1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: W NBA star Britney Griner has now become a State 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Department and the President's nightmare. Why because a nine year 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: prison sentence has just been upheld in a Russian appeals court. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: This is no longer about NBA or the w NBA 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: or her as a player. This is now a big 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: problem for the State Department and our president. How do 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: we get her back? I agree with many who have 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: said the only way to get her back is a 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: prisoner swap. Bill Richardson said this on CNN, as you 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: have with other Americans detained abroad, you are currently talking 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: with the Russians to try and help the US government 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: secure Britney Griner's release. The Russians confirmed for the first 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: time today that they are negotiating. For what that's worth. 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: Do you think a prisoner swap is the only way 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: to get this done? Yes? I do think so, because 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: this is an issue that this is how the Russians negotiate. 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Now that the court system is over with Brittany Griner 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: and has been over with Paul Wheeland, let's not forget him. 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: The American Marine, then the Russians and other countries that 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: I've dealt with, say, okay, the court process is over, 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: we're ready to negotiate. I think the President and his 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: team have been very upfront and good and said, Okay, 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: this is what we want to get in return. They 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: didn't do it directly with the boot, but it's pretty 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: obvious for Griner and for Wheeling. So now the real 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: negotiating through the government channel starts. I mean, I'm helping, 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: but I'm not the official government channel. I'm not trying 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: to replace anybody, but I too talked to both sides. 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of the Russians. I do talk 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: to the administration, to the White House. I try to 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: push the process along. But my foundation works for the families. 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: In other words, the families asked us to get involved, 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Brittany Griner's family, Paul Wheeland's family, and we were involved 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: in Trevor Read the American marine who two months ago 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: got out for Russia named Yerushenko. The President had to 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: approve that, and I'm giving him the credit for that. 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: But we did help with a trip to Russia right 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: before it happened. So we are involved in this. But 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: I think the prospects are reasonably good. Non instantaneous that 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: a swap WO happened, but yes, I don't see how 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: El said anything will happen other than a prisoners swap. 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: They're unseemly, they don't look good, but we have to 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: do them to bring our American hostages back. And it's 44 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: not just Reiner and Wheeland that are in Russia. There's 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: a POW in Ukraine. There's three other detainees. The families 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: have contacted us. So this is not over. But yes, 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: it is going to be a prisoner swap. I think 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: it'll be two for two. That's my prediction. 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She's a individual that said the 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: national anthem should not be played before w NBA game. 77 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: She was a Black Lives Matter advocate, the kneeling and 78 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: all that, and ashamed of the United States of America. 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: Does that mean we shouldn't fight to get her back. No, 80 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't. I want to make that clear because when 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: you're an American citizen and you are being used for 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: leverage by Russians, because you're an American, we should fight, 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: regardless of what you have said, in my opinion, to 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: get you back. Do I think that we should trade 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a high level rush for her? Let me also say no, 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't. Is it if it's somebody to put our 87 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: national security at risk, should we give them that person? No, 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: because then he gives an incentive for more Americans to 89 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: be held hostage in Russia. Now w NBA star Britney Grinder, 90 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: I also want to make this clear. I do feel 91 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: sorry for the nine year prison sentence that was upheld 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: in this Moscow Regional Court hearing. We all know it's 93 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: kangaroo court. We all know it's a joke. This Phoenix 94 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: Mercury w NBA Center and her legal team had hope 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: for an acquittal or reduction sentence that they believe was 96 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: too severe and quote politically motivated. Of course it was 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: politically motivated. Of course it was too severe. That's exactly 98 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: what the Russians did because they want to hold her hostage, 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: which is exactly what Bill Richson said a moment ago, 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: no Judge Hannah Heart will honestly say that Grinder's nine 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: year sentence is in line with Russian criminal law. That's 102 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: what one of Grinder's lawyers said, according to Reuters. He added, 103 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: if the court wants to punish her, it should give 104 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: her a new fair verdict and mitigate the punishment. The 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: severity and cruel the other sentence applied to shocks people 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: around the world. By the way, the Russians don't give 107 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: a crap about shocking people around the world. Her arrest 108 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: again occurred just four days before Russian invaded Ukraine in February, 109 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: knowing that this would give them leverage. She has now 110 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: been held for eight months. I hate that for her 111 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: in general. The six foot nine in center was sentence 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: in August, receiving just under the tenure maximum sentence for 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: the drugs. She said at the time quote, I never 114 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: meant to hurt anybody. I never meant to put in 115 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: jeopardy the Russian population. I never meant to break any 116 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: laws here, Grinder said ahead of the verdict, I made 117 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: an honest mistake and I hope that in your ruling 118 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: that it doesn't end my life here. I know everybody 119 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: keeps talking about political pawn and politics. My hope that 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: that is far from this courtroom. Now, a growing number 121 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: of Americans have now called on the Biden administration to 122 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: get their act together to do more to secure Grinder's release. 123 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets NBA star Kyrie Irving took to the microphone 124 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: at the mid court before his team's season opener to 125 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: call and present Joe Biden to bring Brittany Grinder home. 126 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Just so you know, these types of things do not help. 127 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: They only make her value go up like a stock 128 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: in Russia's prison system. That's one of the things I 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: don't understand about many on the left who have been 130 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: trying to bring more attention to Grinder, and all it 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: does is make her more valuable to the Russians. This 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: stuff is going to be done behind closed doors in quiet. 133 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: The faster we act like we're moving on with our lives, 134 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: the better off we're going to be. That's one thing 135 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I actually agree with the State Department on. But a 136 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: growing number of American lefties have called for the Biden 137 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: administration to do more. I appreciate, appreciate us being able 138 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: to share this floor together, all of us as brothers. 139 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: But the big picture that's going on in the world 140 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: is free our sister, Britney Grinder. Please, Irving shared with 141 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the home crowd potus do your job, everybody, do your job. 142 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: Bring home, Please bring our sister home. We wouldn't be 143 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: doing our jobs to the best our ability if we 144 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: didn't stand for what we believe in, he added. Many 145 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: across the w NBA have also expressed support for Grinder 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: last Tuesday, on our thirty second birthday, many of them 147 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: posting birthday messages saying Happy birthday, Britney Grinder. We will 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: not forget about you, and we will not stop fighting 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: for you. The w referring to the w NBA won't 150 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: be the same until your home. That's where the league's 151 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: Twitter account posted again, this is not necessarily a smart 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: move because all it does is raise the value Britney 153 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: Grinder's life. This is what I don't understand. By the way, 154 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: by these local lefties right, the same people that we're 155 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: saying they want to get rid of the national anthem 156 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: are now demanding that the country that they were ashamed 157 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: of step up and save their friend. Wake up, all right, 158 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: we are the greatest country in the world. And that's 159 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: part of the reason why they took Grinder, because they 160 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: knew we'd become weak under the woke liberal lefties, including 161 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: the President Knit States America that you're now demanding that 162 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: he'd do his job. The Biden administration had previously attempted 163 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: a prisoner swap involving the Merchant of Death arms dealer 164 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: Victor Bout for Grinder an American Paul Wheland. The attempts 165 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: have so far proven unsuccessful. Now the Merchant of Death, 166 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: and this is my problem, is not the equivalent of 167 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Brittany Grinder. They have not responded to our offer. We 168 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: have made a serious offer to get Britney Grinder and 169 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: Paul Wheeland back home. The Russians have not responded to 170 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: that offer. But that doesn't mean that we're not still 171 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: in negotiations and we're not still trying, is what the 172 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in 173 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: a statement. Now, if there's anything we should learn from 174 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: all of this, it's this number one, don't go to 175 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: countries like Russia. And there's some people saying, well, she 176 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: had no choice, that's a lie. They say, well, the 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: w NBA doesn't pay players enough so Britney Grinder was 178 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: forced to play in Russia to make enough money to survive. 179 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: That's also lie. She has great endorsement deals and she 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: was doing just fine financially. The problem when you take 181 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: money from the devil, which in this case is Russia, 182 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: you play by the devil's rules. Britney Grinder knew because 183 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: they'd all been briefed on what two and what not 184 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: to do in Russia, including that screwing around with stuff 185 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: like this drugs, the oil right, the THHC. These are 186 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: the things that she should have never have even thought 187 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: about taking with her or using in Russia. The Russians 188 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: are going to watch you the entire time you're there. 189 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: They're going to bug your phones, they're going to break 190 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: into your hotel room. They're going to put cameras in 191 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: your hotel room. They are going to monitor you twenty 192 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: four seven. That's what they do in Russia. It's very normal. 193 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: That's why they tell you to take an airlock computer 194 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: and take a different cell phone the one you want 195 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: to use and get back to America because it will 196 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: be hacked and they will be watching and following you 197 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: the entire time that you are there. They will never 198 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: stop watching you. Now, Kirby said, We've made a serious proposal, 199 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: and the question is are we giving up too much 200 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: for an American that made a mistake. I would argue 201 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: by even going to Russia to play and putting herself 202 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: ahead of her country in that decision, finance is ahead 203 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: of her safety and also breaking the rules while there. 204 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: And before I get into the second part of this, 205 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: want to remind you about our good friends over at 206 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Patriot Mobile. 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We 232 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: have the torture chambers that they have found in the 233 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: last forty eight hours that were being used by Russian 234 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: troops and the Ukrainian people. And if you put that 235 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: into perspective of what's happening over there compared to Britney Grinder, 236 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: part of you has to say, well, at least she's 237 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: safe in these jails in a sense, and we're seeing 238 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: pictures of her often take a listen to what Kirby 239 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: had to say on Grinder's possible return and a prisoner swap. 240 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: And with respect to Brittany Grinder, I mean, we have 241 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: laid down a serious proposal weeks ago and we are 242 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: still waiting on the Russia Russians to act on that. 243 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: We have made very clear and publicly so, which is 244 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: an unusual step. How much you're interested in furthering negotiations? 245 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Sorry interrupted, I just want to pick on the pick 246 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: up on the Grinder thread. Do you still feel like 247 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you're operating from a position of strength there now so 248 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: many you said, this deal's been on the table for 249 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: multiple weeks and still nothing's come to fruition. Well, the 250 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: fact that nothing's come to fruition is on the Russians, 251 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: it's not on the American side. We have made a 252 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: serious proposal. We're working on this very very hard, and 253 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: as far as we're concerned, negotiations will continue. We've made 254 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: it clear that we have an offer that we want 255 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: the Russians to take seriously. We want Brittany and Paul 256 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: home and again we're willing to keep talking to the 257 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: Russians about that. How do you assess the chances of 258 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: success there. It's hard. It's really hard to say here 259 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: as you and I are talking, Jillian, to give you 260 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: a percentage. What I can tell you is we're absolutely 261 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: devoted and dedicated to the task of finding a way 262 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: to being Brittany and Paul home back to their families, 263 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: their friends, her teammates, and we're willing to keep in 264 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: this discussion with the Russians, but it's got to be 265 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: a two way street. They got to be willing to 266 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: sit down and talk as well, and we hope that 267 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: given Minister Lavrov's comments today out in the Pacific region 268 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: where he said he was open to furthering these discussions, 269 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: we take that as a positive sign. We hope they're 270 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: sincere about that so we can actually affect this outcome. 271 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of a bummer though, right that. I mean, 272 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: they waited to respond to the State Department's offer until 273 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: after Griner had already been sentenced to near about the 274 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: maximum prison time she was facing. Right Well, nobody wanted 275 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: to see that trial proceed, and certainly nobody wanted to 276 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: see her sentenced for the crime she didn't deserve to 277 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: be convicted of. I'll let the Russians speak for their 278 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: timeline and their actions. As I said, we made this 279 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: proposal weeks ago, well before her trial began, because we 280 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: want to get her home now. Now, If this trial, 281 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: as I said yesterday, if this trial and this sentencing 282 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: somehow and some form of their logic freeze them up 283 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: to negotiate more sincerely than so be it. Let's do it. 284 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: Let's get down to the table and let's figure this out. 285 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: Let's figure this out. This is part of the delusion 286 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: aspect of all this by I think this White House. 287 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: The Russians have no reason to want to figure this out. 288 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: The more we become obsessed, the more the media becomes obsessed, 289 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: the more the liberals become obsessed with this, with this 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: story with Britney Griner, the more valuable she is. And it's, 291 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: if nothing else, just the middle finger to the United 292 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: States of America from a country that loves giving the 293 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: finger to the United States of America. That's what this 294 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: is for them. And if we're smart, we just shut 295 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: up about Britney Griner. That's why I haven't talked about 296 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: her much. With this new sentence. Everybody's talking about her today, 297 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and that's fine, we'll talk about her today. But that's it. 298 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: And if the Left wants to help Britney Grinder, don't 299 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: go to center court in an NBA game and demand 300 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: that Britney Grinder b let go. You may think that 301 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: you can fix this problem on a keyboard on Twitter, 302 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, Instagram, right on Facebook, and you cannot. This 303 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: is not going to be fixed through some hashtag Brittany campaign. Okay, 304 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: that will not happen. And the sooner that they understand 305 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: this and realize that we have to at least act 306 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: like we've moved on past Brittany, the better the chances 307 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: are that they will then say, all right, find screw it, 308 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: let's do the prisoner squad because this arms dealer that 309 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: is very close to Russia. We want to get him 310 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: back at some point too. But right now the deal 311 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: is just too good. NBC News Big headline, Right now. 312 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Russian court denies Britney Griner's appeal of nine year prison 313 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: sentence the w NBA Star War sentence after rush An 314 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: authority said she had vape cannisters with cannabis oil in 315 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: her luggage. A Russian court denied her appeal and upheld 316 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: that that charged nine year sentence on drug charges. Grinder 317 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: thirty two, looked sponded as she appeared at the hearing 318 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: in the Moscow Regional Court via video conference from the 319 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: detention center where she's been held since her rest in February. 320 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: The athlete is now expected to be moved to a 321 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: penal colony. Grinder's conviction in August was decried by the 322 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: United States, which is said the athletes is being wrong 323 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: fleet detained. I agree with that the denial of her 324 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: appeal was we'll see hopes of Grinder's release shift to 325 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: the potential for a high profile prisoner swap. And no 326 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: one should be shocked by what just happened, and that 327 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: maybe is the most important part of the show today. 328 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: Understand that this is exactly what you should have expected, 329 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: and this administration should have expected, and the Left needs 330 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: to get their heads out of the eard and understand 331 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: how Russia works. In a statement right out in court, Grinder, 332 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: a two time Olympic gold medalist who plays for the 333 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Phoenix Mercury, said she did not intend to do this. 334 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: How do you and this is part of what I 335 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: don't understand. How do you claim that you don't intend 336 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: to do something when clearly you did intend to do 337 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: something right, I didn't intend to do it. Well, you're 338 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: the one that brought this with you, and you were 339 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: warned not to screw with Russia, not to give them 340 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: a reason, not to give them a single reason to say, okay, fine, 341 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: I'll do this. Right. That was the whole point here. 342 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: Don't give them a reason to stop you, don't give 343 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: them a reason to arrest you. And every athlete that 344 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: goes to Russia who takes this risk knows that. Folks, 345 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: they all know it. They're not stupid. Yet here we 346 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: are having this exact conversation right now, which drives me 347 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: totally insane. Wake up and understand how the world works. 348 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: She said she hoped it would be taken into account 349 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: that she did plead guilty in the case. The athlete 350 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: said she hope the court would adjust her sentence. The 351 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: w NBA star had been quite pessimistic about the outcome 352 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: of the appeal ahead of the hearing of One of 353 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: her attorneys said Grinder had held hope that there would 354 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: be a reduction to her sentence, but did not believe 355 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: the verdict would be overruled. Everybody's like, well, she's a 356 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: two time Olympic gold medalist who plays for the Phoenix Mercury. 357 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: She's famous. We should go get her. I don't think 358 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: we should treat her any differently than any other American 359 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: that did something this dumb in Russia. And does that 360 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: mean that we give up a guy who has done 361 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more damage and destruction to 362 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the world and she's done. I mean, let's let's just 363 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: be real honest. I don't think that you go over 364 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: there and do a bad deal and this administration is 365 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: sitting there and they're like, oh my gosh, what do 366 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: we do? I don't know what to do. What do 367 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: we do right? How do we how do we do this? 368 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: I think what we do now is shut up. The 369 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: deal's on the table. Leave it alone. Joe Biden, he 370 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: did say this about Britney Griner at the White House. 371 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful we're working hard. Can you give us a 372 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: comment on Britney Griner. I'm hopeful we're working hard. I 373 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't even say that that doesn't help. I would just 374 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: say the State Department is doing what they need to do. 375 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Leave it alone. Don't say I'm hopeful, because in the 376 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Russians laugh in your face. Anything that they can say 377 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: to take away a victory from this White House and 378 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: to embarrass this White House. And part of this goes 379 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: down to an issue of weakness. They're embarrassing this present 380 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: and they're doing something they never would have done if 381 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was still in office. Brittany Grinder would not 382 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: have been taken if Donald Trump was still the present 383 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: because they would have known that Donald Trump would have 384 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: actually responded. That's the problem. We have a weak present 385 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: that's getting screwed with. He gets lost on stage and 386 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: has to have the Easter Bunny bring him back to reality. 387 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: And when that's your leader, this is what you get. 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I want to switch gears real quick to 410 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: another really important story, and this could be for the 411 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: control of the United States Senate, whether it goes to 412 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: Republicans of the Democrats. There is a race that I'm 413 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: very concerned about in Utah and it's a race that 414 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: could decide if Democrats control the Senate or not. There 415 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: is a guy who ran for president by the name 416 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: of Evan McMullan. He is the candidate from the deep state, 417 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: from the swamp, from the corruption, from the Peter Struck 418 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: error who is running to beat Mike Lee, and he's 419 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: running on behalf of the deep state and the powerful 420 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: interest to do that. Now what they're doing, and Mike 421 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: Lean needs our help. So if you have family or 422 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: friends in Utah, you need to tell them what's going on. 423 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Number one, and number two, if you can help Mike 424 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: Lee with fundraising. He desperately needs our support because this 425 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: could be literally the control of the Senate and the 426 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: race that this comes down to. Now, Evan McMullan and 427 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: the Democrats were very smart. They know that a Democrat 428 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: was not going to get elected and Utah. Evan McMullan 429 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: is a guy that can say, hey, I was once 430 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: a Republican and now I'm quoting independent and that's how 431 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: they're running him. Now, Utah elections are different than the 432 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: rest of the country. They have state a convention and 433 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: all this other stuff they do on the front end. 434 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: It's very different than the traditional way that we get 435 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: elect people in this country. But they've figured out how 436 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to basically exist in a state and give a guy 437 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: a chance to win by claiming as an independent when 438 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: in reality he's clearly a Democrat. There's an article that 439 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: was written by Ben Dominich, who has put together kind 440 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: of the history of this guy, and I want to 441 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: read part of it for you. Many Republican observers of 442 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: the Utah Senate race haven't noted that Evan mcmullan's obviously 443 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: false claims at anything approaching ideological conservatism. But it strikes 444 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: me that this is the wrong understanding of the bald 445 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: Mormon CIA agent who seeks to unseat constitutional conservative center 446 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: Mike Lee. McMullan is more properly understood as a deep 447 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: state plant who represent the in interests of the likes 448 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: of Peter Struck if elected by voters, apparently unaware of 449 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: his completely fictionalized position. Matrix I interviewed McMullan when he 450 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: was running against Donald Trump as a quote principled conservative 451 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: hoping to twist Utah into the Democratic column and drive 452 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen presidential stakes into the Congress. Bill Crystal 453 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: had a lot of crazy ideas about this. Back in 454 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: the day, people deal with grief and loss in different ways, 455 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: the author writes in parentheses. Now, at the time, McMullan 456 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: claimed to be a tried and true conservative on abortion, 457 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: on guns, federalism, taxes, you name it. He took the 458 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: position of eighty to ninety percent of conservative voters on 459 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: every question. It was well rehearsed, but it was obviously rehearsed. 460 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: Dig any deeper and you can tell the man was 461 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: reciting lines instead of telling the truth. Mcmolan ultimately failed 462 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: in his endeavor. He still owes more than half a 463 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: million in debt for that extremely silly campaign for president. 464 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: But he didn't stop there. He then tried to integrate 465 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: himself to the American resistance quote unquote the resistance right 466 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: hashtag resistance. In every aspect, he now spews the talking 467 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: points of Crystal's Bulwark publication, creating a veneer of cliche 468 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: Republicanism that seems more at home on the broadcast TV dramas. 469 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: What is mcmollan lying about that he's a Straussian or 470 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: that he's any good at it? Since his embarrassing, costly 471 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and fanciful attempt to block Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, 472 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: the libertarian Kennet did six times better. McMullan has since 473 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: found fit to do what is necessary to achieve a 474 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: shot at a Senate seat in Utah. This includes rejiggering 475 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: his poll tested talking points, literally marrying a woman with 476 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: kids from a prior marriage, and sucking up to the 477 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: mit Romney machine, which mit once Mike Lee gone, but 478 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: without their fingerprints on any of it, because they can't 479 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: stand him. And as you know, Mitt Romney's the other 480 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: center from Utah. Just to remind you of that, there 481 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: is something deeply odd about the way in which the 482 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: least serious members of the media seemed so eager to 483 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: embrace the hairless men with obviously false slogans as champions 484 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: against Trump and Trump is m whether Michael Avanati or 485 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: Evan McMullan, such men can never be trusted. But what's 486 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: perhaps more disturbing about a Utah voter even considering a 487 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: vote from Mullin Overlea, is that the former's entire history 488 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: is of loyalty to the deep State and all its work. 489 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: He will be immediately distrusted if sent to the Senate 490 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: sideline from conferences. Incapable of working for committees or moving legislation, 491 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: he exists merely to remove Mike Lee, which is apparently 492 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: something certain people want. Obviously, Ben is referring to the 493 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: deep State. He goes on to say Utah might as 494 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: well elect Peter Struck to the Senate and cut out 495 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: the middleman. If you're going to be a demonstration of 496 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: failure of the American deep state, you should own it 497 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: to the hilt. Now, this article is one I would 498 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: tell you, and I put it out on Twitter, that 499 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: you need to share on social media. It's an article 500 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: that every person in Utah needs to read, especially if 501 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to side between this scumbag on the left 502 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: who's acting like a Republican, Evan McMullen, and Mike Lee. 503 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: Mike Lee is this is a way tighter race than 504 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: it should ever have been. Now, I hope that some 505 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: of the pollsters are just flat out wrong. Their concerned 506 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: that Mike Lee genuinely could lose this race. And part 507 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: of this, now I wouldn't say part of it, I 508 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: would say all of it comes down to Mitt Romney. 509 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Mitt Romney's team has had their hands all up in 510 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the McMullan race. They wanted McMullan, they've helped McMullan, they 511 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: recruited McMullan, they redesigned McMullan, and they did it because 512 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: they couldn't stand that Mike Lee was a principal conservative 513 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: who supported defended him back to Donald Trump. They can't 514 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: stand that he's dear friends with someone like, for example, 515 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. They can't stand the fact that he actually 516 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: will do the right thing and that he hasn't gone 517 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: along with Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney also believes that he 518 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: is the dictator and the tyrant of the state of Utah. 519 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Mike Lee that 520 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't stand behind you but goes out and does his 521 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: own thing, well, then that's obviously a threat to Mitt Romney. 522 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: And Mitt Romney is now wanting him to pay. Mitt 523 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: Romney has got his hands in all of this. Now, 524 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: if you like Mitt Romney, then please vote for McMullen. 525 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: But if you can't stand Mit Romney, because it's a 526 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: hardcore lefty now, and that's what he is. So let's 527 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: not act like he's anything but that he is a 528 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: hard core lefty. Okay, I'm gonna say it again. He's 529 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: a hardcore lefty. He's an anti Trump person. He hates 530 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: every person that voted for Donald Trump. He was in 531 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: favor of impeaching the president of the United States America, 532 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: and he's in favor of allowing Hunter and James and 533 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to get away with all of their corruption. 534 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: That is exactly why now he has decided to do this, 535 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: to go after somebody in his own party to get 536 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: rid of them. Now. This also, and again, the reason 537 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: why Romney's campaign doesn't want you to know what they've 538 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: been doing, right or his team, is because they can't 539 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: publicly come out and say, Hey, as a Republican, I'm 540 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: going to back a guy that's a liberal Democrat at 541 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: masquerading as an independent. But that's exactly what they have 542 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: been doing behind the scenes. This is their entire objective. 543 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: We also know one other thing. mLAN has said he 544 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: will not caucus with the Republicans or the Democrats, meaning 545 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: that if it comes down to basically the equivalent of 546 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: a tie, he will not support the Republicans, and that 547 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: means by default he will support the Democrats retaining control 548 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: of the Senate. Do I believe that it could come 549 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: down to this race? Yes, That's why I'm putting it 550 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: on everybody's radar screen. People ask me all the time, like, hey, 551 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: who needs my help? Where can I help? Well, this 552 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: race in Utah is a place and a race that 553 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: you need to get involved in if you can give money. 554 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: And I mean rarely have I said give money to 555 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: a certain candidate, but I will one hundred percent say this. 556 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: If you can get to Muckley's campaign, do it. But 557 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: even if you can't, then at least take the article 558 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: that I just shared and I just read to you 559 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: and put it out there on every social media account 560 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: that you have and address it to the people of Utah. 561 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Tell people, if you know anybody in Utah, send them 562 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: this article. The other thing is you can grab the 563 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: podcast and you can share it. If you have family 564 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: or friends in Utah, share it with them. Because if 565 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 1: we lose the Senate because of this race, because of 566 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: this deep Stater, and make no mistake, he will not 567 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: serve on these committees. He will be an outsider because 568 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: everybody knows he's a spy for the deep State. And 569 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: that's exactly, by the way, why I met Romney wants 570 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: him there. Okay, I'm just telling you right now, this 571 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: is a hundred percent why this is happening. All right, 572 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: make sure that you share this podcast. Please write us, 573 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: say five star review, and I will see you back 574 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: here tomorrow.