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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're tackling the border crisis head on, the political games,

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Speaker 1: the funding fights, voter integrity battles, and how legal immigration

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Speaker 1: fuels Democrat power.

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Speaker 2: We've got RJ.

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Speaker 1: Hollman, president of the National Immigration Center for Enforcement. Also

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Speaker 1: Mike Howe who's on the board of that and he

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Speaker 1: is also the head of the Oversight Project.

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Speaker 2: We're going to dive into all of it.

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Speaker 1: Republicans push for standalone DHS funding, Why they did that?

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Speaker 1: Did they hand Democrats leverage on that? Also, even though

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Speaker 1: the One Big Beautiful Bill does fund ICE and border patrol,

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Speaker 1: they don't have unlimited funds. So we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about why it is important that they also receive funding

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Speaker 1: in this funding fight as well, we'll discuss the Save

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Speaker 1: Act and so much more.

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Speaker 2: So stay tuned for RJ.

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Speaker 1: Hollman and Mike Howell our day.

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Speaker 2: Mike. It's great to have you both on and looking

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Speaker 2: forward to working with you guys on with Nice.

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Speaker 1: So obviously a big task in front of us on

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Speaker 1: all this issue is a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with the funding fight and this

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Speaker 1: shutdown with DHS funding.

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Speaker 3: R J.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with you.

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Speaker 1: Why did Republicans choose to move DHS funding as a

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Speaker 1: standalone measure rather than include it in the larger omnibus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now again, you know Republicans, it's finally they're fronally,

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Speaker 3: I mean again taken a stand when it comes to

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Speaker 3: these spending bills. I mean we've seen, you know, DHS

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Speaker 3: has been caught almost on you know continuing resolution auto

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Speaker 3: pilot for I mean countless fiscal years where you know,

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Speaker 3: DEM's kind of get a victory every time of keeping

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Speaker 3: you know, the money locked at a certain level, and

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Speaker 3: you know what, what kind of you know, troubled I

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Speaker 3: think us and I not entirely speaking for Bike, but

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he agrees here too. Is what Republicans tried

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Speaker 3: to do out the gate before reconciliation happened. The one

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Speaker 3: big beautiful bill that gave over you know, one hundred

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Speaker 3: billion dollars to ICE and CDP to secure the border

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Speaker 3: and do mass deportations. You know, ICE was chugging along

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Speaker 3: on you know, money that had dried up basically a

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Speaker 3: low funding level, doing continuing resolutions of keeping it at

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Speaker 4: Okay. But then obviously in July, President Trump signed you know, a.

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Speaker 3: Bill that gave about one hundred I think it's about

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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy or so billion dollars to both

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Speaker 3: ICE and CBP build the wall and detain and deport

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Speaker 3: and mass just like the American people intended.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Democrats have kind of seen that they're.

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Speaker 3: At at a spot right now where they are kind

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Speaker 3: of using what has happened up in Minneapolis and and

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Speaker 3: something that they's view as a political football to run

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Speaker 3: with a you know, two kinds of events that you know,

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Speaker 3: as they're they're kind of being you know, like seen

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Speaker 3: bottom of what happened and if any justice you know.

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Speaker 4: Needs to be served.

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Speaker 3: But when they're putting ICE and CBP up there as

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Speaker 3: individual funding streams, okay, that has come to an agreement,

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Speaker 3: do concessions on, it's going to be something that will

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Speaker 3: set a dangerous precedent down the line. So in this

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Speaker 3: situation we're kind of in right now, right if you're

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Speaker 3: looking at it, the Democrats want again to isolate CBP

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Speaker 3: and ICE away from the other functions of DHS. Now again,

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Speaker 3: DHS was stood up very quickly after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: It's a big umbrella agency. You know, you almost got

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Speaker 3: or you know what Christy Noam uses to get her

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Speaker 4: You know, those are all kind of shut down right now.

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Speaker 4: But you've got to keep in mind CBP and ICE.

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Speaker 4: They may have a lot of money that they got

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Speaker 4: through that reconciliation package, but that money's now going to

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Speaker 4: be drained. It isn't for operational or administrative purposes. That

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Speaker 3: So if Democrats get to a point where the lower

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Speaker 3: they'll just run the darned clock out and then take

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Speaker 3: So they have to keep their foot on the ground

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Speaker 1: You know, so, I mean, was that the strategy for

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Speaker 1: the left then to isolate the CBP and ICE funding.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've also seen them make demands for things like.

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Speaker 1: Having to wear like name ideas and judicial warrens. And

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Speaker 1: I mean they've already asked for the well, they asked

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Speaker 2: But I guess what what do you think they will

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Speaker 2: end up accomplishing from this?

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Speaker 1: Like what are your fears, you know, Mike Urns are

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Speaker 1: that Republicans have handed them some leverage with spinning off

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely right and stipulating everything. Arjie just said,

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Speaker 5: let me pick up to the point I think you're

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Speaker 5: getting at, which I absolutely agree with. It's an attack

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Speaker 5: from both the left and the quote unquote rights. The

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Speaker 5: Democrats don't want ICE to exist nor CBP. Okay, that's

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Speaker 5: that's obvious. We're back to defund the police abolish ICE.

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Speaker 5: They'll call it something different, but that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: From the Republican perspective, they are comfortable with the scope

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Speaker 5: of ICE's mission at all. They want to walk back

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Speaker 5: the aperture of enforcement to only violent criminals. They have

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Speaker 5: bought the messaging of the Democrats, have been affected by it,

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Speaker 5: and so when Leader Thun decided to set up this

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Speaker 5: path due to far left pressure and quote unquote moderate

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Speaker 5: But it is a really genius tool. Evil genius that

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Speaker 5: is by the Democrats knowing that they have a decent

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Speaker 5: and will make concessions to water down immigration enforcement. They

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Speaker 5: make legal present or illegal presidence ultimately legal, but they

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Speaker 5: want to limit the amount of people that can be deported,

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Speaker 5: and so that's what DUNE is doing. So it presents

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Speaker 5: but it's really pro wrestling cafe a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 5: are joining Democrats to hurd ice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and at least let me add something to that

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Speaker 3: listen with I'll give you Ice as an example, and

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, seventy eighty billion or self the

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Speaker 3: essentially through Trump's term of supplemental money, okay, that can

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Speaker 4: For deportations, new ice agents and all that.

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Speaker 3: We were always kind of telling Republicans when all was

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Speaker 3: going forward when you're at a funding level and approach

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Speaker 3: that becomes so hard to change. As I was saying,

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Speaker 3: we're at that you know, continuing level at DHS dating

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Speaker 3: we don't need to do x amount of detention beds.

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Speaker 4: We can just get the money from there.

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Speaker 3: Well, when Trump leaves office, if a Democrat happens to win,

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Speaker 3: then you're gonna have a low level of detention beds.

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Speaker 4: You can't pay all the ice agents you hired.

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Speaker 3: You got to sell the airplanes and all that, and

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Speaker 3: the Democrats will turn all your warehouse detention facilities into

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike, One thing I worry about. You know, look,

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Speaker 1: a lot of politics, as we all know. Having you know,

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Speaker 1: it in the past. Well I guess I kind of

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Speaker 1: lot of politics. It's a pr fight, right, and we

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Speaker 1: see that the left and the media, they smell the

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Speaker 1: blood in the water when it comes to DHS. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing all these hit pieces, all these negative news articles.

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Speaker 1: You know, Republicans are getting cold feet on mass mass deportations,

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Speaker 1: and there's this hit piece and Politico Mike talking about

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Speaker 1: how that use of force incidents have surged in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five compared to twenty twenty four. But we're also

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Speaker 1: seeing like attacks on ICE agents have increased exponentially. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Christy Nome has told me previously when I

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Speaker 1: So of course use of force is going to increase

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Speaker 1: when you've got like you know, assaults on federal law

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Speaker 5: Yeh, that's absolutely right. I mean, throw the staff book

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Speaker 5: figurably literally. Obviously the fans are being flamed by politicians

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Speaker 5: Not only is it okay, but it's your your civic

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Speaker 5: And so of course there are increases in use of

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Speaker 5: they're vigilante defenders that these people are literal Nazis, and.

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Speaker 4: So it's through the rooms. Put it in perspective.

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Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine compare this in any way

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Speaker 5: that we can get statistical fidelity to January sixth, the

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Speaker 5: that day with Capitol Police. Not to mention no one

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Speaker 5: perspective that we haven't seen this type of vigilante mob

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Speaker 5: the Civil War. And I mean I say that not

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Speaker 5: where Democrats are heading. They basically want to have two

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Speaker 5: the other, you know, for everybody else who obeys the laws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they love to riot when they don't

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Speaker 1: have power, is basically how it goes.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: RJ big concern with the midterms, you know, historically the

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Speaker 1: what do those numbers look like? But how challenging will

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Speaker 1: President Trump won twenty sixteen by saying Mexico wasn't sending

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, in the lead up to the last presidential

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Speaker 5: You can only do so much preventative maintenance, but you

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Speaker 5: We definitely will lose big terms we as in the

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Speaker 4: Sorry, but I'm to drain the swamp.

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Speaker 5: Guy who was elected as the first populist takeover of

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Speaker 1: You know, RJ about that with Tom Holman, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, that could be a good thing, you could argue, Okay,

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Speaker 3: get the CDP are going back down to the border.

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Speaker 3: Remember under President Trump, there was a little surge that

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Speaker 4: Things happen.

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Speaker 3: You got some countries that still aren't complying with this

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Speaker 3: removals and all that. But now these ICE there's still

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Speaker 4: But these agents now can go back.

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Speaker 3: To where they were enjoying a swelled up workforce and

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Speaker 3: go after more leagual aliens. Mike makes the point he

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Speaker 3: like sanctuary counties. That's way more important than a sanctuary city.

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Speaker 3: Counties are broad, even in the urban area. I think

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Speaker 3: Tom was negotiating with the one up in Minneapolis. The

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Speaker 3: sanctuary and fight for compliance quietly, not just throwing grenades

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Speaker 3: out there, wearing your mask in the street or whatever,

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Speaker 3: to hammer out these agreements and do narrow like focused

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Speaker 3: eligible for removal. Of course you deport of but you

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Speaker 3: remain vigilant, and you do it in a manner way.

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Speaker 3: We looking for attention, We're racking them up and delivering

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Speaker 3: to the American.

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Speaker 4: People and have to get accordance with the law.

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Speaker 2: No, Mike, I want to end with this.

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Speaker 1: You know the way I see it is you look

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Speaker 1: ahead at the twenty thirty census projections and Democrats are

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Speaker 1: because we've seen this mass migration out of these blue

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really why these Democrats are opposing the

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Speaker 1: Congress from the EVET clerk say previously that she needs

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Speaker 1: more migrants for redistricting purposes. Walk us through what that

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Speaker 1: means and why the Democrats would want these legal aliens

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so very simply like the Constitution counts, you know,

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Speaker 5: under the current reading of it, the total population, regardless

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Speaker 5: determining political representation. So while they can't both, they hold

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Speaker 5: political power in changing the electoral map in a way

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Speaker 5: that favors illegal aliens. All that being said, I think

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Speaker 5: the Republicans miss the point when they prioritize this as

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Speaker 5: a motivation of Democrats too much. Yes, it is a

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Speaker 5: few seats you know that go and swing every ten

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Speaker 5: years or so. But this is like on their master

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Speaker 5: plan list of top ten things that they realize the

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Speaker 5: legal immigration can do to undermine the existing word of

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Speaker 5: the United States. It's at the bottom of that list.

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Speaker 5: And so I say that not to say it's not

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Speaker 5: like a critical problem. It is, but the real problems

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Speaker 5: are way more clear. In president you don't have to

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Speaker 5: wait every ten years for them to happen, it's the

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Speaker 5: decay of basically every institution, all the government services. It

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Speaker 5: also creates, you know, political constituencies that are not illegal aliens.

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Speaker 5: Look at the people that are rioting out of Minneapolis

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Speaker 5: or wherever. Those people largely aren't illegal aliens. They're galvanized

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Speaker 5: individual psychological problems that are preyed upon by some of

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Speaker 5: and you know, everything else that's out there. So Democrats

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Speaker 5: need a legal immigration for a lot of reasons. Census

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Speaker 5: redistricting certainly is one, but it's not on their top

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Speaker 5: ten list. Pretty bad when we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 5: the swinging of ten potential seats in Congress. If that

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Speaker 5: doesn't even crack the top ten list.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I think we solved all the immigration problems.

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Speaker 2: So Mike, RJ. So crap, I think it's all.

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Speaker 1: It's all situated now last thirty minutes because of this conversation.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate you guys coming on.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys, Yeah, thank you, of course appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That was R. J.

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Speaker 1: Hellman, president of the National Immigration Center for Enforcement. Also

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Speaker 1: Mike Howe, who is on the board of that. He

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Speaker 1: also leads the Oversight Project. Appreciate you guys at home

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Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. You can listen throughout

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Speaker 1: the week. I also want to think John Cassio and

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Speaker 1: my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,