1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. We got a legend in 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: the building today. Twelve time All Star, seven time All NBA, 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: four time scoring champ, one of the original Nike athletes. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: He's still wearing them to this day. Now the point 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: total is up for debate. Let's talk about your point 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: total because you should have about what twenty six thousand. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Twenty six and ninety five? 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: What do they have you on the books for? 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: They only got any books with twenty sometimes. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Oh coming, they owe you about almost seven thousand. 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they ain't gonna get to me. 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, George Gervin, Man, thank you very 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: much for coming in. 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me man, good job. Good to be 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: a part of this. Man. I've been watching you guys 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: a long time. Man, Thanks for the invite. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: Now, thank you for coming out. You're out in LA 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: for the Big Three. How has that experience been for you? 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: And how you guys doing this season? 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: I love the Big Three, Man, I'm here my eighth 21 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: year with you. Man. I'm so proud of them to 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: had this vision, man, to give these young brothers man 23 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: another stage to form, man to make some money, and 24 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: some of them taking advantage of it and having other opportunities, 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: so I enjoy it. We have some struggles this season. 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: I lost Joe, probably the best player in the league, arguably, Joe. 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: I miss you, man. 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: He sounded like a hurt, like a hurt father. 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know it's from the hard man. I 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: really do. Man, a beautiful young man, and he loved 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: the game like I did. So you know, you really 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: sorry that things like that happen, you know. And then 33 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: I just lost juston with another young man I love. 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: He's twenty nine, and man, he played so hard and 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: he has a passion for the game. And you know, 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: you love young men like that. I mean, you love 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: guys that love the game, but they was in love 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: with the game, you know. So that's a different kind 39 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: of love. And everybody don't understand that. Man. You know, 40 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: say you love it. I say, okay, but I'm in 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: love with you know. So I put in that extra work, 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, So that put us in a wind to 43 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: go home situation. 44 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are on the ropes right now. 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 46 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I got to get a win. 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there before, man, So you know it's motivation, man, 48 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: And just after guys come get one hundred percent man, 49 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: and I got the kind of guys will give. 50 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that. Thoughts on the current NBA 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: with the money, the contracts, the player empowerment, you know, guys, superstars, 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: the superstar movement in the game. What are your thoughts 53 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: on the current NBA? 54 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: You know they turn you know, I look at it 55 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: exactly like that. You know, it's changed since how I 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: played it. I mean, so they don't play by the 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: same rules that I played. But the game is still growing, 58 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: you know. You think back in the seventies when I 59 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: was playing it with four five European players, not a 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: league full of them, you know, so the game went global. 61 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean I'm a part of that. I'm a part 62 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: of the foundation to where the game has grown to. 63 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: I can't help but to be proud of that stuff. 64 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: You know. I don't care what them guys make. Man 65 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: make all you can. Man, I always say, it ain't 66 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: how much you make, how much you learn how to keep. 67 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Detroit in the sixties, When did basketball become a part 68 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: of your life? 69 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Started when I was fourteen years old. Man, I'm seventy 70 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: three years old today. I love the game, y'all. I 71 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: mean I really did. 72 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Man, so Detroit cultural Powerhouse, Motown Records in the late fifties, 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gay, The Supreme, the Temptations, name a few. 74 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: Any truth that you were close with Marvin Gay? Oh yeah, 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Man talked to us about Marvin. 76 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: Man with Marvin Man just before he passed. Man, Marmin 77 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: used to come pick me up, Man when I came 78 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: to LA and go to the studio and see him 79 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: making some songs. I know the last song he made 80 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: that I was with him was here, my dear man. 81 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: Marmin loved the ball Man. You know, Mark couldn't ball 82 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: the lick. Man. I he love and shoot around and stuff. Man, 83 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: that's what I love to bother him. But you know 84 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: he's missed memories. I got all the songs. 85 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: And how did that shake you well? 86 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we we only hear a short 87 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: period of time anyway, Man, And it's you know the 88 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: mark that he left. You know, he left unbelievable Mark Man. 89 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: I mean, oh Man, you know he's sung about relationships 90 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: and that's what I believe in. And you know, so again, Man, 91 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: you know I missed the brother man, but I you know, 92 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: I put on what's going on? You know, hear my 93 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: deer you know, I hear the sparrow, and I mean 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: I put on all them things and remember it, and 95 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: it's like he's sitting over there, you know, looking at me. 96 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: So started at Long Beach State under Jerry tarkanium left 97 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: due to the don't tell me this is true. You 98 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: left college because of the Santa Ana winds. 99 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 2: I left Long Beach because of the Santa Anna. 100 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm at it and ran you out of town. 101 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: Huh, man, I'm inner city Detroit, man. You know, in 102 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: the city Detroit. Man, I ain't never seen anything like that. Man, 103 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Like I went to another country. Man coming over here. Man, 104 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: So I didn't know, you know, well, seventeen eight ten 105 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: years old and inexperience. 106 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: What was Tark like? 107 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: Tark was great. I love tart Man. TARGI wants you 108 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: the gun. Yeah, you know, TARGI wants you to shoot. 109 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: I mean I was right up my aalty. Man. Hey, man, 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: I brother want me to shoot. 111 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: Man, Well, you can shoot with the best of them, yeah, man, 112 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: I put the work in. 113 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: Well. 114 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Obviously we're in a heavy nil period where kids are 115 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: getting a lot of money. Did you get any kind 116 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: of package to come play in Long Beach or what 117 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: brought you to California to begin with. 118 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: Well, I mean George Trapp, George Trapp was playing here 119 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: and George Trapp is from Detroit, and George Trapped the 120 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: one introduced me, you know, introduced Tart to my game. 121 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: And Tart came to Detroit and saw me play, and 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: Tart brought me out money. I mean, you know, I 123 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: got money and stuff and I don't know where it 124 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: came from, by no where it went, you know. 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, so it's the norm now, yeah, I mean 126 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: it's hey, what would you have done in an nil era? 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: All got paid? I would have got paid. Yeah, I 128 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: got paid. I mean I'm not gonna get paid. How 129 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: I could play, you know, I mean I could play. 130 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: I mean they're paying guys that could play, and so 131 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: how much I would have got? O know, you know, 132 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: probably didn't even care, man, because I loved the game. 133 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I was in love with the game. So 134 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, we all need money, man, but you know 135 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 2: I would have played for free. 136 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: You end up transferring to Eastern Michigan University back at home? 137 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: What was that like and what was that transition like 138 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: for you? Going back home? 139 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: You was good for me, you know, I got a 140 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 2: chance to go back to play with my high school buddy, 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: Garrett Tyson. You know, he was my point guard in 142 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: high school. And you know, I got to be close 143 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: to home. You know, it was only forty forty miles 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: from home, you know, I mean, so I could see 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: my mom could see me play, and my brothers and 146 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: sisters could see me play. So you know, I was good. 147 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: And then I was under a good coach, Jim Dutcher. 148 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: You know, Jim Dutcher was another offensive minded coach and stuff. 149 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: So it was good for me. You know. It gave 150 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: me a good platform to you know, kind of demonstrate 151 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: what I can do on the floor. 152 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: Your college career there was cut short due to an 153 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: altercation with how you say his last name, Jay A 154 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Pecola J Pecola, who ended up being a president of Puma. 155 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: But we talked about this off camera. It was just 156 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: one of the back and forth games where they were 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: doing shit with the restaurant calling and you lost your cool. 158 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: And what happened from there, Dang hit Jay hard so 159 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: hard man man. 160 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: J came over to shake my hand, you know, and 161 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: I'll be fair to Jay and stuff, because you know, 162 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: he was just playing. He was just trying to, you know, 163 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: get me riled up. And it worked, and you know, 164 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: and then they threw me out and he came over 165 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: to shake my hand, and I don't know why he 166 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: did that, and I jumped up, Man, I blanked out Man, 167 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: and I hit j Man and I knocked him out 168 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: and probably one of the worst decisions that I made, 169 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: man as a college ball player. But you know, I 170 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: ain't seen him for years. And then I found out 171 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: that he was the president of PILMA, and they called 172 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: me and asked me to be a part of his retirement, 173 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: all right, And I was so glad to be able 174 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: to have that opportunity to tell him. I was sorry. 175 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to tell him all the me, me 176 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: and my brother, hug Man. I know that brother was crying, 177 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: and you know, I had a few tears, man, But 178 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: that's what it's about. I got a chance to do that, man. 179 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: So you know, I put him in my documentary and 180 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: stuff too, Man, because it was a biblical moment in 181 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: my life, you know, I mean not just my career. 182 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: You know, we we lose it and we could lose 183 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: our life, or we can lose our freedom. Man. Just think, man, 184 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: I would hit him, you would fell bust his head 185 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: and died. 186 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: That's said, we never know who you are god man. 187 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: So you know I think of it more in that 188 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: aspect than anything else, you know, I mean, because you 189 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: know I'm from Detroit, Man, you know what I mean. 190 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: You know there's what we do A lot of us 191 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: in jail called we do that. You know. I mean, 192 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: you got to think, man before you got split second? 193 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: Ah you have oh man? So Jay Man, you know, 194 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: I love you, man, and I appreciate you too. Man. 195 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: I love that you got a chance to, you know, 196 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: connect with him and get that off your chest. Get 197 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: it off your heart. Sonny Vakira, When did he come 198 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: in your life? 199 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: Sonny was my first agent? 200 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: Okay? 201 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because you know when I 202 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: when I left school, you know, after that that incident, 203 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: I withdrew from school and I went and played semi pro. 204 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: I played semi pro for a brother man named man 205 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Man for PANIEC. I played up there on the weekend, 206 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: y'all for five hundred dollars a week weekend. 207 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, So what was that? What was that like 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: back then? With five hundred dollars and. 209 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: Seventies on these A lot of these folks. Five hundred 210 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: dollars man. I was big man. I felt like a pro, 211 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: you know, and me, come on, I mean five hundred 212 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: dollars man. And then you know I had my girl 213 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: with me, who you know turned out to be my wife. Man. 214 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: That was That was big man. But you know Sonny 215 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: a friend of mine, Jackson Nunn, who played football with 216 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: Eastern New Sonny but Carroll and he told Sonny about me, 217 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: and Sonny came and seen me play, and you know 218 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: I ended up signing with Sonny. But you know how 219 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: I got the contract. Johnny red Kurr saw me play 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: our jig, you know, thirty something man. And Johnny red 221 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: Curtin knew the owner of the Virginia Squires and he 222 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: called the owner of Virginia Squires and they had me 223 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: fly into Virginia you know where Doc was and and 224 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: just told me to shoot, you know. And you know, 225 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: Sonny always say, man, I made fifty threes in a 226 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: roll and stuff, and I say, no, I don't think 227 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: I made fifty. 228 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 1: Much mm hm. So that was an opportunity. Is that 229 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: your first time seeing doctor j yep or playing with them? 230 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: What was that like? 231 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: Looked great man I mean, you know, it's like anything 232 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: else a young man seeing who you know doc, And 233 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 2: you know, once I was on the team, me and 234 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: Doctor just played one on one all the time after practice. 235 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: What was that like in timidating? You know, I mean 236 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: I was, I was, you know, I was timidated. 237 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: And is he older than you? 238 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a few years older than me. 239 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: And what age are you at this point? 240 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: Nineteen? Okay, you know, so I was just you know, 241 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: I would say, coming out of the wound, man in 242 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: the pro aspect of life and stuff. Man. So Doc, man, boy, 243 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: he used to beat beat me man every day. Man. 244 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: You know, that's what I loved about him. Man, he 245 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: really got me right. You know. He built up my 246 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 2: self esteem, and he built up my confidence and you know, 247 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: and then I could play too. So once I got 248 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: over the intimidation, Yeah, the timidation it was on. He 249 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: ain't get the ball much, you know, so you know, 250 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: because I could score, you know, and stuff. So I 251 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: still tell him today, Man, he'll see me today. Man, 252 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 2: he's seventy five or six and I'm seventy three, and 253 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: he'll call me rook man. 254 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like, when did you kind of feel 255 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: like you have the confidence to go at him or 256 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: be on the same court as him. Well, a few 257 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: days later it didn't take long. Huh, he said, I 258 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: knew back and when I was supposed to be any 259 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: truth that you signed your contract on a napkin, big 260 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: contract on a napkin. How did that happen? You said 261 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: to sign it away. 262 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: They wanted me, you know, and Sunny you know, you 263 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: know how Sunday, y'all, Sunny is man. You know, Sonny, 264 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: get it done, perod done. 265 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: Man. 266 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: So I think, man, I signed for three years for 267 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: fifty thousand a year, and that was. 268 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: Great. I was. 269 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: I went from bread lines to headline. Yes, come on, yeah, 270 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, oh. 271 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all gotta be kidd Did you do with your 272 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: first check? 273 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: I got a bonus folk down down that took it 274 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: home and split it up with my mom and my 275 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. 276 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: What was your first big purchase Cadillac? What color? 277 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: What year? Elder radaldh triple black with Rose Royce front. 278 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: Come on, y'all, I'm from the inner city of Detroit, man, 279 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean, come on. I was impressed with that lifestyle. 280 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: You know, I have a dad, so you know, he 281 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: probably told me to get a Chevrolet or something, you know, 282 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: But I went with how I you know what I mean. 283 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: I was around you know, Pimpson House, Los and you 284 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: know Wayward Women back then. I think I paid what 285 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: six seventh down? Now, oh my goodness, were on seventies y'all. 286 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, come on, man, I was in 287 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: I didn't tell you ship. 288 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: Oh. 289 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: Man, I had the BORCELINI the Gators and music blast. Man. 290 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: I was leaning. Man, I had eight track, y'all just 291 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: don't know, Man, I said, y'all, Man, y'all think y'all 292 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: gotta going over. 293 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I love it. What was the paint me a picture 294 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: with the ABA lifestyle was back back? I was travel hotels. 295 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: Did you travel day of the game? 296 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: Did you like? 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: What was the what was it like? 298 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: So in Virginia, you know, we was in Norfolk, played 299 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: in Northward Scope, played in Hampton Arena, and we played 300 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: in Richmond, you know, so we had three home courts 301 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: and stuff. So you know, when we had home games, 302 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: and whichever arena we're playing, we could drive, you know, 303 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: I mean we're on the road. You know, obviously we 304 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: take you know, playing Brandon Fairline and stuff, and we 305 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: stayed in motels, you know, Motel eight. You know, it 306 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: was sixers then, you know, But I was the pro. 307 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Man. 308 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: Man, there ain't none of that bothered me. 309 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: When did you learn, Like when did like the the 310 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: the aura of the game hit you, the women and 311 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: the perks of the game and all that kind of stuff. 312 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: Was it was it with this ABA team or once 313 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you got to the. 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean that's you know, shucks, man, that's 315 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: part of the territory, you know, and stuff. Man, I 316 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: started making money. Come on, I mean, honey, you know 317 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't married you before I say this. You know, 318 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: got my son over there too. 319 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Man. 320 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: I used to go to have to them the two. Man. 321 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: Come on, I'm in a Cadillac, couldn't tell you. And 322 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: they was eating college food. Come on, man, I just 323 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: pull up the man put that top down. 324 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was used to soda and nuggets. Yeah, I 325 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: love it, you know, but come. 326 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: On, man, just where god man, that's just part of 327 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: the style. Y'all are being a pro that I don't 328 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: know no better like that? Yeah, you know, I ain't 329 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: know no better, man. I mean whether feeling where the 330 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: vets back then? Yeah, Doc was a vet. Okay, Fatty 331 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: Taylor was who named me Iceman. You know he was there. 332 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, oh ho ho we Wand how did you 333 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: get the name Iceman? 334 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: Fatty Taylor. Patty Taylor the one gave nicknamed Iceman. And 335 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: it was my style, man. You know again, man, I 336 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: was in Borcelini's man, I dressed, I mean in the city. Yeah, 337 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: I ain't think I was cool, but you know I 338 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: act like I was, so you know it was it 339 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: was in you yeah, you know what I mean. So 340 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: that was part of my style and stuff. And then 341 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: how I played and stuff. So Fatty Star called he 342 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: really called me Iceberg slim. You know they might not 343 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: be old enough. No who Iceberg slam? You know. Yeah, 344 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: But I told Pat I ain't nothing pimple about me, man, 345 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: so I you know, I ain't going with that. Man. 346 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: Then he just started calling me Iceman. 347 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: That's dope. 348 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: So you know, but that was my guy there. Man, 349 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: he's another one. Man. You know, Doc kind of took 350 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: me under this wing on the floor, and Fatty Tailor 351 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: kind of took me on his wing. You know, family, 352 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, he had a family at that time. They 353 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: go there and eat and you know, starting off, man, 354 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: it was. It was wonderful man, to you know now 355 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: to become a pro. 356 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, what was it like just seeing Doc work 357 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: from day to day? 358 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, it's special man, Doc Man. He you know, 359 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: Doc was the league back then, you know, I mean 360 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: where we go, we sell out, and you know, so 361 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: it was good for me to kind of be under him, 362 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: you know, and just to watch him work, man, and 363 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: then how he talked to me and just gave me 364 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: the confidence to do my thing. And he was he 365 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: was special, man. I mean, he's my favorite all time. 366 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: You know, when you start talking about greatness, man, you know, 367 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: I don't put too many over him at all. 368 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: Man. 369 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: Just his personality, man, his drive. And you know, because 370 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: I started with Doc and I finished with Mike, you know, 371 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: so people always ask me, now, well, who was the best. 372 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: Both of them were good. You know, I don't really 373 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: compare who was the best. Man. 374 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: What similarity did they have, whether it be energy or 375 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: style of play? 376 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: Energy and drive? You know, I mean they drive was 377 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: just in practice they had the same drive as they 378 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: played in the game. Man, I mean it was. It 379 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: helped me see what I needed to do in the 380 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: beginning with Doc in order to keep up and then 381 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: with Mike. It helped me see that I had my turn. 382 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I mean, if that makes sense, 383 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 384 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: It's like I had a good run. 385 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: I had a good run, you know what I'm saying. 386 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: God to see him and I got the nuts, man. 387 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: I mean, but it was a good kind of nuts. 388 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: You know. He played hard all the time, made like 389 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: he score on him. I mean, everybody liked to win. Man, 390 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: But that brother there, man, he I'm glad I had 391 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: that year with him, you know what I'm saying. I 392 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: got a chance to talk to him a little bit 393 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. Man. But he was special too, Man, there 394 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: was two special brothers. 395 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: Man, can you explain how you ended up landing with 396 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs. 397 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: They sold my contract Virginia because you know, Virginia was 398 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: not well, It's say, own the ship. You know. Earl 399 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: did the best he could, but the league was starting. 400 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: You need sponsorship, man, it was hard to get sponsorship 401 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: for the league. We only had seven sevent teams when 402 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: I got traded, you know, so we played each other 403 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: fourteen times, you know, a season and stuff. So then 404 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: they you know, San Antonio just bought my contract and 405 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: then I became a spur. 406 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: Was that what was the money type with similar money? 407 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Well a little I had a little bit better, okay, 408 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I had a little bit better. 409 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: Man. You know, they Texas, man, they was, they ain't 410 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: want to give me what I wounded, but I just 411 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: took it, you know. But it was the best move 412 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: I ever made in my life to come to Santon. 413 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: Talk to me about that. Why you feel that way? 414 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: Case? Santon was a small market. You know. I never 415 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: knew nothing about Santone. I mean, you know, come on, 416 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm leaving all black going to you know, Hispanic. I 417 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: mean in the Alamo. And you know I ain't know 418 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: nothing about San Anton but the Alamo. So it changed 419 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: the culture again. Man, it was the greatest move I 420 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: could have made, man for me as a career, you know. 421 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 2: And then we had great ownership. You know, they wanted 422 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: to get better, you know, so they wanted to you know, 423 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: spend money and you know, and then you know, they 424 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: wanted to build a winner, you know, and they built 425 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: it around James Silace first. You know, Jimmy was the 426 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: I believe and would say he was a franchise guy, 427 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: you know, and and then Jimmy got hurt, and then 428 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of, you know, took in that 429 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: spot in, you know, and then I became the franchise guy. 430 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: And I just grew with the franchise. What was it 431 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: like when the a BA and the NBA merged changed 432 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: the whole NBA? You know, I mean, so how many 433 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: It went from how many teams to how many teams? 434 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: Okay, we brought four teams in from the ABA, Indiana, 435 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: New Jersey, Sun, and Tone and then yeah, if you 436 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: look at the All Star Game after after the merger 437 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: in seventy six, you'll see ten ABA guys. Damn it 438 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: changed the face of the NBA. Well now they won't 439 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: give us credit or not. 440 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, so were you saying that 441 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: it was? It was said at the time the ABA 442 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: was stronger than the NBA players player wise. 443 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you man, you know, come on, man, the NBA 444 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: was going eighty points, man, you know, ninety points. You know, 445 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: I was a hundred and fifteen fifteen manybody wants you 446 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: nobody walking up the floor. We started running up the flow, 447 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I mean, we brought a 448 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: new flavor to the League, you know. And by doing that, 449 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I ain't taking nothing from Magic 450 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: and Bird, you know, and that era, by no means 451 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: they went around in seventy six, we uplift the NBA. 452 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: So you know, we took it to another level. 453 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: Man. 454 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: We gave it a different foundation. We kind of went 455 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: over the foundation they had they had and put more 456 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: cement and made it stronger. 457 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: You know. 458 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: So you know they always say Magic and Birds say 459 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: the lead. You know what I'm saying, all depends what 460 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: the narrative you want to push, you know. I mean, 461 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: you wasn't back there to see what my ABA guys 462 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: did to uplift the NBA, you know. I mean, and 463 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: the NBA guys knew about us. I mean, come on, man, 464 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: the NBA guys knew about the ABA guys. Man. We 465 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: had some real special guys come in. 466 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: You guys, usach other in the All Star Game. 467 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: With yeah, man, we used to you know, I mean, 468 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: we beat them like a drum man. I mean, we 469 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: were that good though, you know. I mean me think 470 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: of something the guys we had, you know, and I 471 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: talk about a guy man that they don't never get 472 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: no credit to, man, And that's Alex English. He was 473 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: a bucket hey, man, Ali Jan has had two thousand 474 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: points probably for seven eight years in a role in 475 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: the season. Now, you could do your history and look 476 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: at in a season, how many guys got two thousand 477 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: points for that season. You know I did it five times, 478 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: but that brother did it man eight times. You know 479 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: what I mean? He was a you know, yeah, I 480 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: tak walking bucket man. But man, that brother how. 481 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Tall was he six three six eight? 482 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: Man? He was slow as my losses, was that big man? Man? 483 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 2: That brother man was man, you know, and that's good man. 484 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that too. Nobody know about him. Yeah, 485 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: I played against you, you know, I know you got 486 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: fifty on me in a few times, but I got 487 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: you back. But you know, you know you still was 488 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: real special. Man. I mean, so guys like that, man, 489 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: I mean, come in the league. 490 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: Man. 491 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: You know Dave Thompson, you know, I mean, you know 492 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: me and David had all shootout. 493 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: Chase the scoring title down, oh Man, late seventies, early eighties. 494 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: The NBA has labeled this too black, too drug field. 495 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: What did you see? You know, what did you witness 496 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: at that time off the court with guys well, I 497 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: mean I. 498 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: Ain't able, too Black. I mean, but we had drugs, 499 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you know, the cocaine and stuff. 500 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: It was, you know, it was a part of the 501 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: you know, the league at that. 502 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: Time, like a pregame, like an energy drink. 503 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: Well you know probably you know, everybody probably had their 504 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: own routine, right, you know what I mean, But it 505 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: was it was tough. I mean, you know, I mean 506 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: a lot of us got effected, you know by it 507 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: and stuff. And it's sad, but you know that's that's 508 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: the way that the enemy work. Man, He gets you 509 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 2: when you ain't paying attention, you know. And too black, 510 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: I ain't, you know, that's what it was. A label 511 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: there was, yeah, I mean, but you know we all 512 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: put labels on things. I mean, it was entertainment, you know. 513 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: I mean, so they could have said, man, you know, 514 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: too much soul in there instead of black, you know, 515 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean that probably would have even sound better. And stuff. 516 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: It was a lot of Marvin Gaye, you know, temptations. 517 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, groups that sunk about relationships and stuff. Man. 518 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: So I never really got into that. You know, too Black, 519 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: I heard that yea four to what you said, I 520 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: heard that, but drugs was ABIs part of it. Well, 521 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: I think we'd always been around, you know. I mean 522 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: we was used for different you know, I mean to 523 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: eat and go sleep, you know, I mean think about it. 524 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: You play in the game and you build up that 525 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: drenaline and then you know, after the game, I mean 526 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: drenal going away, So you needed something to relax. You know. 527 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 2: Some took pills and some smoke weed, both from work. 528 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, so that was something something that was something 529 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: I would Yeah, definitely post game sleep take the pain focus. 530 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: I mean, because yeah, I went sleep. 531 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: You know. 532 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: I always read for a game, you know, I mean 533 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know, I ain't never been no 534 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: cornball man, but you know I used to look listen 535 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: to the stories before I went to bed, you know, 536 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: took a break, you know, all my children and all that. 537 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: I used to watch that stuff. Man, three o'clock and 538 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: then I rest to five thirty and then I go play. 539 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: So we had our routine. You know what I'm saying. 540 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: And I ain't saying I was smoking, y'all. And I 541 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: ain't saying I what neither. I ain't saying I was, Yeah, 542 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, man, come in 543 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: front of your choice. Man, you don't tell on yourself. 544 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: I can't do it, won't do it. 545 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 546 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy eight, the scoring title duo you and David Thompson. 547 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: On the last day of the season. Thompson dropped seventy 548 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: three to take the lead. You respond with sixty three 549 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: and didn't even play in the fourth quarter. So you 550 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: knew going into the game what you needed to score. 551 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need you know. They called me, you know, 552 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: because I led the league. So you know, they playing 553 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: in Detroit, mon. What do you guys averaging? What are 554 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: you averaging? At that time, we were about twenty seven something. Okay, yeah, 555 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: I think I got him by some pretentage points. 556 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: So he scored seventy three, brother. 557 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: Man man, but you know he was a giant killer. Yeah, 558 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 2: David was special man. So they called me. I was 559 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: in New Orleans and stuff, and he played in the 560 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: afternoon and then I played that night. So they called 561 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: me and said, man, David scoring fifty nine, I mean 562 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: seventy three took the scoring title from you. I said, 563 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: oh yeah, and they said you need fifty nine in 564 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: order to get it back. I said, okay. Fortunately for me, 565 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: I had a coach man, that really appreciated me, Doug mo, 566 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: you know, and Doug knew and Doug's friend was Larry Brown, 567 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: and so you know, him and Larry was best friends. 568 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: So he said, all that little shit out, don't cuts yall. 569 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry man, but that little shit man, he set 570 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: David up to take the title from George. So we 571 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: went to the arena and stuff, man, and coach said, man, 572 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: look at you, hey, guys, I want you know, I 573 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 2: want I usually get this scoring tighter back and stuff. Man, 574 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: what you guys think? And they say, yeah, you know, 575 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: and tell you I couldn't have done it without them, 576 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: you know. And they set it up, man. And so 577 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: we started playing and I missed my first six shots 578 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: and called time out. I said, man, I don't even 579 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 2: worry about it. Man, you know, I was really kidding 580 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: and said, see what they say and stuff, you know, 581 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: because I was, you know, I was nervous. I needed 582 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: fifty nine. So then you know, they went back, come on, 583 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,239 Speaker 2: I used to go ahead and man. So we went 584 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: back out there, man, and I got rolling, you know, 585 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: and I got twenty that first quarter. I was filling 586 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: it then, and then second quarter I got thirty three. 587 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: So you got so got fifty three and a half. 588 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: I had fifty three, and you need a fifty nine 589 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: for the game. 590 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, the guy said, well, I actually got fifty 591 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: three and stuff. I said, okay, so then you know 592 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: it was third quarter and stuff, you know, jacking it 593 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: up then, you know, I mean, you know, I kind 594 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: of knew I had it. I got fifty nine. He said, yeah, 595 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: you got fifty nine. I said, okay. I said, let 596 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: me get a couple of more, man, just in case 597 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: they miscalculated. So I ended up getting sixty three and 598 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: thirty three minutes. Didn't play in the four. Yeah, I ain't. 599 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Either could have scored eighty. 600 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: But you know, man, hindsight, and this is with all 601 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: of us, man, hindsight. I should have kept playing. 602 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: I was about to say, you could have got ain't 603 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: no telling. 604 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: But I wasn't. My purpose. Yeah, my purpose was to 605 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: get it. 606 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: That's it, you know what I mean. 607 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: But you know I want to slop myself, man, because 608 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, I remember Cody got Cody Kobe got eighty. 609 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: You know, I said, man, I might have could have 610 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: got even that much real, you know, but again, it wasn't. 611 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't the goal. 612 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: It wasn't the goal, man. I mean, you know, my 613 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: goal was to win my first and then I got hooked. 614 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: You got a little taste of it as a great score, 615 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: such as yourself. How did you break down? Did you 616 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: have any if I got a certain amount of layups, 617 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: a certain amount of free like, did you have any 618 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of just method to your manners or just go 619 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: out there and get it whatever they gave you would take? 620 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know, because they were wanted to guard me. Man, 621 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: they knew I could score. So guys coming at me, 622 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, they had they had teams setting up defenses. 623 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: There was no three in the key back, so you know, 624 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: I ain't worry about that. 625 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: Man. I could score period. Come on, man, I mean, 626 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: you know you think about it. Many say fifty one 627 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: percent career, you know. I mean, so I could score, 628 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: and you know I had all kinds of shots, you know, 629 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean, And I feel good to be able to 630 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: say that, man, because you know, we label guys as 631 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: scores and shooters, and I'm saying, man, hw guy's good shooter. 632 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: He's shooting forty percent, you know, I mean, or high? 633 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: Is he a good scorer and he's shooting thirty times 634 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: to get thirty, you know what I mean. So that's 635 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: how I break it down. You know, I get thirty 636 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: shooting twelve times, you know, cause i'mna get ten free throws. 637 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: I mean I can make a you know, I can 638 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: make her three. But you know threes came later on 639 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: in our career. 640 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, so three's actually started in the ABA, though, 641 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: didn't they. 642 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't shoot money them media, I get and one. 643 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: That's what three? Huh? 644 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 645 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: I mean because I can go to the hole. Yeah, 646 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you go the whole guy 647 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: hits you and I can still score that. I like 648 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: that kind of three. You know, it's kind of like 649 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: getting a four in golf. You know, I like chipping 650 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: it close. 651 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Where did your craftiness from your finger rolls to your floaters, 652 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: to your level different levels on the backboard with your spinning, 653 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: your touch? Where did all that crafting practice from practice, imagination? 654 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: You know, I practice, y'all. I mean I put the 655 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: time in, you know, I go work out by myself. 656 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: I ain't need nobody. 657 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: Man, you know, they got all these shooting machines and 658 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: all that, and now man, I just shoot that thing. 659 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: Make a comeback. You know, I have to chasing much, 660 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: you know, because you're going through net. I mean, so 661 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: you know then I like left hand hook right hand hooks, 662 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: and you know, all that gave me a variety of shots, 663 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, so I can pretty much score it. 664 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: Will They call it a bag now, I think kids 665 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: call it. 666 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, they got a bag. Yeah. 667 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: So four time scoring champs seventy eight, seventy nine, and 668 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: eighty and then eighty two. Only Jordan Wilt one more 669 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: I ever sent in Durant also have four. When you 670 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: hear yourself in that kind of talk, what's the first 671 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: thing because of mine? Hey, I could do it? 672 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know that stuff a good company, man, 673 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: you know, you think about it. Man, Will had a 674 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: record for points in a quarter for a long time, 675 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: and then David broke it, you know, and then I 676 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: broke it five hours later, you know. I mean it's 677 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's something to be thankful for, you know. 678 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: I mean I don't have to brag about it or nothing. 679 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: I mean I knew I was capable, you know, but 680 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: I had to still have to help from my guys 681 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: to do it. 682 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Man. 683 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: I was just able to do it, man, So that 684 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: put me in a in a space and place, man, 685 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: where I just stay humble man and say, man, I'm 686 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: glad I was able to do it. Man, that's quite accomplishment. 687 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely. There's a handful of guys that used the finger roll, Will, Connie, 688 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: Doctor j. But can any of them mess with your 689 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: finger roll? 690 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: You know, because I you know, people always say I 691 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: was the inventor of the finger roll. I wasn't nowhere 692 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: in the vent. 693 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: You know. 694 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: I took a piece from Doc, I took a people 695 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: from Connie and Will, and I developed my own. I 696 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: just one made it famous. I mean, they they did it, 697 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, we just all had our own version. And 698 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 2: the only one I thought of finger roll better than 699 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: me was my son G Jr. You know, he he 700 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: could do it left hand and I couldn't do it 701 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: left hand. So he's about the only one that I 702 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: ever saw, you know where I got a little envious. 703 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: About Top five best pure scores in your opinion? 704 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: I was English one me it's two all kareem, you know, 705 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: definitely there. 706 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: What about Bernard King, Oh. 707 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Bernard King, you know it's another man. There's somebody I'm missing. 708 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: K You know, he's very efficient and he's one of 709 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: my favorite today. You know KD. You know they always say, 710 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: you know we're similar. You know, we're similar only because 711 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: of our size. And he was six six ten. You know, 712 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: he don't score like I did, you know. I mean 713 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: I had variety, you know, k fishing and shooting at 714 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: mit range and shooting at three and stuff. But he 715 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: very efficient at it and stuff. So I think me 716 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: and him more so on just size. You know that 717 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: they kind of compare us. 718 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: March seventy seven, he became one of the earliest NBA 719 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: players to signed with Nike. How did that come about? 720 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: What was it like working with Phil Knight in those 721 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: early days? 722 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: Real good man? You know I started off when I 723 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: started off with the Virginia Squires, y'all. I signed with Adidas. 724 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: I signed five thousand dollars contract with Adidas and stuff. 725 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: And then here come Nike and Phil cane to me 726 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: and say we'll get one hundred and fifty fifty. So 727 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: I called the Didas and stuff and say, man, I'm 728 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: going with Nike. Man. You know, we got a contract 729 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: with your eyes. I said, man, I'm gonna give you 730 00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: five thousand back they we give you. I'll get your 731 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: five thousand back. Man, I'll go over to d and 732 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: he knew he couldn't do nothing with him. 733 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, you getting the five thousand back the next thing. 734 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: You know, we got this right here. Take a look 735 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: at that with you. Who's that right there? How old 736 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: are you in this picture? 737 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I'm probably a little older. Twenty something Okay, yeah, man, 738 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: that's you know, it's amazing. I mean so many people 739 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: tell me they had this posters. Yeah man, it really is. Man. 740 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, and Nike just gave me the silhouette so 741 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: I can take the silhouette off that and put it 742 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: on shirts. Oh, they just gave me the rights to 743 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: do it. They gave me the right, okay, you know 744 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 2: and stuff. But you know, I've been Nike forever, man. 745 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know, they don't give me 746 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: no money or nothing. But you know, I've been with 747 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: them a long time, man, and I just appreciate them. 748 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: I need a shirt when you start printing them out. 749 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna print something out, man. I you know, 750 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: if you want something, man, contact ice Man forty four 751 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: ice Man Voka forty four. Man. I'll get you. I'll 752 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: get you one of them shirts. 753 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: I need it. I needed playoffs Eastern Conference Finals in 754 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Talked to us about that. 755 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: Who were playing Washington. Doctor j oh yeah, we bumped 756 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: Doc them all. But I had a good team, man. 757 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you know how guys say man that they 758 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 2: had better guys around them, they could win the championship. 759 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: I ain't never down my guys like that. Man. I 760 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: had enough to win it. We just didn't, man, you know, 761 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: because we got through Doc and them, and I think 762 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 2: then we played Washington Washington Bullets, and we went up 763 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: three to one on Washington, you know, so we had 764 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: a chance to win it. Took the play end up 765 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 2: Seattle for the championship. Just didn't work out. You know, 766 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: we made history backwards. You know, them brothers walked us down. Man. 767 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: I remember Coach Martin used to say it ain't over 768 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: to the fat lady, saying, dang man, that chick sung man. 769 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Game seven, you dropped forty two. 770 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: Man. I wish I would have just got twenty five 771 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: and played it different. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 772 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: because you know, you got to learn how to win. 773 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: You know, I ain't need forty two. You know, I 774 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: could have spread it out. Un lets, some of the 775 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: other guys got it and stuff man. You know, but 776 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: I go over this on hindsight. You know, hindsight ain't 777 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: no good. But you know, I mean I look at it, man, 778 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: and I think about it, man, because that was my 779 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: only chance, man, really to win a championship, and it 780 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: didn't work, you know, and then we have, you know, 781 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: we come against the Lakers. Yep. I just couldn't be 782 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: magic in them, man. 783 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how good was the young Magic? 784 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I've been doing magic man since 785 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 2: the fourteen. I saw him come up and he knew 786 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: how to play at fourteen, you know, and stuff man. 787 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: So he's always been one of the special guys to me. 788 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: Man. 789 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: He loved for the game and how he played the game. 790 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 2: He made people better. So we start saying point guards 791 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: and stuff man. You know how you miss him, you know, 792 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: and stuff man. I mean, you know, you think about it, man, 793 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: when I came up that you know, one two one 794 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: didn't play. You know, you dribbled a lot and I 795 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: shot a lot. 796 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: You know. 797 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: I mean it's we didn't have that point guard. And 798 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, me and my son was talking about that 799 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: earlier today and stuff man, it wasn't as you know, 800 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: as vivid as it was, as it is today. How 801 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: they sell it today, you know one, two, three, four, 802 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 2: And you know, because you don't really have a center today. 803 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: You know, all the center shoot jump shots, you know centers. 804 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: I came up through hooks and muscled you. 805 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: And inside out. Yeah, Larry Bird. 806 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: Talked more stuff than the Man in the Moon, but 807 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: backed it up. Man. I love Larry Man. Larry, he 808 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: used to come tell me all the time, Man, Danny's 809 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: scared of you. Man, so killing You know that he 810 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 2: only team man. He was a man. He was killing man. 811 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: He's scared of you. Ain't no problem. I get him, 812 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: you know. But Larry was special man. He my brother. 813 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 2: Man knew how to play, he knew how to win, man. 814 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 2: I mean, he was special man. He was in love 815 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 2: with the game too. Man. He wasn't scared nobody. 816 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: Man. 817 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't fear him. Man, That's what I 818 00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 2: loved about him. 819 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: Miss Freeze out All Star game in eighty five. 820 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 2: Oh you talking about with MJ. 821 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: What's the truth behind that? Forty years later? 822 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: As a joke, Man, I almoa freeze y'all, and I'm 823 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: playing against you. Was another team I'm on another team, 824 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So you know that's again 825 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: we'll tell you about media, right, you know what I mean? 826 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 2: They said our ice and magic, and you know I'm grown, y'all. 827 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I had my doubt my last All Star game. 828 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: I wanted to bust him up because he was a rookie, 829 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, and stuff. So I freeze him out. Man, 830 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: I might know. I want to bust you up, man, 831 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 2: you know and stuff. Man, before you get you know, 832 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: before I get out of here, man, I want you 833 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 2: to have a touch eyes. And you know they went't 834 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 2: with all that rap. 835 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: Man. 836 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: I was disappointed, man, because you know I told Mike, 837 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: I said, Man, you didn't believe that stuff, did you? Man? 838 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'm a grown man. Man, what I'm 839 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 2: gonna freezer kid out? He was a kid then, man, 840 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: you know, and now you know he got a lot 841 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 2: of tensions souse. You know, I was getting dressed and stuff. Man. 842 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 2: They came in and asking me to mo man, you 843 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: know how I feel playing against Mike? I said, Man, 844 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna ask Mike I feel playing against a shot 845 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 2: a jumper yet? Come on, man, But that was media, right, 846 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: you know, So that's you know, man, that was just 847 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: go show you, man, just blown out of blown out 848 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: of proportion. Man, Come on, man, I had my turn. Man, 849 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 2: and then he proved took me when I played with him, 850 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 2: that I had my turn. 851 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, So the next the next year, you're going 852 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: to go and joining him? And what did what I mean? 853 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: Obviously you touched on early. He saw similarities with the 854 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: drive and the work ethic as doctor J. But seeing 855 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: that day to day, what was that like? 856 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: You know? For me? Man, I knew I had my turn. 857 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 2: You know, my turn was over. Man. I was with 858 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 2: a franchise for twelve years and I was the man, 859 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: you know and stuff. So I'm coming to another franchise 860 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 2: that he the man, you know what I mean. I 861 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 2: got common sense, you know what I mean. So, but 862 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: what happened is he got hurt, so that brother got hurt. 863 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 2: So I kind of took that role for a minute. 864 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I was old. 865 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, average was seventeen that year, though, right, Man, 866 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: I was old though, Man. 867 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you know seventeen, I always say I was old. 868 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: But the iceman of old kind of showed up every 869 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: now and they and ten you know, oh were you 870 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 2: at that point, I think I was thirty five. Okay, 871 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 2: I know one game other than dollars the stuff. Man, 872 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 2: you know, I got what thirty three and a half 873 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: or something. Man, you know, thirty five at half and 874 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 2: I end up with like forty something. And that brother said, hey, 875 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 2: he's what happened. I said, Man, I was just kind 876 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: of showing you how it used to be. Now. I 877 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 2: had a good relationship with him, and it proved that 878 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: when he was in my documentary and I didn't know 879 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: some of the things that he felt about me that 880 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 2: he told me in my documentary, and I telling him, 881 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm forever thankful. And when we all man, you know, 882 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 2: you got to go to the source when you got 883 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 2: a problem, you know, and a lot of us, don't, 884 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of go with that hearsay stuff, man, 885 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 2: and it end up killing you. Man. I mean, if 886 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 2: you a man, may't go face another man say, man, 887 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 2: you got a problem with me, you know, let's. 888 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: Work it out. 889 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 890 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: Mike once said, when you think of great basketball players 891 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: of all time, if you're not talking about George Gervin, 892 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: then you haven't watched enough of the game of basketball. 893 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 2: And look who said it that The statement in itself. 894 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 2: So you know, with me, I ain't gotta never sell me. No, 895 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 2: I could play, like I tell me, I could play 896 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: because I put in the work too, you know what 897 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, man, he ain't gotta sell me 898 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 2: at all. But when people like yourself and Doc tell 899 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: people who this guy is, that's enough for me. That's 900 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 2: all I need. 901 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: You guys, ever have any one on one battles? 902 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I ain't want none of him. I 903 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 2: been honest. I mean you know I had my turn, man, Now, 904 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 2: he probably wouldn't have want none of the old ice man, 905 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 2: you know, but I I ain't want nothing, mic Man, 906 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 2: I mean, now I shoot with you. I think at 907 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 2: that time I still could a better jumper. Well, I 908 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: was pretty effective, you know stuff. So Mike, Mike had 909 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 2: to learn how to shoot. You know, y'all know early 910 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: on his career he was a scorer and he became 911 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 2: a scorer and the shooter you know and stuff. So 912 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,959 Speaker 2: but I ain't saying I could beat you, Mike, don't 913 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 2: you know? But I didn't mind try. 914 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: When you look back on your run, I mean, obviously 915 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: in the moment you never really have an opportunity to 916 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: But when you look back, what are you most thankful 917 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: for for this whole journey? 918 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 2: Man? I'm very thankful man that you know. Man, I 919 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: met my wife, you know what I mean, and she 920 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 2: gave me three beautiful babies. You know, I just had 921 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 2: my forty knife your anniversary. You know, she went through 922 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 2: this journey with me. I used to borrow money for 923 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 2: her and for her to support me, be my number 924 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: one fan. You know, That's that's the journey. I to 925 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 2: look at, man, the ball man, it's temporary, you know, 926 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 2: me and her forever. You know, I think for me 927 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 2: to be able to understand that after all these years, 928 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 2: just the most beautiful part about my NBA career. 929 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: Man. 930 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 2: She she was there from the beginning and I love 931 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 2: her to death. And you know, so that's the beauty 932 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 2: for me. You know about ball, I love. 933 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: It quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let 934 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: us know one album you can listen to with no. 935 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 2: Skips once go and on, you know, because kind of 936 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 2: talk about life. Man, Marvin knew about that, talked about 937 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: things that didn't happen, was going to happen. That was 938 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 2: one of them. MJ. 939 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: Kobe Bron How do you have them ranked in your opinion. 940 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I played against MJ. I adn't played against 941 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 2: Kobe Lebron, So I go with you know, Mike Kobe 942 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 2: because I played against his dad. 943 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: And the end of brun five dinner guests, Dead or alive, 944 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: you plus five at the dinner table talking about whatever. 945 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 2: Oh well, man, Bill Russell because he's just crazy is 946 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what? Miles Davis because I, you know, 947 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 2: love his music and stuff. And obviously you know Marvin 948 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 2: gay Well my dad because I never really got a 949 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,439 Speaker 2: chance to, you know, to knowing my oldest son. Man, 950 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 2: because he mean the world to me. Man, he's here 951 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 2: and he's seen all the things I went through to 952 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 2: get here. 953 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: Beautiful childhood crush. 954 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 2: Oh man, my childhood crush. Man, shucks. Man, I didn't 955 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 2: get into girls, y'all young. 956 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,959 Speaker 1: You know, wait until you got that triple black. 957 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got triple black. 958 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: N Yeah. 959 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know that's a hard one for me. 960 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: Had a lot of making up to do. 961 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man. 962 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: So, funniest teammate you. 963 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 2: Ever had, Gene Banks, the funniest guy you ever want 964 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 2: to meet. Man, Gene Banks is my funniest team. 965 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: What team do you play with them on? 966 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 2: Spurs. 967 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: One guest you'd like to see on all the smoke. 968 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 2: Oh wow, one guess Kat Williams. Oh I mess, y'all 969 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 2: love on that one. Then, brother y'all, Hey, God, beautiful 970 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,760 Speaker 2: brother y'all. Let me tell you, man. 971 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: Cast the homie, that's a good call. Well, we appreciate you, 972 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: Georgie and all the greatness you brought to us and 973 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: and and what you meant to the game. You know 974 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: your greatness will never be forgotten. And thank you for 975 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: spending some time with us. 976 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 2: A man appreciate you, Matt. 977 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: That's a wrap, the Great George Gervin. You can catch 978 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: us in all the Smoke productions in the Draft Kings Network. 979 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: See y'all next week. 980 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 2: M hm. 981 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm 982 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.