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Speaker 2: Did a thirty two year old mother lounge and frolic

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Speaker 2: on a Puerto Rican beach while her little baby died

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Speaker 2: in a playpen. As a matter of fact, I don't

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Speaker 2: like listening to it, but as I've told so many juries,

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Speaker 2: I can't even count them anymore. You can't turn away

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Speaker 2: from the evidence. You're on this jury. You're in the

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Speaker 2: box and you have to look at it and you

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Speaker 2: have to listen to it, whether you hate it or not.

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Speaker 2: I have listened over and over to a neighbor's ring

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Speaker 2: doorbell cam. You can't see anything, but I can hear.

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Speaker 2: I can hear reportedly baby Jalen screaming. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: on about day three of no food, no water, no mommy,

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Speaker 2: no daddy, no nothing. Now I'm going to find out

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Speaker 2: from a veteran investigative reporter, is it true that this

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Speaker 2: little baby girl, just sixteen months old, was found in

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Speaker 2: a playpen like a pack and play, with excrement, her

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Speaker 2: own faces, her own poop smeared on her lips, in

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Speaker 1: Is this real?

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Speaker 2: And joining us today is the man who defends mommy,

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer joining us Derek Smith again, I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 2: Brace yourself and you've got to listen really carefully to

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Speaker 2: hear what I believe is baby Jayleen screaming from mommy. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you have to listen very carefully. But I hear baby

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Speaker 2: Jayleen screaming for mommy. Did mommy actually go this? Ohio?

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Speaker 2: Mom to lounge and frolic? And I say frolic because

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Speaker 2: dancing on a beach in Puerto Rico. There she is,

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Speaker 2: beautiful young woman. My boy, can looks be deceiving? Is

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Speaker 2: that Crystal Candelario on a Puerto Rican beach? If so,

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Speaker 2: where's baby? Where's baby Jayleen? Where is her other seven

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Speaker 2: year old daughter? Joining me in all star panel to

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Speaker 2: makes sense of what we know? But right now, but

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Speaker 2: this is this is what I understand to Sea New Yorker,

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Speaker 2: joining US anchor and multimedia reporter at wo Io Siah,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Let me understand something.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to play a nine to one one call.

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Speaker 2: Now is this nine one one call? I want you

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Speaker 2: what happens when mommy finally drags home.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what does.

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Speaker 2: She think was going to happen? Leaving her baby alone

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Speaker 2: for ten days? Okay, Sea, New Yorker joining US w

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Speaker 2: O I O t V. See again, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. When was the night on one call?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 3: It was made the day she came back on June sixteenth,

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Speaker 3: And again, prosecutors told us that that nine one one

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Speaker 3: the baby. So the baby Jalen had.

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Speaker 1: Already stop stop stop stop? Uh oh See New Yorker,

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Speaker 2: Just say after she refter dressed the baby, after.

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Speaker 3: She redressed the baby, And that was new information that

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Speaker 3: came out in court? And I felt I watched people

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were just shocked. That was shocking information.

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith, did you know the allegation that your client

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Speaker 2: came home?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Wait, sees the baby, then redresses the baby and nice

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Speaker 5: It did not happen?

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Speaker 1: That did not happen?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, guys, Derek Smith wins a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did you just see him? Look, look, look right

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Speaker 1: at me and go that didn't happen. That did not happen.

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Speaker 2: You know what, if I'm ever charged with a felony,

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Speaker 2: I'm calling Derek Smith. He looked right at the camera

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Speaker 2: more of that nine one one called Brace Yourself.

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Speaker 1: Derek Smith? Why why? Why? Why? Because you left her

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Speaker 1: alone for ten days? That's why? Why? Why?

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Speaker 2: Again, why is your client screaming into nine on one climbing?

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Speaker 1: Why? Why? Why? When she left the baby alone for

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Speaker 6: There's more to that nine one one call to that

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Speaker 6: on Jayleen after that when Jayleen, you know, according to

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Speaker 5: Her finger and she was saying that she still was

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Speaker 2: And you say gone, I know what that means, because

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Speaker 2: let's just force ourselves to say the truth. Derek Smith

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Speaker 2: is a high profile lawyer who represents Crystal Candelario. When

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Speaker 2: To doctor Eric Easton, doctor Eric Easton joining US Board

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Speaker 2: Certified Forensic Pathologist and consultant on Facebook. Eric August Easton,

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Speaker 2: doctor Ason, thank you for being with us. How long

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Speaker 2: No, if the baby had a bottle of formula, or

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called killer Ohio mom,

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Speaker 2: Crystal Candelario lounges on a Puerto Rican beach after leaving

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Speaker 1: Just a few months old, for ten days.

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Speaker 2: And oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know how many

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Speaker 2: people across this country would pay lots of money to

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Speaker 2: have a beautiful baby like that? Okay, what more do

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Speaker 2: we know? Listen to Dave Matt Crime Online.

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Speaker 8: Crystal Candelaria is off on a ten day whirlwind of

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Speaker 8: adventure in romance. Ring doorbell video from a neighbor shows

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Speaker 8: Candelaria hauling her suitcase to a car as she heads

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Speaker 8: of her trip about her best life adventure back at

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Speaker 8: That same ring doorbell camera that catches Candelaria loading her

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Speaker 8: the faint sounds of a crying baby.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've played it for you. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: play it again. Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidie Green, clinical psychologist and trauma specialist, author of

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Speaker 2: The Path to Self Love and World Domination. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I want to go that far. You can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Heidigreen dot com. Doctor Heidie, thank

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Speaker 1: Being with us. What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: A world wind trip of adventure and romance? Earlier this morning,

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Speaker 2: I could hardly think straight because I know my daughter

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Speaker 2: Ap literature test and she worked her fingers to the

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Speaker 2: bone for days. She's been studying till eleven thirty and

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Speaker 2: but I was worried about them, and there was nothing

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Speaker 2: very very difficult cult trial. How do you leave for

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Speaker 2: that happen? Adventure and romance my rear end.

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Speaker 9: It's unfathomable, truly, And when we're looking at it from

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not a shrink. You are the high profile

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Speaker 2: His client was frolicking on the beach doing jigs and dances.

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Speaker 1: Know, a yoga stretch. Stop a mommy. She just not

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Speaker 2: If you can wind your way through an airport like

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Speaker 9: very likely to result in that child's death. Now, does

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Speaker 9: she have a mental illness is a different question. But

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Speaker 9: even people who have depression, anxiety, even more serious mental

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Speaker 2: You just heard a high profile clinical psychologist, doctor Heidie Green,

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Speaker 2: state that, hey, did she not understand baby dies after

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Speaker 2: you leave it the line for ten days?

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Speaker 1: Halla, Why do you think he threw.

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Speaker 2: A bottle of formula in there and some crackers because

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Speaker 1: Of course, she knows the baby's gonna get hungry. She

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Speaker 2: They're in Ohio, Sia, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: This woman is in no way mentally or emotionally deficient.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, Siah, what can you tell me about this woman?

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Speaker 3: What I could tell you is that, you know, during

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Speaker 3: No one was buying that. And you know, this is

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you on that, Derek Smith.

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Speaker 2: Before I go to bury Golden from US Marshalls Service,

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Speaker 2: mental deficiency like that I don't know about. Was she

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Speaker 1: To night faces?

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's what we were searching for. The State.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I got to write that down. Borderline?

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Speaker 2: What borderline personality disorder?

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Speaker 1: Can you name.

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Speaker 2: One person, one person you graduated with from law school

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sets in.

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Speaker 1: You know, did it?

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Speaker 2: I mean that would throw me over the edge. Personality disorder?

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Speaker 2: What personality disorder? Let me cross examining you just a minute.

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Speaker 2: What personality disorder?

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Speaker 1: Do this woman have? Just a disorder?

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Speaker 6: Well, she was hospitalized in February four what she thought

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Speaker 5: Her parents took her.

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Speaker 1: She seemed to have gotten over that on the beach.

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Speaker 2: In Case says, nothing was numb on that beach, all right.

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Speaker 1: So what's the personality disorder? Histrionic? Maybe extreme narcissist. Wait, Derek,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, You're not going to win on a narcissistic

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Speaker 2: So somebody thinking of just himself, that's not convincing me.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else you can throw at me? Come on,

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Speaker 5: What is that they're off brand?

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Speaker 6: There was a medical record that she was abusing them.

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Speaker 6: She ran out when she shouldn't have, but they refilled it.

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Speaker 2: I contain you this much, Derek Smith. She is feeling

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Speaker 2: no pain in these selfies or on the beach. So

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Speaker 2: you're and again this is why he wins cases. He

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Speaker 2: was an epileptic and a flexor what was that.

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Speaker 4: For, Derek?

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Speaker 5: They treated that all headaches for.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So that is not a personality disorder, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Heidie Green just in the gyuest, No, does that equal

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Speaker 1: No, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Joining you right now is Barry Golden, former Senior inspector

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service, owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations.

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Speaker 1: Mary Golden.

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Speaker 2: This woman was in Puerto Rico, isn't it true? I

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Speaker 2: mean you've gone all over the world apprehending violent fellas.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it True's true?

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Speaker 2: When you leave, for instance, the Ohio airport, and you

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Speaker 2: You have to go through to get into Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 2: even though it's one of our territories. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: That is true? Nancy, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 10: And those are the things that I thought of when

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Speaker 10: And then she completely forgot about it, packed her luggage,

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Speaker 10: a normal mental capacity do go through TSA hop on

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Speaker 10: It took her ten days until she finds out and

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear Anna Faraglia, the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Listen to what she said.

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Speaker 11: Crystal Candelaria loved the stainable. On six ' four, twenty

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Speaker 11: Unbeknownst to miss Candelario, her neighbors had ring doorbell, and

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Speaker 11: the Cleveland Police Department Homicide Unit has gone.

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Speaker 7: Through six hundred and forty eight.

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Speaker 2: The state goes through nearly seven hundred hours of ring

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Speaker 7: Listen with regards to Miss Candelaria.

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Speaker 11: She returns to Caiaga County on six ' six at

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Speaker 1: In Cleveland, SIA.

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Speaker 2: Could you describe the condition Jayleen was in when authorities

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Speaker 3: It was it was heartbreaking. They found the baby severely dehydrated, starved,

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Speaker 2: This little girl's cries echoed through the streets of her.

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Speaker 2: This baby girl whimpered, she screamed, she howled, she cried,

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Speaker 2: Crystal Candelario, was away on a ten day summer vacation

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Speaker 2: That's all the sixteen month old baby girl screaming, including

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Speaker 2: Were Apparently the baby tried to eat her own feces

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Speaker 2: death by starvation or dehydration is a slow and painful death.

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Speaker 2: According to documents we've managed to obtain, this little sixteen

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Speaker 11: So when we look at these are items from her phone,

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Speaker 7: Having a good time with.

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Speaker 11: These pictures show somebody who is showing some discretion and

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Speaker 1: What is she talking about? Items from mommy's phone.

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Speaker 3: all of the evidence. What were the pictures and photos

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Speaker 3: she was on the beach, She was you know, with

444
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Speaker 3: different friends. She was smiling, she was taking selfies, she

445
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Speaker 3: was having a you know, it looked like she was

446
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Speaker 3: having a lovely time.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Derek Smith, you got assigned.

449
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: You you took this case.

450
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Speaker 2: How do you and I'm going to withhold judgment. I'm

451
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: curious how do you fight a case?

452
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Uh?

453
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Speaker 2: Your defense is going to be some sort of mental

454
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Speaker 2: impairment or as you said, personally disorder where a jury

455
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: is going to say, hey, do I believe you are

456
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: my lion eyes when I'm looking at all these selfies

457
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Speaker 2: and the good times she's having in Puerto Rico.

458
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Speaker 1: Hey, you ever been through you ever been on the

459
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Speaker 1: international flight?

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Speaker 9: I have.

461
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: I took one recently and nearly got arrested in Aruba

462
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Speaker 2: with Nalie Holloway's mother.

463
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Speaker 1: It's taking them all this time.

464
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Speaker 2: They still having arrested Gorn Vandersloop for murder, but they

465
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: wanted to arrest me and Natalie's mother. That said, I

466
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: had to go through a lot of cr ap crap

467
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: to get to Aruba, through customs, through this, through that.

468
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Speaker 2: How do you fight a case full of phone evidence

469
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Speaker 2: when and you're claiming personality disorder?

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Speaker 5: You don't.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? You don't You can't.

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Speaker 5: You can't fight obvious facts.

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Speaker 6: I mean you go in there and try to make

474
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Speaker 6: up stories that are totally off somewhere. No one's going

475
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 6: to believe. You're gonna lose your credibility right from the start.

476
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 6: You cannot dispute intersputable facts. It just can't happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, You're right, Derek, And I think

478
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: that's why you win so many cases, because you take

479
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: what you've got and then you work with that and

480
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: you spin it into the best scenario that you can

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Speaker 2: so working with these facts, I hear doctor Heidi Green

482
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Speaker 2: jumping in, go ahead, doctor Green.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I just wanted to mention that people with personality

484
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Speaker 9: disorders are everywhere.

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Speaker 7: They aren't murdering people.

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Speaker 9: It's a fairly common mental health condition, as is anxiety,

487
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 9: as is depression. And even if this mother had let's say,

488
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Speaker 9: all of the mental health conditions that have been thrown

489
00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 9: out here, drug abuse, depression, narcissistic personality, borderline personality disorder,

490
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 9: none of these things make a person a murderer. And

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Speaker 9: what's important to remember is that she had ten days here.

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Speaker 7: All she needed was one second, one second.

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Speaker 9: Of clarity that said, oh my gosh, I need to

494
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Speaker 9: tell someone.

495
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 7: I need to tell someone i'm with. I need to

496
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Speaker 7: call nine one one.

497
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Speaker 9: I need to call my doctor, I need to call

498
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Speaker 9: a family member. She wasn't psychotic, at least her attorney

499
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 9: hasn't said that. She didn't suffer from a cognitive impairment.

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Speaker 9: At least her attorney hasn't said that, And so it's

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Speaker 9: difficult to believe that, even if she had multiple mental

502
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Speaker 9: health conditions, that over the course of ten days, she

503
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Speaker 9: didn't have a single second of clarity that would result

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Speaker 9: in her telling someone that her baby needed help.

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to prosecutor Anna for Auglia.

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Speaker 11: Now we turned our attention to June sixteenth, at seven

507
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 11: point thirty six am. She is back in Cayahaga County.

508
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 11: Her car reappears in front of her house. She goes

509
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Speaker 11: in and she finds her daughter dead. She takes the

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Speaker 11: time to redress her.

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Speaker 7: And then she calls nine to.

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Speaker 1: One one Barry Golden.

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith contests that he is Kendeloreo's lawyer. He said

514
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Speaker 2: the redressing did not occur, and there's a reason he's

515
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: picking that particular fact to dispute his claim is that

516
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Speaker 2: defense claim is that his client had multiple personality disorders

517
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Speaker 2: as she was possibly abusing prescription drugs that put her

518
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Speaker 2: in an altered mental state. He is contesting. He's going

519
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Speaker 2: along with the photo evidence that he cannot refute. He's

520
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: going along with the text evidence that he cannot refute.

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Speaker 2: But he is challenging that one fact by the prosecutor

522
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Speaker 2: for a very critical reason because if his client took

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Speaker 2: the time in a moment of lucidity and sanity to

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Speaker 2: redress the child, Barry and she clearly knew the implications

525
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Speaker 2: of what she had done and tried to cover it up.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, disagree? And why why would.

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Speaker 10: The prosecutor bring those facts into a court of law

528
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Speaker 10: to a judge if they weren't true. The investigators went

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Speaker 10: to that crime scene, and that would have been easy

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Speaker 10: to determine whether those clothes have been on that child

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Speaker 10: for ten days with feces and all this stuff all

532
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Speaker 10: over the clothes, or if the clothes were clean. That's

533
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 10: clear and concise evidence right there that either she changed

534
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 10: the child or they were feces. If this child had

535
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Speaker 10: feces in her mouth, on her body everywhere, they would

536
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 10: have been on the as well. And if these clothes

537
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 10: were clean, then she obviously changed the baby. I don't

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Speaker 10: know why the prosecutor would present these facts in a

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Speaker 10: court room to the judge if they weren't facts that

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Speaker 10: came from the investigators.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear Candelorio on BODYCM what

542
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: she says to police when they arrived.

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Speaker 1: Listen last night.

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Speaker 4: She was screaming.

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Speaker 7: And I see one moment when I was staying take

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Speaker 7: a shower knee and she was she was screaming.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how.

548
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 7: Believe she getting pain?

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: Okay about what time was that last night?

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Speaker 13: Maybe I would say it, yeah, okay, So she was screaming,

551
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 13: you know, for page in this morning when I would up,

552
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 13: you know, I said, I took her into one.

553
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 11: When I see her.

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00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: Seeing New Yorker joining US anchor multimedia reporter WIOTV there

555
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: in this jurisdiction, Sia. Now I know hearing that statement

556
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: that his client gave to police was like a knife

557
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: to the heart because you can no longer claim, hey,

558
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: she's not lucid, she's crazy. She's on these mats, she's

559
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Speaker 2: not supposed to be on them. She's out of her mind,

560
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: personality disorder, migraines. Here she is flying out, lying and

561
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: very lucid and coherent, and I would like to say,

562
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Speaker 2: very articulate as she lies to her teeth about being

563
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Speaker 2: there the night before.

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Speaker 1: What is this statement? What does it mean? Sea New Yorker?

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Speaker 3: The video doesn't lie. There were videos, there were phone calls,

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Speaker 3: there were records, the photos. You know, she's sitting there

567
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: telling the investigators this story, sorry, and it's not matching up.

568
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: And they know it. They know it's not matching up.

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Speaker 3: It didn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Two, doctor Eric Eson, renowned pathologist and consultant. Doctor Eson.

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00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: We have been talking about the mom and how she

572
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: lied and her romantic getaway with an unnamed male boyfriend.

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00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: But I want to bring us back to reality.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know this is a part of your job that

576
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Speaker 2: you don't like, and I know, Derek Smith, that you

577
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: don't want to hear this, But these are the facts.

578
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: How would Jayleen have been found? What state would she

579
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: have been in? You heard emaciated, this little baby's eyes

580
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: sunken in, feces under her nails, in her mouth, dried

581
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: where apparently she was trying to eat anything she could find.

582
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Speaker 4: Describe the saying, h well, we heard a lot about it,

583
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Speaker 4: you know, feces in the in the bascinette, or it

584
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: was the pack and play I think it was. You know,

585
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: this question about the clothing and whether she was redressed,

586
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: A lot of that is going to be found in

587
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: the autops of report. So it's going to describe whatever

588
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: clothing the child was wearing when death occurred, And there's

589
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: going to be clues in the autops of your report

590
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: about when the death actually occurred. So if the death occurred,

591
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: you know, several days before being found, then you're probably

592
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 4: going to start seeing signs of decomposition on the body,

593
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Speaker 4: skin discoloration, and what we call skin slippage, where the

594
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: skin will start to peel off itself.

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Speaker 2: As please don't trip over that so lightly skin as

596
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: you say, and this is certainly a euphemism skin slippage

597
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: that sounds like nada, your your your skirt slipped, But

598
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: this is when you're skin comes apart your you're decaying

599
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: and your.

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Speaker 4: Skin peels off itself, Yes, slips right right and see.

601
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 4: And it's rare to see signs of decomposition in an

602
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: infant or a child because most of these deaths occur

603
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Speaker 4: and the child will be found within minutes or hours later.

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: So you have infants found in an unsafe sleep environment,

605
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: you know, when the death occurs, you know, minutes or

606
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: hours later they're found. But it's rare to have a

607
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: child or an infant be found decomposing.

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Speaker 7: It's pretty rare.

609
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 4: And that's what you're going to see when the body

610
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Speaker 4: starts decomposing.

611
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Speaker 2: Derek Smith is a very well known defense attorney who

612
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: took on Crystal Candelario's case. Derek, I just got to

613
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: ask you something you got in court and you gave

614
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Speaker 2: it your all.

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Speaker 1: You did everything you could for her.

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Speaker 2: Not this case, because I know you can't comment on

617
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Speaker 2: this case, but how do you deal with defending other

618
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Speaker 2: cases with such disturbing facts? Because I know, as a

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Speaker 2: prosecutor sometimes going over the court house, I'd have to

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Speaker 2: just pull off the road and just sit there like

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Speaker 2: what what happened?

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Speaker 1: How?

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Speaker 2: How could somebody do this? But in your situation, you

624
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: have to keep going.

625
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't easy.

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Speaker 6: Fortunately a colleague of mind, Patrick Milligan and I, I

627
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Speaker 6: mean we're able to kind of we both have children,

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Speaker 6: his little older than mind, but we were able to,

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Speaker 6: you know, kind of help each other out when we

630
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Speaker 6: were struggling with these pictures and some of these facts.

631
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Speaker 6: And it's good to have, you know, other attorneys to

632
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Speaker 6: help you kind of through these things because we're human too,

633
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Speaker 6: and it's it's very difficult to see and even now

634
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Speaker 6: going over it again, I mean a lot of sleepless

635
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Speaker 6: nights trying to figure out what the hell she was thinking?

636
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 5: What would was that somebody to do something?

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Speaker 1: If I got to give it to you, I got

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Speaker 1: to give it to you. Derek Smith.

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Speaker 2: While I completely disagree with you, and I certainly do

640
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: not want your job. You got in there and you fought,

641
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: you fought, and you got her the best deal she

642
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: could have gotten. That judge, I got to say, really

643
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: gave her hell at sentencing, and you stood right beside

644
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: her throughout see New Yorker.

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Speaker 1: This is a very tough case for me as a mom.

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Speaker 2: When I think about my twins at that age, they're

647
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: really premature, so they were really small. But when I

648
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: hear that ring cam from the neighbor of the baby

649
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: just screaming for something to eat or drink, or mommy

650
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: or somebody, and she died in that pack and play,

651
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: day after day after day, losing seven pounds in ten days.

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00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Tell me in that courtroom, how did the judge respond?

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Speaker 3: It was gut wrenching, And the judge even said in

654
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: his sentencing he said, the baby waited. Baby Jit then

655
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: waited for as long as she could. You know, ten

656
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: days you were going. But you know, after the medical

657
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: examiner and everybody laid out, she waited for as long

658
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Speaker 3: as she could. You know, she stood at a long

659
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: and agonizing death, but she waited for somebody to come

660
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Speaker 3: help her. And there was no help. Her mother was

661
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Speaker 3: nowhere to be.

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Speaker 2: Found, and I wish I could just take this baby

663
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Speaker 2: and raise her myself. But now this baby is in

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Speaker 2: heaven and mommy is behind bars.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,