Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works
Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. You
Speaker 1: put the three of us together, and you've got stuff
Speaker 1: you should know just in case you ever get lost
Speaker 1: in the desert. Is what we're going to give as
Speaker 1: our gift to you. Tradition. You know, it's funny as
Speaker 1: I was reading a podcast newsletter today, like an industry newsletter,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna buzz market it, alright, uh, and I
Speaker 1: mean there's only one now, there's probably more than one.
Speaker 1: There's several, are there? I think? So all right, I
Speaker 1: should get on there. I've seen at least two. Two
Speaker 1: can be several, right, isn't that the Biblical unit? Several
Speaker 1: is two? I thought the Biblical unit was a cubit, right.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we can laugh at this one. Um. And
Speaker 1: it said there was an article specifically about podcast burnout,
Speaker 1: and they interviewed someone that was like, you know, she
Speaker 1: started podcasting in two thousand seventeen and blah blah blah
Speaker 1: and experienced burnout. And I gotta laughed. I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, like people burn out in
Speaker 1: different ways and they may have a it's tougher workload
Speaker 1: than us. But I just sort of snickered that after
Speaker 1: eleven or click going on, eleven years, very soon ye
Speaker 1: have this April, but eleven years, like we we have
Speaker 1: moments of not burnout, like we get a little warm
Speaker 1: kind this again, but that quickly passes very quickly. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm never like I've never burned out. I would say
Speaker 1: that where I don't want to do this or anything. No,
Speaker 1: I know, I would say there's probably been like literally
Speaker 1: five times. I'm sorry to use the word literally, but
Speaker 1: I literally mean literally in this sense, yes, because you've
Speaker 1: built a statue of paper machee after each time represent
Speaker 1: each burnout, right, and they're they're on my desk, you
Speaker 1: can count them. Is five. But it comes in like
Speaker 1: just digging into a topic at a time when there's
Speaker 1: like a bunch of other stuff going on or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just been a really long stretch where maybe we're
Speaker 1: recording more than usual, and then when we get in
Speaker 1: here to record, it's gone agreed. That's when it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been and let me knock
Speaker 1: on wood. I don't think I've ever been in a
Speaker 1: recording session with you and been like not wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, agreed my friend. And weirdly, I am more
Speaker 1: burnt out with movie crush at times like it sounds.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm not seriously complaining, But ask Emily how
Speaker 1: many times I've been like, I gotta watch this movie
Speaker 1: tonight notes on because it takes long, and like I
Speaker 1: have to pause to take the notes because I don't
Speaker 1: want to miss anything. So it takes like three and
Speaker 1: a half hours to watch a movie and take notes.
Speaker 1: And plus, how I guess you're you're fundamentally not able
Speaker 1: to enjoy the movie. It's not like enjoying a movie, right,
Speaker 1: you're quite analyzing it a little bit. And it's at night.
Speaker 1: I'm kind I guess you're right, kind of, but and
Speaker 1: it's at night, so it's like I'm technically not at work,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just like I don't want to watch whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeahint point break? Who's who's his point break? Jordan Morris
Speaker 1: of Bubble and Jordan Jesse go, Okay, yeah, point break
Speaker 1: is a good one. No, no, no no, it was. It
Speaker 1: was really kind of fun watching that. Actually I don't
Speaker 1: know why I pulled that one up, okay, because it
Speaker 1: was the most recent one I watched. But to take
Speaker 1: notes on point break and it can be a little tedious,
Speaker 1: right bra. There's that one great part where they do
Speaker 1: the midnight surf and Kiano has just learned, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just hear this because it's obviously a d
Speaker 1: R like recorded afterwards, and you just hear him yell
Speaker 1: m E and surfing. Man. It's just such a great line.
Speaker 1: Does he say E or the F word? Well, he
Speaker 1: says the F word. That would have been better if
Speaker 1: you have said maybe on T n T that's how
Speaker 1: it said. Oh boy, um, oh there's one. Oh have
Speaker 1: you seen that? Sorry, I know we haven't even started yet.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that video of Keanue on the New
Speaker 1: York I believe subway giving a seat up to a
Speaker 1: lady who's standing. No, but he is a legendary good guy, yes,
Speaker 1: who's been through some horrible stuff. Yeah. Um, And I
Speaker 1: just want to be his friend, Kenna Reeves. If you're listening, friends, okay,
Speaker 1: well he's your friend first because you asked, well, we
Speaker 1: could share him, okay, all right? Tuesdays and Thursdays that's
Speaker 1: fine together. Okay, all right, that's a fair. You can
Speaker 1: have him well alternate weekends, okay, because you know Canda
Speaker 1: on the weekends. That's that's a party. He think he's
Speaker 1: a good guy Monday through Thursday. See how many seats
Speaker 1: he gives up on a Saturday. Alright, wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: one more thing. Can you imagine Kenna Reeves listening to
Speaker 1: this conversation at first, kind of chuckling himself, and it's
Speaker 1: getting like weirder and weird. Rights finally pressent stop and
Speaker 1: maybe you never listens again. We just blew our chance.
Speaker 1: Chuck all right, one more thing and then I swear
Speaker 1: I'm done. I meant to tell you that I did
Speaker 1: some l A sessions recently for movie Crush and UH
Speaker 1: the Great Show High Maintenance on HBO. It's one of
Speaker 1: my all time favorites. The dude on there, Ben Sinclair
Speaker 1: as the guy, the we delivery guy, UH is just
Speaker 1: like one of the main reasons I went there in
Speaker 1: person was just so I could meet him. I meet
Speaker 1: him and the first thing he said was is, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I used to listen to you and Josh when I
Speaker 1: UH was a shusher at this lesbian poetry bar, and
Speaker 1: I was like what. I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's a sushre. He's like, it's a poetry bar, you know.
Speaker 1: I said, there and shush people, and he's like, but
Speaker 1: he usedill listen. You guys always wonder what you look like?
Speaker 1: Did Josh quit smoking? And I was like, why don't
Speaker 1: you people ever reach out right, like do you know
Speaker 1: what that would admit to me? Which he was just
Speaker 1: a susure at the time, so maybe I know, but
Speaker 1: now he's made it. Yeah, So anyway, I told him
Speaker 1: that you quit smoking, You're doing great. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's listening for a bit, but do you think he's
Speaker 1: listening now? I don't know if he got back on
Speaker 1: the train or not, but if he did, do you
Speaker 1: think he's friends with Ken Reeve? Oh? Maybe? But ben
Speaker 1: Claire gives up his seat for no person. And if
Speaker 1: you if you say, like, maybe you should stand up,
Speaker 1: he goes, no, he would give up his seat. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: let's talk about desert survival. Imagine Chuck ben Sinclair is
Speaker 1: making his way through the desert in his car, priests
Speaker 1: will say, and he runs out of not just gas
Speaker 1: but electricity as well, which he might he has a
Speaker 1: big RV. Actually that's worked into the show. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: in his RV, so he just straight up runs out
Speaker 1: of gas, which probably happens a couple of times a
Speaker 1: day in a big old r V, I would imagine. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: Ben's in trouble because Ben was not expecting to have
Speaker 1: this extended stop and unexpected stop in the desert, so
Speaker 1: he did not bring a few things. Okay, if Ben,
Speaker 1: we're paying a little less attention to whether people were
Speaker 1: talking you need to be shushed or not, and more
Speaker 1: attention to his desert survival. What would he have packed
Speaker 1: in that RV, Chuck, Well, Ben Sinclair would have had
Speaker 1: probably a pound of weed. Okay, so he's got a
Speaker 1: good start there because he could burn that for a
Speaker 1: signal fire or for comfort and warmth. Um well, I
Speaker 1: mean I wrote this dumb article. This is a great article.
Speaker 1: Did you notice my stupid thing I did with the
Speaker 1: music titles? Sure, the Oasis thing and all of them
Speaker 1: are song titles. All the sidebars are song titles. And
Speaker 1: that was back when I was like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: am the most clever person alive. So I got the
Speaker 1: wonder wall one. Um, rescue me. Okay, I gotta me,
Speaker 1: but I was thinking more of the TV show than
Speaker 1: the song. There's also so everybody, if you go onto
Speaker 1: how Stuff works dot Com right now and look up
Speaker 1: how Desert Survival works. Each page, almost every page has
Speaker 1: a a a sidebar, and the title of the sidebars
Speaker 1: are song titles. Rescue me. After all, you're my wonder wall.
Speaker 1: What's what could it be? It's a mirage? What would
Speaker 1: it be? It's a mirrage? What is that I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 1: let's sabotage? Okay, that's a good one. And then finally
Speaker 1: a little shout out to uh Annie food, glorious food. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that was that was what used to make me
Speaker 1: happy at work. Yeah, I remember those days. Yeah you too.
Speaker 1: When you do like a clever photo caption and that
Speaker 1: would be that would get you through the week. We
Speaker 1: would stand up and like share it over the cubicle wall.
Speaker 1: Look at photo caption. Yeah no, it's gonna blow everybody's mind.
Speaker 1: All right. So, uh, you're in the desert, you want
Speaker 1: to have uh well, let's just let's just talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff. Okay. Yeah, what what should be in your
Speaker 1: kid water? A mirror? Uh? That's a big one way
Speaker 1: to start a fire. Yeah, that's a big one too. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's a lighter, food water. If you're gonna cross the desert,
Speaker 1: have a lighter, which seems counterintuitive because it's hot in
Speaker 1: the desert, but no, trust us. Well you'll see you
Speaker 1: want a lighter on you a mirror which you'll see too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we'll do. We'll say what's supposed to be
Speaker 1: in the pack and in the r V, and then
Speaker 1: we'll go back and we'll Okay, I'm suddenly burned out.
Speaker 1: Should we take a break? Yeah? All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a break and let's start the podcast in earnest. All right, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to stuff you should know. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,
Speaker 1: there's Cherry over there, and we're talking desert survival. So
Speaker 1: let's get to it. And so this is all due
Speaker 1: to the fact that we just recorded a very tough episode.
Speaker 1: So we're clearly just goofing off now. Um, so we're
Speaker 1: talking about deserts, and we did a desert episode yeah,
Speaker 1: and a desertification episode two, and I think one on
Speaker 1: the dust Bowl. But something that all deserts have in
Speaker 1: common is not sand, is not even heat. It's a
Speaker 1: lack of water. Technically, Antarctica is the largest desert on
Speaker 1: the world in the world, um, and there's lots of water,
Speaker 1: but it's all locked up as ice. There's no available
Speaker 1: water in exactly the same way as there's basically no
Speaker 1: available water in Death Valley in California. UM. Deserts have.
Speaker 1: The next thing that they have most frequently in common
Speaker 1: is again not sand, but exposed bedrock. All of those
Speaker 1: cool formations or whatever that's actually the bottom of the
Speaker 1: earth you're seeing exposed. All the soil has been dried
Speaker 1: out for so long because basically it's been pants. Um.
Speaker 1: We've got some good pants stories by the way, King
Speaker 1: soon Yeah. Um, the soil is so dry that it
Speaker 1: can't be held in place, so wind is blown it away.
Speaker 1: And so what you're seeing is the exposed bedrock. Sand
Speaker 1: only makes up something like of the world's death. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got pebbles, you have desert soil. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that bedrock you were talking about, We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: O a CS. So I think Anarctic is survivor an
Speaker 1: Arctic survival or even Arctic survival deserves its own episode
Speaker 1: short Day. So we're just gonna be talking about hot
Speaker 1: deserts and all of that sand and exposed bedrock and
Speaker 1: pebbles bakes in the sun and shoots that heat back
Speaker 1: out and it's just super hot. Okay. Yeah, so water
Speaker 1: is the biggest obviously the biggest, biggest problem. If you
Speaker 1: get trapped in the desert on foot or in a car, uh,
Speaker 1: and you think about, like, never go desert hiking. I
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about this. But have you ever
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I'm gonna take the long route through
Speaker 1: from Texas to California because it's more scenic. Uh, And
Speaker 1: then your car breaks down and you're in big trouble
Speaker 1: if you don't know what you're doing. Um. That happened
Speaker 1: to a woman. I can't find her name right now,
Speaker 1: but she is a She was a grandmother. I believe
Speaker 1: she's seventy two, who was driving in her Prius and
Speaker 1: it ran out of gas and electricity on the way
Speaker 1: I believe to Phoenix, and Um, she had an unexpected
Speaker 1: trip with her dog for nine days and survived amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did she eat her dog? No, Luckily she did not
Speaker 1: have to eat her dog. Did she survive on the
Speaker 1: saliva of her dog. Yeah, they well they spit in
Speaker 1: one another's mouth, so it was kind of but they
Speaker 1: did that any it was a wash. So, Uh, dehydration
Speaker 1: is obviously the first kind of UM physical symptom you
Speaker 1: might experience if you run out of water, uh decreased
Speaker 1: frequency of urine. Of course, if your urine is very
Speaker 1: smelly or very deep yellow, your mouth is going to
Speaker 1: be dry, your you know, as things increase, uh dehydration wise,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get sunken eyes, your heartbeats gonna increase. And
Speaker 1: if you get to the stage where you literally have
Speaker 1: no urine, or if you're vomiting and have diarrhea, then
Speaker 1: you're pretty bad shape. Yeah, So vomiting and diarrhea is
Speaker 1: like the last thing you want to do while you're dehydrated,
Speaker 1: because all it is is just getting rid of any
Speaker 1: remaining hydration you have. It's not good. That's that's a
Speaker 1: bad reaction to dehydration. Um. And we'll talk about heat
Speaker 1: casualty coming up, but UM kind of psyched about that bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But when we talk about water and rationing water,
Speaker 1: there's an old saying ration sweat not water, meaning UM,
Speaker 1: don't like drink all your water at once, but rahtion
Speaker 1: you're sweat like they say not to you know, if
Speaker 1: you are lost like this, like don't go hiking to
Speaker 1: find civilization during the peak of day. You want to
Speaker 1: ration how much output, how much you're sweating. Um, But
Speaker 1: you you do have to take in that water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when you're in the desert, you you recommend or
Speaker 1: I should say the experts recommend because it's obviously very
Speaker 1: well research starticle um that that somebody drink a gallon
Speaker 1: of water a day. Well, I mean that's what they say.
Speaker 1: If you've got like a you know, unlimited amounts of
Speaker 1: water a gallon a day, you need a rashtion it
Speaker 1: somewhat if you have very limited water obviously, But what
Speaker 1: you don't want to do, which happens a lot of times,
Speaker 1: is to be found dead with water in your canteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is it's haunting sure and um And like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean you want to you want to rashtion your sweat,
Speaker 1: not your water, but you do kind of want to
Speaker 1: rash in your water, like you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a little water piggy right out of the gate.
Speaker 1: But you also you recommend um via the experts that
Speaker 1: you that you don't just wait until you're thirsty, because
Speaker 1: you'll only get about two thirds of the amount of
Speaker 1: water you actually need just by going by thirst. You
Speaker 1: want to actually stop and like drink more water than
Speaker 1: you think you need. Yeah, and if you're hiking around again,
Speaker 1: we we talked about morning and evenings or the best
Speaker 1: time to go look for how um, if you see
Speaker 1: a trail, go down that trail because you have a
Speaker 1: better chance of finding someone there. Um. Follow the birds.
Speaker 1: Birds generally and animals go towards water. Yeah, Apparently if
Speaker 1: they're circling in the morning or the evening, they're probably
Speaker 1: circling around water. Try and get some groundwater going. But
Speaker 1: very wisely you point out through the experts that if
Speaker 1: there's like a little, you know, small mountain in between
Speaker 1: you and those birds, in a longer way around the
Speaker 1: mountain that's flat, take the longer way that's flat, because
Speaker 1: even though you might cut off a couple of hours
Speaker 1: between you and the birds, you're gonna really exert yourself
Speaker 1: going up that mountain, Whereas instead you want to you
Speaker 1: want to take the longer but slower, less exerting path
Speaker 1: to get to that water where the birds are circling
Speaker 1: for sure. If you're with someone, um, don't talk. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you can talk some, but don't just chat
Speaker 1: about your day. Try to conserve your words, Try and
Speaker 1: breathe through your nose. What do you think about grace jump?
Speaker 1: If you happen to see any wet sand or standing
Speaker 1: water anywhere, then you're in luck because you can dig
Speaker 1: down in there and you will probably find more water
Speaker 1: under you know this groundwater underneath it, which is that's
Speaker 1: a benaans. If you find like a groundwater in the desert,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be okay. Yeah. If you don't find
Speaker 1: any water and you run out of water, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to be okay. No, you also want to fire,
Speaker 1: which you said isn't very intuitive, but uh, if you've
Speaker 1: ever spending time in the desert, the temperature swings are huge.
Speaker 1: You can get cold in the desert at night, and
Speaker 1: then fire allows you to purify water. There's that whole
Speaker 1: safety feeling. It keeps mountain lions away, right. Sure. I
Speaker 1: would guess just about any critters don't go near fire
Speaker 1: because they associated with wildfires in the desert. Brush fires
Speaker 1: rescue signal. You can you can do that, I'll trick.
Speaker 1: I think we even did a show on smoke signals
Speaker 1: early on. No, I don't think so. No, No, And
Speaker 1: I've wanted to keep forgetting to write. Are you sure.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was like an early, early early
Speaker 1: to go listen to it because I wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: It's probably not very good. Um, but your whole point
Speaker 1: of all this is to find people and to get rescued. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make a great point about that. Yeah, Like, like
Speaker 1: the point of being lost in the desert is to
Speaker 1: make yourself visible. Yeah. The point of not being lost
Speaker 1: rather or being lost in finding rescue the key to
Speaker 1: being found. How about that? Right? So, if you are
Speaker 1: in a car, if your car is not working anymore,
Speaker 1: it's out of gas or whatever, flat dire um, blow
Speaker 1: it up. Basically, stick a hanky in the gas tank
Speaker 1: and just blow it up. So you want to stick
Speaker 1: the hanky in the gas tank. You want to fashion
Speaker 1: a bow and arrow, light the arrow, stand back and
Speaker 1: shoot the cars gas tank. That's what you want to know.
Speaker 1: You want to open your hood entire rag to it
Speaker 1: or a bandanna around your antenna or something anything like
Speaker 1: a typical sign of distress. Um, if anything to make
Speaker 1: it like something's up here. Sure. Yeah, like even if
Speaker 1: the hood is fine, like you raise a hood as
Speaker 1: an indicator. Yeah, like if there's no engine trouble, right,
Speaker 1: you can still raise the hood. It's all right. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna like arrest you when they rescue you. Uh, if
Speaker 1: you can spell out UM S O S or something
Speaker 1: like that with help clothing or help on the ground,
Speaker 1: for if a helicopter or plane is nearby. Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: That woman in Arizona was rescued by writing help. I
Speaker 1: think that's actually how they found her. She wrote help
Speaker 1: and sticks. Oh really yep. Nice. Her dog told her
Speaker 1: to do it. That stuff works. Uh, if you are
Speaker 1: in your car, you've got a leg up because you
Speaker 1: have your rear view mirror or your side view mirror.
Speaker 1: That just just go ahead and break that thing off
Speaker 1: and use it. Yeah. I think he said in the
Speaker 1: first few minutes that we're trying to forget about now
Speaker 1: that you want to have a mirror in your survival
Speaker 1: pack no matter where wherever you're going hiking. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have survival packs in their car,
Speaker 1: like most people. I think, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think about it. I've got like jumper cables and
Speaker 1: some rain cks. Does that count? You know? After that
Speaker 1: last stupid Atlanta I storm a few years ago that
Speaker 1: stranded people snow apocalypse. Yeah, I um, I think I
Speaker 1: had something in my car after that, but I have
Speaker 1: a different car now. It wasn't much, but it was
Speaker 1: like some water and a blanket and some like granola bars.
Speaker 1: I need to like stock up minded Emily's car with
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, for sure, you never know. I think
Speaker 1: they just remember when we had some tornadoes in Atlanta
Speaker 1: a few years ago. You and I were like, we
Speaker 1: really need like a crank radio and like all this stuff.
Speaker 1: We started together, and you're like, oh, I wonder what's
Speaker 1: on TV? Before your note? You're watching the Japanese game shows.
Speaker 1: He'd forgotten like eight hours go by. But a signal
Speaker 1: mirror is important, you know, you just uh flash that thing.
Speaker 1: It says here too. I was about to make fun
Speaker 1: of it, but I realized I wrote it. But practice
Speaker 1: on a nearby rock a good advice, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want your first attempt at signaling somebody with
Speaker 1: a mirror to be while you're trying to signal somebody
Speaker 1: in a passing aircraft. Probably so. And I mean like,
Speaker 1: if there's no cloud cover, you can get somebody at
Speaker 1: like thirty feet if you do it right. So heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: practice on a rock. What else are you gonna do
Speaker 1: while you're sitting around in the shade. Nothing? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: might be a Delta pilot up there. That's like, oh god,
Speaker 1: what is that? That's so annoying. You should have a
Speaker 1: whistle in your survival kit so you can blow it
Speaker 1: if you see someone from far away and um, they
Speaker 1: recommend that if you honk your horn for help, to
Speaker 1: be like hunk unk honk, and then wait and honk
Speaker 1: honk honk, because if you just lay on it like
Speaker 1: you're if you're in traffic, someone might hear that and
Speaker 1: just think this car has this horn stuck. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: be like that's so annoying. I'm gonna continue on past
Speaker 1: this weird um path and death valley that no one
Speaker 1: should be down. So let's say horn is stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: say you are in your car, your car is is
Speaker 1: jacked up, um, and you're like, all right, I've exhausted
Speaker 1: my resources here, screw this, i gotta go take a hike,
Speaker 1: leave a note on your car and say like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm broken down and I've gone northwest on at two
Speaker 1: a pm on Tuesday. Also, I'm Chuck Bryant, who hopefully
Speaker 1: you're looking for. You found him. Check out my podcast
Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know and movie Crush. Yeah, never miss
Speaker 1: an advertising opportunity. But if you do stay with your car, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, just don't sit around in your car, like
Speaker 1: sit in the shade. And they even say to sit
Speaker 1: on a blanket. Yeah. The reason being is because there
Speaker 1: can be something like a thirty degree height temperature difference
Speaker 1: between the ground and the air above the ground. Nuts.
Speaker 1: That's that's how barren and hot the ground gets. And
Speaker 1: it's it's not like the air above the ground is cool.
Speaker 1: It's still hot because the ground is heating it. But
Speaker 1: the ground itself is taking in all of that unbroken,
Speaker 1: unfiltered sunlight directly into it, holding as much as it can,
Speaker 1: and then shooting it back out. Is basically infrared heat
Speaker 1: um back into space through you. And if your butt
Speaker 1: is touching the ground through conduction, it's going to transfer
Speaker 1: directly to you or as through the air, be going
Speaker 1: through convection from the air to your butt, which is
Speaker 1: not nearly as efficient as conduction, So don't sit directly
Speaker 1: on the ground. Even sitting on a rock is better
Speaker 1: than sitting on the ground. But ideally you want to
Speaker 1: find the shade that your car is producing, whether it's
Speaker 1: the hood that's up or or just the car itself
Speaker 1: or whatever, and sit in that shade as best you can.
Speaker 1: Get your feet off the ground, like you said, I
Speaker 1: think too. Yeah, and take off your shoes and socks,
Speaker 1: especially if you're hiking around um during your breaks. Uh.
Speaker 1: They also say to not take off your clothes. Your
Speaker 1: instinct might be to take your clothes off, but um,
Speaker 1: those clothes you want them soaking up sweat because that'll
Speaker 1: cool you downright. Um. And also you know you don't
Speaker 1: want to be you don't want to take your shirt
Speaker 1: off and also have like a third degree sunburn after
Speaker 1: day either. I thought about that too. It's like that's
Speaker 1: I mean that that clothes that situation worse. Right, it's
Speaker 1: doing something to protect you from the UV. You know.
Speaker 1: I think it teaches the average T shirt as like
Speaker 1: a SPF of four or something like that. That's better
Speaker 1: than nothing. Um. Also, chuck if you are right, and
Speaker 1: I guess if like you're actually using this information we're
Speaker 1: giving you right now. First of all, good luck we're
Speaker 1: pulling for you. Secondly, um, if you are going to
Speaker 1: take off your shoes, don't do it in the sun
Speaker 1: because just that exposure of your bare feet to the
Speaker 1: sunlight for that short of a time can make your
Speaker 1: feet swell and you might not be able to get
Speaker 1: your shoes back on, which if you do end up
Speaker 1: having to hoof it out of there, you want your shoes.
Speaker 1: You don't want your feet all swoll up. No, so
Speaker 1: take take your shoes off and let your dogs air
Speaker 1: out in the shade. Only make a little hat if
Speaker 1: you don't have one out of whatever, You've got something
Speaker 1: in your car or something whatever. Like, If you have
Speaker 1: a piece of cardboard, put it on your head. This
Speaker 1: is the greatest sentence. God, I know I loved it.
Speaker 1: Are you really you didn't like this this article? Huh?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just sort of a reminder of
Speaker 1: darker days at this job. So may I read this? Sure,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a hat to wear, fashion a
Speaker 1: head covering with what you have on hand. You may
Speaker 1: look silly wearing a cardboard hat, but your goal is
Speaker 1: to survive, not win a beauty contest, and Lord drink
Speaker 1: a leader of water per hour to stay properly. We
Speaker 1: cut out that part earlier because it didn't sound right.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's if you have all the water
Speaker 1: in the world, but that just sounds like that's a
Speaker 1: lot of water. How you burn through your water? Uh,
Speaker 1: if your car is stuck And this actually happened to
Speaker 1: me once. I got a car stuck in the desert
Speaker 1: one time in the middle of the night with my
Speaker 1: friend when I yeah, I got it out without deflating
Speaker 1: my tires. But they say if you're stuck in the sand,
Speaker 1: to deflate your tires just a little bit. Um, don't
Speaker 1: like start goosing it because you're gonna dig yourself in more.
Speaker 1: Just apply like steady accelerator pressure and turn your wheels
Speaker 1: kind of back and forth a little bit. Let a
Speaker 1: little bit of air and you might be able to
Speaker 1: get out of there. Yeah, again, don't let a lot
Speaker 1: of air out because if you do get out, you
Speaker 1: still need to drive back home, and you don't want
Speaker 1: to do that on overly deflated tires. Okay, Um, So
Speaker 1: if you're going to should we should we take a break?
Speaker 1: Now you think oh why not. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break, everybody. There's there's a lot more to come.
Speaker 1: You're not toast yet because we have more stuff to
Speaker 1: tell you how to survive in the desert right after this.
Speaker 1: I really do love that sentence. That was a great sentence.
Speaker 1: There's one more in here. I can't wait to call out.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure I know what it is. Uh, should
Speaker 1: we talk about oaces? Sure? I mean it depends on
Speaker 1: where you are. But you know, the an oasis is
Speaker 1: just when wind has blown away enough sand that you
Speaker 1: get down to that groundwater. It's all an oasis is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like an aquifer. Yeah, imagine if there's nothing
Speaker 1: above the aquifer, now you've got a lake boom, that's
Speaker 1: an oasis. Yeah. But they can they can be big
Speaker 1: enough and exposed enough that you can have this like
Speaker 1: lush oasis in the middle of the desert. There's really
Speaker 1: no better word for it. Yeah. And then you know, um,
Speaker 1: if you're in the Sahara Desert, like the communities form
Speaker 1: around these oaces, there's one very large one called the
Speaker 1: Cargo Oasis that is a hundred miles long and depending
Speaker 1: on where you are, twelve to fifty miles wide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's plenty big to hold small towns. Plenty big. It is,
Speaker 1: it is. I'm just laughing at this article. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I wrote this thing. I I really value this article.
Speaker 1: This is its great, well written, well researched. This is
Speaker 1: when I was assigned, you know, your survival guy and
Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of these. You know, we've covered
Speaker 1: a few of them on the show, but plenty left.
Speaker 1: I thought these days were over. Uh. If you are hiking,
Speaker 1: the first thing they say is to walk slowly. You
Speaker 1: may you're instinct maybe to get out of there fast
Speaker 1: and find help fast. Very good advice, but that's no
Speaker 1: good no. Not only do you want to remind yourself
Speaker 1: to slow down, because that's what it takes. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna just walk slowly automatically. You're gonna be freaked out.
Speaker 1: So you have to stay calm and say I've got
Speaker 1: to walk slow and just take breaks every about ten
Speaker 1: minutes out of every hour. I think. Um, but if
Speaker 1: you're with a group, you want to walk, Um, you
Speaker 1: want to set your pace by the slowest and least
Speaker 1: fit person in the group. Just everybody walk that slow.
Speaker 1: That person will help pace everybody else um, and it
Speaker 1: will keep that person from just dying trying to keep up,
Speaker 1: like literally dying trying to keep up. I mean everyone
Speaker 1: else has to be like, geez, big Larry in the
Speaker 1: back is really holding us back. But big Larry is
Speaker 1: probably walking at the right speed, which is slow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least for you, he's walking slow enough for you
Speaker 1: to slow you down. That's right. That's not a T shirt,
Speaker 1: but it's still true. Should we get to your favorite
Speaker 1: part of this, which is heat casualty. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: you've got some science on this, right, yes, Well, the
Speaker 1: three major categories are heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and then
Speaker 1: heat stroke in that order. Yeah, and heat cramps or
Speaker 1: you know you can get those on a hot afternoon
Speaker 1: if you're out playing frisbee, you can. And all of
Speaker 1: it comes down to it's just basically an escalating um
Speaker 1: imbalance between water and the salt loss. So so like
Speaker 1: the electrical conduction in your muscles and all that from
Speaker 1: your heart to your legs is out of whack because
Speaker 1: you have lost a lot of water and you still
Speaker 1: have a higher salt concentration. Or else you've lost a
Speaker 1: lot of salt and there's still enough water that you're
Speaker 1: you're just not your muscles aren't aren't working quite right,
Speaker 1: so they can cramp. Right if that happens, you say,
Speaker 1: drink like a power aid. If you got it, what
Speaker 1: are you sitting there holding onto it for in the
Speaker 1: first place. For if you're lost in the desert with
Speaker 1: a power aid, I mean fire it down. It's like
Speaker 1: I don't like blue purple um. So that's step one.
Speaker 1: If you have a power aid. If not, if you
Speaker 1: have some water, drink the water. The cramps are gonna
Speaker 1: go away. You can overcome um he cramps pretty easily,
Speaker 1: it sounds like, but you want to stop, rest, get
Speaker 1: in some shade, stop moving, and attend to the heat
Speaker 1: cramps for sure. Yeah, that may lead to heat exhaustion
Speaker 1: if you don't have water and this, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's just an escalation of that imbalance. Um. You may
Speaker 1: be irritable or feel weak, or have a headache, or
Speaker 1: if you're vomiting and have nausea or clammy skin, then
Speaker 1: that's like heat exhaustion is seriously setting in. It is
Speaker 1: um and so again, like salt and electrolytes are really
Speaker 1: important to the electrical conduction in your body and your
Speaker 1: body moves through electrical conduction. It's a big, big component.
Speaker 1: So if that's off, your body's off. But then if
Speaker 1: you're really in trouble, you're you enter into heat stroke.
Speaker 1: And this is the point where your body's system at
Speaker 1: getting rid of heat has been overwhelmed by the heat
Speaker 1: it's taking on and you're in big trouble. When that happens, Basically,
Speaker 1: on a cellular level, your body is failing systemically because
Speaker 1: proteins aren't folding. Actually, in proteins do just about everything
Speaker 1: there is to do in a cell. They're starting to
Speaker 1: clump up and get weird. Then cells are suddenly dying. Um.
Speaker 1: One of your body's main tricks at getting rid of
Speaker 1: heat is through convection, sending your hot blood to the
Speaker 1: surface of your skin, which is why if you go
Speaker 1: into a sauna, your your skin gets flushed. But also
Speaker 1: if you'll notice your heart is pumping, is beating really hard,
Speaker 1: even though you're just sitting there. You're in the heat.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is your heart is working overtime
Speaker 1: shooting blood out to your skin to get rid of
Speaker 1: heat so that your body can cool down. It's using
Speaker 1: your blood as a heat transfer mechanism and your heart
Speaker 1: actually speeds up. You're actually pumping out up to eight
Speaker 1: liters a minute of blood, more than your heart usually
Speaker 1: pumps out when you're starting to enter heat strokes. So
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. Yeah, I would imagine that would
Speaker 1: put you in danger of cardiac arrest. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the results of that whole thing of
Speaker 1: severe heat stroke. So bad headaches, very dizzy, nausea, vomiting,
Speaker 1: your muscles might be spasm ing. That heart rate like
Speaker 1: you were talking about, is way high and you may
Speaker 1: be full on hallucinating at this point, or you may
Speaker 1: fall unconscious. Like heat stroke is no joke. Um, So
Speaker 1: you gotta find shade fast, which is I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the biggest part of our biggest challenge in desert survival
Speaker 1: is finding shade. You know, there's just nowhere yeh, but
Speaker 1: the big rock can be your shade exactly, like whatever,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, just fine shade because the difference between
Speaker 1: shade and sunlight in the desert is substantial. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: they like if you have any water, like now is
Speaker 1: the time. This is when you're found dead with your
Speaker 1: canteen full of have full of water because you're like, no, like,
Speaker 1: I still I'm a day away from finding help, right,
Speaker 1: you have no idea how far you're Yeah, like, this
Speaker 1: is go time to save your life. Plus, also, if
Speaker 1: you have any cool compresses, put them in your armpits,
Speaker 1: put them in your groin. Yeah, um, do whatever you
Speaker 1: can do cool, cool yourself down. Uh I do you
Speaker 1: have any cold compresses left over from the party around
Speaker 1: the campfire the night before? Apparently? Yeah, you're like, if
Speaker 1: I can only called down, Oh wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: have a frozen compress I can put in my crotch. Um.
Speaker 1: They are all kinds of animals in the desert that
Speaker 1: can be dangerous. Um, whether it's spiders, um. Tran Chillas
Speaker 1: are scary looking, but they're probably not gonna kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They don't really care about you. They don't want to
Speaker 1: bite you and knew what they do bite you. It's like, ah,
Speaker 1: stupid tranchila. Yeah, I mean, none of these things wanna
Speaker 1: find you, like you will find these brown reclusives and
Speaker 1: black widows under rocks or under brush or something like that.
Speaker 1: So don't go reaching in there. Don't go reaching in
Speaker 1: some hole like Timothy Dalton and Flash Gordon. You know,
Speaker 1: what hole did he reach into? You saw Flash Gordon, right, No,
Speaker 1: the old one. You should probably enjoy that. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that was Timothy Dalton in there. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a blonde guy. Well he played U Flash Gordon,
Speaker 1: but Timothy Dalton played the bad guy, one of the
Speaker 1: bad guys. But there was a challenge where they had
Speaker 1: to stick their hand in this big hole and there
Speaker 1: was a stinging creature inside this blob. It sounds like
Speaker 1: that Joe Rogan show. What was they called? You mean
Speaker 1: the Joe Rogan podcast? No, no fear Factor. Remember Fear Factor.
Speaker 1: I used to like that show. That was a good show.
Speaker 1: I could never have done that show though, because of
Speaker 1: the stuff you eat. Yeah, there was some gross stuff.
Speaker 1: That's where I just I was like, I can do
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but I can't eat that. I can't
Speaker 1: eat gross things. You could have done everything else though, well,
Speaker 1: I mean to a certain degree, but um, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no way I could eat eat those nasty things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd probably have an easier time with that than me. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think that would be pretty disgusting.
Speaker 1: On top of that, though, like doing things like sticking
Speaker 1: my hand in something or having like a box full
Speaker 1: of like spiders put over my head or scorpions or
Speaker 1: whatever I could do that I would not. I mean,
Speaker 1: like for what to be on TV. Well, exactly, all right,
Speaker 1: be TV is so great, everybody, it's not. It's cracked
Speaker 1: up to be certainly not where the box of scorpions
Speaker 1: on your head? Speaking of scorpions, there are thirty different types,
Speaker 1: more than thirty different types of scorpions and just Arizona,
Speaker 1: so uh. And they're all over the place, you know,
Speaker 1: They're in Georgia and in the mountains, in the woods
Speaker 1: of Georgia. Very few of them are poisonous, Nah, not
Speaker 1: very many at all. I think a couple of them
Speaker 1: can actually kill a person with their venom um by
Speaker 1: stinging you with that tail. They'll still hurt you though,
Speaker 1: Just don't go near the scorpions. Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can get sick from any of these things. Like a
Speaker 1: black widow is probably not gonna kill you either. No,
Speaker 1: but if you're already like in danger of something like
Speaker 1: he stroke exactly, a black widow bite is not going
Speaker 1: to help, and it's going to be exacerbated tremendously. No,
Speaker 1: But if you do get stung or bitten by something
Speaker 1: like that. And if you don't have that cool compress
Speaker 1: and your crutch, use that cool compress around the biters sting,
Speaker 1: don't elevate it. Yeah, that's a big one. Sure. You
Speaker 1: also want to put it kind of a loose turning
Speaker 1: kid around it. You want to be able to fit
Speaker 1: one finger in the tourniquet so tight ish, I guess
Speaker 1: there's a way to put it. Yeah, And again get
Speaker 1: in the shade, wash it off with some soap and
Speaker 1: water if you have it, and then just dump that
Speaker 1: water all over the ground. This is used up. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we have snakes, rattle snakes, and coral snakes
Speaker 1: are gonna be your biggest danger. And remember coral snakes
Speaker 1: are red, yellow, and black. And there's a very helpful
Speaker 1: saying red touches yellow. It can harm a fellow. Red
Speaker 1: touches black. Make it a snack. No, red touches black.
Speaker 1: It's okay for jack. And this raises my second favorite sentence. No,
Speaker 1: just remember you're Jack in this scenario. It's okay for Jack. Now, finally,
Speaker 1: I think we sound drunk. We're not um. There are
Speaker 1: lizards um specifically, the do you say HeLa monster or
Speaker 1: Gila monster. I think it's HeLa. I think it is.
Speaker 1: The British say gila and the wrong right they say aluminium. Um.
Speaker 1: So the Gila monster and the Mexican beaded lizard um
Speaker 1: the beat. It is only in Mexico and Guatemala, but
Speaker 1: you can find those gilas in the in the US
Speaker 1: of A. Those are big daddies, though they get up
Speaker 1: like two ft I think, and this is actually my
Speaker 1: favorite sentence. So I'm talking here about the Mexican beaded
Speaker 1: white to yellow spots and stripes on their rays scales.
Speaker 1: It's about a foot long. I described the Gila monster.
Speaker 1: And they say, however, if you see a two foot
Speaker 1: long lizard coming in your direction, maybe you should just
Speaker 1: walk the other way. It's sound advice. I thought you
Speaker 1: were joking when you picked this article. No, I think
Speaker 1: gets a good article. I don't understand why you're being
Speaker 1: so hard on yourself. All right, this last part is
Speaker 1: legitimately interesting. I think the fact of the podcast is
Speaker 1: contained in here, like the uncontented fact. Go ahead, No, no,
Speaker 1: it's your fact, that's not my fact. Alright. Two big
Speaker 1: other dangers to other big dangers or sandstorms and flash floods.
Speaker 1: Sandstorms can be very fast or they can last for
Speaker 1: a long time. They can last weeks in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: But if you're driving, you don't want to drive through
Speaker 1: a standstorms to pull over and like put on your hazards,
Speaker 1: roll up your windows. Yeah, why did you say turn
Speaker 1: off your headlights? Do you remember that? I get why
Speaker 1: you put on your hazards, But why turn off your headlights?
Speaker 1: Is it because you don't want to wear your battery out? Maybe?
Speaker 1: I think so? Okay, Yeah, that would be my guess,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know if maybe that created electrical conductivity
Speaker 1: or something and lead to lightning. Maybe. I And if
Speaker 1: you're hiking around and there's a sandstorm, then try and
Speaker 1: tie something or pull your shirt up over your face.
Speaker 1: But those sunnies, um, they say, if you have spare water,
Speaker 1: wet the cloth before you put it over your face,
Speaker 1: and then I'm granting you the fact of the pie.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about flash flooding. Flash floods because the desert
Speaker 1: does not absorb water very easily. Um, because it's basically bedrock,
Speaker 1: and water doesn't go into bedrock easy. Um. Like if
Speaker 1: it rains, it rains hard, and it rains fast. And
Speaker 1: a substantial amount comes down and it collects very quickly
Speaker 1: because it has nowhere to go and can create what
Speaker 1: are known as flash floods. Because of this, more people
Speaker 1: drown in the desert than die of thirst. That's what
Speaker 1: they say. That is an amazing fact. That's one of
Speaker 1: the most amazing facts I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: It really is. Um. And then what was the James
Speaker 1: Franco movie The True Story where seven hours? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: there was a flash flood in that, right, I don't,
Speaker 1: I think so. I feel like he was it rained
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, thank god, it's raining, and
Speaker 1: then the water to start a rising really fast around
Speaker 1: because he was in a gully. But if you like,
Speaker 1: don't camp out overnight in a dry creek bed, because
Speaker 1: it is no joke. It can It can happen really fast.
Speaker 1: And I was driving through New Mexico once on my
Speaker 1: big out west trip post college, and my friend and
Speaker 1: I drove through the most hellacious storm I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. Um, and we literally saw water running
Speaker 1: flowing uphill and I was like, am I seeing things?
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, dude, He's like, that is definitely
Speaker 1: uphill And water was flowing up hill some how, I
Speaker 1: guess it was just so much of it. But we
Speaker 1: drove through it until we saw um in front of us, Uh,
Speaker 1: telephone poles like down in the on the highway, like
Speaker 1: all in front of us. Were like, I think we
Speaker 1: should probably pull over at this point, and we waited out.
Speaker 1: But they're usually pretty quick. It's not like it does
Speaker 1: this for like days like it does in Atlanta. It
Speaker 1: was like like thirty minutes of rain, but it can
Speaker 1: be inches and inches of water and again like six
Speaker 1: inches can pick up a car and carry it away.
Speaker 1: It can certainly pick you up off of your feet.
Speaker 1: And there's plenty of stories about people being drowned in
Speaker 1: canyons and Petra Jordan's the very famous archaeological site. People
Speaker 1: like every ten twelve years, like a couple of dozen
Speaker 1: people will suddenly drown in a flash flood because they
Speaker 1: were totally unprepared and in the wrong place when it
Speaker 1: just the sky just opened up on them. So it
Speaker 1: definitely does happen, for sure. Yeah, the good the pluss
Speaker 1: thing about the desert with understorms is, uh, you see
Speaker 1: it coming from a long way away, like it's they
Speaker 1: happen fast, but it's just so wide open out there.
Speaker 1: Like we remember driving for like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half towards this storm. I was like, man, that looks
Speaker 1: pretty bad up there. And the closer we got and
Speaker 1: then it was just like, you know, hell had been
Speaker 1: unleashed on us, right, So what you did, you like
Speaker 1: drive to higher ground or now we we just kind
Speaker 1: of just pulled off to the side of the road
Speaker 1: and waited like half an hour and then it lightened up.
Speaker 1: But it was crazy. Yeah, it was pretty scary. I
Speaker 1: mean not being in a car, but just seeing how,
Speaker 1: like the debt, it went from sand to feeling like
Speaker 1: we were in a river in like twenty minutes. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Glad you made it, Chuck, you survived to write this article,
Speaker 1: which was a good article. Um, if you want to
Speaker 1: see this article yourself in person, go to house stuff
Speaker 1: works dot com and type in Desert Survival by one
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant and you will agree with me. It's a
Speaker 1: good article. And since I said that it's time for
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