Speaker 1: Now, the Shotgun Starting Golf is full of mathematics. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of setup work that we have to do
Speaker 1: in order to make a tournament work. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to demonstrate to you just exactly how we do a
Speaker 1: shotgun start here and.
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Speaker 4: Greetings, are welcome to a Friday edition of The Shotgun Start.
Speaker 4: It is May fifteenth, Andy, how we do it?
Speaker 2: Brendan, I'm doing fantastic. I gotta say, what a good
Speaker 2: day golf. Just lots of stuff percolating out.
Speaker 4: There, percolating to good word, it feels like could boil over,
Speaker 4: could bubble up, could be you know, everybody might turn
Speaker 4: to you know, the entire golf world, might turn the
Speaker 4: guns on each other. Circular firing squad, debating course set up,
Speaker 4: proper tests, fair, unfair data. We're on a razor's edge
Speaker 4: right now, just data, data, gambling analysis, uh touts just
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, Andy, at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, it's just golf. It's just a golf course.
Speaker 4: I think we try to have fun with this, we
Speaker 4: try to call balls and strikes, but at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it's just a golf course. We try
Speaker 4: to say what we think is interesting, fun and proper
Speaker 4: and good for consumers, good for listeners, and you know,
Speaker 4: as a product. And but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: it is just a golf course. But I think it's
Speaker 4: been great, good fun day, good good first fun two days.
Speaker 2: I mean pretty uh. I think it's just a fast
Speaker 2: dating weeks so far. I think the obviously the course
Speaker 2: is kind of front and center, really way more difficult
Speaker 2: than they than everybody thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Correct hand up, I you know, I predicted ten to
Speaker 2: fourteen on Tuesday night under to win. Still got shot
Speaker 2: at that, but like you know, it's definitely skewed on
Speaker 2: the harder side of what everybody predicted. And I think,
Speaker 2: like you look at it, and what's happening is that
Speaker 2: there's there's real punishment for the the PG eight Tour
Speaker 2: Bible gospel which has become aim away from the flag.
Speaker 2: Hit it to the middle of the green and you'll
Speaker 2: be fine. You'll just you're gonna cash in putts left
Speaker 2: and right if you just hit it to the middle
Speaker 2: of the green. This is the gospel of how to
Speaker 2: play golf in the modern era and Aronomk is proving
Speaker 2: if you hit it in the middle of the green
Speaker 2: you might three put a decent amount, and that seems
Speaker 2: to be bothering people.
Speaker 4: Or if you miss your spot to the middle of
Speaker 4: the green slightly, that the penalty may be severe.
Speaker 2: You may be running off yonder. And I think, like
Speaker 2: you know, people are always in listen like the leader
Speaker 2: of wards bunches crap obviously very con run through it.
Speaker 2: Alex smalley and Matt mcdealey scintillating Saturday final pairing that
Speaker 2: everybody was hoping for. Then it lead the way at
Speaker 2: four under par. But then you've got, effectively you got
Speaker 2: twenty eight guys that are even or better. So twenty
Speaker 2: eight players within four shots. And if you go a
Speaker 2: little bit further, if you wanted to say stretch of
Speaker 2: a Maga imagination, I'd say that you know, if you're
Speaker 2: plus two or better, you have a chance, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to play outstanding golf all weekend, but you
Speaker 2: have a chance. You're six within six of the lead
Speaker 2: you got. You got fifty eight players within six shots
Speaker 2: of the elite. And there's a lot of ways you
Speaker 2: could talk about, like how do we get here, how
Speaker 2: do we get to a place like it. And it's
Speaker 2: a great question who's playing the best right now? And
Speaker 2: I don't really know, but I think the set up
Speaker 2: is gonna I think the weekend is gonna yield lower scores.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get hot, the ball is gonna go further,
Speaker 2: and the wind's gonna die down. It's been cold and windy,
Speaker 2: and I think, like what you're seeing his people like,
Speaker 2: you know, you build, you play major championship golf. You
Speaker 2: know your job is to build the house. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people are playing in a way to build
Speaker 2: lay down that foundation, not screw it up and get
Speaker 2: get to the weekend with a shot. And now we
Speaker 2: got you know, forty some people with a shot, forty
Speaker 2: four people want one plus one or better. Who I
Speaker 2: would say, enter the weekend with a real shot and
Speaker 2: we'll see if somebody kind of deviates or just plays
Speaker 2: off the charts and uh and separate.
Speaker 4: So I think that the critique is that it's been
Speaker 4: set up to hard in a way that has produced
Speaker 4: boring golf. I have not personally found it boring. I
Speaker 4: know there's some data underlying data that Joseph was you know,
Speaker 4: we talked about midday where it's maybe not skill as
Speaker 4: defined by data to be clear, as defined by the
Speaker 4: model the data modeling is maybe not being rewarded or
Speaker 4: maybe not being discerned in a way that's remarkably different
Speaker 4: from a.
Speaker 2: Regular PGA tour event.
Speaker 4: What I have found refreshing, And you know, I watched
Speaker 4: I think it was Xander on Mondays, like we haven't
Speaker 4: seen greens like this. We just never do. We never do,
Speaker 4: and so you already know you're in for something a
Speaker 4: little different. And so I guess like, if you're upset
Speaker 4: that the pins have made it to like hit it
Speaker 4: to the middle, then try it to put what's ranch
Speaker 4: next week or what you know, have asked Gary Young
Speaker 4: and everybody to come in and set.
Speaker 2: It up for the weekend.
Speaker 3: Do that.
Speaker 4: You can do that. But variety is a spice of life,
Speaker 4: and what we have right now is something we just
Speaker 4: don't get that often. And you know, I think like
Speaker 4: the judgment that you know, you people like pot Geeter
Speaker 4: and minwou Lee would suggest you can kind of drive
Speaker 4: it all over the place and get away with it.
Speaker 2: You're seeing that's disrespectful to potty. He almost had a
Speaker 2: clean toilet at the end of the round.
Speaker 4: So it's not like, you know, pure tea degreen. I
Speaker 4: just think it's okay to have some variety where a PGA,
Speaker 4: you know, would you say PGA and Valhalla better rewarded
Speaker 4: the best tea degreen guy. It might have based on
Speaker 4: the data sets, but you.
Speaker 2: Got to remember everybody operates like a model as gospel,
Speaker 2: and the people that right this model will be the
Speaker 2: first first to admit, like it's it is our interpret
Speaker 2: Like we put a lot of interpretation into a model.
Speaker 4: So like hand up, I I like took in the
Speaker 4: the sort of the insight of a lot of players
Speaker 4: and coaches and things like that who said they were
Speaker 4: thought that you would just tear it up right, and
Speaker 4: we've just we didn't anticipate it being this hard and
Speaker 4: and but I also like we were pretty clear, like
Speaker 4: it's pretty there's a lot of mystery, Like it could
Speaker 4: be challenging even if there are a lot of more
Speaker 4: wedges and shorter irons into greens. I don't think what
Speaker 4: I anticipated was the first two days the setup being
Speaker 4: this challenging. Usually you get you you get progressively harder,
Speaker 4: or you just have to take into the consideration that
Speaker 4: you have one hundred and fifty six players to get through,
Speaker 4: but they Carrie Haig just went right to the you know,
Speaker 4: the immediately to the woodshed with pins on Thursday. Pins today,
Speaker 4: I don't think I've heard players say they're like unfair
Speaker 4: or outrageous, or they've said they're pretty much the hardest
Speaker 4: they've ever had. But again, that's against the baseline of
Speaker 4: this sort of modern tour and quite frankly more benign
Speaker 4: US Open era. And so nobody's saying it's it's it's
Speaker 4: goofy golf though this is just frankly something they don't
Speaker 4: see on tour.
Speaker 2: Tom Doak built a golf course at Memorial Park and
Speaker 2: he had to, you know, when he build a golf course,
Speaker 2: like for the Tour, for a tour event, you have
Speaker 2: to work with their design team. The tour design team
Speaker 2: said that they need to have pretty big areas with
Speaker 2: no greater than one point seventy five percent slope in
Speaker 2: those areas. So this is what the tour is saying
Speaker 2: they want for setup. They want big areas with very
Speaker 2: little slope and that's your your kind of like their
Speaker 2: dream setup scenario week in week out. Ironom Make is
Speaker 2: the complete opposite it is large swaths of the green
Speaker 2: with unpittable slope because it's so severe, and then these
Speaker 2: little pockets where you can place flags all over the place,
Speaker 2: and the dynamic the difference is is like on tour
Speaker 2: week in week out, you know, and I saw the
Speaker 2: Jamie Kennedy compared three putts to Augusta National, and I
Speaker 2: would say Augusta National is not like your tour set
Speaker 2: up week in week out, but it's easier to visualize.
Speaker 2: If you hit the ball within that kind of relatively
Speaker 2: small pocket at Augusta National, you are rewarded with a
Speaker 2: very good look at Bertie. If you miss it, it's
Speaker 2: a hard to putt. The difference between Augusta National and
Speaker 2: Irono Make is that those little pockets, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: are shrunk down, and with the way the PGA kind
Speaker 2: of came out with the daggers out, we haven't seen
Speaker 2: it in some of their bigger pockets. It's been in
Speaker 2: the small US pockets. And that's why you're seeing all
Speaker 2: these three putts is because of the insane slope where
Speaker 2: you would like where at most golf courses a really
Speaker 2: good shot would be. So the the big big thing
Speaker 2: here is like I think in general, I would say
Speaker 2: modern golf architecture has and set up has always kind
Speaker 2: of undervalued just what big tilt does in greens, when
Speaker 2: when a green is just set with this and you
Speaker 2: build from that and you create from that. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the the story of this week is that
Speaker 2: when you're on the wrong side of gravity and it's
Speaker 2: firm and fast, you're you're in a bad spot.
Speaker 4: Brother, and it's so you think the scores might get
Speaker 4: a little easier on the weekend because it's gonna get hot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the one thing. Like obviously when we're talking Tuesday,
Speaker 4: you know, there was this notion Wednesday walking around there
Speaker 4: and it was so windy, Like why are guys even practicing?
Speaker 4: This isn't what they're gonna face, Like, this is just
Speaker 4: pointles because it was just constant. It wasn't even gusting,
Speaker 4: it was just constant, like twenty five thirty, Like, why
Speaker 4: even practicing this? Then it turns out that is a
Speaker 4: lot of the first two rounds. I don't think people
Speaker 4: anticipated that win and it made it really challenging. So
Speaker 4: that will lie down It seems like we didn't expect
Speaker 4: it though, and but it does seem like that's supposed
Speaker 4: to lie down. Have they used all the hard pins already?
Speaker 4: Probably not.
Speaker 2: There's enough, there's plenty of them to go around a
Speaker 2: lot of tough so I think they just keep it going.
Speaker 2: This is my thing, Like would this be good every week? No?
Speaker 4: If it's just like you know, this test would not
Speaker 4: be you know, variety is what we're looking for here.
Speaker 4: And if you want the PGA to be the same
Speaker 4: every year, like it has to be the guy who
Speaker 4: strokes gained, you know, he has to be top five
Speaker 4: strokes gained Tita Green, then that's stupid. Just hold the
Speaker 4: PGA in the SOFI dome under the same conditions every
Speaker 4: year and just read the read the data sheet when
Speaker 4: it's over. Don't even watch, just read the leaderboard when
Speaker 4: it's over.
Speaker 2: The other thing that could never happen is they have
Speaker 2: to be within x shots of the lead or else
Speaker 2: they should just quit and stop playing. You know, these
Speaker 2: are all the rules of data and we must abide
Speaker 2: by them. Maybe we need maybe you know, we got
Speaker 2: the fair police out there for of course set up.
Speaker 2: I liked Will Knights had a comment in our slack
Speaker 2: that you know you've put dropped in a question that
Speaker 2: that scott Somebody asked Scotty about did you have anything
Speaker 2: unfair happened to you? Said? Well, I said, that's like
Speaker 2: just just sticking the speedomena or the radar gun right
Speaker 2: in his face, trying to catch him speeding.
Speaker 4: Uh, let me read that. Did anything unfair happen to
Speaker 4: you out there?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 4: Like Andy, I think we're over indexing on the pine
Speaker 4: hers stuff from two years ago. I think, Scottie, maybe
Speaker 4: I know we've got to cart he's the sheriff. Now
Speaker 4: you can't come back. Did anything unfair happen to you
Speaker 4: out there? Scheffler? I mean not unfair? I mean I
Speaker 4: think the only time our game where it's unfair is
Speaker 4: like if you get winds starting to blow the ball
Speaker 4: off the greens. I just feel like he's cast a
Speaker 4: wider net on what unfair is before though, right, I
Speaker 4: mean enough town, Yeah, tough town.
Speaker 2: You know, bud balls he sees.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's been just when the wind's blowing
Speaker 4: the ball at the green. But I digress. This is
Speaker 4: his answer. Now, I hadn't seen that yet. It looks
Speaker 4: like I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 2: This week. It looks like the wind's going to die
Speaker 2: down and this week goes on. I don't think we'll
Speaker 2: see that this week.
Speaker 4: It's funny sometimes I feel like that they are a
Speaker 4: game right now, which I do enjoy. I love hard
Speaker 4: tested golf, but it's also the hardest game in the world,
Speaker 4: and we're trying to make it harder and there's different
Speaker 4: ways you can do that. You can do that on
Speaker 4: a golf course like this, I truly believe they can
Speaker 4: have the winning score of you whatever they want it
Speaker 4: to be. It could be over par if they want
Speaker 4: it to be, just based purely upon pin locations. Is
Speaker 4: that the best test? Who knows? It's a different test.
Speaker 4: So speaking to this variety.
Speaker 2: Point, great take right there, different test, it's.
Speaker 4: A different test. I think that's what's great about our
Speaker 4: game is very rarely do we play the same golf course,
Speaker 4: and even when you do it a place like Augusta,
Speaker 4: it's different each and every year. So conditions are always changing,
Speaker 4: the golf course is always changing. I think it's the
Speaker 4: hardest game in the world and still just trying to
Speaker 4: solve a bit of a puzzle. Really a great answer
Speaker 4: from the sheriff. I wonder if he's you know, is
Speaker 4: he trying to turn in his badge here. It's a
Speaker 4: really interesting perspective about it. It's the best I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's different, and that's what's great is how it can
Speaker 4: change from year to year, week to week.
Speaker 2: He just wants to move into different Uh, he wants
Speaker 2: to move into the into the DA's office.
Speaker 4: I will say somebody had just somebody was I don't
Speaker 4: know if there was a recruiter out there trying to
Speaker 4: get people in, but someone asked, uh, got her up?
Speaker 4: Who by the way, sixty five five under sixty five?
Speaker 4: It wasn't like everybody was just three two putting for
Speaker 4: par middle of green two punning like sixty five was
Speaker 4: out there. I think the probably early late wave will
Speaker 4: be kicking themselves. And you said it yesterday, like I
Speaker 4: on the lunch the midday check in, You're like, these
Speaker 4: guys kind of kicked it away the early wave yesterday,
Speaker 4: and then they certainly got a bit more more benign
Speaker 4: set of uh set of wind today and.
Speaker 2: They all kicked it away.
Speaker 3: They booted it.
Speaker 4: No one really went and got it, but uh, someone
Speaker 4: did ask got her up? If anything was unfair. There
Speaker 4: was definitely a police recruiter out there just trying to
Speaker 4: get new uh new trips. He goes, how do I
Speaker 4: He looked at himself, He looked up and down. He's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. He goes, I'm trying to answer this properly.
Speaker 4: He's like, I can't say it's unfair. So he pleased
Speaker 4: the fifth. This is the storyline nobody's talking about. He
Speaker 4: didn't want to incriminate himself. He wasn't going to turn
Speaker 4: state's witness and be a testify on on behalf of
Speaker 4: the police and the prosecution. So I'm going to try
Speaker 4: and answer this properly. I don't think it's unfair, but
Speaker 4: I do think for paces of playing certain aspects, there
Speaker 4: have been a couple. You know, fourteen is the pin
Speaker 4: is aggressive. You're hitting four iron to a ten foot circle.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't go there, it's off the green. And
Speaker 4: we saw that frequently.
Speaker 2: Just Rory shot like a towering of an iron.
Speaker 4: You can just boom out of here, no chance.
Speaker 2: The thing about games of strategy, you know, golf is
Speaker 2: a game of strategy. Sometimes the right play is fifteen
Speaker 2: feet left, like in that case, on that whole it
Speaker 2: was just play fifteen feet left, take your par and
Speaker 2: walk away. What's kind of interesting about this week is
Speaker 2: that if you go to another hole fifteen feet left
Speaker 2: could be death, and I would just you know, I
Speaker 2: would point out that never ever have have players spent
Speaker 2: less time preparing for major championships on the golf course.
Speaker 4: Ever, because of how the schedule's compressed, well.
Speaker 2: Just the way they go. They'll play nine holes a
Speaker 2: day and they you know, these players spend so little
Speaker 2: time on the actual golf course and what they rely
Speaker 2: on is people to tell them how to play the
Speaker 2: golf course and how to play golf. And the reality
Speaker 2: is is that of all the greens in the world,
Speaker 2: Irana Mak would rank in the top five to ten
Speaker 2: of sets of greens that you'd want to spend the
Speaker 2: most time you possibly could figuring it out and figuring
Speaker 2: out how where the miss is, where the spot to
Speaker 2: hit it is. And it's not as prescriptive as just
Speaker 2: to hit it fifteen feet left or right, you know,
Speaker 2: and you shade it one way or the other base
Speaker 2: off of how far away you are. There are a
Speaker 2: plus places the misshots into and an absolute disasters. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what we've seen out seen play out
Speaker 2: and I think There's an element of this is that
Speaker 2: these as somebody's going to figure out the golf course
Speaker 2: over the weekend, and they they're gonna that figuring out
Speaker 2: the golf course is going to match up with supreme
Speaker 2: shot making, and we're going to see a couple of
Speaker 2: people get out in front at the on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I think you started to see it a little bit
Speaker 4: with Cameron and Chris got her up. I think that's
Speaker 4: going to happen. I'm not ready to look it's not
Speaker 4: bombing Gouge. I think that was like the prevailing notion
Speaker 4: it's gonna be bombing Gouge. It's going to be very
Speaker 4: similar to Wayne Foot twenty twenty. I don't think that's
Speaker 4: the case. I also don't think you like you clearly
Speaker 4: don't have to hit every fairway. You don't have to
Speaker 4: be the most accurate driver. Patrick Reed is not a
Speaker 4: particularly good driver.
Speaker 2: He's done well.
Speaker 4: Stephen Yaeger on like on the record, second man, I'm
Speaker 4: never gonna be a guy. It's a lot of fairways.
Speaker 4: He's doing well. There isn't ability to Speaking.
Speaker 2: Of Steven Yeger, we got to another storyline that nobody's
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to more than the ten day.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Perfect game Jaeger gets his spot start
Speaker 2: and throws the perfect game of eighteenth straight parts and that.
Speaker 4: Was amazing because it's great to be pokey free. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: I also didn't have any birdies, so I you know,
Speaker 4: min Wu potties, I mean potty is kind of shipping
Speaker 4: it all over the place and getting away with it.
Speaker 4: So that doesn't mean it's Bob and gouage, but you
Speaker 4: also don't there there It depends. There's a penalty for
Speaker 4: missing the fairway. Some of these fairways pitch and they're
Speaker 4: much more effectively smaller than they seem. The word generous
Speaker 4: was like the word du jour at the start of
Speaker 4: the week. I don't think that would be said anymore.
Speaker 4: But you can get away with miss.
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of things here and this
Speaker 2: is where it's it's not everybody wants black and white,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of douance to everything. And like
Speaker 2: the way this golf, the golf is being played out
Speaker 2: in my eyes, is there's enough space to hit a
Speaker 2: lot of fairways, and if you hit a lot of fairaways,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna play pretty well. We saw that with
Speaker 2: Scottie round round one versus round two, Like the difference was,
Speaker 2: you know, Rory round one versus round two, he had
Speaker 2: a lot more fairways, you know, he had a lot
Speaker 2: more generally, a lot more looks at Bertie. So anyways,
Speaker 2: there's enough space to hit fairways and consistently hit fairways,
Speaker 2: which is great. The rough is thick, it can be unpredictable.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can get good lives, sometimes awful lies. It's firm,
Speaker 2: so it's going to lead to a lot of outcomes.
Speaker 2: But I think the key here is like if this
Speaker 2: golf course was two hundred yards longer, I think this
Speaker 2: leaderboard would look way different and it would be more
Speaker 2: accustomed to what people you know, quote unquote want or
Speaker 2: what they want their model, how their models would have worked,
Speaker 2: you know better. But because it's shorter, it's on the
Speaker 2: shorter end that distance is not as much of a
Speaker 2: prerequisite because yeah, sure Potty can blast it up there
Speaker 2: and get a flip ledge in his hand. But you know,
Speaker 2: a guy like Maverick McNeely still, you know, and he's
Speaker 2: gotten on the longer end of things, But that guy
Speaker 2: Maverick McNeely can still have a wedge. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not like he's hitting a demonstratively longer club, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the best driver in the top ten is David Pooge.
Speaker 4: Everybody else is sort of like okay to average. It's
Speaker 4: there is a way to score and get around here.
Speaker 4: Do you have a newfound respect for Carrie Haig? I
Speaker 4: don't think. I want to say. We sort of said, look,
Speaker 4: there's two signs of thinking and and some people told
Speaker 4: me on Tuesday he kind of whoss out and he
Speaker 4: just doesn't go hard enough. Others say he sets up
Speaker 4: the perfect major because it's just let's the it's what
Speaker 4: the conditions in course that week are. We were sort
Speaker 4: of like, he's just he's he's chewing on your wallet,
Speaker 4: he's milk toasted, and he body bagged me. I tried
Speaker 4: to get him to talk. He goes some Some courses
Speaker 4: have trees, some courses have fewer.
Speaker 2: Trees, and he just went there. And that that he
Speaker 2: doesn't give you anything. He's not going to pop off
Speaker 2: the page personality wise. Do you have a newfound respect?
Speaker 2: Were there any that that he just went right to it? Well,
Speaker 2: I say I didn't. I didn't know he had this
Speaker 2: much range. I didn't know he was ready to do
Speaker 2: what he's done the last last two days. And I'd
Speaker 2: like to point out, I think you could make this
Speaker 2: golf course way harder with whole locations. Like everybody's like,
Speaker 2: you couldn't make that. You know, they're they're picking the heart.
Speaker 2: I think I think you're just at the tip of
Speaker 2: the iceberg with what you could do with these greens
Speaker 2: and these the whole locations you could pick out. But
Speaker 2: I do think this is kind of following the Carrie
Speaker 2: Haig playbook, which is like Carrie Hag and the PGA.
Speaker 2: They're known for fun finishes, bunch leader boards, and I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the you know, hallmarks and wasn't
Speaker 2: like I I've complained about it in past. I've complained
Speaker 2: about you know, val you know, like they kind of
Speaker 2: just keep people close. But I think that might be
Speaker 2: just kind of the way he likes to set up
Speaker 2: golf courses, keep people in and we're gonna have we're
Speaker 2: gonna have the most exciting finish of any major every year,
Speaker 2: or set us up to get one of the most
Speaker 2: exciting finishes. You think through the recent ones, I mean
Speaker 2: they're all pretty close usually, you know, last year was
Speaker 2: like the only one that wasn't super close.
Speaker 4: It was Scotty doing Scotty things, but it was close
Speaker 4: there for about you know, twelve thirteen holes on Sunday,
Speaker 4: were there any pins and look, fourteen was really under
Speaker 4: the microscope. Six seemed to have Fitzy, Rosy and Scheffler
Speaker 4: like muttering to themselves as they walked off. Eight got
Speaker 4: a little intrigue for eleven. Eleven was getting sort of
Speaker 4: under the mic But like JT talked about it, He's like, look,
Speaker 4: you have a wedge in your hands, like right, and
Speaker 4: so you can make a five with the sandwich in
Speaker 4: your sand wedge in your hand. But you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's really borderal. It's really hard. It's really freaking hard.
Speaker 4: But you also are coming in with a wedge. It's
Speaker 4: not hard to hit it to twenty feet with jat,
Speaker 4: but it's really really hard to hit it close. And
Speaker 4: that's example. You have a great number of full wedge.
Speaker 4: You can spin it and hit it close, but you
Speaker 4: don't want to try to do too much. I did
Speaker 4: that this morning. When knocks it down on the air,
Speaker 4: it doesn't even come close. I'm grinding to make five.
Speaker 4: It just speaks volumes to how this course can be
Speaker 4: throughout the day. Scotty on fourteen, that part was a
Speaker 4: extremely good. That was one of the craziest pins that
Speaker 4: I've seen.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: He talked to h Foos and ted He said, this
Speaker 4: is Scotty, this is the hardest set of pen locations
Speaker 4: I've seen since I've been on tour. Includes us opens,
Speaker 4: includes Oakmont, as Foos as Teddy. If they said anything
Speaker 4: like this before, said maybe Shinnacock. Well, I got good
Speaker 4: news for everybody in the field. Shinnacock soon comes. He
Speaker 4: learned to be doing this again. Discourse. Hey, maybe Carrie
Speaker 4: Haik has given the USGA John Bohenhemer a little bit
Speaker 4: of cover to turn the dial up a little bit
Speaker 4: even more like let the boys. The boys have been
Speaker 4: boys have been blooded. You know they they've run their
Speaker 4: race now and they're ready for a more strenuous race
Speaker 4: in four weeks.
Speaker 2: I did a podcast a couple of weeks ago on
Speaker 2: Frida Egg with Scott McPherson. One of the more interesting
Speaker 2: things as it pertained, it was about the old course.
Speaker 2: He's a great historian, wrote a book about how the
Speaker 2: old courses evolved, and he's done some you know, some
Speaker 2: of the book is about the championships at the Old Course.
Speaker 2: One of the things he talked about is that as
Speaker 2: technology has advanced, the number one thing that how the
Speaker 2: Old Course has changed outside of like your new te
Speaker 2: markers is whole locations. The whole locations have gotten de
Speaker 2: monstraly more tucked over the years. Where I think the
Speaker 2: example and I can't remember the exact paces, but the
Speaker 2: example he used is the first hole at the old Course,
Speaker 2: which everyone knows is the par four, and then you
Speaker 2: hit over the berm. A front pin used to be
Speaker 2: something like fifteen or sixteen paces on the green. That
Speaker 2: was like a tucked front pin. Now you see it
Speaker 2: and they have a front pin and its six paces
Speaker 2: over the berm, you know, so six paces on. So
Speaker 2: like the idea of like how do you how do
Speaker 2: you combat technology? And you think about aroundomy a place
Speaker 2: where as JT said, like, yeah, we have wedges in
Speaker 2: our hand. The pins are hard, but we have wedges
Speaker 2: in our hand, is like how do you how do
Speaker 2: you how do you combat it? How do you make
Speaker 2: a golf tournament not you know, a birdie fest? And
Speaker 2: I think, like this is just a general rule that
Speaker 2: I believe in the more and I and I think
Speaker 2: like they definitely went out and said, hey, we want
Speaker 2: we want scores to not be crazy, along with getting
Speaker 2: a really nice weather for scoring to not be crazy.
Speaker 2: The two things I think are both true. But one
Speaker 2: of the things that does happen. I believe is that
Speaker 2: when you try to curb scoring, you also curb variants
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I think that's what's happening this week.
Speaker 4: There's a that's and that's where you're seeing so many
Speaker 4: people condensed. Uh yeah, you know leaders to four under
Speaker 4: three under Yeah, yesterday, certainly one hundred, twenty guys one
Speaker 4: hundred or not. There were ninety two guys within five
Speaker 4: shots of elite. That was for sure, that was the number.
Speaker 2: And if you want to curb scoring on a design side,
Speaker 2: and this is this plays perfectly into the early discourse
Speaker 2: of this week, like the number one thing you can
Speaker 2: do if you're if you're worried about score to part Oh,
Speaker 2: we'll just plant trees everywhere. But what you're also doing
Speaker 2: is limiting outcomes, which is limiting variants. So we're just
Speaker 2: defining it too much by the leaderboard number. That's everything.
Speaker 2: How we've come to.
Speaker 4: The data models that suggest this is skill or not skill,
Speaker 4: the leaderboard number that suggests this is a good test
Speaker 4: or not, the gambling prognostications either being born out or well,
Speaker 4: we know this guy is one of the great tee
Speaker 4: to green players and the other guy, and these guys
Speaker 4: aren't playing well here, and therefore something must be off.
Speaker 4: Like we're just defining it way by. I think all
Speaker 4: those things are incredibly additive and and have unlocked so
Speaker 4: many different insights. But it feels like that's how we've
Speaker 4: purely come to define the golf course. And and you know,
Speaker 4: I just that's what I'm like, That's what I'm loving about.
Speaker 4: This is just it just is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a different uh, a different I don't want to say
Speaker 4: eye tests. It's just a different, uh viewing experience. And
Speaker 4: I was worried it wasn't gonna be I was worried
Speaker 4: it was just gonna be send it as far up
Speaker 4: as you can and hit wedges on. But it became
Speaker 4: clear over the course of Tuesday and Wednesday that it
Speaker 4: wasn't quite there yet. It wasn't gonna be that and
Speaker 4: and and credit to the PGA, credit to the ground staff,
Speaker 4: it's it's really been awesome to watch I Now I
Speaker 4: can't understand the people who were saying this is gonna
Speaker 4: be a just a birdie fest now Mad. Now they've
Speaker 4: like gone to the other side.
Speaker 2: Now Mad.
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of the same people that this
Speaker 4: is boring because guys are just trying.
Speaker 2: To Can I can I just say something about online discourse. Sure,
Speaker 2: the more present you are and take this however you
Speaker 2: want online during major championship golf, and the more present
Speaker 2: you are with the with your own you know, tweets
Speaker 2: trying to point something out. Do you know what the
Speaker 2: less present you are what what aspect of the golf
Speaker 2: you're less president, the actual screen, the views, actually watching
Speaker 2: the shots, informing your own opinion. Yeah, yeah, it's you know.
Speaker 4: I saw a tweet late last night from Andy Lack,
Speaker 4: who I know Joseph deals with talks a lot and
Speaker 4: smart like data guy. Say Joseph deals with him or
Speaker 4: Andy whatever you ad vice versa whatever. They talk their buddies.
Speaker 4: I know, I've I've dealt with them too. He's a
Speaker 4: smart guy. I like him. But but a guy who's
Speaker 4: probably more data uh driven, I would imagine, I don't
Speaker 4: know like, I don't follow that, he says. Irono Mank
Speaker 4: is not a course that's going to produce massive numbers
Speaker 4: compared to other PGA venues. But given the strength and
Speaker 4: size of the Greens, they ability to keep doing this,
Speaker 4: keep challenging the players. The pins today are from an
Speaker 4: organization that felt like they had something to prove. It
Speaker 4: will be very interesting to see where they take this championship.
Speaker 4: Because everyone knows the Greens are everything on this course.
Speaker 4: They can create scoring variants with funnel pins. Maybe we
Speaker 4: see more of a push or pull of the scoring
Speaker 4: pins going forward. But despite the lack of scoring variants,
Speaker 4: that condensing you can enjoy. He enjoyed the hell out
Speaker 4: of today, So I think like you can be a
Speaker 4: Jada driven guy, you know, and really come to appreciate
Speaker 4: what you saw. Were there any pins that you thought
Speaker 4: were too hard, too much, Scotty.
Speaker 2: Were there any pins where the ball was coming back
Speaker 2: to players feet?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Scotty said, the one on fourteen was the hardest pin
Speaker 4: I've seen in a long time. There's literally just like
Speaker 4: a spine. They're like, oh, we'll just put it right
Speaker 4: on top of it. So he said, they just dropped
Speaker 4: that one on top of the spine the fourteen and
Speaker 4: that was playing very challenging. So let's talk about golf. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's our course. So but that became the story. I
Speaker 4: just I can't. We'll do a full recapping of it
Speaker 4: Sunday night. But that's where we're at, at the checkpoint,
Speaker 4: the midpoint.
Speaker 2: You know what this story of the golf is, what
Speaker 2: anybody's in it?
Speaker 4: Anybody do you want to give me a real leader board?
Speaker 4: If you're going to say anybody, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 4: would quibble with that notion.
Speaker 2: I just I think that this is this is a
Speaker 2: you know, pick a pick a big time player plus
Speaker 2: one or better. You know, I was talking to PJ
Speaker 2: and I were talking today and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, he's saying stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: The real leader, I believe right now is at three under.
Speaker 2: You got Hideki and got her up. That's who i'd
Speaker 2: put it at the lead. I'm not I don't think
Speaker 2: Sully and McNeely are going to get it done taken,
Speaker 2: but the real leaders at three under. So if you're
Speaker 2: sitting at plus one or you're even at plus two,
Speaker 2: and you know, and this is what I would ask you,
Speaker 2: Brendan is like, do you think it's feasible for I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna take a player Matt Fitzpatrick to beat to
Speaker 2: beat everybody in the field by five shots over thirty
Speaker 2: six holes.
Speaker 4: Yes, at a golf course.
Speaker 2: I do. If you do, then you think then they
Speaker 2: can win. They could conceivably win this tournament. And if
Speaker 2: you go down that like to me, that's where plus two.
Speaker 2: Obviously the golf course has rained some people in a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, over the two days. But I
Speaker 2: kind of believe we're gonna get one fun set up,
Speaker 2: one hard setup on the weekend. You're gonna see that
Speaker 2: the thirteenth driveable it's going. They're gonna they're gonna ratchet it,
Speaker 2: you know, to make it really fireworks one day, I believe,
Speaker 2: probably tomorrow, and then Sunday it's gonna be back to
Speaker 2: being an ass kicker.
Speaker 4: An interesting choice I thought was they kind of not
Speaker 4: by design, but I would say probably three best players
Speaker 4: in the world this year consistently.
Speaker 2: Were Scheffler fits Cameron Young. I think Rory has like
Speaker 2: kind of you know, he won the Masters, he's put
Speaker 2: him forth to put him third wherever he was.
Speaker 4: But he's he's been like trying to find a few
Speaker 4: things right and was it the masters and did it enough?
Speaker 4: So whatever, three of the four players, Rory's in that group,
Speaker 4: they were all ended up kind of buying the harder wave,
Speaker 4: the harder early late or sorry late early wave with
Speaker 4: a lot of the win like today was this morning
Speaker 4: was freaking hard. That was like incredible, the balls going nowhere,
Speaker 4: it's cold, it's so windy, hard pins. I don't think
Speaker 4: those guys are probably necessarily playing poorly. And cam Young
Speaker 4: started to come on late. I don't think Scheffler was like,
Speaker 4: you know, the broadcast said, like this is unheard of?
Speaker 4: Was Scotty because he made three bogies? It was freaking hard?
Speaker 4: Ye had they so three of the paperwork storylines. Nobody's
Speaker 4: talking about Sheriff Scotti, slow start, the resolve, hours spent
Speaker 4: processing Higgo's appeal. He had to do desk work last night.
Speaker 4: They had a big controversy on the fair police frontier
Speaker 4: who was at the desk doing paperwork all night. He
Speaker 4: comes out makes three bogies, Like so you have three
Speaker 4: of the guys who are playing the best right now
Speaker 4: in the hardest got the draw a little bit. It
Speaker 4: wasn't a crazy draw disparacy disparity, but it was the
Speaker 4: harder point. And so that's FITZI Yan Scotty, like you
Speaker 4: said with FITZI, absolutely he'll be out a little earlier tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Of course he can go get it. We just saw
Speaker 4: a sixty five.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, listen, I'm gonna beat the drum always
Speaker 2: for championship uh setups where you know, just generally like okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna identify the better play the best player by
Speaker 2: then to seventy two holes. But just in terms of
Speaker 2: if you're an organization, what a dream setup, you got
Speaker 2: a dream leader board you have in the sense of
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be locked into golf pretty early in
Speaker 2: the morning because any of these guys at like plus
Speaker 2: two could shoot a sixty six or sixty five and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're right back in it. And
Speaker 2: that's what we saw from got Her Up today obviously
Speaker 2: is got her Up. You know, because of how many
Speaker 2: names were on the board yesterday. It's like we didn't
Speaker 2: really talk we you know, the thought of talking about
Speaker 2: Chris Gottrup's slow start with seventy two was gonna be
Speaker 2: if we had a four hour show, we might have
Speaker 2: gotten to it. But now got Her up shoots two over,
Speaker 2: he shoots a sixty five. And like I would say,
Speaker 2: if I was gonna make favorites, like he might be
Speaker 2: my favorite right now, I'd probably still lean a little
Speaker 2: bit towards Cam or Scottie, but he'd be right up
Speaker 2: there in terms of favorites for the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot, a lot can happen with
Speaker 4: thirty six holes to go? Where else do you want
Speaker 4: to go next? Got her ups in it? Where's your
Speaker 4: Can we go back to your leaderboard?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll go keep going down the leaderboard.
Speaker 2: I put min Wu Lee on here. I had to
Speaker 2: take my guy the potty off. I was happy. One
Speaker 2: of my really good friends texted me last night and
Speaker 2: that he that he followed our lead or what what
Speaker 2: what is it? PJ? When you tail tail tail us?
Speaker 2: He got he hit a potty first round leader yesterday.
Speaker 2: Right there we go. But anyways, the uh potty I've
Speaker 2: taken off. I think those those bogey bog that bogey
Speaker 2: bogie finish is going to rattle him.
Speaker 4: But this is a good performance from pott. Come on,
Speaker 4: let's be honest. That's that's a tight rope. He's going
Speaker 4: to fall off at some point. You're walking the potty tightrope.
Speaker 4: He's not fully trained yet that you can't have him
Speaker 4: on the real leaderboard.
Speaker 2: My story storyline, nobody's talk about PJ put up here
Speaker 2: potty potty clogged eater finishes Bogey Bogey to lose the.
Speaker 4: Lead on Saturday. On Friday, I guess I missed that
Speaker 4: there was a loud potty shout on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: At some point somebody screamed.
Speaker 4: Body, Oh, we don't encourage that. No, don't don't bring
Speaker 4: dumb inside jokes to the ground.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: We're impressed by Ben woo Lee. He made the made
Speaker 2: the real leader board. And uh, I gotta say a moment,
Speaker 2: it felt like it was gonna unravel after the double today,
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like it was going to go
Speaker 2: the wrong way. And this is a this is an
Speaker 2: experienced chef. He put out the active grease fire. Uh
Speaker 2: and and and got that, got the kitchen back working,
Speaker 2: served with the customers, didn't have to shut down the restaurant.
Speaker 2: So Min wou Le chef min Wu makes.
Speaker 4: The leader board here, love it? What else do we
Speaker 4: have Cameron.
Speaker 2: We got Scottie and Cam at at two under. Obviously, Peach,
Speaker 2: how did you how did how did that finish make
Speaker 2: you feel? Coming coming down the stretch for camp.
Speaker 5: Finish finish made me feel great. It was uh, you know,
Speaker 5: got gets saw saw the shot. Then we went away
Speaker 5: for like what felt like an hour on the ESPN,
Speaker 5: I was just waiting for I was like, there's no
Speaker 5: way they're not going to show him at least close
Speaker 5: to live making this eagle Putt refreshing the tracker, just
Speaker 5: like right as our team team meeting call, weekend planning
Speaker 5: call started today.
Speaker 6: I'm just waiting.
Speaker 2: I was wondering where you were we did I just
Speaker 2: assumed it was a great talks.
Speaker 5: I was just chats, you know, spam and spam and
Speaker 5: the refresh button and and and waiting for it to
Speaker 5: come up. Put finally dropped. I mean, his front today
Speaker 5: was bad. Did not play well as first nine holes,
Speaker 5: hasn't played well this whole week. I think it's a
Speaker 5: minor miracle and a testament to to being a top
Speaker 5: flight player in the world, being on the T four
Speaker 5: on the on the real leaderboard.
Speaker 2: We were going down the real leaderboard. We were making
Speaker 2: the graphic and uh, and I just I knew PJ
Speaker 2: was just waiting for me to say Cam Young, So
Speaker 2: I just left him off and he's like, you're kidding, right,
Speaker 2: you're kidding.
Speaker 4: So you're leaving Who am I? You're leaving Pooge, Harris English.
Speaker 2: Jaeger JT JT is a notable emission that's not going
Speaker 2: to go over well. Uh we did include Sea Wou though.
Speaker 4: Ludvig, I might. I guess it could come.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I almost said this last night. Yes, I was
Speaker 2: so disappointed in Ludwig yesterday. Yeah, to me, this was
Speaker 2: just totally a show. Show you something round today along
Speaker 2: the lines of I think got her up doesn't have
Speaker 2: as big of expectations as Ludwig. Yeah, for Ludvig today,
Speaker 2: big time sixty six from lude. So then we got
Speaker 2: we got who else? We go to one under, we
Speaker 2: got John Ram, Jason Day and uh and in there
Speaker 2: I gotta say, this is this is this is who
Speaker 2: I'm most worried about. The vulture capitalists can't lay is
Speaker 2: seeing a distressed situation playing out here at Ironim and
Speaker 2: he is ready to pounce, just like a good Virgil.
Speaker 2: Vulture capitalist.
Speaker 4: He's one in the area Wilmington Country Club. He's familiar
Speaker 4: with the area. Is he with rom because I think
Speaker 4: he's like I think can't A is the guy on
Speaker 4: the board who sort of pretty out in the open,
Speaker 4: despises the live situation as much as anybody that would
Speaker 4: be a good parent if it's can't lay Ram. They're
Speaker 4: both at one under, so you're keeping them. You're you've
Speaker 4: got some can't le concerns you you know, you always
Speaker 4: have to.
Speaker 2: Look at this and it's like, what's the worst worst
Speaker 2: case scenario here? And I can't I might have joined that.
Speaker 2: Uh we go, Hoe, he is on it, Come on,
Speaker 2: why are you doing that? Of all the people, even
Speaker 2: yah Us he has needed needed to have him on
Speaker 2: here just to just to have a reason to bring up.
Speaker 2: What a good start to the major for Hoe? You know,
Speaker 2: did you have ten on the actual leader board here?
Speaker 2: And he's in it. He's alive. Anybody been two over
Speaker 2: or under? And he said, we're in it. The first
Speaker 2: step is this step towards east Lake BP. We need
Speaker 2: to get on our horse here a little bit. This
Speaker 2: is the first step.
Speaker 4: Patrick is also even yeah, that's fine, Smith and even
Speaker 4: any any Cameron Smith is cards right.
Speaker 2: I don't want to call him to sanct you know,
Speaker 2: question the sanctity of this list. But yesterday we have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to put Martin Kramer up there, and we
Speaker 2: took it. And today we had an opportunity to get
Speaker 2: Hoey in there. We got to the point on the
Speaker 2: leaderboard and we saw a guy there and we said,
Speaker 2: we got to put this up here.
Speaker 4: Some other names I could throw out Collins won over
Speaker 4: more kwa uh is he out of it? Is Ricky
Speaker 4: Xander kind of a Ricky Xander, Rory speif are all
Speaker 4: at one one over?
Speaker 2: I should say Ricky Xander. God, I thought we weren't
Speaker 2: going to talk about him all week. Actually he looked
Speaker 2: amazing today. It was really fun to watch. Even the
Speaker 2: cold hearted haters had to have had to enjoy watching
Speaker 2: speed play golf today. Right, you didn't like that?
Speaker 4: Come on the shots into sixteen he was at It
Speaker 4: was fun to watch.
Speaker 2: He didn't make it beautifully. The problem is it's always something,
Speaker 2: It's always close. It's one part like he that he
Speaker 2: can't make any puns like he didn't out He not
Speaker 2: cash in one of those great shots coming down the stretch.
Speaker 4: What he disappo from Xander, like quite honestly as seventy
Speaker 4: three when he was kind of set up. Now he's
Speaker 4: won over certainly within striking distance. Rory one over driver,
Speaker 4: better driver, was better today?
Speaker 2: Get me speak missed some miss some putts. He's got
Speaker 2: to look at this and say, like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: three shots behind I legitimately, someone like Rory's got to
Speaker 2: look at this and be like, I'm three shots behind Scotty,
Speaker 2: and if I make up the if I if I
Speaker 2: keep making up. You know, yesterday he was what six
Speaker 2: behind Scotty. Yeah, I mean, so he's six behind Scotty
Speaker 2: and now he's three shots behind Scotty. So he made
Speaker 2: up half the margin. And you know, if you're right
Speaker 2: near Scotty, you're right near the lead.
Speaker 4: It feels like he had like a horrendous like seventy
Speaker 4: minutes there right where he made five vogueies coming in
Speaker 4: and didn't hit it great the whole day of Thursday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, who knows, get hot on the weekend? Would
Speaker 2: you rather have a horrendous seventy minutes? Do you? In?
Speaker 4: Like that?
Speaker 2: Where like it's like God, if I could have just
Speaker 2: gone and rep you know, rework that or would you
Speaker 2: rather be in Garrick Jego's position where a disastrous minute.
Speaker 4: Ruined your weekend.
Speaker 5: I mean some would argue it was a disastrous like
Speaker 5: twenty five seconds, not not even more.
Speaker 2: He was, he was on time, he missed it by
Speaker 2: a shot.
Speaker 4: I I'd rather be quick so the pain's not drawn
Speaker 4: out right way that way. I mean, that was the
Speaker 4: whole thing with Rory with the Masters last year, with
Speaker 4: the two doubles on Thursday, right on fifteen seventeen, like
Speaker 4: God is just like these quick punches erased.
Speaker 2: But he knew he was playing well.
Speaker 4: That was sort of a I don't know that he's
Speaker 4: playing that level to this week at all. But it
Speaker 4: was just a really bad finish on Thursday, and he's
Speaker 4: otherwise kind of would be right at the near the top.
Speaker 4: He missed us the cut because it's penalty.
Speaker 2: How about Joseph not showing up when we invite We
Speaker 2: invited him, we said you.
Speaker 4: Could bring your wine wine time.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even come. Where is he, PJ? Where is
Speaker 2: he is he not coming in Friday? I don't from him.
Speaker 2: I know where I bet he is. I bet he's
Speaker 2: hanging out in the in the discussion forums in Friday
Speaker 2: Golf Club.
Speaker 4: That's probably that's where he absolutely should be. I'm supposed
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Speaker 2: Well I don't. I don't think you have to read
Speaker 2: it for Beatim, but there is this what am I
Speaker 2: supposed to do? Just well, you can read it tonight.
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Speaker 5: We were we were trying to put up the same
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Speaker 2: So here we are. We're all started with.
Speaker 4: Blockie because he's the guy. He missed by a shot.
Speaker 4: He got absolutely screwed. He was the hard, tough draw.
Speaker 4: He's being buried him. I don't know why they would
Speaker 4: bury him. I should have been the toast of the
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Speaker 4: media flip flopping, flip flopping. There's a typo in there.
Speaker 4: What the flip? The media is going back and forth?
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Speaker 2: Well, go on, is this about the senior tour?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is what you you wanted. He's walking back
Speaker 5: his comments. He says Al talks to him at the
Speaker 5: beginning of this week. Blockie says, this is gonna be
Speaker 5: this is how many lives we've lived since like noon
Speaker 5: when we came up with this graphic. Sorry I had
Speaker 5: a title. Blockie gives this interview to Shipnuk earlier in
Speaker 5: the week. This is my swan song. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: do this anymore. I'm gonna play the Senior Tour. Blockie
Speaker 5: gets off the course today after a miscut I dad
Speaker 5: and goes, I'm going to qualify for these for the
Speaker 5: rest of my life. I'm you know, I'm absolutely gonna
Speaker 5: qualify again. Next year. I should qualify for five more
Speaker 5: of these. He's not no swan song. Honestly, I hate
Speaker 5: to say this because Brendan's gonna get mad at me
Speaker 5: and he's gonna like this. It was very Lebroni today
Speaker 5: from Blockie. It was very like, oh, I'm gonna retire
Speaker 5: here I go.
Speaker 2: Nope, I'm back. I'm back and.
Speaker 5: You all love me, and I'm gonna do this again
Speaker 5: next year in the year after that and year after.
Speaker 2: It's very Lebroni.
Speaker 4: The way he said it was like I think it
Speaker 4: was to sobol was just it was on radio, complete
Speaker 4: Showman style. He goes, I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Dramatic pause. There's no way on God's Green Earth this
Speaker 4: is my last one, like absolutely, just flips it like
Speaker 4: like a wrestling Like he's at the mic cutting a promo.
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks he's done. He said he's done, No chance.
Speaker 4: I will definitely qualify for one more, if not five more.
Speaker 4: So I hope to see him when the PGA comes
Speaker 4: to Congressional whenever. That is twenty thirty five more Blockie,
Speaker 4: he got screwed. Guy plays in the hardest wave, grinds
Speaker 4: his ass off. It's insane how far he hits it. Andy,
Speaker 4: he just it's like two sixty six off the tee
Speaker 4: he's averaging on Friday.
Speaker 2: I don't have to tell me. I saw it in
Speaker 2: real life, up close and personally. I saw this. It
Speaker 2: came off first the first tea. I was like, well, no,
Speaker 2: like I didn't. I didn't really hit it any great drives.
Speaker 2: I think our last hole. I hit a drive and
Speaker 2: he was like, man, that went really far, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, you know I got one. But
Speaker 2: his driver's just a little poofballer out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got to make par in eighteen. He's
Speaker 4: got two thirty six in It's just crazy. It's it's
Speaker 4: amazing he's able to do it.
Speaker 2: So Blockie who got him with the game in the game,
Speaker 2: game within the game, who DJ? Oh we beat him DJ?
Speaker 2: DJ DJ. I'm not gonna say he's like, is he back?
Speaker 2: Is he's I'm not gonna go like all the way
Speaker 2: to he's live, But I would really like a good
Speaker 2: round from DJ tomorrow. It's just have Can we can
Speaker 2: we get one more DJ major moment? Like this guy
Speaker 2: for like you know, by the formative coming of age
Speaker 2: years was just a fixture at major championships and then
Speaker 2: he was just gone. Can we get one more? One
Speaker 2: more DJ moment?
Speaker 4: Uh, Blockie going home? DJ beats it? That would be amazing.
Speaker 4: One more DJ moment would be amazing. I yeah, I
Speaker 4: feel like more likely to have one more major moment
Speaker 4: DJ or Speed both would be incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean like TJ's like half later retirement, I mean
Speaker 2: three course the later retirement. Well, the way you guys speaking,
Speaker 2: I can't believe that I'm gonna say this, but speak.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that right, It would be great, great
Speaker 4: for golf. So with Blockie, if Livga.
Speaker 2: Just ceases to exist, does DJ even.
Speaker 4: Play I don't know, No, I think he just plays
Speaker 4: like majors, you know, it's kind of amazing Cornia Blockie.
Speaker 4: He's coming to five more. He's going to play majors
Speaker 4: longer than Tiger and Phil. He's going home, which means
Speaker 4: low amateur and the Blockie are a low pro, not amateur,
Speaker 4: low club pro. We have a new recruit, a new
Speaker 4: recruit and the fair police, the colonel that's what we're
Speaker 4: calling him, Ben Kerr and the colonel. We have a deputy,
Speaker 4: we have a constable, we have a sheriff, and now
Speaker 4: we have a colonel Ben Kern club pro. I believe
Speaker 4: out a Grove City, Ohio, where I used to go
Speaker 4: for an AU tournament.
Speaker 2: This maybe it's changed.
Speaker 4: You do want to find yourself in Grove City about
Speaker 4: twenty thirty years ago. Sheriff, deputy and constable may have
Speaker 4: a new Kern l in their ranks. Ben Kern guy
Speaker 4: is like thirtieth t thirty. Good good job on him.
Speaker 2: So he's he's eating the field in Bernie kind of insane.
Speaker 2: It's called boy got the sleeve tat. I believe Big
Speaker 2: Boy loved that. He's rolling rumbling onto the leader board
Speaker 2: other mcers. More seriously, Ox Shay's going home started Bertie
Speaker 2: Birdie to day russ Henley kind of a surprise not
Speaker 2: having as good a year this year as last year,
Speaker 2: but set up should have set up well for him.
Speaker 4: Bobby mack Peach, aren't.
Speaker 2: You happy I talked to you out at russ Henley
Speaker 2: on Tuesday? You were?
Speaker 5: You called me you could on the early Tuesday morning
Speaker 5: and we were trying to plan out who we're gonna
Speaker 5: pick so we don't want to end up on the
Speaker 5: same guy. And I said, ah, you know, I already
Speaker 5: used the rust Buss, but I think he might be
Speaker 5: good this week. He said, not enough popping the bat
Speaker 5: here not gonna happen. Can't get close enough to a
Speaker 5: good Irons.
Speaker 4: Absolute carnage on the euro Ryder Cup team, Bobby mack, Fleetwood, Straka,
Speaker 4: Hatton Hoveland all going away. So those five just miss cut,
Speaker 4: miss cut, missed. Like, that's a lot of heavy hitters
Speaker 4: from across the pop. Maybe they should play the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2: Maybe the PGA will watch this and be like, we
Speaker 2: kind of bring the Ryder Cup to Ironom in twenty
Speaker 2: years because of this happened the last time.
Speaker 4: Adam Scott ejecting Snetecker, who I was told was like
Speaker 4: the best case scenario for a winner. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: what a shocker he.
Speaker 2: Miss You know what, he hit a lot of great
Speaker 2: shots in them, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Uh and then probably most of the most alarming Garrett
Speaker 4: Kigo we met outed going home by a shot to
Speaker 4: two stroke penalty.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: ESPN went like full t bow mode on the Higo thing,
Speaker 4: like Tim Tebow first Take type two thousand and eight
Speaker 4: or whatever. That would be, uh, just way too much,
Speaker 4: like just blood in the water. We've got a mainstream
Speaker 4: ESPN car watched the thing to death. They've got Marty
Speaker 4: Smith with the timer like the shadowing him to the
Speaker 4: first t like it was good. The Higgo thing happened.
Speaker 4: It wasn't gonna happen again today. We just overdid it.
Speaker 4: We didn't need Higgo watch. We just didn't need it.
Speaker 4: But ESPN did that they do. But he ends up
Speaker 4: missing by a shot. And then Bryson goes Birdie, Birdie
Speaker 4: birdie to.
Speaker 2: Finish, not maybe a pyrrhic victory at the end there
Speaker 2: with his last three holes, but declaring independence storyline, Bryson
Speaker 2: sets himself free from PGA.
Speaker 4: Governance in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Uh, he's.
Speaker 4: Do you have like real concerns about Bryson as we
Speaker 4: go to Shinnecock and Birkdale and whatever he's got to
Speaker 4: do on live. He's not playing well.
Speaker 2: I mean, he hasn't played well really since the Masters
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 4: Since like the sixth hole at the Math or whatever,
Speaker 4: say eighth hole the Masters.
Speaker 2: It's not been yet. I mean, he hasn't been very good.
Speaker 2: And like port Rush, it was he had the bad
Speaker 2: first round and they played well, like with no threat
Speaker 2: of he was never going to tract on Scottie right, No, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be worried.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was like ten over at one point.
Speaker 2: The thing too, is I feel like three years ago
Speaker 2: you'd be like, man, this is a good Bryson setup. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know two years ago this is this is great
Speaker 2: for Bryson.
Speaker 4: He'll run the wing foot game plan kind of thing,
Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, you know, I think it's hard
Speaker 2: to hard to I imagine it's hard to devote so
Speaker 2: much time to so many different, you know, things at
Speaker 2: the same time. But this is the way he is
Speaker 2: though that we talked about this where like I feel
Speaker 2: like he has like a passing interest in pro golf,
Speaker 2: and I like that that's not a bad thing. It's
Speaker 2: just a bad thing for being consistently one of the
Speaker 2: best players in the world. Like, but when he's engaged
Speaker 2: with pro golf, he.
Speaker 4: Is everybody was doing like the lawn Drive, like the
Speaker 4: week after before the rider was it? Right after He's like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: he's trained for the lawn drive as he has to
Speaker 4: play the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2: I think he's legitimately trying to stand up a golf
Speaker 2: club brand. And he's also doing all these YouTube videos
Speaker 2: like it is.
Speaker 4: That's like the P and L too for the crushers.
Speaker 2: That's right. He has to make sure he increases. If
Speaker 2: you're not growing, you're dying that even if better go
Speaker 2: up this year, So he's he's got a lot of mark.
Speaker 4: It's just I mean, it stinks as a fan to
Speaker 4: see him just be not competitive. There's some sort of
Speaker 4: there's some shot in Freud elements. Some people were getting
Speaker 4: off about it. But I think he's put so much
Speaker 4: mental mental weight into the whole equipment thing that if
Speaker 4: he feels like thirty percent uncomfortable and it seems like
Speaker 4: he's still R and D and the ship out of
Speaker 4: whatever he's trying to do, that like he just throws
Speaker 4: his hands up like, well, I'm not there yet, so
Speaker 4: that means I'm not going to play well. He's like
Speaker 4: put too much agency and wherever he's feeling with his equipment,
Speaker 4: which is of course important. You need to be comfortable
Speaker 4: with your tools. But he just has put way too
Speaker 4: much weight. Why you should go to Golf Galaxy, right,
Speaker 4: he should go?
Speaker 2: Maybe should see if they fit them into one single
Speaker 2: length irons or if they fit them into regular irons.
Speaker 2: Get yeah, that'd be a great YouTube video. Honestly played
Speaker 2: both clubs and said I played regular clubs, but he's
Speaker 2: already done it versus my single length clubs. I got
Speaker 2: a bone to pick with you. You just did notable miss
Speaker 2: cuts and I can't misscutters. And I can't believe you
Speaker 2: forgot this name. Do you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: No, I mean I didn't want to just run off
Speaker 4: one hundred names, but who uh Andy Sullivan missed the
Speaker 4: cut the bumblebee?
Speaker 2: You know I did it.
Speaker 4: I thought about it, the Ryder cupvers I thought about
Speaker 4: putting it on there just for you. I honestly I
Speaker 4: looked at it, said no, we got to keep this move.
Speaker 4: And here we are fifty eight minutes, and you want
Speaker 4: to talk about the bumblebee. Wyndham Clark also missed, but
Speaker 4: he'll be there with in spirit on the T Mobile
Speaker 4: signs all over the place.
Speaker 2: It was a win because he missed the cut but
Speaker 2: did not destroy a T Mobile sign this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not too fewer days to do destruction.
Speaker 2: So there you go. It's a win. Who are you
Speaker 2: more most impressed with making the cut? Is it Luke
Speaker 2: Donald or Patty Harrington?
Speaker 4: Did Donald make it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Plus four?
Speaker 4: I had an old leader board up. Good on Donald?
Speaker 2: Oh maybe he did make Yeah, yeah, he snuck in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing. He made it last year.
Speaker 2: Guy doesn't play. He doesn't even play.
Speaker 4: He doesn't play anything, doesn't play like a euro or
Speaker 4: one off. You're like, he has not played anything since
Speaker 4: last you know, mid last summer. Incredible, just drops in
Speaker 4: makes the cut?
Speaker 2: Did it? That's Quail Hollow last year.
Speaker 4: I would say that was even more impressing given the
Speaker 4: like distance disparity there.
Speaker 2: But that's good, good on Luke. We have tea times.
Speaker 2: You told me alert you when we had time as well.
Speaker 4: I'll look here in a minute.
Speaker 2: I don't have much to ask j I was trying
Speaker 2: to queue you up here, all right, well we we
Speaker 2: can take this.
Speaker 5: Uh Padrick Harrington prous he's the Champs tore player to
Speaker 5: beat in real events. Junior majors here, uh potty taking
Speaker 5: taking the kitchen to the woodshed. I mean, it's just
Speaker 5: kind of kind of depressing.
Speaker 2: Count in the Schwab Cup standings.
Speaker 6: I think I think it's it's open for interpretation.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're getting FedEx Cup standing updates like on
Speaker 5: the hour, every hour from ESPN.
Speaker 2: That's gross.
Speaker 6: Nobody's updating the Schwab Cup. So I kind of think
Speaker 6: that maybe it should matter.
Speaker 2: J What do you think of the ESPN coverage so far?
Speaker 2: I think it's bad. Think it's bad.
Speaker 6: Brendan thinking think it has not been good A.
Speaker 5: Lot of I hate the rejoins uh that I've been
Speaker 5: comparing to the Little League World Series.
Speaker 4: After that that this is Little League World Series content,
Speaker 4: quizzing the players about.
Speaker 5: The players, about signers and the declarations. So what's heavier
Speaker 5: the Stanley Cupp or the Want to Make Cup?
Speaker 2: How many years in a row do they get to
Speaker 2: do the Stanley Cup Wanta Maker thing? Because I feel
Speaker 2: like I've seen this thing, like you're right, they love that.
Speaker 2: I think. Billy even was like, I've seen this before.
Speaker 2: It's this I can't remember.
Speaker 4: What it is though, it's the Stanley Cups. Stanley Cupp
Speaker 4: but your cop that like, this is what they do
Speaker 4: with the little lake World series. Kids who signed the
Speaker 4: Declaration of Independence. JT got went bagel right, didn't get anybody.
Speaker 5: He said, I'm a college dropout, dude, you can't give
Speaker 5: me one. Three They asked for three, which I think
Speaker 5: is kind of insulting you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I speak.
Speaker 5: Did very well. I just think like that's kind of
Speaker 5: low brow. I mean, the tracers I did not think
Speaker 5: were good. The graphics on the green showing the break
Speaker 5: of the putts were inaccurate. I didn't think the commentary
Speaker 5: was great, which is a recurring bit we have with
Speaker 5: ESPN's golf coverage. I Marty was in rare form today
Speaker 5: talking to the colonel. I mean, not many people know
Speaker 5: your life story and your journey.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 5: And just like threw the colonel into a blender by
Speaker 5: not asking a question. He just sat there. It was
Speaker 5: like dead air for five seconds. Well he just looked
Speaker 5: at him.
Speaker 2: The speak soliloquy.
Speaker 4: I was like, I just saw you I'm sorry this
Speaker 4: shuffler soliloqually about I just saw you great Meredith and
Speaker 4: your kids.
Speaker 5: Scotti was clearly like thrown off by that. There was
Speaker 5: dead air. I mean it was it's CBS. I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm the guy in the meme with the sunglasses
Speaker 5: in his car being like, you know, Donald Trump, please
Speaker 5: save me, CBS, please save me, Like we need a
Speaker 5: big weekend from CBS.
Speaker 6: To salvage this on the television aspect, like please.
Speaker 4: I thought they went a little too overboard with the
Speaker 4: Higgas stuff I enjoyed yesterday morning, and they called Bridgeman
Speaker 4: when they called Bridgeman Bud Cawley and then seventy six
Speaker 4: year old Andy North totally excusable mistake, called min woo
Speaker 4: ye seawoo kim uh.
Speaker 2: But he's seventy six year old. That like, come on,
Speaker 2: like that's gonna happen ESPs golf guy. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid watching Sports Center for five straight hours over
Speaker 2: and over again, North would be doing check ins from
Speaker 2: the from the Open. He was their golf guy in
Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, Curtis strange guy. He's going
Speaker 2: to be their golf guy in twenty twenty seven. It's
Speaker 2: an incredible career.
Speaker 5: Curtis Strange was struggling with pronunciations left and right, which
Speaker 5: I mean, we do too, but we're not on national television.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: I don't think like Duval really puts it in the work,
Speaker 2: but maybe he does. Doesn't say a lot. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he did at one point at all, But I don't
Speaker 2: mind think. I think we should be referring to people
Speaker 2: in media like like golfers get referred to when they're struggling.
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, you know, I know, I know PJ.
Speaker 2: His swing doesn't look great right now, but nobody, nobody
Speaker 2: puts in more hours. You know. It's like PJ. I
Speaker 2: haven't agreed with some of his takes lately, but I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. Nobody puts in more hours in the
Speaker 2: spreadsheets than PJ looking for takes. I like, I want that.
Speaker 2: I want that to be the way people describe me
Speaker 2: when I'm not doing well. Is the way golf announcers
Speaker 2: describe pros.
Speaker 5: You gotta get a coach for you gotta get a
Speaker 5: take coach so they can just say, oh, he's working
Speaker 5: with whatever, because it's always the coach, like, oh, he's
Speaker 5: working with this guy, you know, Mark, who's the Mark
Speaker 5: Blackbird of takes, Like we gotta find that it can't
Speaker 5: be stephen A.
Speaker 4: No, God, you look at I have like the ESPN
Speaker 4: portal open all day and it's like related videos or
Speaker 4: other videos, like twenty five of the thirty ones are
Speaker 4: like clips of stephen A. Just take take, take, take thing,
Speaker 4: like that's all stephen A on the on the whatever,
Speaker 4: on the knicks. It's crazy how much I don't mind
Speaker 4: ESPN dropping in to get it. Seems like they have
Speaker 4: whiplash on whether they're into golf, not into golf. They're
Speaker 4: into golf again, they want to like I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just they're all over the place.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. I will say that I had like some
Speaker 2: PTSD when I heard them going to commercial and the
Speaker 2: TGL commercial music was on, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: wait a second, this is a major. This isn't tg L.
Speaker 2: You can't use the same music.
Speaker 4: All right, are we bringing Kevin in?
Speaker 2: PJ? Is Kevin coming in? KBV No? I think we
Speaker 2: didn't want to go too long, so he's.
Speaker 4: In the power too long anyways, Okay, all right, PJ
Speaker 4: is waving off the bullpen.
Speaker 2: I just listen to the coach. Listen, he's not going
Speaker 2: to the pen for the writing.
Speaker 4: How about Get and j t just going freaking out
Speaker 4: on the rules official? I think it is ken Tacket
Speaker 4: for putting him on the clock, freaked out on him,
Speaker 4: this gesticulating to and so I have it too and
Speaker 4: fro Kee Get. You know, felt like we were back
Speaker 4: at bed Bage's argument PGA rules officials, but I think
Speaker 4: it was a tour official working on behalf of the PGA.
Speaker 4: I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else pertinent?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm excited to watch golf tomorrow?
Speaker 2: We too? Would you want to talk any spicy tea times?
Speaker 2: What tea time you like the most? Uh?
Speaker 4: Sure? I don't have it pulled up, but I can.
Speaker 4: I can look at that. Are Ram and pe can't
Speaker 4: lay together?
Speaker 3: Or no?
Speaker 2: Probably not? P and Jason Day?
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, Patrick Greed and Howson Lee don't feel like
Speaker 4: they're on the same wavelength. I think that's sort of
Speaker 4: a fun one.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's going to be more people watching
Speaker 2: an Aldrich Pott Eater and Jaeger or Smolly and McNeely.
Speaker 4: Hatti or a Kirk Kitty Am and Aaron Rye. I
Speaker 4: mean this is just a bonanza for their early ESPN coverage.
Speaker 4: We have, in consecutive order, Spieth and dj Kopka and
Speaker 4: Rory and Ricky and Xander. I mean, that's just back
Speaker 4: to back to back to back bonanza for ESPN. That's
Speaker 4: around eleven AM. So CBS will get the end of that,
Speaker 4: you know, back nine. But those are those are some
Speaker 4: power hitters there. That's a great that's a great cluster.
Speaker 2: Peach. You wanted JT out of the cam Young group
Speaker 2: on Wednesday night and you get him again on Saturday.
Speaker 5: I was just texting Lamanya, who is busy writing so
Speaker 5: he will not be joining. I was just texting him
Speaker 5: in all caps. We got to get out of the
Speaker 5: JT vour text. Man, this is too much. This is
Speaker 5: too too much. It's a very comfy pairing. I just
Speaker 5: I think it's not I think it's not good.
Speaker 4: So I think, why is it not good too?
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, Like I think there's a level
Speaker 2: of too comfortable, too good.
Speaker 5: I'm still rattled by the whole j T stealing the
Speaker 5: Putter thing. The mojo hasn't been the same since that
Speaker 5: came out, truthfully, So I just want to get out of.
Speaker 6: The Thomas vortex. Hopefully someday that'll happen.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be so many guys that finish top ten
Speaker 2: this week, and you're gonna be like, God, that guy
Speaker 2: finished top ten. I didn't see any of his shots
Speaker 2: all week because there's so many people in the middle
Speaker 2: in the top ten.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like that's Pooge. Pooge is playing
Speaker 5: with Scottie Scheffler, and I don't think I've seen Pooge
Speaker 5: once this week.
Speaker 2: I think I saw him a couple of shots.
Speaker 6: One Harris English putt today.
Speaker 4: Any Novaki, he could be totally blocked out on Saturday.
Speaker 4: There's some good there's some good parents. Ben Kern gets
Speaker 4: with Daniel Hillier. I feel like he could have had
Speaker 4: a partner that kind of put him more on stage,
Speaker 4: but not to be on Saturday.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: I don't have any some good, some good parents.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough when I tell my wife, we
Speaker 2: I gotta be locked in from like ten thirty on
Speaker 2: because how bunched up the leaderboard? Leaderboard is Yeah, do
Speaker 2: you think it'll stay that way for Sunday? You think
Speaker 2: someone separates? I think it I I would predict tomorrow
Speaker 2: they go with like the driver aill for some holes
Speaker 2: and some bowls listen like funnels. If I were if
Speaker 2: I were a betting man, I would I think I
Speaker 2: would go ten under for the win. If you get
Speaker 2: to ten under, you win this tournament. And uh and yeah,
Speaker 2: oh Pj's peach or kV. If he entered the.
Speaker 4: Studio, Okay, great, Hello, what's up? I don't think your
Speaker 4: MIC's on? Maybe could be wrong, could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Let me check it out.
Speaker 2: There you go. Maybe that's better.
Speaker 3: No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: Now that's there, you go? There it is?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Did you guys see Ry came out against the setup late?
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 4: Nopes, Nope. I figured we might get some set up
Speaker 4: takes for Rory Lake.
Speaker 2: I will read his quotes Jariff's recruiting him to the
Speaker 2: pres It sounded like it.
Speaker 3: So he was asked about the setup, he said, yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing I would say is I think a
Speaker 3: bunch leaderboard like this, I think it's a sign of
Speaker 3: not a great setup. I think when it's as bunched
Speaker 3: as it is, because it hasn't really enabled anyone to
Speaker 3: separate themselves. It's like, you know, it's easy to make
Speaker 3: a ton of pars, hard to make birdies, and it's
Speaker 3: not that hard to make bogie. It just feels like
Speaker 3: bogie's the worst score you're going to shoot on any hole.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of hazards. There's not you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the setup is fine, Like the golf course
Speaker 3: is good, the pins were tough, and the wind was
Speaker 3: what it was as well. But I think, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: always just felt like a really good setup, it starts
Speaker 3: to spread the field a bit and it's not great
Speaker 3: setups and sort of bring everyone together. I feel like
Speaker 3: that's what sort of happened the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: I just feel I feel like it's the most talented
Speaker 3: players just always want the same setup that is allowing
Speaker 3: going to allow them to pull away, and that is
Speaker 3: not Major championships always like you're gonna have face different tests,
Speaker 3: and that's why it's so freaking hard to win major championships.
Speaker 4: It's true, that's true. I'd say the word fine, so
Speaker 4: it's fine. It's become it's derogatory word.
Speaker 2: It's meant to be.
Speaker 4: It's meant to be, like probably on balance positive, but
Speaker 4: it's under to be totally connote something derogatory.
Speaker 3: It's b.
Speaker 2: I you know, it's hard to get at some of
Speaker 2: those whole locations. And I'd be curious, you know, if
Speaker 2: you if you asked the follow up question about about
Speaker 2: uh fourteen right there? What comes out right after that
Speaker 2: with about fourteen and the shoddy hit and the Ristaldi
Speaker 2: got you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, he came in with just kind of where
Speaker 4: you're holding on your butt coming in those last several holes.
Speaker 4: There are I see sixty three double bogies, eleven others
Speaker 4: six hundred and twenty bogies.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. So the disparity between double and bogie
Speaker 2: is significant. I do think though, is it what? There
Speaker 2: aren't many Parkland golf courses that produce any more of
Speaker 2: the high variants, Like what produces high variants generally is had, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, water, So not a lot of obie balls. I thought, Potty,
Speaker 4: is that one boom out of here? Touch them all
Speaker 4: on thirteen today, But.
Speaker 2: I hope Potty wins.
Speaker 3: Do you think any of this was at Lancaster that
Speaker 3: they would bitch about this, because it reminds me a
Speaker 3: lot of Lancaster and the greens anyway, like just in
Speaker 3: terms of that east coast side of Parkland.
Speaker 4: Set up, I mean they have it at Lancaster, probably not,
Speaker 4: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they the similar thing where the greens are
Speaker 2: so severe and slope that like it's just hard, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't. I feel like I feel
Speaker 2: like these guys anything that does. There is like an
Speaker 2: aspect of like reinforcing the narrative, like you just pointed out,
Speaker 2: Like I think we're obviously there's Rory and scottire are
Speaker 2: always going to be in the mix at like any
Speaker 2: kind of setup, right, but they're this this leaderboard is
Speaker 2: like a little bit different. It is super bunch and
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about that already at length here.
Speaker 2: But but there is like an element too. You know,
Speaker 2: you can make a variety argument with with majors, and
Speaker 2: maybe it is good for one to be bunched, But
Speaker 2: then I would just point out if you're artificially bunching
Speaker 2: a leader board, which I think they're more manipulating score,
Speaker 2: which always manipulates variant, like that's just like a go
Speaker 2: they go hand in hand together, almost, But if you
Speaker 2: if you're making that argument, then you're cutting across championship golf.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm talking out of like eight
Speaker 2: sides of my mouth. But this is a super complex
Speaker 2: topic course setup, and like everything you do has these
Speaker 2: downstream implications that sometimes you don't know are an implication
Speaker 2: until you do it. It's kind of like science, where
Speaker 2: like you experiment and then like the worst thing you
Speaker 2: can do as a setup person, if you're taking the
Speaker 2: eyes of being a set up person, is to not evolve.
Speaker 2: It's like a coach in the NBA, right, you have
Speaker 2: like or the NFL, or in college football. You these
Speaker 2: coaches come in and they're innovative, but ten years later
Speaker 2: they're normal. Sure, right, So if you're a setup person
Speaker 2: and you're an organization that sets up tournaments, and I
Speaker 2: think this is something that maybe goes under the radar
Speaker 2: that the Masters does really well. They evolve and they
Speaker 2: change with the with the times with their setup. Like
Speaker 2: you know, people complain when when their pins not in
Speaker 2: a certain Sunday location, but the reality of that is
Speaker 2: that they are trying new things and they, like you
Speaker 2: have to, as a setup person, have the stones to
Speaker 2: try something new that's different than what you've done in
Speaker 2: the past, and I think what happens with golf fans
Speaker 2: is they grip onto this is what this tournament is,
Speaker 2: and they won't let it evolve when naturally all tournaments
Speaker 2: have to evolve.
Speaker 3: That's well said.
Speaker 2: I also think there weren't like a ton of things
Speaker 2: you would do differently they I think it was an
Speaker 2: interesting experiment. It was an interesting choice. And when they
Speaker 2: say it's a bad setup, like, it's kind of the
Speaker 2: golf course they have, and so you want more funnel
Speaker 2: pins or ballpins, fine, we'll probably get that.
Speaker 3: Okay, It's only Friday, right, Like, why can't Friday be hard?
Speaker 3: Why can't the pins be on ridges on Friday? Make
Speaker 3: the good players have to make the cut, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you had a bad round in the first round,
Speaker 3: then maybe you should have to chase a little bit
Speaker 3: and some tough pins.
Speaker 4: What was the biggest story of the day for you, Kevin?
Speaker 4: Is it all golf course related? It felt like discourse?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: I mean I think it was a little bit. It
Speaker 3: was Rory getting back in it, Bryson totally bombing out again.
Speaker 3: There was no attempt to sort of get back in it.
Speaker 3: I just wrote a little bit at something of it
Speaker 3: today about like, you know, Maverick McNeely and the Big
Speaker 3: Potty are two very different players, but they both led
Speaker 3: the tournament at one point today and are both like
Speaker 3: you know, in it Potty. If you look at like
Speaker 3: the stats he he's putting his way through this, he's
Speaker 3: not really like the driving hasn't been what's been kind
Speaker 3: of winning the day for him. And I just you know,
Speaker 3: every time Maverick comes up, I feel like it's almost
Speaker 3: kind of unfair at this point to mention like rich dad,
Speaker 3: Oh you had all these privileges, Like that story to
Speaker 3: me is like so kind of yesterday's news. And I
Speaker 3: think what's kind of cool about mav is like he's
Speaker 3: improved as a player every single year that he's been
Speaker 3: a pro, say for like one sort of slump year
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, And I kind of admire that
Speaker 3: about him, Like he's gotten better and gotten to be
Speaker 3: a very credible tour pro to where he's like a
Speaker 3: fringe President's Cup guy. And I don't think he can
Speaker 3: win a major, but it is to me like those
Speaker 3: two people could scarcely be more different in terms of
Speaker 3: their abilities. Potty normally can't putt and Maverick normally can
Speaker 3: is a great putter, and so the fact that they're
Speaker 3: kind of doing what they're doing is the evidence of
Speaker 3: like we're in a good major, Like they're both credible players,
Speaker 3: and they probably won't be there in the end, but
Speaker 3: halfway through they're in the mix.
Speaker 2: Do you think you wouldn't have liked PJ and I
Speaker 2: were mulling a storyline nobody's talking about that. Christopher Wright
Speaker 2: tan inspired matthe McNeely this week, maybe we should.
Speaker 3: Have a son billionaire off, you know, that should be
Speaker 3: like the next golf Golf channel games.
Speaker 4: I was having a great conversation with shack El shackle
Speaker 4: further early in the week. It's like, can we mention
Speaker 4: Maverick mcmilia without saying you make a great CEO one day?
Speaker 4: Like that's like the next clause, like Maverick mcneily would
Speaker 4: make a great CEO one day.
Speaker 3: A terrible CEO.
Speaker 2: Why do we always have to say that about Maverick?
Speaker 2: I think PJ textas like he got called young Maverick McNeely.
Speaker 2: At what age do you stop being young? Because he's like,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Thirty, right, I think we can still call him young.
Speaker 2: Potty.
Speaker 3: You know, twenty one is pretty damn Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: He could be a little potty.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: A couple of comments Bryson's game moved away from this earth,
Speaker 4: which is just some great prison ism about dying and
Speaker 4: moved away from this earth.
Speaker 2: I forget who we talked about. Who we mentioned that.
Speaker 4: Uh, Michael Kim making the weekend on Holy eighteen was
Speaker 4: cool to Yeah, I guess great, sure, fine, cool, probly
Speaker 4: I thought Rosy chipping in was cool in the end.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he needed the hold out, but
Speaker 4: he needed up and down.
Speaker 3: Michael definitely needed to hold out. Yes, knew it, so.
Speaker 2: All right, but real quick, no explanation, best case, worst
Speaker 2: case for everybody this weekend.
Speaker 4: Peach Hay, come in to be mean.
Speaker 2: You're asking us to be mean? Yeah, well it just
Speaker 2: real quick, no, no explanation. You don't you cannot explain
Speaker 2: the worst case.
Speaker 4: Alex Smalley, what is my best case?
Speaker 2: Here's that best case?
Speaker 4: No, No, Alex Smalley would be worst in case. Best
Speaker 4: case I think is within the rama possibility. I think
Speaker 4: Ram would be lovely, but you know, the haters might
Speaker 4: be triggered. But for the game of golf, Ram would
Speaker 4: be good.
Speaker 2: I just had no explanation.
Speaker 4: All right, fine, well you didn't even know what I meant.
Speaker 3: What does the explanation mean. I'll go because I have one,
Speaker 3: all right. Worst case would be Steven Jeger making thirty
Speaker 3: six more pars and winning at three hunder.
Speaker 2: Within the robo pos yess.
Speaker 3: In best case for me, it would be Speed.
Speaker 5: Just oh god, I thought we were talking realistic out Come.
Speaker 3: On, listen you you haters were sweated so hard today.
Speaker 3: I was even got me down. I was in the
Speaker 3: slack talking about how you might stink today, just because
Speaker 3: you and Joseph put that in my head. And then
Speaker 3: he hit it great.
Speaker 4: He was so fun to watch.
Speaker 3: It was so fun. This is why we can't quit Speed,
Speaker 3: because he's fun. He's just fun.
Speaker 2: This is why I said no explanations. All right, now
Speaker 2: we're ringing up. No, but hey, it was It was
Speaker 2: fun to watch a guy shoot seventy two or whatever,
Speaker 2: seventy four.
Speaker 3: Or seventy two, seventy two he didn't make a bogie
Speaker 3: and or no, he did make two bogies, but he
Speaker 3: played really well.
Speaker 2: PJ.
Speaker 4: I think I know your best case.
Speaker 5: I will just take the two pm T time tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Best case Camera Young, worst case justin Thomas wow cow.
Speaker 2: First case JT. No explanation.
Speaker 3: You should be careful. I once predicted that Justice was
Speaker 3: winning would be a terrible.
Speaker 5: Well, you said he wasn't gonna win. You didn't say
Speaker 5: it would be a bad thing. I'm you know, I
Speaker 5: just I think I don't know if I want to
Speaker 5: get started on the j T Ryder Cup discourse this early.
Speaker 5: I think he's gotta earn it that I don't. I
Speaker 5: just I think I'm good. I can't see j T
Speaker 5: winning three of these things, so I'm just I'm throwing
Speaker 5: it out there.
Speaker 2: I'll take the whole two PMT.
Speaker 3: Anyone ever won three pg as and no no other majors.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that's.
Speaker 2: Leak existence as you figured that out. The best case
Speaker 2: for race Potty, okay, worst case I'm gonna go. Worst cases.
Speaker 5: Kid vehemly disagree.
Speaker 2: There would love Kitty Cat. You were talking about Kitty Cat.
Speaker 4: I like Cat this week.
Speaker 3: Potty is just not fully formed. Potty does not need
Speaker 3: to be winning a major right now. It'll hurt his
Speaker 3: long term development.
Speaker 2: The online discourse. If Potty wins will be sensational. I
Speaker 2: mean it will be incredible, Like the takes will be
Speaker 2: so wild and like because of the take, the takes
Speaker 2: will get so wild and they'll get so absurd that
Speaker 2: it'll diminish a twenty one year old, somehow diminished twenty
Speaker 2: one year old winning a major, which I want, I
Speaker 2: want all of that.
Speaker 3: Okay, God be the youngest major since Jordan.
Speaker 2: Right, it would be incredible. I mean the people would
Speaker 2: come with their knives out because of the Chips in
Speaker 2: augusta National you played the chips. This guy won a
Speaker 2: major because of this terrible set up.
Speaker 5: You think they would call Ali and get them on
Speaker 5: live from him to like describe what happened at at
Speaker 5: the zooming in, just being like did you see this coming?
Speaker 3: I think we just get poor fun. He saw it
Speaker 3: up close, like he saw that the out there with Ali.
Speaker 2: That was a nightmare.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's Kitty Kat, they just they kind.
Speaker 4: Of bring in don to do the trophy presentation. You
Speaker 4: just got to do something. You can't be having that. Okay,
Speaker 4: that spice it up, all right? Anything else, Kevin, are
Speaker 4: where are you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Generally positive?
Speaker 2: Negative?
Speaker 3: Positive? Yeah? Good, think I'm headed up there tomorrow. I'll
Speaker 3: be I'll be up there for the weekend, so uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we'll get some on the ground insights. That'll
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 2: Good looking forward to that. All right?
Speaker 4: I think that does it. Friday Night Wine Time, Friday
Speaker 4: Night Live. Uh, listen to this at your leisure before
Speaker 4: those those groups go off tomorrow ten eleven eleven am.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. Must have had a better
Speaker 2: wine date. Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Grinding on the news letter man, he's got to write
Speaker 3: that lead here. I'm just punching. I wrote about McNeill
Speaker 3: and potty, so just you know, three four hundred words
Speaker 3: bang out.
Speaker 2: That's kind of just did you guys?
Speaker 3: You didn't talk about the shank Lowry's cold top that
Speaker 3: you didn't? That was my favorite moment of the day. Frankly,
Speaker 3: we didn't.
Speaker 2: That was I mean, he does that. Let's be honest
Speaker 2: that that happens every now and then. Get a ball striker.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, that does it Friday night. Thank
Speaker 4: you all for watching. We'll be back Saturday night after
Speaker 4: play set up the final round.
Speaker 2: Letter.
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Speaker 2: We had a great ad read for that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin's a great writer. If he makes mcneilie and
Speaker 4: Potty interesting, then better than I even thought that was,
Speaker 4: will be raking in the subs, so check it out
Speaker 4: in the morning or this evening. Well, we'll talk to
Speaker 4: you on Saturday night.
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