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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking use tonight bombshell DNA breakthrough in the case of

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Speaker 2: teen girl Shade Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Blood found in suspect Maxwell Anderson home.

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Speaker 2: Does not belong to shaw Day, the mystery blood, a

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Speaker 2: backyard grave already dug, and the discovery of a basement

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Speaker 2: sex dungeon? Are there more victims? Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl

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Speaker 3: Shade Robinson's remains. A fourth set of body parts, this

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Speaker 3: time at a remote tree line stretch of beach along

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Speaker 3: South Michigan. Just after seven am, someone walking along a

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Speaker 3: South Milwaukee waterline discovered an arm and torso. The remains

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Speaker 3: washed ashore about a quarter of a mile from a

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Speaker 3: bag down the cliff to recover the body parts. Police

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Speaker 3: have continued their search, using a sonar detection book to

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Speaker 3: scour the lake.

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Speaker 2: What hell, I mean, pure hell? Are Shade's parents going through?

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Speaker 1: This? Young girl in college now appearing.

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Speaker 2: This is the fourth set of remains, this time a

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Speaker 2: torso what else is missing? And how can they hope

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Speaker 2: entire body? A first date turns to murder a torso

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Speaker 2: just being discovered. We are convinced it belongs to teen girls.

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Speaker 2: Shaw Day, how did the whole thing start? Listen?

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Speaker 4: Shade Robinson, nineteen, is excited for her first date with

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Speaker 4: Maxwell Anderson, a local bartender. The pair decide on seafood,

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Speaker 4: place he used to work. After dinner, the date continues

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Speaker 4: at Dukes On Water, and Anderson invites Robinson back to

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Speaker 4: his home. Around twelve thirty four am. Robinson's car leaves

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Speaker 4: Anderson's home and makes several stops around Milwaukee, spending nearly

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Speaker 4: two hours at a pumphouse in Warnermont Park. The next day,

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Speaker 4: reports her missing. Hours later, a severed human leg is

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Speaker 1: Listen to the Milwaukee County Sheriff.

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Speaker 5: Subsequently, a Milwaukee police officer who was aware of our

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Speaker 5: investigation raised the possibility that the leg may be related

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Speaker 5: to a missing person investigation that they were conducting, and

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Speaker 5: that missing person was Sadan Robinson. The severed leg has

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Speaker 5: been preliminarily identified as belonging to miss Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first for the very latest out to Aaron Maybin,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter and anchor for Fox six in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Aerin, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: There's so much happening and so quickly in the Shade

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Speaker 2: Robinson case. But first I want to go to the torso.

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Speaker 2: We have a torso, a female torso, that has washed up,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. We have unidentified blood, Aaron Maybin, and

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Speaker 2: not just blood.

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Speaker 1: Aaron.

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Speaker 2: For instance, if I go to your home and I

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Speaker 2: see a few spots of blood around your bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Sink, I think, oh, hey, gout his face shaving.

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Speaker 2: This is blood on betting going up the wall from

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Speaker 1: And we know that the basement now on.

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Speaker 2: Covered was a sex dungeon, and blood elsewhere in the

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Speaker 1: So with all of this happening, I can't help but

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Speaker 1: wonder are there more victims?

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Speaker 2: Since that blood does not match sha Day, and we

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Speaker 1: But back to the Torso, tell me everything.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know this all began with a severed leg

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Speaker 6: much mystery. And that's what this case has been, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: a ton of mystery. Where are these body parts? First

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Speaker 6: off coming from? And then we later learned that it

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Speaker 6: just the series of events continued to pile up. The

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Speaker 6: Someone was walking along the beach, Nancy, and they found

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Speaker 6: because these places where they were found really not close

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing Aaron Maybon from Fox six speaking, so

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Speaker 2: a ten minute drive between Now we've got four different

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Speaker 2: drive from what to what?

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Speaker 6: From where that first severed leg was found on April second.

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Speaker 6: This is a very wooded area, a beachy area with

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Speaker 1: Trying to figure something out.

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Speaker 2: When you say rocky, do you mean as in Pacific

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Speaker 6: More gravel instead of sand instead of sand, and beach

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Speaker 2: So question does it appear, Aaron Maybon Fox six, Milwaukee,

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Speaker 6: Well, we know that people found it as they were

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Speaker 6: Police in the Sheriff's office have not really released those

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Speaker 6: details on where they were discarded, how they got there.

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Speaker 6: But the current with Lake Michigan is so fascinating. You

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Speaker 2: In addition to Fox six is Aaron Maybin joining me

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Speaker 2: is an expert in exactly that. Keith cormickin underwater search

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Speaker 2: and recovery expert, director of Bruce's Legacy, searching for shah

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Speaker 2: understanding the discovery of shah Day, this last discovery. It's

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Speaker 2: very hard for me to look at her and her

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Speaker 2: to know her. A girl making all a's in college,

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Speaker 2: And now I'm talking about the fourth set of body

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson murdered Lacey. After a period of time, her

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Speaker 7: Nancy, I honestly don't think that she was dumped in

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Speaker 7: Located about four miles south of the park of where

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Speaker 2: Wait, that is very vague, Keith Kormickin, you're an expert

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Speaker 2: your phraseology just one moment. I'm trying to determine, like

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Speaker 2: the other three sets of body parts, was this torso

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Speaker 1: That torso thrown into water?

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Speaker 2: And I have a very specific reason for asking water

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Speaker 2: earth which one?

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Speaker 1: From what I.

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Speaker 7: Understand, it was looked like it washed up on the beach.

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Speaker 1: Okay solinated to hear washed up? That means water. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to rush you.

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Speaker 2: I have one hour to get through the developments Shawde's case.

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Speaker 1: Why am I in a rush?

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Speaker 2: Because there's a very strong possibility that there are other victims.

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Speaker 1: And you know where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Maybin, If you don't know a horse, look at

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Speaker 2: his track record? Has he put other victims? Specifically? Who

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Speaker 2: was that grave Doug for in his backyard? Whose blood

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Speaker 1: Who else had been in that sex torture chamber that

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Speaker 2: So if he put part of shaw Day in the water,

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Speaker 1: See where I'm going with this?

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Speaker 6: I want to go back to what police are sharing

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Speaker 6: there's so much that we are still working to get.

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Speaker 6: But we know that right now police are just searching

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Speaker 6: that was a development that came in that preliminary hearing too.

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Speaker 6: But police are only telling us right now, Nancy, that

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Speaker 6: they are looking at Maxwell Anderson and shah De Robinson together.

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Speaker 6: They're not putting any other speculation out there, any other

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Speaker 2: Can I just do a lightning round with you, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: just a quickie, let's do it. Isn't it true that

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Speaker 2: civilians are the ones that find the body parts?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: No, sure in this case.

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Speaker 2: And isn't it also true that a civilian found the blanket,

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Speaker 2: the Pit Tribute blanket that was Shade's near Shade some

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Speaker 2: of her remains civilians?

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Speaker 1: Yes? No, yes, okay?

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Speaker 2: And isn't it also true, Aaron Maybon, that civilians are

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Speaker 2: the ones that are out searching for shah.

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Speaker 1: Day and any of her remaining body parts. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 2: My point is police are saying right now, we're only

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Speaker 1: Really, okay, let's move forward with what we know.

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Speaker 2: We know that the police have the suspects of blood,

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Speaker 2: they've got his DNA. Obviously, we know that they have

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Speaker 2: shah Day's DNA.

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Speaker 2: Would argue that the blood found in the home, since

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Speaker 2: they're not saying it's the defendants and they're saying it's

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Speaker 1: Days, it's somebody else's. Is that logical to you? Aaron Maybon?

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Nancy, Okay, going forward from there, Doctor Eric

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Speaker 2: Eston joining me Board Certified Forensic Pathologists consultant on Facebook,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Aesen, isn't it relatively easy for a medical examiner

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Speaker 9: Be bloated for sure, because being under the warn of

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Speaker 2: doctor Eric Esen, Isn't it true, I'm just talking off

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Speaker 2: you why when you when I've seen other dismemberments, the

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Speaker 2: It's not to compare chickens with people, but that is

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Speaker 2: So when you said we don't know where the cutting happened,

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Speaker 1: Is that right, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which leads me to a whole another line of

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Speaker 2: questioning Aaron Maybon, and that is if she was dismembered

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Speaker 1: They would tell us if it was his DNA and it's.

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Speaker 2: Not hers, the dismemberment didn't happen there, then where did

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Speaker 2: it happen? Speaking of searching the home, listen to this.

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Speaker 10: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of

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Speaker 10: cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close

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Speaker 10: Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite

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Speaker 10: having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors say

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Speaker 2: Joining me is high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, trial lawyer,

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Speaker 2: TV analyst founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal and to

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Speaker 2: my purpose as a former felony prosecutor, you can't be

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: It just keeps coming, doesn't it, More and more evidence

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Speaker 2: for the prosecution in this case. And I don't care

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Speaker 2: one moment to get those locations. It's not the defendants,

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Speaker 2: it's not the victim, Shahdai. I mean a sex dungeon,

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattis. There's got to be more victims.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that we now know he disposed of

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Speaker 1: No telling what else what other crimes he may have committed.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy Asty said, you know, with each week it

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Speaker 11: seems like there is a new horrifying revelation in this case.

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Speaker 11: And so now we're hearing about the blood that does

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Speaker 11: not belong to Shaddy Robinson. Whose blood is that If

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Speaker 11: it's not Maxwell Anderson, it's not Shoddy Robinson, it's another person's.

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Speaker 1: It's likely another victims.

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Speaker 11: And so I'll be interested to hear what put police

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: Volunteers are still looking for parts of Chahda's body behind

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Speaker 2: bars right now. The son of a multi millionaire Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: has he had any meaningful interrogations with police? Where is

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Speaker 2: the rest of Shahde's body? And in light of a

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Speaker 1: Crime stories? With Nancy Grace with me an all star pedel.

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Speaker 2: But now to special guests, doctor Jory Craws and psychologists

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Explain a sex link, restraints, handcuffs and this was all

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that would be a behavioral prove of information for

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Speaker 2: Doctor Droy Krausen, you mentioned power and control and having

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 12: The dismemberment in this I look at as evidentiary because

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Speaker 1: Joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, Sidney.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I noticed in the amended affidavit police they probably cause affidavit.

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Speaker 2: Police very carefully amended the prior information to state that

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the location of the

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Speaker 8: Nancy, that blood was found on a comforter. We're not

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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus joining me, high profile lawyer and legal analyst.

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Speaker 2: We know that, for instance, a DNA sample, like a

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Speaker 1: That said Eric Fattus. If they have the.

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Speaker 2: Defendants of blood, then they should know and be able

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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned that there's more. There are more.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, Nasie, I think the community shares your

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Speaker 2: Guys over the weekend. It was Shadai's mom, Sheenas Carboro's birthday,

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Speaker 2: and she says, and I quote, that's all I want

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Speaker 2: for my birthday, Shade's mom, pleading for help finding the

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Speaker 2: rest of her daughter's remains. Can you imagine that that's

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Speaker 2: what you want for your birthday, the rest of your

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Speaker 2: daughter's body parts. This as a suspects sitting in jail

446
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Speaker 2: with three hots and a cot, refusing to tell police

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Speaker 2: all the places he allegedly scattered shah Day's remains a

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Speaker 2: first date murder and dismemberment, and she had been so

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Speaker 2: excited for this first date. A group of about twenty

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Speaker 2: people in the last forty eight hours were in the

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee River with wetsuits and boats as they continue the

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Speaker 2: search for shaw Day, Robinson and joining right now Keith

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Speaker 2: krmickan underwater search and rescue recovery expert searching for shaw

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Speaker 2: Day in bodies of water. Keith Cormickan tell me about

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Speaker 2: the search of the Milwaukee River.

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Speaker 7: I am familiar with the river, but I know it's

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Speaker 7: a very shallow, rocky, very rocky river, so it's going

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Speaker 7: to be very difficult to search and be best all by.

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Speaker 2: Diving twenty people out on Saturday with wetsuits and boats.

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Speaker 2: Why do you say it is or is not too

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Speaker 2: shallow for diving.

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Speaker 7: It would be the best case scenario is to put

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Speaker 7: divers in to search that area.

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Speaker 2: Mister Kormickin, tell me about your search for shaw Day.

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Speaker 7: Sure, So I searched along the shoreline of the park

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Speaker 7: that the leg was found. We searched a shallow area

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Speaker 7: out to about ten feet one hundred and fifty feet

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Speaker 7: off a shore. This area is found to be very rocky,

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Speaker 7: from anywhere from six to two foot round boulders lined

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Speaker 7: along the shoreline and off the shore. So that's the

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Speaker 7: area that we had been there and searched. Visibility is

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Speaker 7: about two feet of visibility is what we had with

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Speaker 7: the remote operated vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Does your vehicle have size scan centar?

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Speaker 7: My ROV has forward facing sonar, so it shines forward.

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Speaker 7: So it's a very high end sonar.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 7: But in a rocky area like this, sonar is not

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Speaker 7: going to work.

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Speaker 2: No, because you can't distinguish between rocks and body parts.

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Speaker 2: It's not a disjuncture. We're not looking for a body

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Speaker 2: which would show up even in roy a rocky area

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Speaker 2: because you can make out the outline of it, but

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for your body parts with the rocky bottom,

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Speaker 2: you won't be able to tell what you're seeing. Guys

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Speaker 2: with Me is an underwater search and recovery expert Keith

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Speaker 2: kormickin Also with Me Sidney Summer Crimeonline dot Com investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter Sidney, what can you tell me about gas cans

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Speaker 2: being found.

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Speaker 1: In the suspects home? And I want to just ask

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Speaker 1: one more time about the blood the location of the blood.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, they found those gas cans in the bloodstains on

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Speaker 8: that search warrant from April fourth, gas cans were found

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Speaker 8: in the garage and that just further corroborates that Anderson

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Speaker 8: is responsible for that car fire. We remember he was

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Speaker 8: scene entering a bus just after the fire started, carrying

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Speaker 8: a ten backpack matching multiple witness descriptions. And that blood

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Speaker 8: again was found on betting, on a comforter and on

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Speaker 8: the wall of a stairwell leading down to the basement

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Speaker 8: where that sex dungeon apparently is.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I guess I need to shrink on this one, Attorney

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Speaker 2: Eric Faddis, But who digs a grave in the backyard

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Speaker 2: and doesn't use it.

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Speaker 1: What is that? Saving it for later? What's that exactly?

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Speaker 11: I mean, you don't need a PhD to find out

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Speaker 11: kind of what a person's intention was. It's a five

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Speaker 11: feet by six feet grave. It's a human body size. Okay,

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Speaker 11: everyone knows that. And so you know what was this

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Speaker 11: guy planning that? This took place in my understanding months

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Speaker 11: before the shot in Robinson incident, and so you know

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Speaker 11: what did he have in his mind? What were his

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Speaker 11: plans for seaw day as well as potentially others?

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Speaker 12: Nay?

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Speaker 1: Can I chime in?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Jump that grave?

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Speaker 12: To me as a behavior is he's looking for the

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Speaker 12: perfect victim to fit in that grave. Okay, He's doing

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Speaker 12: a lot of prowling from what I've been reading about

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Speaker 12: you the internet.

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Speaker 6: He's working at the bar.

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Speaker 12: He's looking for the perfect victim to fit in that grave.

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Speaker 2: And you think a bartender is just making you a drink,

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Speaker 2: and the whole time he's looking at you, looking at

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Speaker 2: your driver's license in you hand to prove Dob.

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 2: His dad and a walking millionaire offers him a job,

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Speaker 2: gives him nepotism, nepotism, a job in his insurance brokerage firms.

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Speaker 1: I recall that's what it.

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Speaker 2: Was Sydney summer. But he can't hold a job. He

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Speaker 2: can't hold it at thirty three. He's a part time bartender.

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Speaker 2: When he can hold down a job scoping out in

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Speaker 2: a hut like a hunter, like doctor Jewry Crass and said,

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Speaker 2: and let me remind everybody he's innocent for now until

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Speaker 2: the state proves him guilty.

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Speaker 1: But what fatus you said that?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but let's just

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Speaker 1: pretend that you're right.

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Speaker 2: That the grave was dug in the backyard well before

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Speaker 2: he had a date as first date murder with shah

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Speaker 2: Da Robinson, the teen girl college student.

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Speaker 1: What was it for? Well, who was it for?

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Speaker 2: And if it was for any other purpose, why wasn't

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Speaker 2: it used and covered up? Did nobody notice there's a

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Speaker 2: grave in the backyard. I got a neighbor that can

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Speaker 2: tell you everything that happens in my backyard.

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Speaker 1: Nobody noticed a grave back there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, totally fair questions.

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Speaker 11: And it sounds like at least one of the friends

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Speaker 11: or acquaintances of Max Linderson was aware of this grave

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Speaker 11: in the back and end the explanation that the suspect

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Speaker 11: Max Anderson gave doesn't make any sense that he was

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Speaker 11: building another underground basemook when he already had like a

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Speaker 11: full underground basement in his in his primary residence.

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Speaker 6: Makes no sense.

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Speaker 11: And so you know, anybody with a mind is going

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Speaker 11: to look at this and start thinking, what other uses

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Speaker 11: was he trying to put this to? What other people

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Speaker 11: was he eyeing down for purposes of this backyard grave.

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Speaker 2: Back to Sydney Sumner, speaking of cell phone pays. We

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Speaker 2: saw what digital footprints can do in a trial such

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Speaker 2: as the Alex Murnaud trial and the double murder trial

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Speaker 2: for the slave of his wife and son, or what

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Speaker 2: we see it doing in the Brian Coburger quadruple sleigh

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Speaker 2: out in Idaho. Tell me about the digital data in

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Speaker 2: this case, Sydney, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: In this case, the cell phone data starts with Robinson's

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Speaker 8: text messages with Maxwell Anderson before their date Monday evening.

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Speaker 8: So they texted around five pm to decide where to

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Speaker 8: eat that night, and they arrived at Twisted Fishermen around

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Speaker 8: six point thirty. Excuse me five. They arrived at five

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Speaker 8: pm and they left around six point thirty. This all

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Speaker 8: indicated by Robinson's cell phone from the Twisted Fishermen. The

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Speaker 8: couple traveled to Duke's on Water and this was also

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Speaker 8: evidenced by Robinson's cell phone. They stayed there until about

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Speaker 8: nine PM, and Robinson sent his snapchat to her friend

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Speaker 8: from Dukes that she turned that in when she reported

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Speaker 8: Robinson missing. The next morning, from Dukes, they traveled to

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Speaker 8: Anderson's home and her phone was there until about twelve

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Speaker 8: forty five am at Ping's near Pleasant Valley Park, then

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Speaker 8: Ping's at Warnemont Park where its phone battery dies at

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Speaker 8: four thirty five am. That was her last known location.

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Speaker 8: Robinson's family also had Life three sixty groups. They were

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Speaker 8: also able to track her using that app aside from

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Speaker 8: her pings, and they have been out searching those areas

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Speaker 8: evidenced by that Milwaukee River search over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, Eric, that he waved his preliminary hearing

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Speaker 2: and what does that mean to you legally?

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Speaker 11: That's my understanding. And it's a bit of a head

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Speaker 11: scratcher on that one, because usually a defendant will wave

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Speaker 11: their preliminary hearing in exchange for some either plea offer

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Speaker 11: or some promise of future negotiations. Because if there's no

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Speaker 11: plea offer on the table and offense going to trial anyway.

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Speaker 11: Usually they say, hey, prosecution, you've got to prove the

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Speaker 11: probable cause at the preliminary hearing. You're not giving me

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Speaker 11: anything to wave in exchange for this, so you'll prove it.

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Speaker 11: The fact that he waived it is a bit of

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Speaker 11: a head scratcher. I don't know if any communications that

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Speaker 11: have taken place between the prosecution and defense regarding a

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Speaker 11: plead Eric Fattis.

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Speaker 2: There may have been other reasons that the lawyers waived

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Speaker 2: a preliminary hearing. They may not have wanted him back

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Speaker 2: in court for more pictures, for more publicity, because hey,

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Speaker 2: looks like a kill in court.

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Speaker 1: He looks spoiled right now. I don't want to say.

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Speaker 2: That because the oppression he's giving in court is not

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Speaker 2: a good one. You know, the state has enough PC

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Speaker 2: probable cause to move forward, so why put it on

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Speaker 2: parade in open court?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, NaN's if that's a solid point.

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Speaker 11: You know, the community is already beginning to have an

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Speaker 11: impression of this defendant, and perhaps perhaps defense did not

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Speaker 11: want to further worsen that impression that everyone already has

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Speaker 11: of their client by by going to a probable cause

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Speaker 11: hearing and airing out all of these egregious, horrendous alleged

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Speaker 11: facts against Maxwell Anderson here. So perhaps that was the

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Speaker 11: strategy of waving the preliminary hearing.

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Speaker 2: As this case inches toward trial, we stop to remember

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Speaker 2: an American hero, Sergeant Alec Langan, just twenty three years old.

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Speaker 2: Alec Lingan dies in a helicopter crash with four other

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Speaker 2: Marines Feb six, twenty twenty four. Awarded the Navy and

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Speaker 2: Marine Corps Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and two

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Speaker 2: Sea Service Deployment Ribbons. He leaves behind grieving wife Casey

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Speaker 2: and parents Karen and Stephen. American hero Sergeant Alec lancoln

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Speaker 2: I want to thank all of our guests for being

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Speaker 2: with us tonight, but especially to you for being with.

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Speaker 1: Us tonight and every night.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,