WEBVTT - 50 months for Diddy

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. It is Friday, October third. Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy Combs will be in prison for another three plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Ropes. We

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<v Speaker 1>need some context here. We just got the sentencing for

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Didty Combs. He has been sentenced to four years

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<v Speaker 1>two months in jail. Fifty months total is what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's spent fourteen in jail already. There's time served

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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff or good behavior, But the bottom line, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Sean Didty Combs is going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for years to come.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct, and in fact, there have already been speculation

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<v Speaker 2>that if he has good behavior, he could possibly get

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<v Speaker 2>out in two and a half years. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not what Sean Combs wanted. That's not what his

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<v Speaker 2>defense team wanted, and he seemed he didn't seem he

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<v Speaker 2>seemed disappointed. I guess that's probably the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>put it when the verdict was read. But I know

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<v Speaker 2>that many of you who are following along and watching

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<v Speaker 2>the judges comments as they were coming down through some

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<v Speaker 2>of those live reports from reporters in the courtroom, many

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<v Speaker 2>of us present party included thought that the judge was

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<v Speaker 2>going to go even harsher, was going to add even

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<v Speaker 2>more years. I was actually, in a sense relieved because

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was going to throw the book at

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<v Speaker 2>him by what he was saying leading up to the

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<v Speaker 2>actual sentencing.

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<v Speaker 1>And to a certain degree, Shan Ditecombs and his lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>might feel like the book has been thrown at them

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<v Speaker 1>at him because they were asking for fourteen months. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been in prison for thirteen months already during the trial,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's almost a time serve situation, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>in their minds thinking about him being home maybe immediately

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<v Speaker 1>or at least in time for the holidays, is what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. Ropes. This was a big dramatic moment

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<v Speaker 1>today when it was revealed that he had speaking engagements

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<v Speaker 1>lined up five six of them at a nonprofit that

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<v Speaker 1>works with incosts are in people. So it was still

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be something he was giving back to the community,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was revealed during his sentencing hearing that this

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<v Speaker 1>man whose life is on the line and going possibly

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<v Speaker 1>to prison for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Is already planning being free.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge can't feel good about that now, No end good.

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<v Speaker 2>Calls, and because we had people who were in the

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<v Speaker 2>courtroom watching. He actually his head snapped up, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>is how they described it when the prosecutors dropped that bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think that was a moment where he thought, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good. And it certainly was not a good

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<v Speaker 2>look to have someone who was facing up to eleven

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe even twenty years behind bars already planning or

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<v Speaker 2>assuming that he could be free in a week. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that was not a good look. And it spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to I even said to you, do you think his lawyers,

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<v Speaker 2>people close to him convinced him made him believe that

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<v Speaker 2>he was actually going to be free after this hearing?

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<v Speaker 2>The answer has to be maybe, or even probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Look that look, some of us there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of conversation around the possibility of him going home today

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<v Speaker 1>and if we thought it, you know, that was best

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<v Speaker 1>case scenario. Maybe thought it was pie in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was some part of him who thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>And you do not make possible plans for next week

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<v Speaker 1>and the next two weeks in Miami if you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to prison for a long.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were shocked when you heard that. I was

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<v Speaker 2>shocked when I heard that. I don't think any one

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<v Speaker 2>of us actually thought that was highly likely. Yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a chance, but it was a chance. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was very shocking to hear that he actually thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was significantly more than a chance, enough to actually schedule

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<v Speaker 2>potential speeches outside of prison as a free man in Miami,

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<v Speaker 2>starting to go ahead and give back to the community,

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<v Speaker 2>moving past a prison sentence. That was fairly shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The context there. Yes, the prosecution kind of dropped that

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<v Speaker 1>bomb and let everybody know he had these speaking engagements.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes out and in fact it was a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>Then his attorney explained it later by saying, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>want him to have things to do or to look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to, or to have an anticipation for. Is how

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<v Speaker 1>they explained it. Fine either way, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, it didn't matter much to this Judge Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>We sat here, this is how it happened today in court. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know how long this thing was going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an all day affair.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not anticipate that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't think they were going to have a lunch break.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they took a lunch break and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get settled in here for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but a key component. We had an earlier episode where

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<v Speaker 1>we're explaining what happened previously in court, but here we

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<v Speaker 1>just want to go through what did he said and

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<v Speaker 1>what the judge said. So they requested, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this happens, but the judge granted it. The defense asked, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the prosecution has a rebuttal coming, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to get to have a rebuttal to everything

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<v Speaker 1>the defense did. They said, but we would like and

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<v Speaker 1>we asked that Sean Diddy Combs be allowed to speak

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<v Speaker 1>after the prosecution rebuttal. Point there being the last person

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<v Speaker 1>the judge got to hear from today before he made

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<v Speaker 1>his decision was Sean Diddy Combs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and he had a twelve minute speech so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak to the court where he first of all

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<v Speaker 2>thanked the judge in the court for giving him the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to finally speak, and he talked about how that

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the most difficult parts about the entire trial,

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<v Speaker 2>was not being able to express He said, how sorry

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<v Speaker 2>I am for my actions. I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for giving me the chance to finally speak up for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So we said being quiet, staying quiet was incredibly difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did start off with an apology, which I

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<v Speaker 2>did think was the right call. He apologized for any

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<v Speaker 2>harm or hurt that he caused Cassie ventur Fine. He

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<v Speaker 2>also apologized to Jane, saying that that's of course a

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<v Speaker 2>pseudonym for one of his former girlfriends, that he was

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<v Speaker 2>sorry that I brought you into my mess. He also

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<v Speaker 2>apologized to all victims of domestic violence, citing the video

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<v Speaker 2>that we all saw that was played at nauseum during

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<v Speaker 2>trial of him beating ventur A Cassie Ventur Fine in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen that we saw last year, but certainly was

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<v Speaker 2>the centerpiece perhaps of the prosecution's case against him when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to the violence in which he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to control Cassie and other women.

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<v Speaker 1>That was We've mentioned that again and I said to

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<v Speaker 1>you a moment ago, I mean, he's gotten people going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this. Yes, he was sentenced to four

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<v Speaker 1>years and two months officially for transportation to participate in prostitution.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said to you, a lot of people had

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<v Speaker 1>an issue with him doing a lot of time for

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<v Speaker 1>crimes that he wasn't convicted of, and even in the

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<v Speaker 1>hearing today the judge said, I am going to allow

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<v Speaker 1>conduct that you weren't convicted of to be a factor

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<v Speaker 1>in my sentencing for you, I said to you about

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<v Speaker 1>that video. Man, if everybody was speculating, he's probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get five years six to everybody. Whoever, if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>right now, you've had a conversation with somebody saying, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think he's gonna get four years two months

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<v Speaker 1>that video alone? If you told me you want to

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<v Speaker 1>give him four years, two months, five years, six years

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<v Speaker 1>just for the video of what we saw happening with

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie Venturo, I don't know how you could make an

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<v Speaker 1>argument against that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most people would be okay with that, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the context of that was just one moment,

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<v Speaker 2>that was just one day, that there were countless incidents

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<v Speaker 2>that were similar to that that we didn't see, that

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<v Speaker 2>we would never see. That only she could describe that,

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<v Speaker 2>only she lived through. So but to actually have that

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<v Speaker 2>physical proof that we could actually witness with our own eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't unsee it, and seeing how brutal it was,

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<v Speaker 2>how vicious it was, I do believe that the sentence

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<v Speaker 2>that was handed down today, I agree with you by

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at that video, I don't think many people

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<v Speaker 2>could argue that that wasn't a just sentence, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it were just for that particular singular moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a human being, You're not that was just awful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to stick with all of us. But just that,

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<v Speaker 1>and again, a lot of the legales we don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>and what's right and the man act and all this

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. What we understand is not all the

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<v Speaker 1>racketeering and all No, what we understand is that this

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<v Speaker 1>man we see beating a woman, This man we hear

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<v Speaker 1>in court day and day out. A lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>was not disputed. Harassing, abusing, assaulting.

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<v Speaker 2>Threatening women, yes, and people right kicking someone while they're down.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is kind of one of the lowest

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<v Speaker 2>things you can do to someone. And that is actually

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<v Speaker 2>what we witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, I know his family is hurting, but on

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<v Speaker 1>a human level, And even if you don't understand all

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<v Speaker 1>the legal back and forth, you don't have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is unjust like he got too much. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say that. You can make an argument

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't get enough. But it's difficult to make an

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<v Speaker 1>argument right Robes that yes, he's got too much time

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<v Speaker 1>with the judge was too harsh on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a very fair way to

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<v Speaker 2>look at it. I mean, everyone's going to have their

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<v Speaker 2>individual opinion, but I do think that, and again, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the judge was building it up. We were actually

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<v Speaker 2>at the edge of our seats looking and refreshing to

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<v Speaker 2>get the court room reporters like minute by minute, blow

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<v Speaker 2>by blow, what's happening in court, And when you were

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<v Speaker 2>hearing what the judge was saying, it seemed as though

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to be much harsher.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, he might actually get

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<v Speaker 2>ten years, he might get seven years. We were really

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that. So then when he ended up saying fifty months,

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<v Speaker 2>it actually felt like a little bit of a relief, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be that much. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>we really processed it, it actually felt pretty fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say a relief? Not that we wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>to get what I'm saying, what you were saying, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're saying that we for a

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<v Speaker 1>moment while the judge was speaking, said, holy hell, he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to give him more than the eleven Yes, like

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<v Speaker 1>he was sounding that harsh yes to where we thought

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy was going away for a long decades.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have been sent away for twenty years period.

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<v Speaker 2>That absolutely could have happened, and that was within the

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<v Speaker 2>judge's discretion to do that. So it was possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So Didy in making his what was it twelve minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>they said it was well. They spoke to the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I asked your honor for the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>be a father again. I asked your honor for the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to be a son again. I asked your honor

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<v Speaker 1>for the chance to be a leader in my community again.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked for a chance to get the help that

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<v Speaker 1>I desperately need to become a better person, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to let God down. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>let my family down. I would have robes that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine what this was like to hear him speak

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<v Speaker 1>in that quote room.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually used the word beg. He begged the judge

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<v Speaker 2>for mercy. That was a very humble moment. I do

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate what he said as well, when he said I

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<v Speaker 2>can't change the past, but can change the future. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's when he said, I asked your honor for mercy.

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<v Speaker 2>I beg your honor for mercy to be a father again,

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<v Speaker 2>a son again, and be a leader in my community again,

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<v Speaker 2>and get the help I desperately need. So that I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was a heartfelt moment. When he, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned in the episode earlier, like some of his

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<v Speaker 2>pleas for mercy, with some of the highly produced video

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<v Speaker 2>that he sent and some of the things he said

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<v Speaker 2>in his letter, I was a little bit turned off by.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think he did humble himself in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the court. Not that it meant that he should

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten off or away or let out immediately, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that it did feel heartfelt. It did

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<v Speaker 2>feel authentic.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge though, as we mentioned, he certainly built this

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<v Speaker 1>thing up, and there was anticipation, and you could tell,

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<v Speaker 1>really almost robes from the moment the hearings started this

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<v Speaker 1>morning at ten o'clock. Things were not gonna go Sean

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<v Speaker 1>diddy Combe's way. And then once we did start hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from the judge, right before he was going to announce

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty months sentence, you would have been convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>this judge was about to throw the book. Yep. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that the phrase yes, throw the book at Diddy, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you stay here after the break what the joke

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<v Speaker 1>judge said that had us thinking, did he was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go away for eleven, twelve, fifteen years? Even? Stay here?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, we continue now, Seawan Didty Combs fifty

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<v Speaker 1>months in prison? That is his sentence. That equates to

0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.400
<v Speaker 1>four years and two months. Do the math with the

0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.160
<v Speaker 1>thirteen almost coming up on fourteen months he's already done,

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean about another three years in prison for

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<v Speaker 1>Sean did He Combs. I don't know the math. Good behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've been looking into this. He could potentially get

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<v Speaker 1>out two and.

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<v Speaker 2>A half years, is what a lot of folks think.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be in prison for another thirty months or so,

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<v Speaker 2>give or take.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So that is what we know now of

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<v Speaker 1>this whole ordeal. Yes, Shawn Combs is going to PRIs

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<v Speaker 1>this medium mogul, the guy who has who literally was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of changing the game and music changing what

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop, taking hip around the world. This guy is

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<v Speaker 1>an icon in the industry and one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>self made entrepreneurs we have ever seen in hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to prison for three years excuse me, forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty months, fifty months, but so it'll be a total four. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to make sure I continue to stay clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the judge when he started, so did he got

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<v Speaker 1>to speak. He was the last person to speak before

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<v Speaker 1>the judge got to speak. And roads when the judge started,

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<v Speaker 1>our eye rives started like wait, whoa wait, and then

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<v Speaker 1>every update we got was worse than the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct or did he at least yes? Because he said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm considering the fact that you're a self made artist.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm considering the fact that you've inspired and lifted up

0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.400
<v Speaker 2>your community. He noted his philanthropic work, his devotion to

0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.480
<v Speaker 2>his family, his work battling his own drug addiction. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is when you get the butt. However, the court

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<v Speaker 2>has to consider all of your history here and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>a hit, this is this is an important phrase, and

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<v Speaker 2>we went, oh, no, a history of good works can't

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<v Speaker 2>wash away the record in this case, which shows that

0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you abuse the power and control over the lives of

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<v Speaker 2>women who you professed to love.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard that though, whoa uh, oh, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is not going his way.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when he said this was subjugation, and it

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<v Speaker 2>drove both Miss Ventura and Jane to thoughts of ending

0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.920
<v Speaker 2>their lives. That was significant. I thought, my goodness, he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually almost accusing him of attempted murder in a way.

0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.760
<v Speaker 2>That was what he's like, You are responsible for their

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<v Speaker 2>feelings of suicide. And so then he went on to

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<v Speaker 2>say the court is not assured that if released, these

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<v Speaker 2>crimes will not be committed again. That one was a doozy.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it earlier, and it's weird to say this

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<v Speaker 1>about this particular judge on brand. This dude has been consistent,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that all You really want to be treated You

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<v Speaker 1>want to be treated fairly, but you want a guy

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<v Speaker 1>to be consistent. And he has been consistent because they

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<v Speaker 1>have been asking and asking and asking since this trial

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<v Speaker 1>started in beforehand. Please let did he go home. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>do anything you want, give any money, you want, any ankle, monitoring,

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<v Speaker 1>any security. Just let him go home. And every turn

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<v Speaker 1>the judge said, nope, I am not convinced this dude

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<v Speaker 1>ain't a threat.

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<v Speaker 2>He also, this was really powerful when the judge rejected

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that Diddy was a casual consumer of prostitution services.

0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, they were trying to say that he was

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<v Speaker 2>an amateur, a John or an amateur porn producer, whatever

0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.280
<v Speaker 2>they were trying to say. But the judge said this,

0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you were no John. You were more than that. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if your currency was satisfying your sexual desires instead of money.

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<v Speaker 2>That hit because that was the big argument with the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't profit from this. He didn't earn money from

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<v Speaker 2>from putting his girlfriends out or having some sort of process.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no there was no financial gain from him

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<v Speaker 2>for him, and so the judge said, your currency was

0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 2>satisfying your sexual desires. And honestly, that did ring true.

0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.479
<v Speaker 1>And this is all star starting to pile up. We

0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.479
<v Speaker 1>were sitting and watching we just we had and we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to say thank you to CBS, to CNN, to

0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.200
<v Speaker 1>New York Times, Post, New York Times, at the NBC News.

0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.159
<v Speaker 1>We had all five of y'all's live feeds up and

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.240
<v Speaker 1>we were depending on those reporters to give us infos

0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that we want to say thank you to you all,

0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.679
<v Speaker 1>and we're passing this stuff along. But as we were

0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:38.159
<v Speaker 1>keeping up robes, the judge like are We were like,

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.920
<v Speaker 1>holy hell, he is about to really throw the book

0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 1>at this guy. But then he took moments and what

0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.919
<v Speaker 1>he was saying to acknowledge that Diddy is influential, that

0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.480
<v Speaker 1>he is iconic, that he has been good to the community.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where it turned, and we thought, oh,

0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's balancing this thing out, Maybe it won't be

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<v Speaker 1>so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>He acknowledged that it was impressive what he had been

0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.880
<v Speaker 2>able to accomplish in the fact that his father had

0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.280
<v Speaker 2>died in early violent death and the trauma that must

0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.879
<v Speaker 2>have been left, So he was acknowledging what did he

0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.080
<v Speaker 2>had been through as a child. But then he said

0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.120
<v Speaker 2>his sentence was going to send a message to abusers

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<v Speaker 2>and victims alike that exploitation and violence against women is

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<v Speaker 2>met with real accountability. We were up and down, like

0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.320
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna go No, he's gonna go hard. Well, maybe

0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:26.879
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna give him a break. Oh my god, No,

0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.920
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna throw the We were back and forth because

0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the judge really did cover so many different bases when

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<v Speaker 2>he was leading up to the sentencing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people might have applauded that sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making that sentence, and that sentiment like, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>do need to send a message legally speaking? Is that

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a part of I mean, the judge had discretion in

0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>what he could do. He knew the guidelines, but he,

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, thought it was important to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, he acknowledged that everybody's watching this and think

0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that these victims have not been heard, that haven't been respected.

0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And he added that line, I think to cover a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of basis.

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<v Speaker 2>He did so. Yes, he sentenced Sean Comes to fifty months.

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>He imposed a fine of half a million dollars. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I actually really loved what this judge did next.

0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.560
<v Speaker 2>First he addressed Cassie Ventura, and he says, and the

0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 2>other brave survivors that came forward, I want to say, first,

0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.040
<v Speaker 2>we heard you. I thought that was pretty cool, he said,

0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I am proud of you for coming to the court

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the world what really happened. You weren't just

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to the twelve folks in the jury box. You

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.560
<v Speaker 2>were speaking to the millions of women out there who

0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.879
<v Speaker 2>have been victims, but who feel invisible and powerless and

0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.720
<v Speaker 2>have had to suffer in silence. You gave them a voice.

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.240
<v Speaker 2>You stood up to power. It's not easy. You told

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>those women in the world that violence behind closed doors

0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to stay hidden forever. The number of people

0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 2>who you reached is incalculable. There are millions of survivors

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.560
<v Speaker 2>out there. Most of those people will never speak up

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.159
<v Speaker 2>about their abuse. The consequences are often tragic, as they

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>were in this case. I know you still bear the

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>trauma of what happened to you. You likely always will.

0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 2>But what you've taught us here by coming forward is

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that even if you were a victim, you don't always

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.439
<v Speaker 2>have to be. That gave me chills.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have to say that. That was powerful. He

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 1>gets it. He didn't have to say that. He chose

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.959
<v Speaker 1>to say that. To say those words, and not just

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to the women in this case, he sent that message

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to the women of this country.

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 2>And as kind as he was to them, and as

0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.600
<v Speaker 2>reassuring he was to the people out there who are victims,

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 2>he also then softened his tone towards Ditty next, and

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was also pretty cool for him to

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>be able to strike that balance between both the victims

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and then Ditty himself. And he told Diddy, there is

0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 2>light at the end of this tunnel. You and your

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>family will get through this. I thought that was a

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>cool thing to say, as well, knowing and noting that

0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Diddy was visibly disappointed and visibly upset about what had happened.

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Tough day for that family, and just an awful, I

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.919
<v Speaker 1>mean awful couple of decades of experiences around Sean Dittycomb's

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.320
<v Speaker 1>someone who, yes, I have looked up to since I

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.399
<v Speaker 1>was in high school, and to be sitting here reporting

0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.639
<v Speaker 1>about this, I think none of us expected anything like this.

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>But it is a tragedy all around. Yeah, it's a tragedy.

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this with the story with the raising

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.120
<v Speaker 1>money for the family of the shooter, and right there

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 1>are victims all around, including a two year old baby

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>whose daddy is going to who has been who's going

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to end up in prison more than she's been alive

0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.199
<v Speaker 1>correct by the time he gets out. Right, So there

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.040
<v Speaker 1>are victims all around. This is just a sad, awful

0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.120
<v Speaker 1>story for everybody. Who do you feel sorry for? You're

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to have sympathy for him, but this isn't

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 1>This is another I'm thinking about all these stories and

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.679
<v Speaker 1>downfalls of powerful people. We've learned so much and I

0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know what we're gonna get from this later, but Robes,

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I have had some conversations here on the podcast with

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.439
<v Speaker 1>you about this story. I've had very I've had private

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 1>conversations with you about this, but there there are important conversations,

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what we're going to do and

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>what people are going to do with this because it

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.239
<v Speaker 1>was all jokes about baby oil and whatnot. This is

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>such an important story and experience that we have all

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 1>just done. We've witnessed, I mean, Cassie, the victims we

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.679
<v Speaker 1>went through, who is really a victim? Like, what do

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>we learn now that we can now apply to the

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.440
<v Speaker 1>next story and the next victim and the next person

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.240
<v Speaker 1>who speaks out? What can the next powerful man learn

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.200
<v Speaker 1>about this type of thing? And you shouldn't have to

0:22:58.280 --> 0:22:59.919
<v Speaker 1>learn from this, You shouldn't do this type of behavior.

0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying this is just I'm kind of glad

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it's over, but I am hopeful but also nervous about

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the lessons that we're going to learn from.

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's funny you just said that because I loved the

0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.879
<v Speaker 2>judge's last line, because it was hopeful and it was

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>about lessons. He said directly to Diddy, you will have

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a chance to show your children and the world what

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 2>real accountability, change and healing can look like. Court is adjourned.

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Man it just doesn't have to start today with you

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>being home.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>What a story, what a life? What an experience? What

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary individual? What a downfall? We say, now Rose,

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.879
<v Speaker 1>But the story isn't over. Is there a contribution shown

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.439
<v Speaker 1>Ditty Combs can make to the community moving forward? The

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>answer is yes, it actually is. Yeah, whatever he decides

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to do. But in the interim, in the short term,

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>one of the most iconic individuals to ever participate in

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>hip hop is gone. It's over, it's done. That part

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of his life is over. What's the next part? Is

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it going to be a contribution?

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>It could be a beautiful second half of his life.

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 2>It could be he's fifty five, he'll be out when

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>he's fifty seven to fifty eight. He has potentially another

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 2>four decades to do good in the world and to

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 2>be the man that he says he wants to be

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that he's becoming through all of this, and we're rooting

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 2>for him.

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the probably people hear that and go, wait

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a minute, no, this is a human story. Cassie moves

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 1>her family out of New York for fear of this guy.

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>You got Jane, you got Mia, We've heard these horrific stories.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Their lives go now rope. Do they feel a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of relief or are they freaking out encircling the calendar

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<v Speaker 1>of when he's going to get out because they're still worried? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>lives were forever changed by this. Look our lives. I

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<v Speaker 1>could not believe we're sitting here. Our whole day has been.

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<v Speaker 2>This, Yes, but I have I feel like I've been

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<v Speaker 2>on a roller coaster. I know you have too, But

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel like these are the moments where we

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<v Speaker 2>can make a decision to learn from all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>to learn from others' mistakes, to reflect within, to think

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<v Speaker 2>about the things we've done that we're not proud of,

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<v Speaker 2>and just choose to do better and be better. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to fall down, but I do think that I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in redemption. I do believe in rehabilitation. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anyone is a lost cause. Very few people there

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<v Speaker 2>are some, of course, But I do choose to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that there could be good that comes out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, folks, it has been a hell of a ride,

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<v Speaker 1>but there you are. Sean Diddy Combs has been sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty months in prison. That's four years and two months.

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<v Speaker 1>He has served about thirteen fourteen months already, so he'll

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<v Speaker 1>get credit for that time served, so that means about

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<v Speaker 1>three years he is expected to still be in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a at times, robes those day and

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<v Speaker 1>day outs of the listenings of the trial was hard

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<v Speaker 1>to stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was, but we got through it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do think we're all the wiser for it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that those women, those very strong women,

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<v Speaker 2>that is not easy to do what Cassie did, to

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<v Speaker 2>do what Jane did, to do what the other victims did,

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<v Speaker 2>and under that kind of scrutiny, with that kind of pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>with the world watching about a man that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people love, admire, respect and don't want to believe

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<v Speaker 2>the worst of like that is a very tough position

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<v Speaker 2>to be in. And I applaud them, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't deter anyone else who's the victim of

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<v Speaker 2>abuse to come forward, because I do feel like today's

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<v Speaker 2>verdict was a victory in believing people when they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what they've been through and they have the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to speak up and to speak out, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that we did gain a lot throughout this,

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<v Speaker 2>even though, it was a very difficult road to travel.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that, thank you for listening to us. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>I made me Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you soon.