1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm timany Oshinsky, and this is Serving Pancakes NOE. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Not a podcast about food. This is a podcast about 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: volleyball and more to you. A pancake is a fluffy, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: syrup drenched breakfast food, but in volleyball, a pancake is 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: a high effort move when a player flattens her hand 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: against the ground to keep the ball in play. And 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: that's us digging into high efforts that are moving sports forward. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Listen in as I talk with people making the biggest 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: impacts on global volleyball and women's sports perspectives, insights, and 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories, all with the side of pancakes. 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Today's episode features the University of Minnesota's first ever AVCA 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, Sarah Willheide Parsons. Born and raised 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: in the North Star State, Sarah was named Minnesota's Gatorade 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, not once, but twice. She's been 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: a member of the US women's national team since twenty seventeen, 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: and we'll be calling Madison, Wisconsin her home when the 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: love season starts. Hi, Sarah, so good to see. Thanks 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: for coming over and having some pancakes and chat. 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: So we got to start with obviously, the pancakes. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: Are you a pancakesan big fan? 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: So what's your go to? I would say chocolate chip? 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: Well, we have chocolate chips. Do you ever create chocolate 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: chip pancakes and design faces or something with the chocolate 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: chips while you're making them? 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: No? But I would make like mini mouse growing a 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: little really yeah, oh that's so not with the chocolate chips. 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,639 Speaker 1: With the actual pancakes, did you use like a cookie 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: cutter thing or did you just do like big glob little. 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: No, I grew up with like a like a mini mouse. Actually, 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: pancake for I guess wallfull for but pancakes. 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: They're all almost the same, but pretty close. 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty close. 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: So, Sarah, I like to start with this question, what 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: did you want to be when you grew up before 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: you knew about volleyball? 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think I always grew up wanting to be 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: a mom first, right, Yeah, so sweet. I grew up 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: with a younger sister who's ten years younger than me. 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: Oh and so like, throughout high school everything, I just 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: was really excited to be a mom. Of course, not 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: in that time. I was looking forward to it the most. 44 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: I feel like that's what when I'm asked what my 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: dream job is. I always say being a mom. 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: That's amazing. So since you were ten years older, did 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: you find yourself babysitting her? 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: A lot? Whicheah, a lot babysitting. And also she was 49 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: just around all the time, Like I would be hanging 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: out with my friends downstairs and Caroline was behind the couch, 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: like you know, always creep the did you ever get annoyed? 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: So my sister is six years older than me, so 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: there were many times where were the one behind the 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: couches where a little tiff would come in when she 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: was with her boyfriend or whatever it was. 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had those moments too, but it's I mean, 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: now she's eighteen, and it's fun to see her grow 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: up too, because I feel I'll always remember her as 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: like ten year old Caroline. Or she was actually the 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: ballgirl for my college team, and so she I would 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: like dive on the floor and kind of sweat and 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: she would come and wipe it up and she'd be like, hey, 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 2: good job. Then run on so sweet. A lot of 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: sweet memories together. 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh. Yeah did she play? 66 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: She did a little bit in high school, but not 67 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: not beyond that. 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Just didn't follow my sister's footsteps. No, that's all right, 69 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: that's okay. 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 2: We do it for fun. Still that matters, I guess. 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: So when did you get into volleyball? 72 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Then? Oh, I started when I was in fourth grade. 73 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: I was probably ten years old when I really got 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: into it. 75 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: How did you get introduced to it? Was it something 76 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: that your school did or was it something that someone 77 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: said would be good at this? 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: I moved from Arizona Minnesota, and all the outdoor sports 79 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: I was doing in Arizona couldn't really translate to Minnesota weather. 80 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: So which sports did you do in Arizona? 81 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I was pretty young, so 82 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: I was in almost all the like soccer, swimming, tennis, 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: most of the outdoor sports. I didn't play volleyball there. 84 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: And then I moved to Minnesota and my older sister 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: started playing. She's two years older than me, and I 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: just kind of followed in her footsteps and started playing, 87 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: And that's how I got into it. Nobody in my family, 88 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: like my mom, didn't play. My dad didn't play, but 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: fell in love with it really quick when I was young. 90 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: My dad actually was a huge reason I played as 91 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: much like or in fell in love with the sport. 92 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: We would play for hours on our driveway and he 93 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: would create drills for because me and my sister were 94 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: really close in age, and so we would just play 95 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: all the time. And even I'd come home from practice 96 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: and I'd be like, let's go out and play like 97 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: I just loved it. That's so sweet. Do you still 98 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: play with your dad, I mean on vacations and stuff. 99 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not around as much because they're still 100 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. But yeah, we'll always bring a ball to 101 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: the beach if we're on vacation or kind of mess around. 102 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: He's not moving as well anymore. 103 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Well, well, let's be honest, right, you are one of 104 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: the top players in the nation. Right, you can pass 105 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: it perfectly to him and anytime you need to. 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: Well, last time I played with him actually accidentally. We 107 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: were playing on the beach and I served a bottom 108 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: and he like went up to take it and and 109 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: came off and was like, I broke my finger. His 110 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: finger was like yeah, taking a little breaks, Yeah, that's good. 111 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: Forever memory ran to get surgery to actually get it fixed. Wow. 112 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: I was like, sorry, I think it's only right that 113 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: leave my mark. Somehow, I always remember it. 114 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when did you know that volleyball was going 115 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: to be your sport, that you were above average and 116 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: better than a lot of other good question. 117 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: I think in high school I was pushed a lot. 118 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Even my freshman year of high school, the varsity coach 119 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: came up to me and was like, you know, you 120 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: could really help us on varsity. And I was like 121 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: what Because I had just played with my little city 122 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: or my city wasn't little, but I wasn't in club 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: yet or anything. So I just didn't really know. I 124 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: guess my potential because I didn't have a lot to 125 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: like compare it to basically, So he put a lot 126 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: of confidence in me, and I made varsity my freshman 127 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: year and then played my four years there. But I 128 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: still was like, oh, I don't know if I want 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: to go Division one like I was. I don't know why, 130 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: but I had it in my head that I would 131 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: like lose my college experience if I played Division one volleyball, 132 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: which in some ways it affects or it changes your experience, 133 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: but it doesn't like make it go away. So it 134 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: wasn't until my sophomore year of high school where I 135 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: started looking at colleges and I was like, Oh, I 136 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: can actually do this. And I went on a couple 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: of visits, so it was like not just a I 138 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: didn't know my potential right in one moment. It definitely 139 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: took some time. 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: So what DIDJI then decide on Minnesota? 141 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: Well, I'm from Minnesota, but I actually have kind of 142 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: a unique recruiting experience. 143 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: I was the. 144 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Tea I was committed to Wisconsin. I committed there the 145 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: summer after my sophomore year of high school. At the time, 146 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: Minnesota never really recruited me because they had someone my 147 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: year my position on scholarship, so I didn't even go 148 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: and look because they didn't have scholarship available and that 149 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: was a goal of mine, was to try to get 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: a scholarship. So I didn't even look at Minnesota. And 151 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: I toured Wisconsin and loved that school and it's a 152 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: beautiful school. The volleyball program was definitely growing, and I 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: knew a lot of the girls that were there, and 154 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: so it seemed like a good fit. I have a 155 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: lot of family in Madison also, so then I committed there. 156 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: But then about a year and a half later, something 157 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: happened with the girl that was committed there, and she 158 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: decided not to go to Minnesota anymore. And it was 159 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: one of those situations where I was like, I don't 160 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: want to regret not even looking, just because Minnesota is 161 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: my home and my family's all there, and for sure, 162 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: through high school, I was really getting close with my family, 163 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: not that I wasn't before, but it just felt like 164 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: the right thing to do to at least go and visit. 165 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: So it was a little bit of a unique experience 166 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: to then have to go to my Wisconsin coach and 167 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: be like, I'm not ready to sign to commit full ye, 168 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: And those are hard conversations to have, and I remember 169 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: my dad helped me through it a lot because I 170 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: was like, I don't don't know how to sell you 171 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: handle it. Yeah, I was like sixteen or something making 172 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: a huge decision, and I knew it was affecting other 173 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: people if I like decommitted, and so it was just 174 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: really heavy emotionally. But then, yeah, I went to Minnesota 175 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: and it was one of those things where I just 176 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: like knew when I got there that this is where 177 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: I was meant to be. Then I decommitted from Wisconsin 178 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: and committed to Minnesota, and those are like rivals. 179 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey guys, it's me with a fun fact about 180 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the rivalry between Minnesota and Wisconsin, which dates back to 181 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. Since the rivalry started, Minnesota has been 182 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: the dominant program, winning fifty three of their ninety one 183 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: total matches, But since Sarah graduated in twenty sixteen, the 184 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Gophers have not been as effective, winning only one match 185 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: over their last nine. But definitely check out those matches 186 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: when we can. All right back to Sarah, before you 187 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: got to Minnesota, you played on Northern Lights club team 188 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and your team was really good. Yeah, like one of 189 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: the best in the country. So what was it like 190 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: playing at that level? Did it help you when it 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: came to eventually moving to the college level. 192 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: Definitely. And I had girls on my team, Yeah, a 193 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: lot of Division one girls were committed and a lot 194 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: of them were actually committed to Minnesota, And so that 195 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: was a fun experience to then go into my freshman year, like, Okay, 196 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: I knew two of my three roommates. I knew girls 197 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: that were coming in also the year after me. And 198 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of comfort in that too, as like 199 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: you step into this new, huge experience to have, like 200 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: some familiarity and some friends, and the level of volleyball 201 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: also was You're playing some of the best high school teams, 202 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: but still some of the best like athletes at the 203 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: club level. So definitely helped me move on. 204 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: And I saw that your club team got to play 205 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: in Italy. So what was that experience like because you 206 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: were what seventeen eighteen. 207 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my first I that was one of 208 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: my first times abroad, and I think all the other 209 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: times I was with like my parents, So that was 210 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: just a different experience going with some of your best friends. 211 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: And it's crazy to think about now because I've played 212 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: like so many years overseas and I've really been able 213 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: to actually live over there, not just visit. But in 214 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: that moment, I was like, I don't know, stunned and 215 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: shocked the whole time looking around at that side of 216 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: the world because I had never been outside of the States, 217 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: and so it was a cool experience also to go 218 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: through it like we were going for volleyball, which again, 219 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: like volleyball has brought me so many places in the world, 220 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: but to try new foods, to talk with people who 221 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: don't speak English, like, it was just a really good 222 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: learning experience. Also for someone in high school and a privilege. 223 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people get that chance, 224 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: so I was thankful for it. 225 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Well, your team actually won that tournament, and I saw 226 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: it was only like the second American team to ever 227 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: win at that tournament, which is insane. So what was 228 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: going through your mind being in another country and dominating. 229 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Was it kind of shocking to you or did you 230 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: ladies go and being like now I got this. 231 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like we didn't know we were getting 232 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: ourselves into. Like I just remember showing up like, oh, 233 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: we're playing all these teams. We didn't know the quality 234 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: of the teams or the athletes that were there necessarily, 235 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: But I think that's a good way to go into 236 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,359 Speaker 2: a tournament where you're just you don't have any expectations 237 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: and then you are really just worrying about your side 238 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: of the net. You're not worrying so much about who 239 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: was on the other side. There was I remember one 240 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: of the first teams we played just really brought it 241 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: to us, like they were a really strong team, but 242 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: it took that moment to them. Okay, we regrouped, and 243 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: I think we came back stronger in like the playoff 244 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: games and things like that ended up winning. So it 245 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: was a good learning experience and the first little taste 246 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: of like overseas volleyball, international volleyballs. 247 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Now, when you got to Minnesota, I've read that you 248 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: sort of started off kind of like a lamb, but 249 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: you left as a lion. 250 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: See it. 251 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, you, know, how did you go 252 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: from kind of being quiet and shy to becoming a 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: leader for your team. 254 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: I think it goes back to that potential question. Like 255 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: I feel like when I got there my freshman year, 256 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: I didn't know what I could do really and I 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: had definitely a perfectionist mindset going into college. But then 258 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: you get humbled really quick one here in that environment 259 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: because there's girls Like I was used to playing club 260 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: with girls who were all the same age as me, 261 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: and then stepping into a Division I program where you're 262 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: playing with seniors who have three years of experience and 263 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: there are these like big names and they've really grown 264 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: up and helped the program achieve what it's achieved in 265 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: the past. It was like a lot to walk into. 266 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: So I had a lot of fear around competition. I 267 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: think I was wanting to always, yeah, be perfect and 268 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: that's just not realistic. And I think as I got 269 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: older and matured, and also my coach was really good technically, 270 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: like he taught me a lot about like we broke 271 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: down my approach, footwork, we broke down my arms swing, 272 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: and I had never really had that kind of coaching 273 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: when I was young. So I think by my senior year, 274 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 2: things really clicked into place and I played with a 275 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: lot more freedom. I remember there were games when I 276 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: was young, my first couple of years, where if my 277 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: warm ups weren't good, I knew that, like my match 278 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: was going to be bad, just based off of like feeling, 279 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like now if I wit in warm ups, 280 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, warm ups are for warm ups, you know, 281 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: like they're not going to define I'm not going to 282 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: define the whole game. But that was Yeah, a lot 283 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: of it was because I was young, but also just naive, 284 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: like I didn't know, I hadn't experienced it. So yeah, 285 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: I got better at fears went on. 286 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Do you still consider yourself soft spoken, a little more reserved. 287 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. I would say I've realized I'm more of 288 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: an extrovert than an introvert. In the last years, like 289 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: I think, just being overseas, we spent a lot of 290 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: time alone and it's hard to be alone all the time, 291 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: and so I think, Yeah, as I've gotten older, I 292 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: just I mean it's like my people, like I love 293 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: being around my people, Like an introvert extrovert. 294 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: I would say, I can see that I'm an extroverted introvert, 295 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: which would is kind of weird to think because I'm 296 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, hosting this, But I do consider myself a 297 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: bit of an extroverted introvert. I do like my space. 298 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: I am an inside cat as they call it. So 299 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: for people like you who are seft spoken and don't 300 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: always tend to gravitate towards that leadership position, what kind 301 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: of advice do you have for them? For the girls 302 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: who you know are going through the sport, or any 303 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: athlete going through a sport like that. 304 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like like I would tell my freshman 305 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: self that I don't need to be anyone different than me, 306 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: And for me, it's a lot of like I'm someone 307 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: who might lead by example more than I'm going to 308 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: be leading by like words or hoah, Like I'm going 309 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: to really focus on working my hardest and focusing on 310 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: the things that I can control. And my senior year, 311 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: I was a leader on the team, but I still 312 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: wasn't that like vocal leader, but I was able to 313 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: lead in my own way. And so just embracing who 314 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: you are. I know it's not easy, especially when you're young. 315 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: You want to maybe step into roles that are and 316 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: it's good to be pushed out of your comfort zone, 317 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: of course. But when I get in my flow, when 318 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm competing, it's definitely when I'm just being who I am. 319 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm more leading by example than the hoorrah. I like 320 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: the pep talk in the timeout kind of player. 321 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: So, speaking of leading by example, you look at your 322 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: college stats and they're absolutely amazing, and you are a 323 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: six rotation player. You know you can serve, you can dig, 324 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: you can hit everything. So what was your favorite thing 325 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: to do on the court? 326 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: Surprisingly, I actually loved blocking and I still do. 327 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: All right, a brief break for those of you who 328 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: might not be as familiar with volleyball terminology, I'm going 329 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: to give you a quick explanation of blocking, also called 330 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the stuff, blocking is a defensive skill where a player 331 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: jumps and reaches over the net to block an attack 332 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: from their opponent. Sometimes it can be a single or 333 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: a double block if one or two players go up. 334 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes all three front row players will go up for 335 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: a triple block. But to earn credit for a block, 336 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: the ball has to fall on the opponent's side and 337 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: result in a point or side out for good measure. 338 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Sarah graduated from Minnesota with two hundred and forty six 339 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: total blocks. And now back to Sarah talking about why 340 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: she loves blocking. 341 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember there were games in college where I 342 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: was just really able to like positively influence our team 343 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: by having good block touches and getting some stuffs. That's 344 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: like one of the parts of the game that's a 345 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: huge momentum shift because it's like we get the point, 346 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: but then also it's usually on an error from their 347 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: attack or someone, so it can really shift the momentum 348 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: and I loved that part of it. I also just 349 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: love attacking. Minnesota, we ran a super fast offense, and 350 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: with the USA national team, we also run a really 351 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: fast offense, and it's just fun to find unique ways 352 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: to score. 353 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: Laza five foot three and a quarter person. Blocking is 354 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: not my specialty, but I didn't love attacking when I 355 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: had a chance to play outs. That was my favorite. Now, 356 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: so before I get into your professional career a little bit, 357 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: and you know post college, you met your husband in college, correct, 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: So how did that come about. 359 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 2: We met through a ministry called Athletes in Action and 360 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: I went to University Minnesota and he went to a 361 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: Division II school like an hour and a half away, 362 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: and there was this camp about like learning to apply 363 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: your faith to your sport. That's where I met him. 364 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: We just like got to know each other and then 365 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: we stayed in touch through that ministry and started dating 366 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: like a year and a half later. He was a 367 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: huge part of my senior year. I feel like he 368 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: was at every almost every game. It was also his 369 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: senior year and he played football, but his games were 370 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: on Saturdays and a lot of our games were like 371 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: Saturday nights, so he would come to the games, and yeah, 372 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: he was super supportive my senior year. I had a 373 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: really strong senior year and I credit a lot of 374 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: that to my faith and learning to like navigate where 375 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: my identity was. And I think the first couple of years, 376 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: my identity was definitely in my sport. Like I was 377 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: saying earlier, I just needed to be perfect. But then 378 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: once that shifted and I knew that I'm Sarah, I'm 379 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: not necessarily Sarah the volleyball player. Like that was really 380 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: freeing to me, and I think Jamison, my husband, helped 381 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: a lot. 382 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: What was going through his mind when you decided that 383 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: you were going to go play professionally overseas. 384 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: It was a big conversation for us because he was 385 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: pursuing football a little bit professionally. We had some pro 386 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: camps and things like that, but we knew that we 387 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: wanted to be together and we were engaged, and I 388 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: was in Italy my first year, and kind of halfway 389 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: through that year, he was like, I think I'm going 390 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: to stop pursuing football. And that was a huge deal 391 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: for him and for us because he really really loved 392 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: like he loved sports and he loved being an athlete. 393 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: He kind of switched gears and then went into the 394 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: support role and learned to love volleyball too. So then 395 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: we decided that my job was a little bit more stable, 396 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: like Ey had contracts and I knew where I was 397 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: going to be for the year, whereas professional football as 398 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: you could be anywhere and you could be changing like 399 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: every month. It's just especially when first starting out it 400 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: can be really chaotic. So for us, we decided it 401 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: was best for him to stop pursuing and then he 402 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: came with me for our first three years of marriage. 403 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: That's so nice. So it's nice that you had the 404 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: support system because a lot of the girls I talked 405 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: to about playing abroad talk about this culture shock about 406 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, being in another country, most of them alone. 407 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: So I'm going to cut myself off real quick, because 408 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people understand how many athletes 409 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: travel abroad to play volleyball. Before options like League One 410 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Volleyball existed, US players have had to travel overseas to 411 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: go pro. So to give you an idea of how 412 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: many women leave the States. For the twenty twenty twenty 413 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: one season, USA Volleyball processed about two hundred and thirty 414 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: international certificates for players to go overseas and play in 415 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: twenty seven different countries. When Sarah played internationally, she played 416 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: for teams in Italy, Germany, Brazil, and Japan. So let's 417 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: get back to the interview and hear how Sarah handled 418 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: her international professional career. So did you find that having 419 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: him kind of limited that culture shock or did you 420 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: both kind of still experience that. 421 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: So my first year we were a part and that's 422 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: when I experienced the culture shock. Especially like the time 423 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: change is really what would get me because it would 424 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: be four in the afternoon and I would just be 425 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: saying good morning to Jamison or like my family, and 426 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: so I would spend basically all day without talking to anybody. 427 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: And as I'm like transitioning from college to professional, it's 428 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: just a different style of play. It's a lot more intense, 429 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: and when you don't have like school or anything else 430 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: to worry about, it's really like you're just playing your sport. 431 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: That can also be a really hard mental shift. I 432 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: think you have a lot of outlets in college. You 433 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: have your friends, your family, of school, like there's a 434 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: lot of distractions that kind of take you away from 435 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,719 Speaker 2: the sport. But then when you're playing professionally and you're 436 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: overseas by yourself, it's like you and the sport. Basically 437 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: you're like in the gym where you're in your apartment. 438 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: So I did experience a culture shock. But then when 439 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: Jameson came with me, we were in Germany, and I 440 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 2: think that it's a little bit easier to live in 441 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: Germany and like a lot of people speak English. We 442 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: were in Stuttgart, a big city. Jamison actually was able 443 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: to like coach help coach an American football team, and 444 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: so he got involved in some ways, and then that 445 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: helped him a lot too. He had something, oh, because 446 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: I had volleyball. So sometimes it was honestly more hard 447 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: for him because he didn't like he was there for me, 448 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: but he didn't have a full time job or something 449 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: over there. So that helped. And we always just got 450 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: plugged in a little bit with the community or a 451 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: church or whatever it was, and that helped the transition 452 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: a lot. My first year in Japan, that was kind 453 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: of during COVID and so he wasn't ever allowed into 454 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: the country, and so it was hard because I have 455 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: a six seventh month season. I got to come home 456 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: for like four days over Christmas, but then that was 457 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: the only time I saw him all season, so that 458 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: part was hard. 459 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: So what did you do to pass the time? 460 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: Then? Well, I was like twenty minutes outside of Tokyo 461 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: when I was in Japan, which was awesome. So I 462 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: would a lot of times find like on an off 463 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: day or an off afternoon, I would go into Tokyo 464 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 2: and find like a cafe and bring my kindle. It 465 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: was a lot of alone time, but it was actually 466 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: nice to feel that and like learn how to be 467 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: okay on my own I guess, but that was like 468 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: my thing. I probably went to a new cafe every 469 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: single time I went into Tokyo, because Tokyo is huge. 470 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: What kind of books do you read? 471 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: I really read every genre, well, mostly fiction, so not 472 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: a lot of non fiction, which I should probably spink 473 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: learn something. 474 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Historical fiction, right, I mean in the. 475 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 2: Summer, I'm such like a beach read type of person, 476 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: especially when I'm traveling. It's I probably read a couple 477 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: of books every time I'm on an away trip. Ors 478 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: like when we're traveling with a national team for ten days, 479 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: there's always a couple of girls who bring books and 480 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: so we kind of rotate them around. 481 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: Just said that, like the unofficial book club that you 482 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: guys have going on, We have done some We've done. 483 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: Some really fun book clubs too, where we talk about 484 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: like hot topics and things like that, and it's a 485 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: good way to just bring the team together but also 486 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: learn something too. 487 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Well for team. You say, there's a lot of girls 488 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: your age and around your age which is amazing. So 489 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: do you feel that there's just un said kinship because 490 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: of the experience that you girls kind of went through 491 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: college around the same time, kind of have played each other, 492 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: know each other a little bit because I feel looking 493 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: at social media there's so much love. 494 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: With you guys. 495 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: So you guys are always hanging out. So do you 496 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of feel that just being together has just brought 497 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: you together better and made you more of a team 498 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: because of your age and everything. 499 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would definitely say so. You still remember walking 500 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: to the gym my first summer and it was after college, 501 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: and there's familiar faces like Annie Drew's is at Purdue 502 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: and I played against her, Lauren CARLINI, Justine. We were 503 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: all in the Big Ten and we played against each other. 504 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: So it was really sweet to see those worlds collide 505 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: a little bit and learn them not only as vital players, 506 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: but then learn them as people and then even over 507 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: like we play against each other. I played against Jordan 508 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: Thompson a lot this year, Ali Franti, like all of 509 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: these great players, and it's just so nice when you're 510 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: in an over like when you're in another country and 511 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: you see a familiar face, it's like you almost immediately 512 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: start crying because you just can't, like you're just it's 513 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: a piece of home. And then we all come together 514 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: in the summers and it's so fun because we do 515 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: understand what, like how hard this lifestyle is, and like 516 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: you said, there's a level of kinship and just deep 517 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: care for each other because of those experiences. 518 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: I gotta ask because I'm curious. I haven't asked anybody 519 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: else this, but it just came to my brain. Since 520 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: you graduated in twenty eighteen, you're fairly recent on the team, 521 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: but like Jordan Larson had been there for a while. 522 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the. 523 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: Governor, one of the greatest volleyball players. Were you starstruck 524 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: at all? 525 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: Oh, totally, like Luca, Like, there's a lot of big, 526 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: big players that I'm like, oh my gosh, I watched 527 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: you when you were in college and definitely starstruck, little intimidated, 528 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: like oh, I don't know how to pass badishing and 529 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: I think I'm horrible or like little things like that. 530 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: But then also they're just such good people that I 531 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: feel like that stage passed pretty quickly, and I got 532 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: to know Jordan Larsen pretty well. We play cards. I 533 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: love playing card games. Oh and one of the first 534 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: tournaments I traveled on, she always was playing this card 535 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: game and I really got to know her playing it. 536 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: And it's like a four person game. What is it? 537 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: I actually don't even know who created it. I think 538 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: it's called fignette. It's like a I don't know how 539 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: to explain it. Really, it's been a long time normal 540 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: playing cards. Yeah, playing cards. It's like kind of like 541 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 2: Yuker or like hearts. It's like a trick game, not 542 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: like a trick, like a magic trick. 543 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Right, Like, no, I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, interesting. 544 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually that's also a thing we do on the 545 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: road a lot is play cards. And so yeah, it 546 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: was nice. It's just nice to learn about these people 547 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: off the court who you look up to for so 548 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: many years on the court. 549 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: Are you secretly like a hustler at cards? Like? 550 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: Actually? Am pretty good? 551 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: Really? 552 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: My husband we always play like cribbage. That's such an 553 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: old person game. But yeah, really get that's when we 554 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: get in fights. Card. 555 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: Have you taken your hand to Vegas and luck I 556 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: have not? 557 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: Maybe some day. 558 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: That's amazing. So when I was little little, I was 559 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: dominant the game spit do you remember that game you 560 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: never played Spit. That's like a little tough to explain, 561 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: and it's like it's just two people. No, you don't spit. 562 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: You say spit when you like flip the card over 563 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: like spit, you turn on. It's like Solitaire. You have 564 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: to put the cards on and then when your your 565 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: side is any, slap the shortest pile. And the idea 566 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: is to lose all your cards. But I dominated at 567 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: that game and rummy five hundred, Oh my god, you 568 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: and I should play Runny five D. I never lose. 569 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 2: I do love Rubbie though, so I think this is. 570 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Some good competition on the next episode of Pancakes. So 571 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: looking at your social media, I feel like there's volleyball 572 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: on there. But you're someone actually who has a lot 573 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: more photos and things about you as a person. So 574 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: what do you like to do in your off time? 575 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: A lot of it is just spending time with people 576 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: I love, especially in the summer times. I'm like soaking 577 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: up to the moments that now where I'm not going 578 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: overseas anymore, But in the years that I was going overseas, 579 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 2: this summer was like so valuable in my little moments 580 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: of being at home with my family, Like I love 581 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: documenting little things and getting created in that way, and 582 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: like obviously a volleyball player, but I feel like a 583 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: reason why maybe I'm not so like I'm not always 584 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: posting about it is I feel like I'm just so 585 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: much more than a volleyball player. And that's kind of 586 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: where I like going more my creative route on like 587 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: social media things like that. Are you a scrap booker? No, 588 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: but I feel like I want to be. 589 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, but it's like mom vibes amazingly, you are 590 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: meant to do this. I can feel like you're gonna 591 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: have the best scrap You're gonna be like Leslie. Nope, 592 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: but with scrap books. 593 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love documenting like moments, and I feel 594 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: like when I look back on my pictures from overseas 595 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: and things, it's a lot of like the people that 596 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm with, not so much like when I'm doing it 597 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: on the court or like my successes or things like that. 598 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: I just love documenting the people and because that's I know, 599 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: when I look back on this whole journey, that's what 600 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember the most. And volleyball is what got 601 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: me there, which is amazing, and I obviously love the 602 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: sports so much, but I'm going to remember the people 603 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: and just all the relationships. 604 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, now that you get to play in the States, 605 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to the most. 606 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm four hours from Minnesota Albion the Madison team. 607 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: My grandparents live in Madison. Like, there's so much just 608 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: families surrounding me and excited to like be able to 609 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: come and watch a live game. I had a lot 610 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: of family able to visit when I was overseas, but 611 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: that's like one or two games. So just the opportunity 612 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: to play in front of family and friends again in Madison. Also, 613 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a full circle moment for me 614 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: because I was committed there and call like to go 615 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: there in college and now I'm going to be there 616 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: and my grandparents are really excited. So that's probably what 617 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: I'm most excited for. And just women's sports right now 618 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: in the US is just taking off, and I feel 619 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: like the timing of this league is so perfect for 620 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: that and to be a part of that and to 621 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: see how volleyball specifically can grow, but also just women's 622 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: sports in general, it's going to be really really cool 623 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: to see it take off because I have a feeling 624 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: that it will. 625 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I mean looking out from when you 626 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: started club college to where we are now, did you 627 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: see that coming or was it sort of like, Wow, 628 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe that this is happening, but I'm so 629 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: glad it is. 630 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the ladder. Like I had heard of people 631 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: who have tried to start a league, but it's everyone's 632 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: always like, oh, it's like one year and done. Usually, 633 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: even in my first years overseas, I was like, it's 634 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: just not going to happen. And then I started hearing 635 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: little chitter chatter of things like being brewed up, and 636 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: it was almost like I was almost skeptical. I was 637 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: almost like, well, I'll believe it when I see it, 638 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: I think, But then it just Yeah. When I was 639 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: sitting in my apartment in Turkey in December and I 640 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: was like deciding if I wanted to do it or not, 641 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: I was like, this, it would be crazy if I 642 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: said no. Just being a part of one of the 643 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: first leagues in the States is such a unique thing 644 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: to be able to say and do, and so it 645 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: was like an easy yes for me once I really 646 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: sat down and thought about it. 647 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, So once it's all said and done, 648 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: once you know you decide to be a mom, even 649 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: if you decide to come back after being a mom, 650 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: what do you hope your legacy is going to be. 651 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: I really want to look back on my career and 652 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: just know that like I put everything into it and 653 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: going back to the relationships piece, Like, I want to 654 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: also grow the sport for the next generation. And I 655 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: think that's what's so cool about love is they're really 656 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: partnering with like these young club players and they'll have 657 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: the opportunity to grow up and do what we're doing. 658 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: And so I'm really looking forward to those connections with 659 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: the next generation and sharing with them my heart and 660 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: then me hearing their heart and like helping in anywhere 661 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: I can to continue to grow the sport but also 662 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: grow personal just individuals journeys. 663 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: If you could go back and tell your twelve year 664 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: old self something, what would you tell her? 665 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: I would tell myself to really be present in the 666 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: little moments like even talking with you here and going 667 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: back to like how I did feel in high school 668 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: where I didn't know what my potential was. Then again 669 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: in college, I again had that moment where I'm like, 670 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: oh am I good? Or like how good can I be? 671 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: And then just like being proud of those little moments 672 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: along the way. And that's what I would tell also 673 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: the young players now, is enjoy the moment that you're in. 674 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: For example, in high school, you're never going to play 675 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: with your best friends that you grew up with again. 676 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: And then you get to college and you're like the 677 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: people you're like that are your year and those experiences 678 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: you're never gonna have that again. So just like stay 679 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: present and enjoy and be proud of that and then 680 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: move on to the next document it. Yeah, exactly. 681 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: And the last question I have where do you hope 682 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: to see volleyball in five to ten years? 683 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: I hope just to see it grow and grow every 684 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: single year and get like the visibility that it deserves. 685 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: Having a professional league is such a great step, but 686 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: I still think it can. Like my hope is that 687 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: it just takes off. And like you said, like I 688 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: would love to have a baby and have the opportunity 689 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: to come back and play, Like even having that option 690 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: is so powerful and that's like a goal of mine 691 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: and I would love to do that. And just the 692 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: fact that women were able to have that option of 693 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: potentially having a child and then coming back and doing 694 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: this like playing the sport you love, is so unique 695 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: and powerful. 696 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: I love it well. 697 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: Sarah, thank you so much for good cheers. 698 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: It's volleyball to the future to you. Thank you so much. 699 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Serving Pancakes is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership 700 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us 701 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 702 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Production by League one Volleyball, I'm your host 703 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: Tiffany Oshinsky. Anya Olivarez is our senior producer. Our executive 704 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: producers are Carrie Stett, Tamaradike, and Lindsay Hoffman. Our marketing 705 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: lead is Jawara Parker. Sound mixing by Max Lorenzen. Our 706 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: theme music is Pancakes by Eric W. Mast Junior special 707 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: thanks to Sarah will Hide Parsons. 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