WEBVTT - The Suits of the Insurrection 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.560 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording back in the home Bunker, folks, 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.040 I got to tell you that, you know, the last 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.400 several weeks, several months, to think that we're only five 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:34.720 months into twenty twenty three, and the weight and the exhaustion, 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.680 the anxiety, the fear, the trauma that we have been 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.919 subject to because of the terrorist organization formerly known as 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:54.160 the Republican Party. Republicans have shown America through their legislative 0:00:54.200 --> 0:01:00.240 push to criminalize LGBTQ people, to erase trans people, to 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.120 cause irrevocable harm to the LGBTQ community. They have shown 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:12.120 us through their willingness and zeal at banning books and curriculum, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:21.640 at displacing tenured teachers, at displacing heads of universities, and 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:27.440 instead putting in corporate cronies, like they have done recently 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.679 at the University of Minnesota with the new president. Instead 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.120 of hiring an oh I don't know, an academic, have 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.399 now hired the former CEO or Hormel in order to 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.840 be the president of this university. Republicans are on a path, 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.760 on a war path to destroy everything that makes America America. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.280 They are on a path to destroy liberty, freedom and 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.000 justice for all. They are on a path to destroy 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:06.760 the bodily autonomy of women of trans people. They are 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:14.280 on the war path to create heightened racism and violence 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:20.640 and the birth of militias through their continued loosening of 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:26.760 gun regulations in states like Texas, whose mass shootings are 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.240 like number one in the country. And at this time, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.520 while Republicans continue to show you who they are by 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.760 voting to expel members of their government body because they 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.800 don't like their ideology, they don't like the truth that 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:54.200 they speak, whether again that be in Tennessee or in Montana. Folks, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.880 the Republican Party is at war and they are telling 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.680 us every single day with every piece of life legislation, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:08.040 with every kudos, every bit of support, back pats and 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.600 ring kisses that they give to Donald Trump, a man 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:15.120 who is currently on trial for rape. And as I 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.880 speak right now, the jury is out deliberating whether or 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.440 not they are going to side with Egene Carol or 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.679 with Donald Trump, who, by the way, has been accused 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:31.880 of sexual assault and harassment by over twenty five women. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:40.640 But CNNC's fit to give this motherfucker prime time, a 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:46.040 primetime town hall. Tell me how the public would react if, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.680 at the height of the me too movement against Harvey Weinstein, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.960 if CNN decided to have a sit down one on 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:02.600 one with Harvey. I call on all civil liberty organizations, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:08.720 women's groups, LGBTQ groups, civil rights organizations to call for 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:15.720 a boycott of CNN. You see all of these networks. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.760 They've based their decisions on money, they based their decisions 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.800 on ratings, and if the people decide to take it, 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.280 then maybe they will do it about face. But the 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.599 reality is, in any other country, if you had a 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:42.280 political party moving in the way that Republicans have been 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.400 moving since Donald Trump came down that fucking escalator, they 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.599 would have been labeled a terrorist organization. We don't do 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.560 it because the Republican Party is filled with white men, right, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.200 and they're the ones that get to write the laws 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.160 and break the laws and rewrite them for a other 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:05.800 fucking people. I am telling you that it is time 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:11.159 for the people, for the people to regain the power 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.799 in this country, power that we never really truly had, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:24.160 but we were made comfortable enough. But now this terrorist organization. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.680 The only thing that they have on the menu is cruelty. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.880 The only thing that they have on the menu is 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:42.760 over policing, banning books, banning queer people, banning abortion, banning curriculum, 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:48.920 and instituting authoritarianism and fascism. Donald Trump is going to 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:54.320 be holding a campaign rally with known anti Semites. They 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.200 have top billing at this event, along with his fucking spawn. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:09.840 We need to stop treating Republicans as if they are legitimate. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:16.640 They stand for violence, they stand for rape, they stand 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:25.839 against abortion, they stand against democracy. There is no mincing 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.280 words about it. There is no working across the aisle 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:34.360 because the only work that Republicans are interested in is 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:40.640 destruction and undermining this country. And also with the debt ceiling, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.240 fucking chicken game that they're playing, putting the world's economy 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.200 at risk so that they can figure out a way 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:55.039 to bring back their fucking cheeto martyr. Folks, you hear 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:03.200 that sound going off, You feel that tingling sensation. That 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:13.280 is the alarms going off both internally and externally. We 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:20.000 are at level hot fucking red right now in this country. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.520 The folks of Texas need to take a page out 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.960 of those that were in Tennessee and take it to 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:30.440 the fucking streets. While people are being gunned down as 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.320 they're shopping at a mall, your fucking governor is passing 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:39.080 legislation that doesn't even require any training whatsoever to have 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:45.880 a gun, because it's all a part of their plan 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.640 to build their white supremacist militias that will go ahead 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.480 and enforce their autocratic rule. Folks, Wake up, Wake up, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:02.200 because there is no motherfucking quiet part anymore. Coming up next, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.840 my conversation with our good friend who is stopped by 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:11.400 wok F Daily MSNBC legal analysts, former federal prosecutor and 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:18.520 the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Folks, I am 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.840 very happy to welcome back to WOKF Daily our friend, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.400 MSNBC legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, and the host of 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.880 Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Glenn, it has been a while, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.679 and in that time there has been just a world 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.800 win of legal news, and I don't even know if 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.599 we call it legal news anymore. We just call it 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.960 crime in news. I mean, from Clarence Thomas and the 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.880 Supreme Court and the major griff there to Donald Trump. Currently, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:53.679 the juries and deliberation for the Egen King rape allegations 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:58.160 and defamation suit. And a judge just issued an order 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.800 in the Manhattan District Attorney's k with regard to the 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:07.680 thirty four felony indictments placed a gag order on Donald Trump. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.920 And I want you to be able to just explain 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.520 what this gag order is and why. I mean, I mean, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.520 I have thought that Donald Trump should have been gagged 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.640 a long time ago, but why this is happening now 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:26.079 and will what could be the repercussions of it if 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.560 he breaks said gag order. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:28.640 So I think the. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.439 Reason we're seeing a gag order now, it's sort of 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.080 the cumulative effect of everything Donald Trump has been posting 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.240 and saying. Most recently, he posted that Joe Biden and 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:45.040 Merrick Garland illegally unleashed Alvin Bragg and Fawnie Willis and 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.000 New York Attorney General Letitia James on me, Donald Trump 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.559 to stop me from winning the twenty twenty four election. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.760 There are so many lies packed into that sentence. One, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.120 it is designed to gain unfair advance for Donald Trump 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.160 in the twenty twenty four election by suggesting Biden and 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.640 Garland have control over state prosecutors and they have unleashed 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.200 them on Donald Trump. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.560 That's absolute bs. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.640 And look, Donald Trump has been endangering judges and their families, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.959 prosecutors and their families, grand jurors, trial jurors, witnesses, and 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:30.360 Alvin Bragg's prosecutors said enough, we are preparing to give 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.679 over discovery. And what discovery is in a criminal case 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.520 is they package up all of the relevant information and 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.360 evidence that they are required under the rules to provide 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.920 to the defendant and they give it over. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.480 Well, what will Donald Trump do with it? 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.520 Once he gets his grubby, little and I do mean 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:54.240 little hands on that evidence, He'll begin posting it, He'll 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.200 begin lying about it, He'll begin boxing people. He will 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.679 not so subtly earn his supporters to get after them. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.880 And so that's what prompted Alvin Bragg's team to say, Judge, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.000 we're moving for a gag order, really more precisely a 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.720 protective order, saying Donald Trump can't post, can't talk about, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.120 can't misuse all of this information we are about to 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.920 give him. And Judge Mersham agreed and issued a couple 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.680 of different kinds of protective orders, one saying Donald Trump 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.600 and he names Trump specifically, not just the defense team. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.560 You can't post anything about any of it, and by 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.280 the way, you can't copy it, you can't photograph it, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.559 you can't retain it. And in fact, the stuff that 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:49.680 the prosecutors label as limited disclosure information, you're not even 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.360 allowed to look at it without being babysat by your 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.480 defense attorneys because you're a petulant little child. I mean, 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.000 the fact that these kind of protective orders and limitations 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.360 have to be put in place for a former president 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.560 of the United States is insane. Usually do this kind 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.640 of stuff in violent crime cases or in rico cases. Well, now, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:19.679 welcome to that ignoble club Trump, you violent criminals and 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.559 mafia folk. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.480 You know, I think that it's wild to that mainstream 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.160 media is not discussing that right that we continue to 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.960 move through this as if the precautions that are being 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.920 taken are totally normal, like, oh, this happens in every case. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.040 You would think that with the president of the United States, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.079 you're being held right to a much higher standard of 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:45.800 behavior and that we would rely upon you to ensure 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.560 the safety of people by telling your rabid followers to 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.760 stand the hell down. But that's not what Donald Trump does. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.680 It has been the pattern of behavior since he was 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.600 in office and out of office, and so you know, well, Glenn, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:06.080 I am. I love to say that, oh we'll never see, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.719 and I stopped doing that during the entire Trump administration 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:17.480 is we have seen judges be targeted, their families be targeted. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.959 We've seen them have family members that have lost their 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.880 lives and judges that have lost their lives. What happens 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.040 if Donald Trump impedes this gag order? If Donald Trump 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.640 continues to do what he's been doing on the campaign trail, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.360 which is essentially lift up these very violent people. Right, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:43.000 he had the January sixth choir in Waco, Texas. Right, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.559 you have just now I want to make the connection 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:51.000 for the folks the shooter, the murderer in Alan, Texas 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.600 at the mall shooting had on the what was it? 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.600 Right wing death squad badge that was worn and sold 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.240 on the Proud Boys website. Right, these are the folks 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.360 that Donald Trump hold to stand back and stand by. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.719 These are the folks that Donald Trump has said are 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:14.600 good people. Right. So I mean I am very scared. Right, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.079 I'm scared for Alan Bragg. I'm scared for this judge. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.160 What happens if this order is broken, and you know, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.120 what are the protections that are in place in this 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.200 really erratic time when, even if it isn't Donald Trump, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.560 we know we're seeing what's happening with the people who 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:36.800 support him. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:42.160 So Judge Marshawn has an array of possible steps he 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.000 can take. I'm going to say when Donald Trump violates 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.560 this protective order, not if Donald Trump will violate it. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.320 He could do nothing. He could just let it go, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.480 which will embolden Donald Trump. He could haul Donald Trump 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:06.040 back in before the court and he could increase the 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.680 limitations or the restrictions. He could place one hundred percent 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:15.040 gag order on him, saying you have demonstrated an unwillingness 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:20.120 or inability to abide by lesser gag orders or protective orders. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.320 I am now ratcheting it up. And the next step, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:29.000 if you continue to violate it, I will consider the 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:35.320 prosecutor's request to step you back detain you because you 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.840 can't be trusted to abide by court orders. Now, that 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:46.560 is a pretty significant penalty, and he could short of that, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.080 he could hold him in contempt and order him to pay, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.880 you know, a fine, which Donald Trump won't care about. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.000 He'll fundraise off it and probably end up with a 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.640 gain at the end of the day. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.000 If the court orders find the only thing to do 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:07.160 with people who are inciting and inspiring imminent violence is 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:12.760 detained them take their bullhorn away. And I haven't seen 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:19.000 an appetite in our prosecutors or our judiciary to do 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:24.040 the hard work, the forward leaning work of stopping this 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:32.320 rampant violence that is being sort of advocated for every day. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.960 Why the Proud Boys organization isn't designated a terrorist organization 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.480 and then we go after not only the organization but 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:46.360 those who kind of spout off violent rhetoric likely to 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.480 and designed to inspire imminent violence is beyond me. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:50.720 You know. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.960 I keep thinking that we are so concerned that if 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.840 we do something and will be criticized for stepping the 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.200 toe over the constant to shell a ligne, violating somebody's 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.359 free speech rights. If we do anything to curb the 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.879 rampant gun violence in this country and we're criticized, you know, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.040 stepping a toe over the Second Amendment, Danielle, We're going 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.240 to freedom ourselves to death. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.920 Come on, if we don't start. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:23.320 Taking action to stop this nonsense, does. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.399 This gag order to glunt. Does it pertain to the 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:33.119 lawyers using their his lawyers using their bully pulpit using 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.040 social media. That's one question. And then the other one 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.200 is we also know that, you know, his spawn continue 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.000 to spout and share a lot of violent rhetoric on 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:51.280 social media, What if anything would be done to them? 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.320 Yeah, I'm reading through the motion right here. I do 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.199 believe it. There's no loophole. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.800 For the lawyers to percept what Donald Trump can't post. Okay, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:02.920 And frankly I don't. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.600 I don't think even as you know, poor you know, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.040 in the performance sense, as poor as the you know, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.960 Joey Takapine is and these kind of guys are, I 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.960 don't think they would be the ones violating the court order. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.720 I think it's all about Trump. But if they do, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.399 they could you know, there are some additional possible sanctions 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.760 because they could be referred to their own bar council 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.679 for sanctions, for suspension, for fines, and ultimately for disbarment 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.720 if it's a an egregious enough transgression. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:37.879 So, you know, the. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.280 Judge Marshawn has taken an important first step. And here's 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.399 the thing. We are making incremental progress. I know it 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.439 doesn't feel like it, but he has been tried for 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.520 sexual assault and defamation, and a jury is deciding his guilt, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.600 not his guilt, but deciding who to rule for e 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.320 Gen Carrol or Donald Trump, a former president, has now 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.600 been tried for or sexual assault and defamation. He has 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.040 been criminally indicted for thirty four felony accounts of creating 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.199 false business records why to steal the presidency. This is 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.560 not creating false business records because you're trying to keep 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.360 a little bit of money that you really should pay 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.439 to the government in taxes. 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:17.520 Now, this was. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:22.040 False business records designed to steal the presidents. He's criminally indicted. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.840 Now we have a new first. We have him with 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.880 a gag order prohibiting him from misusing the evidence he's 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.720 about to get in discovery. We're making progress. It doesn't 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.840 feel like it, but we are making progress. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.479 Glen. In the time that we haven't spoken to you know, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.640 I want to head down now, just mentally to Georgia 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:53.560 where the DA down there. Bonnie Willis issued a statement 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.880 which I at the time thought was weird, you know, bizarre, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:04.560 issued a statement saying that the decision of whether or 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.320 not to indict is going to happen between July and 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:15.639 September of this year, and was putting the law enforcement 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:23.760 on months notice. Glenn, what did you make of that statement? 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.439 Was it? Like, why would Fannie Willis make it so 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.320 many months in advance? Why do you think that that 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:32.520 was necessary? 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.919 It had nothing to do with putting law enforcement on notice. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.840 She could have had a behind closed doors meeting right 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.399 saying okay, folks, you know indictments are coming in July. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.440 That wasn't for law enforcements benefit, my benefit, your benefit. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.600 It was for the benefit of the twenty plus targets 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.760 of her criminal investigation. She put them directly on notice 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.080 with this letter that you all have until July to 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.480 come in cooperate. You know, probably take a little bite 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.040 of the criminal charges that you have coming your way, 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.239 but you'll be able to reduce your exposure significantly if 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.880 you plead guilty and begin cooperating so I can work 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.959 my way up the criminal ladder. This was a pr 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:24.400 move designed to pressure the twenty plus targets of her investigation. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.080 Had nothing to do with putting law enforcement on notice. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.240 Now, is that a risky move in your opinion? Like, 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.520 because again, isn't that something that could have been directly 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.360 sent to the folks who have been asked to come 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.560 in to provide their deposition over the course of these many, 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.080 many months. Isn't that something that could have been done 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.639 in private? What does it mean to do it in 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:51.800 such a public way. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.600 It doesn't become real to many criminal targets of a 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:01.160 grand jury's investigation until it is out there the public square, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:05.080 because then they're going to understand that. Fawnie Willis just 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.240 put herself on the line and said, I don't think 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.560 she really said, and I don't know that you have 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.640 to read between the lines that I'll make a decision 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.440 whether to prosecute people in July. She said, law enforcement 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.920 buckle up charges are coming in July. That was the 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.840 I think thrust of her letter. Once that's put out 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.760 there publicly by the district attorney, the targets know it's coming, 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.320 rather than well, you know what, we're still kind of 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.040 dealing behind closed doors. I'm thinking maybe my attorney can 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.960 still keep me from being indicted. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.720 At no, No, you. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.760 Got sixty days and then you're gonna find yourself on 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.040 the other side of the v. 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.520 Georgia v. You what you're gonna do. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:54.439 So in this time too, Glenn, we have now seen Enriquaetorio, 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:00.760 the Proud Boys and three other members can victed found 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:06.159 guilty on conspiras on a seditious conspiracy, which you and 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.080 I have talked about so many times because it's a 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:15.199 difficult charge to bring and to prove. So now multiple 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.880 people from the Oath Keepers to the Proud Boys right 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:24.200 have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Again, how does 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:31.480 this these convictions, these guilty charges fall on the Department 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.960 of Justice and the work that Smith is doing. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.159 Yeah, so this is something I call atmospheric precedent. You know, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.720 legal precedent technically means when an appellate court decides a 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.000 case hands down an opinion, all the lower courts are 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:51.040 obliged to follow that precedent. That's what precedent means most 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:56.479 precisely in the law. But atmospheric precedent is when you know, 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:02.480 juries return verdicts in cases that are related to other 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.720 cases and other people. And here's where I think the 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:11.159 Department of Justice gets the biggest bump from the Proud 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.679 Boy's convictions. Enrique Tario was convicted of seditious conspiracy and 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.760 a whole bunch of crimes that were committed at the 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.280 Capitol on January sixth, And he was not at the 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:23.960 capital on January. 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.159 Sixth, He wasn't even in DC. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.159 You know who else wasn't at the Capitol but was 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:33.160 but is responsible for what happened there on January sixth, 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.760 Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:42.280 Mark Meadows, Donald Trump. Now both the Department of Justice 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:48.560 has charged and a jury has convicted somebody who was 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:52.200 responsible for those crimes but was nowhere near the capital. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.199 That kind of sets an atmospheric precedent. And if I 0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.080 were involved on the prosecution team, I would say, Ken, 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.000 we finally go after the people at. 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:06.640 The Willard war Room now and indict them? Can we finally. 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.359 Go after Mark Meadows and Donald Trump and indict them? Look, 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.280 we're doing a bang up job prosecuting the boots of 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:19.000 the insurrection to foot soldiers. Time to get after the 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:23.400 suits of the insurrection, the people who organized, orchestrated, funded, 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.800 and incited, indeed gave the order to attack the capital. 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:32.040 Let's get after it because we're burning democracy daylight. It 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.280 blows my mind that we're treating Donald Trump like a 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.359 viable candidate for the presidency. 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.440 Let them hold town hall meetings, and CNN is gonna 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.720 comporate it. Are you insane? Are you insane? 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.639 This man he should be hounded every second of every 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:53.399 day by every reporter on earth until he has nothing 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.520 he can do but like say, in his little third 0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:01.520 rate resort mar A Lago with his moles that is, bedbugs, 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.800 and not see the light of day until the marshals 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:05.680 come and arrest him. 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:07.120 It's insane that. 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.639 We treat this man like he's a viable candidate for 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:11.560 government office. 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.000 After he ordered, he organized, he launched an. 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:18.040 Attack on the US capital to try to unlawfully retain 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:19.560 the power of the presidency. 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.240 That is lunacy. 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.600 I mean everything that you said, I have been tweeting, 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:30.560 I said, you know, I don't understand how this. Having 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:34.520 Donald Trump do a town hall at CNN right now 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.160 as the man is literally as a jury is literally 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:42.000 deliberating a rape case that he is at the center of, 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:47.320 is like would have been giving Harvey Weinstein a town 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.400 hall in the middle of all of the horrific allegations 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.720 that were coming down of sexual assault and violence. Like, 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.120 how do I don't understand the difference there. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.480 And this is a man Danielle, who we saw during 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:05.560 the Egen Carol trial. We saw his deposition. He said, Hey, 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.280 for millions of years, stars have been able to sexually. 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.320 Oh my god, I'm a star. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.919 And you know what, unfortunately or fortunately, I get to 0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:21.240 do it, he said, stars get to sexually assault women. 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:22.959 I'm a star. I get to do it. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:30.240 Fortunately, every single Republican politician who remains in Donald Trump's 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:35.879 corner co signs that statement, adopts that statement, and announces, Yes, 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.520 that's the kind of person we want in the Oval office. 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.080 Are you sing kidding me? 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.399 I mean, it is it? Honestly, Glenn, it is. We 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.399 are in such and I'm so tired of this word, 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:55.560 but such unprecedented, erratic, violent, criminal times. And honestly, you know, 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.239 the last question that I have for you today is, 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.000 even if, Glenn, even if all were to go our way, 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.840 even if Jack Smith comes down, even if you know, 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.240 the if Fannie Willis comes down, we go to court 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:17.600 in Manhattan, Egen wins her. You know it's decided in 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.800 her favor. Where do we go do you know, like 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.120 you because you have you just named we have an 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.320 entire Republican Party that is behind a man that has 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:33.040 been incused at least twenty six times of sexual harassment 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.240 and assault. A man that has thirty four felony indictments 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.520 against him for falsifying records, has other indictments hanging over 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:47.320 his head for either stealing documents inciting an insurrection, Like 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:49.680