1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording back in the home Bunker, folks, 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that, you know, the last 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: several weeks, several months, to think that we're only five 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: months into twenty twenty three, and the weight and the exhaustion, 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: the anxiety, the fear, the trauma that we have been 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: subject to because of the terrorist organization formerly known as 8 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Republicans have shown America through their legislative 9 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: push to criminalize LGBTQ people, to erase trans people, to 10 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: cause irrevocable harm to the LGBTQ community. They have shown 11 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: us through their willingness and zeal at banning books and curriculum, 12 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: at displacing tenured teachers, at displacing heads of universities, and 13 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: instead putting in corporate cronies, like they have done recently 14 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: at the University of Minnesota with the new president. Instead 15 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: of hiring an oh I don't know, an academic, have 16 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: now hired the former CEO or Hormel in order to 17 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: be the president of this university. Republicans are on a path, 18 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: on a war path to destroy everything that makes America America. 19 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: They are on a path to destroy liberty, freedom and 20 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: justice for all. They are on a path to destroy 21 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: the bodily autonomy of women of trans people. They are 22 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: on the war path to create heightened racism and violence 23 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: and the birth of militias through their continued loosening of 24 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: gun regulations in states like Texas, whose mass shootings are 25 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: like number one in the country. And at this time, 26 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: while Republicans continue to show you who they are by 27 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: voting to expel members of their government body because they 28 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: don't like their ideology, they don't like the truth that 29 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: they speak, whether again that be in Tennessee or in Montana. Folks, 30 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is at war and they are telling 31 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: us every single day with every piece of life legislation, 32 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: with every kudos, every bit of support, back pats and 33 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: ring kisses that they give to Donald Trump, a man 34 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: who is currently on trial for rape. And as I 35 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: speak right now, the jury is out deliberating whether or 36 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: not they are going to side with Egene Carol or 37 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, who, by the way, has been accused 38 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: of sexual assault and harassment by over twenty five women. 39 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: But CNNC's fit to give this motherfucker prime time, a 40 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: primetime town hall. Tell me how the public would react if, 41 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: at the height of the me too movement against Harvey Weinstein, 42 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: if CNN decided to have a sit down one on 43 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: one with Harvey. I call on all civil liberty organizations, 44 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: women's groups, LGBTQ groups, civil rights organizations to call for 45 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: a boycott of CNN. You see all of these networks. 46 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: They've based their decisions on money, they based their decisions 47 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: on ratings, and if the people decide to take it, 48 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: then maybe they will do it about face. But the 49 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: reality is, in any other country, if you had a 50 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: political party moving in the way that Republicans have been 51 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: moving since Donald Trump came down that fucking escalator, they 52 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: would have been labeled a terrorist organization. We don't do 53 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: it because the Republican Party is filled with white men, right, 54 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: and they're the ones that get to write the laws 55 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: and break the laws and rewrite them for a other 56 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: fucking people. I am telling you that it is time 57 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: for the people, for the people to regain the power 58 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: in this country, power that we never really truly had, 59 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: but we were made comfortable enough. But now this terrorist organization. 60 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: The only thing that they have on the menu is cruelty. 61 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: The only thing that they have on the menu is 62 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: over policing, banning books, banning queer people, banning abortion, banning curriculum, 63 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: and instituting authoritarianism and fascism. Donald Trump is going to 64 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: be holding a campaign rally with known anti Semites. They 65 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: have top billing at this event, along with his fucking spawn. 66 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: We need to stop treating Republicans as if they are legitimate. 67 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: They stand for violence, they stand for rape, they stand 68 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: against abortion, they stand against democracy. There is no mincing 69 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: words about it. There is no working across the aisle 70 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: because the only work that Republicans are interested in is 71 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: destruction and undermining this country. And also with the debt ceiling, 72 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: fucking chicken game that they're playing, putting the world's economy 73 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: at risk so that they can figure out a way 74 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: to bring back their fucking cheeto martyr. Folks, you hear 75 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: that sound going off, You feel that tingling sensation. That 76 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: is the alarms going off both internally and externally. We 77 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: are at level hot fucking red right now in this country. 78 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: The folks of Texas need to take a page out 79 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: of those that were in Tennessee and take it to 80 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: the fucking streets. While people are being gunned down as 81 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: they're shopping at a mall, your fucking governor is passing 82 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: legislation that doesn't even require any training whatsoever to have 83 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: a gun, because it's all a part of their plan 84 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: to build their white supremacist militias that will go ahead 85 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: and enforce their autocratic rule. Folks, Wake up, Wake up, 86 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: because there is no motherfucking quiet part anymore. Coming up next, 87 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: my conversation with our good friend who is stopped by 88 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: wok F Daily MSNBC legal analysts, former federal prosecutor and 89 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Folks, I am 90 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: very happy to welcome back to WOKF Daily our friend, 91 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: MSNBC legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, and the host of 92 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Glenn, it has been a while, 93 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: and in that time there has been just a world 94 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: win of legal news, and I don't even know if 95 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 1: we call it legal news anymore. We just call it 96 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: crime in news. I mean, from Clarence Thomas and the 97 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and the major griff there to Donald Trump. Currently, 98 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: the juries and deliberation for the Egen King rape allegations 99 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and defamation suit. And a judge just issued an order 100 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: in the Manhattan District Attorney's k with regard to the 101 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: thirty four felony indictments placed a gag order on Donald Trump. 102 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: And I want you to be able to just explain 103 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: what this gag order is and why. I mean, I mean, 104 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: I have thought that Donald Trump should have been gagged 105 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: a long time ago, but why this is happening now 106 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: and will what could be the repercussions of it if 107 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: he breaks said gag order. 108 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: So I think the. 109 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: Reason we're seeing a gag order now, it's sort of 110 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: the cumulative effect of everything Donald Trump has been posting 111 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: and saying. Most recently, he posted that Joe Biden and 112 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: Merrick Garland illegally unleashed Alvin Bragg and Fawnie Willis and 113 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: New York Attorney General Letitia James on me, Donald Trump 114 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 3: to stop me from winning the twenty twenty four election. 115 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: There are so many lies packed into that sentence. One, 116 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: it is designed to gain unfair advance for Donald Trump 117 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty four election by suggesting Biden and 118 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: Garland have control over state prosecutors and they have unleashed 119 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: them on Donald Trump. 120 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: That's absolute bs. 121 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: And look, Donald Trump has been endangering judges and their families, 122 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: prosecutors and their families, grand jurors, trial jurors, witnesses, and 123 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg's prosecutors said enough, we are preparing to give 124 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: over discovery. And what discovery is in a criminal case 125 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: is they package up all of the relevant information and 126 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: evidence that they are required under the rules to provide 127 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: to the defendant and they give it over. 128 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: Well, what will Donald Trump do with it? 129 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: Once he gets his grubby, little and I do mean 130 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: little hands on that evidence, He'll begin posting it, He'll 131 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: begin lying about it, He'll begin boxing people. He will 132 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 3: not so subtly earn his supporters to get after them. 133 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: And so that's what prompted Alvin Bragg's team to say, Judge, 134 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: we're moving for a gag order, really more precisely a 135 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: protective order, saying Donald Trump can't post, can't talk about, 136 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: can't misuse all of this information we are about to 137 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: give him. And Judge Mersham agreed and issued a couple 138 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: of different kinds of protective orders, one saying Donald Trump 139 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: and he names Trump specifically, not just the defense team. 140 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: You can't post anything about any of it, and by 141 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: the way, you can't copy it, you can't photograph it, 142 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: you can't retain it. And in fact, the stuff that 143 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: the prosecutors label as limited disclosure information, you're not even 144 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: allowed to look at it without being babysat by your 145 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: defense attorneys because you're a petulant little child. I mean, 146 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: the fact that these kind of protective orders and limitations 147 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: have to be put in place for a former president 148 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: of the United States is insane. Usually do this kind 149 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: of stuff in violent crime cases or in rico cases. Well, now, 150 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: welcome to that ignoble club Trump, you violent criminals and 151 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: mafia folk. 152 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think that it's wild to that mainstream 153 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: media is not discussing that right that we continue to 154 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: move through this as if the precautions that are being 155 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: taken are totally normal, like, oh, this happens in every case. 156 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: You would think that with the president of the United States, 157 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: you're being held right to a much higher standard of 158 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: behavior and that we would rely upon you to ensure 159 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: the safety of people by telling your rabid followers to 160 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: stand the hell down. But that's not what Donald Trump does. 161 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: It has been the pattern of behavior since he was 162 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: in office and out of office, and so you know, well, Glenn, 163 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: I am. I love to say that, oh we'll never see, 164 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: and I stopped doing that during the entire Trump administration 165 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: is we have seen judges be targeted, their families be targeted. 166 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: We've seen them have family members that have lost their 167 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: lives and judges that have lost their lives. What happens 168 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump impedes this gag order? If Donald Trump 169 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: continues to do what he's been doing on the campaign trail, 170 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: which is essentially lift up these very violent people. Right, 171 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: he had the January sixth choir in Waco, Texas. Right, 172 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: you have just now I want to make the connection 173 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: for the folks the shooter, the murderer in Alan, Texas 174 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: at the mall shooting had on the what was it? 175 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Right wing death squad badge that was worn and sold 176 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: on the Proud Boys website. Right, these are the folks 177 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump hold to stand back and stand by. 178 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: These are the folks that Donald Trump has said are 179 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: good people. Right. So I mean I am very scared. Right, 180 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: I'm scared for Alan Bragg. I'm scared for this judge. 181 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: What happens if this order is broken, and you know, 182 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: what are the protections that are in place in this 183 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: really erratic time when, even if it isn't Donald Trump, 184 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: we know we're seeing what's happening with the people who 185 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: support him. 186 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: So Judge Marshawn has an array of possible steps he 187 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: can take. I'm going to say when Donald Trump violates 188 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: this protective order, not if Donald Trump will violate it. 189 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: He could do nothing. He could just let it go, 190 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: which will embolden Donald Trump. He could haul Donald Trump 191 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: back in before the court and he could increase the 192 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: limitations or the restrictions. He could place one hundred percent 193 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: gag order on him, saying you have demonstrated an unwillingness 194 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: or inability to abide by lesser gag orders or protective orders. 195 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: I am now ratcheting it up. And the next step, 196 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: if you continue to violate it, I will consider the 197 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: prosecutor's request to step you back detain you because you 198 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: can't be trusted to abide by court orders. Now, that 199 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: is a pretty significant penalty, and he could short of that, 200 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: he could hold him in contempt and order him to pay, 201 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: you know, a fine, which Donald Trump won't care about. 202 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: He'll fundraise off it and probably end up with a 203 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: gain at the end of the day. 204 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: If the court orders find the only thing to do 205 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: with people who are inciting and inspiring imminent violence is 206 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: detained them take their bullhorn away. And I haven't seen 207 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: an appetite in our prosecutors or our judiciary to do 208 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: the hard work, the forward leaning work of stopping this 209 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: rampant violence that is being sort of advocated for every day. 210 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: Why the Proud Boys organization isn't designated a terrorist organization 211 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: and then we go after not only the organization but 212 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: those who kind of spout off violent rhetoric likely to 213 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: and designed to inspire imminent violence is beyond me. 214 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: You know. 215 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: I keep thinking that we are so concerned that if 216 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: we do something and will be criticized for stepping the 217 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: toe over the constant to shell a ligne, violating somebody's 218 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: free speech rights. If we do anything to curb the 219 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: rampant gun violence in this country and we're criticized, you know, 220 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: stepping a toe over the Second Amendment, Danielle, We're going 221 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: to freedom ourselves to death. 222 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: Come on, if we don't start. 223 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: Taking action to stop this nonsense, does. 224 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: This gag order to glunt. Does it pertain to the 225 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: lawyers using their his lawyers using their bully pulpit using 226 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: social media. That's one question. And then the other one 227 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: is we also know that, you know, his spawn continue 228 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: to spout and share a lot of violent rhetoric on 229 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: social media, What if anything would be done to them? 230 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm reading through the motion right here. I do 231 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 3: believe it. There's no loophole. 232 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: For the lawyers to percept what Donald Trump can't post. Okay, 233 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: And frankly I don't. 234 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: I don't think even as you know, poor you know, 235 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: in the performance sense, as poor as the you know, 236 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: Joey Takapine is and these kind of guys are, I 237 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: don't think they would be the ones violating the court order. 238 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: I think it's all about Trump. But if they do, 239 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 3: they could you know, there are some additional possible sanctions 240 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: because they could be referred to their own bar council 241 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 3: for sanctions, for suspension, for fines, and ultimately for disbarment 242 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: if it's a an egregious enough transgression. 243 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: So, you know, the. 244 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: Judge Marshawn has taken an important first step. And here's 245 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: the thing. We are making incremental progress. I know it 246 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it, but he has been tried for 247 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: sexual assault and defamation, and a jury is deciding his guilt, 248 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: not his guilt, but deciding who to rule for e 249 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: Gen Carrol or Donald Trump, a former president, has now 250 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: been tried for or sexual assault and defamation. He has 251 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: been criminally indicted for thirty four felony accounts of creating 252 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 3: false business records why to steal the presidency. This is 253 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: not creating false business records because you're trying to keep 254 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: a little bit of money that you really should pay 255 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 3: to the government in taxes. 256 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: Now, this was. 257 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: False business records designed to steal the presidents. He's criminally indicted. 258 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: Now we have a new first. We have him with 259 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: a gag order prohibiting him from misusing the evidence he's 260 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: about to get in discovery. We're making progress. It doesn't 261 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: feel like it, but we are making progress. 262 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: Glen. In the time that we haven't spoken to you know, 263 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: I want to head down now, just mentally to Georgia 264 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: where the DA down there. Bonnie Willis issued a statement 265 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: which I at the time thought was weird, you know, bizarre, 266 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: issued a statement saying that the decision of whether or 267 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: not to indict is going to happen between July and 268 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: September of this year, and was putting the law enforcement 269 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: on months notice. Glenn, what did you make of that statement? 270 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: Was it? Like, why would Fannie Willis make it so 271 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: many months in advance? Why do you think that that 272 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: was necessary? 273 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with putting law enforcement on notice. 274 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: She could have had a behind closed doors meeting right 275 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: saying okay, folks, you know indictments are coming in July. 276 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: That wasn't for law enforcements benefit, my benefit, your benefit. 277 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: It was for the benefit of the twenty plus targets 278 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: of her criminal investigation. She put them directly on notice 279 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: with this letter that you all have until July to 280 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: come in cooperate. You know, probably take a little bite 281 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: of the criminal charges that you have coming your way, 282 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 3: but you'll be able to reduce your exposure significantly if 283 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: you plead guilty and begin cooperating so I can work 284 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 3: my way up the criminal ladder. This was a pr 285 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: move designed to pressure the twenty plus targets of her investigation. 286 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: Had nothing to do with putting law enforcement on notice. 287 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: Now, is that a risky move in your opinion? Like, 288 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: because again, isn't that something that could have been directly 289 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: sent to the folks who have been asked to come 290 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: in to provide their deposition over the course of these many, 291 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: many months. Isn't that something that could have been done 292 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: in private? What does it mean to do it in 293 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: such a public way. 294 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: It doesn't become real to many criminal targets of a 295 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 3: grand jury's investigation until it is out there the public square, 296 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: because then they're going to understand that. Fawnie Willis just 297 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: put herself on the line and said, I don't think 298 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: she really said, and I don't know that you have 299 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: to read between the lines that I'll make a decision 300 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: whether to prosecute people in July. She said, law enforcement 301 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: buckle up charges are coming in July. That was the 302 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: I think thrust of her letter. Once that's put out 303 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: there publicly by the district attorney, the targets know it's coming, 304 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: rather than well, you know what, we're still kind of 305 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: dealing behind closed doors. I'm thinking maybe my attorney can 306 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: still keep me from being indicted. 307 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: At no, No, you. 308 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: Got sixty days and then you're gonna find yourself on 309 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: the other side of the v. 310 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: Georgia v. You what you're gonna do. 311 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: So in this time too, Glenn, we have now seen Enriquaetorio, 312 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys and three other members can victed found 313 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: guilty on conspiras on a seditious conspiracy, which you and 314 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I have talked about so many times because it's a 315 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: difficult charge to bring and to prove. So now multiple 316 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: people from the Oath Keepers to the Proud Boys right 317 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Again, how does 318 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: this these convictions, these guilty charges fall on the Department 319 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: of Justice and the work that Smith is doing. 320 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is something I call atmospheric precedent. You know, 321 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: legal precedent technically means when an appellate court decides a 322 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: case hands down an opinion, all the lower courts are 323 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: obliged to follow that precedent. That's what precedent means most 324 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: precisely in the law. But atmospheric precedent is when you know, 325 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: juries return verdicts in cases that are related to other 326 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: cases and other people. And here's where I think the 327 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: Department of Justice gets the biggest bump from the Proud 328 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 3: Boy's convictions. Enrique Tario was convicted of seditious conspiracy and 329 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of crimes that were committed at the 330 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: Capitol on January sixth, And he was not at the 331 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: capital on January. 332 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: Sixth, He wasn't even in DC. 333 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 3: You know who else wasn't at the Capitol but was 334 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: but is responsible for what happened there on January sixth, 335 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, 336 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: Mark Meadows, Donald Trump. Now both the Department of Justice 337 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: has charged and a jury has convicted somebody who was 338 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: responsible for those crimes but was nowhere near the capital. 339 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 3: That kind of sets an atmospheric precedent. And if I 340 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 3: were involved on the prosecution team, I would say, Ken, 341 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: we finally go after the people at. 342 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: The Willard war Room now and indict them? Can we finally. 343 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: Go after Mark Meadows and Donald Trump and indict them? Look, 344 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: we're doing a bang up job prosecuting the boots of 345 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: the insurrection to foot soldiers. Time to get after the 346 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: suits of the insurrection, the people who organized, orchestrated, funded, 347 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: and incited, indeed gave the order to attack the capital. 348 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: Let's get after it because we're burning democracy daylight. It 349 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: blows my mind that we're treating Donald Trump like a 350 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: viable candidate for the presidency. 351 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: Let them hold town hall meetings, and CNN is gonna 352 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: comporate it. Are you insane? Are you insane? 353 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: This man he should be hounded every second of every 354 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 3: day by every reporter on earth until he has nothing 355 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: he can do but like say, in his little third 356 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: rate resort mar A Lago with his moles that is, bedbugs, 357 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: and not see the light of day until the marshals 358 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: come and arrest him. 359 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: It's insane that. 360 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 3: We treat this man like he's a viable candidate for 361 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: government office. 362 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: After he ordered, he organized, he launched an. 363 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: Attack on the US capital to try to unlawfully retain 364 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: the power of the presidency. 365 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: That is lunacy. 366 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean everything that you said, I have been tweeting, 367 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I don't understand how this. Having 368 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump do a town hall at CNN right now 369 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: as the man is literally as a jury is literally 370 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: deliberating a rape case that he is at the center of, 371 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: is like would have been giving Harvey Weinstein a town 372 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: hall in the middle of all of the horrific allegations 373 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: that were coming down of sexual assault and violence. Like, 374 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: how do I don't understand the difference there. 375 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: And this is a man Danielle, who we saw during 376 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: the Egen Carol trial. We saw his deposition. He said, Hey, 377 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: for millions of years, stars have been able to sexually. 378 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a star. 379 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: And you know what, unfortunately or fortunately, I get to 380 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 3: do it, he said, stars get to sexually assault women. 381 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 2: I'm a star. I get to do it. 382 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: Fortunately, every single Republican politician who remains in Donald Trump's 383 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 3: corner co signs that statement, adopts that statement, and announces, Yes, 384 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: that's the kind of person we want in the Oval office. 385 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Are you sing kidding me? 386 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it is it? Honestly, Glenn, it is. We 387 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: are in such and I'm so tired of this word, 388 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: but such unprecedented, erratic, violent, criminal times. And honestly, you know, 389 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: the last question that I have for you today is, 390 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: even if, Glenn, even if all were to go our way, 391 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: even if Jack Smith comes down, even if you know, 392 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: the if Fannie Willis comes down, we go to court 393 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: in Manhattan, Egen wins her. You know it's decided in 394 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: her favor. Where do we go do you know, like 395 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: you because you have you just named we have an 396 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: entire Republican Party that is behind a man that has 397 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: been incused at least twenty six times of sexual harassment 398 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: and assault. A man that has thirty four felony indictments 399 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: against him for falsifying records, has other indictments hanging over 400 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: his head for either stealing documents inciting an insurrection, Like 401 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: where do we go? 402 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, you. 403 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: Know, I asked myself the question all the time. Can 404 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: we really really dig out and rebuild? I hope the 405 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: answer is yes. I have to believe the answer is yes, 406 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: because the alternative is just too dark to consider that. 407 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: No, we can't. We're done. We're just going to. 408 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: Spend the rest of our lives fighting aspiring autocrats and 409 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: dictators and avowed you know, sexual offenders who say they 410 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: have a right to do it. 411 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: But you think about it. 412 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: I mean, the Republican Party took away women's rights. The 413 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: Republican Party is comfortable with children being murdered because they're 414 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 3: more interested in supporting the gun lobby and everybody's you know, 415 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: desire to have a weapon of mass destruction an assault rifle. 416 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: I mean, they're comfortable with compromise at the Supreme Court. 417 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: They embrace all of this. Yeah. So, hopefully if the 418 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: Republican Party is put out of business by this as 419 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: a result of their continued adherence to Donald Trump, some 420 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: responsible Republican Party rises up from the ashes. 421 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: I always point to people whose policies. 422 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: I disagree with, but Liz Cheney and Adam Kinsinger who said, 423 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: I don't care about my job. I care about protecting 424 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: and saving our republic from criminal politicians, and that is 425 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: how I will spend my days fighting and listen, great, 426 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: let's have them come into power and then argue about policy, 427 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: not about whether sexually assaulting women is fortunately something the 428 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 3: stars get to do. 429 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: Glenn, we will leave it here today. Thank you as 430 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: always for your analysis, your insight, and your indignation at 431 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: where this country is and our legal system is right now. 432 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. 433 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: Thanks Danielle. 434 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on woka 435 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: app as always, power to the people and to all 436 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: the people. Power yet woke, and stay woke as fuck.