

1113
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: of the valley. We approached the kill site from across

1114
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: the main stem to get eye level with the carcass

1115
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: which is laying down in a tributary on the other

1116
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: side of the main Stem from us. And we're able

1117
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: to get a gander in there and see that at

1118
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: least the carcass has not been moved, right, And think

1119
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: of me, if a bear had claimed it quickly, he

1120
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: probably would have drug it off and buried it. It

1121
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: would look different. There's a bunch of magpies in there,

1122
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: and a lot of magpies making a lot of racket, right.

1123
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: That helps alert you know, predators to something going good

1124
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: going on, They feed off that information. But the carcass

1125
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: is there where we left it, seemingly undisturbed. But we

1126
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: still pick a route that goes clear of the carcass

1127
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: up towards the hanging tree. Now when we get up

1128
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: by the hanging tree, we do a number of things. Uh,

1129
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: we got pepper sprayed drawn, was your pistol drawn? Drawn?

1130
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 1: Pistols out, pepper spray out, making a lot of noise,

1131
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: yelling the whole way up. I was yelling to him,

1132
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: did I got some spice for that meat that he

1133
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: ain't gonna like? Because I had my pepper spray out?

1134
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna We told him too that it

1135
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: was if if he did like it, he was gonna

1136
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: be followed up with some lead chasers. So we're being

1137
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: very intimidating in hooting and holland and yelling. We have

1138
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: not seen anything. Now, we just evidence to think anything.

1139
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: And we glassed that hanging tree, or at least I

1140
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: glass that hanging tree. I glassed it until I could

1141
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: account for everything that was supposed to be in that

1142
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: hanging tree. So at that point we've done everything as

1143
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: good as we could do. Now there's some hindsight issues. No, no,

1144
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: okay from that point. The one mistake, I would say,

1145
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: but there wasn't an option. The one mistake is the

1146
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: hanging tree is surrounded by very thick brush. But there

1147
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: were no other There was no clear hanging tree. How

1148
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: big do you think, Like the diameter around the tree

1149
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: was clear, Yeah, like around like from the base of

1150
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: the tree to the like circle of brush. I would

1151
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: say it was from the tree. It was a radius

1152
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: of maybe fifteen feet basically the canopy of the tree.

1153
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: It was a heavy, thick enough tree. And elk must

1154
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: take aid under there when it's sunny, like it ever

1155
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: gets sunny, it must get because there was I noticed

1156
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: when we were in there in the dark, there's a

1157
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: lot of elk ship and bedding, betting depressions under that tree.

1158
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: So on a hot day they most like to get

1159
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: under their same way cattle will do and get on

1160
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: there and bed up in the shade of that tree.

1161
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: I noticed that. So in hindsight, it was a shitty

1162
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: hanging tree. But there wasn't like a good version, right correct,

1163
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: which is bad? It was a bad choice among bad choices. Yeah,

1164
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: you could only have the foresight having I think been

1165
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: there before to like, as you pull the trigger and

1166
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: you watch you all die in the daylight at that moment,

1167
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: to then do a three or sixty degree scan and

1168
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: make a way point on the best hanging tree. And

1169
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: we did. Me and Remy argued about the best hanging tree.

1170
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: But our argument wasn't based on clearing. Our argument was

1171
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: based on proximity. It was based done. I was going

1172
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: for a tree in an area that I knew sucked

1173
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: for travel, a side of the drainage that I knew

1174
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: was sucked for travel, but it was a known suck.

1175
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: Remy was saying, let's go across. It can't be worse

1176
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: because I've traveled, and he's like, it's there are parts

1177
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: that are better. And I said, because it's dark, because

1178
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: we're loaded out heavy, I think we should go for

1179
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: the known suck instead of that. In hindsight, that would

1180
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: have his tree would have been a better tree. But

1181
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: so you guys didn't really consider the whole like open

1182
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: we were not talking about visibility under the hanging tree,

1183
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: but either side it would have been the same visibility

1184
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: both all their hell holes of lots of goalies. So

1185
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: now here's where things, here's where mistakes start getting made.

1186
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,919
Speaker 1: I get up to the hanging tree and I noticed

1187
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: a smashed I noticed a smeared bear ship. And do

1188
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: you remember do they remember me getting down on my

1189
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: knees to examine that ship? Because I was I and

1190
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: my initial thought was did it look like a of

1191
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: ship that was smeared from a bear? A bear track

1192
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: smeared ship? And I got down to examine it, and

1193
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't remember that being there, but it

1194
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: was nighttime, but it was like nighttime and it looked

1195
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: like a boot. Then I was like, it must be

1196
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: a boot smeared it because it was all smeared out,

1197
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, we were stomping all around and

1198
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: here we must have smeared that bear ship. And it

1199
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: was a salmon fueled bear ship. It was like that

1200
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: gray mush ship from when they were feeding on salmon

1201
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: looked like and it was smashed. And I looked at

1202
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: that and was like, is that a boot or a

1203
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: bear track smeared that? And then I looked at the

1204
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: tree and a lot of the stuff was hung up

1205
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: with para cord and I looked in the tree. There's

1206
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: like no scratching on the tree, no sign of disturbance,

1207
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: and also if something was in there really like trying

1208
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: to climb that tree, I felt that he might have

1209
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: actually like busted some of the pieces of para cord

1210
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: in trying to like reach around and do all of

1211
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 1: his business up there. That I saw no other evidence

1212
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,839
Speaker 1: except that smeared chip. So then we make a giant

1213
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: mistake and decided to sit down and have some sandwiches.

1214
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: And we had a MSR stove with us at a pot,

1215
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: and I remember the pot got passed around and everybody

1216
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 1: was who wanted a quick uh Starbucks. Via was supposed

1217
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: to throw in a small amount of water into the pot.

1218
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: I dumped half my water bottle into the pot and

1219
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: there was like a little excavation dug out, and I

1220
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: was sitting by that excavation dug out, and there's six

1221
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: of was huddled on one side of the tree in

1222
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: a space seeing about like what we're in there during this,

1223
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: During this, packs came off. Packs came off in one area.

1224
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: Then I got up to grab the pot somebody had

1225
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: sat So now people are actually sitting by Paxson aren't there.

1226
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: So my pack is now a cross from us which

1227
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: has are my personal bear deterrent pistol and bear spray

1228
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: leaning against the hanging tree. Your pack is leaning against

1229
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: the hanging tree, because then you moved into mice. So

1230
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: we're kind of we did this weird shuffle where nobody

1231
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: was near their own pack the way that we sat,

1232
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: but still tight figured roughly like people in a living

1233
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: room around a coffee table, for instance. Yeah, maybe maybe

1234
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: even a tad tighter than that. I gotta say. Two,

1235
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: we were pretty whooped on the hike in, and that

1236
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: was a great spot, taken away any risk of bear

1237
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: perfect chill the sandwich. Yeah, it was like it was nice. Yeah,

1238
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: it was like walking into a bed. I have thought

1239
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: about lighting the fire for no reason, just because it

1240
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: was so nice under that tree. The first post hanging

1241
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: tree selection mistake that we made was that we got

1242
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: under the hanging tree and decided to linger unnecessarily long

1243
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: and let our guard down. Yes, what we did that

1244
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: caused us to linger unnecessarily long, let our guard down,

1245
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: and divorce us from our deterrens being pistols in spray

1246
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: was the idea that we would have some sandwiches and

1247
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: some coffee. So our desire to have sandwiches in an

1248
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: idyllic setting in the relief of having not had our

1249
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: kill site claimed by a bear, which the Alaska Department

1250
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: of Fishing Game says often happens on the first night.

1251
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: But we had allowed a night and a half to pass,

1252
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: and to be fair to us, how long was the

1253
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: hike into the hanging for? Yeah, so a four hour

1254
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: hike up and then down and through in one point

1255
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: five nights pass and one five nights passed. We got there.

1256
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: We were all pretty hungry, and it was like, thank God,

1257
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: a bear isn't here. Yeah, that's because based on my

1258
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: hasty bit of sign reading, backed up by Remy's hasty

1259
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: bit of sign who also said, it looks like a

1260
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: bear had been here. You said, it looks like I

1261
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: came up a little bit late. You must not have

1262
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: felt the same as me as we trampled it. But

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01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: I that's why I looked at you and said it like,

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Speaker 1: oh did you step? You know? Like was this? I

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: got down on my knees to examine, but I wasn't

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Speaker 1: there for that, and I did a faulty read on that.

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm taking full blame unsigned reading faultiness. I saw what

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01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to see, not what was there right. Second

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01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: mistake was I and others did not say let's get

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Speaker 1: while the getting is good. Not that that would have

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01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have mattered, wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter because

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: it could have been Now now we could look and

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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: be like it couldn't have been any better. Every option

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01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: from here on out is like it could have been worse.

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: There's no way it could have been better because of

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01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna explained happened because our our act of

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: eating sandwiches just the only the mistake of the eating

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: the sandwiches was us letting our guard down. But when

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: we got to the tree, our guard would have been

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: down regardless our packs would have been off. We would

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01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: have been disarray packing at meat. There's just maybe potentially

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01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: more distracted by climbing and lowering stuff down, spread out

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01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: in filming. Instead we were clustered. A break. So I

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01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: get my sandwich. Pat makes me a sandwich. It's just

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01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: I had come off the heels of having had a

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01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: bad sandwich. Not just me though, this was Garrett and

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01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: Chris helped out with the sand So Pat had made

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: me a really bad sandwich couple of days before, and

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01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: I was saying to him dry, very dry sandwich. And

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01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: I was I reprimanded him and and and told him

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: as much, and told him that when I send the

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: pros and cons, this is going down as a bad sandwich.

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01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 1: He sent, he hands over a spectacular sandwich. Sandwich, sandwich,

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 1: heavily great sandwich. Did you have the the did you

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01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: have the stove fired up stove this whole time? And

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: I was eating my sandwich, and some folks were coming,

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: and then why was my sandwich so nice? Looking at

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01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: the sandwich, I noticed him actually looking at your sandwich.

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01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been looking at that stamp sandwich too,

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: looking at his sandwich, looking at my sandwich, and looking

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01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: at the meat that was still in the bag, thinking

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: you know this is And I was just opening my

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: mouth and beginning to form a sentence to the effect

1304
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: of kiss my ass on the sandwich is because you

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01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: didn't see my sandwich last time I had a sandwich,

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01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: When all of a sudden, there was like, well, Pat, yeah,

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01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: well stop, sorry, all right. I know not that I

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01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: won't be interrupted. I'm like, like you act like that.

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01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm not going through this in a way

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01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. I think that there is

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01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: tension in the room. I'm looking around and I'm seeing

1312
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: what I believe to be sweaty palms and people gripping

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: their shirt tails. You know, I feel like, you know

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I want to have someone No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: do this, but I have a slight feeling of wanting

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: to have someone else run point on explaining how this went.

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01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna recommend that you tell the whole

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01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: story from beginning to end. That's not how I'm going

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01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: to do without anyone else. That's what I'm going to do,

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01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: adding in and then we can this is all thought

1322
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: out how how I feel that this should be approached

1323
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: Unless someone else has really sat down and thought it out.

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: I'm blocking it, reliving the experience, not thinking about how

1325
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: to tell people. I mean, has there We've taken people

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01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: from the place to see epic up into the sandwich making. Yeah,

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01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: like I feel like like I don't know that big

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: mistakes have been made. Man, keep it going great? Uh?

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01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: I register and explosion of holy shitness not over to

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: Pat because Pat is the first person. Pat, what was

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01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: the first thing amid the sandwich making. What was the

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01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: first thing that happened. So I'm listening to everybody you know,

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: praised me for the sandwiches and criticizing sandwiches and uh,

1334
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here enjoying my own pistronomy sandwich and

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01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: thinking how how wonderful that pistronomy tastes in my mouth.

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01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: And I hear off to my right some panting, some deep,

1337
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, guttural breathing. Can you can you mimeric it? Uh?

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01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 1: It sounded a lot like a dog panting at first,

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01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: like from far away, like and just kept getting a

1340
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 1: little louder, little little uh deeper and scarier sounding. Sounded

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01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: angry too, And at first it seemed fake because I

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: was like, no, no way this is happening. There's no

1343
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: way when a bear attacks you, he actually makes such

1344
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: a nasty well and there's there's no way like a

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01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: bear is actually gonna like run up in attacks right now.

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: That's just that's just crazy. We're only sitting under three.

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01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna happen, but you never expect that

1348
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: to actually happen to you. And uh, and I mean

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: it was something I was like prepared for on this

1350
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: trip you know, we knew there was gonna be big

1351
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: bears out there. We knew there's potential, but you never

1352
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: actually expect to be like straight up attacked by a

1353
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: brown bear. And so I'm sitting there, I hear these

1354
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: noises and it just like it's like, okay, this's happening.

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01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: I think I was the first person to say something like,

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01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's that noise? And then all of

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: a sudden, within two s aggins, there's a bear on

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01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: top of us. All right, man, I hate to do

1359
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: this to you. I know that you are on the

1360
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: edge of your seat waiting to hear what happens when

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01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 1: the brown bear that we've been alluding to enters this story.

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01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: It is worth your weight. It's what I'm doing to

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01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: you right now is awful. It's terrible. If a man

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01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: did this to me, I would punch them, But I'm

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01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: doing it to you. You're gonna have to tune in

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Speaker 1: next week on the Meat Either podcast to hear the

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01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: final culmination the resolution of the Fognac Island brown bear

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01:24:48,200 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: attack charge mayhem story. Are now smart like with a

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01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: little bit of with a little bit of painting, and

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01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: then sometimes not this time, and sometimes you also get

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01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: this little treat right. We didn't get that this time.

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Speaker 1: Tune in next week.