Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan runt Dog,
Speaker 1: but enough about me. My guests today are an alternative
Speaker 1: natural group whose unique sound can perhaps best be described
Speaker 1: by one of their album titles, folk Pop and Roll.
Speaker 1: They went platinum in with their single Take It All Back,
Speaker 1: and have followed it up with a series of country
Speaker 1: tinged tracks like Suit and Jacket, Over My Head and
Speaker 1: Pictures featuring Casey Musgraves. They released their latest album, Pep
Speaker 1: Talks and Emotional Tour to Force that grapples with personal trauma, anxiety,
Speaker 1: and the grace and strength that it takes to come
Speaker 1: out the other side. Their new song Spirit is the
Speaker 1: Dawn After the Darkness, an uplifting track that seems custom
Speaker 1: made for these uncertain times. The band recently released an
Speaker 1: EP featuring five distinct versions of the song, the original track,
Speaker 1: a stripped down acoustic rendition, and then three remixes by
Speaker 1: friend group Twice Young and Lamourne. Each of the visions
Speaker 1: reveal new facets of a multidimensional track. Today, the band
Speaker 1: of dropping their all new single Helped Me to Feel Again.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to welcome Judah Nate and Brian, who
Speaker 1: together are known as Judah and the Lion. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Your new EP Spirit features five
Speaker 1: different versions of your track Spirit. That's such a cool approach,
Speaker 1: like all these showcasing all these different interpretations. How did
Speaker 1: that an idea come about? I think it was kind
Speaker 1: of just a product of the season we were going through.
Speaker 1: We recorded the original version in July, and it was
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of this first reunion in
Speaker 1: the Mystic COVID where we were able to get in
Speaker 1: the studio together and write and record. And then soon
Speaker 1: after that we were all living in different places, Like
Speaker 1: what I was telling you earlier, I moved to Sweden,
Speaker 1: Nate's been living in Colorado, So it was kind of
Speaker 1: this time where we were keeping it in touch over
Speaker 1: the distance, and I think that kind of birth the
Speaker 1: idea to bring about the song in different lights remotely
Speaker 1: as we could, whether through remix or doing like the
Speaker 1: acoustic version. And when was that written? Because the message
Speaker 1: of the song really feels so appropriate to the last
Speaker 1: year we've had, but it actually predates that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we actually wrote it. Me and Brown would appear
Speaker 1: in my loft like the previous November to COVID, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for for us our band, I
Speaker 1: think that with the within the last record and kind
Speaker 1: of going through transition, we were already kind of I
Speaker 1: think probably feeling a sense of spirit in like our
Speaker 1: story and I'm just kind of following suit with like
Speaker 1: the Pep Talks kind of message of hope and reality
Speaker 1: of that. But it was kind of like ironic that
Speaker 1: you know, we have this pandemic now and then we
Speaker 1: had the song about you know, not giving up and
Speaker 1: kind of coming together if you will. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: get asked a lot like yeah, it's just like bidding
Speaker 1: for the times, like, wow, we actually wrote it there
Speaker 1: less before. It must be so cool for you to
Speaker 1: hear the EP because all these different versions of song is,
Speaker 1: four different versions of the song, different remixes by different people,
Speaker 1: must almost be like hearing it as an outsider for
Speaker 1: the first time. Which which version was the most surprising
Speaker 1: for you? It was? It was interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: usually when we're hearing like remixes on songs or songs
Speaker 1: that we get back that we've asked for remixes, we're
Speaker 1: kind of all together. We're able to listen to it
Speaker 1: on on the road and kind of pick and shoes
Speaker 1: you know which one. But it was really interesting with
Speaker 1: within the email thread, if you will. It was like Brian,
Speaker 1: Like I remember Brian being super excited about the Lame
Speaker 1: Lame Moore and um, I think I'm pronouncing that right
Speaker 1: track and that was like so unique and flavorful and cool.
Speaker 1: I was really excited about the Brian White track or
Speaker 1: the Friend Group track, and um, he's a buddy of
Speaker 1: ours in town and and then um, Nate was excited
Speaker 1: about Twice Stone. But yeah, it was just interesting because
Speaker 1: each one of these had a different flavor and obviously
Speaker 1: the acoustic being a completely different flavor than those. Um,
Speaker 1: it just felt like it's on this email thread. We
Speaker 1: were just kind of like we like all these tracks
Speaker 1: and they offer kind of this unique spectrum for the
Speaker 1: song and the lyrics of the song and the story
Speaker 1: of the song is still says the same thing that
Speaker 1: you know. On the twice Young one, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit not sleepier but like kind of new to year
Speaker 1: and sleepier and and kind of you know, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of vocal samples kind of happening. And then
Speaker 1: the lay more and one of what I was really
Speaker 1: drawn to that one, and I don't want Brian to
Speaker 1: speak on that one too, but like the drum track
Speaker 1: with like a little bit more minor fuel was very unique.
Speaker 1: And then you know, on the Fring Group track, which
Speaker 1: was Brian White, it's it was just so anthemic to me,
Speaker 1: like I just I love like the drums and the percussion,
Speaker 1: um and all of it. So there is what is
Speaker 1: up Nate? We are now joined by Nate. How are you? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Sorry to be late, y'all, not a problem
Speaker 1: at all now that you're here. I guess just to
Speaker 1: ask in general, has the last year been a productive
Speaker 1: time for you all musically, Like have you all been
Speaker 1: sort of writing on your own and sharing stuff through
Speaker 1: zoom or Yeah, we've been trying to figure out different
Speaker 1: ways to definitely, you know, make all that happen still
Speaker 1: and sending new ideas back and forth, and if anything,
Speaker 1: we really like we made some acoustic versions and worked
Speaker 1: on some remixes, and that was, I guess, a simpler
Speaker 1: way without having to you know, go through some of
Speaker 1: more the organic process of building on a new song
Speaker 1: or a new idea that we definitely prefer to be
Speaker 1: more in person for did our best, but definitely Stokes
Speaker 1: kind of be back together now and be able to
Speaker 1: be face to face and have those connections that you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't able to have when we were apart from
Speaker 1: each other. Judy, you mentioned earlier your last album, Pep Talks,
Speaker 1: which is an album that grappled with all sorts of
Speaker 1: just just difficult moments in life. I get the sense
Speaker 1: that that the song Spirit is almost like like the
Speaker 1: calm after the storm, the morning after the storm, in
Speaker 1: a way, the sort of the vibe I got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of all the songs that we released with Beautiful
Speaker 1: Anyway and Spirit, and we have one coming out this
Speaker 1: week as well, it does kind of feel like kind
Speaker 1: of a rebuttal to the story of Pep Talks Um
Speaker 1: and Yeah, of like Spirit especially kind of has the
Speaker 1: message of hope and clarity and the messiness of all
Speaker 1: the things that we go through in life and especially
Speaker 1: this last year. But I guess at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's choosing not to give up and to
Speaker 1: push forward. It's fair to say you guys consider yourselves optimists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think this last year made an optimist out of a
Speaker 1: lot of us because he's just gotta gotta keep going up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two choices, either depression or optimist. I gotta ask. The
Speaker 1: song was used in the trailer for the new Muddy
Speaker 1: Duck series Game Changers. That must have been cool, right
Speaker 1: to see your track with Gordon Bombay. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's my childhood right there. Yeah, that was big. That
Speaker 1: was freaking epicy. I think all of us were just
Speaker 1: a little bit like in shock when we got that
Speaker 1: link with the email. Yeah, huge, huge money Ducks fan.
Speaker 1: I think we all are. But that was, like, like
Speaker 1: you said, like my childhood, my my main film franchise
Speaker 1: with sports and Disney and all that that really really
Speaker 1: loved And I think they placed it really well too,
Speaker 1: not just because it's our song, but the way that
Speaker 1: they made it fit and vibe with what's going on,
Speaker 1: I think was was perfect. And I've been watching the
Speaker 1: show and I think they crushed it. So it's so
Speaker 1: cool that we got to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: and really really sweet. It's interesting too, if like any
Speaker 1: any sink that we get, because I remember our first
Speaker 1: I first sink that we got on our first EP
Speaker 1: out of college. We were. We had a show in
Speaker 1: Birmingham and we told like all of our parents and
Speaker 1: our fans, like, our song is going to be on
Speaker 1: the show Nashville and it's like just go watch the
Speaker 1: show and then like all of our parents watch it
Speaker 1: and you couldn't even hear the song like like it was.
Speaker 1: It was like just the instrumental and it was in
Speaker 1: the background, and like even our moms like, we're like
Speaker 1: your song, you know, who are paying attention for every
Speaker 1: sound out? Like so I think getting back to the
Speaker 1: video of it and seeing Gordon Mumbay and seeing like
Speaker 1: the kids, it was just like wow, the song actually
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the vibe of the show and
Speaker 1: it was really that was awesome. It was it was
Speaker 1: Mother's Day recently. I know, Judy, your mom played a
Speaker 1: big role in your decision to kind of pursue songwriting,
Speaker 1: right you were playing songs around the house and and
Speaker 1: she gave you that that push. Tell me a little
Speaker 1: more about that. You've done your research that go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We so we all met the fresh in our band.
Speaker 1: We we we all met at Belmont. I was a junior
Speaker 1: and it was a sophomore, and Brian was a freshman.
Speaker 1: And at Belmont. I was a music business major on
Speaker 1: the production side, but essentially, as a student, you have
Speaker 1: access to all these amazing studios for free because you're
Speaker 1: you know, you have engineers that are learning to engineer,
Speaker 1: yet producers that are trying to produce. And I was
Speaker 1: a songwriter that was trying to learn about the music
Speaker 1: business side as well as the production. And honestly, at
Speaker 1: the time my junior year, I was I was pretty
Speaker 1: I don't want to say insecure, and then I'm not
Speaker 1: being self deprecating here, I just I didn't really believe in,
Speaker 1: I guess my voice yet and I was still kind
Speaker 1: of coming to and m my mom this summer when
Speaker 1: I went back home, I was just like playing upstairs,
Speaker 1: like in my in my room or whatever, like I
Speaker 1: would do as a kid, and like to sing these songs.
Speaker 1: She was like, what do you like? You know, you're
Speaker 1: at Belmont in two years these studios are gonna be
Speaker 1: really expensive, so like, why don't you just record an EP?
Speaker 1: And that's when I met the guys and we we
Speaker 1: recorded our first EP that that, I guess it was
Speaker 1: that following they were probably better at the timeline. The
Speaker 1: following year when we got back after Christmas break Twolve.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she was definitely that like punch to the gut,
Speaker 1: like tough love type thing, and I'm really glad that
Speaker 1: she she didn't support it and believed in it. This
Speaker 1: may sound like a corny question, but like was it
Speaker 1: love at first? Listen? Like, how soon after you guys
Speaker 1: started playing together, did you know like, oh, this is it?
Speaker 1: Like these are the guys, this is this is the thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the first time that we met and played
Speaker 1: together felt very natural, and it was it was unusual
Speaker 1: in a way because we didn't really know each other
Speaker 1: before that moment. Like the first moment we met, we
Speaker 1: had lunch and then just jammed a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt natural and it felt organic. It definitely felt
Speaker 1: to me at that moment like there was something special
Speaker 1: that could happen out of it. The sounds of of
Speaker 1: you guys, it's I think I think of your album
Speaker 1: titled Folk Call Unroll, it's like it's so unique. I mean,
Speaker 1: was that something that evolved organically or did you approach
Speaker 1: the project initially being like, no, I want to take
Speaker 1: these folk and bluegrass influences and kind of build on
Speaker 1: it and take it to this different place. It almost started. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: we were at least I was very said on like
Speaker 1: let's just stay a folk band, let's let's keep doing
Speaker 1: this thing. And we all have influences from other areas
Speaker 1: for sure, But it took getting into the studio when
Speaker 1: we were making kids these days to kind of get
Speaker 1: pushed by our producer to try some other sounds and
Speaker 1: incorporate other things in. And the first one was instead
Speaker 1: of doing an upright basse, using a mog synthesizer to
Speaker 1: cover that area. And I think when that got put
Speaker 1: on there and I remember being reluctant to that, and
Speaker 1: then hearing it, I was like, this is really cool,
Speaker 1: Maybe we can. I think that kind of just opened
Speaker 1: up the floodgates to trying new things and adding electric
Speaker 1: guitar and basically any other thing that we were excited
Speaker 1: about or interested in at least being willing to try it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, our our focus for our primary instruments
Speaker 1: at least when we started, we're banjo, mandolin, guitar, but
Speaker 1: really we all are all over the place with what
Speaker 1: else we write and what we like to listen to
Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's it's been more fun
Speaker 1: I think in an honest representation of who we are
Speaker 1: individually and collectively, to branch out and add those elements
Speaker 1: of literally anything else. I guess that has become more
Speaker 1: of I think our official sound, but then also still
Speaker 1: holding onto our our roots of banjo and mandolin specifically
Speaker 1: for each song, and trying to still make those kind
Speaker 1: of fit into the puzzle of all the different areas
Speaker 1: that we kind of dabbled it. Now. I was always
Speaker 1: gonna ask what did you grow up listening to? Did
Speaker 1: you all grow up listening to that that kind of bluegrass,
Speaker 1: Oh brother, we're out there top type sound or what? What?
Speaker 1: What was were you into? What was the music that
Speaker 1: first got you into music? For me, I was my
Speaker 1: parents started the symphony and so I definitely was influenced
Speaker 1: on that level classically and listening to that a lot.
Speaker 1: But I think when I first fell in love with music,
Speaker 1: and for myself, it was like kind of rock punk metal.
Speaker 1: We're the things like you know, the Green Day, Lincoln
Speaker 1: Park Link two to Avenge, sevenfold in, Flames and Disturbed
Speaker 1: and Slip Knot. I think we're some of the ones
Speaker 1: that I was really into. I'd stay around middle school
Speaker 1: when I particularly got excited and more inspired. I used
Speaker 1: to make my own music. That was what I was
Speaker 1: definitely listening to. But let's say folk came later. Got
Speaker 1: into that more around high school with Nicols Creek and
Speaker 1: uh John Butler, those are probably my big influences there.
Speaker 1: And then got a banjo as a high school graduation
Speaker 1: gift because it almost like you'd probably like this, and
Speaker 1: I said, sure, somehow that's the one. The one I
Speaker 1: ended up playing for for all this Bryan tute, it
Speaker 1: would bet you guys. For me, it was kind of
Speaker 1: two sides of the coin with with my dad and
Speaker 1: my mom also being like influences. Like when I was
Speaker 1: in my dad's car was always kind of you know,
Speaker 1: run the MC him and um like he's kind of
Speaker 1: throwing a party and his suburban with like he was
Speaker 1: like the cool dad, like listening to hip hop. You know.
Speaker 1: My mom was more kind of like an R M
Speaker 1: R Speedwagon top Petty Queen, all the Rick and Backer
Speaker 1: rock type stuff, Gelton Show, I mean, I kind of
Speaker 1: like the classic just more kind of eclectic. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe like John Jett was like one of her favorite
Speaker 1: artists as well. I think they had kind of attitude
Speaker 1: and chip on his shoulder, like rock wise that was
Speaker 1: kind of blowing out of the top when she was
Speaker 1: growing up. What kind of my my influences. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: grew up playing starting on a piano and and then
Speaker 1: eventually like picking up guitar and playing in more rock bands,
Speaker 1: like in the middle school talent show, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So I was really big into Ben Folds play, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely did our Fisher playing Sweet Child of Mine. But
Speaker 1: then similar to Nate, I got a mandolin as a
Speaker 1: Christmas gift around the end of my senior year of
Speaker 1: high school, and and then also meeting Nate really introduced
Speaker 1: me even more into bluegrass music. Moving from Chicago to
Speaker 1: Tennessee was a lot more exposure to bluegrass music, and
Speaker 1: I think that was around the time that I met
Speaker 1: the guys, was the peaking my interest in that genre.
Speaker 1: So I think that was not not a plan for
Speaker 1: you guys, because the mandolin was a Christmas gift, It
Speaker 1: wasn't like my main instrument. It definitely played a part
Speaker 1: in like the beginning of our journey and kind of
Speaker 1: going from there. I want to ask you more about
Speaker 1: your writing process because I think I read that your
Speaker 1: your song take It All Back came together like in
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes in a ship. I think, do
Speaker 1: the best songs come quickly or are they're ones that
Speaker 1: you really love and feel passionate about that you really
Speaker 1: lavished a lot of attention on for a long long time,
Speaker 1: Like we kind of running the game about both of
Speaker 1: those stories. Like take It Off Back was kind of
Speaker 1: a moment of time. It was just a quick you
Speaker 1: were you were actually rehearsing for the tour. We just
Speaker 1: started kind of gaming and they had kind of come
Speaker 1: up with this stage a lot that I think you
Speaker 1: had light before. For whatever reason that that day it
Speaker 1: just kind of something kind of struck and we ended
Speaker 1: up playing that song on the tour because we loved
Speaker 1: this so rich um, you know, that wasn't out yet,
Speaker 1: so that that was like kind of a magical moment.
Speaker 1: But then like a song like the Student Jacket or
Speaker 1: a song like over my Head, they were written over
Speaker 1: the course of like five years, that was kind of
Speaker 1: like a slower process. And so I think there is
Speaker 1: definitely a magic in the ones that come quack, but
Speaker 1: also allowing the ones that need to be slower to
Speaker 1: come slow. And I think that's kind of the beauty
Speaker 1: of like I think the beauty of music and writing.
Speaker 1: It's like there's there's not really one format that is
Speaker 1: necessarily correct. Yeah, I was just kind of like kind
Speaker 1: of following the song where wherever it goes and in
Speaker 1: a very gify way and saying that you mentioned rehearsing
Speaker 1: for for touring. Obviously it's been really difficult this last
Speaker 1: year to tour. I try to pitch in and help
Speaker 1: in what little way I can. I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: have you ever had any spinal tap moments on the road,
Speaker 1: Moments on tour where you're just like, this is a disaster.
Speaker 1: Were you know, we we were lost on the way
Speaker 1: to the stage, the bus broke down where you know,
Speaker 1: we're opening for a puppet Shell. Any any funny moments
Speaker 1: from the road that you remember. When we were on
Speaker 1: the tour with Incubus and we had like a one
Speaker 1: off date that was in New York but the next
Speaker 1: day was in Portland, I think our flight that morning
Speaker 1: got canceled from New York, so we had like we
Speaker 1: had to figure out a way to get to Portland
Speaker 1: and play the show that night. And so I think
Speaker 1: it was you know, like a seventeen hour travel to
Speaker 1: We ended up planning to Seattle and then driving and
Speaker 1: we were actually I think fifteen minutes late for our set,
Speaker 1: but we just we just rolled up and just ran
Speaker 1: on stage and played like half of the set and
Speaker 1: then just collapsed after that. I think that was that
Speaker 1: stands out for me as like one of the longest
Speaker 1: days in our touring history. I can't believe you made it. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: barely made it that that night to tour a slee
Speaker 1: like we we would start out to set, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we started out to set this time
Speaker 1: with like tea paints, booty work, just as like this
Speaker 1: survibe that we were kind of coming with and it
Speaker 1: actually wasn't really coming across very well to like that
Speaker 1: fan base demographic, but we just kind of like we
Speaker 1: just stuck with it because we were like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: our our job as a member advantage to the black esser. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's like the boken opinion and so like. But I
Speaker 1: remember that day we were also stressed, so tired, and
Speaker 1: there's two fans in the front row. It was like
Speaker 1: a bit of a couple and after we did few
Speaker 1: people work that day they like they're on the barricade
Speaker 1: on the rail and they like look the other way
Speaker 1: on our whole set. I've never seen it before. Like
Speaker 1: they were just absolutely discussed of coming out and like
Speaker 1: a little dance jig and then um, you know that
Speaker 1: was like that was a that was a rough, tough
Speaker 1: look for us. Yeah about Ben as a fromman going
Speaker 1: into like plunging someone, it was probably because it's just
Speaker 1: tire stress and this dude was just disrespect man. Man.
Speaker 1: We'll stay there. I hope that helps now, aren't you
Speaker 1: glad you're home? Exactly? Obviously, this last year has been
Speaker 1: tough for all of us for so many different reasons.
Speaker 1: What's been keeping you grounded? Like has there been a
Speaker 1: silver lining at all for this for you guys, Like
Speaker 1: what's been sort of like the thing that that has
Speaker 1: gotten you through the last year? And we've all, I mean,
Speaker 1: we've obviously all been different places, so we've all been
Speaker 1: individually growing a whole lot. I think for us individually,
Speaker 1: we have found like actually a lot of mental health
Speaker 1: and space to kind of be ground because I think
Speaker 1: we've all have discovered just kind of like what you're saying, like, um,
Speaker 1: for the greater amount of like our first eight years
Speaker 1: to be and like we were doing around two witter,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to pick these shows a year, and
Speaker 1: that I think for me, like we're just realizing, man,
Speaker 1: that actually was really taking a toll on me and
Speaker 1: my soul. And I think this year in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways has been like really healthy for like our
Speaker 1: relationships back home, being able to process things a little
Speaker 1: bit better as they come up, whatever the tragedies or
Speaker 1: traumas or whatever you wanna call them. Because when you're
Speaker 1: on the road and you're kind of in the think
Speaker 1: of the rhythms, you're almost like you're not on an
Speaker 1: autopilot because each show and everything it's like a new adventure.
Speaker 1: Well we all three well performing, But I think for
Speaker 1: me it's just been nice to be home and to
Speaker 1: be like rounded in like the family. And also when
Speaker 1: things come up, we're dealing with past things. I'm able
Speaker 1: to fully process rather than just going get out my
Speaker 1: rage like on a you know, on the stage, just
Speaker 1: deal with whatever is in front of you. On on
Speaker 1: the tour, I feel like it's whatever is that day's
Speaker 1: thing you've got to get through, as opposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: the bigger things that are inside of us. Is has
Speaker 1: that come through and what you've you've been writing recently,
Speaker 1: Like if you noticed a shift in your writing style
Speaker 1: in the last year. Yeah, sorry, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking several round so my moms like
Speaker 1: that snow way, UM, I think I think it does.
Speaker 1: Like I think our band we always try to write
Speaker 1: something relative to the story that we're living because we
Speaker 1: want people to get the most optic de vision of
Speaker 1: our story. And UM, I think I think that kind
Speaker 1: of came through on EP talks as far as like
Speaker 1: just price story, the journey that I was going through
Speaker 1: with my family. UM. And we're trying to find those
Speaker 1: patterns within the pretty less for kind of what's coming on, um,
Speaker 1: you know all the stuff that we've kind of been
Speaker 1: processing and doing them this time. You know, Briane s
Speaker 1: been Sweden and it's been win a car coming here.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of growth and there's kind of
Speaker 1: now that's kind of coming together, um, which has been
Speaker 1: hard and amazing. UM. So we're kind of looking forward
Speaker 1: to the new songs kind of coming out that we're
Speaker 1: picking up and I'm excited. I'm really excited for this song.
Speaker 1: This week, come out and grow up. Nate and Brian,
Speaker 1: what what about you, guys? What have you? What's been
Speaker 1: keeping you? Uh, sort of on an even keel the
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, I was able to. I guess when
Speaker 1: We've been off the road for most of our career,
Speaker 1: I've been continuing to move around and keep traveling or
Speaker 1: trying to find that place that really felt like I
Speaker 1: could rest and and all that. And I think this
Speaker 1: break was it really allowed me to have that and
Speaker 1: find that out in Colorado, close to where I grew up.
Speaker 1: And so I've been based out of winter Park up
Speaker 1: in the mountains and really diving into that community and
Speaker 1: being present there and uh, yeah, it's it's been an
Speaker 1: awesome space too. It's the first time I've been somewhere
Speaker 1: and like didn't want to leave, I think so like
Speaker 1: to yeah, to continue to want to press in and
Speaker 1: show up there every day. And I love to ski
Speaker 1: and snowboard and so it's really easy to do that
Speaker 1: there and just also really small town vibe, which I'm
Speaker 1: into as well. I like kind of running into people
Speaker 1: constantly and having a small niche community there and so
Speaker 1: that's been a really really awesome space for me and
Speaker 1: I think has definitely inspired me creatively as well, and
Speaker 1: just to take better care of myself too. And so
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm really thankful for or that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I'm thankful for in the midst of
Speaker 1: a hard season, but really getting to plug in and
Speaker 1: rest out there has been sweet. Well that's a hell
Speaker 1: of a silver lining. That's wonderful to hear. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: I've I think in a weird way, I've almost had
Speaker 1: to let go of the of my version of home
Speaker 1: because when we were touring constantly, I was I was
Speaker 1: almost this suspended reality wanting to get back home and
Speaker 1: like just pining for that moment of being back in Nashville.
Speaker 1: But then this year, obviously living in Sweden, I had to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we I wasn't traveling at all, which I've
Speaker 1: probably gotten a little bit too used to that now,
Speaker 1: never getting on a plane, never getting in a car,
Speaker 1: um like walking everywhere. But but I think it was
Speaker 1: a little bit. One thing that has grounded me and
Speaker 1: I've learned is like how I'm finding a version of
Speaker 1: home within my own self instead of in a place
Speaker 1: in like learning how to be content in that in
Speaker 1: whatever life throws at me because I definitely did miss
Speaker 1: Nashville at the beginning of that year, but then by
Speaker 1: the end I kind of felt a renewed sense of
Speaker 1: contentment in within myself. So that's a long, long answer
Speaker 1: to that, but that's kind of what's been keeping me
Speaker 1: grounded and what I've been learning that is amazing me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be here now, home is wherever you make it. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's a I think it's a beautiful thing
Speaker 1: to learn. I think it's a beautiful note to end on. Guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time and your music.
Speaker 1: It was such a pleasure talking you. Thank you. Thanks
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