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I'm telling you abready. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: And Ron Wilf Sleep. 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: It doesn't get any better than that leash the fjord. 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: Two words are trending this evening, Ron Wolfley, Thursday Thursday. 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 4: Apparently people are getting to jump on the Labor Day weekend. 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 6: Next Thursday. 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: The two words we figure will be NFL football, NFL 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: opener maybe and then all ball from there. Oh boy, 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: here we are one week out, and remember we are 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: the original Thursday Night Football fifty two weeks per year, 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: ain't no stinking off season for the Big Red Rage 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: presented by Santane Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: Paul calvic here, Ron Wolfley. 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 6: There, good evening, wolf What's going on, Paulie? A lot? 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for asking, Oh boy, I mean a lot happening 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: in real time. This roster is evolving. I mean almost 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: nearly as we speak. We had another waiver claim this afternoon, 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: did we not. We had guys going to the injured reserve. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: I mean this is going to be, I believe, a 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: season long exercise slash excursion. This roster is going to 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: be churned at every opportunity, true or false, Ron Wolfling. 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it, Pully, I would agree with 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: that assessment right now. You know, it was interesting because 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I know we're going to play little Jonathan Gannon here, 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a little JG in some of the cuts. Just listening 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: to him earlier in the day, you know, it made 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: me think of how exhausted this must be for a 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: guy who was going through his first, his first cutdown 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: day as the head coach of an NFL team. And Paully, 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, although not every head 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: coach gets to say goodbye to a player. Most of 45 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: them want to get to say goodbye to a player. 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: And this is kind of like the third wave right 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: now for JG. When you think about it, it was 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: the cutdown of the original fifty three PAULI. Then of 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: course it was the waiver wire, and we all know that, Hey, 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: just because you know what the Cardinals said, you're on 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: the fifty three. If they go out and they claim 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: a player or off the waiver wire, they also have 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: to let somebody go. So it was like the second wave. 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: And then there's going to be I think in the 55 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: coming days free agent signings where they're still going to 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: have to cut down people. I think he's done with 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: a cutdown process. 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: No allegiances, we've gone with those two words the entire offseason. 59 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: Bill Belichick has no days off, no allegiances. But it 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: doesn't mean you have no affinity. To your point, you 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: get to know these guys. So that initial wave thirty 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: one players. 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: You let go. 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: I'm not sure there were a ton of surprises in there, 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: you know, maybe just maybe a Davon Davis or a 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: Kadan Davis had a chance, or a Noah Tongii, a 67 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: Kyle Soley. You know there were names we're all familiar 68 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: with in that initial wave. They still haven't put a 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: long snapper on the official fifty three, so that's always curious. 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: David Blow, who has since gone back to Detroit, So 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: there's that out there. And then there was the next wave, 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, because they went after waiver claims and 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: then they had to cut danly Arius, the undrafted rookie 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 4: receiving Marquise Hayes, who reportedly is back on the practice 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 4: squad as we speak, Javonte Moffat the safety, Ben Stilly, 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: the d lineman, Blake Whiteheart, who we both know they 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 4: like yes a lot, and we figure is gonna end 78 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: up back on the practice squad. But to your point, 79 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 4: here's Jonathan Gannon talking to the media and just talking 80 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: about the ever evolving fifty three man roster. 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 7: The rosters in flux all the time, you know what 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 7: I mean, And that goes back to we're going to 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 7: try to do what's best we can for the team. Always, 84 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 7: pieces gets shuffled around, pieces move who's up on game day, 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 7: and it's not just the fifty three, it's the practice squad. 86 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 7: It's how many guys are going to get a Jersey 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 7: on Washington, the roles that they serve, there's a lot 88 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 7: of things that go into that, and our guys. 89 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 6: Know that, no doubt. 90 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: And then today you had an offensive lineman claimed by 91 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 4: the Cardinals, Carter O'Donnell from Indianapol. Yes, last three years, 92 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: he's been up and down between the active roster and 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 4: the practice squad. He's yet to play in a game. 94 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: And then along with that, you had a couple of 95 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: moves to the injured reserve my j Sanders with a hand, 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: Dennis Daily with the ankle. So they're eligible to come 97 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 4: back this year, but they must missed at least the 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 4: first four games. 99 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: PAULI, I think I want to go back to the 100 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: original fifty three, if that's okay with you right now. 101 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of moving parts going on, 102 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: but I thought it was interesting because they only they 103 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: had fifty two on the roster, right, and that I 104 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: found very interesting because they kept twenty three offensively and 105 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: twenty seven defensively in two the punter and the kicker, 106 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: of course, two on special teams. And they cut their 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: deep snapper we all know that, of course, and Aaron 108 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: Brewer they let him go, and of course they're going 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: to sign him back, and I think they have already 110 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and he's going to be activated, 111 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure come game time. It's interesting that twenty three 112 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: on the offense and twenty seven on the defense. I 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: was really shocked by that inequity. 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that tell you? Does that tell you 115 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 4: they're trying to throw numbers at some of those question marks, 116 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: some of those position groups on defense that are still unanswered, right, 117 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: I mean, whether it's that backup safety or the cornerback position, 118 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: whether Marco Wilson is available at Dennis Gardek was out 119 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 4: on the field this week. But what exactly are you 120 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: looking at it? Outside linebacker defensive line. You know, they're 121 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: trying to throw bodies at that solution, but what's that 122 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: rotation ultimately going to be. I don't know what sort 123 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 4: of conclusion can you draw from that, if any. 124 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, once again, I think to your point, 125 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: that's what it had to be. But typically a lot 126 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: of teams are not in the practice of saying, hey, listen, 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of edge players, so let's 128 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: keep a ton of edge players. Either they're going to 129 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: be good enough to actually play at this level or 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: they're not going to be good enough. I thought it 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: was really really an interesting tactic. And at Paully to 132 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: your point, you know, Manti assen Fort and JG they've 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: got a reason why they did what they did. They 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: kept seven defensive linemen. Now think about that, seven defensive 135 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: linemen on the act of fifty three, and we didn't 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: think defensive line was a very deep position for them. 137 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: And they kept seven edge players as well, And we 138 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: don't look at the edge and think the Cardinals are 139 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: loaded on the edge right there, fourteen players they kept, 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: even the inside linebacker. And I can understand this a 141 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: lot because of the special teams element that comes into play, 142 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: but five inside linebackers were kept as well. I just 143 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: was very surprised to see more defensive players, considerably more 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: than offense. 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up because I had this 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 4: out with Darren Urban during Cardinals Underground the podcast. Well, 147 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 4: Combat Vy san Calvic, but wait a minute, it's a 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: three to four. Why are you surprised there's seven outside linebackers? 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: And my rime response was, well, I sort of view 150 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: to Jesse Luketta and Victor d. Mukage as the same player. 151 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 6: It's either or. 152 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: I sort of looked at an Owen Papo and Ezekiel 153 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: Turner as either or. But I know these guys are 154 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: instrumental on special teams. 155 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 6: I get it. 156 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: You know there's a Chris Barnes in that inside linebacker 157 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: room as well. 158 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 6: So sure we'll see. 159 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: And they're continuing to add players and then players are 160 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: continually cut. I get it, but we're burying the lead here. 161 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: The big move, obviously that got national attention was the 162 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: release of Colt McCoy and the trade for Josh Dobbs. 163 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 4: And we were on the air this time last week 164 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: when it all came down. They gave up a fifth 165 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: round pick to Cleveland. They brought in Josh Dobbs, who 166 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 4: has familiarity both with the offensive coordinator Drew Petsen, who 167 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: was a quarterbacks coach the last couple of years in Cleveland, 168 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: Israel Wolfork, the current quarterbacks coach, and then of course 169 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: the GM Monijasin Ford, who signed Josh Dobbs in Tennessee 170 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: to start the last two games of last season. So 171 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: just your takeaway on that acquisition. 172 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Paulie, you know, once again I thought that Colt 173 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: McCoy was going to be the starting quarterback going into 174 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: week one, largely because of who he is as a leader, 175 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: how long he's been in the league, the fact that 176 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: he's one of the better minds, of course in the 177 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: National Football League in regard to seeing every defense known 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: to man and maybe executing every offense known to man 179 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: as well. I thought it was going to be his 180 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: experience largely that would take him into week number one 181 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: as the starter. That is not the case. And I 182 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: think you are very familiar as to why. I know 183 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: you have your own take on this and your own 184 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: beliefs on this, and I think you're right on it, PAULI. 185 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: But now that that is the case, and we know 186 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: that Colt McCoy has been released, bringing in Josh Dobbs, 187 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: I thought was very very interesting. This is a guy 188 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: that is a rocket scientist. Of course we all know that. 189 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, anytime you hear a code say 190 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: it's not rocket science, guess what he means it when 191 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: he's talking to Josh Dobbs, No doubt about it. So 192 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, once again, it's going to be interesting to 193 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: see how this quarterback battle shakes out going forward. I 194 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: don't think it's a faith to compleae. I don't think 195 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: it's a done deal that Josh Dobbs is going to 196 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: be the starter going into week one. But once again, 197 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: I thought Colt McCoy was going to be the starter. 198 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 4: And yeah, Josh Doabbs has a degree in aerospace engineering 199 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: from Tennessee and he's done internships with NASA through the 200 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 4: NFL Players Association. So big brain, big big brain on 201 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs has no doubt about it. In fact, speaking 202 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: of who is QB one, I firmly believe it's his 203 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 4: job to lose. When Dobbs was asked about that, he 204 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: simply said, you know what, I put those expectations on myself. 205 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 8: Every time myself in the building, I put starting expectations 206 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 8: on myself. So I know the QB situation is going 207 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 8: to play out however the coaches see fit. But for me, 208 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 8: you not come in ready to compete every single day. 209 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 6: I push myself. 210 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 8: But also, you know, approached the room in that way, 211 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 8: and so I'm excited to be a part of it 212 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 8: and be a part of the team. 213 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: And I thought that it was Colt McCoy's job to 214 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: lose as well. And that's exactly what happened in Minnesota 215 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 4: during the two joint practices. 216 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 5: Wolf. 217 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 4: I just think that he did not slam the door 218 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 4: shut and make up the mind of the decision makers 219 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: to the during those two joint practices were actually, we're 220 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 4: more regular season football then you would get in a 221 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 4: preseason game. He was going against starters. Brian Flores was 222 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 4: dialing it up, giving him regular season looks. It didn't 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: go real well, it improved a little bit on Thursday. 224 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: But if you listened to the Cardinals and they told 225 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: the media they had interest in Josh Dobbs the entirety 226 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: of the offseason, my guess is they got done with 227 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: that second practice, said you know what, we got to 228 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: pull the trigger. Cleveland didn't want to let him go. 229 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: In fact, they even named him the backup quarterback beyond 230 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, and about three hours after he was named 231 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: the number two quarterback, the deal was done and he 232 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: was going to Arizona and Dorian Thompson Rominson, the UCA rookie, 233 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: moved up the depth chart in Cleveland and for a 234 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 4: fifth round pick, Boom, he is property of the Arizona Cardinals. 235 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I'll say about that quickly is 236 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: guess what that was. Great leverage by the Cleveland Browns 237 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: to say always our backup quarterback. By the way, we'll 238 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: take a fifth round pick. 239 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: Episode sixty two of The Day Pash Podcast featuring All 240 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,239 Speaker 4: Pro safety Buddha Baker. It's available now via your preferred 241 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 4: podcast provider. Get the latest updates via Twitter at hash pod. 242 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: All right, we're just getting started on the whole QB 243 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 4: one thing. To your point, I think Clayton tune is 244 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: definitely in the mix. What happened this preseason that might 245 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: improve his odds. We'll get to that, and I'm gonna 246 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 4: make a comparison josh Dobbs to a current NFL quarterback 247 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: when we come back the Big Red Rage presented by 248 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 4: Santan Ford in Gilbert. 249 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: Shatka. 250 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 9: Dobbs third and six steps up throws a k ball 251 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 9: top Treo card. 252 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 4: With the gram a rainbow from Toms. 253 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Great job by Joshua Dobbs to be able to deliver 254 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: the football to the outside for McMath to be able 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: to haul to the turf. 256 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 9: As he's catching the ball tops deep drop, He'll throw 257 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 9: to the near side, catch me. 258 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 7: What turns it up? 259 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: Mail for the touchdown. 260 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 9: Joshua Toms coun time and delivers for the score. It 261 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 9: is the first NFL touchdown for Joshua Dobbs. 262 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: In his first career NFL start. Joshua Dobbs at is 263 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: IGN Eagle Westwood won. That was the end of last season, 264 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: second to last game of the season. In fact, he 265 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 4: started the final two games of the year for the 266 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 4: Tennessee Titans. Did not have a lot of talent around him, 267 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: the worst receivers room in the league, and he still 268 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: went out there and those two games combined forty to 269 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: sixty eight passing, four to eleven through the air, two touchdowns, 270 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: two picks. Passer rating his seventy four. He was sacked 271 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: six times, had a long of thirty nine yards, ran 272 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 4: it eight times for forty four yards. We'll get into 273 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: that in a minute. It's a big Red Rage presented 274 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: by santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Kelvic, 275 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: Ron Wolfley, and Josh Dopps, a guy who was big 276 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: time in the SEC. Ron Wolfly did you know a 277 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: fun Factory. He's one of three quarterbacks in SEC history 278 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: to throw for fifteen plus touchdowns and rush for ten 279 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: plus touchdowns in multiple seasons. The others Tim Tebow and 280 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: Dak Prescott. 281 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: That's pretty good company right there, Pauli. 282 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: And there's another one where he's like one of four 283 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: in SEC history, and then the fourth one is Johnny Manziel, 284 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: So he's got some elite company in SEC history. Josh Dobbs, 285 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 4: he was a fourth round pick seven years ago by 286 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: the Steelers, was a backup to Big Ben. He's look, 287 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: he's with U sixteen. Cardinals are his sixteen. He's never 288 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: really had that chance to flourish. And I'm gonna throw 289 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 4: out this out there. You might want to take my 290 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: car keys. I'm just gonna throw it out there. This 291 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 4: is the absolute upside, best case scenario. 292 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: Sure. 293 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: Geno Smith, Okay, a guy, Geno Smith who sat for 294 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: seven years in fact, actually when eight years between opening 295 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: day starts. Geno Smith, but after watching for all those years, 296 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: came out balled out last year, went to the Pro Bowl. 297 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: He was just rated the number seventy seven player in 298 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: the top one hundred in the NFL. From obscurity to 299 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 4: all of a sudden the starting franchise quarterback for the 300 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks. Now, that would be a crazy set of 301 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: expectations to put on Josh Dopps. But if you listen 302 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: to him, and you listen to the way he talks 303 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: to the media about what he learned in those two starts, 304 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 4: I think the Cardinals are at least intrigued enough to 305 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: give up that fifth round pick and run him out 306 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: there against Washington week one. 307 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Well, maybe that is going to be the case, PAULI. 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see. But always keep in 309 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: mind that Josh Dobbs did not go to West by 310 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: God Virginia. Okay, sat On, he's got that while he's 311 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: got that working against him right now, Paully. But the 312 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: one thing we do know about Josh Dobbs, he is 313 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: a rocket scientist. Once again, this is a guy that 314 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: is incredibly smart. You know what's amazing about this, PAULI, 315 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: When when you really stop and think about it, and 316 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: this was something that Josh Dobbs was actually talking about. 317 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: But quarterback is probably the most difficult position to play 318 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: in all of professional sports. Would you agree with that? Okay, 319 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. It is so cerebral, It is 320 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: intensive when it comes to understanding the game of course, 321 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: and being involved in the offense and calling the offense. 322 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: It is unbelievable, and yet I would imagine being a 323 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: rocket scientist Polly is ten times harder than that. There's 324 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: not a lot of situations that you can look at 325 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: and say, man, you know what, this rocket science stuff 326 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: is easy compared to something else. So I think this 327 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: is going to be actually something that Josh Dobbs is 328 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: going to be able to help not only himself, but 329 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: also the other guys that are inside that room, and 330 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: help Drew Patsing as well. These quarterbacks learn the offense well. 331 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: His Meat and Great press conference with the media, Cam 332 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: Cox from Channel twelve. Cam He asked him, He said, 333 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 4: does it help playing quarterback to be a rocket scientist? 334 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 4: Sort of half joking, half serious, and Dobbs said, absolutely 335 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: it does because it's the ultimate problem solving position in 336 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: all of the sports, quarterback. 337 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 6: So if you want to know. 338 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: About smart and high IQ, how about asking a guy 339 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: from stand right, zach Ertz here on his first impression 340 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 4: of Josh Dobbs. 341 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 10: Yay, smart, obviously, I think that's well noted. He's an 342 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 10: astronaut or whatever he is. He the guy that understands football. 343 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 10: He's played a lot of football. He's got a really 344 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 10: good grasp of this offense. Obviously he's played it in 345 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 10: the past, so him coming into the huddle, calling the plays, 346 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 10: calling the formations has been seamless so far. And he 347 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 10: throws a very catch football, which as a receiver you like. 348 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: And look in the past, he's had the nickname past 349 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: or not though even though he's an aerospace engineer, he's 350 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: not actually an astronaut. But it's good stuff. Okay, you 351 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 4: know who quibbles with some of the fine details. It's 352 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: great stuff, and that's probably where he's going once he's 353 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: done playing ball. But he's aged twenty eight and he 354 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: feels like he does have some good ball ahead of him. 355 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: I just love that, Paul, I really do, because once 356 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: again I would imagine just rocket science, Paul, and I 357 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: keep calling it that, but you know what, it's just 358 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: too good because coaches always saying this isn't rocket science, okay, 359 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: but it just to me, that's got to be really, 360 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: really hard. Is it possible that he looks at at 361 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: rocket science and going, man, that's that's really hard. Quarterback 362 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: in the NFL not so hard to learn, you know, 363 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So that that to me 364 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: is an interesting dynamic because most of the time a 365 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: human being is looking at quarterback in the National Football 366 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: League going, Matt, this is this is involved. This is hard. 367 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: I've got to know all sorts of matchups and alterations 368 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: and checks and audibles that I've got to be ready 369 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: to call at a drop of a hat. And remembering 370 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: all that, of course, and the concepts that go behind it. 371 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: None of that comes anywhere close to what Josh Dobbs 372 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: is probably going to be doing for NASA when he's 373 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: done so tech. 374 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: I would imagine that helps him. 375 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, take all that, all the all the challenges you 376 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: just cited, and he has a two week timeframe to 377 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: get ready to be the Cardinals starting quarterback against the 378 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: Washington defensive front on the road that features four first 379 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: round picks. Okay, think about all that. And when he 380 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 4: was asked about he was completely unfazed. He actually said, 381 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 4: and he was dead serious. 382 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 7: Nah. 383 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: Really, what gives me stress in this whole situation is 384 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: I'm in a new town. Where am I gonna eat dinner? 385 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: You know? 386 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 4: Where am I going to figure out? Where am I 387 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: going out? Because I don't know the town. So that 388 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 4: combined with the fact he's been there and done that, 389 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: just the end of last season. He had eight days 390 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: notice after he was signed by the Titans and then 391 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: started two games at the end of the year. He 392 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 4: didn't even know that system, at least this system. He 393 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: knows the offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing real well. In fact, 394 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: he was asked about the importance of that. 395 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 8: You know, I spent a lot of time with Drew 396 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 8: last year as he was my QB coach in Cleveland, 397 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 8: and so coming into that offense, learning that offense from 398 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 8: him and now coming here and getting his own spinning 399 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 8: variation is very unique, especially with the relationship that we 400 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 8: had as well as he was in that room as well. 401 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 8: So it's good to have that relationship, especially quarterback to 402 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 8: play caller right and understanding why he's calling plays, why 403 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 8: he's installing plays, what variation he's put on the offense 404 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 8: is why he's doing that, and so it makes it 405 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 8: as smooth as a transition as it can be. But 406 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 8: there always are different bumps in the road that you 407 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 8: have to manage and navigate. 408 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 4: And it's not like he's coming off his couch. Okay, 409 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: this isn't. Forty five year old Vinnie Testa verdies some 410 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: twenty years ago showing up on a Wednesday and trying 411 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: to play on Sunday. He went through the entirety of 412 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: training camp. He knows this system, so that definitely gives 413 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: him advantage. Now, obviously didn't take a single snap and 414 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 4: the preseason wasn't there for any of the Cardinals camps, 415 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 4: so it's very unique, there's no question about it. But 416 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: there was a quote from Jonathan Gannon and he said 417 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: this multiple times Wolf when asked about Josh Dobbs and 418 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 4: what intrigues him about the quarterback, what he likes, and 419 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: the first thing he cites is, and I'm quoting him, 420 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: he can make plays inside and outside the pocket. I 421 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 4: think that's more important to the head coach than we realize. 422 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: I think that was a factor in moving on from 423 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 4: Colt McCoy. I think that's the reason they are intrigued 424 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: by Clayton Tune. He does have enough mobility. He did 425 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: run for quite a few yards at Houston. Saw him, 426 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: especially in those Vikings joint practices. Get away from that 427 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: Vikings pass rush, extend the play in fuying guys downfield. 428 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 4: Those are aspects that were not in Colt McCoy's game 429 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: at this point in his career. 430 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: Pauli. 431 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: It's a great observation once again, because when you think 432 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: about it, to your point, you've got Josh Dobbs and 433 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: his mobility, and you've got Clayton Tune and we all 434 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: saw it in the preseason his mobility as well, and 435 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: at some point in time when Kyler comes back his 436 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: mobility right there, that's certainly not a coincidence. That is 437 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: definitely JG looking for the same kind of skill set 438 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: where maybe you can be a dual threat a run 439 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: pass quarterback, of course, as a lot of quarterbacks are 440 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL today, but also too, JG was talking 441 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: about command and production, those two things specifically command and production, 442 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and you just know that Josh. 443 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: Dobbs has got command, Paulie. 444 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to step into a high 445 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: you have to speak clearly, you've got to speak loudly, 446 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: and you've got to know what you're calling in the huddle. 447 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: You've got to know it, and you've got to know 448 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: a lot of the other guys' jobs on that certain 449 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: play and help them out if they forget it. And 450 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: you also have to have command of the offense to 451 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: a point where you might want to challenge a coach 452 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: on the sideline saying, let's not run that play, Let's 453 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: run this play. And to me, that's not the worst 454 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: thing that can happen for an offense. To have your 455 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: quarterback understand it as well as the coach understands it 456 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: is a huge advantage, and Josh Dobbs seems to be 457 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: a guy that might be able to do that. 458 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 4: And again, I firmly think, and this is just my belief, 459 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: it's definitely his job to lose. That being the case, 460 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: it is being termed a quarterback competition right now with 461 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: Clayton Tune. Do you think that is a possibility Clayton 462 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: Tuone actually be eating out of Josh Dobbs. I mean, 463 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 4: what sort of realistic chance do you attach to that? 464 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: I love that, bully. 465 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: That's a great question right there, really is, because tell 466 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: me when Kyler Murray's coming back, Because honestly, right now, 467 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: if you were to tell me this, and I know 468 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: nothing about this, and there's been no leak about this whatsoever, 469 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: but if Kyler Murray was coming back week five, let's 470 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: just say that against the Cincinnati Bengals, he was coming 471 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: back week five, you know what I'd want to see 472 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Clayton tune. As much as I could possibly see Clayton tone, 473 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: I'd want to give him as many reps as we 474 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: possibly could before Kyler would get back. But that not 475 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: being the case. We don't know that Kyler Murray's coming 476 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: back in week five. So now all of a sudden, 477 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I think you're going to throw it up to say, hey, 478 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: let's find out who commands this offense the best over 479 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: these two weeks and who looks like they're capable of 480 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: providing production. 481 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 4: Look, you called all three preseason games right vance Joseph 482 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: Steve Spagnolo and than Brian Flores. Were those vanilla schemes? 483 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: They they brought it right? Yes, times, they really. 484 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 6: Dialed it up. I asked. 485 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: I asked the head coach about that today, and he agreed. 486 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 4: He said that was not vanilla football. He said that 487 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 4: Clayton saw a lot and he benefited from him because, 488 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: you know what, he got more of a regular season 489 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 4: read on what NFL football is all about being a quarterback, 490 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: trying to diagnose and decide as a quarterback. So, okay, 491 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: how much more regular season ready does that make a 492 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: Clayton tune? 493 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 494 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 4: I mean, if Brock Perdy would have played in Week 495 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 4: one instead of Week twelve last year? Would things have 496 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 4: been different? Was he ready from Week one? Single game 497 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 4: tickets are on sale now. Go to Azycardinals dot com 498 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: slash buy tickets to secure your seats today. 499 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 6: How about Buddha Baker on the Pash Pot. 500 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: We're gonna visit some of that next on the Big 501 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 502 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 9: Picked off with the thirty by Buddha running back the 503 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 9: other way forty fifty forty Baker thirty. 504 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: Cuts right, pent tackled at the twenty five? 505 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 5: What art? 506 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 2: What rents? 507 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 6: Budha Baker? 508 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 5: This guy's unbelievable discipline, accountability, A team that's just gonna 509 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 5: play very fast, a team that doesn't care about what 510 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 5: anybody else thinks. Everybody that's in that circle, everybody that's 511 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 5: in that huddle, those are the only ones that matter, 512 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: and we're just gonna play football at a high level. 513 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: I definitely believe that one hundred of strength. 514 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: Is Dave Pash on the call Huda Baker with a 515 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 4: SoundBite there from the Dave Pash Podcast, which has just 516 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 4: dropped great stuff from the Cardinals All Pro safety talking 517 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: about his game, just the reset of this Cardinals roster 518 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: where he believes the team is going what's in store 519 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: this season, and we'll review some of that here on 520 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. 521 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: We are santan Ford, Paul calvic Ron Wolfley. I don't 522 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: know about you, Wolf because you're over in the TV booth, right, 523 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: you're over in the high end real estate part of 524 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 4: the You know, I'm just over there, Hamm and Egger, 525 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: you know me and Drew Stanton J. 526 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 6: Feely. Okay, you know, looking down there. 527 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get an acknowledgment from you and pass as 528 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: you guys go all Hollywood over there. But here's mode 529 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 4: I always discover in the preseason watching, is you forget 530 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 4: you forget how automatic a Buddha Baker and a Jalen 531 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 4: Thompson are with the open field tackling. And then when 532 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 4: you see other safeties out there, backup safeties, dare I say, 533 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 4: lesser safeties, and you see how many tackles are missed 534 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: in space, and you just get a newfound appreciation for 535 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 4: your Pro Bowl caliber safeties that the Cardinals start every game. 536 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pully, Yeah, you're so right about that they're called 537 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: safeties for a reason. They are the last line of 538 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: defense literally typically when you've got to make a tackle 539 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: or somebody's going to score a touchdown. And that's one 540 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: of the reasons why, for the longest time, of course, 541 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: some of the best tacklers on your team, open field 542 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: tacklers had to be safeties, and Buddha Baker certainly is that. 543 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: I'll take Buddha Baker, I'll take him out. I don't 544 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: care if he's in the box. I don't care if 545 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: he's coming down from the secondary, coming down and filling 546 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: the D gap. I don't care what it is that 547 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: he's doing right now. Buddha Baker is the guy that 548 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: I want out on the field. In Jalen Thompson, the 549 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: respect that I have for him, here's a guy that 550 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: we know, Paul. You can line up, you can put 551 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: him over the number three receiver, you can put him 552 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: over that slot receiver, and he's going to hold up 553 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: like a corner. It's such a huge advantage to have 554 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: a guy that is not only a good tackler, not 555 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: only is a safety like Jalen Thompson, but also a 556 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: guy you can move to that nickel corner spot. 557 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: That's huge, you know. 558 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 4: Talking about scheme, I know you said many times that, Okay, 559 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 4: certain players really thrive in certain schemes. 560 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 6: Not Buddha Baker. 561 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: Playing virtue anything you throw out there. His new defensive coordinator, 562 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 4: thirty year old Nick Rowless, and and Dave asked Buddha 563 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: Baker just on working with the new young DC. 564 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 5: You know, I will say Nick is a narrative football. 565 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 5: He really knows the game. 566 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: You know. 567 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 5: He makes it very easy for the players to understand 568 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 5: the game within the calls. Guys, are you know, able 569 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 5: to understand it and play fast? And at the end 570 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 5: of the day, that's what he wants us to do. 571 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 5: He wants us to know what we're doing and after 572 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 5: that and just play as fast as we can because 573 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: we have the talent, we have the players to play fast, 574 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: and you know, he kind of gives it upon us 575 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 5: to of course know our job and then just play 576 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 5: football after that. 577 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 4: Buddha Baker in the Day Pasch podcast. You know a 578 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: little bit we've come to learn about Nick Rowless. His 579 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: fellow coaches call him quote at assassin, So I'll take 580 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: that as he's going to be ultra aggressive this year. 581 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: Is that the gut feeling you get. We haven't seen 582 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: him in action and regular season action yet, but what 583 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 4: do you expect in terms of this scheme. We've talked 584 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: a lot about the offense, what about the defense. 585 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great observation right there, Pauli. I would 586 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: say this right here. If you're always blitzing, if you're 587 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: always coming after, if you're always the assassin, doesn't that 588 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: make it more likely that a team will be more 589 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: prepared for you to do it. I think it's going 590 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: to be a pick and choose. I could be wrong 591 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: on this, Paul, I really could, But you know, surprise 592 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: and the element of surprise is also now that seems 593 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: to be nick rawlis to me right now. I love 594 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: the fact that Buddha is talking about know your job 595 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: and to be able to play fast. Typically you don't 596 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: have a ton of checks in a defense like that. 597 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: When you're able to go out there and play fast typically, 598 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're simplifying your defense, and maybe that's 599 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: what's going on. I don't know. He is aggressive. We 600 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: all know he's aggressive. I love the fact he puts 601 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: his hood up when he's actually calling a game. 602 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I love that ball. He looks like. 603 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: An assassin, no doubt about that. But you know, again, 604 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how he does 605 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: this because just like the offense, where you have to 606 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: tailor your offense with the talent you have, it's the 607 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: same thing defensively. You just can't go willy nilly aggressive. 608 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: You've got to have corners that will hold up with 609 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: that aggression as well. And just don't know if you're 610 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: going to be quite as aggressive with that defense from 611 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: the get. 612 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 6: No, it's a great observation. 613 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 4: And look, whether it's Buddha, Jalen, Thompson, Zavi and Collins, 614 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: we've all heard him over the last few months talk 615 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: about how they feel more free. That's the word they use. 616 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: Free to play in this scheme that JG and Nick 617 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: Rolis don't give the players every possible outcome of every 618 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: possible play that's going to be run by the offense, 619 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 4: they're going to have to think and react. They want 620 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 4: that quick reaction time. They don't want them to hesitate 621 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 4: at all because they're wondering, Okay, which one of an 622 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 4: infinite number of checks am I going into. And so 623 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: that's interesting to see how that plays out. In the 624 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 4: field speaking of the defensive quarter of Nick Rollis. Be 625 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 4: sure to tune in top of the hour premiere of 626 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 4: the latest episode of Cardinals flight Plan. That's tonight at 627 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: seven on the Cardinals YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash 628 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: az Cardinals, and they're going to take you beyond the scenes. 629 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 4: Rawllis the OC Drew Petsen, Special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers 630 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 4: all during training camp and the preseason, the joint practices 631 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 4: with the Vikings, so emmy award winning stuff. Every time 632 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: you tune in flight Plan That's tonight at seven. As 633 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 4: for Buddha, back to the Day Past podcast, we thought 634 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: this was intriguing what he told Dave just about his 635 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: off season regiment. 636 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: After the Pro Bowl. I kind of just set my 637 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 5: mind on working hard and getting my body right. And 638 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 5: you know, of course I gained about fifteen pounds of 639 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 5: muscle sprinting, My acceleration has all gotten better, as fast 640 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 5: as I've ever been, as quick as I've ever been, 641 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 5: as strong as I've ever been, can jump higher than 642 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 5: I ever have, and you know, I just feel very healthy, 643 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: feel very blessed to you know, put that work in 644 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 5: and you know the season's coming up. The season's here, 645 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 5: I'm definitely excited to showcase that. Wow. 646 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: I mean, if he's new and improved like that, we're 647 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 4: talking about a five time Pro bol or two time 648 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 4: All Pro safety, a guy who over the last five 649 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 4: years has more than one hundred tackles beyond any other 650 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 4: safety in the NFL. I mean, like, get your popcorn ready. 651 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: Right, fifteen pounds of muscle Paul on and a guy 652 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: like Buddha Baker, you. 653 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 4: Know, I mean, and he has all the same speed 654 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: and agility. I've told you how many times in the 655 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: sideline you're like. 656 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 6: Whoa where did that guy come from? Wow? 657 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 4: And it was Buddha Baker. I mean, just you know, 658 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: like you say, running into the darkness, it is. 659 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: Paul, There's no doubt about that. 660 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: I just don't know a lot of guys that are 661 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: under two hundred pounds, And I know Buddha is hovering 662 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: right around there, But I don't know a lot of 663 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: guys that could put on fifteen pounds. Now, if you 664 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: were two hundred and fifty pounds, yeah, you know, and 665 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: I put on fifteen pounds of muscle, I can understand 666 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: that if you were two hundred and eighty pounds yeah, 667 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: I needed to get to three hundred and I put 668 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: on muscle, and a lot of guys have done that before. 669 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: But you know, when you come into the league and 670 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: you weigh one hundred and ninety pounds or one hundred 671 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds, you know, typically you're not putting 672 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: non fifteen pounds and Buddha Baker certainly is doing that 673 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: right now. That to me, if he's accurate on that, Polly, 674 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: what an incredible thing that's going to be because right 675 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: now he's already a guy that will wipe you out. 676 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine fifteen pounds of muscle he's on him now? 677 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 4: He's listed at one ninety four, So if we were 678 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: to think he was playing around oneint eighty in the 679 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 4: last couple of years, that would make sense. And so okay, 680 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 4: I mean I believe him. I don't think he's embellishing. 681 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 4: I don't think he's exaggerating on that. So hello, we 682 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: all want to see what that looks like. There's no question, 683 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 4: you know, by the way, speaking in the safety spot, 684 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 4: when you look at some of the waiver claims, it's 685 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 4: hard not to notice Keevon Wallace, who just spent the 686 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 4: last three years with the Eagles with Jonathan Gann and 687 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 4: Nick Rowlis twenty twenty round four pick out of Clemson. 688 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: He's played forty five games, seven starts. Now you put 689 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 4: him theoretically, I would presume, because you and I have 690 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 4: a lot of depth of safety obviously after trading away 691 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 4: Isaiah Simmons and cutting Javontae Moffatt. So now Keavon Wallace 692 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 4: joins a Jalen Thompson and a Buddha Baker. 693 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 6: That's critical. Isn't a wolf because you might you might 694 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 6: have JT in the slot? 695 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: Is your nickel? Yeah, no doubt. 696 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: And you know, it also tells me that maybe there's 697 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: something else as well that is coming. Maybe there's another 698 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: shoe that is going to drop right here. We'll have 699 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: to wait and see the other thing I wanted to 700 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: say quickly, Paully, I am so encouraged and I'm I'm 701 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: cautiously optimistic about the defensive line. The defensive line in 702 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: particular with l J. Collier, Lucky Fotwo and Jonathan Ledbetter. Paully, 703 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: I think these guys we were looking for it in 704 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: the preseason game, that first preseason game against the Bronck 705 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: of course, and then against the Chiefs, we were looking 706 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: for it, and man, when they were in there, there 707 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: was gap integrity. There was no doubt about it. And 708 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: we've all all off season been waiting to see, Hey, 709 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: is that going to be the case. We're thinking that 710 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to line up and 711 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: run the ball against the Cardinals, and how demoralizing it 712 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: is when a team can just line up and run 713 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: it down your throat, cram at vertical, so to speak. 714 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: It's demoralizing. But what I saw in preseason man week 715 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: number one, I'm gonna really be watching that to see 716 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: if that same gap integrity with LJ. Collier, Lucky Foto 717 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Ledbetter, if that exists when they play Washington, 718 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: that to me will encourage me so much if they 719 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: can actually slow down the Commanders. 720 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 4: Because once again you lost half your sacks and JJ 721 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 4: Watt and Zach Allen, So if you can get some penetration, 722 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 4: you can get some pressure trying to collapse that middle 723 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 4: from that pocket, from the middle, from the inside out. 724 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 4: It's going to be so critical because you have some 725 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 4: unproven outside linebackers right now and guys making transitions like 726 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 4: a Zave and Collins, so I'm with you on that, 727 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 4: no question about it. And you know what an LJ. 728 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 4: Collier just taking him as an example, a womer first 729 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 4: round pick who said that he was in a bad 730 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 4: fit of a system in Seattle. So if it's a 731 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 4: matter of that a LeKi Fotu was in a contract 732 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 4: year and mandity play like it in Minnesota, he absolutely 733 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 4: dominated the starting center for the Vikings, Garrett Bradbury and 734 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 4: those one on one. So I'm with you, no doubt 735 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 4: about it. But I'll tell you there's a few other 736 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 4: waiver claims that came across in the last forty eight hours, 737 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 4: and these might be some guys who might make an. 738 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 6: Addition to the team. 739 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 4: And there's some intriguing scanner reports that is next on 740 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 741 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 11: Hi, I'm Christopher Andandez and I'm called lit Bikini and 742 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 11: we're from ted Lasso, and we know I think or 743 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 11: two about football. Now, this is American football, right, so 744 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 11: we have no idea what we're doing here, but we having. 745 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,479 Speaker 6: Lots of fun. 746 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 8: I moved one hundred and ninety seventh pick in the 747 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 8: two posid and twenty three NFL Draft. 748 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 11: The Miami Dolphins select Elijah Higgins tight end. 749 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: Stanford's football is life. 750 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 6: He's here, he's there, He's. 751 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 4: Every freaking where Elijah Higgins. Elijah Higgins. Some great stuff 752 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 4: that was from the actual draft of Elijah Higgins out 753 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 4: of Stanford. Actors from Ted Lasso, while done, always enjoy 754 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 4: that when they incorporate the world of entertainment into the 755 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 4: NFL draft, especially on Day three, Wolf come on, there's 756 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 4: always room from some extra entertainment. And guess what Cardinals 757 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 4: I think are elated they got their hands on Elijah 758 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 4: Higgins via a waivers considering he set some sort of 759 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 4: record where five teams try to claim him, but the 760 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 4: Cardinals of that number three slot, boom, they snap him 761 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 4: and added him to the roster. As we wrap up 762 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 4: this edition of The Big Red Rage presented by Santan 763 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 4: Ford in Gilbert. 764 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, PAULI, and it's really interesting as well, because Elijah 765 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: Higgins is six ' three and he's two hundred and 766 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: thirty five pounds. PAULI, if you could put on fifteen 767 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: pounds right there, you know there's a guy that could 768 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 1: be a stud tight end, could be a move tight 769 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,479 Speaker 1: end as well. Right now, I see him more as 770 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: a move tight end at two hundred and thirty five pounds. 771 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: But it's going to be really interesting to watch Elijah 772 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: Higgins in his career and where it goes from here. 773 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 4: He's a former receiver, Jonathan Gannon confirmed today. No, he's 774 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: definitely a tight end. That's where the Cardinals are going 775 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 4: to play him. But he had good speed for a receiver, 776 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 4: much less a tight end, so he has that athleticism. 777 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 4: What's intriguing too, if you had zoom out in that 778 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 4: tight end room. I mean, well, if you have Jeff 779 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 4: Swayman we had on last week, right, you're quintessential blocking 780 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 4: tight end. You have Zach Ertz, you know, a multi 781 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 4: pro bowler and just a master again downfield in the 782 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 4: seams and reading coverage and great hands. And then Trey 783 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 4: McBride and I don't know how you describe him necessarily, 784 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 4: but we've seen him in the backfield more almost like 785 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 4: an h back at times. But you have like four 786 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 4: distinct skill sets a tight end in that room, don't you. 787 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. Paully. 788 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of diversity right there, and I 789 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: love that because you can be so versatile at that 790 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: position right now. I look at Jeff Swain and you 791 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: know this, Paully the way I value him, he is 792 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: a true stud tight end. He's a guy that is 793 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: going to be a true Why tight end. You can 794 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: line him up on the tackles hip, on the line 795 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, hand in the dirt, and he can come 796 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: off the ball and he can be an excellent blocker 797 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: for you. And then you've got a guy like zach Ertz, 798 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: who is the quintessential move tight end to me at 799 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: this point in his career. For him to be a 800 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: guy that is going to move, I think it's one 801 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Arizona Cardinals are going to 802 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 1: be right up there at the very top in twelve 803 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: personnel in rundown situations. I think they're going to be 804 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: right at the top of the league because of that 805 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: zach Ertz being able to move. And then I look 806 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: at Trey McBride and I see a combination of Jeff 807 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: swam in zach Ertz. I see a guy that could 808 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: possibly develop into being a troop Why, a stud tight end, 809 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: and a move tight end. So it's going to be 810 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: really interesting to see how he develops. Of course, and 811 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: that room is without a doubt, very versatile at this point. 812 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 4: And at this point we don't know if zach Ertz 813 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 4: is going to play Week one. Zach Ertz might know, 814 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 4: he's not sharing with the media said it's uncertain as 815 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 4: of right now, which is par for the course because 816 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 4: you're not telling Washington anything. You're not trying to reveal 817 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 4: who's playing, what sort of scheme you're playing, what the 818 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 4: offense is going to look like. Do they have plans 819 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 4: for an Elijah Higgins on game day? Will it be 820 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 4: zach Ertz. We won't know until that Week one game now. 821 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 4: As for other waiver claims, it was hard not to 822 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 4: notice a couple of experienced offensive linemen they brought in 823 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 4: Keith Ishmael and Tristan Cole Cologne, and these are guys 824 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,720 Speaker 4: who have started games in the NFL recently, especially at center, 825 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 4: because behind Yelda Rojol, things were all thin on the 826 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 4: depth chart. 827 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Polly, It tells me once again, 828 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: just looking at the moves that they made on that 829 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: offensive line, and I would say in particular interior offensive line, Paulie, 830 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: You know, that tells you where they aren't sure as 831 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: to what they're going to be like and how they're 832 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: going to do and where they're going to go. But 833 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting on the original fifty three. 834 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: They only kept eight offensive linemen on the original fifty three, 835 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: and that was really low to me because there are 836 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: teams who will dress eight offensive linemen on game day, 837 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: let alone how many they'll have on their roster right there. 838 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how this develops. 839 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: But I think JG already said it. This roster is 840 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: in a state of flux, and Paul, I think this 841 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: roster is going to be in a state of flux 842 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: all season long. 843 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 4: So right now they're at ten in the offensive line room. 844 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 4: Cologne has played twenty games with Baltimore. 845 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 6: Over the last three years. 846 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 4: Five starts at center, Keith Ishmael five starts at center, 847 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 4: most recently with the Niners, played eighteen games over the. 848 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 6: Last two years. 849 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 4: And so then you put Dennis Dally on ir so 850 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 4: you're at ten because you added Carter O'Donnell today from Indianapolis. 851 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 4: He was cut and claimed and the Cardinals got him, 852 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 4: and so, okay, he'd been up and down between the 853 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 4: practice squad and the active roster. So we mentioned all that. 854 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 4: That leaves Kevon Watts we are talking about and then 855 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 4: the corner Starling Thomas from Detroit. What do you think 856 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 4: about the corner position. That's a position group we haven't 857 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 4: talked about. And where are you right now? Because Christian 858 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 4: Matthew made this team we were wondering about that. It 859 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 4: appears Marco Wilson and Key trawl Clark are your starters. 860 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with your assessment on that one, Polly 861 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: right there, and I think we're probably going to see 862 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton be that nickel corner right now. I could 863 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: be wrong on that. Well, we'll find out, But that 864 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: is if if we're talking about a roster that is 865 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: in a state of flux, I think that dB room, 866 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: that corner room in particular, is maybe the position room 867 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: that is in the most state of flux right now 868 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: because it is a very fluid situation, and Paul, I 869 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be that way all season. 870 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 4: Maybe the biggest surprise, I'll be honest, in the fifty 871 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 4: three was Chris Boyd is still on this roster and 872 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 4: he's been a heck of a special team standout, and 873 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 4: I'm guessing that has a lot to do with his 874 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 4: standing on this team. 875 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 6: So there you go. 876 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 4: Hey, Single game tickets on sale now. 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When we 878 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 4: talk to you next week, we'll be talking about week one. 879 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 4: We'll be talking about the opener just a few days away. 880 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 4: Speaking of special days, how about a happy birthday to 881 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 4: two guys to share August thirty first, Darren Urban and 882 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 4: what's his name? 883 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Larry Fitzgerald. 884 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 2: Oh Japanese fighting. 885 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 6: Fish in time. 886 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 4: It's anyone else's birthday At this point, I think we're 887 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 4: in favor of that special Thanks to jim O, Mahundro, 888 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 4: Cody Fincher, Lauren Cooble. 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