WEBVTT - The Ivy League Bows to Trump, Plus Protecting Your Genetic Data and Your Time 0:00:15.604 --> 0:00:16.044 Pushkin. 0:00:25.924 --> 0:00:29.204 Welcome back to Risky Business, a show about making better decisions. 0:00:29.324 --> 0:00:31.004 I'm Maria Kanakova. 0:00:30.724 --> 0:00:31.684 And I'm Nate Silver. 0:00:32.124 --> 0:00:34.604 Today on the show, Nate, we're going to start by 0:00:35.724 --> 0:00:40.564 talking about brackets. I don't sound very excited because I'm 0:00:40.564 --> 0:00:42.684 not doing well, but we'll do a full catch up 0:00:42.724 --> 0:00:46.284 there and talk also a little bit about free speech, 0:00:46.444 --> 0:00:49.164 what's going on right now in college campuses, and then 0:00:49.244 --> 0:00:51.884 go into twenty three and meters and whether it's a 0:00:51.924 --> 0:00:55.444 good idea to send your ganic and data to a 0:00:55.524 --> 0:01:00.924 private company. Tough one, tough one, Hey, tough one. And 0:01:00.964 --> 0:01:04.124 then finally, let's talk about how we value our time. 0:01:04.684 --> 0:01:07.524 So you know, how do you make decisions that trade 0:01:07.564 --> 0:01:10.404 off time against other things? How do you actually think 0:01:10.444 --> 0:01:19.964 about that? Let's get into it with some march madness, Nate, 0:01:20.044 --> 0:01:23.324 I have watched more basketball in the last week than 0:01:23.364 --> 0:01:23.764 I think. 0:01:23.644 --> 0:01:25.924 I have or something. 0:01:26.204 --> 0:01:29.364 No, I've actually watched multiple games. I've watched multiple games 0:01:29.404 --> 0:01:32.524 because I was first rooting for Tennessee. You know, I 0:01:32.604 --> 0:01:35.684 was anti sweating Florida. There were so many games that 0:01:35.804 --> 0:01:39.484 just did not go way. I have quite a chat 0:01:39.524 --> 0:01:42.724 going with Monty who if people were not listening to 0:01:42.924 --> 0:01:45.564 our show. A few weeks ago, Monty McNair helped me 0:01:45.644 --> 0:01:49.964 with my brackets, and on Saturday I texted him and said, 0:01:50.004 --> 0:01:52.524 I'm anti sweating Florida hard, to which he said, we've 0:01:52.524 --> 0:01:57.244 made you a college basketball junkie, given how often I 0:01:57.284 --> 0:01:59.764 am texting him now, And I said no, I just 0:02:00.364 --> 0:02:02.404 I said, ha ha ha, We've got to beat Nate 0:02:02.924 --> 0:02:04.644 and he said, for sure, this would help, and then 0:02:04.684 --> 0:02:05.804 Florida made a comeback. 0:02:07.204 --> 0:02:09.244 So you need are you drawing? 0:02:09.964 --> 0:02:11.004 No? I need Duke to win. 0:02:11.484 --> 0:02:14.604 Oh, if Duke wins, I win, I'm not drawing dead. 0:02:14.844 --> 0:02:16.604 I think I fucked up the whole game theory because 0:02:16.604 --> 0:02:18.044 I should have just picked Dukes if I was going 0:02:18.124 --> 0:02:21.844 to be ahead, and I out psyched myself. So yeah, anyway, yeah, 0:02:22.204 --> 0:02:25.644 I'm already pretty anti Duke, justin general in life and 0:02:25.684 --> 0:02:29.764 also in some of my real sports tie way, you 0:02:29.804 --> 0:02:32.284 want a little you went a little tidbit into like 0:02:32.324 --> 0:02:35.524 the sports betting, the sports betting. 0:02:35.284 --> 0:02:38.364 Life, right, Yeah, it's dark always so far. 0:02:38.524 --> 0:02:42.284 I bet Let me see here, I have bet one 0:02:42.364 --> 0:02:47.964 hundred and twenty units on the NCAA tournament. Both the 0:02:48.004 --> 0:02:52.724 men and the women were equal opportunity here, and I'm 0:02:52.764 --> 0:02:56.684 ahead by zero point six. Oh wow, this is yeah, 0:02:56.684 --> 0:02:59.124 this is how it often goes where but you're ahead, 0:02:59.804 --> 0:03:02.324 which is better than ninety eight percent of people. I 0:03:02.324 --> 0:03:07.524 would imagine we would really like it if Houston wins. 0:03:07.604 --> 0:03:10.284 We would like it if Florida went, both for our 0:03:10.324 --> 0:03:12.564 bracket and for my old bets. I mean, like, if 0:03:12.604 --> 0:03:15.524 this South Carolina win and win, so that happens, we 0:03:15.604 --> 0:03:17.284 end up underwater probably. 0:03:17.924 --> 0:03:20.164 Well, I would like Duke to win. I am now 0:03:20.244 --> 0:03:24.364 one hundred percent on Duke. I you know, it's so funny. 0:03:24.404 --> 0:03:27.164 This is, as I told Monty, this is why I 0:03:27.204 --> 0:03:30.804 do not watch sports normally. It is wild because Florida 0:03:31.004 --> 0:03:33.404 so nate because you have Florida winning. I was anti 0:03:33.404 --> 0:03:35.804 sweating them right because they were behind in that game 0:03:36.124 --> 0:03:38.324 and it looked like they might lose, which would be 0:03:38.364 --> 0:03:41.044 great because I need Florida to not win along with 0:03:41.244 --> 0:03:44.364 Duke winning. And I just had to say, this is 0:03:44.364 --> 0:03:46.124 why I don't watch sports, to which you said it's 0:03:46.124 --> 0:03:48.764 an emotional roller coaster, which it really is, but we 0:03:48.804 --> 0:03:52.244 are still alive, and it does They'll make it a 0:03:52.284 --> 0:03:56.044 lot more fun to be sweating anti sweating. It's kind 0:03:56.044 --> 0:03:58.484 of like poker, right when I know the people playing. 0:03:58.804 --> 0:04:01.284 It's always fun when I like people to root for, 0:04:01.364 --> 0:04:03.804 and it's also really really fun when I dislike someone 0:04:04.004 --> 0:04:04.644 and I'm. 0:04:04.444 --> 0:04:05.364 Just actively. 0:04:07.804 --> 0:04:10.764 I do not answer that on a public podcast that 0:04:10.884 --> 0:04:13.604 is being listened to by tens of thousands of people. 0:04:13.804 --> 0:04:17.764 Maybe a gender and a nationality that doesn't really narrow 0:04:17.804 --> 0:04:19.644 it less, like Slovenian or something. 0:04:22.364 --> 0:04:25.164 Well, one of the people. I can't give you a nationality, 0:04:25.244 --> 0:04:26.764 but my mail. 0:04:27.684 --> 0:04:31.564 Okay, thanks, thanks mail. Oh okay. 0:04:31.604 --> 0:04:33.684 One of the people I most dislike is male and 0:04:34.284 --> 0:04:38.564 uh oh fuck no that that that's gonna that's gonna error. 0:04:42.324 --> 0:04:44.284 I don't want to be mean. I I don't. 0:04:44.364 --> 0:04:46.244 I don't want to be mean, but I think some 0:04:46.284 --> 0:04:48.484 of these people, oh male an American. Here we go, 0:04:48.524 --> 0:04:49.284 I know one of the people. 0:04:49.284 --> 0:04:50.804 I'm you're not allowed to give an answer. 0:04:51.044 --> 0:04:52.524 There you go, but it's true to you. 0:04:52.764 --> 0:04:56.884 Okay, okay, But. 0:04:56.884 --> 0:04:59.724 It's always it's always very fun to anti sweat as well. 0:05:00.204 --> 0:05:01.764 That's that's mean of me, isn't it. 0:05:03.444 --> 0:05:05.084 No, That's how we get our pleasure in life. I mean, 0:05:05.084 --> 0:05:07.284 that's why people, this is why humans are human beings. Right. 0:05:07.324 --> 0:05:09.924 We fight for honor, we fight to the death, you know, 0:05:09.964 --> 0:05:13.004 and the people in charge of country also seem to 0:05:13.044 --> 0:05:15.404 be fueled by grievance. I don't know if we want 0:05:15.404 --> 0:05:16.884 to talk about politics or net. 0:05:17.364 --> 0:05:19.484 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the one thing that 0:05:19.724 --> 0:05:22.564 I would like to talk about, just briefly, because I 0:05:22.564 --> 0:05:26.284 think it's really important, is what's happening right now with 0:05:27.164 --> 0:05:31.004 you know, free speech in this country and with how 0:05:31.124 --> 0:05:36.364 college's universities are reacting to pressure from Trump. Not just universities, 0:05:36.404 --> 0:05:38.684 by the way, this is happening everywhere law firms. You know, 0:05:38.724 --> 0:05:42.164 there's just this big muzzling where where people are just 0:05:42.164 --> 0:05:45.284 caving left and right. But one of the things that, 0:05:45.404 --> 0:05:48.684 you know, it's very personal to me because first, my 0:05:49.044 --> 0:05:53.564 graduate alma mater, Columbia University, just completely cave to Trump, 0:05:53.604 --> 0:05:58.244 making me, frankly, just very upset that I went there, 0:05:58.284 --> 0:06:00.764 like kind of embarrassed that I have a Columbia degree 0:06:00.764 --> 0:06:03.484 by how it handled this whole thing. And now there 0:06:03.564 --> 0:06:06.284 was a threat made against my undergraduate alma mater, Harvard, 0:06:06.524 --> 0:06:09.924 to withdraw nine billion dollars worth of funding, and we 0:06:10.044 --> 0:06:14.124 got this lovely email from the Harvard president and other 0:06:14.164 --> 0:06:17.004 people basically saying all of the ways that they're going 0:06:17.044 --> 0:06:20.724 to give in to the Trump demands before he's even 0:06:20.724 --> 0:06:23.204 made anything so that the funding is not cut. And 0:06:23.484 --> 0:06:25.324 the Crimson, by the way, the Harvard Crimson, which is 0:06:25.364 --> 0:06:28.924 the Harvard student newspaper, ran an editorial by students last 0:06:28.924 --> 0:06:31.124 week which was like, you can't cave in, right, you 0:06:31.204 --> 0:06:35.404 need to stand up for academic integrity, for free speech. 0:06:35.804 --> 0:06:39.764 And now the Harvard administration's like, yeah, you know, we're 0:06:39.844 --> 0:06:43.564 just going to quietly and meekly do this thing. And 0:06:43.684 --> 0:06:46.324 to me, if you're looking at this kind of through 0:06:46.324 --> 0:06:49.764 a game theory lens, right, everyone is showing themselves to 0:06:49.804 --> 0:06:54.964 be completely risk intolerant, like knits to the twentieth twenty 0:06:55.004 --> 0:06:59.284 millionth degree that they are just saying, we're going to 0:06:59.364 --> 0:07:02.364 cover our asses. We're not going to speak out in solidarity, 0:07:02.364 --> 0:07:04.804 we're not going to do anything. We just want to 0:07:04.844 --> 0:07:09.004 protect ourselves right now. And that's incredibly shortsighted, I think, 0:07:09.044 --> 0:07:13.364 because this is not a single iteration game. This is 0:07:13.404 --> 0:07:15.764 going to be a repeat game. And if you give 0:07:15.764 --> 0:07:18.164 in right now, you know, what are you doing right? 0:07:18.284 --> 0:07:20.924 What is happening to your ability to take risks in 0:07:20.964 --> 0:07:24.284 the future, to research, to just everything. And I'm looking 0:07:24.364 --> 0:07:26.364 at this and I'm saying, you guys, like, you really 0:07:26.404 --> 0:07:29.044 need to speak up and stand up to this. Harvard 0:07:29.084 --> 0:07:31.644 can afford to, right. I realize that billions are a lot, 0:07:31.644 --> 0:07:34.124 but Harvard has the second largest endowment. 0:07:34.644 --> 0:07:38.084 In the world two billion dollars three billions sorry ms 0:07:38.284 --> 0:07:39.164 billion here there. 0:07:39.284 --> 0:07:40.924 This is, I mean, this is what it's there for, 0:07:41.124 --> 0:07:45.444 right to protect academic freedom and the future of the 0:07:45.484 --> 0:07:48.164 research and the work that you do. So if Harvard 0:07:48.204 --> 0:07:51.884 is caving, if Columbia is caving, there's just no future 0:07:52.004 --> 0:07:53.724 for the rest of it. And we have to remember 0:07:53.724 --> 0:07:57.124 that this is where some of our most important research, ideas, 0:07:57.164 --> 0:07:59.764 just everything come from. And it's just it's also we 0:07:59.844 --> 0:08:03.644 don't even have to talk about how, you know, hypocritical. 0:08:03.684 --> 0:08:06.204 It is that Trump was saying that he was going 0:08:06.244 --> 0:08:08.844 to be supporting free speech and now this is happening. 0:08:08.844 --> 0:08:10.804 But I think we can could have predicted that. But anyway, 0:08:10.804 --> 0:08:14.404 I think it's a very scary response because this is 0:08:14.844 --> 0:08:18.764 you know, shutting up, being quiet, being meek, not taking 0:08:18.884 --> 0:08:22.604 risks at this point, not speaking out is how we 0:08:22.684 --> 0:08:24.804 go down a very dark path. And I think that 0:08:24.844 --> 0:08:28.044 people will be rewarded for taking risks right now, but 0:08:28.084 --> 0:08:29.564 they don't think of it that way. Right It's a 0:08:29.644 --> 0:08:34.764 cover my ass immediately type of reaction, which, yeah, which 0:08:34.884 --> 0:08:36.964 I think is the wrong way of looking at it. 0:08:38.084 --> 0:08:41.164 You know, I forgot to pack the world's tiny oft 0:08:41.204 --> 0:08:46.164 file in in my luggage. But like I, out of 0:08:46.204 --> 0:08:51.484 all things Trump is doing, going after the Ivy League 0:08:51.524 --> 0:08:54.484 universes is one of the things I'm most sympathetic too, 0:08:54.484 --> 0:08:56.524 and where we probably have an audience that over your 0:08:56.524 --> 0:09:00.684 next is. But I think for years these universes and 0:09:00.724 --> 0:09:02.804 there are exceptions. I would think that my elemmentar Eativers 0:09:02.844 --> 0:09:05.524 of Chicago is one of them. But like these universes 0:09:05.604 --> 0:09:08.284 have lit a culture of free speech in road, they 0:09:08.284 --> 0:09:11.724 have let their at it's become politicized, I think, in 0:09:11.804 --> 0:09:16.004 one direction towards a certain type of lectning behavior, and 0:09:16.044 --> 0:09:19.804 they after this though they were immune from public backlash, 0:09:19.884 --> 0:09:21.724 and believe me, Harvard is more immune from it than 0:09:21.764 --> 0:09:23.604 state schools, for example. But I think there's a reason 0:09:23.684 --> 0:09:26.044 why Trump is going after these schools and not the 0:09:26.124 --> 0:09:29.484 University of Texas, the University of Maryland or things like that. 0:09:29.564 --> 0:09:31.484 So I look, I mean, I think they should tap 0:09:31.484 --> 0:09:34.444 any endowment and tell Trump to to fuck off, Like 0:09:34.484 --> 0:09:35.524 what's it? What's it for? 0:09:36.284 --> 0:09:36.444 Uh? 0:09:37.364 --> 0:09:39.164 But I don't know, I don't want to say that, 0:09:39.324 --> 0:09:42.404 like I am questioning the utility of like do Ivy 0:09:42.484 --> 0:09:47.204 League schools make America better? I'm not sure about that. 0:09:47.444 --> 0:09:50.684 Actually, well, I think that I think that they do 0:09:50.764 --> 0:09:53.084 in the sense of, you know, the research that they 0:09:53.324 --> 0:09:56.324 the research conduct is but but where else, like that's 0:09:56.484 --> 0:09:59.124 you know, where the cutting edge research is happening, not 0:09:59.244 --> 0:10:03.564 just Ivy leagues obviously, but in the universities. It's happening 0:10:03.604 --> 0:10:07.004 in those laboratories. It's happening in those graduate departments. That's 0:10:07.044 --> 0:10:10.164 where all of the scientific innovation is happening. Those ideas 0:10:10.164 --> 0:10:13.044 are not coming from the private sector like that's economics 0:10:13.084 --> 0:10:15.004 one oh one, right, that they will not fund them 0:10:15.284 --> 0:10:17.724 until the research is at a certain stage then they 0:10:17.724 --> 0:10:21.204 will fund them. But that research, those idea explorations that. 0:10:21.164 --> 0:10:23.204 Happens within that happens. 0:10:22.844 --> 0:10:25.724 Oh I'm talking about I'm talking about other like basic science, 0:10:25.764 --> 0:10:30.084 not tech, that all happens in academia. So so I 0:10:30.124 --> 0:10:33.844 think that the value here is absolutely enormous. And I 0:10:33.884 --> 0:10:38.164 actually hate so obviously I'm Jewish, very sensitive to anti 0:10:38.164 --> 0:10:41.084 Semitism stuff, but I hate that he's using that as 0:10:41.164 --> 0:10:43.844 kind of to make people be like, oh, well, you know, 0:10:43.884 --> 0:10:46.604 we're combating anti semitism. It's not that bad. No, like 0:10:46.604 --> 0:10:49.044 this has nothing to do with anti semitism, because he 0:10:49.164 --> 0:10:51.524 has plenty of very anti Semitic policies. 0:10:51.644 --> 0:10:52.404 He's using that. 0:10:52.364 --> 0:10:56.524 As a cover to basically assert his will and say that, 0:10:56.564 --> 0:10:59.524 you know that I can dictate what universities can and 0:10:59.524 --> 0:11:03.044 can't do. Academia is not perfect, far from perfect. We've 0:11:03.084 --> 0:11:05.124 talked about this before. It needs to be reformed. But 0:11:05.244 --> 0:11:06.804 Paul Weiss, like, what the fuck? 0:11:07.124 --> 0:11:07.364 You know? 0:11:07.404 --> 0:11:11.604 You have this happening, This muzzling people, just backing down 0:11:11.724 --> 0:11:15.244 and not saying anything, happening everywhere you know, law firms, 0:11:15.604 --> 0:11:18.924 and it's just to me, that's that's a very scary 0:11:18.964 --> 0:11:22.364 precedent to set. I just read that the former head 0:11:22.404 --> 0:11:25.084 of Doctors Without Borders had her presentation. I think it 0:11:25.084 --> 0:11:28.284 was at NYU canceled for being anti government because she 0:11:28.364 --> 0:11:31.844 was going to be talking about USAID cuts. Like that's 0:11:32.044 --> 0:11:34.844 fucked up, right, Like that that kind of thing is 0:11:34.964 --> 0:11:38.484 is totally fucked up, and people are scared. And the 0:11:38.524 --> 0:11:40.324 moment that you're the most scared is when you actually 0:11:40.364 --> 0:11:42.804 should start taking these risks and protesting because it's only 0:11:42.884 --> 0:11:45.684 going to get worse. And you know, let's just look 0:11:45.684 --> 0:11:48.444 at the big picture as opposed to like the nitty 0:11:48.444 --> 0:11:51.164 gritty and say that this is not good. The fact 0:11:51.204 --> 0:11:55.804 that Columbia kept capitulated is not good, setting a horrible precedent, 0:11:56.124 --> 0:11:58.044 and I think it makes it even more important for 0:11:58.124 --> 0:12:00.564 places like Harvard to say fuck you, and the fact 0:12:00.604 --> 0:12:02.604 that they haven't is not good. 0:12:03.404 --> 0:12:06.444 I'm not as sure that it's only going to get worse. 0:12:06.764 --> 0:12:09.604 Trump is probably going to keep getting more unpopular, particularly 0:12:09.724 --> 0:12:14.244 if the economy suffers due to I mean, we're like, oh, 0:12:14.364 --> 0:12:16.524 we won the election on inflation, so let's make cars 0:12:16.604 --> 0:12:19.964 more extensive like that seems like a pretty stupid idea, 0:12:20.044 --> 0:12:24.244 Maria from a risk management standpoint, and. 0:12:25.324 --> 0:12:27.604 Okay, paying higher prices night Americans will be. 0:12:27.564 --> 0:12:31.164 Okay, investors are longer buy it. Like GM stock was 0:12:31.204 --> 0:12:33.804 off quite a bit more than some of the four manufacturers. 0:12:34.124 --> 0:12:38.764 Tesla's stock was off quite a bit. But you know, 0:12:39.204 --> 0:12:43.444 I think Trump has been smart in the tactical sense 0:12:43.484 --> 0:12:46.244 of trying to pack a lot in at the start. 0:12:46.764 --> 0:12:48.924 When they adamare political capital, they're probably going to lose 0:12:48.924 --> 0:12:52.524 political capital over time, and when they're resistance, I mean 0:12:52.524 --> 0:12:54.524 that both kind of figurably and literally is kind of 0:12:54.604 --> 0:12:59.164 like confused and it's combobulated. Look, there are lovers in 0:12:59.204 --> 0:13:02.404 the system. The courts can fight back, people can protest. 0:13:02.964 --> 0:13:05.764 We have a decentralized system of government in which states 0:13:05.804 --> 0:13:09.964 and localities have a lot of power. Potentially their midterm 0:13:10.004 --> 0:13:13.524 elections coming up. There are special elections increening one or 0:13:13.564 --> 0:13:16.284 to today in Florida, re seats that the jup will 0:13:16.284 --> 0:13:20.564 probably hold, but much closer than you would typically expect it. 0:13:20.564 --> 0:13:23.484 If there's a huge surprise, then you know, and then 0:13:23.564 --> 0:13:27.004 within the realm of remote possibility, I suppose. And by 0:13:27.044 --> 0:13:31.404 the way, Democrats having well, I mean, look the racing 0:13:32.204 --> 0:13:34.844 it's kind of more competitive, probably was in upstate New York, 0:13:34.924 --> 0:13:38.284 but I mean stathetic. Harvard, right, by the way, is 0:13:38.324 --> 0:13:41.604 no longer being nominated to the UN because Trump is 0:13:41.604 --> 0:13:44.244 afraid of nominating a someone who in a district he 0:13:44.324 --> 0:13:46.684 won by twenty one points because it might cut their 0:13:46.684 --> 0:13:50.204 majority too much. Right, so you know, so there is 0:13:50.364 --> 0:13:54.364 resistance elon Musk, you see, even more in popular than Trump. 0:13:55.724 --> 0:13:58.364 The point is not lost though that like when you 0:13:58.404 --> 0:14:00.204 create a precedent that you can cave and you saw, 0:14:00.284 --> 0:14:02.404 by the way, this happened with with like Canada and 0:14:02.484 --> 0:14:06.564 Mexico to some degree on tariffs. At first, the conservatives 0:14:06.564 --> 0:14:08.604 in Canada were like, Okay, well, I just give you 0:14:08.604 --> 0:14:11.084 this little tribune, right and then and their voters got 0:14:11.124 --> 0:14:12.804 furious at them, right. 0:14:13.044 --> 0:14:13.244 You know. 0:14:13.324 --> 0:14:15.804 Also, some of the Harvard donors would be like, fuck you, Harvard. 0:14:15.804 --> 0:14:17.204 I'm not if you could pitch like Trump, then I'm 0:14:17.204 --> 0:14:19.204 not doing any of you anymore. So You're gonna cost you 0:14:19.244 --> 0:14:21.444 money either way. And they have fifty two million dollars 0:14:21.724 --> 0:14:24.364 to burn, billion dollars to burn, and so you know, again, 0:14:24.404 --> 0:14:27.124 I'm not that I'm not that sympathetic, but I think 0:14:27.684 --> 0:14:34.004 probably probably the worst hight paying job in the country 0:14:34.044 --> 0:14:38.084 would be president of a major research IVY League university 0:14:39.244 --> 0:14:39.644 right now. 0:14:39.724 --> 0:14:44.164 Yes, and we know that the Columbia president has resigned again, 0:14:45.604 --> 0:14:50.564 and yeah, this this is definitely an unprecedented kind of 0:14:50.604 --> 0:14:52.884 assault on a lot in a lot of in a 0:14:52.924 --> 0:14:53.484 lot of ways. 0:14:53.724 --> 0:14:55.724 Let's see how it goes. Nate. 0:14:55.764 --> 0:14:59.284 I hope that your optimism is warranted. I'm much more pessimistic. 0:14:59.324 --> 0:15:02.484 I think it is going to get worse before it 0:15:02.484 --> 0:15:04.764 gets better. If it gets better. 0:15:04.724 --> 0:15:07.204 I'm not actually optimistic. I don't think about the picture 0:15:07.284 --> 0:15:12.084 of the country. I mean, you know, look, Trump does 0:15:12.124 --> 0:15:16.924 things and then the courts react. But I do think 0:15:16.924 --> 0:15:19.004 you have to recognize though, that to some extent they 0:15:19.044 --> 0:15:24.444 are signing from a position of weakness, right, They're not. 0:15:24.644 --> 0:15:26.924 I mean, although even here let me qualify that a bit. 0:15:27.164 --> 0:15:29.604 It is also true that like these I of the universes, 0:15:29.644 --> 0:15:35.324 like I said, are unsympathetic targets, right, And the reason 0:15:35.364 --> 0:15:38.164 why they kind of frame it around anti Semitism is 0:15:38.204 --> 0:15:41.284 because that's an issue that like does capture some of 0:15:41.324 --> 0:15:45.244 the center. But George, people were pissed off about the 0:15:45.284 --> 0:15:48.164 congressional hearings in twenty twenty three, for example, the three 0:15:48.244 --> 0:15:50.524 university presence and so like, so they're kind of like 0:15:50.604 --> 0:15:54.164 tactically smart about like, oh, acting their targets a little bit. 0:15:54.404 --> 0:15:55.724 But I don't know, yeah, I don't know. 0:15:56.244 --> 0:15:59.324 Yeah, it's tactically I mean, it's obviously one hundred percent disingenuous, 0:15:59.324 --> 0:16:02.644 but very tactically smart way for Trump forgetting what he wants, 0:16:03.364 --> 0:16:05.804 which is this kind of culture where everyone is scared 0:16:05.804 --> 0:16:08.564 to say anything, and that's why he's doing it and 0:16:08.604 --> 0:16:10.724 framing it the way he is. It's actually like it's 0:16:10.724 --> 0:16:13.724 a very savvy way of doing it. Which is why 0:16:13.724 --> 0:16:14.564 it's very scary. 0:16:15.284 --> 0:16:18.324 The last thing I'll say is that like history will 0:16:18.364 --> 0:16:20.484 remember this, I don't need to dramatize this as the same 0:16:20.524 --> 0:16:23.404 as like the most important pivot point in American history. 0:16:23.444 --> 0:16:25.164 I'm just saying, like a lot of people have done 0:16:25.204 --> 0:16:28.244 a lot of really cringey things in the first what 0:16:28.404 --> 0:16:30.764 is it now, two and a half months of Trump, Right, 0:16:31.244 --> 0:16:34.364 all the CEOs who met the need at the inauguration, 0:16:34.684 --> 0:16:38.444 and all the people who are you know, but the networks, 0:16:38.564 --> 0:16:40.444 even the liberals are now back to watching the news 0:16:40.484 --> 0:16:43.164 who fired all their liberal correspondents, right, But like that 0:16:43.204 --> 0:16:46.604 stuff will not age well if Trump goes down as 0:16:46.644 --> 0:16:52.164 an unsuccessful president or worse dot right And again, I 0:16:52.204 --> 0:16:55.524 think you can see the trajectory already toward him becoming 0:16:56.164 --> 0:16:59.204 more unpopular. If you didn't fuck up the economy, it 0:16:59.244 --> 0:17:01.244 might be a whole different ballgame. If you want to 0:17:01.284 --> 0:17:05.124 be like a fucking dictator, then ruining the economy is 0:17:05.124 --> 0:17:07.004 about the stupidest thing you can do in terms of 0:17:07.084 --> 0:17:08.564 maintaining public support. 0:17:09.764 --> 0:17:11.364 Yeah, I think that's right. 0:17:11.444 --> 0:17:14.484 So I hope, I hope it all falls down around him, 0:17:14.484 --> 0:17:16.004 and I hope you're right that the Sarah will be 0:17:16.004 --> 0:17:19.404 remembered as that as opposed to the start of the 0:17:19.484 --> 0:17:23.444 end offination democracy. If we're being dramatic, I hope we 0:17:23.524 --> 0:17:24.404 don't get that far. 0:17:25.164 --> 0:17:26.604 There's a there's. 0:17:26.444 --> 0:17:32.364 A gray zone, now there are any democracy already has 0:17:32.404 --> 0:17:35.564 been weekend a little bit right, get a little bit weaker. 0:17:35.964 --> 0:17:38.844 Yeah, Let's let's hope the gray zone resolves. 0:17:40.204 --> 0:17:42.844 In a good way and not in the dictatorial way. 0:17:45.484 --> 0:17:48.844 Let's take a little break and talk about something that 0:17:49.084 --> 0:17:52.844 is also newsy but very different. Let's talk about twenty 0:17:52.884 --> 0:18:11.764 three and me. Have you ever given your genetic data 0:18:11.844 --> 0:18:14.564 to a website? 0:18:14.764 --> 0:18:15.644 No, and I don't think. 0:18:15.684 --> 0:18:19.124 I don't think I would neither have I. I am 0:18:19.164 --> 0:18:22.964 one of those people who forever I told everyone in 0:18:23.004 --> 0:18:26.764 my family was like, do not ever upload your genetic 0:18:26.844 --> 0:18:29.884 information to twenty three and meters, to ancestry dot com, 0:18:29.924 --> 0:18:33.204 to any of those, do not give your genetic data 0:18:33.244 --> 0:18:37.524 to any private corporation because of a lot of things. 0:18:37.844 --> 0:18:41.404 First of all, you know obviously data security. Second of all, 0:18:41.524 --> 0:18:44.244 you are not protected. You know, this is not health 0:18:45.084 --> 0:18:48.404 services that hit backed does not protect you whatsoever. And 0:18:48.444 --> 0:18:51.204 it's just it's just dumb. And also you can't see 0:18:51.204 --> 0:18:53.204 the future. We were just talking about being in a 0:18:53.204 --> 0:18:56.444 gray zone politically right now, like, who is your data 0:18:56.484 --> 0:18:59.644 going to be sold to? Potentially? How will it be used? 0:18:59.844 --> 0:19:03.124 How will you potentially be discriminated against in the future 0:19:03.204 --> 0:19:06.524 once we know that ooh, this combination of genes equals 0:19:06.644 --> 0:19:09.724 this in terms of your risk for this disease. And 0:19:09.764 --> 0:19:12.564 so now insurance companies you know, are are going to 0:19:12.604 --> 0:19:15.324 have access to that. You don't know any of this anyway. 0:19:15.364 --> 0:19:19.084 I have never given my genetic information, and I think 0:19:19.084 --> 0:19:22.844 that the risks for individuals at weigh any potential benefits 0:19:22.844 --> 0:19:25.164 of being able to say, oh, look, Nate, you and 0:19:25.244 --> 0:19:28.124 I are twentieth cousins once removed. 0:19:28.364 --> 0:19:29.244 How cool is that? 0:19:30.444 --> 0:19:32.444 Well, people can do that for that reason, for the 0:19:32.524 --> 0:19:35.044 for the what's it called genealogy? Is that? What the 0:19:35.124 --> 0:19:35.964 what do the Mormons do? 0:19:36.004 --> 0:19:41.044 A lot of Oh I don't yeah, genealogy, Yeah, genealogy, Okay, yeah. 0:19:41.564 --> 0:19:44.004 Ancestry dot com is all about so twenty three and 0:19:44.084 --> 0:19:46.764 meter is all about health data. Ancestry dot com is 0:19:46.804 --> 0:19:49.244 all about genealogy. Either way, you have to give your 0:19:49.284 --> 0:19:52.204 genetic information too to do this, and I think people 0:19:52.284 --> 0:19:56.124 did it as kind of a novelty thing curiosity, Right, 0:19:56.164 --> 0:19:59.484 you want to find out stuff. But I think that 0:19:59.564 --> 0:20:03.644 those motivations are not sufficient because of the risks that 0:20:03.684 --> 0:20:04.284 a company it. 0:20:04.884 --> 0:20:06.844 Yeah, I think you could also do genetics reading for 0:20:07.004 --> 0:20:09.004 certain disease. 0:20:10.164 --> 0:20:13.044 I mean they used to be so twenty three and 0:20:13.164 --> 0:20:16.524 meters over promised and under delivered on that front because 0:20:16.564 --> 0:20:20.924 genetics can we just like pause this and go back 0:20:20.964 --> 0:20:23.404 out for a second and say, genetics is really complicated, right, 0:20:23.684 --> 0:20:27.004 and there are very very few genetic conditions where it's 0:20:27.084 --> 0:20:31.084 like this gene maps to this risk. Yes, there are 0:20:31.124 --> 0:20:34.084 a few of them, but it's tiny, tiny, tiny, And 0:20:34.164 --> 0:20:35.924 at first twenty three and me was trying to cover 0:20:36.004 --> 0:20:38.324 everything and be like, oh, well there was one paper 0:20:38.324 --> 0:20:40.724 about this and that, and so you can have false positive, 0:20:40.764 --> 0:20:44.004 false negatives, like just stuff that there wasn't enough data for. 0:20:44.404 --> 0:20:46.884 And then the type of testing they were doing is 0:20:46.924 --> 0:20:49.164 not at the level that you would get if you actually, 0:20:49.244 --> 0:20:52.524 you know, are in a doctor's office health you know 0:20:52.724 --> 0:20:56.204 situation where you're getting screened for all of these things correctly. 0:20:56.444 --> 0:20:59.524 And so there was a lot of uncertainty involved. There's 0:20:59.604 --> 0:21:03.084 a lot of actually ethical gray zones, even if you're 0:21:03.124 --> 0:21:05.764 doing it in a doctor's office, with screening for things 0:21:06.004 --> 0:21:09.284 that are actually pretty black and white, like the BRCA 0:21:09.484 --> 0:21:14.084 gene and breast cancer. Right, there's a lot of kind 0:21:14.084 --> 0:21:17.604 of controversy around well, you know, how do you how 0:21:17.644 --> 0:21:20.724 do you communicate it? You know, do you tell people 0:21:21.324 --> 0:21:22.804 what can they do? What if they didn't want to 0:21:22.844 --> 0:21:25.644